That is because they are not being discussed and for the reasons you have enunciated over the years.

Posted by: lonewolf at November 8, 2006 7:48 AM

Plus also Robert they consider you very knowledgeable in the Muslim faith and you go in great detail.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 8, 2006 7:52 AM

These concerns are not being discussed in my neck of the woods. Muslim leaders are in denial or find excuses why the Jihadists do what they do and distance themselves like they came from another planet. Fuzzy wuzzy interfaith meetings covered by the toally PC local newspaper pasteurize the ROP propaganda to the population that still reads the rag. If one enters any serious discussions in print like quotes from the Koran or how Mohammed handled criticism (with death warrants), it is banned from publication.

Posted by: Briars at November 8, 2006 8:05 AM

How long do the silent majority of Muslims require to salvage their religion from the hijackers?
How many hundreds of thousands of dead in the name of jihad do they need to see?
I've been trying to figure this out since 9/11.
Peaceful Muslims have been trying to figure it out for 1400 years.
If they haven't found enough spirit to stand up to the killers by now they deserve every bit of our scorn.
Of course the alternative is that the violence is endorsed by the silent majority.

Posted by: HawkWatcher at November 8, 2006 8:20 AM

The first step at fixing a problem is admitting there is a problem ,In islam that first step makes you a apostate heritic .Like Islam beleives it has the right to rule other religions from the outside, you cannot fix islam from the inside or the outside.
The only cure for Islam is rejection.

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at November 8, 2006 8:29 AM

>>>the vast majority want to live in peace along with the rest of the world>>>

You mean completely obliterate all hatred towards
Jews and the rest? Without asking for remedial concessions for their non existent victimhood?

" bone chilling fear" ??

But icy contempt, frosty disdain and self righteous malevolence while killing Jews and the rest:)) Why cringe, why not accept desserts too as inshaallah?

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 8, 2006 8:30 AM

1400 years have come and gone and still Muslims fear the jihadists. When will they finally deal with them once and for all? In the year 2525-if man is still alive?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 8, 2006 8:50 AM

Assalamau Laikum all,

This is a good topic, and there are few answers. The muslim community should speak about this topic however I think in many ways the umma is a split-umma...let us explore this point...by saying that there are many types of muslims.

1) Muslims who know a bit about their religion, they are reasonably well integrated and think that Jihids don't belong to their religion. To them Jihad is an internal struggle...these are good peoples...they don't want to talk about jihad really...incase a jihadi is listening in.

2) Muslims who think they know a lot about their religion. They cannot integrate with the Kafur...(they must rule over them), the way forward is sharia and Islam...by whatever means...these peoples don't think about Jihad...all they know is jihad...like a fish doesn't think about water.

3) The vast majority just want to go about their daily lives...and only come into contact with Jihad when they read about it in the papers or the TV. Questioning the Quaran is difficult for these peoples ...they know that there is section of it pertaining to Jihad....but they prefer to skip them....jihad is for others, jihad is last resort, jihad is when their OWN honour (not that of the umma) is in question. Many of these peoples will have several houses in the West...they are comfortable with democracy...but will be comfortable with sharia too..."who can know the way of the all merciful Allah SWT".

Note however cartoons are bad for all...to my humble mind it is foolish to go after all muslims...when there are such clear divisions over who to target....the trick I think is to get to know muslims better and more intimately....many muslims are good peoples too and Inshalla would make good spouces too.

Posted by: Naseem at November 8, 2006 8:55 AM

Some relief there naseem. For the umpteenth time you did not come out with your well worn "Hindus ran as much as their short legs...

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 8, 2006 9:06 AM

Oh but Robert, experts are debating Islam. You just don't have the best job in the world.

Posted by: saint at November 8, 2006 9:49 AM

I would think the "more moderate" muslims are just letting the "radical" muslims do the work for them. Then in the end, if muslims win, they'll all be one big happy family.

Posted by: freewoman at November 8, 2006 9:52 AM

Naseem,

Your classification of muslims requires some modifications as shown below:

1) Muslims who think they know a bit about their religion, they seem reasonably well integrated and they act as if Jihad doesn't belong to their religion. They keep making up the myth them Jihad is an internal struggle...these are seemingly good peoples.. However, these muslims live in a state of either sheer ignorance, or suffer from serious self-denial about their own religion or, worse, wilfully lie about their religion in order to fool unsuspecting non-muslims. They refuse to admit the fact that violent jihad has always been used within their religion to create a dar-ul-harb, starting with the founder Muhhamad himself.

2) Muslims who actually know a lot about their religion. They cannot integrate with the Kafur...(they must rule over them), the way forward is sharia and Islam...by whatever means...these peoples don't think about Jihad...all they know is jihad...like a fish doesn't think about water. For all their faults, the one thing these muslims cannot be accused of is of lying about their religion.

3) The vast majority who just want to go about their daily lives...and only come into contact with Jihad when they read about it in the papers or the TV. Questioning the Quaran is difficult for these peoples ...they know that there is section of it pertaining to Jihad....but they prefer to skip them....jihad is for others, jihad is last resort, jihad is when their OWN honour (not that of the umma) is in question. Many of these peoples will have several houses in the West...they are comfortable with democracy...but will be comfortable with sharia too..."who can know the way of the all merciful Allah SWT".

None of these three categories are particularly appealing to me. So tell us, Naseem, which of these categories do you belong in?

Posted by: Razdan at November 8, 2006 9:56 AM

Here is another recnt "debate" topic taking place in British courts. Many of us could be on trial here.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,200-2442609.html

Posted by: Briars at November 8, 2006 2:14 PM

I hope the two people who were interviewed are serious. They said that the issue needs to be discussed. In other words, they have endorsed and not condemned Robert's efforts to inform us of the Truth about Mohammed.

There will only be hope when the true moderate Muslims (especially the secular Muslims) have the confidence to speak out against Sharia and all of the medieval trappings that the insane want to impose upon society.

However, so long as CAIR exists in America these Muslims are not free to speak their minds out of fear of reprisal.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at November 8, 2006 2:21 PM

Cry for Jihad

This is worth repeating that when ever there is news of any killing or loss of life is involved in some incident. Our Media is always ready to put it under the lights of high held prism of terrorism. Their services are always very quick to respond and are happy to present that news in the refined crystal goblet of ‘Global war on terror’.

There are numerable dissident groups in all the religions; found operating all over in the world. Most of them; keep on terrorising the innocent people and are involved in remorseless killing. But the word ‘Terrorism’ is invariably used to single out the Muslims only. Their religious belief of Jihad is exceptionally maligned. Muslim are projected as the people; who love death. They consider all the non-Muslim as non-believers and under the commandment of Koran; are ordained to kill all the non-believers when and where ever they are found? The term ‘Jihad’ has become a catch word and a quick way of ascribing of any news of killing toward Islam.

But we find that Jihad in Islam is described very differently. Jihad is said to be an earnest effort; put forward by an individual into reformation of ones self or say; striving in the way of God to reform ones inner self to be a better person. Personal reformation takes the priority over reformation of society. Subject of ‘killing of an oppressor’ or ‘killing in defence’ comes at the very last on the list. So in principle, it may not be fair to ascribe any random killing of innocents to the religion Islam and malign the Muslims as such.

Any how, in the ‘contest of killing and jihad’, we have to see that:

a. Is Jihad fostered and cherished by Muslims only or do we also find some equivalents in other religions which may be comparable and they tantamount to the same meanings as Jihad?

b. Are the people leading their lives in other religions i.e. in Christianity, Judaic, Buddha or Hindu societies; have some how been so thoroughly humbled and emasculated or say; removed or civilised to that degree that they have no more; any urge left, to think of killing any one. Not even when they are oppressed to the limit or in their self defence; as a lost resort.

c. And what are the actual facts and practices found on the ground. Where thousand and thousands of people are being put to death. Their properties are destroyed and children and women being massacred and maimed. Is this being done by Muslims only? If not, then it is being done by whom and on what accounts?

The killing prescribed as a lost resort in Islam in defence or to raise arm against the oppressor is too mild an action and looks a peace promoting enactment; than the commandments found in other religions.

Surprisingly, commandments found in other religions are much harsher than one can imagin.

For Instance the Christianity prescribes an instant killing of a person who worships any other god, other than the Lord. (See the links at * & **).
'Eye for an eye’ and ‘killed with the sword to be killed by the sword’ and like wise versions found in other religions are the subjects to be pondered upon; but through the colour less glasses only.

Today we find that in Middle Eastern countries where, predominantly Muslim nations live are blazing in wars.

The entire Middle Eastern society seems to be engulfed in an atmosphere of anarchy and violence. Killing and destruction is prevalent every where.Life is; but a misery.

Who is the oppressor here? Who is the invader? Who is being killed and who is at rampage to kill?

Why we hear a cry for Jihad from the activists (decedent groups) in the Middle Eastern world? Where as; the rulers of the area prefer to remain quite and submissive?

What is the real cause or motivation behind this controversial out cry; known as the cry of extremism?

We all know that leading organisations like, Hamas and Hezbollah; found in Middle East are the product of continuous oppression, deprivation and persecution spread over a many long, long years. They are the resistance organisations, fighting for their freedom and liberation of their home land and preferred way of life.

Spirit behind their cause and motivation is worth exploring.

History of freedom is universal and full of writings; written with the flowing blood of freedom fighters. Every sacrifice where the blood flows is counted a positive step forward and glorifiable in the eyes of martyrs by all the nations. Aim is; that it should go on; till the time the oppressor surrenders.

Denial of freedom is death. Means of survival are limitless.

The civilised world is to think cool for this and respect and reach for this cause; known as 'sacred cause' behind each suicidal fatality.

Islam is peace loving religion and follows the laws of nature. Nature does not accept any suppression. For any suppression forced beyond the acceptable limit. You are bound to get equal and opposite recoil action.

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Links recommended:
*The Bible: The Lord here commands the destruction of all the places where people worship other gods. There appears not a shred of religious tolerance here! ...
http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htmihad is never said to be doomed or

**The Bible: Condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. ... When he's done with the killing everyone will know that he is the Lord. ...
skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html -condemned.
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Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at November 8, 2006 7:26 PM

Cry for Jihad (continued)

But in the case of these suicidal actions; Islam has got nothing to do with this. In the Middle Eastern theatre; It’s mere; a bout between oppressed and oppressors only.

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Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at November 8, 2006 7:53 PM

That last post is very discouraging.
Only one viewpoint can be truthful.
Muslims are killing in the name of Islam and doing very little or nothing to stop it.
The poster is part of the problem.
Welcome to the dungheap.

Posted by: HawkWatcher at November 8, 2006 8:35 PM

-HawkWatcher,

I've shot back at this "A Khokar" on previous threads. He's just another mohammedan liar that likes to make up reality to fit into his schizophrenic islamo-psychosis and Gramscian cultural dialectic.

Nothing original, just more of the same "we're the victims, everything's everyone else's fault" crap we here from the islamaniacs whenever they show up.

The unfortunate thing about leaving your window open, sometimes a shitbird flies in.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 8, 2006 9:33 PM