Yep he said it and so did so many other Islamic radicals say that USA is the great Satan.

Posted by: mark52 at November 12, 2006 1:08 AM

When will these converts like Ole Hoop and Ellison realize that becoming Muslim does not make them any smarter? If anything conversion infuses them with a false sense of superiority and infallibility. It also turns them into unrepentent liars.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 12, 2006 1:20 AM

Iblis Hooper is too bizarre to comment on.

But I will say this anyway: he's damn ugly and please don't show that rabid looking picture of him again.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 12, 2006 1:22 AM

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be islamic sometime in the future."

Thuggie Pooper also said he wouldn't do anything violent to promote that, but I bet he wouldn't stop violence to achieve it.
And he also said he would try to achieve an American islamic state thru education.

Makes one wonder why all things un-islamic has been banned in schools and all thing islamic has been promoted and embraced.

They are winning folks!

When are we gonna break free from the shackles of pc-ness and do what is needed to preserve our way of life?

islam is advancing only because we allow it.

Listen closely Pooper, islam is gonna fail, not because its a false religion but because we gonna put it down!
The only way islam will survive is if it refutes jihad and dhimmi status!
But you won't allow reform will you Pooper?

No reform, no islam!
Got it Pooper?, good!

Thru Education my arse, islam is too ridiculous too make sense to educated Americans.

Posted by: Infidel_Dog at November 12, 2006 1:49 AM

whe have to remmeber Iblis Hoope is a muslim and probibly trained in deception aka taqiyya which means deception in Arabic is the cornerstone of Muslim relations with Kafirs (non-Muslims). Muslims are encouraged to deceive Kafirs all along. The technique Taqiyya was consistently used in warfare by Muslims and it was this which gave them victory over non-Muslims in addition to their schizophrenic savagery so of coures he will say he did not make this statement "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future. with the koran as the highest law of the land

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 12, 2006 2:27 AM

Mr Spencer, you're next book should be on "islamophobia" and the moslems use of the made up word.

Posted by: Infidel_Dog at November 12, 2006 2:44 AM

muslims are so contradictory it's not even funny.

More like logic impaired. Koran study lowers your IQ by 40 points. After all, who needs logic when you have a phony prophet and an unholy Koran to guide you through life? To answer all questions?

Muslim charlatans (Imams Mullahs) will say old shit that sounds good at the time. And the Jihadist Mullahs will say any old shit that will stir up the Ummah's great unwashed. Jihadist Imams/Mullahs are positively gleeful when their rabble rousing stirs up the illiterate masses

Posted by: dennisw at November 12, 2006 5:44 AM

Dougie Hooper is a freaking moron. He's kept as CAIR spokesman because he's a ruddy faced Anglo, not some sweaty swarthy clown fresh off the boat. You've heard the phrase "kept woman"? Dougie is their "kept Anglo"

PLUS CAIR has money to blow with a $50 million slush fund and a new building in DC in the works.... All courtesy of oil-rich Arabians (This info was at LGF a few months ago)

Posted by: dennisw at November 12, 2006 5:51 AM

Sheik Alhilali was interviewed on our 60 minutes program last night, obviously a shrieking sheik under siege judging by the back-peddling and taqiyya.
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2006_11_12/story_1824.asp

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at November 12, 2006 6:55 AM

Iblis Hooper is a joke anyway.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 12, 2006 9:54 AM

Satan is a liar and the father of all lies!

So are muslims who follow, worship and pray to him!

Enough said!

Posted by: Mohammed-Sux at November 12, 2006 9:58 AM

Look at Hooper.....Look at his eyes. There's no soul behind them. Sort of like when Michael Myers took his mask off in the Halloween movies......There just ain't nothin' behind them eyes.

Mohammedanism can be treacherous.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 12, 2006 10:19 AM

I put about as much weight in Hooper's comments as in the oft repeated statement "most muslims are opposed to terrorism". Sure most aren't dumb enough to admit otherwise when you pose the question point blank. But if you ask indicator questions such as do you have a favorable view of Osama or is Israel a legitimate state, you suddenly get large majorities with favorable view of Osama and not recognizing Israel. Now how can you admire a terrorist and subscribe to Hamas' genocidal view of Israel and be against terrorism? Well, because in the Islamic mind USA and Israel are terrorist states, and Hamas and Osama are "freedom fighters".

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at November 12, 2006 11:59 AM

Muslims always say "Its against Islam to kill an innocent person". BUT did you know that a non-muslim is NOT considered innocent by muslims? Muslims consider non-muslims as najis and 'without sanctity' therefore NOT innocent

http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html

WE THE INFIDELS ARE CONSIDERED NAJIS THINGS CHECK IT OUT HERE ..KAFIRS, INFIDELS, NON MUSLIMS

Posted by: terise at November 12, 2006 12:47 PM

Here is all you need to know:
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 12, 2006 12:49 PM

Remember folks what Jesus said in the latter days there are going to be false prophets. Muhammed was one of them. So is Mr. Hooper.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 12, 2006 1:01 PM

Well, Hooper, the Islamitization of the usa is not gonna happen. There are too many patriots still living here in the good old usa and we take our freedoms very seriously and no muslim is gonna take them away with out a serious fight!!

Posted by: callmeinfidel at November 12, 2006 2:13 PM

Doughie "The hypocrite" Hooper is as smooth as a slithering snake and as venomous as a viper, with the same forked tongue, spewing venom that can drill a hole in a bone. Am surprised how his venom hasn't eaten him from the inside...... then again, snakes are immune to their own venom.... and those eyes are the window to the empty darkness of the black-hole.

Posted by: Alert at November 12, 2006 2:41 PM

Just in case the boys are visiting, here are some of the unique names I've seen at JW/DW for Ibrahim Hooper and Ahmed Bedier:

Ib
The Hoopster
Hoopman
Iblis Hooper
Doughie "The hypocrite" Hooper
Dougie Hooper
Doug
Thuggie Pooper
Ole Hoop
Ibo Hooper
********
Imabedwetter
Ick Med

Kinda looks like Hoopie's the winner.

Posted by: PRCS at November 12, 2006 3:14 PM

A salute to Ibrahim Hooper-

Ibrahim, "...though your tablet is small, your message never is..." "...we believe you..."

http://www.koraqi.com/music/real%20american%20heroes/Mr.%20Fortune%20Cookie%20Fortune%20Writer.mp3

Posted by: Frank at November 12, 2006 3:32 PM

Taek a note Robert and Hugh ..

I never thought a muslim could get so upset about Islam.. wow..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il_0OPqnbDY&mode=related&search=

I guess they are about to reach the tipping point.. the sooner the better,,,

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 12, 2006 3:50 PM

PRCS, I usually try to ignore the new names of Muslim converts like Ole Hoop, Bobby Moore, Cassius Clay and others. If I can't find their birth name, I usually resort to using "Whats-His-Name."

It's odd that there are few prominent women who convert to Mohammedism.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 12, 2006 4:16 PM

Let us be frank and honest about it, let us admit it without being afraid of what may be the out come, let all the leftist liberals know it, not a single muslim (note the word single) who claims to be a believer in Allah (which requires the belief in Koran and it's divinity) can deny that he or she would not wish for implementation of sharia in US, or any infidel country they are living in. Establishment of sharia rule is one of the important prerequsite of Islam. Calling me a Islamophobe, let all the self appointed protectors of liberty and US at fox news (who is dead against 'cut and run' policy) conduct an opinion poll. I do not have enough resources to do it, otherwise I would have proved. And I say in the manner of Bill O' Reilly, 'tell me where I am wrong?'.
And I feel, every non muslilm, who has slightest knowledge about Islam knows the modern democratic governments are unislamic and unkoranic (Ask any muslim and he will say that true democracy is the pne prescribed by Islamic texts, ours being the sham one), and every muslim secretly would like it's replacement by the pious system, but are too scared to face it, even acknowledge it to oneself. The days of democracy and liberty among humans are over, it seems.

Posted by: pagan at November 12, 2006 6:49 PM

CAIR - 1, FREE SPEECH - 0
Islamonazi CAIR Intimidates Yet Another American Business In Dhimmitude

http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/MS092506.php - MSNBC video

Free Patriotic Corner Banners: http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/cb/

Posted by: Terror-Free Oil at November 12, 2006 8:05 PM

Pelayo,

Speaking of Cassius Clay:

As a revert, he's a good starting point when speaking with others about Islam.

I politely inform them that pepole who convert to Islam read the same version of the Qur'an as UBL, and that there's no Islam 'lite'.

Other 'reverts' people can picture in their minds include Lew Alcindor and Cat Stevens.

It gets others to think and ask questions.

Posted by: PRCS at November 12, 2006 8:18 PM

PRCS,
Worthy addition to your nickname list: (from a post on AmericansAgainstHate.com)

Ibrahim Hooper-crite

Posted by: Xero G at November 12, 2006 8:25 PM

"PRCS, I usually try to ignore the new names of Muslim converts like Ole Hoop, Bobby Moore, Cassius Clay and others. If I can't find their birth name, I usually resort to using "Whats-His-Name."

Mohammed Ali, like any American has a right to change his name to anything he likes. He also has a right to change his faith. That is part of what being an American is all about.

He was one of the heros of my youth, and if, as a boxer, he isn't the "Greatest" who the hell is?

Ali is an American icon. He told the Establishment to stuff it, suffered the consequenses, fought his way back and prevailed. If that isn't American, what is?

Mohammed Ali is in no shape to be a dog in this hunt. Do you really want to hammer a sick old man who can't fight back?

He's out of it. Can we please stick to the present...and the future?

Posted by: USBeast at November 12, 2006 9:04 PM

USBeast,

The point is that when Cassius Clay reverted, many years ago, he didn't get a pass. He didn't get a 'moderate' copy of the Qur'an to read. He didn't get to pick the 'lite' version of Islam.

Nor did Cat Stevens, or Lew Alcindor. And those 'moderate' Muslims born into Islam don't have 'moderate' copies of the Qur'an, either, and that includes Muslims in Dearborn, and Lodi,and London, and everywhere else in the world.

And the American public needs to wake up to the fact that Islam says what Islam says; no exceptions for celebrities.

Most Muslims aren't as pious as Usama bin Laden, but UBL reads the same book that they do; today and tomorrow.

Posted by: PRCS at November 12, 2006 10:52 PM

A little OT but check out this gem I found about the tipping of the scales in our recent US elections because of Muslim voters. They're here, they're serious and they're getting it done.

http://www.masnet.org/takeaction.asp?id=3890

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 12, 2006 11:26 PM

They're here, they're serious and they're getting it done.

http://www.masnet.org/takeaction.asp?id=3890

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 12, 2006 11:26 PM

.. thanks to the timid and corrupt Republicans, starting with the wahabbi puppet dubya, assisted abely by his administration of corrupt sell-outs Given a chance dubya, the "commander-in-chief" who went AWOL, and "leader of the free world" who belly-dances to wahabbi tunes, and his administration would open a wahabbi / mexican shop selling-out hard-working, tax-paying, honest Americans for a few Riyals/Pesos. Talk about a coward traitor in office!

For those who think I am hard on dubya, the highest office in America comes with it's share of responsibilities, specially in these times of global hostilities against the great land US 0f A, he sells-out to whoever crosses the Rio-Grande! And no, am not a democrat either.

Posted by: Alert at November 13, 2006 4:08 AM

Alert,

You've got no argument from me. I don't think he's a coward in the classic sense of the word but perhaps because he's sold his soul. There is some reason George Bush does not oppose them, there is some payoff he is getting out of it from somewhere, and we are notprivy to that information.

American In Germany,

Thanks for passing that article around. Would you e-mail it to Robert for me? For some reason, probably computer jihadis or perhaps the ants that Naseem was talking about on another post, my computer will not cooperate and I cannot e-mail articles to him. But I think this one warrants being posted as an article of it's own.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 13, 2006 9:05 AM

If you don't understand Islam you should ask!!
What ISLAM has to offer that THAT CHRISTIANITY cannot?

There is so much in Islam that can truly make America, and indeed the whole world, a safer, better, and more decent place to live in.

Posted by: Ramon at November 13, 2006 9:16 AM

Hey americaningermany,

You are liar or just misinformed?

How would islam DESTROY the world??

Islam has taught humanity that people of all races, all colors, all ethnicities are perfectly capable of attaining faith in the One and Only God. Jews believe that they are the chosen race and even when they accept others to embrace Judaism, those converts are always lower in rank than those born as Jews. Islam rejects all that and calls upon all people of all backgrounds to submit themselves to their Creator. Once they do, they automatically become members of the community of Islam with the same rights and duties as any other Muslim. Islam is not, and can never be, the monopoly of one race or a certain linguistic group.

Posted by: Ramon at November 13, 2006 11:48 AM

All the allegations against the religion of Islam as baseless.

Islam the only religion which gives the message of peace and harmony.

Muslims very friendly, polite and peaceful. It is a very peaceful religion with strong family values.

Posted by: Ramon at November 13, 2006 12:35 PM

Some people like to make a big deal about their particular religion. If your religion is an important part of your life, then I am happy for you without any regard for which religion it is.

As far as different religions are concerned, to me they’re just different parts leading to the same place -- a thousand paths to a single destination.

The Golden Rule is the main thing I live by, and every religion I’ve read about or studied -- both East and West – has the Golden Rule as a common thread running through it.

Every person is free to believe whatever the heck they want to believe, but if every person, every business, and every government simply followed the Golden Rule in all their decisions, everything else would just fall into place.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

As a nation, we prepare much for war than we do for peace, and in doing so, we make war inevitable. Achieving peace through strength doesn’t necessarily mean that you need bigger tanks or missiles, for peace can also be achieved through personal strength.

No matter the rationalization, any destructive act leads to other destructive acts. One kid punches and the other kid punches back, and the only it ends is for the kids to grow up and realize that you can actually get in the last lick by taking it, not by giving it.

As much as I admire the non-violent message of Gandhi, in the practical world, the Golden Rule ultimately provides reason in situations where non-violence leaves some tough alternatives. After all, I am only a man, and doubt that my belief in non-violence would restrain my human reaction if you mess with my family.

The practical advantage of the Golden Rule over a philosophy of total non-violence is that by admitting the likelihood of response in the case of an attack by an individual or a nation, you are not left in a defenseless position. The greatest power is one you don’t have to use.

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 12:38 PM

Since when is gang banging the girls in your host country a family value? Since when is murdering a girl for getting "into trouble" so you can clear the family name a family value? Since when does a 60 year old man (operative word: OLD) marrying a teenaged girl against her will a family value. What is peaceful about any of that?

Now who is the liar? Go back and read your book.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 13, 2006 1:29 PM

americaningermany,

"You forget that islam has no "Golden Rule" and they live by violent, evil rules."

In this case, Islam is needed to be dealt with force – the greatest force -- like the way the communist Chinese government mercilessly suppressed any religion which poisoned people’s minds in the past. Soon Muslims will lose their dynamic sense of victimhood when they are a majority and of domination when they are a majority. They will learn to behave themselves like a Westerner or get the hell back to their native countries.

Everyone deserves a good life in the civilzed West! There is no place for trouble-making Muslims here.

At the same time, Westerners should not provoke Muslims. Provocation will be by provocation. Fight, not provoke!

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 1:40 PM

americaningermany,

Maybe it is about time for you to learn some kung fu. At least, you think in kung fu, and fight in "gun" fu -- the best combined fighting skills. :-)

The Muslim troll Ramon is trying to fool infidels into a defenseless position by having them believe that Islam is the only religion that gives the message of peace and harmony. He is indeed a skillful manipulator! Watch out this guy! Well, there is nothing new any more.

King Solomon is right – "That which has been is that which will be. So there is nothing new under the sun!"

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 1:58 PM

All the allegations against the religion of Islam as baseless.

Islam the only religion which gives the message of peace and harmony.

Muslims very friendly, polite and peaceful. It is a very peaceful religion with strong family values.

Posted by: Ramon at November 13, 2006 12:35 PM

.. except, muslims are secretive and vengful liars. If any more proof is necessary, eight of ten world world conflicts, small or largeinvolve the "religion which gives the message of peace and harmony". Smooth crooks and conmen are "very friendly, polite and peaceful", which is essential to decieve, which leads right into the immoral, deceptive and abhorrent concepts of 'taqiyya' and 'kitman'. And behind the hypocritical claim of "family-values", all they have to offer are murder (disguised as "honor-kimmings", decapitation, disguised as "female genital mutilation" and more lies and deception.

One only needs to keep eyes open to see institutional Islamic deception and hypocricy (which is the topic here). Fortunately Americans (like americaningermany) specially on JW, know better than fall for the Islamic deception of "friendly, polite and peaceful, peaceful religion with strong family values".. and know better.

Posted by: Alert at November 13, 2006 2:03 PM

At the same time, Westerners should not provoke Muslims. Provocation will be by provocation. Fight, not provoke!

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 01:40 PM

.. at the same time, umma should stop jihad, kitma, dawa and taqiyya. Ofcourse umma will agree.. taqiyya allows bold-faced lies. So nice try, diplomat, kung fu fighter!

Posted by: Alert at November 13, 2006 2:13 PM

americaningermany,

"Don't worry about the troll Ramon.

He's not dangerous and he is not intelligent enough to be a manipulator."

If you think that Ramon is not dangerous, then his mind, at least partially, is wasted on some unrealistic ideology. If you think that Ramon is not intelligent enough to be a manipulator, then he is manipulated. Yes, he is manipulated by radical imams. In the field of Islam, you either manipulate or are manipulated, like you either hunt or become the hunted in hunting, or like you either kill or get killed in war. Today’s Islam is quite an extreme religion. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 2:19 PM

As much as I admire the non-violent message of Gandhi, in the practical world, the Golden Rule ultimately provides reason in situations where non-violence leaves some tough alternatives. After all, I am only a man, and doubt that my belief in non-violence would restrain my human reaction if you mess with my family.

The practical advantage of the Golden Rule over a philosophy of total non-violence is that by admitting the likelihood of response in the case of an attack by an individual or a nation, you are not left in a defenseless position. The greatest power is one you don’t have to use.

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 13, 2006 12:38 PM

kung fu fighter,

The secret of Gandhi's non-violence and our perceived non-violence is "faith". No amount of hostility, aggression and challanges shok Gandhi's faith. The provocation he faced were hard to comprehend . you can read about it in "Satyagrah in South Africa". To us "only men", the concept of unshakable faith is hard but Indian culture, history and spirituality (recent examples of Meerabai and Narshigh Mehta) provide ample evidence. Given our mortal limitations, we have no faith in our beliefs of "non-violence". But then, "faith" is what seperates us boys from men like Gandhi.

Posted by: Alert at November 13, 2006 2:37 PM

Alert,

Thank you for your wise input!

americaningermany,

Thank you for your great effort to spot trolls here!

Posted by: kung fu fighter at November 14, 2006 12:33 AM

>>As far as different religions are concerned, to me they’re just different parts leading to the same place -- a thousand paths to a single destination>>

Posted by kung fu fighter.

Since you claim to have accessed the "golden rule" and the "thread" therein,
you must also be well aware of the Omnipresence of God. You must be aware of the import of "Jehovah" and "In HIm we move and Have our Being". I am sparing you in all kindness "good for nothing indian" aphorisms as they too essentially echo the same Truth. When are "at home" ,both literally and figuratively,(in your own house) would you be groping for different
"paths" to reach home?

The "different paths" so frequently invoked to justify evil and violent ideologies is akin to setting fire to one's own house, killing all and trumpeting i-am-in-the-same-house.

When a Hindu (Pride has taken possession of me;)) says "different paths", it is akin to someone within one's own house moving about different rooms like kitchen, living, bed and bathrooms and gardening so forth. I dare not break into my neighbour's house reciting some "revelations"....One who hears different voices is a nut case.

gandhi like certain others frequently heard "inner voices". Chew on it.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 14, 2006 4:14 AM

Americaningermany,

In all fairness I HAVE to share something with you. What really happened (must be happening still) when I went to college. Being a hindu, I am very well aware of many of their meanmindedness, lack of compassion, grotesque hypocrisy, as, obviously grew among a wide circle of so called relatives.

There was this Muslim girl, who became a close friend of mine as I found her not only kindhearted, with a good sense of humour but also with a touch of class. She had lost her father at the age of three, but thank God, her mother was wise enough to send her to a convent(one of the best in Kolkata) and not madrassa. No burkha. But I noticed she was always surrounded (kind of shepherded around) by certain superrich Hindu friends (who were the daughters of filthy rich businessmen. The college too was being run by a rich businesshouse ) who I was not pally with. She would mysteriously disappear, return after a long gap , cry in a corner ,writhing in pain. When I tried to approach her, those *friends* surrounding her would urge me to leave calling it "headache".

Suddenly, I too lost my father and had to quit college. Years later I came to know, the hindu girls' families along with a superrich muslim (who was exxtremely close to congress party )and editor of a newspaper group (soft porn magazines etc) who all lived in the same apartment in that upscale locality were running a sex club with drugs , porn movies etc and that the Muslim friend I talked about was lured by them, drugged, raped and blackmailed and this was how she vanished later.

Such helpless, voiceless victims NEED to be liberated from islam. Eloquent proof of the ETHICS of hindus who hasten to thump their chests.

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 14, 2006 5:30 AM

"Thanks for mentioning "Jehovah" too"!

Americaningermany,

I am sending your Thanks to the AllPervading God!

I owe whatever I have learnt to Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi. He pointed out the core messages from Bible and said "I Am That I Am" ,"Jehovah" (or Yahweh) "Unal Haq" of preislamic Arabia and the Four MahaVakyas of the Four Vedas all essentially convey the same TRUTH.

It is so much more simple and effortless to live in peace. Whereas, it takes a hell of a lot of devilish thinking and fiendish plotting constantly coining *isms* galore to wreck peace and wreak havoc.

Tell me honestly, do we really thumb through verses before interacting with people around?

"God Created Cosmos and man created chaos".

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 14, 2006 7:55 AM

" They pretend to be ultra-religious ........
No other "religion" on earth justifies and promotes the kind of violence and downright disrespect for human life that islam does".

Yes, I have also become extremely wary of them as the adage goes "The burnt child dreads the fire".

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 14, 2006 12:01 PM

Before this thread goes into archives let me make the candid statement in this non pc forum. The name Germany in your name makes me write this.

I owe immense gratitude to Hahnemann for having given Classical Homeopathy to us and Bach for his Flower remedies. Even Homeopathy is taboo as per islam, can you beat it?

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 14, 2006 12:09 PM