We promise you, Oh Nation of Muhammed, piss be upon him, that we will massacre the Jihadists along with their agents and dogs. Our swords drip with their blood and they will not cool off except in their chests and on their necks. We promise you that we will institute the righteous state in the land of the camels. We will rule the land and people by the laws of God, Almighty.

There! Now that sounds a lot better...

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 15, 2006 12:28 PM

...but Allah is a non-existent myth.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at November 15, 2006 12:28 PM

Are you listening, Fearless Leaders? You are the ones sending money and support to those who want us dead. And you are allowing them to live among us.

Posted by: freewoman at November 15, 2006 12:32 PM

HEAD OVER HEELS IN LOVE WITH DEATH!

Leave these wild Muslim asses and the garbage dump called Iraq they live in. Let them kill the Shia and their Iranian masters and let the Shia and their Iranian masters then take revenge and kill many of them. Love of death is a many splendored thing. Go boys, GO!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 15, 2006 12:33 PM

I say let the Shia and Sunni's in iraq have their first civil war to declare a winner for the true islam and real Allah , they bomb each others Mosques while Muslims are mute on these attacks yet will almost riot over a US soldier that entered a Mosque without taking his boots off.
Forget all the weapons stored there, it was a Holy place blessed by Allah and a place of peace and respect.

I'm at the point where i don't believe any of them anymore , Hooper is making a fool of himself which is great for freedom lovers and democracy.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 15, 2006 12:38 PM

Can't you just feel that renowned love that Muslims are so filled with?

The love of bloodthirsty brutality.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 15, 2006 12:40 PM

Peaceful intentions, huh. These rabid-jihad-dogs won't end their massacre with Israel. They won't stop until they've bloodied the whole earth; and when they only have themselves to contend with, then they'll kill each other as well, beginning with all the women.

Posted by: champ at November 15, 2006 12:44 PM

muslims approximately 1/6 of the global population.

But causing 100% of the world's problems.

It is always about the muslims and how THEY are offended. They are under attack. But they are the ones blowing up buses and decapitating people. And we treat them with kids gloves. WTF is happening?

Deport them from the US and the West. They can have all the sharia they want in their own little desert hell holes.

It is good to see this kind of exposure on the MSM. Glenn Beck is on CNN (Calphilate News Network). I am suprised CNN keeps him on the air. Must be their own little form of Taqyia.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

They are in your backyard and they are not your friends.

Posted by: KillHankKill at November 15, 2006 12:45 PM

Evil, Genocide and Wars Spread by Judaism and Christianity

Numbers 25:4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the HEADS of the people, and HANG them up before the LORD AGAINST THE SUN, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.

Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee [for] an inheritance, THOU SHALT SAVE ALIVE NOTHING THAT BREATHETH:

Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt UTTERLY DESTROY them; [namely], the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath COMMANDED THEE:

Judges 1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they SLEW of them in Bezek TEN THOUSAND MEN.

Judges 1:5 And they found Adonibezek in Bezek: and they fought against him, and they SLEW the Canaanites and the Perizzites.

Judges 1:6 But Adonibezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and CUT OFF HIS THUMBS AND HIS GREAT TOES.

Ezek. 9:5 And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY UTTERLY OLD AND YOUNG, BOTH MAIDS AND LITTLE CHILDREN, AND WOMEN.

[Num. 31:1] And the Lord said unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'-an'ites.. They warred against the Mid'-i-an'ites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males. And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. Moses said, "HAVE YOU SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN that has known a man by lying with him, but all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.

[Josh 6:16] Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city (of the Canaanites).. all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are c consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.

Posted by: Ramon at November 15, 2006 12:50 PM

"...along with their agents and dogs..."

Is it the bomb-sniffing dogs they fear or the Abu-Gahraib variety?

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 15, 2006 12:57 PM

Ramon,

Hah! God speaks very clearly in those passages. HE never said, "Kill the Unbelievers" So, unless you're a Hitite, Jebusite, or one of the other, "'ites" then these statements are of no concern to you. Unlike the commands in the Qur'an, which apply to ANYONE who isn't Muslim...

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 15, 2006 12:57 PM

Notice ALL the quotes that our muslims like to quote are historical related quotes from the Torah (old testament) not ongoing commands to the faithful! No jew or christian takes these as commands to kill others and never did.

HOWEVER all the killing quotes of Allah in the Quran and hadiths are stated for ALL times to his muslim followers (plus theres far more of them).

Here are some:

Fighting

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

So we see CLEARLY unlike any other faith or philosophy in the world (except for Nazism): Islam preaches forcible violence right from the beginning, right from the get go as the Americans say in order to conquer the world.

There is simply no equivlalent in the jewish,christian,sikh,buddist etc faith.

Only islamofascists dance around and scream allah ackbhar and slice peoples throats. What other relgions doing now? nothing they are trying to live their lives. Why do not the moderate muslims rise up and condemn islamofascism if its not a true representation of Islam. Because they know in their hearts it is a true representation of Islam.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 12:58 PM

Ramon - Are you an atheist or perhaps an agnostic?

Posted by: MP at November 15, 2006 1:01 PM

Ramoan cuts and pastes:

"Evil, Genocide and Wars Spread by Judaism and Christianity..."

Exactly which scripture there involved Christians?

Junior colleges are very inexpensive by the way. You should look into it.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 15, 2006 1:02 PM

Here is some more. The Quran and hadiths are filled with hatred. Muslims not Christians or jews or others but MUSLIMS are killing innocents around the world and threatening them:

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”

Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”

Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”
Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”

Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”

Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”

Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.’”

Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

Qur’an:48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”

Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Qur’an:47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”

Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.’”

Qur’an:9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”

Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”

Qur’an:5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”

Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”

Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”

Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”

Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”

Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”

Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”

Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”

Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’”

Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”

Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.’”

Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”

Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”

Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”
Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”

Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”

Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”

Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”

Qur’an:2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”

Qur’an:2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”

Qur’an:2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?’”

Ishaq:280 “The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah’s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.”

Qur’an:61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”

Bukhari:V4B52N61 “Allah’s Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight.”

Ishaq:398 “Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage.”

Qur’an:3:146 “How many prophets fought in Allah’s Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah’s Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors].”

Ishaq:393 “How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast.”

Qur’an:3:153 “Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you.”

Qur’an:3:154 “Say: ‘Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain.”

Ishaq:440 “Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad’s foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword.”

Ishaq:470 “We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls.”
Qur’an:61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”

Qur’an:61:11 “Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah’s Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!”

Qur’an 61:12 “He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies.”

Qur’an:8:5 “Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting).”

Qur’an:24:53 “They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah’s Cause). Say: ‘Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.’”

Qur’an:4:74 “Let those who fight in Allah’s Cause sell this world’s life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah’s Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.”

Qur’an:4:75 “What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah’s Cause?” [Another translation says:] “What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?”

Qur’an:4:76 “Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah.”

Qur’an:4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”

Qur’an:4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”

Qur’an:4:84 “Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah’s Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you.”

Qur’an:4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”

Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward.”

Qur’an:4:100 “He who leaves his home in Allah’s Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy.”

Qur’an:4:102 “When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come—taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.”

Qur’an:4:104 “And do not relent in pursuing the enemy.”

UNLIKE THE BIBLE --THE QURAN/HADITHS HAS PLENTIFUL AND ****ONGOING**** COMMANDS FOR MUSLIMS OF ALL AGES.

ANYWAY EVEN IF YOU DIDNT KNOW THE ABOVE QUOTES YOU CAN SEE BY THE ACTIONS OF THE ISLAMOFASCISTS WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS AND WHO ARE THE BAD GUYS.

AS JESUS SAID "By their fruits you shall know them"

He also said: "treat others as you want them to treat you."

In Islam you are not to treat Kafiirs with respect or kindness but to "deal harshly with them"

In Chrisitanity you are supposed to love your enemies (ie dont kill them) but live "in peace with all men as much as is possible to you" (Hbr 12:14)

If you cant do that (you cant do that with islam) then defend yourselves my fellow nonmuslims whatever faith or lack of you have. We are in this together against the islamic hatred of our civilization!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 1:08 PM

I think, Ramon, that you have to go an awful long way back into history in order to find Christian or Jewish "atrocities"; yet we could find atrocities in the name of Islam as recently as...today!! Maybe you should look at the Bible more closely, and figure out what God is trying to tell you, rather than latching on to one verse and making a sweeping statement about it. The Bible does not promote murder, in fact bans murder in the Commandments. As a Christian, I am taught that just being ANGRY with my neighbor is akin to murder. So I try not to get angry. Being an imperfect human, I tend to get angry, but never to the point of murder. And I think enough folks have pointed out here already that the lunatic Mohamet propagated slaughter through his deranged writings and lies. Religion of Peace my ass.

Posted by: hueyp6us at November 15, 2006 1:11 PM

The Allies Shall Win,

Ramon's reply will probably be, "Well, I'm not an Islamic Scholar..."

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 15, 2006 1:23 PM

@Ramon

Good that you're reading the Old Testament.

You know those Jews that you hate and want to kill? Well, they can be some real nasty bastards when it comes to defending their Promised Land.

The God of Israel doesn't mess around. The Children of Israel don't mess around.

I wouldn't mess with the Jews if I were a Muslim. But thank God I am not a Muslim idiot like you.

I'll be cheering for the God of Israel to wipe out the false idol Allah and the evil fiend Mohammad, may his name and memory be erased from the earth, Amen.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 15, 2006 1:29 PM

Doctor Bulldog
Exactly ! Thats hilarious --when they cannot defend themselves they always seem to say that exact phrase. Like you have to be an islamic scholar to know the basics! The same basics covered in excellent english translations of quran and hadith available in books published by SAUDI ARABIAN presses. Like my copy of the book: "The Noble Quran"

Ynkedoodl2 Yep its a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God, the God of Israel.

Not some little moongod wimp named allah who needs followers to to do his dirty work for him.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 1:43 PM

StillFedUp sure, please scroll up and read my smattering of quotes from the Islamic scriptures.
Also the others comments on Ramon's quoting of historical ot scriptures.

StillFedUp --your handle reminds me how fed up I am also of these islamofascist creeps.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 1:45 PM

PS other than showing them that their scriptures are talking of ONGOING commands to kill nonbelievers, pointing out that old testament quotes are historical in nature (and defensive), and pointing to the everyday news events I do not know of anything else to say to wake Ramon up.

I'm afraid the lad has 72 virgins in his head, he isnt thinking with his -ehem- head.

Of course these 72 virgins always morf into 72 flesh eating demons when they jihadist gets there after death. Just ask Muhammed. Or you can see a picture of Muhammed in hell being eaten by a demon here:

http://www.armyofgod.com/Mohameddemons.html

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 1:51 PM

Christ came to free the world from the slavery of Sin, and Islam wishes to enslave the world through force- Sorry Islam- you amy kill the body, but you'll never kill the sanctified soul & our soul will always pray for you that your eyes will one day be opened to the precious message of Jesus Christ and His shedding of His blood for your souls. Christ came with a mesaage of peace- your god advocates death and murder? The spread of your word by force? See, that's what seperates Islam from Christianity- in Christianity, God wants people to love Him out of true love- NOT fear- Islam's god apparently requires their converts be taken by force and indoctrination? What kind of love and devotion is that? A fickle one at best- one that is coerced, not given freely.

Christian news and commentary at: target="_blank">sacredscoop.com ...

Everyone needs to buy the DVD offered on Robert's website, "ISLAM: What the West Needs to Know".

It is a very thorough work on why Muslims have become "radical", and why being "moderate" is no longer in vogue.

It's a must watch!!

Posted by: champ at November 15, 2006 2:10 PM

"Vanquishing falsehood". How interesting. This from people who devoutly believe in talking trees and talking rocks and that the world is flat!!!!

There are some people who really believe that black is orange.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 15, 2006 2:14 PM

memo to 'ramon'

Islam accords itself the "right" to massacre those who do not believe its doctrine which it has exercised throughout the past 14 centuries. Islam IS doing the attacking through its jihad wars against the unbelievers. Hundreds of millions of persons and at least nine major civilizations have fallen to Islam's destructiveness. More yet may be coming.

The members of the non-Islamic world reserve the right to defend themselves and whatever they believes in. Defending oneself against Islam is a non-religious matter really--and it is a right.

Everyone has the right to defend himself or herself. Even when the offending party is a 'religion.' Why you choose to let the attacker off the hook is less important than the fact that you are a making yourself an accessory to genocide. In doing so, you have made yourself beneath contempt and thus are no longer worth the space on any computer screen to accommodate messages.

The western democracies are going to defend themselves against Islam whatever ways they can just as they did against the Nazis. And there is nothing you can say to change that. If you are worried about islam--tough beans. Islam never did anything for humanity anyway. May it vamoose! from earth and the sooner it does so the better for all of us.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 15, 2006 2:26 PM

Evil, Genocide and Wars Spread by Judaism and Christianity

No one else eh?

[Josh 6:16] Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city (of the Canaanites).. all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are c consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.

Go back and read the fine print. This only applied to a very specific (and historically, a very murderous) group of people and more importantly, for a VERY limited time.

Your Quran's mandate to kill infidels encompuses ALL people, EVERYWHERE, for ALL time.

OBTW, you impllied that Christians had a divine mandate to comit genocide and wars?

Tell me, which teaching of Jesus was that where Jesus instructed his followers to do such?

Or was it Peter? Perhaps Paul? No? Timothy maybe? Luke then? No? John? Mark? Matthew? No?

Tell me where I will find this text that you seem to believe is found in the New Testament, so that I may be lifted from my ignorance of Jesus' teachings to his followers about committing genocides and war.

Apparently, I don't understand a thing about Jesus' teachings nor that of his followers according to you.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: witness at November 15, 2006 2:36 PM

"We promise you, Oh Nation of Muhammed, peace be upon him, that we will massacre the Jews and Christians along with their agents and dogs. Our swords drip with their blood and they will not cool off except in their chests and on their necks ... Yadda, Yadda, Yadda."

This guy needs a new speechwriter. He sounds like a bad B-movie.

Posted by: ShortBoard Surfer at November 15, 2006 3:14 PM

Now I'm really confused - in terms of the New World Disorder hoped for my the Mooslims. I AM a Christian, so I get a sword in the chest and neck. BUT, I don't have an "agent." So, how does that add up? I DO have 2 dogs. Does one dog count as a Christian agent? Or are both dogs considered "dogs?"
Islamists are hard to understand.

Posted by: Sansantiago at November 15, 2006 3:45 PM

Step into the light with a rifle in your hand, Mo-foes.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 15, 2006 3:51 PM

Mark Steyn and others speak of islamization bringing about the "reprimitivization of man". However, it is clear that in the case of the bedouin, there is really nothing to reprimitivize.

Posted by: Infidel33 at November 15, 2006 4:04 PM

"Well, I'm not an Islamic Scholar..."

I am. All that is required to be an imam is to read the koran and preach it to others. You don't even have to tell the truth or read it correctly, kewl deal huh? We can all be an imam, no tests no nothing. Start issuing fatwas y'all (that’s southern for youinsguys). Thanks to the net more fatwas have been issued in the last ten years than in the entire history of islam preceding it. Issue anti jihadi fatwas or order them all to stand in front of a train. Nah that would be hateful, lets hold hands and love them (not).

Posted by: Ronin at November 15, 2006 6:58 PM

This "Naseem" person is an odd creature to be sure. "She" acknowldges that Mohammad was a sexual pervert and that portions of the Koran make absolutely NO sense when applied to what we know as true today regarding science and other disciplines of education; yet, she STILL comes here and does her damnedest to propagate Islam's insane ideals. She's honest enough reveal her uncertaintly about Islam, yet is still brainwashed in her insistance that it is a "perfect religion."

I seen in "Naseem" the perfect representative of modern Islam's obvious delemma where it tries to meld real physical reality with the fairy tale nonsense that ol' Mo dreamed up 1400 years ago. Mo's obviously was a horny, perverted child molester, yet he was the last and greatest "prophet of God." There are obvious contradictions and outright BS spoken within the pages of the Koran, yet it is the perfect and final word from the almighty creator of the universe.

I get the feeling sometimes that "Naseem" is hoping that somebody will tell her that it's okay to let go of her phoney "religion," because there won't be any dire consequences if she does so. Inside she knows there is nothing "holy" about Islam. She knows Mohammad was a sick, twisted pervert, and that the words that come from the Koran is also perversion, but she's too scared to throw out something that she's invested her whole life into. She's also afraid of what will happen to her if the Islamic AUTHORITIES hear about it. (And do you blame her?)

Posted by: yohannbiimu at November 15, 2006 7:02 PM

hey Ramon have you been to mecca yet? it seems you have, as the circling around a black rock makes the muslim stupid and dangerous. go back and read the New Testament, you can be saved when you appreciate what Jesus did for human kind. yeah Jesus died a young man begging God his father to forgive us, while the mohoummad died an old unforgiving man, telling his followers to kill all unbelievers of his cult. so RAMON you do need to join the human race, and leave islam to the devil and his kind.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 15, 2006 8:15 PM

JESUS WAS/IS GOD
MUHAMMED WASNT/ISNT

END OF STORY :-)

Posted by: champ at November 15, 2006 8:31 PM

Ramon is an odd one as Trolls usually go. He/She/It drops an absurd post, then leaves, never to be heard from for one or two days, and usually never has the moxie to defend the statement.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 15, 2006 9:08 PM

Wow, these guys are scary. Will they also eat the innards of their enemy too?

I think from now on I'll just call Allah by a new name-Illah. Only mental defectives would do such things for their god. Besides, their god must be nuts to want all this mayhem and mindless violence.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 15, 2006 9:35 PM

Champ- it's that simple- Really. There is no defending radical Islam, and people are beginning to wise up to this fact. WEatching the Glenn Beck show tonight a Muslim was on telling of several thousand Muslims and groups right here in the U.Sare quite literally pissed off that their religion is being hijacked by maggots that murder poeple in the name of religion. The voice of the majority in Islam is being heard, and it is getting louder, but unfortunately it isn't loud enough yet to confront the growing scourge of Islamic-Fascism. Terrorists call for the Islamic equivelent of a contract on people who 'insult them' yet the terrorists are insulting the majority of Islamics by perverting the religion-

Why aren't the majority Muslims calling for a contract on the heads of the terrorists? (Some are infact doing just this- finally) The ONLY way the majority will win is if they dish out to the terrorists the same hting the terrorists are dishing out to everyone else- then, it won't be so appealing to be a terorist knowing that they have a price on their heads & could die for nothing.

Posted by: CottShop at November 15, 2006 9:40 PM

Speaking of Glenn Beck tonight, I still felt that the theme of the presentation was along the lines of the "tiny minority of extremists" are responsible and not the basic teachings of Islam. The slight indications from Walid Shoebat and Nonnie Darwish that basic Islam is the cause were not picked up on by Mr Beck. Doctor Abdullah repeated the complaint the someone is hijacking his religion. If it was stated that these speeches were mostly from Friday sermons, I missed it.

Nevertheless, the simple fact that this was on CNN-HN is groundbreaking.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 15, 2006 10:20 PM

Ramon,

you will make a good Christian Fundamentalist because you love to do the cut and paste of verses that you think prove your point, whilst you forget all about the context of the verses in question.

Take for example the very first verse that you quoted. Your limited understanding of this verse has caused you to jump to the conclusion that this was genocide? However, the conclusion is wrong because the verse has been ripped out of its context. There is not any incitement for either modern Jews or Christians to commit genocide after reading the Book of Numbers.

So, how about we play the context game? It is a game that Fundamentalists normally lose because they do not understand the the meaning of context when it comes to Scripture. First of all, this story deals with the fledgling nation of Israel that had fled from the clutches of Pharoah, and was still in the habit of looking back to old habits picked up in Egypt. The context here is that the people were dwelling in Shittim and whilst there, they had begun to become too involved with the pagan Moabites. The Book of Numbers states that the people "began to play the harlot with the daughters of Moab. These invited the people to the sacrifices of their gods, and the people ate, and bowed down to their gods. So Israel yoked himself to Baal of Peor." (Numbers 25:1-3)

The command by the Lord is that the leaders or the chiefs of the people who had behaved in this way were to be hanged for their apostasy. This is of course a primitive people, and they were easily seduced by these idolatrous cults. The stories serve as a warning about the consequences of taking part in Canaanite rites, which was a constant temptation to the Israelites. In this case, the punishment of the leaders of the people is due to their own willing participation in filthy practices, and that participation was considered to have polluted the faith of the people. Reading on, as far as context goes, the story continued: "And Moses said to the judges of Israel, "Every one of you slay his men who have yoked themselves to Baal of Peor." (v5). In other words the punishment was given to those who had married the Moabite women, and who had encouraged others to take part in evil activity.

If you are going to quote from our Scriptures you need to learn Hebrew first, and then the Greek, otherwise you lose something from the translation. Unfotunately your quotes out of context do miss something in the translation and you make false accusations. Shame on you.

Posted by: Maggie4Life at November 15, 2006 11:23 PM

Cottshop -

You obviously haven't seen the DVD, because if you had, then you would've understood my point. I don't want to say too much about it out of consideration for those who haven't seen it yet, so please reserve any judgements until AFTER you've seen it.

Posted by: champ at November 15, 2006 11:50 PM

Sick, sick ROP. Now just what the hell did my dog ever do to islam?

Posted by: AlabamaInfidel at November 16, 2006 6:54 AM

I had a black dog (apparently the WORST kind of dog in Islam) I'm finding another one to keep Muslims away.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 16, 2006 12:15 PM

It is a game that Fundamentalists normally lose because they do not understand the the meaning of context when it comes to Scripture...

Now I'm curious as to what you mean by "Fundamentalists." It seems to have a pejorative ring to it in the context in which you place it, but I could be mistaken.

Does this mean anyone who considers Biblical text as "literal" as opposed to fictional is a "Fundamentalists?"

If only parts are fictional, then which parts are literal?

For that matter, which sections of the Bible can be taken as "literal" by a reasonable individual so that they won't be stigmatized as a "Fundamentalists" if indeed you mean that in a pejoritive sense?

If the whole Bible is fiction, then there is no problem with fictionalizing history either this way or that -- because there are no absolutes only relative values systems; but this is itself a statement of absolutes which is self-contradictory and thus irrational!

The whole blinking world is irrational then.

Gad!

Posted by: witness at November 16, 2006 1:08 PM

Witness (above) "Does this mean anyone who considers Biblical text as "literal" as opposed to fictional is a Fundamentalists?..."
Your assumption in this question is that it is either or; that if one does not read the text as "literal" it must mean that he considers it "fictional."
I could say that I have "butterflies in my stomach" to indicate a state of eager anticipation. If you were to take me literally, YOUR interpretation would be fictional.
I read in Genesis that God made the world in 6 days. I don't take that literally - although it could be literal. I read it as a true story, the truth being that God is the author of everything and that all has come into existence by His Word over a period of time.
Most Christian fundamentalists I've spoken with take everything in the Bible literally EXCEPT the words of Jesus at the Last Supper "Take, eat, this is my Body..." etc. That, they say, was "symbolic."
Most Christians who do not subscribe to Eastern Orthodoxy or Roman Catholicism believe that each individual believer is free to read and interpret Scripture. But for many of them, if they don't read and interpret it in a given sense, they are in error. Hence, they need no Pope or Council to declare them heretical. They can do this to one another.
At any rate, just for the record, not taking something literally does not equal regarding the text as fictional.
As for the un-holy Quran, any interpretation is up for grabs and there is no single authority for interpretation. But the many commandments to slay and behead are hard to take other than literally. AND while the Bible has some difficult passages, there is none of the nonsense, untranslatable words, etc. that abound in the Quran.

Posted by: Sansantiago at November 16, 2006 6:00 PM

Sansantiago

Thank you -- I agree.

Posted by: witness at November 16, 2006 8:25 PM

Some folks here sure are full of "bunk" (or rather, hot air). Learn a little Arabic will ya! Many eloquent Muslims are in fact confronting the terrorist ideology, on many platforms, here and abroad. Of course, Robert needs to scrutinize everyone of them, to find something he thinks is wrong (Of course, I wonder just what he might find if he was so diligent in scrutinizing those who generously make comments here?). Many openly and aggressively support our efforts and us, IF you care to look.

Osama wanted to start a religious war, and some of my fellow Americans are all to eager to let him ave one. As your fellow American, sorry, but I won't have MY tax dollars spent fighting and evangelical "christian" crusade!

Even in Saudi, mouthpiece of the Wahabbis, things are changing, if you deign to look. Sadly, few are much inlcined to pay any attention to curious events like this:

I openly and proudly support those Muslims who serve in our military, FBI, CIA, and other branches of government. They provide much needed services such as tranlsation, they guard our embassies, and (dare I say it) are even admired by some of my fellow Americans who served with them.

Of course, many are wont to claim that most Muslims engage in taqiyya, (which is not true, even Daniel Pipes mentioned that this term is now commonly incorrectly by some of the media pundits today- an utter misnomer for something that really and truly is a Shia convention. We shoudl just call it what it is - double speak- and not invent terms from half-baked morons who can't manage to learn even a little bit of Arabic).

The thing is, most people here just need to vent readily eat up the alarmism without using their brain. God forbid that there are Muslims who act humanely, who are actively standing up, within Islamic society, dare confront the violent ideology of the Islamists, and actually do a much better job of addressing these issues and speaking to the hearts and minds of Muslims far more sucessfully than a bunch of Angry Americans seem to fathom. They also do it far more personal risk than many here can begin to imagine. Just what’s wrong with supporting them?

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/11/horde_storms_co.php#more

Violent fundies don’t speak for all Muslims, nor are they "true Muslims" any more than Serb militia (and their supporter in churches here in teh US) were "true Christians" while they raped and massacred thousands of Bosnians. Did you take a public stand against atrocities and rape in the name of Christianity that have occurred in recent years?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010319/drakulic

Daniel Pipes has rightly mentioned some Muslims that have stood up to the Wahhabis & Co- in fact some who have done this now for centuries. he has rightly pointed to Sufis for starters… think they aren;t true Muslims? Well, I don;t think that is how they see it as all, but what do you know?

Care to have a look at Turkey, Malaysia, and the Bosnian Republic? Just which one is "Islamist"? More Muslims live in India than in any other country. While fundamentalist Jihadis are attempting to impose their own ultra-right regime unilateraly, many moderate Indian Muslims are totally against this:

http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060530_baroda.htm

Care to look at what life is like in the UAE? Kuwait? or Bahrayn? Most of the Muslims living there are more liberal than those in the US. Please identify which of the female members of these royals families wears a niqab (face veil), or even a hijab (which overs their hair, and is no different from a nun's habit) Care to acknowledge the efforts the Tunisian and Algerian goverment have taken against Islamic fundamentalism there???

No, it’s not perfect, and it’s not America. There’s plenty room for improvement, and many in the region and within those societies are arguing for just that. Why not applaud them? Let’s remember what a “free country” we were here at home during the 50’s, and how much blood was lost in the march to Civil Rights, shall we?

Please take a very close look at the web sites I posted. Do you know happen to know any moderate Muslims that live here in this country that hate the double speak? I know a lot of Persian expats from Iran that HATE the mullahs and openly applaud and support our efforts. They broadcast from media like Rang-a rang:

http://rangarangtv.com/

whoops! guess someone will heave to learn a little langauge to understand that ! Please let me suggest a good web site where you can start to remedy that little problem:

www.easypersian.com

Plenty of young people from Pakistan are here in this country (and love it) that can’t stand the indoctrination of the madrassahs as well. You'll find many who support these efforts on this little site (Muslims Republicans, by the way):

http://muslimsforamerica.us/

Gee, that’s why the FBI has gone out of their way to actively recruit them in the past few weeks. You got a problem with that? I’m all for it!

What about this group, which has been, interestingly enough, endorsed by Daniel Pipes. Care to have a look?

www.freemuslims.org

Plenty of Saudis that loathe the oppression of their country ( which is why they go drinking in Bahrayn or Swimming in Alexandria or Sharm el Sheikh). Maybe that means that they aren’t “true to their faith: un your book, but to me, it just effectively demonstrates to me the utterly simplistic and myopic terms in which many are inclined to view the world around them.

Think Muslims in America don't take a stand? then look at this:

http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-05/2005-05-13-voa38.cfm?CFID=58246258&CFTOKEN=42752990

http://www.rayhawk.com/classics/matusa/home.html

http://www.awesomelibrary.org/Muslims.html

http://www.amuslimvoice.org/

http://onthescene.msnbc.com/baghdad/2006/09/sunni_shiite_el.html

Do you think that all Islamic religious leaders support terrorist ideology throughout the world? then take a look at this:
http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.harunyahya.com/c_against_terrorism.php

http://www.m-a-t.org/

think that Islami is incapable of reform? here are some very brave women who are challenging the status quo. What have you done to thank them?

http://irshadmanji.com/
Irshad has been acknowledged by the likes of Daniel Pipes.

Mona el Tahawy is a refreshing voice in the media.
I think that this woman should be syndicated in the US.

www.monaeltahawy.com

Here is her recent article about so-called “leaders” like Hilaly in Australia. Did you know that an awful lot of Australian Muslims got pretty upset with him? Or that he was promptly suspended from his position by the board that hired him- I wish they would fire him outright of course, but heck, public censure is a nice start- and it provides a perfect opportunity to publicly air their dismay, and punish him by forcing him to accommodate to some discomfort. I’m all for that.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=76632

Exactly what prevents my fellow Americans from vocing support for such individuals while they voice their support for us? Is it that they don't want them to support us? If so, please recall "the enemy of my friend is my enemy". What is WRONG with SUPPORTING those Muslims who support the USA and our efforts? Who desperately want greater freedom, pluralism, human rights, and democratization in the region? What's wrong with OPENLY supporting, PRAISING, and holding them up as an example of what we woudl like to see? guess you can't keep demonizing everyone if you start showing a few positive role models, eh?

Apparently I can accept the fact that there are humane Muslims that really and truly exist who very much beleive in just that. Why? It’s pretty simple. Learn a little language. Travel, get to know some of them personally. Not only in the US and the west, but abroad too. If you go into the situation looking for a fight, you’ll get one. If you’re looking for warts, you’ll find them. But if that is all you are interested in, you are missing the boat entirely!

The brave souls that stand up, honestly, really, and truly, without even a hint of double speak, engender far greater risk and harm to themselves than many here can imagine. Far more than many here are willing to acknowledge. It seems to me that the only reason preventing some of my fellow americans from supporting some of my fellow Americans who are Muslims, even though they openly support us, is simply the fact that they are Muslim. To them, it's "convert or die", and that's no different than what the Jihadis, is it? Seems like he are sporting so-called "Christians jihad", or Crusade now. Hence, I must include that many commentators here are nothing more than ignorant simple minded bigots, pure and simple.

If you want to say that these are just "Muslim-lite" or "Psuedo-Muslims" fine, but just remember that you are stabbing our friends in the backs, which only serves to help our enemies. Let’s be fair and compare the codes of Justinian and the rights of non-Christians under Christian law when you drag out medieval fatwas.

Shall we take a little look at the warm and cozy plularism practiced by Christians in history? how about earlier this century? What about the historical treatment of Jews under Christian yoke? My Jewish friends in Istanbul felt nothing but warmth and sympathy from their Turkish neighbors after the bombing of the Synagogue in Shishli in 2003. Rabbis and Imams marched in the street arm-in-arm in protest. The father of one of the IRHABIYEEN publicly condemned his son’s violent actions. (Btw- The Arabic word for terrorist IRHABI, plural IRHABIYEEN, something many here could stand to learn). There are plenty of Muslims who abhor their actions and will NEVER condescend to refer to such people as "Shaheed" or martyrs.

Is there something wrong with that? Do you have a problem with people that take such a brave stance? I wonder why? Perhaps you are motivated by nothing more than sectarian prejudice? It’s not truth, but bigotry, pure and simple.

A hello of a lot of Muslims are sick and tired of the fact that so many in the US are fixated on violent fundamentalists and think theyy are the only “true” Muslims. No airtime is given to those that are doing everything in their power to subvert that paradigm. CAIR is not the only representative out there, and maybe we should look at that? Hmmmmm.

If only 1/10 of the energy spent spewing alarmism and vitriol were diverted to promoting the relevant language programs we desperately need to WIN the war on terror, we might actually get somehwere.

Gee, maybe that's why our president doesn't echo these sentiments (praise and thank God for that!)

Posted by: zzazzeefrazzee at November 16, 2006 9:19 PM

zzzzzzzaaaaaaaaaffffffrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaa --

Sorry....my keyboard got stuck. Jihad Watch is devoted to exposing RADICAL Islam, not the Muslims who are peaceably serving this country.

Radical Islam is a very real threat, and that's what this forum is dedicated to exposing -- the Truth.

Posted by: champ at November 16, 2006 11:18 PM