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At the jihadist Kavkaz Center site, Musa Mukozhev of "The Caucasian Front" writes an exhortation to jihad, "Going Out For Jihad is Real Freedom," that is heavy on Qur'an quotes and invocation of Islamic law. Here then is yet another example of how jihadists appeal to Muslims by presenting themselves as the exponents of "pure Islam" -- and for all the posturing and bluster of people like Ahmed Bedier, self-proclaimed moderate Muslims in the West have never formulated any response to this that challenges the jihadists on Islamic grounds.
In the name of Allah, Most Merciful, Most Compassionate! All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of the worlds, His peace and greeting to all prophets and to our Messenger Muhammad, to his family and to all his righteous followers!The mission of all relevations of Allah was call to the monotheism (tawhid). Atheists and heathens frequently proposed to prophets and envoys of the good of the peace of this instead of to the concessions in the religion. They spoke: we are agreeable to accept monotheism partially. But prophets always manifested durability in their faith and spoke: "no! There is no god besides Allah!".
They killed and pursued them for their these words, for these words the believers battled and sacrificed themselves. Call to tawhid compulsorily led to the opposition with the incorrect. The Sunnah of Allah in his creations is such.
Prophet of Allah, Muhammad, s.a.s., called people to worship only to one Allah. The one who assumed Islam, he became his brother, while the one who rejected became his enemy.
Today many Muslims assert that if it is correct to call unbelievers to Islam, then it is possible to avoid opposition. And we see how they peacefully lives among the unbelievers, there are constructed mosques, there are opened Islamic educational institutions, etc.
How they are succeeded in avoiding opposition? Either incorrect did today become good with respect to the Muslims, or this contemporary Muslim preachers did become wiser than prophets and sahaba? In reality neither that nor other. Simply many today's Muslims forgot the words of Allah "and neither Israelites not will be contented by you nor Christians will not thus far avert you from your of religion, if they be able...", and they compromise, with the incorrect partially rejecting tawhid in the favor of kafirs and to their laws. They think that makes da'ua (call to Islam), and in reality they leads people into error itself be in it.
Today throughout the world we see the enormous crowds of people of those making namaz, fasting, that gives sadaka (alms) and zakyat (shariah tax). Many knows by heart the Koran, many khadises, but only units of them are in accordance with tawhid. Because they live under the rule of unbelievers, and no today on the earth of this authority, which would permit completely preaching tawhid. In entire peace for the call to the evidence, that there is no god besides Allah, Muslims they pursue, put into prisons and kill. This opposition, this Jihad it was always and it will be to the Day of Judgement, as predicted to us the prophet of Allah, Muhammad,peace be upon him:
"will not cease the group of my community, which battles for the truth, to conquer to the Day of Judgement".
Today the responsibility of each Muslim (fard ' ayn) it is to come out against taguts and to battle with kafirs, which attacks on the Muslims. Today jihad is required (fard ' ayn) for each Muslim therefore as after a drop in the caliphate not there was such moment, at which somewhere on the earth did not go the Jihad. And always the responsibility of each Muslim was battle and rendering aid to those brothers, who battle on the way of Allah.
Fard ' ayn indicates personal responsibility. I.e. from the moment, when man becomes mukallyaf (adult and in the sensible reason), it is obligated to participate in the Jihad.
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Some unscrupulously lie, indicating that today in the world allegedly the "new Mekka's period" and ayats of jihad has not today a force. But Allah said in the Holy Quran:
"battle with them, until temptation disappears and until religion is wholly not dedicated to Allah. But if they end, then quarrel one should only with unlawful ones". (al -Bakara, 2:193)
Battle with pagans by all together, similarly how they battle with you by all together. Know that Allah with the god-fearing ones. ( 9:36)
To those people, which assert that it is not possible to make Jihad today, we pose the same question, which we assign thereby, who fears to make namaz: But you did try it to make? Begin, and you will see, that in this there is nothing impossible. And that the favor of Allah to its sincere slaves is immeasurable.
Read it all. It's fractured English, but nonetheless illuminating.
Posted by Robert at November 8, 2006 3:46 PM
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That is some BAD English indeed.. totally rambling and un-thought-out.
I wish they did follow his advice and all of them started to get violent against us.. leaving the liberal sell-outs no longer the luxury of hiding their haeds in the sand.
It's the creeping slithering jihad that has carried into our governments, our schools and our media that worries me far more than their violence for now.
The sooner they get violent on a large scale the sooner we can deal with the problem effectively. Problem is we have to get them to start.
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at November 8, 2006 4:04 PM
The best thing that could happen is for the believing peoples of the world to heed the call of this Caucasian Front.
We need all believers everywhere to heed the call and begin the march into the brave new world.
Please listen to your spiritual leaders like Musa Mukozhev here and do what he says.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 8, 2006 4:09 PM
Yes.. let them bring mayhem to our streets.. so much so that our "own" police forces won't be able to protect them from our wrath any longer!
These cowardly bastards know they can practically do as they wish right now - our police forces and courts are largely on their side.
But let them go full-scale and the tide will turn against them. No more squeamish BBC/npr to protect them.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 8, 2006 4:14 PM
Slavery is freedom....war is peace...Where have we heard such inverted "logic" before?
Posted by: DesertDawgN29 at November 8, 2006 4:18 PM
The article refers to ‘pure’ Islam.
There are Christians who go to services regularly that don’t have Bibles in the pews. There are others who never go to church but read and believe the teachings of the Bible. I’d argue that the Bible readers are the ‘purer’ Christians, as the message is not filtered through a third person or organization. I witnessed a leader of a religious congregation try to sell a used car to his flock on Sunday morning (no kidding).
‘Pure’ Islam in my eyes is practiced by those who memorize its texts in the Madrassas. So called ‘Moderate’ Muslims are either disobeying the directive of the Prophet Muhammed; O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54, are ignorant of his teachings, or are putting on an act. The President's portrayal of ‘Moderate Muslims’ is an oxymoron per the teachings of the Qu-ran.
It seems to be that these recruiters are exponents of pure, if selective, Islam. I'd trust them before I'd trust a Muslim cleric who speaks of community harmony.
at November 8, 2006 5:08 PM
This website just chugs ahead, despite the election furor, barely acknowledging the latter. That's dedication.
Posted by: Benjamin at November 8, 2006 5:14 PM
And I say "Going out for Crusade is real Freedom!"
Posted by: Infidel_Dog at November 8, 2006 5:40 PM
Somebody get Putin to read this. Maybe he can see what he's really up against before falling all over himself in giving help to those wonderful Syrians and Iranians.
By the way, the guy who wrote this gets my vote for most pious Muslim. He wrote this in the same dreadful and confusing style that the Koran comes in. Congrats Musa-you get the Mr. Perfect Award for excellence in emulating Mo!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 8, 2006 5:42 PM
I just finished watching the original "Godzilla" (Gojira, 195--in it's original Japanese and without Raymond Burr), and while it is supposed to be an anti-nuclear weapons allegory, it could easily be turned into an anti-jihad allegory.
What we learn from the original story, "Gojira" is an ancient creature that rarely ventured outside of its oceans lair, until a deadly outside force (in this case hydrogen bomb testing) caused it to mutate and become a threat to all of mankind. At first the PC among society were against fighting it, hoping that they could co-exist ("it's the only one of its kind, and we have no right to kill it"), but eventually it became clear to all that it had to be destroyed.
The same can be said regarding the soul-destroying, civilization-hating beast of Islam. At some point, people will have to come to grips about what this monster is, and that it has to be destroyed. If we don't, then it's going to destroy everyone. There will be NO end to the carnage.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at November 8, 2006 5:43 PM
you all know about "copy cat" crimes that sometimes happen because they were inspired by like crimes elsewhere (like the whole school shooting thing that
keeps happening). Islam "pure Islam" like this poor excuse for a human being in Russia was referring to has created a large resovior of moderate muslims who are in my opinion prgrammed with the same purity of islam. Now because they are regular people they do not want to go and kill (even though the Quran says it is for them to do:
Qur’an:2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?’”
Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
but NEVERTHELESS they provide in my opionion a pool of potential subconsious 'sleeper' terrorists who if they do not become full fledged terrorists are still susceptible to "sudden jihad syndrome" whether the world will admit it or not.
at November 8, 2006 5:51 PM
and dont forget
HATE IS LOVE
because if Islam is about something its LOVE(ie the religion of peace as malvo wrote)
oh yeah they're full of it alright.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 8, 2006 5:58 PM
yohannbiimu-
You're not the only one to see how Islamania parallels sci fi. The Omega Man, Beneath the Planet of the Apes and several Star Trek eps all struck me the same way. A book probably could be written on the subject. It is regrettable that Islam is a fact and not fiction- at least then we could put away that movie or book after a while. With Islam it tries to put us away-into a grave.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 8, 2006 6:06 PM
The key-word here is ModerateMuslim. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that Muslim is Moderate, in contradiction of the plain facts.
Posted by: limes at November 8, 2006 6:08 PM
What an almost incomprehensible load of horsedung!
As for the idea that it would be a good thing if jihadists started an all-out battle, I doubt it. Look at France: the police can't cope and the politicians aren't enabling them. The fact that they see it as 'jihad' is denied, not even mentioned, in most reports. Their methods of violence are sneaky, not easily defended against.
But I forgot: I guess it would play out quite differently in the USA. Perhaps that's why they don't dare there!
Posted by: Lili at November 8, 2006 6:11 PM
Going out for jihad is real freedom
And then? Do you get to live it? In Islam, there is no freedom. You are only free to enter it, but you are not free to leave it. You are not even free to entertain doubts about Islam, for that makes you a kafir (infidel). How is that for freedom?
And what happens when jihad accomplishes its goal of establishing the global Caliphate under al-Mahdi and Isa? It has to resort to killing of all those who refused to submit to Islam, for Isa will "break the cross, slay the swine and abolish the jizya". And it has to be accomplished its goal by slaughtering the Jews:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me;come and kill him; (Sahih Muslim 41.6985, 41.6981, 41.6982, 41.6983, 41.6984)
at November 8, 2006 6:13 PM
"And then? Do you get to live it? In Islam, there is no freedom. You are only free to enter it, but you are not free to leave it."
...sounds like the MAFIA to me!
at November 8, 2006 6:19 PM
This is not illogical. The miscreant writer is simply pointing out what we all already know: a "moderate" muslim is an apostate.
I’d argue that the Bible readers are the ‘purer’ Christians, as the message is not filtered through a third person or organization.
That's perfectly reasonable as well. These would be the fundamentalist Christians, because they are building their theology directly from the sources, i.e. the Bible, and not populist church culture of the sort that results in fluffy sentimentalism or used car sales.
Fortunately fundamental Christianity is harmless, since the logical outworking of the new testament sources is Mother Teresa, missionary surgeons and relief efforts. Not true for the Koran and Hadith.
Posted by: Clive at November 8, 2006 6:36 PM
Also IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH because that's one of the most ignorant sounding things I've ever read.
Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 8, 2006 6:37 PM
For the record; my comment is in no way meant to imply anything negative against organized religions or those who follow them, simply to point out my opinion that a those who follow the Islamic texts 'by the book' cannot be called 'extremists'.
Posted by: limes at November 8, 2006 6:55 PM
Understood. I'm responsible for the editorializing.
Posted by: Clive at November 8, 2006 6:59 PM
Let me get this straight...
Islam is like the Hotel California...
But without the sheets turned down...
Or a mint on the pillow...
(My apologises to Don Henley and the Eagles).
Posted by: SCV at November 8, 2006 7:38 PM
Limes: "There are Christians who go to services regularly that don’t have Bibles in the pews. There are others who never go to church but read and believe the teachings of the Bible. I’d argue that the Bible readers are the ‘purer’ Christians, as the message is not filtered through a third person or organization."
That idea is blown out of the water when you consider the actions of some people who never went to church and just read the Bible. Remember Charles Manson? He read the Book of Revelations and decided that it was time to start the Apocalypse by killing famous people like Sharon Tate and her guests one fateful night in Hollywood. Seems to me if his "interpretation" had been filtered by someone with authority then maybe he wouldn't have been able to come to the bizarre conclusion he did.
By that line of reasoning, one can say that people who read Grey's Anatomy at home are probably better than those who read it and go to university to learn surgical procedures. By whom would you prefer to remove your appendix - the former or the latter?
Clive: "That's perfectly reasonable as well. These would be the fundamentalist Christians, because they are building their theology directly from the sources, i.e. the Bible, and not populist church culture of the sort that results in fluffy sentimentalism or used car sales.
Fortunately fundamental Christianity is harmless, since the logical outworking of the new testament sources is Mother Teresa, missionary surgeons and relief efforts."
Odd. Last I heard Mother Teresa was not a fundamentalist Christian. She was Roman Catholic.
Posted by: atheling at November 8, 2006 7:49 PM
Off topic:
Bridges TV picked up as a free service
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 8, 2006 7:50 PM
The Godzilla analogy is a good one. And when you're attacked by Godzilla, you don't call animal control or animal rights orgs., you call King Kong.
Posted by: Balrog at November 8, 2006 8:26 PM
Atheling; The comment jumped into my head when the word ‘pure’ came up in the heading. It was probably sparked by my domestic situation, because my spouse and I are on different sides of the ‘organizational’ fence, and the issue has been the topic of many discussions. I regret the use of the word ‘flock’, it was a poor choice of words.
But I disagree with your premise in a larger sense. I went to a large, state university and took a US History course. My professor was (again no kidding) the President of the American Communist Party. Because he was so over the top, it was pretty easy to filter his biases and this is an extreme example. But not all ‘leaders’ are so blatant. And anybody who wants to honestly study US History should spend $5 for a copy of the Federalist Papers, and download the Constitution, etc, etc.
The potential problem with all organizations is that they are run by people, some of which have unstated agendas. The nice thing about root texts, is that they can be used to dispel agendas and ambitions (and CAIR’s nonsense as well). This site is a refreshing example.
at November 8, 2006 8:29 PM
I just want to alert people about "A Khokar" and his comments here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013958.php#comments
Instead of addressing Islam he is focusing on trying to discredit Christianity (which whatever you believe about that topic is besides the point since its Islam that is telling every muslim to kill us).
To A_Kokar please come clean if you are a muslim and we can discuss your "faith".
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 8, 2006 8:32 PM
Not that I beleive in evolution, but I do beleive in the the part that says that that which doesn't kill you makes you sdtronger- Jihadis, go counter to the theory of evolution, they're a self destructing organization & given enough time, will kill themselves off- what we've got to do is to somehow get the different terrorists organizations fighting one another insteado f the innocents outside their vile beleifs. Everybodies project for the weekend is to come up with a plan to accomplish this. I hear that secretly the President of Iran calls Hizbollah filthy monkey/pigs- just a rumor, but run with it.
Christian news and commentary at: sacredscoop.com ...
Posted by: CottShop at November 8, 2006 8:49 PM
We need some more attacks so that the sheeple among us can wake up and smell the jihad. Go for it, Musa. Attack us again, only this time make it a Juniour NDP meeting in McGill university, or a crowd of fluff-headed celebrities on the red carpet. Maybe if the apologists get hit, they'll join the rest of us in condemning this ideology
Posted by: Saltwater_Nomad at November 8, 2006 9:27 PM
After the atrocities perpretrated on the children of Beslan, it is a mystery to me that there are still any mohamedans in the FSU who still are permitted to breathe, how much the less to spew their filth.
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 8, 2006 10:36 PM
The absolute best movie parallel to Creeping Islamism is "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." Either the 1950s one with Kevin McCarthy or the remake with Donald Sutherland. I admit that I have only seen parts of the Sutherland version.
Posted by: Pelayo at November 8, 2006 10:42 PM
Not that I beleive in evolution, but I do beleive in the the part that says that that which doesn't kill you makes you sdtronger- Jihadis, go counter to the theory of evolution, they're a self destructing organization & given enough time, will kill themselves off- what we've got to do is to somehow get the different terrorists organizations fighting one another insteado f the innocents outside their vile beleifs. Everybodies project for the weekend is to come up with a plan to accomplish this.
I have a plan :-) Let's encourage Israel and Serbia BOTH to join the EU.. hehehe.. That's cause them all a lot of consternation!
at November 8, 2006 10:45 PM
After the atrocities perpretrated on the children of Beslan, it is a mystery to me that there are still any mohamedans in the FSU who still are permitted to breathe, how much the less to spew their filth.
Posted by: Infidel33
VERY well-said indeed.. The same Russkis who killed a Japanese Sushi Chef in Moscow after their team lost to Japan in the 2002 World Cup can't exhibit that same rage when it comes to something that is actually serious and worthy of a fight!!
They killed 15 Germans at the Synagogue in Tunisia and we did nothing either.. so.. I won't point the finger.
Next time.. no predicitions.
They killed hundreds in Madrid London and Mumbai. What was the reaction of the people??
Next time.. no mercy.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 8, 2006 10:49 PM
Robert Spencer
Read it all. It's fractured English, but nonetheless illuminating.
Yes it is illuminating,in fact there are a lot of illuminating snippets to be found at this site.
A two months ago there was rioting in Northern Russia,and all the Russian and Western media where labelling it as Race Riots.
A few days ago there was a small mention on the BBC about the town ( Kondopoga ) where the riots took place.
They attacked businesses belonging to anyone without a white skin. Many people fled the town, fearing for their lives.
Almost 50 of them ended up at a house in Petrozavodsk, some 60km away. From the outside, it looks like any of the surrounding homes. It is tucked away down a dirt road away from the town centre.
It is the local mosque. Not an old sanatorium a few kilometres outside Petrozavodsk,like the media has be reporting.
It is becoming obvious that many in Russia are now taking the law into their own hands,and they want the muslims out
This is from the Kavkaz Center Site
"Russia's patriots" and residents in a northern Russian town clashed with riot police and destroyed a restaurant, activists and witnesses said.
Thousands of people gathered Saturday in the center of Kondopoga, about 600 miles (965 kilometers) north of Moscow, and demanded police expel Chechens and other Muslims from Russia's Northern Caucasus or investigate them for criminal ties.
The fighting came days after a fight between ethnic Russians and ethnic Chechens left at least two people dead.
Russia has seen a marked rise in Islamophobia in recent years, with a series of attacks on "internal refugees" from the Russian-occupied Caucasus Muslim states.
Authorities officially do little or nothing to combat crimes against Muslims. Bur the Russian terrorist organization FSB (former KGB) secretly promotes and finance violence against Muslim by creating, supporting an financing proxy groups of "Russia's patriots".
Because of the Jihad in the Caucasus, Chechens and members of other Muslim people from the North Caucasus have become particularly vulnerable to persecution from FSB-financed and inspired gangs of so called "patriots".
Police denied any serious disturbances had taken place in the past week.
"Russia's patriots" travelled to the remote town amid calls from anti-immigrant groups to attack migrants from the Caucasus.
A group of Russian and Chechen men clashed earlier this week at a Chechen-owned restaurant called Chaika, resulting in the deaths of at least two Russian men.
Yevgeny Zhuralyov, a duty officer with the regional Interior Ministry, said two people were killed in the fight on Wednesday and several were wounded.
Dozens of residents and FSB-backed "Russia's patriots" descended on Kondopoga over the course of the week, and late Friday groups attacked the restaurant with metal bars and firebombs and fought with riot police. Several Chechens and other Caucasus migrants were injured.
Alexander Potkin, a leader with the Russian Movement Against Illegal Immigration patriotic group, is a Russian Jew and a "batman" of the former KGB--backed Pamyat Society chief Dmitry Vasilyev. He now uses a Russian-sounding name of "Alexander Belov" for his "political activity" to hide his identity without officially chaging his name with the police. He told the AP by telephone from Kondopoga that people attacked the restaurant after the burial of the Russians killed earlier in the week.
The mob later destroyed a bazaar run mainly by Chechens, the Interfax news agency reported, citing an unnamed official in the town administration. Police reinforcements were being sent to Kondopoga, Interfax said.
Zhuralyov refused to give any more information on the events Friday.
Young men were running through town yelling racist slogans, looking for apartments and businesses owned by Chechens and other Muslims from the Caucasus, and burning them down.
A statement posted on the Web site for the Russian Movement Against Illegal Immigration called for volunteers to travel to Kondopoga to support local residents. Another patriotic Web site said volunteers should to try forcibly expel Chechens and other Caucasus Muslims from the region.
Potkin claimed that many Kondopoga residents considered the Chechens to be criminals and that the fight earlier this week at the restaurant was "the straw that broke the camel's back."
Thousands of residents rallying in a town square Saturday afternoon demanded that the goods bazaar be shut down and turned over to local residents, and that police expel or investigate the backgrounds of all Muslims for possible criminal ties, Russian news media reported.
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2006/09/03/5471.shtml
at November 8, 2006 10:50 PM
This website just chugs ahead, despite the election furor, barely acknowledging the latter. That's dedication.
Posted by: Benjamin
More than anything that's common sense. From an anti-jihadist's perspective this election is meaningless. Ok, so Bush gets a liberal Congress and now he can pass illegal alien amnesty. Big Whoop!
I ain't worried bout no damn Mexicans.
I worry about middle easterners.. islamo-fascists.. mosk-builders [for which they'll hire cheap Mexian labor no doubt].. I worry about the Fifth Column already here in the United States!
Has either of the "two" "parties" discussed any of these issues? Methinks not!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 8, 2006 10:58 PM
Off topic:
Bridges TV picked up as a free service
Ummah News Links
Posted by: ummahnewslinks
NOT Off topic at all afik.. Thanks for posting that. When I get cable I'll have to make sure they don;t try and slip that in with my se4rvice. I;d hate to fund such garbage.
Where can someone like me see their [Bridges TV] financiasl and tax data? Is there a Freedom of Information Act we can use for that? I want insight into how they finance these things. And why would cable pick this up anyway? They are making Americans pay to watch Tokyo Rose. SHAME!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 8, 2006 11:03 PM
It is becoming obvious that many in Russia are now taking the law into their own hands,and they want the muslims out
GOOD!!! I am glad to see the Russians are deciding to be good role models for the rest of us Europeans.
at November 8, 2006 11:06 PM
DeutscherinAmerika
Es hilft uns ueberhaupt nicht, wenn sie soetwas schreiben. Vigilantismus is nicht was wir unterstuetzen sollen!
Posted by: Lili at November 9, 2006 12:14 AM
VERY well-said indeed.. The same Russkis who killed a Japanese Sushi Chef in Moscow after their team lost to Japan in the 2002 World Cup can't exhibit that same rage when it comes to something that is actually serious and worthy of a fight!!
Posted by: germaninamerica
You are missing quite a lot.
As you can see in my last post the whole town of
Kondopoga was cleared of muslims yet the Russian media presented these events almost exclusively in terms of racial conflicts,and the blame is being put onto ultra-nationalists and neo-Nazis.
Posters that can be seen on the Moscow metro
http://enews.ferghana.ru/article.php?id=1415
Posted by: shiva
at November 9, 2006 12:28 AM
limes:
I understand your comment. However I fear that your bias against "organizations" blinds you to the good that can come from them as well. Not always, but sometimes.
If it were not for "organized" religion we wouldn't have universities (in the Western sense) or hospitals or charities.
Having a centralized "command", so to speak, keeps the mission and focus clear. Otherwise you have rogue cults (remember Jim Jones et al?) with twisted messages.
Just trying to point out the other side of the coin.
Posted by: atheling at November 9, 2006 1:43 AM
Aethling; Perhaps we can agree on this one. When organizations are based on solid moral foundations, they stand up to inspection by a democratic society. Most modern religions seem to pass this test (including the one my family attends), at least as far as I can tell.
But Islam does not, as it is a system specifically designed to subjugate and conquer other peoples. And a close inspection of its foundation by Western societies can cause its foundation to crumble.
Posted by: limes at November 9, 2006 12:32 PM
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