I heard your interview on Prager's show. I have heard few speak more authoritatively and convincingly on a subject, much less on one with such a long, nuanced and controversial history. I look forward to your book, and I commend you for your cajones.

Posted by: Big Stupid Guy at November 20, 2006 11:50 PM

Isn't Lekovic our own Yvonne Ridley? Every dhimmi country needs one. And why did she call you a liar pointing out the 3 alternatives for infidels? Does she think infidels are incapable of reading the Quran? Oh that's right, only Arabs understand what the Quran really says? Islam makes converts stupid.

Posted by: John Sobieski at November 20, 2006 11:58 PM

Yes, the Arabic gambit. That must be the problem. Ibn Warraq shreds that to tiny little pieces in What the Qur'an Really Says.

Great job, Robert, as usual. I wish the networks and other mainstream outlets could find a few more tiny blocks of time for you to discuss these matters with a Muslim spokeswoman. They're always women, in the West anyway. You know, OJ permitting. It's only the issue which will dominate the next century, if not longer.

Posted by: Beagle at November 21, 2006 12:08 AM

If Edina Lekovic was the most qualified spokesperson which the Muslim Public Affairs (!!)Council could put forward, they are really hurting. She came across as agitated, insecure and unfamiliar with the canonical texts of her own religion. Mr. Spencer, as usual, was in full command of the facts and the sources and maintained his professional demeanor and good humor throughout. He certainly came across as more familiar with the intricacies of Islam than not only Ms. Lekovic but probably also most (if not all) Muslim clerics who might have been available to appear opposite him. Good show -- wish it could have gone on for another five minutes at least.

Posted by: urbanIIredux at November 21, 2006 12:11 AM

Nice work Robert...pity edina plays the typical moderate muslim, and fails to say anything new, prove anything she says, and reverts to outright lies when presented with the unpleasent facts of history. I'll be seeking out your book.

Posted by: CharlesM at November 21, 2006 12:13 AM

Great job Robert. Too bad we can't get you on longer.

Posted by: gerard150 at November 21, 2006 12:19 AM

Robert Spencer wrote:

She claims at the end that I want to drive all Muslims into the sea -- an intriguing and probably unconscious echo of Palestinian jihad rhetoric about Israel.
..................

Hmm--you are probably right.. After proving unable to address *any* of the points you make in "The Truth about Mohammed", Lekovic falls back on vaguely accusing you of disliking Muslims, and cites your website (JW) as "proof". I had assumed that meant that some unmoderated poster had made a comment to this effect, but it did seem odd to me. A number of posters have talked about deporting Muslims, but I had never read anything about "driving Muslims into the sea"--it doesn't make much sense.

But of course you do hear constant radical Muslim references to driving Israeli Jews into the sea. More projection.

Posted by: gravenimage at November 21, 2006 12:27 AM

Robert, I was pleased to catch your interview on Fox News this evening. I admire your patience in dealing with the lies and half-truths spouted by Ms. Lekovic. Some of her comments left me wondering if she has a clue about what is really in the Koran. By wearing a hijab, I have a hard time believing she really is a "moderate" Muslim.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at November 21, 2006 12:29 AM

Hi all, I'm new here and have only made a couple of posts so far, but i must say that next to watching the Glenn Beck show ( Whos promotion of the Documentary "" OBSESSION, Radical Islams war on the West "" was the Catalyst for my awakening) , Jihad Watch has been a very big eye opener for me as well.I salute your efforts. I have tried very hard to find media that is not not afraid to call this Radical Muslim insanity out on the carpet and Expose it's Agenda as it should be. the Western media is doing a great diservice to us all by not reporting this stuff accurately and thoroughly. where is the Media!?! i come here and read the articles and i am saddened by how little any of this stuff is covered. anyway back on topic...

And thank You.

Posted by: DUGGY at November 21, 2006 12:34 AM

What a pack of lies Lekovic offered up. But good on Fox for showing her. Hell, get her on every day. The more people see the intolerance, the anger, the open lying offered up by propagandizing mouthpieces like this, the more they'll begin to realize the truth, the more they'll start to look beyond the MSM nonsense about Islam. You did an excellent job with her, Robert, made her look like the liar that she so obviously is.

And your book is brilliant, Robert. I'm just about two-thirds of the way through it now. Solid research, very clearly written, impossible to refute. I hope people at the top in Western governments are reading it, as it really puts into proper perspective what we are facing from Islam.

Posted by: OutOfAqaba at November 21, 2006 12:35 AM

I first heard you on the Michael Medved radio show debating a muslim cleric. It was fantastic. The segment on the O'Reilly Factor was too short, but very good.

I have your book The Truth About Muhammed on order and expect to have it this week. I can't wait to delve into it!

THANK YOU for all you do!!! I have a shortcut to Jihad Watch on my laptop and check in first thing in the morning and often throughout the day for updates. It's a haven of truth in an seemingly insane world.

Posted by: rejjie at November 21, 2006 12:49 AM

Poor Ms. Lekovic; she had neither the knowledge, temperament, nor style to compete with Robert's reasoned, succinct, fact-based points. Her handlers will surely keep her hidden the next time Robert is in town.

Posted by: Xero G at November 21, 2006 12:51 AM

Its all in the exposure. I just love it when the opposite side starts recommending this website. They create more interest and it will keep building. I'm sure that O'Reilly will be looking at it. The next thing will be the use of Robert to do the stand up bit for the background of Islam.

Laura has a habit of referring to, "our friends over at CAIR". In reality, the folks at CAIR have never figured out what she is really referring to. The neat thing is they can't.

And so it goes.

Posted by: credit man at November 21, 2006 12:52 AM

Welcome Duggy!

I know just how you feel: had the same feeling a little while ago when I first started posting here. Guess most of us go through this. This site keeps me sane!

I have posted these links before, and anywhere I can, if you haven't seen the whole film.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-692071627799119020&q=obsession+islam

And this is another "must see" about Israel and the Palestinians.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2533702461706761547&q=relentless

We need to get the truth out there.

Posted by: Gramfan at November 21, 2006 12:53 AM

Man, that woman was a little jerk! Those supposed moderate's never shut up, always babbling away at how "hateful" Robert's books are.

Robert, you continue to be the definition of cool, calm, collected. The Truth will get out in time, man, don't worry. Be strong.

Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 21, 2006 1:04 AM

Isn't she a Bosnian Muslim, rather than an American convert a la Ibrahim Hooper?? And as others noted, it's interesting how she ducked almost all the direct questions.

There isn't a good Muslim spokesperson who can hold a candle to Robert. Thomas Haidon, maybe, but no one else comes to mind.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 21, 2006 1:09 AM

Edina says that qur'an 9:29 doesn't say what it says(?)
009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Sadly, most who see the interview will not remember the reference to qur'an 9:29. Soooo, we will tell them and tell them if they come to JW. We should make a point to quote the qur'an or hadith in every post.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2006 1:13 AM

One thing she said that I agreed with is "the only good muslim is an ex-muslim". Ask Ali Sina.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2006 1:21 AM

Nice job Robert. Ms. Lekovic has poor knowledge of the Koran- as you rightly pointed out on the O'Reilly Factor. She comes across as having little authority and credibility about Islam.

It was obvious that Ms. Lekovic was awkward and nervous on the show tonight. Laura did a nice job of challenging her on the Saudi Arabia dilemma concerning the marginalization of Christians and the lack of reciprocity concerning interfaith dialogue in the intolerant Saudi Kingdom.

How refreshing it is to see your views being covered in the media. Your intellectual prowess in dealing with matters pertaining to Islam are sorely needed in our world today.

Keep up the great work.

Posted by: Johnathan at November 21, 2006 1:26 AM

I would like to see us define the possible mythical "moderate" Muslim in specific terms. Specifically, could we not all agree that any Muslim

WHO LIES ABOUT ISLAM

is not a moderate? Can we agree on that? Just a simple criterion. Doesn't matter what charity work they do, how pious, peaceful, blah, blah.

Maybe keep a list of "So-Called Moderate Muslims" and their individual pseudo-apologetic LIES, and constantly remind them of their lies.

Should Edina Lekovic EVER be allowed to show her face on television again without being confronted with her myriad lies on this show tonight, especially her denial of the teachings of the Qur'an?

And what is up with Laura? Isn't this the second time with Spencer in a row that she allowed a Muslim apologist to tell a big fat lie without calling them on it? Does she have any concern for the truth, or is it just better for ratings to have feisty he said/she said unresolved crosstalk fading into the credits?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 1:26 AM

Hi all,
Just wanted to say I'm also new here as a poster, but not as a reader. This site gives me hope.

Posted by: CarpeDiem at November 21, 2006 1:35 AM

Robert did a great job, of course.

But here's the real test, IMO.

Every show host should ask their Muslim guests how they personally interpret 5:33 and 9:29.

The 'moderates' will likely state that such passages were applicable to the time and circumstances in which they were written.

But, as we know, Muslim literalists, fundamentalists, and jihadists don't see it that way; and as RS has said, there's no unifying voice in Islam.

The test question:

What makes you right, and Usama bin Laden wrong?

And stand back as the tap dancing begins!

Posted by: PRCS at November 21, 2006 1:41 AM

Great job Robert.

I think the debate was an excellent illustration of the general muslim tactic. Basically, they claim that Muhammad did not preach violent jihad, and when someone says Muhammad was wrong to preach jihad, they claim that that person just made them into a radical because they had no idea Muhammad preached violent jihad until that person told them he did. For the most part, the media falls for it.

Anyway, I think this interview shows that the modus operandi is lying and feigning ignorance when found out. Many easily refutable lies/accusations made by this spokesperson.

As for the bizarre statement you want to drive muslims "into the sea/ocean", I think Robert accurately points out that this is a Freudian slip. It certainly isn't a term from any conservative website, but a Hamas concept. So the "moderate" muslim is in fact well acquainted with the jihad ideolology of hamas, in spite of the fact that she lied through her teeth and claimed to be hearing jihad ideology from Robert for the first time in her life. In fact, it is so ingrained that when she gets pissed off she involuntarily starts spouting Hamas terminology.

Further, I think that bizarre seemingly out of place comment can be perhaps be explained in the following way. Robert confronts her with the fact that Islam preaches violent jihad against unbelievers. She lies and denies it, but she must know it is true. Then she makes the statement "you want to drive us into the sea". This seems completely bizarre and out of place if we accept her denial of jihad that immediately preceded it as honest and sincere. But, it isn't. She knows her denial of jihad is false and so there is a subconsious need to make a statement justifying violent jihad at that point which she then acts on - you unbelievers want to drive us muslims into the sea.

These types of debates are often like taking to someone who admires Adolf Hitler and denies the Holocaust. You tell them he shouldn't admire Hitler because the Holocaust was wrong, and that yes, Adolf Hitler was responsible for it. Then that person turns around and says that you should stop trying to prove to him the Holocaust happened because that will only make him want to kill Jews.

However, this is just by way of illustration, and by no means do I mean to imply that Muhammad and Hitler had anything at all in common. After all, Adolf Hitler was a mentally-ill nationalistic sadistic man with delusions of grandeur bent on world conquest who started his career by persecuting and killing Jews. No similarities to Muhammad at all.

Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at November 21, 2006 2:16 AM

It's too bad that the ones who should know Islam and the Versus of the Koran the best( Actual Muslims like Lekovic ), either don't know enough about the Religion they vigorously defend as a peaceful religion, or they are flat out liars . either way they present a great threat, with their ignorance , or as accomplices.

Posted by: DUGGY at November 21, 2006 2:29 AM

An article about Edina:

Expert says women honored in Islam
http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2006/04/14/TopStories/Expert.Says.Women.Honored.In.Islam-1852457.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

Perhaps she hasn't seen this:

New Pakistani rape laws anger Islamists
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_rape_laws

Where, in the twenty-first century, Pakistan is still debating whether to ditch the death penalty for extramarital sex and to revise a clause making victims produce four witnesses to prove rape cases.

Another gem from the 'Expert' article:

"Sarah Yusufali...said one misconception she would like to correct is the idea that Muslims support the activities of Saddam Hussein.

"Killing of any sort is against Islam," said Yusufali."

Perhaps Saddam hired Catholics to do his dirty work for him.

Posted by: PRCS at November 21, 2006 2:36 AM

intresting demonstayion>spelling intended 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
# Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

# Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178

# Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-22:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. i found this in thquran in 4 minets of looking so all i can say imo this lady is full of sh-t

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 21, 2006 2:41 AM

I heard the audio of the show, and the only complaint I have is that the host, Laura Ingraham, was not assertive enough in her role as moderator to tell Lekovic to stop interrupting Spencer, and to ask Lekovic to back up her assertion that Spencer's specific citation of the Qur'an was a "lie". Lekovic needed to be exposed for, in fact, lying herself when she said it was a "lie"; and Ingraham failed.

Posted by: remote_control at November 21, 2006 3:42 AM

Robert Spencer rules! Great debate, but it was a shame O'Reilly wasn't there; it would've been interesting to see Spencer and O'Reilly interact on Islam.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 21, 2006 4:48 AM

Ms. Ingraham, according to what she says on the radio, still believes that the Iraqi’s want freedom democracy and any other American goodies they can get. She is reaching out to moderates, trying to find them but sometimes its not easy, why? Why is she reaching out, it is they that want to kill us. I don’t think it is her fault, she just can’t comprehend the enormity of evil involved, she can’t grasp that someone could hate that much. They hate us so much they don’t even want to be touched by us. I just don’t think she quite gets it. Also, given the status of women in islam, are women even allowed to touch the koran or do they have to have daddy read it to them?

Posted by: tgusa at November 21, 2006 5:50 AM

They are all the same. They put lipstick on this pig called Islam, and when you tell them that it doesn't make the pig into anything other than a pig they lie in your face, they curse you and they want to kill you...

The 'moderates' call you a liar and tell the world you are a 'racist'- that you 'want to kill them or drive them into the sea-' like the hijabbed Mohammedan twit on this show...

Welcome to the bizarre and idiotic 'religion' of Islam!

I had an inTernet chat with a Mohammedan last night who told me that Islam is all about 'love all-hate none'-, that there is no jihad; and dhimmitude was actually wonderful, because you, Dhimmi are 'protected' and you don't have to do military service...

They may be stupid, but we have an equal amount, if not more stupidity among ourselves to allow them around...

INTERNMENT & DEPORTATIONS, NOW!

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 21, 2006 6:03 AM

Yes indeed, it's called Projection: when you take attitudes, feelings, opinions that you hold yourself and you attribute them to another person.

And it's really quite desperate isn't it? There is Mr Spencer, trying to debate the issue, and he has to contend with a comment about driving Muslims into the sea. You'll notice that it comes right at the end so there is no time to argue against it.

But then it's not appealing to any logic, it's designed to provoke the Useful Idiots, aka the Bleeding Hearts, aka the Yoghurt Knitters, aka the Hand Wringers, aka the Moonbats, aka the Democrats (elected into a majority just recently as requested by the Jihadists). It's designed to appeal directly to these sort of people on an emotional level. That is how the Media has been inviting these people to work for ages. Although I am glad to see that the Moslem woman got short shrift on this occasion.

I am currently looking at this video - U.S. folks have probably seen it, but in the U.K. we might not have:
http://islamophobic.blogspot.com/
or
http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/

Posted by: FREE LEE at November 21, 2006 6:23 AM

Robert,
Just read your book. It was great. I recommend it to anyone interested in understanding the true motives of Islamic terrorists.
You did a great job on the O'Riley factor exposing the rediculous argument that Islam is a peaceful religion. I only wish You could arrange an hour long televised debate with a panel of Muslim apologists. That would be a real service to the American public, who are still confused about what to believe about the true nature of Islam.

Posted by: rational at November 21, 2006 6:30 AM

apologies, above links are to:
Glenn Beck's "Exposed - The Extremist Agenda"

Posted by: FREE LEE at November 21, 2006 6:46 AM

I caught Robert's appearance last night. I forced four other people to watch it with me, too.

As usual, Robert was calm, direct, and logical.

As others here have said, I only wish the spot had been longer.

Happy to see that Robert was able to squeeze in the exhortation, "Read the Qur'an!" at the end.

Well done.

Posted by: InfidelWench at November 21, 2006 7:01 AM

Grunt, they always tend to be silent when forced with the truth. They'll be back.

Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 7:41 AM

I was delighted to see Robert's interview last night.

When Laura asked Edina the enemy, where are the moderate muslims, the answer was oh, they're screaming in the streets.

Posted by: pigtails not veils at November 21, 2006 8:10 AM

robert

kudos again. very calm and in control. i would like to see more public discussion. i think our appetite for direct muslim dialogue has just been resurrected.

what about a debate format mediated by fox/cnn/etc. i'd be willing to put up the first $10k. any other takers.

Posted by: raja at November 21, 2006 8:20 AM

Bravo Robert, excellent job, your work and the work of many in the anti-jidadist vanguard give me hope.

God bless you from El Cid and his very large infidel family all of which will get a copy of your book for Christmas.

Again God Bless. We will win because the truth is on our side and will awaken the world to the dangers we face.

Posted by: El Cid at November 21, 2006 8:22 AM

"Robert, you continue to be the definition of cool, calm, collected." Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth

"As usual, Robert was calm, direct, and logical." Posted by: InfidelWench

I second the above comments. The segment was excellent and I was glad to be able to see it (I don't have cable TV).

It was interesting that, when Robert Spencer said, "Read the Koran", Edina Lekovic said, "I am reading the Koran".

So maybe she just hasn't gotten to the verse that Robert Spencer quoted.

(Yeah, right.)

And that thing about Robert Spencer wanting to drive all Muslims into the sea was bizarre. Muslim spokespersons all seem to co-opt things that have happened or that have been threatened against other, real victims, and act as though the evil deeds have been done to Muslims.

It's strange. It's as if they all view the world through the same distorted lens.

Posted by: Josephine at November 21, 2006 8:23 AM

Her "muslims into the sea" comment is flat false. I have done google searches and even attempted to write it out different ways using just muslim and sea and the only refrences I can come up with is comments about the earth quake in Indonesia which had nothing to do about driving anyone into the sea. We all know Mr. Spencer said no such thing but no one on the comment section as I can tell has said such a thing. In fact no phrase or any like as best as I can tell unless she is pulling something deep from the archives has ever said anything like it anywhere on Jihadwatch. Some statement on lgf seems to imply that but once again from the comments which can be from anyone. Lets face it trolls who are pro-jihad like naseem and others have said just as many bad things about non-muslims. Does that imply Mr. Spencer is pro-jihad becuase of what Naseem or some other nut posts.

Heck I just pushed the idea of invading Belgium IF they took american leaders to the world court for trials on war crimes. I suppose now looking back on that no doubt people like this woman will say "Mr. Spencer says Belgium should be invaded".

Nutz.....

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 21, 2006 8:44 AM

I too, watched with delight...
First that Fox showed Robert's new book and highlighting the cover, stated that it was causing an uproar in the Muslim community.
(Yeah they don't want to hear or know the truth)

Edina error 3 times, putting words into Robert's mouth twice, and then stated this funny line "Doing the hard work, inside of their Mosque, in order to promote the true message of Islam, which is to uphold Peace, Justice, Mutual understanding, Equality, Mercy – these are the teaching of Islam."

I really enjoyed how Robert sighted as fact 9:29 –and she states that it was false, Robert tells her to read the Qu’ran and specifically that verse and sights it again… 9:29

Great Job Robert!
KnightHawk

Posted by: KnightHawk at November 21, 2006 8:51 AM

Also I forgot to add way to nail her at the end. I like the part "read your koran"!

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Every apologist should be told this.

I think her "muslims into the sea" bit had more to do with you nailing her like that. It really ticked her off. You got her goat.

In fact you in every debate you should scream read Koran 9:29. We Americans as you know are a sound bite people. It might start to stick plus there only defense is to say something wild without proof and makes her defense look really stupid when you read it.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 21, 2006 8:59 AM

Edina tried to deflect blame to the media for not covering moderate muslim opposition to the extremists, such so called opposition is in the mosques so she says.

You don't see this opposition in the media news clips because there is none to show. We all know how hungry the media is for news. Seems to me if there was such news to report, we would see it every day. If the muslim moderates were so in fact disgusted with extremists they wouldn't be hiding in mosques, they would be out in public view with mass demonstrations condeming extremists all over the world and trying to rally moderate support.

I really think she and the others are trying to spoof us all.

Put your words into action Edina or just talk is mute!

Posted by: sounder at November 21, 2006 9:30 AM

Nice showing last night. Thank you and keep up the good work.

Posted by: limes at November 21, 2006 9:38 AM

So, what was the condemnation a 'moderate' muslim like Edina has loudly proclained that Laura Ingrahm is so thakful to Edina about? I would like to know. From what I see, Edina is an inflexible, intolarant prude. a jihadi masquarading as a 'moderate', with hostility towards non-muslim to match!

Posted by: Alert at November 21, 2006 9:39 AM

I had to go to the HOT air's site to get the video.

Edena has been on O'Reilly before. I recognize the scarf bit. She is the epitome of the talking head. Very few points of view. She was asked at least 3 times about where are the moderate muslims. Laura made the point that she looks very hard to find moderate muslims for her show. I could very easily see that if there was a grain of truth about muslims speaking out about the violence being perpetuated, that there could easily be a schism develop with an american muslim church and rest of the world church. I don't see that happening at all.

So much for the seeking of moderate muslims.

Here on national cable, we are told that they are hiding in mosques.

I'm not going there to find out!

Posted by: credit man at November 21, 2006 9:44 AM

You know Robert--
I think the muslims know you are BULLETPROOF on what you are saying.

You know what I love about it?--that you keep on saying THE SAME THINGS. That shows that you meant it the previous time you said it and will mean it the next time you say it--the FACTS ARE THE FACTS. It is right out of the koran and then you quote the islamic spokesmen--so they can't really even get on the same platform with you--they all go away looking like idiots as did this Edina (from Medina??)

I particulary loved when Laura asked, "Where are the moderate muslims protesting (the jihadi threats and murederous actions)?" You pointed out the hypocrisy of the violence over a perceived insult for a cartoon and over a quote by the pop--yet these islamics press us for more demands in the name of religious tolerance??? What a joke!

Keep kicking the liars' butts Robert! We LOVE you for standing and telling the truth.

Posted by: BB at November 21, 2006 10:28 AM

Great job, Robert. What's getting tiresome is hearing these Muslim apologists fumble and bumble as you present the facts in a calm, clear and concise fashion. They resort to silly accusations and outright lies instead of engaging in a meaningful debate.

And how could they engage in a meaningful debate? Islam speaks for itself, as do all these despicable actions done by Muslims in Allah's and The Prophet's name. They would have to face Islam's fundamental intolerance of anything outside the cult and that's just not going to happen. So called moderate Muslims are nothing more than apologists for Islam. Frankly, I don't care anymore what they think.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at November 21, 2006 10:29 AM

Dammit! Just when the segment was getting good they had to cut everyone off. Why, oh why, can't we see SOMEBODY actually DEBATE Robert! I want to see one of these knowledgeable, moderate muslims get their rug pulled out from under them with real, intellectual debate. That segment was little more than finger pointing and mudslinging. She was a fool to think she could rebutt Robert's points on a five minute segment like that. Everyone knows, who takes the time to read, that Islam is a farce and a sham. The only ones who don't know are muslims themselves unless, that is, they actually READ the Koran and hadith for themselves in an objective manner. I am so damn sick of this religion!

Posted by: IronHammer at November 21, 2006 10:38 AM

Mr. Spencer - I've watched the exchange and I must extend my admiration and congratulations to you sir. You are one righteous dude. A class act.

In my estimation you are the single most dangerous foe of the mo-foes.

Please keep up the good fight. The world will be a better place for your efforts.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 21, 2006 10:41 AM

I watched the "Factor" segment last night. Robert, you were excellent. It seemed to me that Edina became more frustrated toward the end and launched into an attempt to divert attention by claiming that you made statements which I know (as a reader of RS's books) to be clearly false. Taqiya at its worst.

I wonder if these "moderate" spokesmen sit around and brainstorm these fabricated talking points, or if they just spout out these idiotic slurs without thinking about what they are saying.

Posted by: FirePig at November 21, 2006 10:51 AM

Great job, Robert. As others have said the segment was way too short.

I just visited O'Reilly's Fox News site. There's not one word about your segment, just a lot of blather about the O. J. rumpus. Talk about screwed up priorities.

Posted by: USBeast at November 21, 2006 11:00 AM

Robert,

I can't add much to the voices who have already weighed re your most recent OReilly appearance except to say that I admire and respect your comportment in dealing with the deception, evasion and lies of your adversaries.

That said, perhaps one way to deal with the debate about the absence of "moderate Muslims" public renunciation of violence within the Islamic community would be to challenge the media to create and publish a comprehensive comparison of Muslim reaction to events vs non-Muslim responses to like events. Done responsibly, this might put to rest the myth of so-called "moderate Mulims jumping up and down" to renounce the use of violence by militant Islamists.

OHara

Posted by: OHara at November 21, 2006 11:23 AM

Of course Robert was excellent. He always is. Good job, Robert. It was certainly a stroke of good fate that Laura filled in for O'Reilly and invited you on.

I am of a slightly different opinion of Edina Lekovic than the jist of the thread. It seemed obvious to me that Edina resorted to Taqqiyah several times -- almost as a knee-jerk reaction when Robert kind of stepped on her toes due to the fact that he is considerably well-versed in the underlying maxims of Islam.

Her blurting out that the Qur'an does not say what it says and that Robert wants Muslims "driven into the sea" was a direct appeal to non-Muslim apologists for Islam (found amongst the Postmodernists -- the Karen Armstrong fans, etc.). Even the apologists will admit that jihad (in spite of their favorite canard that it is an inner struggle) is violent warfare in the "defense" of Islam. So, the "logic" goes something like this, if a truthful erudite argument like the one Robert puts forward can be demonized to be aggressive toward Islam, then Muslims are ultimately justified in violence since they are consequently "under seige."

In essence, Edina abandoned debating with Robert and set out to polarize the half-informed populace. Thus, she was engaged in the commission of dissembling.

Posted by: ted at November 21, 2006 11:28 AM

Why Roberto, you glib daug! It was the first time I had to see you or hear you speak. Well done!

There is only a couple of things that saddened me about it though. First, I'm sorry that O'Rielly himself wasn't the one there,(because yes, I think Ingram was soft on ol' Edina there, in her search for "moderate Muslims"). Secondly, and work with me on this, Edina's handlers thought this one through very shrewdly. If RS eats her lunch (as they feared he would, then this just proves that women,(especially Muslim women),
are stupid and half as smart as men.

Tabari I:280 “Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of the world menstruate and are stupid.”

Their logic is that had RS faced a man of God,(Muslim), this would not have happened. Do not go to that place of logic that says RS would have eaten a male Muslim's lunch too. They know this and that's why we didn't see the likes of I. Hooper.

By the way, a search of Google with the arguments:
"hate speech"+"drive Mulsims"+sea returns, ready for this, 16 hits. Not a single one combining the three concepts.
Conversely, "hate speech"+"drive Israel"+sea returns: 306, most of the in the pattern of “Drive Israel into the sea”.

I am still waiting for the Nat. Geographic channel or Discovery Times to run a program called "What the Qur'an Really Says". They do them all the time on the Bible and the Torah. What's the matter, can't the Qur'an and the Sunnah stand up to the same spotlight?

Shout outs to Duggy! Welcome dude! Educate yourself first, then start on those you know. There are only two houses, and yours is the House of War(Dar al-Harb). You are harbis, a denizen of the Dar al-harb. Read much, and speak only from knowledge.
Shalom,
Theosebes

Posted by: Theosebes at November 21, 2006 11:30 AM

Lekovic failed to show common courtesy to even the News show host and kept talking over her. As for Lekovic saying that moderate muslims arent hard to find...realllllllllllllly? Even the moderate head of the Canadian muslim council is scared to death (still getting death threats) to go on the radio and the ones who are not moderate of course are the problem. So moderates are VERY hard to find.
But thats not even the MAIN reason:
Muslim
moderates know what the hadith and quran says. If they dont fight they will have to get into paradise (if they can) by the sliding scale system however they may NOT oppose the more ambitious actions of those muslims who do jihad to get to paradise (its guranteed then) THATS one of the main reasons why they do not speak out, its like you are opposing Muhammed himself.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 11:34 AM

Well done Robert.

A lesson to many who visit your site: yes, it may seem pointless to engage in calm, reasoned dialogue with jihad-supporting spin-meisters like Lekovic who aim to cloud, cloak, twist and otherwise obscure clear sense. Nevertheless it is only this sort of dialogue that will make any headway. You will not convince the likes of Lekovic this way, but you will make it clear that their arguments are vacuous, for all who bother to hear.

And you thereby earn to right to finish making your point. Spencer has a whole arsenal of excellent, well-documented facts and arguments to make his case. It would be sheer idiocy to resort to lies, distortions or spin, all of which would compromise his message.

I have heard it said that studies of family violence indicate that married people of low IQ tend not to have arguments. Instead, they hit. When you are unable to engage at the level of reasonable, collegial discourse, violence, slander and verbal abuse are one's main recourse.

But on a level playing field the meaning of such vitriol is clear: like in a game of "blink", the one to resort to such tactics is essentially to concede defeat. By this measure, Lekovic conceded defeat at least twice in this brief engagement.

Unfortunately, many who comment on your site find it hard to achieve this sort of restraint. They think that potty-mouthing muslims or muslim apologists will somehow reinforce their point. Folks, you may find this has some sort of cathartic effect, but it does not serve to advance what Robert is trying to accomplish. We need more examples of those who do not lower themselves to tit-for-tat abuse contests. Save it for the bathroom walls.

Why engage in respectful dialogue with those you find hard to respect? Because this, as much as any other value, lies at the core of what the west must not surrender to the Islamists: Voltaire's dictum: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" (actually incorrectly attributed to him. Whatever). By lowering yourself to their level, you unwittingly concede one of our most valuable assets: civilized discourse over clashing values.

Thank you Robert for providing a better model. (And also to the many great contributors here who also know better than to become mirror-image jihadists, tactically indistinguishable from their enemies.)

In the meantime, while I'm quoting Voltaire, here is a genuine one that seems appropriate:

But that a camel-merchant should stir up insurrection in his village; that in league with some miserable followers he persuades them that he talks with the angel Gabriel; that he boasts of having been carried to heaven, where he received in part this unintelligible book, each page of which makes common sense shudder; that, to pay homage to this book, he delivers his country to iron and flame; that he cuts the throats of fathers and kidnaps daughters; that he gives to the defeated the choice of his religion or death: this is assuredly nothing any man can excuse, at least if he was not born a Turk, or if superstition has not extinguished all natural light in him.

Posted by: Archimedes2 at November 21, 2006 12:46 PM

If HotAir's video does not work, the mirror is here:
http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/RS112006.php

Posted by: Terror-Free Oil at November 21, 2006 10:22 PM

Someone please tell Edina that members of the
public contribute to this site and not every
word is the Watches.
Tell her to repeat it to herself 5 times a day
while banging her head on the floor...it might
sink in !
While Hezbollah were lobbing rockets into Israel
there were a few letters saying that Israel should
bulldoze Hezbollah into the sea.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 22, 2006 3:14 AM

I was intrigued by Theosebes' and greatcometof1577's google searches so I tried my own. For the record the joint terms

"muslims into the sea" and "spencer"

a couple of hours ago registered only one hit: a page on LGF in which the terms appeared in different items. but a minute ago I repeated the search and got 58 of them, basically all sites that are discussing this video. So far, most just say that Lekovic is either an idiot or making up stories to attempt to go on the offensive.

So let's survey the whole Web and see who's talking about driving who into the sea:

"muslims into the sea" by itself gets 536 hits. Congratulations, Robert, without saying a single offensive word you've rocketed in a couple of hours into "being responsible for" about 10 percent of this horrible threat against islam, worldwide.

ON THE OTHER HAND...

"Israel into the sea" gets 30,100 hits

and the winner is ...

"Jews into the sea", which gets 61,400 hits ... and it's not even working up a sweat.

"Christians into the sea" and "christianity into the sea", unfortunately, only get a paltry 215 hits. Maybe it's a sign that people think we're already at sea? Of these, I noticed a number coming from gay rights people ... what's up with that?

Posted by: Archimedes2 at November 22, 2006 3:21 PM