Sorry for going OT so early in this thread, but here is a great post from Sir Henry Morgan at gandalf-reconquista blog spot on just how dangerous the dawa is for the females in your life.

Lock up your wives, daughters and sisters the muslims are comming.

http://gandalf-reconquista.blogspot.com/

Posted by: km at November 9, 2006 8:15 AM

Unani medicine practioners are often mullahs
So it does not surprise me that Unani doctors are involved in Jihad
Unani is islamic arabic medicine. They use arabic translations of Galen and other ancient Greek and Roman doctors
Ordinary muslims go to regular doctors
Only hard core mullah types go to Unani doctors
Unani is muslim traditional medicine
Hindu traditional medicine is Ayurveda

Posted by: Shyamsunder at November 9, 2006 8:15 AM

if India were ahead of the game, they would outlaw islam, and expell those who want to practice being muslim to pakiland. we dont have the border killings like India since it was partioned off. soIndia is unique to us and needs to be more offensive. and when its done in India and will catch on with the rest of the world. India would get a lot of flak, but am l wishing upon a star?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 9, 2006 8:16 AM

Wonderful. It figures Islamania has to ape ALL things Nazi, including having doctors more interested in killing than healing. Josef Mengele would be proud of this bunch.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 9, 2006 8:20 AM

Well Zena Princess,
The US govt refused Visa to Narendra Modi, who wanted to attend a Patel Hotel convention
Narendra Modi used islamic methods on muslims

Posted by: Shyamsunder at November 9, 2006 8:24 AM

if India were ahead of the game, they would outlaw islam, and expell those who want to practice being muslim to pakiland. we dont have the border killings like India since it was partioned off. soIndia is unique to us and needs to be more offensive.

Sorry to be one to break this to you honey, but India is one of the most unblieveable of Dhimmi countries in the world. 0.6 million Kashmiri Hindus have been driven out of Kashmir since 1989 while secular India continues to watch. Just this may 38 Hindu villagers were massacred in Kashmir. Whats more Dhimmi politicos in Indian state of West Bengal have granted a sort of amnesty to illegal Muslim immigrants from Bangladesh (India has 20 million Illegal Bangladeshis). Whats more 'Secular' India grants its 'loyal' Muslims $250 million Haj Subsidy (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_subsidy ).

Hindus are too fragmented on caste and ethno-linguistic lines to form an effective political majority. Politicians end up panmdering to 16% Muslim population.

As for the deportation, Indians missed the chance back in 1947. India has 150-160 million Muslims how many will you deport? Beyond bare minimum effort required to retain Kashmir, Indian politicians dont give two hoots for fighting Islamic Jehad. Whats more most Hindus brainwashed by pinko media and education system grow up oblivious to the threat.

India in essense is a low hanging fruit about to be swept by the tide of Islam.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at November 9, 2006 8:41 AM

Shyamsunder,

Its really sick of you to support Narendra Modi. He has blood on his hands. The fact that his victims were Muslims doesnt make his crimes less severe.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar at November 9, 2006 8:42 AM

Well, just as Islam doesn't have the Golden Rule, they don't have Hyppocrites' Oath either.

India in essense is a low hanging fruit about to be swept by the tide of Islam.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 9, 2006 08:41 AM

Shyamsunder,
Its really sick of you to support Narendra Modi. He has blood on his hands. The fact that his victims were Muslims doesnt make his crimes less severe.
Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 9, 2006 08:42 AM

Make up your mind - should Muslims be made to fear for their safety and leave for Islamic lands, or no? Narendra Modi didn't carry out any riots against Muslims - Muslims first lit up that train at Godhra, expecting that there would be no repercussions, and there were. Narendra Modi didn't stop Hindus from reacting, but then again, he didn't stop that train attack either. So how is he the one with blood on his hands?

Besides, as a result of that, most Muslims avoid Gujarat like the plague, and do their stuff in Malegaon, instead. Is it Modi's responsibility to see that Gujjus continue to be at the receiving end?

Keeping him out of the US was the handiwork of John Conyors, who did so at the behest of CAIR. Anybody who thought that CAIR's intimidation tactics were restricted to the US. In any case, Modi had the last laugh, since his hosts arranged to have him deliver the keynote speech through video conferencing.

If only every minister in India - state and national - was like him. Sans the beard.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 9, 2006 10:01 AM

Robert: After inferring that a vote for the Democrats in the US would be bad for the war on terror, you have been very quiet after the recent Democrat wins in the house and senate. Even Rumsfeld’s replacement hasn’t been mentioned by you.
Rumsfeld’s list of mistakes: http://www.slate.com/id/2153319/nav/tap1/
Robert: You injected partisan Republican politics into your analysis of the war on terror. You have let your desire to see the Republican Party remain in power cloud good tactical judgement. Irrespective of whether one approves of the Iraq war, the formation of US strategic policy has been an unmitigated disaster. Frankly, it is in everyone’s interests (the US nation and the republican party) to force the Republican party into an electoral defeat in order to change our tactics in the ME.
You were prepared to promote the republicans (through fear mongering against the democrats), even though the GOP have been inept in their execution of this war.
You did not serve the interests of the US people, just the Republican party.

Posted by: protectalbion at November 9, 2006 10:04 AM

Shyamsunder, it was not America that denied visa to Modi, so to speak. Much more to it than meets the eye. The leftists and bleeding hearts brigade of India have a vice like grip on American policy makers. English speaking people form their opinions based on pc English media.

On the one hand, hindutvavadis thunder and bluster about the "greatness of Hinduism" (fact is we are basking in the reflected glory of our Vedic Ancestors' Heritage..only very few have internalised Vedantha which is no narrow *ism*, but I digress).So if x or y is denied visa, accepting the denial with equanimity and grace is becoming of a true Hindu.

Vikrant, no one need feel guilty about "supposed blood of muslims" on one's hands. When muslims slaughter Hindus, Jews, Christians etc, it was ascribed to *inshaallah*. Naturally whatever befalls them is very much INshaAllah! "As you sow, so you reap". Hindus have always been their own enemies due to this misplaced compassion. Exorcise this gandhi ghost from our mindset.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 9, 2006 10:08 AM

"Narendra Modi didn't carry out any riots against Muslims - Muslims first lit up that train at Godhra,..... Is it Modi's responsibility to see that Gujjus continue to be at the receiving end"?

Thank you IPride.Rightly put.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 9, 2006 10:13 AM

ZenaWarriorPrincess
India would have tried and tested a thousand scenarios to tackle the jihadi menace in its midst had it not been for the fact of the high geopolitical stakes in the oil-rich Persian Gulf. Majority Indians down the years, and even now, see the US as the biggest supporter of Pakistan. Various officials of the US have repeatedly threatened India with dire action should it try out a hard option against Pakistan. The 1971 War, which achieved freedom for Bangladesh from a genocidal West Pakistan regime, was fought against flamboyant opposition from Nixon-Kissinger, who sent the US 6th fleet in the Bay of Bengal to threaten India! The current Congress Party leaders are seen to be mere puppets who are incapable of independent action. Everyday they issue appeasement statements with the coming State elections in mind!

'India in essense is a low hanging fruit about to be swept by the tide of Islam.'

But I am not too pessimistic about the future of India. This is because repeatedly India has called the jihadi bluff and soundly defeated them. I live in India and I see the future very clearly, and I know that the jihadis and the SIMIans have shown their hand to openly, riding on the Paki-Taliban-Al Qaida bluster, and their time is up! The Hindus are reviled right and left for their seeming pusillanimity in facing the jihadi threat, but I see that as a matter of perspective. It is only the Delhi cabal and the Communist politicians who have formed a wall of protection on behalf of the jihadis for fear of losing elections and also in the face of international pressure. India is as if not more dependent on the Gulf Oil as the Western nations!

As for Narendra Modi, it is my perception that Godhra was a test for the Hindus of India coming from the jihadis, and had it not been strongly answered, Gujarat was the next in line for terrorist mayhem, being a border State. Pakistan, and even Musharraf, was very very quiet for a long time, as was Faroukh Abdullah who was the BJP alliance partner in Kashmir at the time. Sonia Gandhi's Congress Party has a strong presence in Gujarat, but such was the Hindu ire at the time, that the Congressmen were also seen supporting the Hindu rioters. This is what happens when appeasement is taken too far, so that neither the jihadis, nor those who creamed them were afraid of the government apparatus! But it is old hat for the jihadis to provoke Hindus into raw retaliation, and then make room for their Human Rights and Minority Rights allies to go to town against the majority community. It was the Ummah in the UK and US that really got into the act that time. Surprisingly enough, Narendra Modi is seen by majority Indians as a saviour of Hindus. The thinking is that enough Hindu blood has been split already by the terrorists sheltered by the 'moderate' Muslims, and name-calling against Hindu leaders is not going to get much support in India. Especially not after 7/11, when the MSM has suddenly changed its tune, as evidenced in the report cited above.

The writing is on the wall.

As for Malegaon, this is another instance of the frenzy of the jihadis killing Muslims. After all, such acts effectively defuse the demographic threat.

Vikrant_Camberleykar! Which International leader at the time of writing would you consider with the cleanest hands in the face of Islamic jihad? Give us your opinion of Bush in Iraq for starters. Following your strange line of thinking, would Hamid Gul of Pakistan have the cleanest hands, since the blood staining them is mostly Hindu?

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 10:16 AM

pagandkapitat,

A laterally thinking Indian wrote:

If India had not interfered in 1971 in the name of rescuing (fiery Bengali speaking mujibur rehmanss were courted passionately for the umpteenth time as erstwhile "brothers") the sectarian wars between pukis and beggardeshis would have undone entire undivided pukisthan bringing total ruin, economically too. Pro KGB indira (Khan) gandhi's adventurism wrought chaos for India and soured relations with America who are our NATURAL allies. India never understands realpolitik. Exchange of population was wantonly done shoddily by masochistic, muslim adoring gandhi,nehru etc.

India, with such facile nonchalance ought not to blame everything on Americans and British.If I were to amplify more I would be labelled as "unpatriotic" (sic) by pavlovian ill informed Indians.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 9, 2006 10:37 AM

Fact is Hindus CANnot coexist with muslims, as inherently islam is inimical to Hindu culture and religion. Why make a fetish of this unity? All muslims should be deported to muslim countries like saudi arabia, afghanisthan etc.

High time, they take charge of their own lives and fate.Inimical parasites.Ditto for leftists who are their natural allies.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 9, 2006 10:44 AM

americaningermany is right on (as usual) --Robert Spencer is a SCHOLAR who has dedicated his life to the study of this evil called Islamofascism. His duty is to his work and anyway he has a right to his own views. As for his scholarship its ROCK SOLID --he never NEVER lets any bias creep into his work. I checked out several facts in his politically incorrect guide to Islam and they all check out perfectly. I have the University of Toronto library system at my disposable here (the largest library in Canada, the fifth largest in North America).
He is meticulous in his work.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 9, 2006 10:55 AM

Anyway as Glenn Beck so aptly pointed out last night: this was NOT about being liberal it was about
telling Bush/republicans not to forget their conservative roots since they were acting like democrats (big spending big govt etc) according to him.

Once things balance out the Republicans will once again regain everything. The vast majority of americans are basically decent middle class hardworking democratic (and yes Christian for you antichristian bigots out there) people. And such people like small govt and small govt spending. They want to have money to give to their children.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 9, 2006 11:00 AM

Crows&Cows

One little fact you overlooked was that millions of refugees had streamed into India during the genocide, forcing India's hand at the time, because it was incapable of taking care of them for a prolonged period of time. That one time they were all sent back!

Secondly, this is how the genocide went: First the Hindus, then the Biharis (Muslims) and lastly the East Pakistanis!!!

Interestingly, 90,000 Pakistani soldiers had surrendered to India at the end of the war. No, there were no killings and genital mutilations unfortunately, and what happened was that they were returned to Pakistan without undue delay, since India had insufficient resources at the time to feed them for even 10 days! So they signed the Shimla agreement and forgot about it until the next agreement was signed, the Lahore agreement, at the same time that Musharraf was planning the Kargill misadventure against India!

All that happened after 1971 was that the Pakistanis swore that they would eat grass but develop a Bomb of their own, the Islamic Bomb! Secondly, they also swore to bleed India through a thousand cuts, which they have been doing for more than 2 decades.

As always, India continues the victim of all the failed states on its borders.

Your brief on behalf of the West is rather unconvincing. You cannot be so high on invective against Indians without a prescription of your own. What will you have done to the 150 million Muslims to change the destiny of India? Please enlighten us this once.

Lastly, Allah always intervenes on behalf of Pakistan! First, with the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan, when its stock shot sky high as the frontline US partner as the Cold War turned on the jihadi heat against Moscow.

The next time, Musharraf was in the doghouse as the military dictator of the rogue nuclear State, and 9/11 happened. That turned him into the Blue Eyed darling of the US, as the frontline partner in the War Against Terror! Never mind Kashmir.

Then there was the great earthquake, and all the banned Islamic charities opened their floodgates with jihadi aid for the victims, not to mention kaffir aid.

Allah Saves!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 11:08 AM

Re: India: Unani doctors linked to jihad

Actually, I'm not so sure these guys aren't typical to the medical profession, and along with lawyers they make quite a group.

Posted by: Frank at November 9, 2006 11:19 AM

pagandkapitat,

I am not answerable for all the acts of omission and commission of Indian politicians. Let us take care of the present,the "clear and present" danger with calibrated wisdom.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 9, 2006 11:19 AM

Robert,

Someone posted a comment above stating you have been very quiet about the elections here and liberals taking over Congress. I too, would very much like to hear your thoughts and assessments on this issue, although I don't agree with what that person wrote above. Your opinions on Islam and how it relates to politics here are important to us readers of Jihad Watch, and help us to make the right decisions on such issues.

Respectfully yours,
Bonnie

Posted by: Bonniea at November 9, 2006 11:43 AM

Bonnie and protectalbion:

I know Robert is very capable of speaking for himself, but he has, on many occasions, criticized Bush's "war on terror" and Condie Rice's helmsmanship. But the out-and-out appeasers and apologists for jihad on the Democratic side, past and present, makes the Bush Republican administration look good.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 9, 2006 12:44 PM

The USA and other non-Islamic nations should pass a law: all patients have the right to know if it is a Muslim doctor who will be treating them PRIOR to the medical procedure, and if it turns out the MD IS Muslim the patient should have the right to demand another non-Muslim medical professional immediately.

A few years ago I remember there was a woman in the United States who was operated on and the M.D. who performed the surgery carved his initials on her stomach. It was never reported if the doctor was a Muslim or not, but he was clearly south Asian so I have my suspicions!

Posted by: pythagoras at November 9, 2006 2:06 PM

pagandkapitat:

It is true that the United States is supporting Pakistan. But on 9-11 the United States nearly declared war on Pakistan, so I think you have not thought this all the way through. Pakistan and America will never be friends; it is an ideological impossibility (thanks to the Kuran).

The USA is an infidel state to Pakistan's eyes (and the Islamosphere's eyes) and is the primary target of global jihad today (possibly even more than Israel is). Surely you do not think Americans would be quite so naive as to dally with an ideology that has their destruction (and the destruction of democracy) on its agenda and has already visited unspeakable horrors (like 9-11)upon them?

If the United States fell to Islam, Islam would automatically become the most important force in history. The Islamosphere is well aware of this and is plotting accordingly. Yes, we all know that Pakistan is one of the headquarters of much of the global jihad. America is not engaging Pakistan at the moment with hostility for the simple reason that in dealing with enemy states the carrot should come before the stick and enemy states should dealt with first in a non-hostile manner if only to obtain as much information as possible from them. America's historical experience with Islam is limited at best--we need more information about it in order to handle itmor effectively if we hope to combat and defeat its jihad wars. After all,our nation's future depends on it as much as India's.

America could go to war with Pakistan tomorrow if it wanted. But would that be the most intelligent way to handle this country right now? Possibly not. We may not know enough about the way it operates in order to defeat it--at least as things stand now. After all, on 9-11, the USA almost went to war with Pakistan.

9-11 in part came out of Pakistan, which of course is one al-Qaeda's primary global headquarters (in fact, al-Qaeda was founded in Pakistan in 1988 by a Palestinian). Al-Qaeda has repeatedly threatened Americans with a nuclear holocaust. So Indians need not feel the United States has a soft spot for Pakistan. It does NOT! Its dealing with Pakistan are primarily strategic in nature. You know, if America hadn't intervened in the India-Pakistan standoff in recent years, the subcontinent might well have been a glass parking lot by now.

Indians need to keep in mind that the ENTIRE Islamic world threatens India, not only Pakistan. India has economic ties with Iran (headquarters to Hizbollah, the largest Islamic terror organization on earth and has murdered more people than al-Qaeda as well) and is planning top construct an oil pipeline from Iran to the subcontinent.

India's ties with Iran are potentially suicidal for India. I think for example, that Hizbollah guerillas have moved into Kashmir and killed Kashmiris there. Hizbollah has been reported to have located terrorist-training camps in South America (including Venezuela at the Paria Peninsula) and Mexico. Of course, Iran has threatened Israel and the western nations with nuclear attacks as well. If Iran's Hizbollah hasn't attacked India outright alreadym it almost certainly will. Hizbollah attacked on Argentina and will attack anywhere.

Why India continues to tango with a fanatically predatory, terrorism-sponsoring islamic country like Iran is less important that why India doesn't do more to combat global jihad. MAny other islamic nations aspire to become the next Iran (Indonesia possibly??).

But there are many other Islamic dangers to the world. Egypt is the homeland of the Muslims Brotherhood which sent members to Pakistan where they developed al-Qaeda to destroy India and the United States. Six Arab member states are now reported to be at work developing nuclear weapons.
And the list goes on.

India needs to come to grips with the hard fact that ALL Islamic nations are open-mouth disasters for humanity and then take commensurate responsibility in combating and eliminating them.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 9, 2006 2:43 PM

Mrs Service mans wife (American in Germany) displays the ideological blindness and stupidity of right wingers.

I don't doubt for a moment that Muslims voted THIS TIME for Democrats, but you are either ignorant or chose to forget that Grover Abdullah Norquist proudly pronounced in 2000 that it was the Muslim vote that made Bush president..

Gays, feminists and labors voted for Clinton, then he set about betraying his base, in fact gauging his presidency on his actions and not words or perceptions he was a pro business moderate Republican..and Reagan, by the way, was a left wing big government socialist, both as governor of California and President of the U.S.

In fact Dubya, based on deeds not perceptions, is a big government slave of spend and spend corporations. The man and his party did absolutely nothing for the military (except to send them into harms way) and absolutely nothing for the middle class, except to attack them and weaken them.

And a pox on cultural conservatives.. there is no significant difference in attitude, beliefs and mindset between "cultural conservatives" and Islamics.

The world that Pat Robertson, Dobson, Fartwell, Limpballs, Oreilly et al would inflict on us is in essence not much different than the mullahcracy of Iran. What keeps them civilized and in their place is the fact that America is a secular democracy, and no one religion dominates.

Posted by: Nariz at November 9, 2006 6:01 PM

Pythagoras

What I wrote is the way it is in India for now! India is actively constrained by the US and allies in acting independently against its western neighbour who is the proven threat. The second threat is Saudi Arabia, with massive funding for madrassas throughout India. The threat from Iran is also being clearly acknowledged. India is a democratic country currently in a foreign policy about turn, in close military alliance with the US! It is also constrained by the current Communist alliance in the Central government, especially on policy perspectives related to both Iran and Bangladesh! The shenanighans of the likes of Rice and foreign policy cohorts in Islamabad and Delhi, with arms twisting and exhortation to India to make concessions to the jihadis who are abetting violent crimes in India are not reported in the American media, obviously. These are sensitive issues in India. My reply is to those who berate India in ignorance for not hitting back at Pakistan. This is one are where the US policy and Indian interests do not seamless match. Indian security forces and innocent civilians continue to bear the brunt of Islamic Jihad as always. Also, bear it in mind that should India fall to jihadi designs or fragment and weaken, it will not take long for the US and allies to also keel over, given that the major force of jihad is absorbed by India (and Israel)!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 8:06 PM

Pythagoras

"India needs to come to grips with the hard fact that ALL Islamic nations are open-mouth disasters for humanity and then take commensurate responsibility in combating and eliminating them."

Don't we live it on a daily basis and pay for it with our lives? But it is Americans in fact who need to do what you suggest, since the US is the single architect of a flawed policy that has sought to contrive a parity of sorts between suicidal and destructive Pakistan on the one hand, and the miracle of hope and all-round progress that is India! This is why Musharraf has been demanding of the US parity in terms of a nuclear deal with Pakistan now, failing which, he has already begun successful negotiations with China for the same! It is this wrong policy that led to 9/11 in the first place, despite intelligence warnings for over a year, smug in its belief that Pakistan-sponsored Islamic jihad was something that India would absorb and protect rest of the world from.

Please don't tell us who our enemies and friends are, buddy, we can see for ourselves. Every time that an Indian steps into a suburban train to go to work, or in a market to do shopping, he and she are aware that they may not return home in a single piece!

And if the overseas war casualties since 1991 cost Bush an election, bear it in mind that India bears more casualties in a single year! We know about justice and fair play, and as Indians, we are aware that we have won our independence through sheer grit and determination, unsung, on a daily basis, without being the client state of any big brother, even while our integrity and sovereignty is undermined at every step by the global players on the one hand, and the jihadis and Maoists on the other!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 8:51 PM

-pagandkapitat,

In exactly how many countries does India have troops fighting jihadis? None you say? That's what I thought.

Quit whining and making excuses for the fact that your government in the war against the mohammedan savages basically has its thumb up its ass.

And please, try to come up something original as an excuse. "It's all America's fault that we don't do anything" is getting old. If mohammedans weren't killing Indians in India, would India be doing anything at all? Would India be helping America and Britain and all the other allies to do something about the islamaniacs? I doubt it. So save the complaining that we don't take y'all too seriously. Maybe you want to look at your own history before shitting on my country and blaming it for your nation's failings. Trust me, if you want to ride the anti-American blame train, I will make a special case of derailing you.

BTW-Won your independence through sheer grit and determination? Tell that to the British posters. Not to mention any Russians you meet, with whom your country was cozying up for a number of decades. Wasn't the first Indian in space sent up on a Soviet rocket? Shit like that may give you a clue as to why the US gov. looks at you sideways. Before you say "It's cuz America supported the Pakis!", save it. Heard it before. Doesn't change the fact that y'all were in bed with people pointing thousands of nuclear weapons at us. Doesn't change the fact that the US can't fight all the mohammedans at once, but at least it's doing more than the Indian government. Blaming us isn't going to help you, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm so sick of hearing that crap it might just make you some enemies.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 9, 2006 9:24 PM

Before I get any flak from the other Indian posters on this site, the ones who can see this as a war between humans and mohammedans, understand that the above post was in answer to yet another poster from India who can't seem to defend his country without attacking mine. Far too much of that shit goes on here and I'm beyond tired of it. Some people seem to be under the impression that its okay to defend their own country around here but the US doesn't deserve like consideration. I guarantee, if someone wants to shit on my country, I can dig up more than enough on wherever that person is from to make that country look a hundred times worse by comparison. Best thing is to not even do it in the first place. Keep your focus on the Mo-worshipping barbarians. You'll be much happier for it.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 9, 2006 9:42 PM

Eisenhund

This is a very long haul and you are already tired?

For your information, India has acively fought jihad almost since it began in earnest in Makkah!

Then again, since 1930, when the idea of Pakistan was first mooted.

Then, at the time of partition of India, when rivers of blood flowed across its eastern and western borders, and not many Muslims from inside of India left for Pakistan!

Then again, through 3-4 official wars, including Kargil and an on-going undeclared war, while the US keeps supplying hi-tech weapons and military aid to a known jihadi and rogue nuclear-terrorist State whose avowed aim is to Islamise India!

This is from the first question on your first post. Seeing the level of ignorance you display, I won't even bother with the rest!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 10:22 PM

Grassroots hindu reaction in Modi regime of Gujurat
"-Short, stocky, and balding, Babubhai Rajabhai Patel can pass off as a normal, middle-class trader. Only, he isn't one. Babu Bajrangi, as Patel likes to be called, says he runs an NGO, Navchetan Sangathan. Sitting in his 'office' in Ajanta Ellora Complex in Naroda in Ahemdabad, Bajrangi is surrounded by images of RSS ideologues KS Hedgewar and Guru Golwalkar, a map of Akhand Bharat, and his own photographs, with politicians or in public meetings.

Bajrangi claims to be a social worker. "I rescue Hindu women who are lured by Muslims. I hate such marriages." As soon as Bajrangi gets to know of any such union, he kidnaps and sends the girl back home; and beats up the Muslim boy. "It's fun. Only last week, we made one such man eat his own shit thrice," he says. Bajrangi's operation is ruthless and effective. He claims to have 'saved' 725 Hindu women this way. And what about the law? "What I do is illegal, but it is moral. And anyway, the government is ours."

Perhaps that is the reason that Bajrangi, chief accused in the Naroda Patiya murder case (during the Gujarat carnage), is out on the streets and not behind bars. "People say I killed 123 people," says Bajrangi with a grin. Did you? "How does it matter? They were Muslims - bloody Pakistanis. They had to die. They are dead."

"The government is ours." Few will doubt Bajrangi's claim"

Posted by: Shyamsunder at November 9, 2006 10:27 PM

"Shyamsunder,

Its really sick of you to support Narendra Modi. He has blood on his hands. The fact that his victims were Muslims doesnt make his crimes less severe.

Posted by: Vikrant_Camberleykar "

What crimes ? He has "blood on his hands " for not allowing the police to shoot the Hindus ? Vikrant, for 1300 years, we have been on the losing side, just because of our high moral grounds, our human values. We have lost Gandhar, and West Punjab, and East Bengal, simply because we were too human. How many times did Prithviraj Chauhan defeat muhammad gauree ? 16, or was it 17 times ? And each time gauree threw himself at his feet and asked for mercy. He was forgiven. What did gauree do to Chauhan the 18th time when he won over him ?

Buddy, there is no humane solution to jihad, the war that is on since 624, that has wiped out several cultures. Either be prepared for a lot of "blood on hands", or stop griping about the jihad.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at November 9, 2006 10:32 PM

Pythagoras.

I was planning to continue the conversation when Eisenhund intervened with his brash invective.

India is the largest democracy in the world, and freedom is very dear to the heart of Indians. They are not programmable entities to be twisted and turned this way and that, with Big Brother telling them who are their friends and enemies now and then!

Nothing has changed on the ground for Indians, only their worst fears are coming true with the mayhem of jihad spreading its tentacles all over the world!

Indians have always sought friendship with the US, and this is a matter of record, from the times of Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Vajpayee and now to Manmohan Singh. At the same time, we are not isolated from our milieu with oceans separating us from the neighbourhood that is constantly kept on the boil through misconceived policies!

Lastly, please note we are all of us, East and West, culpable for errors of judgment and acts of commission and omission that have led to the present endgame scenario! We're in this together, and there must be no holier-than-thou dictating of policies across vastly different survival interests. You want to be friends, come as equals ready for a give and take. Or Indians will understand more clearly the natural basis for the unequal US partnerships with jihadi basket case states like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia!!! It is the West that has suddenly discovered the need for a strategic alliance with India, with its considerably experience of combatting the full thrust of jihad over decades without breaking up! We have no illusions, and will continue to fight our battles on our own strength the way we have in the last 2-3 decades.

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 10:33 PM

Syamsunder.

That was informative and effective! All Indians, high and low, educated or illiterate, westernised or orthodox, English-speaking or Sanskrit-speaking, have devised their own ways of combatting the menace of Jihad and protecting themselves and their motherland. This is what authentic freedom is about. Political ideas and alliances will come and go, but Hindus and their motherland will be there to the very last man! With patience, perseverence, persistence, through pain and anguish, poverty and wealth, through millennia. Those who recognise this as the hard fact and not mere poetry, see the truth of India!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 9, 2006 10:42 PM

-pagandkapitat,

You certainly are an arrogant little shit aren't you?

For one thing, I didn't say I was tired in the fight against mohammedans. As I'm sure a smartass punk like you has never seen them through rifle sights, I'd suggest you learn a little humility.

Secondly, it's laughable you calling me ignorant when you're too stupid to even read something you're trying to answer. I asked where India had troops fighting jihadis (the implication being other than India, apparently you don't have the IQ to figure that out on your own). You answered by mentioning actions occuring on Indian and Paki territory, you moron.

I'm sure you don't want to address any of the rest, and would just rather sit back with the tried and true "it's all America's fault" bullshit. But that's fine. Whether you want to admit it or not, you're going to need us a helluva lot more than we need you. You've been pretty useless up to now, and if people like you represent the larger population, I don't see that changing.

BTW-The condescension? You're new here, so I'd suggest you keep that to yourself. You've already demonstrated in a number of postings that you lack imagination and only regurgitate anti-American talking points. Typical behavior for a punk who's not half as smart as he thinks he is. By all means, however, keep posting your drivel. Keep reminding us why India has been sitting this one out. Keeping to itself. Whining and making excuses. Fortunately, I can tell the difference between those Indians who see the mohammedans as an international threat and reach out so we can all fight them together, and people like you, smug little pieces of shit who think everyone should go apologizing and begging to India to help you unfuck your own country.

You can't even take care of your own mohammedans and you think we should ask you for help?

Good one. Thanks for the laugh, jackass.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 9, 2006 11:19 PM

P.S.-I've already answered your insulting and condescending postings in kind. If you can post something rational without being an asshole, please do.

Otherwise, don't bother. If you're as arrogant as you came off before, you're really not worth the time.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 9, 2006 11:32 PM

On second thought, this thread's too dead to check any more.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 9, 2006 11:46 PM

Isn't this nariz a troll?

Pagandkapitat,

I don't doubt for a moment your love for India, democracy etc. However jettison the bilge fed to us in the form of history concocted by marxists. I am convinced you need to detoxify yourself of gandhi ghost.

We (Hindus)never got any freedom. Read Sri Aurobindo and other Sages' Writings. What freedom do I have in India? Till I came across this JW site..that too I type with a lot of trepidation.
Whatever Pythagoras , Eisenhund and Arjun have written are very true. KPS Gill explicitly states, repeatedly, India lacks the will and strategy to combat jihadists. "Its hysteria is followed by denial".

West is CERTAINLY not our enemy.It is islam and muslims, understand that. We Hindus are so ill informed about islam, embracing "ahimsa", which means "violent pacifism". Never doing the right thing at the right time. For toooooo long india was over pally with PLO and anti Israel but seeking their help in the sly. Indian politicians,pc media and policy makers are no angels but atrociously self congratulatory and holier-than-thou;) KGB (mitrokhin)archives have a telling remark
about Indian buraucrats and rulers:
"The entire country was for sale...".

With all credit due to Modi, he too is scared to mention the word islam. He generalizes "terrorism knows no religion". I have my fingers crossed.

Eisenhund:
" If mohammedans weren't killing Indians in India, would India be doing anything at all? Would India be helping America and Britain and all the other allies to do something about the islamaniacs? I doubt it".

Absolutely spot on. I completely agree there.
A Hindu businessman on his visit to India from China said "...we feel safer and are better looked after in China than in India". Need I say anything about Indian Hindus comfortably ensconced in America:)
Enough of this animosity towards West. Read Srimad Bhagavatham...Sri Mahavishnu (Lord Krishna) Incarnated Himself in California as Sage Kapila. When some Hindus carped to Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi (Thiruvannamalai) that He "favoured Westerners" He curtly pointed out :

"Look at their committment and sincerity..."

Ah...I digress again.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 10, 2006 2:02 AM

Eisenhund!

--Just your typical back ally bully, or maybe, a disguised Nazi!

There's no place I've uttered a single anti-Americanism. But you seem the counterpart of sudden jihad syndrome, the mirror image. American on-going aid to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is a well-documented fact, oft-commented upon on patriotic American sites.

You are not doing me any favor here. And your reaction to my contribution to the debate makes me wonder how far you may be from a right honest conversion yourself, for you seem to fit in well with the neo-convert bully profile! Too sensitive for your own good.

A perfect word comes to mind to describe you, much better and appropriate than what you have flung at me before departing in haste, but that would be an insult to my attentive hosts, Robert, Hugh and Marisol.

A real pity, Eisenhund, and I know that not all Americans are like you. I have lived many years in America, I love the Americans, and have many genuine friendships with Americans and Israelis lasting over several decades! But yours is a bad stereotype to offer in the current environment!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 10, 2006 2:05 AM

Crows&Cows, you presume a lot on my patience. I hope you will show some spine and stop currying favor by condemning Indians right and left. Eisenhund's stupid example shows that you are welcome only so long as you behave like a toady, but not if you offer any critique as an equal. But Robert, Hugh and most jihadwatch posters, like americaningermany here, are more evolved than that. Your oft-repeated bilge against Hindus makes me wonder if you are a smarter troll on this site than has been found out yet!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 10, 2006 2:12 AM

Pagandkapitat,

Let this not become a slanging match among( or between) us, as our adversary is the same-jihadist. Showering unalloyed praises on Indian politicians and appeasers is not my idea of solidarity or patriotism.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 10, 2006 2:25 AM

Crows&Cows
This is an international forum, and I hope the patriotic circumspection of Americans is not entirely lost on you! You want to engage in unalloyed India-bashing, it would be more welcome in India itself! There are times when you make a lot of sense, when you are on the middle ground. Frankness is one thing, and self-flagellation is quite another, although the Western world would not stop you if you were bashing India, and not highlighting how their policies are leading to the fall of India to Islamic jihad!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 10, 2006 2:39 AM

Pagandkapitat,

Frankly, I am more aware of state of affairs in India than anywhere else. You misconstrue it as "self flagellation"; if I insist on drinking boiled water and not straight from the tap, would you conclude I have insulted *the waters of India*?

Read Vikrant's first post. That is the current reality. India handed over a cheque for several millions of dollars to pukis right on the day of Mumbai train blast; India is besotted with jihadists infected cesspool called "bollywood"; india will never give up playing cricket with pukis.
'Piercing the corporate veil'...Daimler Co..recall..would India have the gumption to act likewise? Don't tell me America coerced India into conferring MFN (most fav nation) and several unilateral concessions. Jihadists are so interspersed and widespread in contemporary India, that analogy with cancer sounds anaemic. India's ndtv crew and leftists coerced Saudis (!!) into sparing the two eyes of a...hold your breath..mohammedan (indian keralite muslim) Ah, dhimmi india indeed! Or would you detect American influence there too:)

Do self respecting Hindus have any say in any matter be it education or anything. Rapidly breeding jihadists like *rakthabeejans* place enormous strain on our resources. A hell of a lot of fumigation is slated to happen in India.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 10, 2006 3:24 AM

Eisunhund, pagandkapitat,
Peace brothers ! Peace ! We are on the same side.

I just wonder if the people of Persia and the Byzantine empire threw abuses at each other when muhammad's army was marching towards them about a millenia ago.

Posted by: arjun.sevak at November 10, 2006 5:32 AM

Crows&Cows
This is my last post to you, because I don't wish to waste any further effort on self-appointed brown 'moderator' stooges like you slavering for approbation from the White master. I think you are a traitor who sees nothing good in India, and your opinions don't make the least bit of a difference to the reality out there. Nor do the Americans give a damn for your humbug self-righteous and jaundiced opinions. This is a serious blog with much research and careful intellectual concern going into it, unlike the poisonous vomit you spout habitually against India and Indians. You seem to have completely alienated yourself from India, like the occasional Washington Sikh sauntering through these blogs mouthing nothing but rotten bile against India. God Bless!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 10, 2006 5:38 AM

pagandkapitat,

I noticed a spelling error of yours...It is not spelled saves...but slaves...so...I will correct it right now for you...."Allah Slaves"

Posted by: herself at November 10, 2006 8:31 AM

Thank you, herself, for not in my wildest dreams would I want to contribute a sort of plagiarised slogan on behalf of the Zombies, the living dead.

Allah enslaves, and then slays. Unalloyed misery, thy name is Islam!

Posted by: pagandkapitat at November 10, 2006 10:01 AM

Maldives is virulently anti Hindu and islamic. Any Hindu tourist dare not carry even a picture of God while visiting. When there was a coup, muslim appeasing rajiv gandhi ordered Indian Army (comprising mostly of Hindus and Christians. But India peremptorily declares "Indian Army is "secular"! Meaning anti Hindu is perfectly ok, as long as peace of religion of peace is maintained) to thwart the coup. If he had been truly secular, ought to have laid down that(respect and recognition of Hinduism) as a precondition before intervening.

I am sure Hajpayee (as Vajpayee increased substantially haj subsidies was named thus) of bjp too would have been as muslim appesing as rajiv and done the same. The proverbial magnanimous, ever -ready -to embrace- Hindu killers,to prove legendary eunuchy ahimsaic tolerance of hindus:)

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 10, 2006 10:23 AM

-pagandkapitat,

"A perfect word comes to mind to describe you, much better and appropriate than what you have flung at me before departing in haste, but that would be an insult to my attentive hosts, Robert, Hugh and Marisol."

This may come as a shocker to you and your overinflated, juvenile ego, but I don't sit around waiting with baited breath to read your responses. I see too that you've dragged out the old, tired ad homonym "Nazi" because I don't treat you with kid gloves, just before you start the old "poor little me, I'm such a victim of the big, bad White bully". In case you have a problem with reading comprehension, you are the only one to have mentioned race around here. Not to mention the fact that I didn't say anything about India until you started trying to tar America while presenting India as some gleaming armored knight, ready to lead the world against islam. You might want to keep an eye on that projective tendency. Makes you sound like a hypocrite.

"Don't we live it on a daily basis and pay for it with our lives? But it is Americans in fact who need to do what you suggest, since the US is the single architect of a flawed policy that has sought to contrive a parity of sorts between suicidal and destructive Pakistan on the one hand, and the miracle of hope and all-round progress that is India!"

You really are so infantile that you think you can spout this kind of crap and not answer for it? Oh that's right, to question you on what you say makes me a Nazi bully. Sorry, forgot. Can't contradict anyone who's not white, even if race wasn't mentioned. Oh yeah, and if someone else isn't a Whitey, but says anything that pagandkapitat doesn't like, that person must be a traitor. You going to call all Indians who don't agree with you traitors? Sounds pretty fascist to me. Poor little victim. How dare the US pursue policies in its own interest? How dare we enact policies before running them past pagandkapitat first and seeing if they hurt his interests? Say what you like about America, but not India. Crows&Cows and many others know that Indian policies are not blameless and understands the concept of stones and glass houses. They would rather put the blame where it belongs, on islam. You'd rather sit on your ass, acting as if America owes you something.

In any case, once you started the racist/bigot/Nazi bullshit, you lost. The pathetic victim pose accompanied by generalized, unsubstantiated epithets only reveals that you have nothing of consequence to say and have no defence. You sound like Ahmadinejad and the Arab squatters in Gaza, Samaria, and Judea. I can say whatever I want about you, but if you say something back, I'll call you whatever I can pull out of my ass!.

Now, I think I'll listen to the sage advice of arjun.sevak and close this discourse with you. Call me stupid or whatever you like. Seems to me that you just have a problem with people contradicting the revelations of pagandkapitat, and were the first to respond with personal insults and namecalling. Quite frankly, I've wasted enough time responding to your adolescent whining and tu quoque braying as it is.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 10, 2006 7:59 PM

This *racism* among Indians is very much an idea planted by gandhi and assiduously nurtured by marxist indian historians. How muchhh we are (and were) indoctrinated into believing and accepting it as the truth(sic) in our schools where we could never ever articulate our legitimate and empirical doubts.

That akbarshahjahantipusultansss came to "rescue the disunited India"(sic)...and we were all living as onebighappeeee family till the British came.....oh spare me! Read what our Sri Kanchi Shankarachraya has written with no trace of chauvinism...that had not the Westerner come all our Temples, Scriptures etc would have COMpletely perished due to the bestial, brutish, barbaric muslims and their systematic incineration. It was a blessing in disguise. Certain precious manuscripts of Soundarya Lahiri of Sri.Adi Shankaracharya are well preserved in an American Museum.

Certain chauvinistic so called hindus are floating a new theory that Jesus Christ has been "appropriated "(sic..lol) by the Whites as He Was Born With Brown Features. Well, I am not interested in any theory. I am not in the business of marketing Spirituality. Nevertheless, let me enlighten such chauvinists that Lord Krishna Incarnated Himself In California as a WHITE MAN (Sage Kapila) with Blue Eyes and so forth. This is not my theory. This is the TRUTH. I owe it to Bhagavan Himself.

Those Vedic Priests who chant 'Sri Rudram' which extols the Omipresence of our Maker have no cobwebs in their minds/brains.

Swami Vivekananda said "Judge a man by his virtues", not colour of skin brown or whatever. The intellectual and non traitorous ought to know there are no countries/ borders so to speak. Only Good and evil. Or Virtue and vice.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 11, 2006 12:56 AM