So far I agree with the previous two posters.
I had the misfortune to work with two of their kind.Eventually things got so bad that I left this Employer.I was sick of the Dhimmi status enforced by the management of this company.

One proudly said "I am not British , I am Pakistani" despite the fact he was born here and was 24 years old.Frequently he made sneering comments about the British.

The other one was a recent immigrant and he proudly claimed "That the Asians have come to UK to take over." They also chose to speak Urdu the majority of the time.

It may appear that I am a racist making it all up but the truth is all around us.An invasion has occured and it's only a matter of time before we are all done for. Yet the PC Brigade think that if we solve a few of their gripes ,give them special privileges and lots of money ...it will all go away. It makes me want to join the BNP and I am a committed anti-Fascist.

I will not submit!!!

Posted by: raz at November 19, 2006 10:27 AM

this is quite easy to identify, any muslim going to warring countries upon their return to Britain, are iether sent back or place on some shark infested island jail. ie "devil's island" would be a good model.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 19, 2006 10:37 AM

So? , bring back the death penalty for them and i do not mean hanging thus making them into martyrs.
Just allow the security forces to arrange
"accidents" for them , how hard can it be ?
This is a war against an enemy far more evil and insiduous than the Third Reich , so fight fire
with fire.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 19, 2006 10:42 AM

Someone please explain to me why these people need to be breathing. Why are our governments allowing them to be here? Why are our governments wanting them to takeover?

To add fuel to the fire...WHY ARE WE SUPPORTING THEM FINANCIALLY?

I've always said, if a person gets on welfare, they should have an allotted amount of time...6 months to maybe a year) to get back on their feet, if they are of childbearing age, they get on birth control. How many years have some of these savages been on welfare?

We know they want to kill us, why is our government allowing them in to do it?

Posted by: freewoman at November 19, 2006 10:43 AM

Ok, so they realize they have a problem. Is anyone tracking an increase in weapons in and out of Britain? They have severally strong gun control laws, which translates to no way to defend themselves when all these sleepers awaken. I’d be willing to bet big money there is an underground weapons market controlled by guess who? I’ll give you a hint, it is not the church of England.

Posted by: Ronin at November 19, 2006 10:52 AM

If they travel to another Muslim country, don't let them back in. If they were going "home to visit family", they can stay with their "family".
It's too late for Britain, but what about the US?
Is it really out of line for our immigration policies to change to bar all the world's Muslims from our soil until Muslims do something about those whom they claim have "hijacked" their religion?
I see little reason to care what happens to this country, given the leaders we elect and their plans for our future. They want globalization. They have an ally in that cause: ISLAM.

Posted by: PMK at November 19, 2006 10:53 AM

Surely its time for internment and deportation.

How much longer are the dhimmi fools in the UK government going to sit and do nothing? PC multiculturalism is killing the UK.

Posted by: km at November 19, 2006 10:55 AM

Britain is digging its own grave...

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 19, 2006 10:59 AM

The source said: "MI5 would have to be the size of the Stasi (the 100,000-strong East German secret state police during the Cold War)...

Well, they better start recruiting...and fast...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2006 11:03 AM

I have suggested this before.
Buy a copy of "ISLAM What the west needs to know"

Copy it, get someone to do it commercially, then post it to every TA centre addressed to the CO, to every base, every police station, give it to friends, family, teachers everyone, give it to your local printer.
It's only over if we give up. I don't think it is over by a long shot the "awakening" is just begining.

Don't give up get the DVD !

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 19, 2006 11:28 AM

It appears that the best way to deal with these "sleeper" cells is to put them to sleep permanently. Also, it might be time to put a crimp into all those "family reunions" that seem to involve Pakistan and other members of cesspoolia.

This is what makes Islam so despised. More bureaucracy to watch all these idiots leading to less rights and more taxes for the average working stiff. We can thank our idiot politicians for this-let more of them in and breed five or ten more "citizens" whose first allegience is to Illah. The job of politicians has gone from improving their nations to expanding government and stealing more of our money. What a disgrace.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 11:35 AM

Here's what one natural scientist has learned from dealing with snakes:

"One thing that really helps is to use their own behavioral stimuli against them. For instance, to establish dominance over each other, king cobras rear up and try to touch each other on the top of their heads. When one succeeds, the other drops down submissively and crawls away. In the wild, this is an effective way of determining the largest and healthiest, and thus who gets territorial and breeding rights in an area."

At this stage in the growth of the number venomous snakes, The United Kingdom, if it is healthy, will need to forgo their multicultural Peaceable Kingdom notions and consider the effective anti-venom available, namely deportation:

"Almost all countries reserve the right of deportation of foreigners, even those who are longtime residents. In general, deportation is reserved for foreigners who have committed serious crimes, or entered the country illegally, or are wanted in another country (see extradition).

It can also be used on those considered to be a threat to the country. Deportation is generally done directly by the government's executive apparatus rather than by order or authority of a court, and as such is often subject to a simpler legal process (or none), with reduced or no right to trial, legal representation or appeal." - wikipedia

Posted by: Malinois at November 19, 2006 11:38 AM

There is only one answer to these people and that is to throw them all out now. There can be no messing about, PC, do-gooderism or listening to the human rights brigade. These monsters don't give a damn about the people that give them a far better life than the shithole of a pigsarse country they should have been born in.
Until they have all been deported, any that are caught should be hung, no messing about, they have committed treason and should die for it.
Not only should they die but so should members of their families, whose bodies should be covered in pigs blood which means they will go to hell as far as muslims are concerned. Any dead relatives of these people should also be covered in pigs blood even if their graves have to be opened.
We cannot afford to mess about with this lot it is either them or us. We have to hit hard first and make sure it is them. If we want to stop this nonsense we have to act hard not play about as we have been doing.

Posted by: Britishbulldog at November 19, 2006 12:26 PM

Just tell muslims about mohamed. Make them ask what happened to aisha.

Expose him for the paedophile that he is. Ask of them what muhammad asks of them : that they imitate him.

When has your friendly-neighbourhoud-muslim raped a 7 year old muslim girl ? He has to imitate muhammad.

Posted by: tomcpp at November 19, 2006 12:36 PM

Posted by: duh_swami

The source said: "MI5 would have to be the size of the Stasi (the 100,000-strong East German secret state police during the Cold War)...

Well, they better start recruiting...and fast...

The Stasi

East Germany's Ministry for State Security, known as the Stasi, featured probably the most comprehensive internal security operation of the Cold War. The Stasi built an astonishingly widespread network of informants -- researchers estimate that out of a population of 16 million, 400,000 people actively cooperated. The Stasi kept files on up to 6 million East German citizens -- one-third of the entire population.

The Stasi operated with broad power and remarkable attention to detail. All phone calls from the West were monitored, as was all mail. Similar surveillance was routine domestically. Every factory, social club and youth association was infiltrated; many East Germans were persuaded or blackmailed into informing on their own families.

The Stasi kept close tabs on all potential subversives. Stasi agents collected scent samples from people by wiping bits of cloth on objects they had touched. These samples were stored in airtight glass containers and special dogs were trained to track down the person's scent. The agency was authorized to conduct secret smear campaigns against anyone it judged to be a threat; this might include sending anonymous letters and making anonymous phone calls to blackmail the targeted person. Torture was an accepted method of getting information.

Even the suggestion of setting up an organization as decribed above just goes to show how our leaders have screwed us by letting the islam scum into our nations

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 12:39 PM

The "unforgiving minute" cometh, but when will our warnings be heeded?

I know -- I know -- long after that minute has come and passed. Perhaps its the only way for a merry well functioning modern society with some potentially fatal flaws to blunder along under such circumstances.

With few to no Muslims in our midst, they certainly would not pose the existential threat they do now. Make of it what you will.

Posted by: jsla at November 19, 2006 1:10 PM

shiva

We have the liberal equivalent of the Stasi in "Searchlight" keeping tabs on the BNP. They are subsidised by the National Lottery and then there is the BBC doing the same job. We just need the same sort of outfits to watch the Islamists.

Posted by: Fred at November 19, 2006 1:15 PM

The solutions to this problem are simple, brutal and to the point, so they won't be done.

The result? We will get burned. Badly.

Will outlawing Islam even become a reality after a dirty bomb, chemical or biological attack?

How about after a nuclear strike?

Our societies have become that weak and complacent that even now none of us can be sure what will happen in the coming years, even if the threat is choking us to death. And that about says it all, doesn't it?

Posted by: Foehammer at November 19, 2006 1:37 PM

And what happens when Europe is overrun and overtaken by Islam ? What say then, all the noble Englishmen who stood by and let it happen emigrate to America or Australia ? What will it take for Europe to take the razor from their wrists ?
Being a student of bible prophecy it is thought that Europe will rise up and be the power center in End Times. The "Roman Empire" revived. Hmmm..classical thinking has always seen that as "European", but could be that Europe is overrun by Islam and Islam takes control and rises up in that region to be the " EU power" ? The way things are headed one must wonder .

Posted by: bondservant at November 19, 2006 1:49 PM

In some of the comments posted above, it was evident how resentment of such a devious cult led to giving up on the values upon which the west was based. Yes, it’s very factual, they’re ganged up against the infidels, cunning, plotting, and manipulating their ways into the civilized world and turning it into another Yathreb. However, multiculturalism is what flourished the west. Giving up on it is losing the war!

In the latest lecture I watched for Mr. Spencer, he brought attention to a very interesting fact about Islam. Regardless of what our stands are against it, unfortunately, it is a religion. On the other hand, it also is a political constitution! No Muslim can deny that. Religion and state is inseparable. I believe that logic suggests: being a citizen of any state means fully abiding by its constitution. This paradox is our legitimate way around it. If one desires to live in a country, and meets all the prerequisites, they must pledge to be a reflection of it’s constitution which, in the west, means you’re not allowed to marry 6 year olds, veil your face, kill infidels, and most essentially, try to give birth to an alien constitution (Sharia). Furthermore, freedom of speech is a great thing! “holy texts” which Muslims claim only sound unsociable if put out of context should be addressed without restraint. No taboos!

My suggestion is: with Muslims, This should be on papers, and one slip, just one slip, means your out. I just don’t think it’s wise to bash multiculturalism for the deeds of a group of people whose culture is just religion!

Posted by: night_side_eclipse at November 19, 2006 1:57 PM

freewoman asks: "To add fuel to the fire...WHY ARE WE SUPPORTING THEM FINANCIALLY?"

Well, we just got a partial answer to that question too. Here's another little bit of misery for us:

Saudis in threat to cut ties to Britain

David Leppard
20nov06

SAUDI Arabia is threatening to suspend diplomatic ties with Britain unless Downing Street blocks an investigation into a £60 million ($148 million) "slush fund" allegedly set up for members of its royal family.

A senior Saudi diplomat in London has delivered an ultimatum to Tony Blair that unless the inquiry into an allegedly corrupt military deal is dropped, diplomatic links between Britain and Saudi Arabia will be severed, a defence source has disclosed.

The Saudis, key allies in the Middle East, have also threatened to cut intelligence co-operation over al-Qai'da.

They have repeated their threat that they will terminate payments on a military contract worth up to £40 billion that supports 10,000 British jobs.

The Saudis are furious about the Serious Fraud Office's criminal investigation into allegations that BAE Systems, Britain's biggest military supply company, set up the slush fund to support the extravagant lifestyle of members of the Saudi royal family.

The payments, in the form of holidays, luxury cars including a gold Rolls-Royce, rented apartments and other perks, are alleged to have been paid to ensure the Saudis continued to buy from BAE under the Al-Yamamah military supply deal.

Al-Yamamah, meaning "the dove" in Arabic, is the biggest military contract in British history and has kept BAE in business for 20 years.

British police have arrested at least five people during the course of the investigation. These include BAE's managing director of international programs, Peter Wilson, and Tony Winship, a former company executive who oversaw two travel firms that are alleged to have been conduits for the corrupt payments. Both deny any wrongdoing.

The Saudi threat was made in September after the royal family became alarmed at the latest turn in the fraud inquiry.

Sources close to the investigation say the Saudis "hit the roof" after discovering that SFO lawyers had persuaded a magistrate in Switzerland to force disclosure about a series of confidential Swiss bank accounts.

The accounts are said to relate to substantial payments between offshore companies that may have received large sums in previously undisclosed "commissions" in relation to the huge BAE contract.

Read it in full and weep.

Posted by: Steven L. at November 19, 2006 1:58 PM

Britain's BIG Problem Watch (apologies to Charles Johnson)

DEFEND FREEDOM OF ISLAM - FREEDOM FOR JIHAD.

http://uppompeii.blogspot.com/

Posted by: DP111 at November 19, 2006 2:07 PM

This Thanksgiving, Americans should be thankful that you live in a country that allows you to bear arms. When I read more and more tragic stories like this one in Britian, my heart goes out to them. When the enemy decides to take it to the street, our British families will not have guns like Americans would. Imagine not being able to protect yourself? Here in America, we do take comfort knowing that we have weapons to protect our homes, wives, and children from these savages. You can guarantee that Americans will be prepared in that way! They won't be so cocky in the USA because most Americans have an arsenal in their homes!

I know it looks bleak for the UK, but with their last breath before the political correctness turns out the light on them, they should fight for the right to own a gun. It's time to give this right to the people there! Britons have to stand up and demand the right to guard their own. Their government cannot protect them. Last year some muslim hit the streets cutting people up from town to town and the whole story was written off as mental instead of jihad. If a large group of muslims wage war on the streets, they do so knowing that the average Brit doesn't have a gun. When the damage is done, that free medicine won't helpful either. There isn't going to be enough hospitals to help everyone. Their Emergency rooms are exhausted from the immigrants already. The British should fight for their right to protect themselves in the coming future! Every Brit should be allowed to arm themselves with something more than a bow or short knife to fight this enemy when the days of savagery come. Katrina taught us in America what "your on your own" is all about.

Posted by: Happy_Human at November 19, 2006 2:22 PM

Happy_Human

The only people in the UK who are armed are criminals and Muslims. Most male Muslims carry knives - just in case they are struck by SJS ( Sudden Jihad Syndrome).

Posted by: DP111 at November 19, 2006 2:34 PM

Any of those muslims who take part in those sleeper cells in england and elsewhere should lose their citizenship of that country and be shipped to antarctica.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at November 19, 2006 2:44 PM

Posted by: Fred

We have the liberal equivalent of the Stasi in "Searchlight" keeping tabs on the BNP. They are subsidised by the National Lottery and then there is the BBC doing the same job. We just need the same sort of outfits to watch the Islamists.

Searchlight is also funded by the leftist Trade Unions

It was mentioned in another thread how the BBC had filmed Nick Griffen,but there was no mention that Searchlight where the main instigators.Andy Syckes from Searchlight worked longside BBC,s undercover agent Jason Gwynne

Posted by: shiva at November 19, 2006 2:50 PM

"We have the liberal equivalent of the Stasi in "Searchlight" keeping tabs on the BNP."

It's easier to keep tabs on the BNP for the following reasons:

1) It is politically correct to suspect them, so nobody is going to accuse you of "racism" or "hate" -- in fact, you will get pats on the back all round.

2) BNP members and sympathizers are less numerous than Muslim jihadists and their Muslim sympathizers and passively co-dependent enablers.

3) BNP members and sympathizers are less sociologically amorphous than Muslim jihadists and their Muslim sympathizers and passively co-dependent enablers.

4) BNP members and sympathizers are fairly localized geographically and sociologically, whereas Muslim jihadists and their Muslim sympathizers and passively co-dependent enablers partake of a vast and globally sprawling trans-national family (the Islamic Umma).

But, of course, in our present climate of PC insanity, the BNP is perceived to be a far worse threat, and infinitely more heinous, than Islam.

Posted by: remote_control at November 19, 2006 2:50 PM

Why don’t the Chinese offer asylum to muslims? Why else?

Chinese Muslims Threaten Political Stability

Washington, DC 20007 November 2 2006

A recent report by the Monroe Group, a political risk consultancy in Washington DC, finds that Chinese Muslims are a potential threat to political stability in China. This should be of concern to all companies considering investing in the Chinese market.

There are around 20 million Muslims in China, mainly concentrated in the west. One group, the Uighers, seeks to break Xinjiang province away from the rest of China. In the late 1990s, there were a series of protests and violent protests by Muslims in Xinjiang. Xinjiang province remains substantially poorer than other areas of China.

If Xinjiang province breaks away from the rest of China, it could cause political instability and threaten the control of the ruling Communist Party.

Companies considering investing in China, or who are already doing business there, should monitor the situation in the west carefully for further signs of trouble.

For a copy of the report, contact Drosten Fisher, partner at the Monroe Group.
drosten.fisher@monroe-group.com

Posted by: tgusa at November 19, 2006 3:06 PM

DP111,

I can just see the ad campaigns now..:
-------
"Want to kill the infidels? Then get your very own Jihadsu Knife. It slices, it dices, and it even cuts through this tin can without dulling!"

"Gee, that's Amazing, Ahmed!!! Tell me more!"

"Hahaha, Okay, Hamid! - Ever had an infidel that just wouldn't sit still for a beheading?"

"Oh, Yeah, hahahahaha, I hate when that happens!"

"Well, when you purchase the amazing new Jihadsu Knife, we will include, absolutely free, your very own Infidel skewering kit, so you can secure him to the floor with these four handy skewers! - Just like those Romans, er, uhm Jews did to Jesus!"

"Wow, that's incredible! Tell me, Ahmed, can it really be that easy?"

"Oh, yes, Hamid! Just look here as we secure this Infidel to the floor with these absolutely free skewers..."

"Hahaha, Wow! That really, "nails" the infidel to a tee!!!"

"Hohoho, You are too funny, Hamid!!! Now, watch as the amazing Jihadsu blade slices cleanly through the infidel's neck!"

"Wow, That's sensational!!! But, isn't the Jihatsu knife getting dull?"

"Of course not, Ahmed, my friend! Just look as I cut through this tin can! And, it can still slice the skin off of this infidel!"

"Just outstanding! Where can I get this Amazing Jihadsu Knife?"

"From Pakistan, of course!!! - For a limited time, if you order the Jihadsu Knife right now, we will include the absolutely free Infidel Skewering Kit! And, as an added bonus, we will ship over two Al-Qaeda terrorists to help with the instructions for the Jihadsu Knife!"

"Wow! Hamid! Now, That's a Bargain in any Country!!!"

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http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 19, 2006 3:13 PM

Now I understand why Tony BLair has done a complete turnaround regarding Iraq and he suddenly feels that Syria and Iran could be talked to. He has become dhimmified! It's a shame. I really had had respect for him. But no more!!

Posted by: TeachESL at November 19, 2006 3:36 PM

americaningermany asks"
"Why are only we, in the traditional "Western" nations, suicidal???"

from Mark Steyn’s latest book, America Alone:

"We are suffering “civilization exhaustion.” It may not be that we are simply stupid in the lengths that we go to appease the Islamists, but rather that we are deathly afraid of them. Of course, our appeasement is not because we are weak — indeed, the economy and military of the United States are stronger than ever. Rather we are petrified that the use of massive force against such enemies will not only cost us blood and treasure, and perhaps a notch or two off the good life, but also will shatter all our easy falsities about who we are — refined children of the Enlightenment whose logic and largess surely can uplift misguided others who are only in need of our reason and tolerance."

Posted by: Malinois at November 19, 2006 3:38 PM

night side:

Multiculturalism is a very recent fashion and has very little to do with the prosperity of the West. The Enlightenment, throwing off the yoke of the church in matters of politics and science is what gave rise to the world we see around us.

Multiculturalism needs to be deep-sixed in favor of a metaphor that makes clear our allegiance to the common values that define our country, no matter our origins. Anybody for a mosaic, or (what I grew up on) the melting pot?

Posted by: materialguy at November 19, 2006 4:01 PM

americaingermany you're welcome.

I'll further the discussion along with a few observations of my own:

A "healthy" country, like a healthy individual will evaluate the facts and utilize mature defenses to cope with and change the situation they find themselves in. They are not afraid of their aggressive impulses because those impulses are reigned in by reason and not indulged in lightly.

Here's my "short list" of things we need to change -no, demand of ourselves and those we elect to govern us:

1. Stop buying into the rhetoric of the "misunderstood Muslim" telling us that Jihad is really an "inner struggle".
2. Free ourselves of oil dependence.
3. Stop all the shameful appeasement and hypocrisy. We need to turn away any immigrant from a country that supports terrorists.
4. Say NO to any more mosque-building on USA real estate.
5. Divest our portfolios of stocks in companies that do business with states that support terrorists. http://www.divestterror.org/.
6. Stop wasting time and resources on trying to get the muslims to reform, change or otherwise behave better.

Posted by: Malinois at November 19, 2006 4:24 PM

Yesterday our government gave away £100m to help Iraqi rebuild itself.

Today they will give £500m to aid education in Pakistan.

...and they wonder why our Kids bully them in the playground

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-bully_191106_1300,00.html

Are we paying them not to terrorise us?

While our health service suffers unemployment rises and our troops come home in bodybags.

Posted by: raz at November 19, 2006 4:53 PM

Muslims dodging questions from the audience, and then calling the police because they didn't like the questions that were being asked of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJweJ02Ar0c&mode=related&search=

Posted by: Prickzilla at November 19, 2006 6:20 PM

Opportunities as a result of immigration, or planned immigration? Radical Islam began its latest Jihad against the West over 40 years ago when the Muslim Brotherhood sparked this cycle. Given the pathetic state of most Muslim countries they knew they needed a covert strategy to take on the infidels. Military force was not wise as the primary tool. Immigration was.

Islands of growing Muslim populations are now on every continent. Radical Muslim leaders may have used long-term sleeper groups as anchors in foreign lands to attract more Muslims. Now a critical mass of Muslim communities connected by technology, funded by radicals, and motivated by clerics is ready to show some muscle.

Our enemy has displayed patience and strategic thinking. We'll have to do the same.

Posted by: gordo at November 19, 2006 8:13 PM

The 24th Amendment to the United States Constitution

Whereas;

(1) Islam is a societal model coupling rigid codes for personal allegiances, legal systems, governance, and religion;
(2) In modern practice, these codes call for the undermining of the rights and freedoms of women;
(3) These codes cannot be reconciled with the United States Constitution as they call for non-believers to either convert to Islam, pay taxes to Islam, or be killed in the name of Islam;
(4) Followers of Islam actively seek to undermine the United States Constitution and the people who live under it;

It is found that Islam cannot be considered a religion with respect to the First Amendment. Organizations based on the teachings of Mohammed shall be banned in the United States. Individuals professing allegiance to any such organization shall be offered to become apostates from Islam and remain Citizens in good standing. Those who do not choose to leave the belief system shall be found guilty of Sedition, stripped of their Citizenship, and deported to their Country of Origin or Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: limes at November 19, 2006 8:29 PM

Last week we had troll/Muslim apologist Ramon rant on about how murderously brutal the West is. I submit that if he was telling the truth this stuff about sleeper cells would be irrelevant because the big bad West would have exterminated them all long ago. Not only that, but the doors to Muslim immigration would have been locked shut.

But since this story IS here I guess that makes Ramon and his co-cultists liars. What a surprise, considering how the Koran makes lying a virtue.

By the way, why AREN"T those sleeper cells being zapped as they're found? Why should the pigs be jailed at taxpayer expense or deported so they can spread their insanity via the Internet.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 19, 2006 9:35 PM

Limes - This is an idea whose time has come. Thanks for framing what needs to be done in the language of an amendment to the US Constitution. Let's plant this seed here and now and nurture it til it comes to fruition.

I believe in the power of positive affirmations, so I'm going to work up a simple one in the morning to support this becoming a reality, after I've had a good nights sleep.

Alls well,
Malinois

Posted by: Malinois at November 19, 2006 10:14 PM

A lot of people may believe that deportation is the answer to the Muslim population problems in their countries. The truth is, Muslim countries have been more than willing to export their problems, er populations, to Europe and America for the sole purpose of colonization. If a country such as France or England were to try to deport all their Muslims, no country of origination would allow this to happen. Not because they would have any say in the deportation policy put forth by the government. But, in so much as they could deny re-patriotization of the unwanted population. The question is how do you force a significantly large population back to its country of origin. Do you build massive ships and set them afloat or beach them on the shores of their country of origin.

This leaves the natives of those countries being colonized by Muslims and third world immigrants few choices. Either the natives submit to Dhimmitude, or tear down the mosques and force Dhimmitude upon the Muslims, ie christian conversion, or come up with a final solution, as in Sherman's march through Shenandoah. Living tolerantly with third world immigrants especially those from Muslim countries will not work as can be seen in countries such as France, Belgium and the Netherlands. I’m sure a few bloggers could come up with solutions that can’t be mentioned in this forum.

And please don't envy the Americans for their formidable arsenal in the hands of its citizenry. As the proud owner of a firearm I have realized that once the ammunition runs out in a firefight, my weapon isn't worth two cow flops. Storing massive amounts of ammunition is in one’s home is generally out of the question. Not that it hasn't’t been done. But, your average gun owner is just not going to do it.

The real weapon being used against the colonized subject in his/her home country is population growth. And this I have to blame on the natives of the very countries being colonized. Since whites have lost all aspects of racial consciousness through multiculturalism and political correctness. These same whites are currently thinning their own ranks through racial and cultural suicide. Whites no longer believe in their own past or their own future. Through hedonistic and nihilistic tendencies such as liberal immigration, feminism, homosexuality, abortion, inter-racial marriage, and generally antagonistic beliefs against having children, whites are not producing the children needed to, at the minimum, replace their ethnic populations. Third world immigrants are more than happy to take up the slack, and all on the dhimmi’s dime.

We may convince ourselves for the need to take up arms to hold off the onslaught of the third world masses colonizing our respective countries and throwing our race in the dustbin of history, but this would only result in fast-tracking the genocide of the white race. History has taught us that in every conflict there is at a minimum, two sides. In America, after the election, we are already starting to see the dhimmi’s in our government taking up the cause for Islam and requesting that we pull our troops back behind the lines of demarcation, all the while allowing increased immigration from third world countries that have populations that are known for their contempt for our way of life. Europe is being colonized by Muslims and America is being colonized by Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean.

And, who is to say that the liberals and the open border globalist enablers would not be more than willing to take up arms to protect their ideology against their fellow travelers in ethnicity. Europe, as elsewhere, is replete with wars of participants willing to shed blood and die for their respective belief systems. And there is no guarantee that one’s own government and military won’t come in on the side of the colonizers against their very own native citizens. Beware the moment of doom when the majority of your nations military consists of the colonizers. For this will be the moment when you live in Dhimminitude.

Posted by: williamtheconqueror at November 19, 2006 10:21 PM

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jun/02varsha.htm

The perils of 'multiculturalism'

Posted by: Crows&Cows at November 19, 2006 11:34 PM

tgusa

While China tends to muck things up for us by obstructing, say, sanctions on Iran, they actually have figured out the right way to deal with Muslims, be it in Xinxiang, Gansu or Tibet - one that the Russians could use in Chechnya, Indians in Kashmir (and elsewhere), Israelis in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper, Thai in S Thailand, etc.

Companies doing business in China tend to operate in Muslim-free areas, like Shanghai, Beijing, Shuzhou, and a lot of those areas. If the US had its own act together on Islam, I'd have suggested it threaten sanctions on China not if Uygars are mistreated, but if China continues to be an obstructionist on Iran (and for that matter N Korea). Let's make sure we ding China for the right reasons, not the wrong ones. If China or Russia ever Islamizes, it's over.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 20, 2006 1:19 AM

Williamtheconqueror I have often though about your point what if their home countries will not take them so the answer is you have to make them want to go. So you ban Islam, pull down their mosques, when they die cover them in pigs blood or bury a pigs head, testicles etc in their coffin (if they wish to be cremated don't allow it). They will soon want to leave without being forced. We could also ban them from owning any shops etc. When they decide to leave give them the value of their business once it has been sold. There are plenty of things we could do to persuade them to leave.

Posted by: Britishbulldog at November 20, 2006 4:22 AM

Any nation that wants a fifth column of angry religious fanatics should be sure to allow high levels of Muslim immigration

Posted by: dennisw at November 20, 2006 5:09 AM

The only comfort I get from hearing this - and its not news as its been going on for years - is that eventually it will bring about a sharp polarisation in our society and the muslim community will be forced onto the defensive.

Already government is oh so slowly concluding that muslims are two faced and totally untrustworthy - something most people have known ever since we have had contact with them - the phrase "lying Arab" didnt come from nowhere.

What does concern me is whether we are capable of being ruthless enough to deal with these people. I know from friends in Afghanistan its a complete turkey shoot out there in Helmand Province and the Taliban are being killed in droves - hence the virtual news blackout. But when will we have the nerve to deal harshly with those muslims at home who plot against us?

Treason is the most serious crime on the books and if we started arresting and charging these people in '000's it would seriously disrupt their activity and knock the muslim community for six. Unfortunately in a Secular/proressive society commiting Treason is almost a badge of honour for liberals.

Government seems to think that if we are nice to them then they'll be nice to us. Thats not how they think. They only understand the big stick.

We will never be safe as long as any muslims live in western countries. Only mass expulsions will do the job.

Posted by: Tancred1 at November 20, 2006 6:15 AM

Three strangers strike up a conversation in the airport passenger lounge in Calgary Alberta, while awaiting their respective flights.

One is an American Indian passing through from Lame Deer. Another is a Cowboy on his way to Lethbridge for a livestock show. The third passenger is a fundamentalist Arab student, newly arrived at the University of Calgary from the Middle East. Their discussion drifts to their diverse cultures. Soon, the two Westerners learn that the Arab is a devout, radical Muslim and the conversation falls into an uneasy lull.

The cowboy leans back in his chair, crosses his boots on a magazine table and tips his big sweat-stained hat forward over his face. The wind outside is blowing tumbleweeds around, and the old windsock is flapping; but still no plane comes.

Finally, the American Indian clears his throat and softly he speaks, "At one time here, my people were many, but sadly, now we are few."

The Muslim student raises an eyebrow and leans forward, "Once my people were few", he sneers, "and now we are many. Why do you suppose that is?"

The Alberta cowboy shifts his toothpick to one side of his mouth and from the darkness beneath his Stetson says in a smooth drawl, "That's 'cause we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet, but I do believe it's a-comin'."

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America would not have survived as a nation if we had not prevented foreign powers from using the Injuin tribes against us. Andrew Jackson understood this harsh truth which lead to the Trail of Tears. Andrew Jackson preserved us a nation.

Are the Muslims that live amongst us with us or against us? If they are with us then Muslim clerics will espouse freedom of conscience for all men and they will do so publicly, unconditionally and in terms of Islamic theology. I cannot find one such Muslim cleric. Can you find one?

A people who worship the false gods of political correctness lack the will to name Islam resurgent as the enemy. A people who lack the will to name the enemy lack the will to do what must be done to defeat the evil that is Islam resurgent. We the peons have just placed in power America hating scum who acknowledge no god but the false gods of political correctness.

Which city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?

Posted by: Ralph127 at November 20, 2006 8:04 AM

Ralph 127 - the nuke or some attack on that order of magnitude seems to be the only thing that will frame this war correctly in the minds of people in the free world. It's not only Britian but also the majority in the United States. They don't want to face it and they won't until they are forced to. The islamic jihad will continue to push the issue until the catastrophe happens.

That's what it's going to take unfortunately. Many millions will have to die when it could have been less. We never learn.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 20, 2006 10:19 AM

Infidel Pride,
I agree completely. China has always been a wild card. Make no mistake, they care about China first, as it should be. Theoretically Americans and Chinese should get along we are not all that much different. They love dogs, music, sports, games, travel, money, family, and work, a lot like us. The China of today is nothing like the China of the 1960s, they are making progress, albeit slow. Remember, in the late 1940s they went commie, it is not as if they have been like that for hundreds of years. Without the Chinese military brutally crushing all opposition they could be a free nation right now. The more I think about it, the USA and China are quite similar, both have a group of leaders determined to preserve their power and get rich off the people at any cost.

Posted by: tgusa at November 20, 2006 10:49 AM

"Three-quarters of the state legislatures will ratify
an amendment to the United States Constitution
banning all adherents, practices and forms of Islam based on the Qur'an."

No, that's not a MSM headline, YET. Let me explain.

In a previous post to JW, Limes outlined language for an amendment to the US Constitution essentially outlawing
Islam. I followed up with a commitment to write an affirmation in support of said amendment becoming a reality, hence the opening line of this post.

For those wishing more information on affirmations and the power of words to create, an informative and fun read can be found at Scott Adam’s Dilbert Blog. http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/10/affirmations.html

Posted by: Malinois at November 20, 2006 12:19 PM

Is this happening in only Britian??? I would think not......or is this happening to other western countries as well???? of course it couldnt possibly have nothing to do with what is in the Quran could it... How would our leaders know, they dont read it, they just take the word of Muslim leaders who are allowed to lie to the infidel or in times of war for the cause of Allah, as long as they dont mean it in their hearts...

Posted by: Gaye at November 20, 2006 2:05 PM

freewoman you say that, We know they want to kill us, why is our government allowing them in to do it?

It seems that our Governments in the west dont want to read the quran or other of their holy books, as if they did they would see that Mohammad said to terrorise the people first as it weakens them and makes them easier to conqure, then you give an invite to come to Allah, and if they still refuse you slaughter. We have already had the terrorism, and the invitation???
Now alll Muslims will soon be called to go to war against us that is even the ones that WE call moderate, simply because the Quran says that if they dont when they are called they are counted as apostates and will also be slaughtered...

Posted by: Gaye at November 20, 2006 2:14 PM

The Muslim community now inhabits principally the urban centres of England as well as some parts of Scotland and Wales. It forms a spine running down the centre of England from Bradford to London, with ribs extending east and west. It is said that within 10 to 15 years most British cities in these areas will have Muslim-majority populations, and will be under local Islamic political control, with the Muslim community living under Sharia.

What happens after this stage depends on which of the two main religious traditions among Pakistani-background British Muslims gains the ascendancy. The Barelwi majority believe in a slow evolution, gradually consolidating their Muslim societies, and finally achieving an Islamic state. The Deobandi minority argue for a quicker process using politics and violence to achieve the same result. Ultimately, both believe in the goal of an Islamic state in Britain where Muslims will govern their own affairs and, as the finishing touch, everyone else’s affairs as well.

Posted by: Gaye at November 20, 2006 3:09 PM