Pesky Zionists at it again! Trying to ruin a-Q's good name.

Sounds like it's time to start lobbing more "defensive" missiles at Israeli towns in response to this attempt at subterfuge.

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 13, 2006 2:59 PM

Is that the Democracy Is On the March Lebanese government, the one headed by weepy Siniora, or is it the Democracy Is In Retreat Lebanese government, or is it the Lebanese we'd-damn-sure-not-have-a-real-democracy-because-then-Hezbollah-and-the-Shi'a-would-take-over-and-that-wouldd-be-the-end-for-the-Christians-(especially-Maronites)-in-Lebanon government, that Al Qaeda threatens to do in, thereby of course making Lebanon even safer for the Shi'a.

Too bad no one in Washington can figure out a way to get the Shi'a of Hezbollah and of the Islamic Republic of Iran to become more and more openly hostile to the arch-Sunnis of Saudi Arabia and of Al Qaeda.

All over Washington for years now people have been racking their brains trying to think of a way to arrange that, but so far no one has come up with anything that might conceivably work.

Just doesn't seem doable.

Damn.

Posted by: Hugh at November 13, 2006 3:02 PM

First off what is AlQueda.Its a Radical Muslum grouping.Is Hezbollah AlQueda?What about Hamas?Or the PLO?This is of course the center of the bongled efforts to defuse the threats of this brand of Islam.AlQueda is not binladen.Its just the most agreeable way to describe the thret of radical Islam.When all the whoey is striped away we may find that all the groups above and many more make up the network of radical Islam.Frankly thats the Fact.But weve desided to where blinders to the Fact.Ofcourse theres many many reasons to these policies.But let us not fool ourselves.There are many groups that make up the thret of AlQueda.Some the western governments have declared moderate.And others theres disagreement.But Hezbollah,Plo,Hamas and many others make up the base.The record is unavoidable.

Posted by: Rench at November 13, 2006 3:06 PM

Let's get glorified school marm Rice in there again with another "robust plan"

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 13, 2006 3:08 PM

Perhaps soon the world will understand that Lebanon is, and has been, as much as Israel, ground zero in the ongoing war which islamists have waged against the rest of the world. It will continue to be a problem as long as Jews and Christians and moderate muslims refuse to allow Hezbullah and the Iranians to rule an islamic caliphate.

Posted by: Purveyor of truth at November 13, 2006 3:13 PM

Gee, now everyone wants to topple the Cedars of Lebanon:

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2006/11/01/terrorist-states-wish-to-topple-the-cedars-of-lebanon

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 13, 2006 3:21 PM

Lebanon hasn't had an independent government in ages. It long has been Syria's plaything and now it's Iran's as well. However,it would not be surprising if Lebanon called on Israel to help fight Al Qaeda if its neck is on the line. As always, those evil Zionists will look a lot better than Al Qaeda to that sham government.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 13, 2006 3:24 PM

If they succeed with overthrowing Lebanon's government, Israel will kick their ass. I seriously doubt the Jews will take this crap--being neighbours to Al Qaida.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 13, 2006 3:25 PM

sounds like al-qaeda is jealous of hizbullah.

After all - al-qaeda is only 'the base' while Hizb-allah is the 'Party of Allah'.

Lebanon does have alot more good things to rape and steal than Afghanistan did. Hashish is better for you than opium, to be sure.

I think the sunni bros just want a piece of the action... they don't probably really care about Lebanese.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 13, 2006 3:42 PM

Has someone informed the French yet?

Talk about "Fighting the Wrong War"???

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 13, 2006 4:00 PM

The sad part about all of this is Lebanon is one of the countries if we backed the Christians in the north we might win in. Alas no one is allowed to back them becuase that would offend the Shia and Sunni and god knows what would OPEC do????

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 13, 2006 4:05 PM

If the Lebanese government is receiving orders from the American administration then they're either deaf, dumb or mute... or stupid.

They haven't done one thing to obey their American masters.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 13, 2006 4:11 PM

Israel - Do you hear an opportunity knocking!!

Now that you have cleverly tricked more Islamakazes into congregating in Lebanon, I say, go for it: remove the barbaric vermon and the resources made available to them from the face of the earth;
I have no problem with that.

Posted by: Malinois at November 13, 2006 4:18 PM

What’s to topple? The Lebanese branch of Mullah’s Inc.©, Hezbollah, have been doing an excellent job without assistance, thank you so much: Lebanon Talks Collapse as Shiites Vacate Cabinet

In point of fact, the Israeli campaign was far more successful than many would like us to believe.

Posted by: Eg at November 13, 2006 4:21 PM

Remember that whiney cry baby Prime Minister of Lebanon? Siniora, the one that has been calling Israel a war criminal, the one that has been condemning America..this is the man that is backed by the Bush Administration...and the Lebanese government has a President (A "Christian" at that) that is pro Syrian (Emile Lahud).

Looks to me like Dar al Islam has it's own "red state" v "Blue state", thing..competition between Sunni Al Qaida and Shi'a Hizballah/SCIRI.

While they may fight, politic, jockey against and even kill each other.. the thing that unites them is their hostility towards Da Joo and Harbi's.

Posted by: Nariz at November 13, 2006 4:34 PM

Islamists infiltrate four universities

ISLAMIC extremists have infiltrated at least four British universities to radicalise Muslim students, says a “troubleshooting” imam who sends teams to campuses to tackle indoctrination.

Sheikh Musa Admani believes fundamentalists are bypassing campus bans on groups with radical links by presenting themselves as “ordinary Muslims” to fellow students or forming societies with alternative names.

Some students, says Admani, have been so deeply indoctrinated that they are close to travelling to Afghanistan and Iraq to engage in jihad, or holy war.

Admani, a Muslim chaplain at London Metropolitan University, runs a charity that helps to rehabilitate young men who have fallen prey to extremism. He is also an adviser on Muslim affairs to Bill Rammell, the higher education minister.

“We are dealing with people filled with hatred,” said Admani. “It’s hatred for the white man and the West in particular, because they have read the works of Qutb and Maududi (Islamist ideologues followed by Al-Qaeda) who set Muslims apart from everyone else.”

Posted by: DP111 at November 13, 2006 4:39 PM

DP111 - "It's hatred for the white man..." Naive me. I thought that Islam embraces people of all races.

Posted by: MP at November 13, 2006 5:05 PM

More from AQ.

Al Qaeda seeking nuclear kit for attacks: UK official

LONDON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda is trying to acquire the technology that would enable it to use a nuclear device to attack Western targets including Britain, a senior British official said on Monday.
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"We know the aspiration is there. We know attempts to gather materials are there, we know that attempts to gather technology are there," the senior Foreign Office official told reporters.

The comments at a briefing came days after the head of Britain's domestic spy agency said Muslim extremists were plotting at least 30 major terrorist attacks in Britain which could involve chemical and nuclear devices.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061113/ts_nm/security_britain_dc_1

Posted by: DP111 at November 13, 2006 5:29 PM

-Nariz,

Don't you mean "Green State" vs. "(a different shade of-) Green State"?

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 13, 2006 5:33 PM

MP

Admani is a Muslim, and here he is trying to make out that the hatred that inspires British Muslims is race based. This also goes along well with the establishment and the BBC.

Admani is practising Taqqiya of the subtle sort in not telling the truth, ie the hatred is religious in origin. He is also protecting Islam, as he is required to do.

And the link for the Times article is here

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061113/ts_nm/security_britain_dc_1

Forgot to put it up. Apologies.

Posted by: DP111 at November 13, 2006 5:35 PM

A few months back BBC radio ran a story on the history of Lebanon. According to them, Lebanon was created to be a bastion for the remnant Christian community of the MidEast. (Any historians out there that can confirm this?) Of course the Muslims wouldn't tolerate such a thing and its been a target for jihad ever since. Perhaps this recent threat should be viewed not just in light of present day politics, but from a broader historical perspective?

Posted by: bluezion at November 13, 2006 7:07 PM

The area was always a haven for Christians who in the mountains (expressed in that singular toponym Mont Liban, or Mount Lebanon)could hold out for centuries against circumambient Muslims, and did.

But Lebanon as a political entity was envisaged as a place where the Christains could prevail, and for a while, especially with French help and influence, they did. The "Palestinian" Muslims and the higher breeding rates of both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims, and then the many Christian Lebanese who over time left for America, Canada, Australia, because of the perceived pressure of Islam (some of the descendants of those Lebanese Christian refugees from Islam have forgotten, or never looked into, their own ancestors' reasons for emigrating, and have even, in the guise of such deliberately false and easily exploitable categories as "Arab-American" (as if Christian Lebanese, or any other Arabic-speaking Christians, had anything really in common with the Muslims who have always persecuted them), sometimes believed themselves to share interests with Muslim Arabs. Since the reputation of Lebanese-Americans is high, and that of Muslim Arabs love, the attempt by the latter is to take advantage of the former and to hide, as it were, behind a Lebanese Christian cover, or camouflaged by being conflated with, the descendants of Lebanese Christians. It won't work. And it won't work because there are too many Arabic-speaking Christians (Maronites, Greek Orthodox, Copts, Chaldeans, Assyrians) from the Middle East who know what treatment they received, or their ancestors did, from Muslim Arabs, and are unwilling to be manipulated by those who persecuted their families,or who are descended from the persecutors. Once out of the Middle East, the internalized attitudes of dhimmitude continue for a while, but then, gradually, are sloughed off when the fear of Muslims is lost, and then Arabic-speaking Christians (not the same thing as Arabs) are quite capable of seeing the situation correctly, and recognizing the attempts by Muslims to use them for their own Muslim purposes.

Posted by: Hugh at November 13, 2006 7:34 PM

Hugh:

"The "Palestinian" Muslims and the higher breeding rates of both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims, and then the many Christian Lebanese who over time left for America, Canada, Australia, because of the perceived pressure of Islam..."

I find these facts disturbing. I see the same thing happening in Europe. Muslim pressure is making major areas of Europe uninhabitable for non-Muslims who are now emigrating in large numbers.

Posted by: bluezion at November 13, 2006 8:09 PM

Remotely OT;

From article:
“….according to a London-based Arabic newspaper Monday.”

Why must they have their own newspaper/Propaganda and hate spreading outlet?

Even though the threat was surely issued in Arabic, I find it ironic the Islamic newspaper just happened to have this info first.

Posted by: weekendhammerman at November 13, 2006 8:35 PM

Islam wants to conquer the whole earth, so of course they want to topple the Lebanese government.

Posted by: champ at November 13, 2006 9:00 PM

Hezbollah’s leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, had threatened to stage street demonstrations aimed at bringing down the American-backed government if his alliance’s demands for greater power were not met by Monday. After the talks collapsed, Sheik Nasrallah’s deputy, Sheik Naim Qassem, said at a news conference that his group would study what happened and might decide to demonstrate. sounds like the muslims are are going to do what they do one of the two thingsthey best form a mob and run ramppet crying death to jews death to America burn flags and destry infidel proporty
the other being terrorisim

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 13, 2006 9:09 PM

promises, promises, but no action........

Posted by: Texican at November 13, 2006 9:25 PM

Hugh, someone--can you lay out the percentages of Shiite, Sunni, Christians, and others--we used to hear about druse and phalange (sp?) militias too--and who are are these if they are still there?

It seems to me that we should support our guys there--our guys being anyone but the muslim groups--to help them stand. I recall during the Israeli incusion into Lebanon this summer we would hear alternating statements--first it was Nasrallah--the hizbo cleric nut and then it was weak man/president Siniora--BOTH decried the incursion and gave ALL blame to Israel (what's new?). You NEVER heard Siniora give one speck of responsibility to the hizbos--though they have rocket bombed into Israel from Lebanon for decades--whether Siniora is a chicken, a puppet or a stooge--it makes little difference--the hizbos need their butts whipped and sent back to caves in their own lands in Syria and Iran. if they have a Christian leader in Lebanon--all is not lost yet. It sounds like the time is running out.

Posted by: BB at November 13, 2006 9:27 PM

I didn't really see a good threat to post this in- so I'll just post it here- kinda off topic- Did amyone else see the statement tonight by the Muslims stating that they are AGAINST taking Christ out of Christimas because 'it reflects badly on both Islam and Christianity and increases tensions between the two'?

I've got a theory going that in the end times, the one world religion group (most likely Islam) will call for peace peace after they have the world in their grips & feel confident that the world has succomed and submitted. This current call for a 'siding with Christinaity' might be a sign of things to come.

One point that struck me tonight when I heard this about how descrimination against Christians equates with discriminating agianst Islam was that in a strange way, it might help the Christian cause (at least temporarily) because the world dares not 'enrage' the Islamics & if- IF the Muslim extremists become violent over this issue, the world will back off of trying to kick God out of society. Not that this is how Christians want things to go down of course, but it may be an innevitable outcome that we have no control over- Radical terrorists ARE running the show with all their fauex outrage over issues.

Christian news and commentary at: sacredscoop.com ...

Posted by: CottShop at November 13, 2006 9:28 PM

If it actually happens the NY Times knows who to blame:

http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/files/plastisch/nyt-g.png

Posted by: DrWolffenstein at November 13, 2006 9:28 PM

BBC frightened of criticising Islam, says archbishop

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 13, 2006 10:40 PM

BB/

Here are some of the major sects within Islam, which has 1.3 billion followers, supposedly:

Sunni:
Accounting for at least 85 percent of the Islamic world, the Sunni claim to be the direct continuation of the faith as defined by Muhammad. For many years they acknowledged the religious authority of a ruling caliph, the major point of contention with the breakaway Shiite movement. The Sunni derive their name through reliance on the "Sunnah" or the observed sayings, lifestyle and practices of Muhammad as recorded in a collection of writings called the Hadith. The Sunni accept the "Sunnah" as a source of spiritual wisdom, while the Shiite insist on the primacy of the Koran.

Shi-ite:
The smaller of the two principal branches of Islam, the Shi-ite account for at least 10 percent of all Muslims. They originally were followers of the fourth caliph, Ali, who was Muhammad's son-in-law through the prophet's daughter Fatima. Ali claimed that Muhammad on his deathbed selected Ali as leader of the faith, but Ali was murdered during the fifth year of his reign. The Shi-ite formally broke away from Muslim leaders recognized by the Sunni around 680. A principal belief of the Shi-ite is that no caliph since Ali has been legitimate. The movement became popular among disaffected non-Arab Muslims who feared they were held in lower esteem within the faith.

Kharijis:
Accounting for less than 1 percent of all Muslims, the Kharijis were the first major schism within Islam. They broke away in 658 when they rejected the use of arbitrators empowered to decide major issues within the faith.

The following sects (and, presumably, others not mentioned) account for the remaining four percent of moslems.

Druze:
A secretive Islamic breakaway group concentrated in Lebanon around Mt. Hermon and in the mountains near Beirut and Sidon. They refer to themselves as the Mowahhidoon. Most Muslims consider the sect blasphemous since it declared that God was manifested in human form as the Egyptian caliph al Hakim Bi-amr Allah 1,000 years ago. They number at least 250,000. The Druze do not accept new members, virtually never discuss their faith and often pose as members of the dominant religion where they live.

Alawi:
A small branch of Islam that broke away from the Shi-ite in the Ninth Century under the leadership of Ibn Nucair Namin Abdi. Almost exclusively found on the Syrian coast plains, the Alawi have 1.5 million members including Syrian President Hafez Assad.

Ismali:
A Shiite sect that believes the succession of spiritual leadership should have continued through the sons of Muhammad Ibn Isma'il. The Ismali believe that Islam has never been without a living Imam, even though clearly recognized spiritual authority became increasingly rare as Islam matured.

Ahmadiyyah:
Founded in Qadian, India, by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908. Ahmadis believe their founder was a renovator of Islam, a position most of the world's Muslims consider to be heretical. The group has many enthusiastic missionaries.

Sufi:
These are the mystics within the Muslim faith, a religious order that follows mystical interpretations of Islamic doctrines and practices.

Wahhabi Movement:
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab began a campaign of spiritual renewal in the smaller city states of Arabia in the mid- 1700s. His extremely traditional group opposed all innovations within Islam, often using violence to enforce its views. The group threatened to become the first nation state in Arabia, prompting a crackdown by the Egyptian army in 1818. Today, Wahhabism is quite strong in Saudi Arabia. It demands punishment for those who enjoy any form of music except the drum and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam. Wahhabism has been an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.

All of the above is drawn from -

http://www.rickross.com/reference/islamic/islamic27.html

Which, I think, might be substantially correct. I am prepared to be corrected without argument if anyone has better information. Hugh? Robert?

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 13, 2006 11:42 PM

BB/

See also -

http://www.starman3000.com/research_013.htm

and -

www.namb.net/atf/cf/%7BCDA250E8-8866-4236-9A0C-C646DE153446%7D/BB_Islam.pdf

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 13, 2006 11:53 PM

BB/

Sorry. The second link is -

http://www.namb.net/atf/cf/%7BCDA250E8-8866-4236-9A0C-C646DE153446%7D/BB_Islam.pdf

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 13, 2006 11:54 PM

Lebanon is very old and predates Christianity as well as Islam.

The Christians were the major force in Lebanon until the war that saw Syria taking control of the country, and then it was ripped apart by the infiltration of the Hezbollah from Iran.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at November 14, 2006 12:36 AM

<irony>
How can this be?
</irony>

One moment Al-Qaida don't exist, then they exist, then they don't exist again ... and now they are threatening to topple governments (again) ...

Posted by: drk at November 14, 2006 6:45 AM

I forgot to add - Lebanon is in my list of "occupied countries" along with the Gaza strip and Palestine ..

.. followed by Syria, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt Turkey, Bangladesh, Afghanisatan, and Beluchistan, (and most other places ending in "stan") along with parts of Indonesia and large swathes of Africa ...

The only places I don't see as "occupied" are the bits that the Arabic countries occupy - it was theirs to start with and its OK for them to have it now.

Everything else - they weren't Islamic states to start with and its time to start giving back the occupied territories ...

Which reminds me of my personal slogan - (I live in Andalucia in Spain btw)

"Al-Andaluz! They want it back ... and it wasn't theirs to begin with!" ....

Followed up with:

"I will not submit"

Posted by: drk at November 14, 2006 6:55 AM

drk:

Best of luck to you and the Spanish people who are led by a quisling who happily mugs for the cameras with a kefiya tied around his neck (Zapatero). You have quite a fight ahead of you.

******

Admani, a Muslim chaplain at London Metropolitan University, runs a charity that helps to rehabilitate young men who have fallen prey to extremism. He is also an adviser on Muslim affairs to Bill Rammell, the higher education minister.
[...]

Posted by: DP111 at November 13, 2006 04:39 PM

Now there's an original ploy -- a Muslim charity to rehab jihaddists. I'd watch Admani & Co very, very carefully.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 14, 2006 7:37 AM

FIRST MEETING: A quantum-scale micro-play in one lowest-level, indivisible part

Players-
Achmed: a jihadi who's hit rock bottom
Group: jovial fellows seeking to clear their consciences (hmm...)

Part A
Act I
Scene 1

Achmed: "Uh...Hi. My name is...Achmed, and I'm a...uh...jihadist."

Group: "Hi Achmed!"

Achmed: "Uh...hi. It's...uh...been three months since my last...uh...Infidel beheading..."

End

Posted by: Eisenhund at November 14, 2006 11:08 AM

Ramon, dear.
The Lord soon will decide about this case.
HE has already told us through His prophets what will happen and I trust in Him. I`m not afraid of
evil persons, lyars and not even of cowards.
If you think your view of history is right: Prove it with facts. With facts.
I`m waiting.

Posted by: sol at November 14, 2006 2:31 PM

Thanks Dominic for the posts and the islamic sect info. Nevertheless, I am still unclear how the Christians fit into the picture in Lebanon--if they are a minority--how is the president a Christian? Is there a basis to hlep them take the country to keep it from the islamic nuts?

Posted by: BB at November 14, 2006 10:41 PM