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What kind of response do you think she will get from the adherents of the "great and noble faith of Islam"? I expect there will be charges that she is racist and "Islamophobic," and that it is the British government's fault that moderate Muslims aren't working against jihad terrorism.
"Beckett in terror plea to Muslims," from the Guardian, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:
Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett is to call on mainstream Muslims to "stand up and be counted" in the struggle against terrorism.The UK's 1.6 million Muslims have a "special ability" to counter extremist propaganda about a "clash of civilisations" between Islam and the West, she will say.
And she will urge them to act as "ambassadors for Britain" by speaking up about the reality of life in the UK when they visit countries with large Muslim populations.
Speaking to the foreign affairs think tank the Royal United Services Institute in London on Thursday, Mrs Beckett will warn that the threat from international Islamic terrorism "remains serious and is increasing"....
"I am not underestimating the gravity of the threat we face. But let us deny the terrorists the historical importance they claim to themselves. They have no right to speak for the great and noble faith of Islam.
"This is a not a battle between civilisations but a stand-off between the whole of society on the one hand and a fairly small and particularly nasty bunch of murderers and criminals on the other."
Mrs Beckett is expected to add: "I want to ... put out a challenge to all those who reject violence to stand up and be counted."
Posted by Robert at November 9, 2006 2:47 PM
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From the article:
"The UK's 1.6 million Muslims have a "special ability" to counter extremist propaganda about a "clash of civilisations" between Islam and the West, she will say."
A 'special ability?' Sounds like a handicap thing to me!
Gee, do you really think that Muslims will be countering extremist propoganda? Give me a break!!!
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at November 9, 2006 3:02 PM
She'll probably have as much luck on that happening as I will winning the lottery.
Posted by: freewoman at November 9, 2006 3:03 PM
What kind of response do you think she will get from the adherents of the "great and noble faith of Islam"?
They'll riot in the streets in the middle east call for the ladie's head, kill some innocent nonmuslims, raze some churches and embassies, scream 'Allah Ackabar' as run around generally foaming at the mouth.
Thereby showing:
1) Islam is not great
2)its sure as hell not 'noble'
and
3) yes there is a battle of civilizatons (actually more like a battle for and against civilization since rule under is Islam is nothing more than barbarism)
Islamofascists want your blood already Mz Secretary dont you know that. Lets see if your 'moderate' muslim friends will help you. You'll find their silence deafening. They are too busy training little Muhammed to read his hadiths and quran which by the way Mz Secretary demands your beheading. so they will NOT saying anything against their jihadist brethern.
Truly a disgusting people. ISLAM=NAZISM
at November 9, 2006 3:03 PM
... the great and noble faith of Islam....
Good grief. Do these political elites only read Muslem dq'wa pamphlets? It is absurd. The denial would be hilarious if it wasn't so deadly for the infidels of which I am one.
at November 9, 2006 3:04 PM
Explicitly linking the Great and Noble Faith™ with terrorism is racist. It's the government's fault if Moslems prefer being seen as a small and particularly nasty bunch of murderers and criminals.
at November 9, 2006 3:07 PM
moderate muslims are the ones that stand on the side lines and praise their fellow muslims for the attacks and murders on the West.
Remember the truth:
muslims murdered 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
muslims murdered 52 Brits on 7/7
muslims murdered 201 Spaniards on 3/11
muslims murdered 785 Israelis in the last six years.
muslims murdered 2 million plus Christians in Sudan.
muslims murdered a million plus Africans in Darfur
muslims raped millions of women and children in Darfur and Sudan.
muslims murdered 186 children and 158 adults, a total of 354 in Belsan.
muslims have murdered and harmed tens of millions of innocents in the last two decades.
if this is not WW3 being waged by the cult of islam against the West, then what is it?????????
God bless America, our Allies and our Fighting Forces and keep us Free.
The Texican.
God, Family, America and Freedom, the only choice at any cost.
at November 9, 2006 3:08 PM
Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett to moderate Muslims: "stand up and be counted"
I never did comprehend British humor; still don't apparently.
at November 9, 2006 3:14 PM
London? How dare she go into a "Muslim area".
Posted by: Josephine at November 9, 2006 3:17 PM
"I expect there will be charges that she is racist and "Islamophobic,"
Is there any other course of action. Margaret Beckett is right to pose the question publicly, however if she expects a positive response, she's in for an awakening.
There's no question she'll be put on the hot seat and called everything in the book, remember these are people of the great and noble religion of Islam she's speaking to.
Good luck Margaret, thanks for asking the question, I only hope you have the courage to fight when they confront you.
Niv
Posted by: The fanatic at November 9, 2006 3:22 PM
Personally, I have the greatest respect for the inner meaning of Islam and for that of the other great religions.
--Prince Charles
This lady must be hanging with Charles. It just makes your head explode.
Where is this massive majority of muslims who grasp Islam's "inner" meaning, who are mystically hooked into the ethereal chain of islamc "moderation?" Muslims are muslims because they believe the Koran. If they didn't, the would something else.
Posted by: Clive at November 9, 2006 3:31 PM
"This is a not a battle between civilizations but a stand-off between the whole of society on the one hand and a fairly small and particularly nasty bunch of murderers and criminals on the other."
Next headline: "Beckett connects Islam with murderers and criminals: Muslims riot."
Posted by: DrWolffenstein at November 9, 2006 3:37 PM
The importance here is less on the response from the Umma and more on the growing number of governement members, some very senior, who aren't afraid to "engage" the Ummah at some level other than George Galloway's or Ken Livingstone's.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 9, 2006 3:39 PM
Are the moderate, mainstream Muslims Ms. Beckett has in mind the 10 percent of British adherents of "the great and noble faith of Islam" who, when surveyed said they would refuse to help police investigate Islamic terror plots, or the 70 percent who believe that those attacks are justified?
She would do herself, her countrymen, her government, and the security of the UK a great service if she honed her thinking by asking herself that question, and formulating her demands accordingly.
Posted by: templar at November 9, 2006 3:42 PM
UK Foreign Secretary to moderate Muslims: "stand up and be counted"
They have....all five of them.
Posted by: Unbridled at November 9, 2006 3:43 PM
The moderates are probably laughing at her. IMHO, the moderates don't have anything to lose either way. If the radicals are quashed, it's business as usual. If islam conquers the world, it's business as usual. The only muslims it would affect are the working women of islam. They would have to stay at home.
Posted by: freewoman at November 9, 2006 3:46 PM
Waterdragon hits the nail on the head for the second time this evening.
:-)
at November 9, 2006 3:59 PM
...the great and noble faith of Islam....
To me, that's like saying "the great and noble AIDS virus" or "the great and noble disease of cancer."
Of course, the Muslim moderates will respond by denouncing Islamist terrorists and singing "God Save The Queen" and "Kumbaya" with Infidels like they always do in times like these. Right?
(sarcasm lever to off, again. Bad sarcasm lever, bad lever)
at November 9, 2006 4:06 PM
You are all far to negative. There is a moderate muslim somewhere and if he does exist he can be counted. Somewhere on a street corner in London sits a third generation inbred muslim. He rocks gently back and forth quoting the koran softly to himself, he has never hurt no one and never will. A true moderate, although brain damaged he has a simple demeanor and his begging bowl is his only means of support. Londoners walk around him, even fellow muslims ignore him but he is there. Although I have never seen him personally I have heard stories of his existence and I believe them. I challenge you Brits, walk the back streets of London town, find him, point and simply say “One” and we can officially count him once and for all.
Posted by: Ronin at November 9, 2006 4:16 PM
"stand up and be counted"
I like it. I think the lady is right. She will wait in silence, tapping her fingers on the table, and we all will have the answer.
Of course, we know the answer, and so does she, and so do the muslims:
at November 9, 2006 4:16 PM
"Great and Noble Faith™"
Give me strength
"stand up and be counted"
Yeah don't all rush at once!
This is making me feel ill, don't think I will be visiting here for a while, all far too depressing. I'm going to lie down for a bit. Wake me up when you see a politician with some fucking balls!
Jesus! I'm gonna scream-so angry-need a beer.
Posted by: hierophant at November 9, 2006 4:29 PM
What an amazingly awesome and good idea. I think this is going to be extremely effective. Hey, as an encore, why don't we try to change the public image of the KKK by asking "moderate white supremacists" to "stand up and be counted". Or maybe we can dispel some of those ugly rumours about pedophiles by "engaging" the "moderate child rapist community". Then we can have a think tank where we debate today's pressing issues with "moderate neo-nazis" and "moderate communists."
What a brilliant approach.
Posted by: Professor PyroSkank at November 9, 2006 4:30 PM
Ronin
Although it is very difficult to find a moderate muslim on the street, I understand that it is possible to breed them in captivity. They don't do well after they are released in the wild.
at November 9, 2006 4:36 PM
One of the specious arguments for admitting large numbers of Muslims into Western dominions has clearly been the idea that exposure to Western democracy will cure the Muslim savages of their barbarous predilections... But what could be clearer that exposure to our tolerance, our openness, and our wealth has not had a positive effect on these cavemen?
There is NO evidence that they have changed their fundamental intention of imposing Islam whenever and however they might. Sure, some Muslims have undoubtedly abandoned Islam in a way they never could have in their cesspool of origin -- but is this the way we'll eventually fix our predicament? Hardly. Those who have left have remained silent, have not proved themselves to be allies in the fight against the system they abandoned... The number that have actually joined the West probably numbers only in the thousands -- the vast majority remain to greater and lesser extents completely within the thrall of Islam -- witness how the vast majority of Muslims in the West remain convinced there's nothing wrong with Islam, and all the problems emerging in the world can somehow be traced back to being the 'fault' of the West.
Those people aren't 'moderates'. Those people are seditious antithetical enemies of the West, and should be treated as such.
It's insane to imagine we can survive their incessant battering of our systems and beliefs -- our system was never designed to be a breakwater for their Islamic storms and floods... We certainly bear then no responsibility to help them salvage their grotesque belief system. When did salvaging or reforming Islam become our impossible burden? Yet this is what we hear endlessly from Muslims spokespersons, and their Western apologists.
Why do we continue to ignore the ample evidence that with very little money and few actors Islam is able to cheaply and effectivly project its heinousness into our domains -- The calculus of this math is devastating. Whether you analyse the cheap cost to Muslims of attacks like 9/11, the cheap cost to Muslims of buying off politicians and media assets, the cheap cost to Muslims of exporting their populations to our soil, the cheap cost to Muslims of stealing our knowledge and technology to attack us -- you cannot help but conclude that we are losing.
With the merest expenditures on their part -- certainly numbers which amount to less than the cost of waging the Iraq war, clearly numbers that probably come well under 100 billion dollars -- the collective Muslim community is effectively nibbling away and dismantling the greatest civilization that has ever emerged on planet earth: The West.
How stunning it is to ponder how, rather than increasing the costs to them until they're prohibitive, we continue to send them our dollars for oil, we continue to shed our precious blood valiantly attempting to fix their broken shit hole society, we continue to aid them in the disasters they're complicit in creating...
Further, by simply and cheaply accusing us perpetually of intolerance towards them, the Muslims have guaranteed they will continue to subvert our beliefs and systems at no cost to themselves. By allowing them to continue feeding at our public troughs, their breeding projects will continue unabated both here and abroad. By allowing them free access to our educational systems, we enable the worst among them to harm us exponentially. By continuing to pay them for their accident of oil, we guarantee their uncontrolled funding and spread of their diseased belief system in the form of mosques, "Islamic community centers" and madrassas.
Will we ever have the guts to pull the plug on their worthless society? Without us, they're NOTHING -- yet we continue to send them aid, medicine, food, and technology -- we continue to hope for their reformation (imagining this will result in moderation not understanding that Al Qaida IS the Islamic Reformation...), and foist bogus 'democracy' on them which has simply proved to be the most efficient and cost free way for their vilest impulses to gain access to power.
How well could their explosive breeding go without ever spiralling transfers of cash for oil? How effectively could their detestable progeny be against us without Western engineering education, and Western technical training? How healthy and robust could their cancerous societies be without the constant influx of medical knowledge , Western technological innovations, etc. from the West?
Without our eternally generous infinitely foolish hand propping up their evil agenda and their unsustainable populations and power centers, Muslims would be exactly where they belong -- hammering out copper pots and pans, foraging for food on garbage dumps, and opportunistically attacking caravans of merchants stupid enough to trade within their domains. They certainly couldn't afford to fund mosques or inject their poisonous overflow populations into our dominions -- they certainly couldn't sustain their population explosions or maintain their llving standards -- and they certainly couldn't pose the existential threat they now do against us.
Posted by: jsla at November 9, 2006 4:38 PM
The only redeeming feature in Beckett's speech is "I want to put out a challenge to all those who reject violence to stand up and be counted."
Lets see if Muslims respond to this or will they simply accuse Beckett of placing Muslims in a position in which no other faiths are put - I have heard of this Muslim response several times before to similar such challenges.
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Ronin, pimopal
LOL.
at November 9, 2006 4:57 PM
..."great and noble faith of Islam"...
Wake up Maggie-the only 'moderate' Muslims are much too afraid of being tortured and beheaded by the 'great and noble faith of Islam' to raise their voices a squeak to protest against Terrorists.What I find truly apalling is this stupid woman's denial of the truth stuck under her nose-we are indeed at war with the "great and noble faith of Islam" as we have been for the last 1,400 yrs.God help us-with leaders such as Margaret Beckett...
at November 9, 2006 5:16 PM
This is a not a battle between civilisations but a stand-off between the whole of society on the one hand and a fairly small and particularly nasty bunch of murderers and criminals on the other."
Mrs Beckett is expected to add: "I want to ... put out a challenge to all those who reject violence to stand up and be counted."
Mrs. Beckett still believes its a police action and not a war. How many British and non Muslim bodies will she need to be stacked upon each other before she realizes she may never hear the voice of the so called Moderate Muslim (MM).
at November 9, 2006 5:24 PM
Well, I don't see anyone standing up to be counted. Maybe later?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 9, 2006 5:26 PM
I have no clue whether they are moderate or not,
Posted by: Grunt
NOT!
Posted by: Ronin at November 9, 2006 5:55 PM
What I find telling is that she has to preface her statements with flattering nonsense about Islam being "great and noble." Why not just say "Muslims, put up or shut up?" Consciously or unconsciously she has already assumed dhimmi status.
Posted by: Galloglass Warrior at November 9, 2006 6:17 PM
People who think they have met moderate muslims have confused memory and imagination.
Posted by: Ronin at November 9, 2006 6:18 PM
Much like in this country, their is a tacit pass for saying anything bad about any religion, because well, just because.
I am surprised that the article even used the word Muslim instead of another of the various euphemisms that cloud the issue. These are people of "faith," and if their religion says they must hate Jews and homosexuals, well that is "freedom of religion," never mind the hate speech.
I have yet to see any massive moderate Muslim movement that counters the Jihadist claims. Not holding my breath, either.
at November 9, 2006 6:48 PM
It sounds as if she wants to fight terrorism, and at the same time try not to offend Muslims. It cannot be done. They will be offended, and will not hesitate to throw tomatoes.
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 9, 2006 6:52 PM
Sadly the dhimmification of Londonistan is advanced and it will take an attack of terrifying proportions to reverse the catatonic state the population have been reduced to by the socialist trick of demanding the acceptance of unacceptable islamic communities using the threat of being labelled a racist at worst or a zionist at best. Or is that vice versa? My take on this is a rehash of an old cowboy saying 'The only moderate muslim is a dead one'
Posted by: Bohemond at November 9, 2006 7:20 PM
"I challenge you Brits, walk the back streets of London town, find him, point and simply say 'One' and we can officially count him once and for all."
Ronin - Brilliant!
My great-grandparents were from Bethnal Green. I used to hope to visit the Tower Hamlets area some day. Now it's a "Muslim area" and we know what that means... "Kuffr Verboten"
[Sorry, I don't know how Kufr / Kuffr is spelled. Bad unbeliever! Bad!]
Posted by: Josephine at November 9, 2006 7:59 PM
jsla
Spot on and suitable for framing. I am glad you are on our side.
at November 9, 2006 8:56 PM
Well, I still don't see anyone standing up to be counted. Further proof that the existence of moderate Muslims is a myth.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 9, 2006 9:13 PM
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/98969.html
Three separate shooting episodes occurred within a few hours of each other early Sunday in Copenhagen
One man is dead, three are wounded and two businesses have had their windows shot out after a wave of apparently unrelated shootings early Sunday morning.
The only shooting to claim a victim occurred at around 7 am, when two men entered Café Louise in the Nørrebro district and opened fire, killing one man and wounding three others.
Earlier, at 4:20 a.m., unknown assailants fired shots from a vehicle which shattered a toy store window on Vestergade in the Latin Quarter, and around 40 minutes later the same happened to a café on Mikkel Brygges Gade, a side road leading into the main pedestrian street Strøget. No one was injured in those shootings.
Ove Dahl, superintendent of Copenhagen police’s homicide division, denied that the city has become more dangerous of late.
‘It’s no different than it’s always been. If I looked back into the statistics, I shouldn’t see that it’s any worse today than it was before,’ Dahl said.
Police believe the café shooting at Nørrebro was a hit aimed at one of the injured, a 34-year-old Moroccan man. He is said to be in serious condition after being shot four times. The man killed, an innocent bystander, was thought to be a 24-year-old Iraqi, but later reports indicated his ID may have been false and that he is actually Palestinian with Jordanian citizenship.
The gunmen were recorded by the café’s security cameras, and both are believed to be of immigrant background.
Sunday’s shootings were the latest in a wave of gun violence in Copenhagen over the past year, most involving immigrant men. Dahl said there was no particular trend or links in the violence.
‘Every time there’s a murder, there are different motives. It can be jealousy, a grudge, drugs or other criminal activity, but I can’t say there’s a trend. Next year there might not be a single shooting.’
--
no trend? should we tell him?
at November 9, 2006 9:40 PM
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/98976.html
09.11.2006
Crisis centres in Malmö, Sweden have documented an alarming increase in the number of violent or threatening incidents involving Danish couples living in Sweden.
Centre workers say most cases involve immigrant women forced into marriages with Danish men of immigrant background. The men have moved their families across the strait because of strict Danish residency and immigration laws.
‘Unfortunately, it seems as if the Danish authorities have closed their eyes to the problem,’ said Agneta Frick, manager of a Malmö women’s crisis centre.
Frick said there have been at least 25 cases of domestic violence involving a transplanted Dane in the past year. Ten cases involved women who have lived at the centre under protection.
She said most of these women were basically slaves in the relationship and had been threatened with death if they attempted to leave.
‘None of these women were allowed to make friends or learn Swedish and none of them could go back to their homeland.’
Swedish police also verified that the problem is becoming more noticeable.
‘Problems with Danish couples have become especially visible lately. We’re seeing cases of sexual abuse and systematic violence against both women and children,’ said Anna Gustavsson, head of the Malmö police’s family violence division.
Swedish women’s advocates blame Denmark’s immigration laws for making it difficult for battered immigrant women to leave their husbands and remain in Denmark. The women’s residence is typically conditional on marriage and divorce means being forced to leave.
Denmark’s immigration minister, Rikke Hvilshøj, said the problem isn’t with Danish laws but with the men themselves.
‘It isn’t our laws that create this violence, and I don’t decide to whom the Swedes give residency,’ Hvilshøj said.
Frick said that the situation affects the Swedish authorities’ pocketbooks as well, as it costs around DKK 2500 per day to house an abused women at the centre. She doesn’t understand the Danish refusal to take responsibility for the problem.
‘Sometimes it seems as if it’s just as far from Sweden to Denmark as it is from Sweden to Pakistan.’
at November 9, 2006 9:46 PM
"The man killed, an innocent bystander, was thought to be a 24-year-old Iraqi, but later reports indicated his ID may have been false and that he is actually Palestinian with Jordanian citizenship."
-- from a posting above
"thought to be...Iraqi."
"ID may have been false..."
"actually Palestinian with Jordanian citizenship..."
Mix-n'-match.
at November 9, 2006 10:17 PM
I think people need to quit looking for the mythical moderate Muslims and concentrate more on keeping ALL of them (mythical or otherwise) from overrunning the West. NONE of them will be moderate when they start lopping off heads-first ours, then each other's because there is absolutely nothing moderate about Islamania. All Islamania does is kill and destroy and I find very little moderate about such activities.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 9, 2006 10:25 PM
More uninformed thinking:
"They [terrorists] have no right to speak for the great and noble faith of Islam."
They have more right to speak for Islam, and about it, than their 'mainstream' brethren, as they have the Qur'an, hadith and sira'h, along with the opinions and rulings of the traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence on their side. Their 'moderate' brethren know that; Mrs. Beckett apparently does not.
Let's be blunt, here. It is Mrs. Beckett, a white Christian, who has 'no right to speak for the great and noble faith of Islam'.
Politely introduce Mrs. Beckett to the facts.
Her feedback email address is:
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390545
Posted by: PRCS at November 9, 2006 10:44 PM
‘Sometimes it seems as if it’s just as far from Sweden to Denmark as it is from Sweden to Pakistan.’
Well, Sweden and Pakistan have suicide in mind. Paks with explosives and Sweden with demographics and wide open welfare immigration. Denmark snapped out of that coma.
And when the Muslims are the majority in Sweden, you can really begin to feel how close to Pakistan you really are.
Posted by: John Sobieski at November 9, 2006 11:12 PM
A moderate Muslim in Britain: someone who does not want to commit acts of political violence. A person willing to work within the rule of law. Someone who votes. Pays taxes, raises their children to uphold moral values.
Of course there are people like that in Britain. The vast majority.
It was earlier quoted that 1600 people working on 30 plots are being watched in the UK.
The most effective way of contributing to the terrorists downfall (within the rule of law), is to have this moderate Muslim majority prepared to work with the authorities. Beckett calling for moderates to step forward is a good tactical response to the conditions on the ground.
Some posters here would deport all Muslims away from Anglo-Saxon lands. If you’re working towards that goal, you would need to execute that policy through Marshall Law, or the political process, or as a result of a cataclysmic event that broke down society.
I guess you would start with the political process and wait for events to determine when to apply total military control.
So as a strategy within the political process, Beckett’s call for Muslim people to contribute is very useful. Muslims that tell other Muslims when to shut the heck up are very useful.
If you want to deport all Muslims, then you will need majority consensus (in order to eliminate any Muslim insurgency). To do this you must work to change people's attitudes (counter-demonstrations to radical Islamic protests, promotion of the anti-jihad message through multiple media formats etc).
So in regard to Beckett's call to stand up and be counted, it is also (inadvertently) a call for UK anti-jihadists to come together, form a political movement and work towards the removal of Islam in the UK.
at November 10, 2006 2:24 AM
Mrs. Beckett - don't say that the faith of Islam is "great" and "noble" - unless you are planning to change the English dictionary itself.
Be aware of the facts and history. Islam was never for peace and will never be for peace.
The so called prophet was the most violent man who ever lived. And he was a lecherer.
The moderate Muslims are those who very well believe in totality in all the facts of Islam. Only, they want to live the "good life" provided by Western technology and instead let the poorer Muslims do the dirty works that Islam stands for. That way the moderate Muslims can blame the extremists and get a good name for themselves.
Posted by: rajagopalan at November 10, 2006 3:41 AM
Waterdragon hits the nail on the head for the second time this evening.
:-)
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at November 9, 2006 03:59 PM
Thanks, Granny. At the moment, between being run off my feet at work, and dealing with the aftermath of a terrible fire caused by my former tenants, I'm wondering if I have any brain cells functioning at all.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 10, 2006 8:11 AM
A press release from the Islamic Human Rights Commission:
http://www.ihrc.org.uk/show.php?id=2254
"Beckett’s Comments Deny Reality of Life in the UK"
Posted by: Josephine at November 10, 2006 9:11 AM
Zero, but still counting.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 10, 2006 9:20 AM
Ibn Warraq is correct:
There may be moderate Muslims but Islam itself is not moderate.
Muslims cannot be any less extreme than Mohammed himself behaved. This is the problem. Mohammed's example is extreme. The commands of Allah encourge and condone Mohammed's extreme behavior.
No moderate muslim can speak against these things with any authority and with physical safety. Until these things change it's of no use to look for a solution from moderate muslims
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 10, 2006 10:07 AM
Josephine,
Thanks for the link, as expected, the Muslims have stepped up and blamed the UK's policies for the rise in terrorism. Gotta love them Moderate Muslims!
jsla,
Great post, hitting every nail squarely on the head.
at November 10, 2006 3:08 PM
I'm sure all the moderates WILL answer the call. After all she's not asking them to say anything, merely to stand and be counted.
At home.
In the closet
With the lights out.
It's still going to be a small crowd.
at November 11, 2006 2:45 AM
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