Robert,

Way to go! They say you're not a true writer unless you've had at least one of your books banned.

Congratulations on becoming a true author!

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 15, 2006 5:13 PM

Ban the book banners!

PC-the Black Death of the 21st century.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 15, 2006 5:23 PM

Sure don't want to upset the muslims with the truth. Sure don't want non muslims to KNOW the truth. Might make the non muslims LEERY of the muslims.

Posted by: freewoman at November 15, 2006 5:26 PM

Robert congrats you are in good company they banned
Aristophanes' Lysistrata, Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, Boccaccio's Decameron, Defoe's Moll Flanders, etc etc.

And we all know the more we ban books the more people want to read them. Im heading over to some Aussie bloggers sites and let them know --that will start a nice upsurge in sales in Australia of said banned book. lol :oD

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 15, 2006 5:28 PM

Robert, I've enjoyed reading your book and have passed it on to a couple of friends who are eager to learn.

It is a great book with deep insight, and I look forward to buying your next book, whatever that may be.

I always get a kick out of apologists who state that Mohammad's behaviour was common and accepted for the time he lived in. I say that is the biggest bunch of bullshit anyone with have a brain could ever state.

Let's think this through, Jesus who grew up in an era before Muhammad came from a period that was arguably one of the most violent in human history.
As a man of God, or in Jesus' case the son of God, he acted the part. Muhammad on the other hand has never been credited with any of the characteristics that Jesus had, even by Muslim accounts. He's been glorified for smiting the necks of unbelievers, for condemning people to death by stoning. Where was Muhammad's, "He who has not sinned should cast the first stone." How anyone can let these simple but glaring differences go without pointing them out to Muslims, are just to cowardly to ask the tough questions.

Go, Robert, go, keep up the great work we are all benefiting from it.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at November 15, 2006 5:30 PM

I enjoy having some innocent fun at the expense of the pc gatekeepers. Anytime I am anywhere near a library - public or academic I adopt my most serious professorial demeanor and ask for one of Robert's works by name. If they do not have it, I ask them to acquire it for me through inter-library loan. In many library systems this will flag the book as a likely acquisition target in the current budget cycle.

Posted by: MP at November 15, 2006 5:44 PM

I had to go out to the base today and saw a Special Forces officer carrying a copy of your book. At least it is not banned on the base. Btw, I finished mine and passed it along, hurry with your next one.

Posted by: Ronin at November 15, 2006 5:49 PM

Robert congratulations, you know when you are in good company as said above! thank God for the internet, so far its no PC! beware muslim appologists we are being armed with knowledge of the ture nature of your death cult of islam!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 15, 2006 6:02 PM

It is important to grasp Islam realistically. It is most important to realise the ONE BIG TRUTH about this whole situation: there are moderate muslims, but there is no moderate Islam. The issue is not muslims, per se (and blah blah blaaah with the usual shovels full of fantastic bullcrap)...

Wow, a big build up to an abject flop in the form of a sleazy non sequitur. How can adherents to an immoderate religion themselves be moderate? They can be inactive, yes, but not immoderate.

To take an example, a “moderate” Moslem who gets excited reading the many pornographic passages in the Islamic scriptures may well not engage in sex with children or rape & murder of adult women. Especially in Dar al Harb. But what about on vacation in Dar al Islam? Maybe a little taste of the young Shiite girls in Tehran, or some 9-yr boys in Islamabad? Happens all the time.

Fjordman laid out the before-&-after rape stats in Scandinavia. We've all seen what's happening in Oz, France, and elsewhere.

The reason the writer of “It is important to grasp Islam realistically” genuflects to all Moslems in the next breath is the 6th Pillar of Islam:

It is the duty of all Moslems to create widespread fear with the immediate threat of personal ruination, injury, and death to any one who dares to criticize or otherwise resist Islam and to imply the same to the critic’s family, friends, and neighbors.

That said, Sir Wellington, you mealy-mouthed pompous coward, why don’t you just shut the hell up about Islam.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

Until we discover the link between Islamic scripture and Moslem behavior, talk is worthless and is moreover counterproductive and quite dangerous.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 15, 2006 6:11 PM

Australia doesn't want rock-the-boat, and they want to maintain the illusion that they're safe from this threat. But avoiding the Truth is not the way to do that -- embracing it is.

Posted by: champ at November 15, 2006 8:06 PM

On the Shunning of Spencer's Book

So sad is the state of the nations today,
lacking the courage, lacking the heart
to fulfill freedom's promise, so close,
yet so far away. Cracking apart,
we fragment and fall like a shooting star.

We must gather our forces. We must see who we are.
We are the Free,those who say no to duality.
Those who strive for the Golden Rule,
must have unity, not play the submissive fool.
We must have Unity.
We must put petty differences away.
Today. We must say who we are.
We must declare an ethical basis for war.

Posted by: the poetess at November 15, 2006 8:16 PM

Robert/

Take comfort from the fact that banned books, either legally or by a tacit and accepted conspiracy of silence, are, like forbidden fruit, all the more desirable. I'll bet that your book continues to sell in Australia slowly but steadily (probably through internet ordering), until you end up surprised by exactly how many copies have been sold there.

Could you let us know, if you have the information at this time, how the worldwide sales are doing? I hope that you are selling well in Europe, for example, as well as in the USA.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 15, 2006 8:40 PM

Spencer's books are excellent.

But please, be sure to order your free koran from CAIR.
http://www.cair-net.org/explorethequran/request.asp

They used to ship 'em out for free but now they demand you pay for shipping. Bastards.

Posted by: mtriviso at November 15, 2006 8:41 PM

Frustrating the plan of God?

I must congratulate Robert Spencer for the exposition; of his highly venerated book; Truth about Muhammad, at the conservatives club known as, The Heritage Foundation.
This seems to be the fulfilment of his earnest desire to put forward his grotesque views that he feels so flamboyant about; to slander the world most revered person Prophet Muhammad*,

It can be taken as a show of his personal opinion expressed at the forum. With what ever his angle of mind set or perception that he claims to carry out a detailed study of world of Islam; I must appreciate and thank him for pointing out that; at least he admitted:

a. That Prophet Muhammad* spread Islam with peaceful means and did not use sword to coerced people into Islam.

b. He also admitted that It happened later on; that sword was only used by the rulers to even out the ‘Islamic laws’.

Overall, he gave a very denunciatory speech. He was obviously expressing hate; he gave out malignant; malevolent: and hateful remarks. It was a mere mix up; he was chirpy and kept on bouncing gleefully. Swinging; like a pendulum and trying to grapple at both the ends.

His this show is over now; he needs to declare and come clear on the very basics of the issue that;

a. Either Islam is religion bestowed to mankind by God Almighty and Prophet Muhammad* is the divinely prophet of Islam.

b. Or…he thinks… otherwise?

If his reply is yes to ‘a.’… above here; then I am with him and also admit that some of the radicalized class of followers; on some compelling grounds or otherwise; may be interpreting some of the commandments of Koran for their own vested interests. They may be resorting to the use of Jihad to create anarchy and chaos in the name of Islam. This possibility can not be ruled out. It this case; it is more than essential that these awesome ripples must be smoothed out. But at the same time; we have to see that what are the root causes and why there is always a chaos and anarchy like the one that we experience in Iraq and Afghanistan; or where ever there are US forces in operation; or in occupation?

In view of above and also in the light of his claim of studies of Islamic world; terms of fairness of the business from an intellectual of his stature demands; that his book name should have been; ‘Truth about Jihad.’ and not the ‘Truth about Muhammad?’

Any how; in his deliberations at The Heritage Foundation; he was quit adamant to malign the Holy Prophet which is on the record and did not show any remorse or signs of compromise or reconciliations.

He is playing a game of false hood and mere following a conjecture. He is misleading others and pitching the different societies against each.
He needs thinking;
Who has ever been able to frustrate the plan of God? Robert Spencer and his websites or his books—NAY.
--------------------------------------
Love for all, Hatred for none

Posted by: A Khokar at November 15, 2006 8:48 PM

"...I believe that all forms of Islam are very vulnerable in the modern world to rational criticism, which is why the Islamists are so ferocious in trying to suppress such criticism. They have instinctively understood that Islam itself, while strong, is exceedingly brittle..." [My bold emphasis.]

This from "Sir Wellington Boot's" blog at Robert's posted link (in the Headpost by Robert, above). It's true, which is why we must keep on trying to educate and inform our fellow citizens.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 15, 2006 8:52 PM

my we have a talky one,
words, words, words
"signifying nothing."
a lying philanderer perhaps?
a wanderer with a new young wife,
whose life of wealth and ease
was too much while the rules
were too little and now,
submitting to his moon god,
and kissing his koran,
he comes to enlighten us
with his prep school prattling.

Posted by: the poetess at November 15, 2006 9:04 PM

lol, I guess your book was an O.D. for the PC crowd in Australia :)

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 15, 2006 9:34 PM

A Khokar/

It would be nice if you could actually write intelligent and coherent English instead of the grammatically challenged and ridiculous pidgin which you have chosen to adopt in order to criticise Mr. Spencer. The absence of any coherent English grammatical, or logical, structure to your remarks indicates that you did not pay attention to your teachers at whatever college or university that you chose to attend and that you value the greatest and most expressive and flexible language on earth (English) as nought.

However, let me deal with just one of your illiterate and grammatically incorrect assertions (questions; statements; who knows?):

"a. Either Islam is religion bestowed to mankind by God Almighty and Prophet Muhammad* is the divinely prophet of Islam."

Islam is not a religion. It most certainly was not bestowed by God Almighty but bestowed by satan (shaitan) and 'muhammad' (as you call him) was an evil, devil-worshipping, callous, schizophrenic, diseased man who was incapable of recognising the true greatness of the human spirit and the mercy and love of God when he was told about them. As you style him, 'muhammad' was most certainly the prophet of islam but he was not, under any rational circumstances, divine (or 'divinely', as you phrase it - quite wrongly in English; for Heaven's sake, go back to school and learn the greatest language on earth - English - correctly) but an agent of satan (shaitan, or the devil).

Oh, and by-the-way, 'muhammad', as you insist upon referring to him despite all the norms of conventional English, is not "...the world most revered person Prophet Muhammad..." (learn the possessive in English, please, and write 'world's' instead of the illiterate and wilful bad grammar which, I am sure, would make your teachers ashamed of you if they read your posting here) but, on the contrary, is viewed by most of the world as a vile degenerate whose unbridled passions have let loose centuries of misery upon the civilised peoples of this planet.

That you have chosen to stoop to such a simplistic defense of your faith, and to attack Mr. Spencer in the illiterate and uneducated way in which you have, only indicates to all of us who post here your complete ignorance of your own religion and its core tenets. I am sure, however, that many of us who will read your post will see that you have come to an understanding of the divine spark despite having islam as your primary religious source of reference (God does, indeed, work in mysterious ways).

However, you must learn the true nature of your faith - its evil, its duplicity, its utter contempt for human life, its basis in the worship of satan (shaitan), its complete disregard for the love, forgiveness and mercies of God that the other four fifths of the world have discovered and been led to by the Divine power and its complete negation of all that is human and great about us. You must learn, and finally come to realise, that you have been completely misled by your so-called 'prophet muhammad' who is nothing more than the epitome of all that is evil and wrong upon the earth today.

Dominic

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 15, 2006 9:38 PM

A Khokar/

As for your assertion that

"...Prophet Muhammad* spread Islam with peaceful means and did not use sword to coerced people into Islam."

(In the name of all that's Holy will you learn to write proper English, ignoramus, and not disgrace your teachers - the past participle of the verb 'to coerce' is un-needed here, 'coerce' would have been correct and you would have known that had you paid attention in school, and could 'sword' please, and correctly, have the definite article. What is more, 'islam' is not capitalised in English for it is not regarded as a faith worthy of the capital letter but as a false, alien and un-English ideology. When writing in English please observe the conventions of the language as, I have no doubt, they were properly taught to you.)

I can only say that your ignorance of the history of your own faith is quite staggering, and probably wilfully duplicitous into the bargain. There is ample evidence in the evil writings of your faith, such as the koran, ahadith and surah, that 'muhammad', as you insist on referring to him as, most certainly used extreme violence against those who did not believe as he ordered them to.

Telling untruths to us will not make you correct, it will, however, make you appear the fool that you, so manifestly, are.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 15, 2006 9:57 PM

I've definately noticed all of this. Every bookstore within 100 miles doesn't have it. I had to get it over Amazon, the only means possible, basically. Ordering it over Amazon would stop some people from buying it, as many don't like giving out their credit card numbers and such.

Damn you censoring leftist pigs! The Truth will get out eventually. If only a politician endorsed this book, then the sales would be boosted. George W., you know what you gotta do.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 15, 2006 11:01 PM

A Khokar/ stated that Robert has "feels so flamboyant about; to slander the world most revered person Prophet Muhammad*,"

A Khokar what the hell are you smokin? your precious mohummad had sex with a child of nine years, took his son's wife, murdered hundreds of people, had people heads,limbs, and other assorted body parts removed, was a thief, and died a miserable old feeble man, and his last words were to his followers to go and kill all non muslims. for this you are dumb enough to follow.. islam is a cult of death, leave it while you can, join the human race and enjoy life on earth.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 15, 2006 11:40 PM

With all due respect to my fellow JW devotees, could we please refrain from criticizing someone's English, regardless of whether we find his or her views abhorrent or ridiculous? It is the content we should focus on, not the grammar and syntax (and I am speaking as a former teacher of English). Otherwise, we risk engaging in the type of ad hominem (or perhaps in this case "ad lingua"?) attacks that A Khokar uses unsuccessfully to try and attack Mr. Spencer. I also am assuming Mr. or Ms. Khokar is not a native English speaker.

Posted by: kaffirchick at November 16, 2006 12:02 AM

As you know Muslims are facing many challenges, pressures and criticisms from non-Muslims in the world. Trying to find weak points in Islam!!

I will provide you with honest answer:

There are no weak points in Islam that Muslims needs to worry about. Islam is the perfect religion of God.

If an Islamic ruling seems to a person to be a weak point, he should realize that the fault lies in his way of thinking.

Posted by: Ramon at November 16, 2006 12:29 AM

Khokar...about RS: It was a mere mix up; he was chirpy and kept on bouncing gleefully. Swinging; like a pendulum and trying to grapple at both the ends.

Chirpy? Bouncing? Swinging? Grappling at both ends?
What ends were those? Somehow I cant see RS grappling with any ends. If I had a video of that, I would put it on Youtube...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 16, 2006 12:32 AM

Ramon --

Non-Muslims don't have to look very hard to "find weak points" in Islam. You have some nerve calling these acts of terrorism weak points. How about calling them what they really are -- diabolical!!

And if "Islam is the perfect religion of God", then I would hate to see what an evil religion was like. You are in a TON of denial, Ramon.

Posted by: champ at November 16, 2006 12:44 AM

Naa, he's just been brainwashed forever. His political socialization is essentially complete, and basically the only thing that will change his opinion of it is if something drastic and emotional happen to him. Say, if his extremely-close brother were to die at the hands of Islamic radicals, or something like that. Otherwise, it's clear sailing for the Islamic-submarine of deceit and hatred.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 16, 2006 1:03 AM

re english hay guys there are some like myself who post who are blind and dislecsic so the spelling will not br great its surprizing the errors you can make when your hearing words after you have typed them and your screen reader reads them back and robert would it be posible to get your book from you as a text file or pdf file so i can read it jim

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 16, 2006 1:15 AM

I'm always astounded to hear people describe Robert's latest book as "hateful". Ironically, that just proves Robert's premise correct; that Muhammad preached intolerance. The Truth About Muhammad exclusively uses the texts from sources most respected by Muslim scholars as being authentic, so if that is "hateful," then Robert's point is well made. Screw the PC luvvies; brick and mortar book stores are destined for extinction while The Truth About Muhammad has risen from #122 to #55 in the past two days on Amazon.com.

Posted by: Xero G at November 16, 2006 1:18 AM

kaffirchic/

No. I will not refrain from critcising the use of English (UK or American) because the perversion of our liguistic heritage is a deliberate, pre-meditated, attack upon us. The corruption of our great language is yet another sphere in which the jihadists operate.

These people seek to corrupt and debase the very words that we use to express ourselves; they seek to pervert the very meanings we state and to denigrate our language and, through that, to cheapen and denigrate our history and our sense of self.

I, and others like me, will not criticise those like the poster 'islamakapigeaters' (above), on either side of this debate, who have a real problem with language but we reserve to ourselves the right to criticise the slapdash, the careless, the fancy-free, who ignore the received wisdom as to the the norms of expression. We also reserve the right to criticise those who wilfully disregard that which they were taught because, in their moslem arrogance, they believe that we, and our language, are somehow less worthy of respect than they and their's.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 16, 2006 1:34 AM

Ramon - "Islam is the perfect religion of God."

Then I hope I never meet that particular god. He seems to hate women and all form of humane interaction between human beings.

I wouldnt worry too much about the book being banned in Australia. Thanks to the immortal words of Sheik 'Catsmeat' al-Hilaly, most Australians have had their eyes opened regarding Islam and its followers.

Posted by: Deecha at November 16, 2006 1:35 AM

Ronin wrote: " There are no weak points in Islam that Muslims needs to worry about. Islam is the perfect religion of God."

I couldn't keep a straight face when I read your statement.

Very amusing.

There are many many weak points about Islam. Muhammad was not a holy man nor remotely close to a prophet.

Muhammad was a deceiver who duped lots of Arabs into believing that he was a prophet.

Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful.

Read more about it here:
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

Unlike the Muslim who sees the Qur'an as the "perfected Gospel", the Christian sees the perfected Gospel in Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: the Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The fall cast a shadow; the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself.- Dr. Trfkovic

Read it all here:
http://tradreviews.blogspot.com/2006/06/sword-of-prophet-islam-history.html

Posted by: Johnathan at November 16, 2006 1:42 AM

The Koran confused the sister of Moses by implication (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus 3 times. And Muhammad seemed to think that Jesus was Moses' nephew, the son of Moses' sister Mariam. Mary, the mother of Jesus, and Miriam the sister of Moses actually lived about 1500 years apart. The entire Chapter 19 is devoted to Mary (Maryam) the mother of Jesus in the Qur'an. Sura 19:28, "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" Sura 66.12 calls Mary 'daughter of lmran". lmran is the Arabic form of the Hebrew Amram mentioned in Numbers 26.59 as the father of "Aaron, Moses and Miriam." The title "sister of Aaron" is given to Miriam in Exodus 15.20. Sura 3.35-36, The wife of Amram said, "My Lord, I have dedicated (the baby) in my belly to You, totally, so accept from me. You are Hearer, Omniscient."

- How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about angels (plural) while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth," Luke 1:26

- Jesus taught people even in his "old age". (Sura 5:110). Actually Jesus ascended into Heaven while in His mid 30's.

Posted by: Johnathan at November 16, 2006 2:02 AM

Whilst you're waiting for Robert's book to be delivered buy Brigitte Gabriel's book,"Because they hate."

Posted by: eloivsdiablo at November 16, 2006 4:17 AM

Dear Necessitasnonhabetlegem and friends

English is considered as a common universal language in the world. After traversing about every fifty miles; we find a distinct change in the dialect. In different cultures and countries idiom, phrases sound differently and carry all together different meanings. America is and has always been a country of immigrants. English is not its native language. Different immigrant from different cultures started pouring in and they brought different languages; but adopted English as common language as the earlier occupants were; mainly the British.

My overall submission was not all that bad as you sound. Any how please accept my apology; if usage of few words did not sound right to you. I will try to remain careful in the future. We all do mistake but message may not be rejected; merely on seeing the colour of the envelope.

With reference to your post; if one takes out the slandering sentences out of your deliberation; there is nothing left worthwhile, a point to reply. I think in the name of good practices; we should refrain from using slanderous language; specially about religions. We may be committing a manifest error; out of our ignorance and arrogance.

I think we should put this forum to better use of promoting peace and harmony and a better understanding. We should stop pitching different societies against each other for the vest interests of a few. Misconception and twisted mind; always create chaos and anarchy and life of millions is disrupted.

Situation in Middle East is the main concerns for all of us. There in the Middle East; even a common donkey cart rider under stands the game of his subjugation and deprivation very well. But we here in the bliss and comforts of our western societies; tend to remain in the delusion. The policy of fallacy and deception imposed by the ruling elites upon us; is probably at its work.My message is:

Love for all, Hatred for none.

Posted by: A Khokar at November 16, 2006 5:28 AM

I didn't even waste my time with the local bookshops, but ordered straight off Amazon, along with the Mark Steyn AA book. Of course it takes 3 weeks to get to Oz, but like the good Jihadist I have learnt patience.

Nice review by Theodore Dalrymple - I think he could be right about the acute but short-lived nature of the Islamist threat, but it will be so in large part because of the work of such as Robert. The spread of information is the enemy of radical Islam: Just in the general (not Islam-related) blogs I visit it is clear that occassional attempts at Muslim Taqqiya that typically succeeded a year or so ago are now being answered and countered forth-rightly, and the pretender is forced to slink off in search of easier pickings (which can still be obtained at leftist sites, no doubt).

Posted by: Brett_McS at November 16, 2006 5:45 AM

Robert: Is your book banned from sale in Australia?
No, of course not, it is not being stocked by booksellers.
'Effectively' banned.....what is that Robert? What you call not getting the right distribution deal?

Posted by: protectalbion at November 16, 2006 6:11 AM

Protectalbion:

I don't call it anything. Nor did I make any claims about any banning. I just posted the remarks by Sir Wellington Boot, and I know what "effectively banned" means -- it means ignored and shunted aside, and I know why that is happening also.

I see from this thread that his words have been widely misunderstood.

Why the scorn and hostility? Have I done something to offend you? Are you another one of the British readers who believe that because I report on British dhimmitude, I must hate Britain?

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 16, 2006 6:43 AM

There is one thing missing in Spencer's so-called "The Truth About Muhammad" is the truth.

Posted by: Ramon at November 16, 2006 7:55 AM

It is therefore banned, effectively, by the PC luvvies who infest the print media in Australia.

Yea that would be right, ban this book, and let the Da vinci Code and many other books against Christianity and Jesus be published. The same people will push movies on line showing Jesus as a homosexual or married so maybe even though the Bible says that Christians are to love their enemies, perhaps Christians should go against the Bible and start killing these media publishers also mand cause riots, killing and buring property as they go,... lets take a leaf out of the Quran and start slaughtering our media, and they might get scared of Christians and Catholics and start appeasing them also... I am sick of the truth being suppressed, the left and the media seem to be on the side of Islam,, pushing their own destruction and their children's... as was said above, the 6th pillar is...it is the duty of all Muslims to create widespread fear with the immediate threat of personal ruination, injury, and death to any one who dares to criticize or otherwise resist Islam and to imply the same to the critic's family, friends, and neighbors.

Posted by: Gaye at November 16, 2006 7:58 AM

Ramon:

Kindly specify a single inaccuracy. No one has yet, not only in this book, but in any of my books.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 16, 2006 8:23 AM

Hello Robert:
I do have to admit to being disappointed in you at the moment. In this posting you do infer that the same 'effective' banning has taken place in both AUS and the US. But it would be more accurate to state that your book is being ignored.
Secondly, just before the election you inferred that a DEM win would make the US less safe (my summation). And after the election, not a word on Rumsfeld's sacking!
But lastly, rather than spinning our wheels on a description of the ever growing Dhimmitude of the EU / UK (which I accept is correct), I would strongly encourage you to use your bully pulpit to incite action from the anti-Jihad supporters in the UK. As an illustration, the BBC 'File on Four' programme recognized an anti-Jihad group called the Vigil Group. ( for more info see: http://www.glen-jenvey.com/)You could encourage political acts by your UK followers that would:
Legally promote the anti-jihad cause
Put forward our counter-arguments
Allow other EU citizens to gravitate to a source of anti-dhimmitude
Would you consider establishing another site that was more 'Jihad Watch AND act', a forum for the anti-jihad followers to meet, confirm counter-demo locations and share multimedia to distribute.
I recognize you are on the right and I am on the left, but many of us following your site want to ACT (legally), and we would really appreciate your influence.

Posted by: protectalbion at November 16, 2006 8:25 AM

Protect Albion:

You say: "In this posting you do infer that the same 'effective' banning has taken place in both AUS and the US. But it would be more accurate to state that your book is being ignored."

Take that up with Sir Wellington Boot. "Effective banning" are his words, not mine, and "ignored" is precisely what they mean. It never occurred to me that anyone would understand this to mean some actual banning until I saw the comments above. But nevertheless, the words are his. I posted them because I understood him to mean the book was being ignored. I will not apologize for doing so, because the book is being ignored, but I will not at the same time accept that in posting this I meant anything other than that the book is being ignored. In fact, I didn't.

You say: "Secondly, just before the election you inferred that a DEM win would make the US less safe (my summation). And after the election, not a word on Rumsfeld's sacking!"

I haven't made up my mind about the significance of the Rumsfeld sacking. As for the Dems, "your summation" is right. I pointed out some specific things about Pelosi and Conyers. Were they wrong? Likewise, have you missed all the criticism of Bush and Rice over the years, from both Hugh and me? I was on the Michael Reagan Show last night and I told him that both parties are clueless about this problem and what to do about it. I think that view has been amply documented here.

You say: "But lastly, rather than spinning our wheels on a description of the ever growing Dhimmitude of the EU / UK (which I accept is correct), I would strongly encourage you to use your bully pulpit to incite action from the anti-Jihad supporters in the UK. As an illustration, the BBC 'File on Four' programme recognized an anti-Jihad group called the Vigil Group. ( for more info see: http://www.glen-jenvey.com/)You could encourage political acts by your UK followers that would:
Legally promote the anti-jihad cause
Put forward our counter-arguments
Allow other EU citizens to gravitate to a source of anti-dhimmitude
Would you consider establishing another site that was more 'Jihad Watch AND act', a forum for the anti-jihad followers to meet, confirm counter-demo locations and share multimedia to distribute.
I recognize you are on the right and I am on the left, but many of us following your site want to ACT (legally), and we would really appreciate your influence."

Watch this space for more on action in the future. But your earlier quite scathing criticism on this score was, I believe, quite out of focus. As I travel around the U.S. I see again and again that raising awareness is still the main thing that must be done. Most people still have no idea what is happening and why. This is a site devoted to raising awareness. Legal actions that may flow from that awareness will be as varied as the abilities, interests, and levels of commitment of the various readers here. I will be doing more to provide specific avenues for action in the future, but to you at this point I say the same thing I said to the British former readers who have decided I am the enemy because I keep pointing out British dhimmitude: I am doing what I believe is right and necessary. If you have a different idea of what is right and necessary, go to it. Nothing is preventing you from forming your own group, or site, or whatever. And best of luck with that.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 16, 2006 8:35 AM

Khokar, what planet have you been living on...
Robert doesnt need to say anything, we have a brain to be able to think for ourselves and eyes to the media and read history. Are you deaf and blind, cant you see that in the world today there is non-stop Muslim violence, where muslim will strap on explosives and go and sit down amongst a group of children or people and blow themselves up,, Yes it makes us look at the Quran for ourselves to see why a person would do such horrors and OH DEAR we see that Mohammad himself slaughtered people and skited that he chased the people out of their homes and lands slaughtering all who would not submit, including the Jews. He took their land and homes, even their wives.. he lead by example and it wasn't a good one, it was cruel, evil and death and doom to all they came in contact with who would not submit...he raided the villages by night, he raided them by day, and took all the booty they could...
If Spencers book is venerated, it isn't a patch on the last three quarters of the Quran and other Muslim holy books... Obviously you haven't read them for yourself. Of course like other Muslims say, you will say that we don't understand, but the quran is very simple to read once you get over the change of orders in it, like except the people of the book, then later slaughter all who will not submit.. or a great slaughter must be made in the land before the Prophet can take slaves, or a terrorised people are easier to take... come on Khokar, wake up...

Posted by: Gaye at November 16, 2006 8:41 AM

points taken Robert, and I do not believe that you are the enemy. I apologize for my scathing comments. I genuinely believe you are performing acts of great value at the moment. And truthfully, the Europeans here do not care if some of your posters declare us as more lost than we actually are (at the moment).

Posted by: protectalbion at November 16, 2006 8:44 AM

Protect Albion:

Thanks.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 16, 2006 8:57 AM

Khokar, you say Love for all, Hatred for none. I am now so confused, you cannot be a Muslim as their commission is to kill all non muslims so, what religion are you then...
The reason I say that you cant be a Muslim is because after the first quarter of the quran it doesnt say that Muslim must love all, it says to kill all who will not submit...
Love and no hate is ideal, and we have the Bible saying we must love even our enemies, but unfortunately we have another book in the world called the Quran which says to slaughter all in the world for allah, who will not submit, so with these words of which there are hundreds in the Quran and other muslim books, we cannot have peace while we are being terrorised and while they try to kill us...

Posted by: Gaye at November 16, 2006 9:15 AM

The Truth about Muhammad

God sent Muhammad, the Final Prophet (peace be upon him) as a *{… mercy for all the worlds}* (Al-Anbiyaa' 21:107). Thus, the methods that he followed in order to spread this divine message to humanity could be summarized into the following:

Giving an example from himself (peace be upon him).

Educating his companions to be role models for humanity.

Teaching the concept of da`wah or call for Islam.

Regarding the first method, the Prophet (peace be upon him) spread the message of Islam through showing humanity an example of an excellent human being. He was an ideal teacher, friend, husband, father, grandfather, worrier, speaker, neighbour, employer, etc.

In all the roles that he played in his life, he gave humanity examples in every aspect and in every sense. And this is the main means through which the message of Islam was spread amongst his people. It has been mentioned in Mubarakpuri's biography of the Prophet Muhammad, Ar-Rahiq Al-Makhtum, that when Ja`far ibn Abi Talib was asked by Al-Najashi, the King of Ethiopia at the time, about the message of Muhammad, Ja`far said:

"He (Muhammad) is a man who is asking us to be honest, chaste, and good to our relatives."

When `A'ishah, the Prophet’s wife, was asked about his manners, she said:

"His manners were the Qur'an." "He was a Qur'an walking on earth" (Ahmad).

On the other hand, Allah Almighty described His messenger (peace be upon him) by saying what means:

*{Indeed, you have a sublime character.}* (Al-Qalam 68:4)

He (peace be upon him) told his companions that a good character is the best way to win people’s hearts. He said:

"You will never make people pleased with your money, but you will win their hearts with a smiling face and good manners (bast al-wajh wa husn al-khuluq)" (Ibn Al-Hakam.)

The second factor in the spread of Islam was the way the companions were educated by their teacher: Muhammad (peace be upon him). This was in order to be role models themselves. Islam was spread in various parts of the world through the companions' excellent conduct, demonstrated during their travels after the Prophet (peace be upon him) passed away.

The Islamic state should never force people to become Muslim by any means, as some might think. If this ever took place in history, then it was obviously a grave mistake that had been made by a few ignorant rulers who did not follow the ethical code of the prophetic errand in this life.

The way Islam spread in the vast areas in Asia and Africa was basically through the excellent example that the companions and their students and followers (at-tabe`een) gave to people. The areas of the largest Islamic populations today in East Asia had never seen any military conflict with any Islamic state. Indonesia is a clear example. The way Islam spread and, later, became the religion of the overwhelming majority of that country was through akhlaq (good manners and ethical morality).

The third method through which the Prophet (peace be upon him) spread the message of Islam was by teaching the concept of da`wah (call for Islam). The Prophet Muhammad taught his companions, and all Muslims, that a caller for a good deed is rewarded a reward equal to the reward of those who follow him in his or her call (Al-Bukhari). He also advised his people by saying:

"Convey the message after me, even one verse." (Al-Bukhari)

Allah describes the Prophet’s way by saying what means:

*{Say [O Prophet]: "This is my way: Resting upon conscious insight accessible to reason, I am calling [you all] unto God - I and they who follow me." And [say:] "Limitless is God in His glory; and I am not one of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside Him!"}* (Yusuf 12:108)

Basically, these are the three methods, through which the Prophet of Islam spread the message of Islam.

Moreover, regarding the part of your question where you mentioned that Muhammad (peace be upon him) had "translated the message and wrote it in the Qur'an," I would like to note that there is a bit of inaccuracy in this expression. Muhammad (peace be upon him) received the message of the Qur'an as we know it today, in the same (Arabic) language.

Some people suggested that he "wrote the Qur'an" himself, based on some "coded message" that he received from the angel Gabriel. However, many sayings of the Prophet and verses of the Qur'an clearly state that he (peace be upon him) received the verses as they are, that is, in the same Arabic script that we know today. In fact, Prophet Muhammad never learned how to read letters and write script. This is a well-known historic fact, God said — for a few examples — what means:

*{Behold, We have bestowed it from on high as a discourse in the Arabic tongue, so that you might encompass it with your reason.}* (Yusuf 12:2)

*{And thus have We bestowed from on high this [divine writ] as a discourse in the Arabic tongue…}* (Ta-Ha 20:113)

*{A divine writ, the messages whereof have been clearly spelled out as a discourse in the Arabic tongue…}* (Fussilat 41:3)

These, among others, are verses that confirm that the Qur'an was 'revealed' in Arabic language to the Last of messengers and prophets.

Posted by: Ramon at November 16, 2006 9:37 AM

Robert or others, I would like to know '''are there many governments or politicians who have gained popularity by promising to reduce immigration or races who are so different in beliefs and ways. ....Anyone with half a brain can see from histroy that two totally different nations have never been able to live happily together for long, other wise the world would all be one colour and one people by now...
I would also like to know if anyone out there thinks we have any hope of beating this evil, with politicians, and the media not knowing anything about Islam and not seeming to want to know, it makes us very vulnerable...
I can see that the people will one day rise up against this horror, and take the law into their own hands if governments dont do something soon, the governments can only silence the people for so long then their fear takes over... what do you guys think???

Posted by: Gaye at November 16, 2006 9:41 AM

Ramon:
It is a fact that Islam was spread by the sword. I don't believe your argument that Islam was spread by the good ethical behavior/manners of Muhammad and ancient Muslims.

Let's not forget the numerous commands that are found in the Koran to spread the Muslim faith by violent jihad.

Here is a small sample:

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193

Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217

Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 4:55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 4:56

Those who refuse to follow Muhammad, follow false gods and are deceived by Satan. 4:60

Let's not forget the violent coercion and manipulation that Muhammad advocated for regarding former Muslims:

Muhammad's advice to kill former Muslims:
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet [Muhammad] said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Posted by: Johnathan at November 16, 2006 10:17 AM

Ramon -

You stated that "Muhammad was a perfect example of a human being".

Really!

If Muhammad was a perfect example, then so was Charles Manson (you do know who HE is?), and anyone else who murders, has sex with children, and who was delusional.

The more you speak of how wonderful Islam is, and how perfect Muhammad was, the more I'm convinced that this is one sick, evil government/religion.

Posted by: champ at November 16, 2006 11:27 AM

Islam is so strong and so self-assured that it does not need to use force to attract others to it. The moral and intellectual superiority of Islam over all other religions has manifested itself so clearly throughout the history of Islam. Despite all of the ills of Muslims everywhere, Islam continues to be the fastest growing religion on earth. Professor Huston Smith of the MIT in his book, "The Religions of Man" says, "In some areas where Islam and Christianity are competing for converts, Islam is gaining at a rate of 10 to 1."

Ambassador Herman Ellis, in a testimony in front of the committee on Foreign Affirs of the House of Represntatives of the United States Congress on June 24th, 1985, said, "The Muslim community of the globe today is in the neighbourhood of one billion. That is an impressive figure. But what to me is equally impressive is that Islam today is the fastest growing monotheistic religion. This is something we have to take into account. Something is right about Islam. It is attracting a good many people."

Yes, something is right about Islam and that's why it has attracted so many people throughout its 1400 years of history.

Posted by: Ramon at November 16, 2006 12:37 PM

RAMON --Muhammed the Monster a perfect example of human being ? When exactly? Inbetween having sex with a nine year old girl and his sons wife? Or after butchering thousands of pagan arabs and jews who did not want to accept his 'call'.

here is Muhammed up against somebody who WAS a perfect example of what a human should be:

From
http://www.kafirnation.com/myth2.htm

The Jews and Christians were considered evil people because they rejected mohamed as a prophet of god as they knew of the true God and it was rather obvious that he wasn't a prophet sent from Him.

Jesus is the perfect example of love and tolerance

John 8:7. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Muhammed was the perfect opposite:

"The Prophet (Muhammad) said: 'Do not stone the adulteress who is pregnant until she has had her child.' After the birth she was put into a ditch up to her chest and the Prophet commanded them to stone her. Khalid came forward with a stone, which he threw at her head, and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and he cursed her. The gentle Prophet prayed over her and she was buried."
(Hadith No. Muslim 682)

One would think that in common parlance that to respect someone as a prophet would seek guidance in his teaching.

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JESUS SHOWED MERCY
MUHAMMED SHOWED HATE

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 16, 2006 12:39 PM

click on link and go to top right of long list of terror done by good muslims (ie muslims who OBEYED islamic teachings instead of ignoring them)

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 16, 2006 12:46 PM

Sadly, Ramon has been brainwashed, and he WANTS to believe what he says about Islam, but he's clearly lying when he states this garbage.

Keep posting Ramon, because I am wildly entertained by the lies you post here on JW. Lies that you've chosen to believe all these years. You follow Islam because you were TOLD to, not because you chose to.

Snap out of it! Read Walid Shoebat's books, or better yet, go to his website:

http://www.shoebat.com

Posted by: champ at November 16, 2006 1:11 PM

If any other disabled people who are RFB&D borrowers read this blog, I have one request, please buy two copies of The Truth About Muhammad and send them to RFB&D for recording. Currently, RFB&D has four of Spencer's books, so it should also record his biography of Muhammad.

If there are any people reading who want to learn more about RFB&D's products and services, its website is http://www.rfbd.org.

If two copies of the book are ever sent to RFB&D by a reader of Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch, please have the sender contact me by email. I would like to thank him for his generous contribution to the RFB&D library.

Posted by: Christian at November 16, 2006 2:50 PM

If there are any good websites about Muhammed that are not politically correct, links to them should be posted on Jihad Watch. That way, people who live in nations where Spencer's books are banned will still have access to information about Muhammad's life.

Posted by: Christian at November 16, 2006 2:56 PM

AS Regards Ramon and other muslims.. You waste your time responding to them..ignore them. Muslims (and believers of other religions) think that they build up points with their god by apologizing, proslytizing, and lying to protect, defend and propigate their faith.

Also true in Christianity, see l Corinthians 9 especially 15-23, and especially l Cor 9:222 (To the weak I become weak: I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some".

With Muslims it is more stated and restated, Allah judges them by their intentions, thus though they are not permitted to lie to save their own skin, they must lie to save face for the ummah, to propigate Islam and to save a muslim from a kufr.

That they can believe this stuff is a testimony to their lack of reasoning capabilities, hence intelligence..

The sole basis for belief in the Qur'an is that they believe it is the word of Allah, and the basis for the belief that the Qur'an is the word of Allah is that it says so in the Qur'an..

In other words a prime example of faulty reasoning (logical fallacy) is circular reasoning example follows:

"Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so in the Qur'an is the word of Allah because it says so...etc ad infinitum."

If anyone has had a discussion of any sorts with a believer, especially a muslim, one has to contend with a series of logical fallacies, most usually strawman, ad hominem, tu quoque, avoidance, changing the subject and attack, attack, attack.

Believers of all sorts resort to logical fallacies as a means of defense and attack, but muslims utilize and fall back on logical fallacies more than anyone else..

Co

Posted by: Nariz at November 16, 2006 5:45 PM

One war at a time, nariz. you can have your war against Christianity once the Real war is done- say, 30-40 years.

Posted by: Gary at November 16, 2006 6:39 PM

Nariz -

You too have something in common with Muslims. Want to know what it is?

You both twist scripture from the Bible to make false accusations/points about Christians and Jews. I bet the only reason you study the Bible is so you can condemn Christians/Jews with your inverted logic.

You sure do know a lot about a God you claim you don't believe in. Interesting.

Posted by: champ at November 16, 2006 6:59 PM

Oh Ramon, of course Islam is increasing, they shift to lands where there is a welfare and they marry their many wives (one leagaly) and have massive families to each wife. and of course Islam is increasing, if these people dont turn to Islam they are killed, so other religions are decreasing because they are being slaughtered, many thousands each year in Sudan as an example, and that is not counting the tens of thousands throught out the world slaughtered by Muslims for their faith..

You say... Yes, something is right about Islam and that's why it has attracted so many people throughout its 1400 years of history. Ramon, if you were faced with submit or die what would you do???...
I say to you again, that you obviously dont know your own religion nor do you know te bloody history of Islam and you havent read its books,, why is that???
In western countries, Muslims have used their laws against them, so much so that the west is appeasing the Muslims and Muslims are stopping the media talking about the horrors that are being done by muslims and the western people dont know. As Muslims are allowed to lie for the cause of allah, they dont tell the possible converts of the horrors of the last three quarters of the quran, converts are only told of the wonderful passages in the first quarter of the quran, they are not told that Allah later changed his mind about how to treat non muslims...

Posted by: Gaye at November 16, 2006 7:03 PM

Ramon:
You are wrong again. Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world not Islam.
Read:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm

Posted by: Johnathan at November 16, 2006 8:40 PM

Ramon, you can't fool us with the "Arabic" language temporization, so don't waste your time trying. Any language can be translated and the majority of the world's muslims are not Arabic speakers. They read the Qur'an in dozens of languages. The Qur'an was written in Arabic because muhammad the butcher warlord was an Arab, his "companions" were Arabs, and the entire charade of muhammad's prophethood and putative revelations occurred in Arabia. Arabic is hardly a divine tongue; God speaks all languages. Hugh has explained this common and deceptive islamic tactic in depth.

Give us a break; we're not morons. You're the confused one but that's what a lifetime of islam and brainwashing will do to a person. Just think, you could have been normal but God cursed you and made you a muslim.

Posted by: Susanp at November 16, 2006 10:03 PM

Unlike the founders of many religious, the final prophet of Islam is a real documented and historical figure. He lived in the full light of history, and the most minute details of his life are known. Not only do Muslims have the complete text of God's words that were revealed to Muhammad, but they have also preserved his saying and teachings in what is called "hadith" literature. This having been said, it should be understood that Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad was only a man chosen by God, and that he is not divine in any way. In order to avoid the misguided wish to deify him, the Prophet Muhammad taught Muslims to refer to him as "God's Messenger and His Slave". The mission of the last and final prophet of God was to simply teach that "there is nothing divine or worthy of being worshipped except for Almighty God", as well as being a living example of God's revelation. In simple terms, God sent the revelation to Muhammad, who in turn taught it , preached it, lived it and put it into practice. In this way, Muhammad was more that just a "prophet" in the sense of many of the Biblical prophets, since he was also a statesman and ruler. He was a man who lived a humble life in the service of God, and established an all-encompassing religion and way of life by showing what it means to be an ideal friend, husband, teacher, ruler, warrior and judge. For this reason, Muslims follow him not for his own sake, but in obedience to God, because Muhammad not only showed us how to deal with our fellow human beings, but more importantly, he showed us how to relate to and worship God, worship Him in the only way pleasing to Him. Like other prophets, Muhammad faced a great deal of opposition and persecution during his mission. However, he was always patient and just, and he treated his enemies well. The results of his mission were very successful, and even though his mission started in one of the most backward and remotes places on earth, within a hundred years of the death of Muhammad, Islam had spread from Spain to China. The Prophet Muhammad was the greatest of all of God's prophets, not because he had new doctrines or greater miracles, but because the results of his mission have broght more human beings into the pure and proper belief in the One True God than any other prophet.

Posted by: Ramon at November 17, 2006 1:16 PM

RAMON please quote from the book the Truth about Muhammad do not just say things did you read the book?

Posted by: mark52 at November 18, 2006 10:17 PM

"...but to you at this point I say the same thing I said to the British former readers who have decided I am the enemy because I keep pointing out British dhimmitude: I am doing what I believe is right and necessary."

From Mr. Spencer's post (above).

As a British reader all I can say is you must, please, keep right on pointing out British 'dhimmitude' because you are correct. You are, indeed, doing that which is "right and necessary".

The more you do this work then the less likely the UK is to fall into moslem hands or drift into the hands of the fascists who see themselves as the sole custodians (erroneously) of the British way of life. There are, it seems, many British readers of this site from all political perspectives - I hope our numbers are increasing - who obviously approve of what you have to say. Just you keep right on hitting we Brits with the truth because, by all that's Holy, nobody else can because of the changes to UK law over the last twenty-six years.

No-one on this side of the pond could put up a website like JW/DW on a British ISP - anyone who tried would end up in gaol. Britain is a free country? Don't make me laugh - the moslems already have more rights under the law than I do.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at November 19, 2006 9:06 PM