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At forty-five minutes after midnight last night (Florida time), Ahmed Bedier, Executive Director of the Tampa, Florida chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, dropped by to comment on this Jihad Watch thread.
When it was brought to my attention I removed the comment, not because Mr. Bedier is not welcome to comment here -- he is most welcome to do so -- but because I was not sure it wasn't someone else posting under his name. However, the email address used is the one at his website, and the experts have assured me that TypeKey registration makes it extremely unlikely that anyone was counterfeiting his email address. (If, however, Ahmed Bedier does appear and asserts that he did not write this, I will remove it.)
Here is his comment:
Spence:Maybe you should consider taking your hate-fest workshops on the road and train bigots how to restrain their hatred so not to expose themselves.
Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society.
The majority of Americans do not respect bigots like yourself that spread hate daily. Including this letter writer, SEE: http://www.hernandotoday.com/letters/MGB3E2EJ4UE.html
It's entertaining watching you and your ineffective friends get desperate.
Remember to restrain yourself.
A few observations:
1. Note the fury, the contempt, the intent to demean, the will to hurt. This is an extremely common feature of the replies of Islamic apologists to those who discuss the elements of Islamic theology that are used to justify violence. But that's all there is. Glaringly absent from this comment by Mr. Bedier, as well as from every other critique of my work, is any substantial refutation of its accuracy. Mr. Bedier doesn't supply even one example of my alleged "hate speech" or "bigotry."
I suspect that he knows that such charges themselves, however baseless and silly they are, will be enough to turn away many people from the substance of what I say about Islam, jihad, Sharia, and CAIR itself. But he doesn't dare meet those things on an even intellectual playing field.
2. He says to me: "Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society." It's ironic that he cares enough about my views to make sure I know that, but I rather think that 30,000+ visitors per day to Jihad Watch, plus the readers of the two New York Times bestsellers that I have written (The Truth About Muhammad and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)), suggest that he is grasping at straws here, or presenting his wishes as reality.
"The lowest segment of our society" (or, as a commenter on the original thread suggested, "the vilest of creatures" -- Qur'an 98:6)? I am confident that Mr. Bedier has no demographic data on Jihad Watch readers. Here again he manifests the will to demean, and, by dismissing as "bigoted" those readers' legimate concerns about CAIR and its intentions, as well as larger concerns about jihad and Sharia supremacism, he is only reinforcing those concerns.
It would be interesting to see Mr. Bedier address the question of how CAIR's own disingenuousness and constant resistance of legitimate anti-terror efforts fuel suspicion toward the Muslim community -- which suspicion it then trumpets as "Islamophobia" in order to enhance that community's claim to privileged victim status, beyond criticism or reproach. But I won't be expecting anything. The unrestrained and rather desperate fury of his comment above, even as he charges me with desperation and lack of restraint, doesn't brighten my hopes for any intelligent discussion of important issues.
But if Mr. Bedier has a change of heart, he is welcome, right here on this comments thread, to answer these questions about CAIR that I formulated in 2003 -- when Ibrahim Hooper, again with characteristic grace and open-hearted honesty, hung up on me before I could pose them to him. Or Mr. Bedier can contact me, Bobby, at director@jihadwatch.org, here in my offices among the Lowest Segment of Society.
Posted by Robert at November 6, 2006 7:12 PM
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I suspect the anger is because Jihadwatch is all TOO effective.
It certainly opened my eyes, and I regularly recommend it to those worried about Islam and the threat it poses.
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at November 6, 2006 8:00 PM
I am honoured to be considered the lowest segment of society by this man.
Well answered, Robert.
Posted by: Lili at November 6, 2006 8:01 PM
Bobby,( ouch, I'm sure that hurt) the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society.
I am from the "lowest segment of society" sez a CAIR critter. Heh heh, thanks.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 6, 2006 8:05 PM
Oh, and how is that lawsuit against Anti-CAIR coming, Mr. Bedier? Oh, that's right, your organization BACKED DOWN rather then have the legal system rattle the skeletons in your Islamofacist closet.
Posted by: treehugger at November 6, 2006 8:05 PM
Ha!
I visit this site EVERYDAY. By the time I finished reading this post, there were 4 comments. By the time I finish writing this there will be more.
Posted by: Agrippa at November 6, 2006 8:09 PM
Opps late night drunken posting!
Posted by: KAOSKTRL at November 6, 2006 8:11 PM
Ackmed is here in Tampa? Wow and we never met. I post here often although I would never say anything hateful or hurtful about islam. Come to think of it, I did see some insults from a few regulars, naseem, shia and king tolerance come to mind but I think they meant it all in a good way. They did attempt to portray “true islam.” A few others stop by every once in a while spewing worlds of hate, something about world domination and worshiping pedophiles. To tell the truth I usually skip over their stuff cuz it hurts my feelings. I thought enough about islam I ordered trinkets to show my approval, my mohammed bobblehead arrived last week, it is real nice. If you see it in the window of my truck flag me down, we could do lunch. I eat pulled pork sandwhiches every Friday afternoon, you are welcome to join me. That’s part of the problem with this world, people don’t spend enough time getting to know each other. If Friday will not work for you, I am free Sunday, we could go to Church together, a nice southern Babtist or a Penacolstal both I am told welcome non-believers and are easier to find than Moonies. Your friend Ronin.
Posted by: Ronin at November 6, 2006 8:12 PM
I suppose we are a thorn in his side, then. Good work boys! Well done Bobby, (hehehe), give em hell!
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 6, 2006 8:12 PM
Mr. Spencer - You have opened my eyes as well, and your clearinghouse continues to provide valuable information aboud jihad and jihadists that is not easily obtainable elsewhere. I may not be able to refute the accusation that I belong to the "lowest segment of our society", but I am a police veteran (25 years), former U.S. Army (enlisted), business owner, holder of 3 advanced degrees and an adjunct faculty member at a university Mr. Bedier probably has heard of. I also firmly believe that I can kick his @ss. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: MP at November 6, 2006 8:13 PM
Robert:
Wow! It looks like I'm among the first on this thread to say I'm honored to belong to the select club of the "lowest segment" of our society that reads JW with immense intellectual and moral profit.
I'm amused to see that, despite his strained effort at being colloquial in oreder to demean you ("Spence," "Bobby") Mr. Bedier can't help writing like a bureaucratic hack: "lowest segment."
What a "segment" ideed, with brilliant though different people and voice such as....
But we all know them, don't we?
Hey, Segment Brothers and Sisters, the guy is the king of lack of self-reflection and transference. Talk about getting "desperate"!
Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 6, 2006 8:16 PM
Waaaaaaaaa! Poor whiny CAIR is all upset-again.
Time to change Bedier's diaper.
I know one thing-I'm glad I'm a "nobody" who likes this "nothing" site and enjoys reading all that "nothing" that "nobodies" put up here. Bedier probably does too, only he won't dare admit it. The truth always hurts, just like Bedier's diaper rash.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 6, 2006 8:18 PM
Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society
I'm not sure that I am in the society he refers to; but at least in the social circles that I travel I do manager to garner a level of respectability.
I assure you "Bobby," that your message is reaching well placed individuals who CARE about your views and are enlightened by them.
Moreover, which "hate" speech does he have in mind?
By the way, who cares what Mr. Bedier thinks anyway? I don't.
Posted by: witness at November 6, 2006 8:18 PM
Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society..
Which "our society" would that be? The "Khilaphat of America" under "One allah" with "Sharia for all"?
Posted by: Alert at November 6, 2006 8:19 PM
As a secular conservative... wake me up when the Crusades start in earnest. Coming soon to a far distant theater near you.
Richard of Morgan Hill
Posted by: rdharper at November 6, 2006 8:24 PM
CAIR is toast. Nay, a smoking little remainder of charcoal in the bottom of the stove.
Emerson fried them so badly on Fox laugh last night I was reduced to peals of laughter so profound my side ached for an hour.
Actually, for Mr. Bedier's edification (and dear Lord does he need some edification) JihadWatch is the most often accessed site when people are requesting information on radical Islam ... a crown recently obtained from Dr. Daniel Pipes, its previous owner, and close runner-up.
It's a very indication that somebody's getting under Mr. Bedier's skin that he takes after our "Bobby" the way he has.
Well, don't worry, Bobby, nobody here is fooled, and ever day, out there, fewer and fewer Muslims are fooled into thinking they have to listen to these terrorist creeps -- or put up with their claims that they represent them.
They do not. They represent HAMAS, Al Qaeda, the Paintball Jihad group, Alamoudi, Sami al-Arian, the Holy Land Foundation, Account 98, Al Taqwa, WAMY, Hizbollah, Al Aqsa and all the rest.
And Americans are getting better and better information about CAIR.
And BTW, Bedier must be having a fit that the little bow-tie guy actually forced Ibrahim Hooper to say there should be death penalty for apostasy. And old Ibrahim looked as if he'd swallowed a large camel after he had to say it.
They are crackling everywhere, shriveling, and incessantly being caught in lies, deceptions, and the defense of criminals and murderers.
Bedier, go )(*^&(*& .
Nothing but love for you, Beddy ... [If you're going to call him Bobby, we'll just call you Beddy).
Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at November 6, 2006 8:27 PM
The people who visit here write letters, tell friends, note the relationship between muslim misdeed and traditional muslim beliefs.
Not sure who will win. Am sure who should.
Posted by: StillBreathing at November 6, 2006 8:31 PM
Ronin
Always woderful to read your posts, my friend. When I wrote my prevoius post, I did count you among the "lowest segment" that brighten up this site with fresh insights and stories and quirky--but oh, so expressive and witty--language.
It's a real pleasure to be in the same "segment" with you.
Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 6, 2006 8:31 PM
"Bobby"?
How presumptuous of him!!! What poor manners!!
Hey Bedier: It's MR Spencer to people like you!!
Posted by: Gramfan at November 6, 2006 8:32 PM
Ronin
Always wonderful to read your posts, my friend. When I wrote my previous post, I did count you among the "lowest segment" that brighten up this site with fresh insights and stories and quirky--but oh, so expressive and witty--language.
It's a real pleasure to be in the same "segment" with you.
Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 6, 2006 8:32 PM
Robert, here I am reader from Indonesia.... I visit and read JW articles everyday to start my working day. Keep up the good work Mr. Spencer...
Shallom from Indonesia... a Christian and Israel supporter
Posted by: asian crusader at November 6, 2006 8:33 PM
I also visit daily. Just picked up the new book too - and it was properly shelved at the bookstore!
I enjoy the posts about the angry feedback. These guys come up with really clever 5th grade nicknames for the contributors to the blog: "Huge" Fitzgerald and "Bobby Spence" - brilliant stuff. sheesh!
Posted by: Jan Sobieski at November 6, 2006 8:36 PM
The irony is that IF we were members of the lowest segments of society, islam would be dead already in the west. If we were the lowest segment, we would be the violent criminals, like the Mafia, the Hell's Angels, the drug lords, guys like mr bedier would be dead, his mosques burned to the ground, and his people run out of town, in fear. People like that act on their hatreds. They kill without remorse. And they have a pathological need for revenge. Just like muslims. The lowest segment of our society.
I regret that we here at jihadwatch are not part of that community. Perhaps we all need to lower ourselves. Indeed, I have urged that very thing on this forum. Others have as well. I don't believe in taking the high road. We are too good for our own good. Too non-violent, too respectful of our nation's laws.
What we really need is to start recruiting the lowest segment of society.
I have always wondered what would have happen to bin laden and his CAIR friends in America if John Gotti was still alive and heading up the Gambino crime family, and his grandkids, the pukes, were killed on 9/11. I don't have to remind you of what happened to poor John Favara who was driving the car in front of which Frank Gotti rode his dirtbike.
I can bet mr bedier would be hiding on the moon and the CAIR officials would have ended up in the Hudson river, in an auto wrecker compactor, or buried somewhere off the Jersey turnpike.
That would be your fate mr bedier if you really did run afoul of the lowest segment of American society.
Pray to allah that does not happen.
Compared to those guys, we are your friends.
Posted by: August22 at November 6, 2006 8:36 PM
Bobby, keep up the good work
I'm honored to be a part of "the lowest segment of our society"
Posted by: charles martel at November 6, 2006 8:37 PM
I felt much better when that Fox News / Opinion Dynamics poll came out that found that some 70% of Americans foresee a future world-wide conflict against Islam. They probably got their information from CAIR.
Keep up the good work Dr. Bobby.
Posted by: limes at November 6, 2006 8:39 PM
He was probably drunk when he wrote what he did.
Posted by: Ernie Banks at November 6, 2006 8:42 PM
In the battle of ideas Robert is a semester ahead of the best of us, and whole university course ahead of the Cairbots.
Posted by: Brett_McS at November 6, 2006 8:44 PM
The greatest fear of the Jihadis has to be the rousing of the West. Their whole game plan is based on our complacence and our fat-headed belief that "it can't happen here."
It is said that "All those that doeth evil hateth the light." If you've got CAIR reaching for its sunglasses, you're doing good work.
at November 6, 2006 8:47 PM
I would agree with the explanation of possible drunkenness but knowing CAIR it really wouldn’t be necessary.... and I thought they didn't even allow alcohol in their taxis?
Posted by: charles martel at November 6, 2006 8:49 PM
Wow first Al Queda's cheif flunky white boy offers to convert you to islam and now CAIRY wants to demean you ?
I guess the offer to convert is now closed ?
But I think you can still offer to those in Islam the chance to leave their religeon and its hatrid behind.
Posted by: Bill A at November 6, 2006 8:52 PM
"What we really need is to start recruiting the lowest segment of society. "
Violence from our side is exactly what we DON'T need. That would be sinking to the islamist level and would lose the support of the majority.
For a start, we need good, properly enforced, laws limiting immigration to people who support western rights and freedoms, ensuring freedom of expression, and deporting/imprisoning people who use violent threats to shut others up.
And we need more and more well-informed people out there. Good to know how well-visited this site, and Little Green Footballs, actually are.
Posted by: Lili at November 6, 2006 8:53 PM
I didn't realize that RS had covered this story yesterday.
In checking out various relevant links last night, I noted the following typical BS statement by Ms. Jordan of Republican Party of Florida in response to Mrs. Hogan's letter:
""Yes, our nation is at war with a group of individuals who twisted the Islamic faith for their own horrific purposes," Jordan said in a written statement.""
Those who say that never cite which aspects of Islamic teachings have been so twisted.
So, I sent her a polite letter asking, among other things, 'Who knows more about Islam. You or Usama bin Laden?'
Mr. and Mrs. Hogan may have been unwise in their choice of words, but Ms. Jordan is simply clueless.
That's a serious problem.
Posted by: PRCS at November 6, 2006 8:56 PM
I would like to say that I too will never read this blog, everyday, around 4pm when I get home from work, right after I don't read Little Green Footballs. Glen and I at Total Kaos on wideawakesradio.com are ever politically correct. That's why I think if we breed Islamofascists with the French, we'll create terrorists too lazy to terrorize anyone....if I offended anyone, sorry...not really...
Posted by: Total Kaos Dave at November 6, 2006 8:58 PM
Dear Mr. Spencer,
people like this CAIR schill make me sick. Why dosen't he come out and condemn the sick and brutal acts of violence that are carried out by members of the religion of peace everyday? Maybe this guy should move back to Saudi Arabia or Crapistan. Why are they so silent on the beheading deaths like that little girl in malasia who had her head cut off her shoulders? Like friggin hell noone reads or cares what is posted on this site. I am not a bigot for opening my eyes and seeing the truth about islam. Why is it that it is only muslim men that commit these attrocites, beat their wives, gang rape women, call us infidels, blow up our buildings/aircraft, break into NFL stadiums with explosive residue in their SUV, issue death threats, spew anti-US/ anti-israel all day?
I will consider CAIR to be nothing more than a front group for islamofacism utill i hear those Ass-oles condemn the actions of their fellow brothers in the worl'd most intolerant religion.
god bless you Mr.Spencer, you are a true patriot and are willing to risk your own saftey to get these facts out here in brainwashed/lefty media world. It will take sites like this to kick those dirty bums in CAIR out of this country and send them back to their Saudi masters.
mikey sinclair
Posted by: infidel13 at November 6, 2006 8:59 PM
It's a real pleasure to be in the same "segment" with you.
Posted by: ovidius_naso
I feel honored to be in such great company. I do reserve the right to attempt to get even lower if it bothers ackmed bedwetter that much. My pop told me once “boy you ain’t better than no one but you ain’t beneath them ether”. Pop was a poet and I don’t think he would approve of someone claiming his little boy was the lowest segment of our society. I think he confused me with some of my kin. At least I am in good company. I’m going to grab a beer and see if I can work through just why that man hates us so much, I mean didn’t we supply him with a job, an education and turn our backs while he abused his women or allowed others of his religion to do so? Jeeez you can’t please some people.
at November 6, 2006 8:59 PM
Yo Bobby! You rock!!!
It's pretty obvious that Beddy's gotten his panties in a wad because you ARE so effective. Otherwise, why would he bother to contact you?
Like I've said before, patient, continuous, relentless application of the facts. These guys can't stand it and they can't deal with truth because it uncovers their real agenda. Think about it...they HAVE to go beserk as we continuously pull back the covers, overturn rocks, shine the light, and expose, expose, expose them for what they are.
I'm also happy to be in such an illustrious group of bottom dwellers and bottom feeders! Even though we don't always agree, the thoughtful & articulate posts, clever retorts, wicked humor and merciful compassion for those here who've been through a lot prove that Beddy is indulging in wishful thinking, has been sucking on sour grapes a long time and probably wishes that he hadn't worked so hard to turn his "peoples" into such a bunch of brainwashed, brain-dead, hate spewing, murdering, gang-raping automatons because now he's got no one to talk to.
I think he longs to be able to converse with you, Robert, but his ideology and pride won't let him.
Come on Beddy, come towards the light.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 6, 2006 9:02 PM
Ms. Jordan of Republican Party of Florida
And that is a Republican. Which makes my point. When even the conservatives are dhimmis, what hope does America have?
Lili, we have no support in the general public. And that support is not what we need in any case. Like I said, Robert could sell 10 million copies of his books, and nothing would change in our laws.
We need the power. The power comes from the government, and no government will ever listen to, or act on our message. The next best thing would be to fight evil with evil. We can not take the high road. The high road is what the west has taken for 50 years, and look what the result has been. Disaster.
Posted by: August22 at November 6, 2006 9:02 PM
WE WILL NOT BOW DOWN TO THREATS, INTIMIDATION, CAIR, or ALLAH. Get the f--k out of my country CAIR and all those people who want to do our country harm. We are not blind, we are not stupid, we know what goes on in the backrooms of mosques. We know that the mosque system is like having forts in enemy territory. Stop hiding behind your selfish, deranged, 7th century religion and show us who you really are CAIR.
Posted by: infidel13 at November 6, 2006 9:04 PM
I, too, am proud to be considered of the lowest segment of society, if that means situating myself amongst those who read and post here, those who C-A-R-E about what is happening in the world and who are willing to recognize the root cause of so many troubling world events (hint: g-l-o-b-a-l j-i-h-a-d)
On to more important issues...as regards tomorrow's election, here is a nice breakdown by Caroline Glick of Gabriel Schoenfeld's article "Dual Loyalty and the `Israel Lobby'" from the new issue of "Commentary" magazine:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378339651&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
For those of you voting in congressional elections, please take heed!
Posted by: Dum Dhimmi Dum Dum Dum at November 6, 2006 9:07 PM
We need the power. The power comes from the government, and no government will ever listen to, or act on our message. The next best thing would be to fight evil with evil. We can not take the high road. The high road is what the west has taken for 50 years, and look what the result has been. Disaster.
Posted by: August22
I think many of our young up and coming military leadership know the deal and will step up. Some have completed time in the box and soon become leaders in politics. Try and argue PC dhimmi crap with them cair.
at November 6, 2006 9:07 PM
Well said, Bobby Spence!
One day CAIR and their friends will be defeated and we will be celebrating.
Posted by: XY at November 6, 2006 9:17 PM
Robert:
Someone needs to tell Mr.Bedier that your articles are seen by thousands, possibly millions of people daily.
I have a large email list and on several groups online. Also in a major mic and text chat room and thousands know your name, your books and all your articles.
You are well known and so is CAIR!
Intelligence groups are writing about CAIR! Writers, Journalists are writing about CAIR and its not complimentary articles! They are exposing CAIR for what they are!
CAIR is known from America to Uk, all around the world. To Australia, CAnada and beyond. I even have email friends who receive your articles in South America!
Mr. Bedier must know by now that the American People as well as Canadians, Australians and the UK Infidels all know their modus operandi!
CAIR is well known worldwide, not just in Canada and America for its love of supporting terrorism, its modus operandi of changing America to Islam!.
The word has been out for some time! There are hundreds of articles daily about the evil of CAIR
circulating the web!
He is angry and nervous because no one, not even the White House wants them around any longer.
They are finished! Its only a matter of time that CAIR will be closed down by the Treasury and the State Dept! We will all celebrate that date!
Twice CAIR refused to be on Foxnews! Whats a matter Bedier the heat is getting to hot for you?
at November 6, 2006 9:21 PM
Count me in as one of the members of the lowest segments of society. I've been researching the history of Islam for several years and both of your books, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, and The Truth about Muhammad are excellent guides to Islam. No wonder CAIR wants to shut you up.
Posted by: sandeman at November 6, 2006 9:22 PM
Mr. Bedier: Your frothing fury is sad and pathetic. You are apparently incapable of rational discourse, and your hit-and-run attack (refusing to "stick around" and answer Mr. Spencer's simple and sober questions) are typical of the overheated blather that spews forth from CAIR.
I'll take you seriously when you actually answer a few of Mr. Spencer's questions. In the meantime, you are nothing more than an infantile whiner.
at November 6, 2006 9:26 PM
Richard of Morgan Hill,
You might appreciate:
http://amillennialist.blogspot.com/2006/10/little-historical-irony.html
and
http://amillennialist.blogspot.com/2006/10/variant-on-decidedly-tragic-historical.html
Regards,
Amillennialist
Posted by: Amillennialist at November 6, 2006 9:27 PM
Mr. Spencer,
God Bless you for your energy and honesty to truth. I am a 40 year old male who has just returned to college (online) after 20 years to work on a counseling degree and one of the required courses is humanities which our first timeline of study happens to be 500 to 1500.
Needless to say the history of Islam is covered and let me tell you, in this class and text at least, it is viewed with rose colored glasses.
Furtunately I found you book online and orded it so I may have more than one opinion and discovered you website in the process and all I can say is those who seek the truth shall find it!!!
Keep up the good work,
Chris P.
at November 6, 2006 9:28 PM
I am proud to be considered of the lowest segment of society by such as this cair person, simply by being one of the 30+ thousand per day coming by to read the true words of Mr. Spencer and the thoughtful comments left in threads like this one. I tell ten friends...
at November 6, 2006 9:28 PM
Don't listen to the CAIR people. It really is OK to despise those who would destroy our country and our way of life. CAIR and American Muslims are not victims, rather they are a menace for not speaking out against jihad.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." - CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, July 1998
Thank you Robert for making everyone who visits JW more Islamocognizant.
Posted by: Kreuzueber Halbmond at November 6, 2006 9:28 PM
Hey ANDY (short for Ahmed, more or less)--
Know what? I had never even *heard* of Jihad Watch until you wrote your moronic letter to Robert Spencer and it showed up on Little Green Footballs. Thanks to you, I am now a FAN of Jihad Watch and will check back here often. You pathetic dumbass...
at November 6, 2006 9:29 PM
Muslims always speak opposite of what they mean, so I will take Beddy's comments to Bobby as rather sloppy attempt at a seduction. Beddy, is trying to stay in the closet but it isn't working. The statement about "the lowest segment of society", in fact all of the accusations were self-projections. You see, Beddy knows he is from the lowest segment of society. He can't tolerate Bobby's towering status in the intellectual community so he has to attack Bobby, devalue him so he, Beddy can feel better. Beddy, Bobby and his faithful readers understand this about you. It's ok. Just try not to be so transparent and be thankful Bobby doesn't intellectually battle with unarmed opponents.
Praise be to Bobby
Bobbyhu akbar!
Bobby Rasul!
at November 6, 2006 9:29 PM
I think the problem for CAIR and other RoP apologists is finally word is getting out about what islam really is. They are beginning to see that simply calling someone a racist or a bigot is invalid if not supported by facts. The truth about this violent, implacable 'religion' is finally getting out. And he should not think for one minute that people aren't reading jihadwatch.org and other sites in addition to other books and print media. Sorry CAIR, the proverbial cat is out of the bag.
Posted by: riversxing at November 6, 2006 9:30 PM
I have often thought about starting my own blog, because this one has enough sense to censor my more elegantly spoken comments. In the end I remember what brought me here was because they do censor comments that are inappropriate. cair only has one issue with JW/DW “the truth hurts”. Islam spread faster than the warnings of islams approach, those days are over. Global reach, baby, thank God! Al Gore invented the net (sorry I was on a roll and got carried away).
Posted by: Ronin at November 6, 2006 9:30 PM
Did it ever occur to Mr. Bedier to think that the people who read Jihad Watch are some of the most well-educated, well-informed people around? Who else would care to inform themselves about a foreign religion and culture? People who aren't interested in reading, thinking or learning do not come to Jihad Watch. For example, do you know how much effort it takes the average infidel to read the Qur'an? Despite what Muslim apologists say, the Qur'an is one of the most poorly written, incoherent pieces of literature that I have ever read. Consequently, for an infidel to actually read the Qur'an is a major effort of will. Therefore, only the most curious, motivated individuals manage to study Islam. Most infidels are completely uninterested in any religion except their own. Unfortunately for Mr. Bedier, it is the infidel intelligentsia who are reading Jihad Watch.
Mr. Bedier's ignorant and barbaric comments mirror the world of his co-religionists. As the 2002 Arab Human Development Report stated,the entire Arab world translates 330 books annually which is one-fifth the number that Greece alone translates. With regard to scientific enquiry, things are even worse:
http://www.meforum.org/article/513
"Science and technology output is quantifiable and measurable in terms of the number of scientific papers per unit of population. The average output of the Arab world per million inhabitants is roughly 2 per cent of that of an industrialized country. While Arab scientific output more than doubled from 11 papers per million in 1985 to 26 papers per million in 1995, China's output increased eleven-fold from one paper per million inhabitants in 1981 to 11 papers per million in 1995. The Republic of Korea increased its output from 6 to 144 papers per million inhabitants over the same period. India's output, by contrast, barely changed over the period 1981-1995: its output increased from 17 publications per million inhabitants in 1981 to 19 per million in 1995."
In short, because Islam discourages thinking and intellectual enquiry, Muslims are some of the most ignorant and illiterate people on the planet.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr. Bedier!
at November 6, 2006 9:31 PM
I left the following at Bedier's site:
I see that Ms. Bedier has taken time from his busy schedule of apologizing for terrorists and promoting islamic supremacy to post a threatening and dishonest message to one of america's finest citizens, Bobby Spencer of Jihad Watch( www.jihadwatch.org ). Bobby's lifetime of study has left him with an intimate knowledge of islamic scriptures, culture, history and people. Ms. Bedier's knowledge cannot possibly compare, or he would openly and freely debate Mr. Spencer in a neutral forum, or at least answer a few reasonable questions posed by Bobby. This Ms. Bedier has failed to do.
Mr. Spencer's two best-selling books, his website and the invaluable insight into Islam he has shared with the world has earned him the appreciation and respect of millions of free people concerned with the extreme hatred and aggressiveness of radical Islam. Just as importantly, he has earned the trust of millions like me, as he is willing to engage you or any other islamist in debate. You, Ms. Bedier, seem to be limited thus far to leaving nasty, late-night posts on his website.
Congratulations, you appear to have all the courage of the Hamas "warriors" who call for their women and children to come and provide cover for them to escape the battles they themselves have instigated. Your parents must be very proud of you.
Sincerely,
Posted by: eagles5 at November 6, 2006 9:33 PM
fanblo**dytastic...
This is the kind of entertainment that stops this whole depressing jihad thing depressing me.
I like his link to the lovely dhimmi letter from Joanne Schoch (executive director of the Humane Society of the Nature Coast is my thinking) that was published.
It has the usual bad parallels (Irish terrorism) and the taking of the criticism of a faith as saying all its adherents should be hated....
Oh and I nearly forgot the usual hypocrisy of such people of making it personal: "I accuse them of being hateful and hateful is wrong but I hate them” (implying she is the sort of stupid person that can’t hate a philosophy without hating those who believe it and assumes we are all from her low segment of society)
But the best bit is her actions do not match her words:
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/31/Citrus/Spring_Hill_residents.shtml
She doesn't let ANYONE adopt her animal shelter's cats in the run up to holloween incase they get killed.
She can't distinguish the difference between a good American and a bad American so no one gets to adopt a cat - especially a black cat - before halloween "for fear of them being killed"!
She lets her fear of a minority of cat killers stop everyone getting cats.
Yet she has no fear of the minority of moslem terrorists.
If her job is to adopt out cats and she can't tell who will be a good owner, how does she know there are good moslems in Hernando????????
How????
Posted by: exposesithlords
at November 6, 2006 9:33 PM
Ahmed Bedier has convinced me. I will now stop reading Jihad Watch and convert to Islam.
Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at November 6, 2006 9:34 PM
Oh come on now Ahmed! You know even Osama & Co. has called out Bobby. I mean you can't get more famous than that. If Bobby was such loser and no one cared then why does Osama care. In fact you seem to care about Bobby too. I mean if all of us are losers then why debase yourself with us. Maybe deep down you really want to debate Bobby but you are scared. Come on now Ahmed your a muslim dam it. Debate Bobby! Come on he is just a non-muslim and lacks the wisdom I am sure you could bring to the issue. If you don't Ahmed how could you be a TRUE muslim if you are so scared of Bobby the Christian. Shame Ahmed! Big Mo will not be pleased!
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 6, 2006 9:35 PM
lol @ Ahmed Bedier for getting PWN3D by Robert Spencer. By the way, Jihad Watch RULES! :) I have yet to find a more politically incorrect site. And I love political incorrectness--because to me, it's about honesty.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 6, 2006 9:35 PM
Ahmed you are acting like a woman.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 6, 2006 9:37 PM
I think Mr. Bedier is afraid he's on the losing team.
He and his co-horts can't scurry around when people have their eyes open and are aware of what's going on. And, we ARE aware.
Go bang your head on the ground.
Posted by: freewoman at November 6, 2006 9:38 PM
How come "Bobby" gets all the fatwas, and I don't get anything?
It's dispiriting, I tell ya. Dispiriting. And I've tried so hard for years and years. Maybe CAIR should drop by my site and see what kind of response they get.
Then again, perhaps they already have.
at November 6, 2006 9:38 PM
cut ackmed some slack he was up late crying into his beer because his beloved saddam is doomed. The beer went to his head and he came here to post, we have all done it (it might just be me but some of you make me wonder)anyway, he is sorry and will shortly say so in person (don't hold your breath).
Posted by: Ronin at November 6, 2006 9:41 PM
Oh and I forgot, if Ahmed Bedier thinks the readers of Jihad Watch are the "lowest segment of our society" then perhaps he should consider this:
“It is honourable to be accused by those who deserve to be accused.”
Latin Proverb
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 6, 2006 9:41 PM
I believe this statement was from a founding CAIR member.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." (stated at Islamic conference held in Freemont, California, July of 1998)
Ahmed Bedier simply wants to fulfill that dream. Ahmed Bedier seems to be making the rounds of many blogs insulting anyone that opposess that dream. He never tries to discredit what the blogger is saying but only insults the person not the content ... that all he's got!
at November 6, 2006 9:42 PM
Robert,
I think you're being a little over sensitive to this cheap con-man's words of desperation in his attempt to demean you. You're a best selling author and he's a nobody with friends like Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. My day wouldn't be complete without my numerous daily visits to Jihad Watch to find out what's happening in regards to the spread of Islamic terrorism. Your site is growing by leaps and bounds and when Judgment Day comes, I'm certain God will look upon you favorably in your efforts to awaken the world to this cult of death. Jihad Watch is my little place of sanctuary of like minded thinkers. I think very highly of you and most of the bright commenters here.
God Bless!
Warm regards,
Bonnie
at November 6, 2006 9:43 PM
I wonder how many hits the CAIR site gets?
completely off topic - but funny:
This was not reported by any newsagency, my wife spoke to somebody who there.
A famous Brazilian singer did a concert in Shillong, India, a few days ago. It went down OK but then he started shouting anti-US comments at the end, which he probably did in South America all the time - but Shillong aint South America.
The crowd thought he was some kind of Muslim, so they started booing and throwing bottles. He had to be rescued from the stage and leave town at once.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5036766.stm
Posted by: Timbo
at November 6, 2006 9:44 PM
I just went to the CAIR homepage. The word "Jihad" was not to found. There's no 500 pound gorilla in their living room.
What's that smell?
Posted by: USBeast at November 6, 2006 9:44 PM
Will somone please burp baby Bedier already?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 6, 2006 9:47 PM
Ahmed! Debate Bobby or put on your Burka!
at November 6, 2006 9:49 PM
I just went to the CAIR homepage. The word "Jihad" was not to be found. There's no 500 pound gorilla in their living room.
What's that smell?
Posted by: USBeast at November 6, 2006 9:52 PM
Mr. Spencer:
Just wanted you to know I read this site every day. Have learned a lot and think you are doing great work. Telling the truth in this world isn't easy anymore.
Thank you...
suz
at November 6, 2006 9:55 PM
Mr. Bedier:
Since you obviously read JihadWatch like tens of thousands of other people I will address you directly.
I don't like the comment "Lowest Segment." It smacks of an elitism that is un-American.
However, so you know, I have two degrees (one of them Ivy) and more importantly I had a very positive-neutral concept of Islam before adherents of your religion flew airplanes into two buildings in my home city, claiming to do so in the name of your religion.
Then I went on a quest of my own to find out more about Islamand like Mr. Spencer, I read from Islamic sources.
I came to the conclusion that the Sharia is exatly what our founders were fighting against, a tyranny, a dampening of thspark of enlighenmet.
You are welome to ignore me, to banish me to the corner of your mind. Or, understand that there are a gowing number of us who both hate bigotry and see your creed not Spencer or his, as such.
Posted by: tokyobk at November 6, 2006 9:56 PM
I find calling someone by a familiarized variation of their formal name without agreement insulting and pretentious and condescending.
It is the wrong way to start off a discussion. Apparently he just wanted to insult and run. Just as well. It only proves the points made here and many other sites how Muslims, when confronted with historic facts, tend to belittle the pesky infidel.
Posted by: John Sobieski at November 6, 2006 9:57 PM
I just want Ahmed Bedier to know that I AM A GENIUS, MY IQ MEASURES SOMEHWERE AROUND 5450, AND I LOVE JIHAD WATCH.
lol
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 6, 2006 9:59 PM
You are right. That little fellow from CAIR has no idea who we are that make up your readership. I would not fit any stereotypical profile that I feel he has in mind.
Posted by: norman at November 6, 2006 9:59 PM
The number of regular visitors to JW -- which one might define as someone who comes to read daily, as some do, or some prefer to scoop up whatever there is every other day, or twice a week -- in which case that figure of 30,000 plus readers could be, say, 100,000 a week -- that is, larger or equal to the subscriptions of, say, The New Republic or National Review -- is only a very small part of the story.
Many articles and news items that are put up here come to the attention of others who then send them out, sometimes to a large list of recipients. Many of the articles are put up at other websites. Some are translated, with or without the knowledge of the writers, and later one finds that they have appeared on Spanish, German, French, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese, or even Indonesian websites.
Take an article or two from the list in the bar above. Google and then see how many times that article has appeared at other websites. You have no way of knowing how many people have been sent such an article by email, or have had it printed out for them. But there is reason to believe that the influence of the site -- is much greater than the figure of 30,000 plus visitors -- which tells us nothing about the frequency of the subseuqnet dissemination of material -- would have some believe.
It would be unwise to go into all of the evidence for this assertion; your own googling, your own anecdotal evidence, may or may not confirm this obsrevation. And there is no need to give others, not necessarily well-disposed, any more information on this score.
Posted by: Hugh at November 6, 2006 10:01 PM
Robert,
I'm honored to be a part of "the lowest segment of our society"
You are punching their buttons. I heard you on my local station last Wednesday or Thursday. I have you on the pod cast from the station. I think it is another way to get the word out like HOT AIR.
Ahmed is like a lot of Arab weasels. They would rather do a "drive by" because he's too chicken to do it any other way. What the heck, my dog would snatch him just like any of the Possums he brings in.
I've worked hard all of my life. I think that this is a great country. I've served in the Air Force as a sergeant. (It was kind of like the Military) I have attained couple of degrees, and can throw in a MBA on top of them. I have retired once and am now doing a second career. I'm in good enough shape to kick Ahmed's A$$ any day!
I'm so proud to be part of the "lowest segment of our society"
The Ahmed's of this world represent scum. They are breathing because we let them. It won't be very long before we will be cutting off the oxygen to them.
You are doing the right thing. Oppose these people with the truth. It is the best weapon of all. Americans recognize it. Political correctness is about lying. It's not correct and everyone knows it.
Posted by: credit man at November 6, 2006 10:02 PM
Actually, Beddy's biggest fear is that we are a group of intellectuals that can think and thereby formulate and perfect a plan to defeat Islamic dominance in our world. Then he'll have to either convert to sanity and get himself one wife, 2.1 kids, the family dog and a house with a picket fence and a thirty year mortgage, OR, he'll have to go back to living in the desert with the camels.
Oh dear, WWMD? (What would Mohammad do?)
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 6, 2006 10:06 PM
Ahmed this is not impressing me. How the hell am I am going to be a good Dhimmi if you can't debate Bobby? I expected a strong muslim to show Bobby his place and instead I read this...
"Maybe you should consider taking your hate-fest workshops on the road and train bigots how to restrain their hatred so not to expose themselves."
Man the left wing is really rubbing off on you. Maybe the left will just suck all the manhood out muslim men just as they have done to western men and as it appears to have happened to Ahmed. Maybe we in the west are going to win this thing after all. What happened to Islamic pride and all that?
Robert when are these hate-fest workshops held? Will you train us bigots how to jump between flaming hoops like Osama and his boys do in his videos?
at November 6, 2006 10:07 PM
asian crusader
Thanks from a member of the "segment" that unites us all.
Posted by: ovidius_naso at November 6, 2006 10:10 PM
Total Kaos Dave,
Breeding Islamofascists with the French might be a good idea, indeed. Then the French can teach those poor excuses for men how to, and what it means to, make love to a woman.
The definition of foreplay in Islam: Aisha, brace yourself!
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 6, 2006 10:13 PM
Ahmed says..
"restrain their hatred so not to expose themselves"
Maybe he should talk to the Mutfi al-Hilali! Muslim men seem to have a real problem with this down under. Meow!
Oh the irony!
at November 6, 2006 10:15 PM
And just where does Ahmed Bedier get the idea that he is a member of "our society".
Just using up space and air does not qualify. If he places any law above the Constitution of the United States he is an unwelcome guest.
Posted by: USBeast at November 6, 2006 10:16 PM
Hey "Bobbie"- don't let small minds like his get to ya- fact is, your site IS making a difference and he's scared- plain and simple. He's attempting to use intimidation techniques by belittling you- People do that when they're in the wrong and don't have a valid argument to present- Just look at the how the dems have responded to valid arguments with the Republicans this year (heck, any year for that) All it amounts to basically are the dems saying "You're a big poopie face" Gradeschool bickering.
Christian news and commentary at: sacredscoop.com ...
Posted by: CottShop at November 6, 2006 10:16 PM
Here is an interesting frontpagemag.com article about another upstanding member of CAIR:
"Kicking a CAIR Extremist Off the Human Relations Commission"
Posted by: Josephine at November 6, 2006 10:18 PM
Ahmed Bedier you are not worth the price of my dog's food! take your cult of death back to cesspoolstan.
you cannot debate Mr.Spencer on any issues concerning your cult of death "islam" and so you attack the readership of this website. for your information many of us are proffesionals, have college, univ. degrees, all are hard working people busy raising their families. after nine eleven many started to question islam and many like myself have learned from people like Mr.Spencer. We are seekers of truth, and do not trust govenments to keep us safe, and will take this battle right to you. so be careful, do no tread on us with impunity.
at November 6, 2006 10:23 PM
That's telling him Bobby...er....I mean Spence.
Posted by: Cornelius at November 6, 2006 10:26 PM
Oh, yooooo hoooo!
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
at November 6, 2006 10:28 PM
Ahmed Bedier said:
"...the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society."
Ahhhh...THAT would make us "apes and pigs," that are often spoken of by Islamists to talk down upon anyone who dares speak in anything other than glowing praise of it and its "prophet." Or can you get LOWER than "apes and pigs?"
The lowest of the low..."subhumans," "worms," "monkeys," whatever you wish to call us, it does more to describe the sort of person who says such words to dehumanize and disrespect than it does when such words are spoken in reference to others. Only evil resorts to this method of responding to the truth.
Yes, I know that he didn't actually call us "apes and pigs," but what else are we if we're "the lowest?"
at November 6, 2006 10:29 PM
I always enjoy visiting your site and learning about the ROP and what CAIR and their minions are up to. You do a great job of shining light into the dark corners if Islam. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: InfidelInTheRockies at November 6, 2006 10:31 PM
Mr. Spencer,
I just received my copy of 'The Truth about Muhammad' from Amazon.com.
I'm looking forward to reading it!
Mr. Bedier,
I'm not sorry to say more and more people are waking up to the truth of ISLAM and it's followers.
If that makes me a bigot, so be it..since it's ok for Muslims to be bigots, you people are against everyone and everything! Talk about pot calling kettle black.
at November 6, 2006 10:32 PM
Scene: some undisclosed public travel hub near Tampa, Florida
Ahmed Bedier, ED of Tampa's CAIR
Excuse me, friend. Would you
like a free autographed copy of the Koran and to possibly
learn more about the Inner Peace of Islam?
NON-JIHAD WATCHER
Oh, no, thank you, I'm fine.
Ahmed Bedier, ED of Tampa's CAIR
Okay, no problem. Have a good day!
NON-JIHAD WATCHER
Um, thanks. You, too! ... Oh, geez.
I feel like such an a$$ now. This guy was
just trying to be nice, and I'm all, "No, I
don't want to." Maybe I am too stressed
out. Maybe there is something to this
Islamology business.
Observant Ronin Jihad Watcher to Non-Jihad Watcher
Wow N-JW, we never met....part of the problem with this world, people don’t spend enough time getting to know each other. Let's do lunch. I eat pulled pork sandwhiches every Friday afternoon, you are welcome to join me. I'll pick you up in my truck - my mohammed bobblehead arrived last week, it is real nice and we'll talk about world domination and worshiping pedophiles. To tell the truth I usually -- -- ---
[Brother Ronin can you help me out here? I tend to be obscure at times]
Posted by: Malinois at November 6, 2006 10:39 PM
I'm-A-Bedwetter doesn't know what he's talking about, and it's men like him who are the real danger to our society.
Keep telling the Truth Robert!
Posted by: champ at November 6, 2006 10:42 PM
Hundreds of people reside in North American compounds, such as in Islamberg, New York. They are also in Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Colorado, California, Washington, and Oklahoma. Locals watch as heavy freight is delivered into the armed encampments. Adversaries purify Islam through violence. Militants go through paramilitary training, with automatic weapons, firing ranges, and obstacle courses. They learn survival tactics and shooting techniques. The beltway sniper and shoe bomber, may have attended.
Paintball outings are routine in many states, such as Florida, Arizona, Tennessee, New Mexico, and Ohio, and also in Ontario, Canada. MSA, CAIR, and Wahhabi centers tutor students in combat techniques, with paintball, i.e., Paintball Times.
Jihad threats are not only nuclear and biological, but also include bombs in dead bodies. Planes can be used as missiles. Airport workers can provide secrets to jihadis. Caskets and human remains are not subject to airline x-ray screening. Countries of origin determine security, and there is a constant flow of caskets coming into North America.
Sources:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/
Profiling the dead
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24174
The Terrorist Next Door
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=24169
Probe finds terrorists in U.S. 'training for war'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48868
Las Vegas, Nevada, November 10th & 11th, 2006, Symposium: Understanding the Threat of Radical Islamist Terrorism
at November 6, 2006 10:43 PM
Mr. Spencer, you seem to have struck a nerve with Ahmed Bedier.
Thank you for JihadWatch and DhimmiWatch. These sites are raising the conscience level of the intelligent world, and the spleen of the rest.
Posted by: Shakey_Premise at November 6, 2006 10:44 PM
Ahmed,
Your comment was textbook psychological projection:
Psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes ("projects") to others, one's own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts.Who is more of a bigot than a pious Muslim who is obligated to not associate with anyone outside of his religion?
I sincerely hope you find a qualified psychologist to help you overcome your affliction.
at November 6, 2006 10:47 PM
I have been reading this website for a few months now. I first heard you on the Michael Medved program. Now, I check in first thing in the morning.. pop in during the day when I am near my laptop (which is often)...I visit when I go potty at 3 in the morning! I forward the link to friends who in turn pass it on to others...... the word is spreading!!
I can't thank you enough, Mr. Spencer, for all you do! The truth is refreshing!!
at November 6, 2006 10:47 PM
One more thing I want to mention- Mr. Ahmed's actions here are akin to the sophmoric actions of the pampered kids that tried to intimidate Walid Shoebat, Hilmar von Campe, and Zakaria Anani when they spoke at Columbia university- These cowards evidently support the crucifiction of defenseless 14 Yr. old boys in Iraq by the big tough Islamic terrorists. You know that you're making a difference when you get people that support terrorism showing up on your site to try to intimidate you-
Christian news and commentary at: target="_blank">sacredscoop.com ...
Posted by: CottShop at November 6, 2006 10:49 PM
Brother Ronin can you help me out here? I tend to be obscure at times]
Posted by: Malinois
Not obscure the word is slow. If you are going to quote me do so correctly. If you really need an explanation of what I wrote, ask one of the lowest segments of our society, they clearly understood my post. Btw, since my mother did not kill herself you are definitely not my brother. Whatever line you hail from it did not mix with mine, good day to you sir.
Posted by: Ronin at November 6, 2006 10:49 PM
Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society.
__________________
I can assure you that I am not the lowest segment of our society. I have several college degrees, and I'm a productive; self-supporting member of society.
I am currently studying Islam in a book written by a Muslim, not Robert Spencer. After finishing this book I will read the Koran; again not translated or commented on by Robert Spencer.
Despite this, I do read and post to this website. I have to admit; however, that I do not believe that FACTS qualify as hate-speech.
It's really too bad that CAIR will not engage in an honest dialogue.
Posted by: Monkeywho at November 6, 2006 10:50 PM
I stopped caring what hateful people like this spew a very long time ago. Give me someone, like Robert, who presents his views with intelligence and I think it is deserving of consideration. Robert's books are popular with my family and friends and we have even, believe it or not passed a book or two around at work.
I am sure there are anger workshops available for this sort of dysfunctional type. Maybe even Ralph Peters could suggest one.
Posted by: amana39
at November 6, 2006 10:52 PM
One more note to Mr. Bedier and CAIR:
I have been busy and had not have a chance to buy my copies (for presents) of Robert Spencers new book. But, you have reminded me today of the importance of my good and basically liberal friends to have more information on Islam taken from Islamic sources that have been used by Muslims to articulate their belief system for the past 1 and near a half millenia. Thank you for that reminder. I will now go to Amazon.com.
I want you to know sincerely that the idea 6 years ago that the idea that I would want to actively spread the word about the bad points of another person's ideology would have left me incredulous. But that is life in aworld without a moderate Islam.
I am sorry that organizations like yours are not devoted to a reformation and enlightenment within your tradition (that is the only way the rest of the world will permit your granchildren to have it). Instead you want to add insult to injury (thousands of bombings in the name of your religion by its devout) by deigning to lecture us on bigotry. As if our thoughts on Islam come from ignorance and not study.
And then the final insult, you wrap yourself in Kuffir values of equality and point your finger at us in the confidence of Sharia superiority.
That (najis) dog don't hunt as someone from the "Lowest Segment" might put it in the plaiest of English.
Posted by: tokyobk at November 6, 2006 10:55 PM
Just because I'm-A-Bedwetter dared to imply that Robert Spencer has virtually no readers, I've decided to buy all of Robert Spencer's books out of pure spite.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 6, 2006 11:01 PM
"Maybe you should consider taking your hate-fest workshops on the road and train bigots how to restrain their hatred so not to expose themselves."
Maybe Mr. Bedier should have a talk with his co-religionist Marwan Ahmad here in Phoenix. He apparently was unable to restrain his hatred and thus "exposed" himself:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25309
Posted by: Don Miguel at November 6, 2006 11:02 PM
Hey Ick Med-
Do you know what you are talking about?
Judging from all these posts one would have to conclude with a "HELL NO"!
Say goodbye now, Ick Med.
My regards to Iblis Hooper.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 6, 2006 11:02 PM
Robert, he calls you 'Bobby'! Do you happen to know this man well enough to allow him to use the diminutive form of your name or is he merely being insulting and overly familiar in an attempt to belittle you - I suspect the latter.
Oh, and by-the-way, I am proud to be a member of "the lowest segment of our society" as Ahmed Bedier phrases it. The "lowest segment of our society" has consistently fought the corner for freedom, for universal suffrage, for equality before the law, for employment rights, for free speech, for womens' rights, for gay rights, for democracy at all levels, for trade union law, for free employment law, for universal education, for... for... for... The list is practically endless.
The very statement "the lowest segment of our society" reveals him for what he is - an old-fashioned some-folks-are-born-better-than-others type of person (type of moslem?). That he can use a phrase like that in the 21st. century proves only one thing: that he is an old-fashioned, class-conscious, islamic supremacist and it reveals him to be a man whose concept of modern human society is firmly hierarchical and pyramidical. For him there is a top and a bottom to society, a narrow and well defined elite and hoi-polloi (to which we posters at JW/DW obviously belong). He obviously has no concept of the modern 'interlocking groups' concept of society and the implications of that concept, and how we have used that concept to forge our current free society.
It is, of course, no more than one would expect from the moslem-diseased mind but, none-the-less, it is still surprising to see it appearing in print in this century - even from a moslem! Ahmed Bedier has nothing new to offer us for he is not a moderate moslem (Google him), nor is he a rational human being (again, Google him), nor is he an intellect worth debating with (once again, Google him), nor does he say anything, not one jot or tittle, of original worth - he merely spouts the islamic supremacist line with no thought, no reasoning, no application of academic rigour and, above all, with no humanity.
The man is a charlatan, an apology for a human being, the merest cipher in the service of his corrupt ideology. His mind, polluted as it is by islam, cannot come to grips with any objective concept of freedom. He pretends to the status of uber Mensch and in so doing displays to all and sundry his status as unter Mensch.
One single example of the man's duplicity and stupidity will suffice, for all of you can Google to your hearts' content since we still live in a non-moslem, free society (but for how much longer?). Simply go to:
http://www.nysun.com/article/31973?access=312476
and read what he has to say about the Sami Al-Arian trial. That should be enough, but, if it is not, just keep Googling. I guarantee that you will end up as annoyed as I am by the hubris of this man - the sheer, downright lies which he tells coupled with his seemingly inexhaustible ability to rewrite history to suit himself. This man, Ahmed Bedier, is the text-book example, the classic case, of the moslem who has set out, with absolutely no conscience, to dupe the innocent and to pervert the west into the course of the evil ideology that is islam. I have no words too harsh for Ahmed Bedier, but I have many that I will not use on a respectable site such as this.
What a fool the man is.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 6, 2006 11:07 PM
Mr Spencer said :
'Note the fury, the contempt, the intent to demean, the will to hurt'
I have found that these features usually characterise any form of 'debate' one has with Muslims. In fact, they are common features of Muslims all round - along with deceiving or trying to intimidate.
at November 6, 2006 11:16 PM
Re: "Bobby, the reality is NO ONE cares about your views and the handful of visitors that read the hate speech that you spew are the lowest segment of our society".
This is utter nonsense and means just the opposite since Jihadwatch provokes much thought re Islam and belief-systems in general. Bigotry to this person is any criticism based on fact-reason that he cannot refute. It's an emotionally immature response without any intellectual content.
No one is supposed to notice that adherents of this gentleman's belief-system kill innocent people simply because they are Jews or other unbelievers. However, as per the belief-system, an unbeliever is not innocent simply because that person does not believe (and sometimes openly criticizes) the belief-system. Therefore, when an unbeliever is killed by adherents of this gentleman's belief-system, this gentleman can truly say that the belief-system forbids the killing of innocent people and for unbelievers to say otherwise is bigotry.
The belief-system is treated as a fact in declaring unbelievers not innocent by their unbelief. But guess what? People don't believe in this belief-system and many are becoming very critical of the belief-system and many are indeed innocent victims of the dogmas of the belief-system. The fact that Muslim believers do not rise up against the Jihadists everywhere and march to condemn them is because they know the Jihadists represent true Islam.
In the future, many unbelievers are going to openly question the sanity of this belief-system. People like OBL and other Jihadists are best understood in the context of mental illness.
Posted by: Frank at November 6, 2006 11:18 PM
I would like to know exactly how he defines "lowest segment." My family has always been hard-working and patriotic Americans. One grandfather was in the Navy & the other in the Airforce (served in Korea). I come from farming, manufacturing, and secretarial stock. We pay our taxes, vote, and generally try to help our neighbors. I have a college degree, and have not been without a job since I graduated 10 years ago. If this is his definition of "lowest segment," then I would have to lift my hands and say "Guilty as charged - thank God!"
Posted by: Cait at November 6, 2006 11:22 PM
Perhaps Mr. CAIR's time would be better spent exhorting people of his OWN faith (read: false religiony)refrain from hate.... you know, cleaning one's own house before venturing over to the neighbors and pontificating over there...
Posted by: angryeagle at November 6, 2006 11:25 PM
I’ve got friends in low places, where the whiskey drowns and the beer chases Bedier away, and that’s A OK.
As he’s not big on social graces, let's send him back to his oasis, and us Infidels will still be here, in low places.
Cheers Bedier!
at November 6, 2006 11:39 PM
Perhaps Monsieur Bedier suffers from too many trips to his proctologist in order to have his undershorts surgically removed.
Posted by: dms at November 6, 2006 11:44 PM
Now, now, play nice mm k? Geez, when Ahmed went to St. Paul's Catholic Church near St. Petersburg, Florida and spoke of harmony and peace...wow... His writings seem to run counter eh? I wonder if I printed out his "comments" and sent them to Father if they'd finally begin to pray for the Pope's blessing during the Prayers of the Faithful again...mmm.
Now, he just might be practicing some of his al Taqeah on us...a Jedi mind trick of sorts...his deceit can't fool us.. We are actually the HIGHEST segment. Use the Force young Ahmed...use the Force. Do or do not, there is no try.
at November 6, 2006 11:51 PM
I would welcome being labeled an "Islamophobe." Unlike the specious and meaningless "homophobe" epithet, I think Islamophobe is right on target. The civilized world has everything to fear from Islamists, for they are the intolerant and violent bunch that threaten civilization and free men everywhere. Thus, in future arguments and confrontations, I would beseech Robert to embrace the characterization by detractors, while making the same points for the same reasons.
Posted by: prman at November 6, 2006 11:54 PM
No, you don't want to be an "Islamophobe" because a phobia is a 'irrational fear'. There is certainly nothing irrational about our fear.
Posted by: charles martel at November 7, 2006 12:00 AM
Ey yo, Bobby Spencah, you besta cool down, dawg! You gosta stop bashing islam cuz you got CAIR after yo A$$.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 7, 2006 12:02 AM
What gall this lowlife muslim creature from the Wahabbi school of hate has to call us the "lowest segment" of a society he detests and intends to transform into an islamic cesspool! He is not even a legitimate member of of our society so how could he recognize its lowest segment, unless he considers all non-muslims to belong to that group.
This muslim fifth columnist must feel very threatened to delve into matters he knows absolutely nothing about, like who reads Jihadwatch. Sorry pal, but your secret is out and we, the "lowest segment" of American society, are spreading the word far and wide every day! And by the way, "Islamophobe" is not even a real word, so shove it.
Posted by: Susanp at November 7, 2006 12:15 AM
charles martel (small "c", small "m")
I've been posting here for over three years under the moniker Charles Martel. As I've asked in the past, please muster some creativity and choose another nickname.
Charles Martel
Posted by: Charles Martel at November 7, 2006 12:18 AM
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at November 7, 2006 12:18 AM
If it wasn't for the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades I would never have started researching Islam and have since read many books on the subject by a diverse range of authors.
I like the view from the 'bottom' you get to see the real dirt and the real Truth compared to the 'truth' as it is proposed by groups like CAIR. My thanks to Robert and his friends for their continued good works.
Posted by: JamesThailand at November 7, 2006 12:21 AM
the lowest segment of our society
I knew going to that United Nations reception would come back to haunt me.
Posted by: St. David, King of Georgia at November 7, 2006 12:22 AM
I wear Mr. Bedier's hatred and contempt like a badge of honour.
Darrell Goodman
Toronto, Canada
at November 7, 2006 12:38 AM
well i stop by here once in a while, now it will be everyday,,,,, thanks for this site, and i am also happy to be part of the lowest segment of our society.
Posted by: bcgirl at November 7, 2006 12:38 AM
"I like the view from the 'bottom'
Posted by James Thailand
Me too. Matter of fact, Bedier, you oughta join us lower elements of society. After all, Islam's days are numbered. That's even more clear in light of the uplifting and spiritually edifying example and elegant style modelled by ambassadors like you. (By the way, its "Mr. Spencer" to you; "Bobby" is a little too informal for you to use when addressing your natural better, but I guess such crudity is to be expected given the source).
You can rest assured that if you abandon the false and depraved creed of Islam you'll be congratulated here by people from all over the world, as the number of posters so far indicates. By the way, I'd say that at least one third, maybe closer to one half of those posting in this thread are people I don't recall ever hearing from before, and I've been posting here regularly here for months.
Just think: all of these people are making themselves heard here just to say hello to you. Not bad for a site that nobody pays attention to.
Posted by: templar at November 7, 2006 12:46 AM
Ahmed is no stranger to making stupid statements. I just researched some of the things he's said publicly, and lets just say that he's one very popular guy among his peers -- NOT!
Posted by: champ at November 7, 2006 12:50 AM
Interesting.
On Mon 11/6/2006 5:36 AM, I emailed a letter to all the Florida C.A.I.R. propagandists, with a copy to the Florida Republican Party, copy to Gov. Jeb Bush, and the St. Pete Times. Then also to Hernando Today. Also copied Mr. Hogan.
The email concerned Hernando County Commissioner Tom Hogan and the attempt by Gov. Bush and the Florida Republican party to make Mr. Hogan apologize for agreeing with his wife that Islam is a "hateful, frightening religion". C.A.I.R. is trying to force his resignation and people are calling poor Mr. & Mrs. Hogan, racists and bigots for speaking the truth.
Here is that email in which I mentioned your website:
Dear Ms. Asjylyn Loder:
If you believe the lie that Islam is peaceful, then read the Quran. Also see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Other good sites are:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
When you read the Quran you realize that it is an evil religious and political ideology. It is evil like Nazism, but worse in that such vile deeds are done in the name of “ALLAH”. The life of the false “prophet” Muhammad is one of murder, pedophilia, and slavery/subjugation. The Quran also teaches it is ok to lie to Kafirs like us. We become “useful idiot’s” for them. See http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_17095.shtml in the Persian Journal by Amil Imani.
Apparently, besides many in the Democratic party, Jeb Bush and the Florida Republican party are “useful idiots” and I say that out of sadness being a Republican.
Lying for Allah is okay according to the eminent Islamic scholar Imam Ghazali who wrote:
"When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible " (Ref: Ahmad Ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller , Amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745).
Imam Ghazali does not say this without knowledge. He is basing his fatwa on the words and examples of the Prophet himself.
In one hadith we read that the prophet calls upon his followers to assassin Ka’b ibn Ashraf, the chief of a Jewish tribe who was wary of Muhammad and tells them it is okay to tell a lie to deceive him. Bukhari, Volume 5, #369
The fact is that Muslims feel no pang of conscience to lie if that lie is said for Allah’s sake and his religion. If the lie is said for a good cause it is okay.
Another popular lie is that we worship the same God is not true. No one with intellectual honesty can say we worship the same God after comparing the Bible to the Quran.
One of the many differences between Islam and Christianity is this:
Muhammad says SUBMIT…
Jesus says DECIDE…
Islam means submission.
I applaud the Hogan’s for their courage in speaking the truth. As a Republican, I am dismayed that Gov. Bush and the Florida Republican Party are not standing up for the Hogan’s in exercising their free speech, but would rather condemn the
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