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It seems as if the "suspicious behavior" on the Minneapolis flight from which six Muslims, who turn out to be imams, were removed consisted of the imams' evening prayers. So Shahin says "he was 'humiliated' and never felt so bad in his life. He said 'it's terrible' to put six scholars in handcuffs."
Indeed. It is terrible. It is terrible to have to do so. It is terrible that these and other scholars have allowed those who commit violence in the name of their religion to do so unimpeded and unchallenged. It is terrible that these and other Islamic scholars have responded only with vilification when asked about the teachings of their faith that promote violence, instead of with honest dialogue and attempts to reform those teachings. It is terrible that they have thereby allowed their religion to become so associated with violence that American citizens on an airplane become alarmed at the sight of Islamic prayer.
It is terrible. But it is completely understandable. And the onus is not on the other passengers and the air marshals or whoever took them off the plane. It is on Muslim spokesmen such as Edina Lekovic, who deny and obfuscate when questioned about Islamic terrorism, instead of discussing it honestly.
An update to this story from AP, with thanks to Theseus:
MINNEAPOLIS -- Six Muslim imams were removed from a US Airways flight on Monday night in Minneapolis after several of them got up for evening prayers.The imams were returning to Phoenix after attending a conference in Minneapolis of the North American Imams Federation. The president of the group, Omar Shahin, of Phoenix, was among the imams removed from the plane.
Shahin said he was "humiliated" and never felt so bad in his life. He said "it's terrible" to put six scholars in handcuffs.
Three of the imams had gotten up to say their normal evening prayers, Shahin said. A passenger who was concerned passed a note to a flight attendant. An airline spokeswoman said police were called after the men refused to leave the plane.
Posted by Robert at November 21, 2006 7:58 AM
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Yet another Muslim attempt to force their ways upon us with total disrespect for those who are non Muslim. The Muslims know they are creating fear. Muslims thrive on fear and in fact, enjoy it.
Maybe be can instill a little fear into them by putting them in handcuffs and arresting them everytime they create disturbances by their disturbing chants and disgusting attire.
The Muslims are gearing up for large scale civil disobedience and we should be prepared.
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at November 21, 2006 8:21 AM
Exactly....civil disobedience.
This incident was planned for. Given the situation in the world, there were a number of things they could have done to let the airline staff know what was going on. They did this intentionally to cause exactly what happened so they could put on the "I'm humiliated" thing. They could have prayed silently but chose to make a scene to get the desired victimization result. If their prayer was so important why didn't they arrange flight times to accomodate that. If they think people don't know what they did....set up a victimization event...they better think again...we are more educated now.
Posted by: Abby at November 21, 2006 8:26 AM
it seems to me that these imam "scholars" revealed much of their heart and utter contempt for our laws and way of life when they refused an order to leave the plane. I believe that our government needs to do a thorough rethink of how we apply our sedition laws and vigorously enforce them against this very obvious threat to our country.
Posted by: jimcort at November 21, 2006 8:26 AM
I believe CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper said that the fact that the other people on the plane didn't really understand the concept of evening prayer showed that we as a country still have a long way to go.
Of course the opposite is actually true - the fact that some or all of the imams decided to pray in unison in Arabic on an American airplane at any point after 2001 shows how far American muslims have to go.
You would hope that out of respect, they would not pray out loud on the plane. If they indicate that Islam demands it, then you would think out of respect they would not schedule a flight during that window of time in which prayer was demanded. This really does come down to respect, the respect that is seemingly no longer demanded of, and no longer accorded by media-protected identity groups.
So actually I think they knew exactly what was going to happen. They knew they were going to get tossed off the plane, which gives them, CAIR, and everyone else an opportunity to show us that we're still bigots. It's amazing that a minority in this country can so manipulate the narrative about what happened here, turning a pre-meditated publicity stunt into a bit of mulitculti grandstanding intended to invoke reflexive western guilt.
Where is our civilizational confidence?
Posted by: Laserjock at November 21, 2006 8:29 AM
The Caliphate of Minnesota's paper (Star Tribune)
has this story on its website. Somehow, I cannot find it in the newspaper itself. This is why I quit getting news off TV and especially in the "newspaper" here- most outlets here lean one way. (Hint: it's not the right way).
The Red Star is a joke anyway-when the Cleveland Indians played the Atlanta Braves in the 1995 World Series the paper ommitted the team names because it was "insensitive" to use them. Eleven years later things haven't changed one bit. I might peek at it now and then to see how much swooning over Keith Ellison it ends up doing.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 8:30 AM
This circus was a setup! I reproduce here my comment from an earlier thread. Note that the holy imams were chanting "Allah, Allah" along with antiamerican slogans as they walked down the boarding ramp and entered the plane.
Latest info from Minneapolis (KSTP radio):
The Muslims got on the plane chanting "Allah, Allah", speaking Arabic, and chanting antiamerican slogans in English. They refused to obey the instructions of the flight crew and were verbally abusive. Among other things, one demanded a seat-belt extender [a possible weapon] although he had no need for it.
When questioned by the FBI, several of them were found to be carrying multiple IDs.
They have been released (!) but won't be allowed to fly on USAir.
(It is NOT true that they refused to place their goats in the overhead bins.)
P
at November 21, 2006 8:38 AM
Had I seen these guys huddled up before boarding, I wouldn't have got on the plane. Had I not noticed before boarding, the moment I heard them start to pray, I would have DE-boarded. We can't always depend on the airline for our safety, we may have to make a judgement call for ourselves.
I agree with the above posters, if allah ta lala requires a certain prayer time, they should make different arrangements.
How would the muslims like it if we , out of the blue, started screaming terrorist every time THEY boarded? They wouldn't. They'd whine.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 8:40 AM
Long live KQRS-FM! This station is rapping CAIR, Iblis Hooper and these "holy men". This is one of the precious few media outlets in the Caliphate willing to tell it like it is.
I like their sound bite of one of the "holies" saying how they are "leaders". What the hell is he talking about? He isn't MY leader. Like KQRS said "Move back to your own country". I agree.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 8:43 AM
Humility seems to be sadly lacking in Islam. Humiliation, when channeled properly, can lead to humility and the transformation of one's soul. Jesus Christ was the epitome of humility when he walked the earth and he had the wisdom to forgive the woman caught in adultery, forgive St. Peter when he denied Him and forgive the good thief on the cross, when he was undergoing the most embarrassing of humilitations.
Perhaps mercy and compassion are directly linked to humility. Therefore, by simple deduction, we need more humiliation, not less, if we are to purge the world of the viciousness that is Islam. Since these folks blindly listen to and are directed by their spiritual leaders to do dumb things and since they apparently don't have the common sense to know when not to in certain situations, (like whenever they are in our presence,) then humiliating them in public becomes our civic duty.
Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me. (Tongue in cheek.)
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 21, 2006 8:44 AM
No doubt Harry and Nancy are already discussing redeploying federal funds for an after-madrassa program designed to help the imams deal with their humiliation.
Posted by: Malinois at November 21, 2006 8:49 AM
There's that "h" word again.
Posted by: Josephine at November 21, 2006 8:55 AM
Notes to the "holies"-
Want to avoid "humiliation"? The solution is simple. Quit acting like a nut in public, especially when you KNOW it will provoke problems. How hard is that to do?
And if you whine about your right to your religion is being infringed upon keep this in mind "holy men"- ALL of us have lost some rights, thanks to the actions of you and your ilk. Get over it; most of us have.
If you don't like this advice and find it difficult to follow then GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 8:59 AM
Yes, this incident had to be orchestrated. The CAIR organized crime syndicate, or some other Muslim racket, would normally have given these important men money enough to get their own private charter flight. I know a true Iman does not prize material things and would gladly fly coach, but this is a propaganda generating motive.
I don't think alot of people are buying it any more. Still waiting for the RICO case against CAIR .
at November 21, 2006 9:06 AM
No public prayers on planes. Plenty of private praying, even possibly a visible moving of the lips, and a whispering to oneself. Why, I did it myself the other day, as I always do on planes. And I'm a devout unbeliever. But there are no atheists in foxholes, it is said, and one could add as well that there are few on takeoff, and few on landing.
Six men chanting Muslim prayers on a plane, given all that we know, given all that we have experienced, given the threats and the deeds, given Code Orange -- that is quite another matter.
Posted by: Hugh at November 21, 2006 9:09 AM
What do you call six call Christians huddled in an airliner isle for prayer?
Jail birds.
What do you call six call Jews huddled in an airliner isle for prayer?
Jail birds.
What do you call six call immams huddled in an airliner isle for prayer?
Victims of racism and bigotry.
Posted by: witness at November 21, 2006 9:11 AM
As we all know, on a plane we're squished in like sardines. What would have happened if one of the muslim males were touched by an infidel walking back from the bathroom.....and if they were touched by the left hand?
Hmm...
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 9:11 AM
Awwwww poor wittle inmans got their feewing hurt...
Return your trays to their upright and locked position ......
There are rules when flying and no one is exempt no matter what race or religion. With what has happened in the airline industry lately, people are more aware and watchful. Being a muzzie doesn't give you special consideration.
I was sitting next to a muzzie on a flight shortly after 9-11, he was sitting there reading his koran and chanting and swaying back and forth. I had already made my mind up that if he made a move toward the isle, I was going to pin his sorry ass in his seat and no let him up. The guy across the isle from me was watching him closly as well.
You know the old saying, smells like a turd, looks like a turd, fells like a turd, then it must be a turd.
Posted by: Supermaxx
at November 21, 2006 9:15 AM
Throw the "scholars" down the well
So my country can be free
Grab them by their big Korans
And we'll have a big parteeee
at November 21, 2006 9:22 AM
Good one Josephine!
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 9:28 AM
That's it. I've had it. I'm turning Muslim so I can act like an idiot in public, have a lobbying group like CAIR support me, claim victimhood and oppression and maybe even collect a fortune by filing a lawsuit or two. Maybe Iblis Hooper was on to something when he converted. I want goodies too. Gimme gimme gimme!
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 9:30 AM
Unfortunately in our world, public, group prayer usually means you want people to think you are a true believer. If you're a true muslim believer you're a hazard to our way of life. You stand opposed to the U.S. Constitution, to our laws and customs and accepted behaviors. So a person being uncomfortable with a group of imams praying publicly does make sense. I could see why a person considers such displays as 'suspicious'. To me, that's an understatement.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 21, 2006 9:31 AM
yeah this is bad...america needs more lessons in multiculturalism...islam will spread in America not by the sword but by preaching. Islam is growing in the USA alhamdu lillah!!!
USA=USALLAH...
at November 21, 2006 9:34 AM
from the article:
"t seems as if the "suspicious behavior" on the Minneapolis flight from which six Muslims, who turn out to be imams, were removed consisted of the imams' EVENING PRAYERS..."
So I am assuming this is where they drop to their faces on mats with butts in the air. The thing with that is they do this EVERYWHERE showing NO COURTESY to others around them.
One of my friends called over the phone a few days ago because the pool hall he uses downtown to watch some sports (they have all the US sports channels) and shoot a little play has recently seen some devout younger muslims come in. Guess what some of them were doing in the coner by the vending machines near the garbage cans and washroom at the far end of the pool hall? You got it: prayer on their faces with their butts in the air RIGHT THERE.
My friend disgusted that they would invade this area (a private pool hall) quickly went to the owner who was at front office behind their snack bar and hadnt seen it and told him. The owner a kindly old portuguese guy and a Canadian veteren of Korea (who it turns out also knew alot of history of the muslims taking over southern portugal hundreds of years ago) went out there and He requested FOUR TIMES to kindly to stop it without telling them to leave (ie if they wanted to play pool) but the praying butts ignored him so....WITH GREAT ANGER threw them out grabbing them by the necks one by one. Other muslims around the praying ones where shouting "bigot!" and some expletives. He didnt care he threw them out saying: "this is a private business not a dirty mosque." As for those swering he threw them out too because no swering or unruly behaviour is allowed there.
He asked them kindly to stop it without telling them to leave (ie if they wanted to play pool) but the praying butts ignored him so....
The other patrons (a mixture of young Canadians of european descent mostly Italian, Portuguese, Greek, a few Scots and an Irish guy all cheered after the muslims: USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Remember this is in Canada! hahhaha hilarious I love it!
They need to STAY OUT of the way of the nonbrainwashed public. And the old allies need to wake up because there is a war brewing and the enemy is within this time.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 9:37 AM
the regular people 'get it'.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 9:38 AM
I'd be interested to know whether they got up before or after the light went on for seatbelts to be fastened.
Posted by: Karl Pov at November 21, 2006 9:39 AM
I rather doubt that we'll be overtaken by preaching. If I wanted to listen to coughers and hackers, I'd go to a hospital.
I doubt we'll be overtaken by preaching, because we're opening the eyes of the masses to this HORRIBLE and BARBARIC cult. And the muslims with their little tantrums and jihads are really helping to open more eyes.
The cult of islam doesn't belong here. Get out of it before it's eats you up and spits you out.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 9:40 AM
Why did they wait until they got on the plane?
Posted by: Mr Ape Pig at November 21, 2006 9:40 AM
There need to be new rules for muslims who expect to be able to fly. But we're too cowardly to stand up and demand it. We don't want to offend muslims because we are PC and put their rights ahead of our own. A few rules I'd like to see, not to punish them, but to protect us.
1. No praying out loud on the plane. Period. The first "allahu akbar" gets you thrown off. There are no exceptions. Clear enough? You may pray silently the same way other adults of different religions do. That way you won't be freaking any of us out.
2. To get on the plane you are going to have all your luggage searched, x-rayed, and you are going to remove your clothing down to your underwear to make sure you aren't wired up with explosives. If you don't like it, take the bus.
3. If you do anything to upset other passengers during the flight you will not be allowed to fly again. We encourage you to be on your best behaviour or we will rescind your privilege to fly in the future.
It isn't anyone's right to fly, and frankly I'm surprised that muslims are not already being scrutinized more than other passengers. This is our weakness, and muslims are exploiting us as much as possible over it.
I can't think of a single reason why we aren't making life a lot more difficult for muslims in the west. The onus is on them to show that they are going to reform their religion or police their own, but sadly, I don't see evidence of that whatsoever. Now these Imams are going to sue the airline, no doubt.
Posted by: Muzzl'em at November 21, 2006 9:44 AM
The existence of the name "North American Imans Association" shows how bad things have become in the U.S.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 21, 2006 9:44 AM
I doubt we'll be overtaken by preaching, because we're opening the eyes of the masses to this HORRIBLE and BARBARIC cult. And the muslims with their little tantrums and jihads are really helping to open more eyes.
Oh no...maybe Islam's message of Pure Monotheism is lost on angry americans but there are many americans who make shahada and it is wonderful to see them Submitting themselves to a religion of life and values. The Quran says that Allah created the heavens and the Earth in Truth and with a purpose. Islam is life affirming. Islam teaches that there is a meaning to life and that there is purpose to life. America holds nothing sacred except rampant hedonism...you cant blame the Muslims americans for wanting to change this. Although I believe it must be done peacefully and this whole notion of the Sword should be spiritualized.
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 9:47 AM
There need to be new rules for muslims who expect to be able to fly.
Posted by: Muzzl'em at November 21, 2006 09:44 AM
I agree. I have but one rule. Give them a one way ticket to the cesspoolian country of their choice.
at November 21, 2006 9:53 AM
The Quran says that Allah created the heavens and the Earth in Truth and with a purpose. Islam is life affirming.......................................................................................
It's too early for taquiya.
Well, when allah made the earth, he/it made it flat.
Islam is NOT life affirming...tell that to the Christian girls who were beheaded.
Tell that to the people in the Twin Towers.
Tell that to Daniel Pearl.
Tell that to Israel.
Tell that to the Jewish women in Seattle.
Tell that to the people killed in London.
Tell that to the people killed in Spain.
Tell that to the people killed in India.
Tell that to the women who are raped by muslim males.
Tell that to the innocent children all over the world who are maimed or killed or had their families assasinated by muslims.
How about you keep telling yourself that, and maybe one day you will wake up and realize atrocities you muslims commit are NOT life affirming.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 9:54 AM
Six Imams in handcuffs is not enough. These 'scholars' are already mentally handcuffed.
If they are smart enough to know how to buy tickets, they are smart enough to know that any unusual behavior on a plane, by anyone, not just muslims or M.E. types, causes concern and possibly action.
They either pre-planned this or were just plain stupid. Either way works, handcuffs were the result.
Nothing I like better than reading about handcuffed Imams, while I have my morning coffee and a old crumbling donut. Starts out the day on a positive note...
at November 21, 2006 9:54 AM
how do they know which way to face for the prayers on a plane?
Posted by: nyone at November 21, 2006 9:55 AM
Indeed. It is terrible. It is terrible to have to do so. It is terrible that these and other scholars have allowed those who commit violence in the name of their religion to do so unimpeded and unchallenged. It is terrible that...
And I'd be terribly interested to see a brief survey of what these 6 poor humiliated victimized Imams have had to say in their khutbahs since they were recruited into the USA to be able to go on the welfare and cash free money checks to mull the holy Islam.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 9:55 AM
"I just love it when a plan comes together." Hannibal Smith, George Papard A-Team.
Now we have a group of people acting suspeciously. At least to one passenger. He is concerned for his safety. He sends a note. The people are removed.
The police now are starting a profile of each individual. And lo and behold, one is carrying multiple ID's. This is not suspicious? Goodness, we have imams now running around with aliases. I guess that we aren't who we say we are. I guess that I'm suspicious. We are now made to wait in long lines to fly commercially for our safety? These are the folks that made us have to do this.Get them off the plane.
I know a lot of people that will not fly with a Muslims.
And so it goes.
Posted by: credit man at November 21, 2006 9:56 AM
freewoman...thank you for that reminder...now let me ask you...do you believe that America is a life affirming country considering it past history of the us of the Atomic Bomb not once but twice? Or how about the Enron scandal..? was that life affirming? or the treatment of Africans during the 1900's or the native peoples...?
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 9:57 AM
i believe that americans need to face the fact that muslims live in this country and begin to treat them as freinds and neighbors...i live peacfully with my neighbors. I feel uncomfortable when i see an american white male drive up in his SUV or Audi, his hair plastered with gel, a listening device in his ear and i cant help but think that this guy is probably some corporate moron...but you dont see me throwing him off of planes and such even though he makes me uncomfortable in his arrogance...
these muslims need to be left alone to live inpeace with nature and their fellow humas and not be singled out when practicing their faith
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:02 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN-
Are you proud of those racists at the pool hall?
I hope so because I am.
I say racists because even though Islam is not a race its adherents act like they are the master race. If they can act like a race then we can call them one. This would make those who don't like the master race racists.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 10:02 AM
Don't EVEN start with the slavery issue. Those things you mentioned were NOT SANCTIONED BY RELIGION.
You need to do yourself a favor and READ some history. You are apparently not illiterate. You have a mental block.
Read some history, read Robert's books, think about what your co-cultists are doing and then get back to us.
If you are in America NOW, do yourself and US a favor, and get out as fast as your little feet will take you. If you hate us, leave. We don't want you here if you're not happy.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 10:03 AM
Jihad,
You need to practice your tu quoque and moral equivolence more. Enron, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, buying the slaves you provided...puhleeeze.
"America holds nothing sacred except rampant hedonism...you cant blame the Muslims americans for wanting to change this."
What is hedonism if it isn't killing people to have celestial sex, or raping infidels, having multiple wives and cutting out their clitori, having sex with prepubescent girls, babies and goats, rampaging and pillaging, destroying historical and religious edifices, monuments, and art, enslaving and forcefully converting peaceful populations to your monstrous mind bent?
You are a bunch of freaks. Look in the mirror.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 10:04 AM
Re: "It is terrible that they have thereby allowed their religion to become so associated with violence that American citizens on an airplane become alarmed at the sight of Islamic prayer".-Robert
It is so true.
at November 21, 2006 10:04 AM
and i think the following can be applied the enlightened west too...
"What is hedonism if it isn't killing people to have celestial sex, or raping infidels, having multiple wives and cutting out their clitori, having sex with prepubescent girls, babies and goats, rampaging and pillaging, destroying historical and religious edifices, monuments, and art, enslaving and forcefully converting peaceful populations to your monstrous mind bent?"
pretty much all empires have done this to the Other...leave your hate behind you...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:08 AM
...islam will spread in America not by the sword but by preaching. Islam is growing in the USA alhamdu lillah!!!
USA=USALLAH...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 09:34 AM
i believe that americans need to face the fact that muslims live in this country and begin to treat them as freinds and neighbors...i live peacfully with my neighbors.
these muslims need to be left alone to live inpeace with nature and their fellow humas and not be singled out when practicing their faith
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:02 AM
Bullsh_t alert. I'm sorry you've already punched your own ticket on that one. Imperialism and peaceful coexistence are mutually exclusive.
at November 21, 2006 10:10 AM
and so what? only America should have Nukes?
No way...i dont trust American with nukes because if you dont let america into your country in order for them to make a profit or you try to stop them from taking over the economies of your country than watch out! they have the bomb an dyou dont...Iran needs nukes in order to protect themselves...i am sorry but this is the sad truth
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:10 AM
pretty much all empires have done this to the Other...leave your hate behind you...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:08 AM
That's the key dumbass, HAVE DONE.
Islam is STILL doing it.
at November 21, 2006 10:11 AM
The troll forgets that his religion/cult, SANCTIONS doing atrocities.
I am offended by having to fly with people of the faith of killers....CEO's don't bother me. I also hate being around these guys who don't use deodorant. I'm also offended by people who want to kill me and mine. We just want to live in peace...unlike muslims who want to disrupt this peace.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 10:11 AM
That's the key dumbass, HAVE DONE
Prime example of hatred and intolerance...he must revert to name calling...
at November 21, 2006 10:12 AM
You're right. We will use nukes on imperialistic aggressors at some point.
Better start playing nice in your sandbox.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 10:12 AM
How did these Imams know which direction was East. Depending on the bankk of the plane they might have been facing Washington instead of Mecca!!
And aren't they supposed to kneel & bow their heads to some kind of mat. How is there room for all of that in the aisle?
Dazed and confused
Posted by: poonjob at November 21, 2006 10:13 AM
"That's the key dumbass, HAVE DONE
Prime example of hatred and intolerance...he must revert to name calling..."
How elevated of you. Care to address the assertion, Islam STILL does these things?
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 10:14 AM
use the nukes...you play by a double standard...america can have them but you cant...this contradiction cant last for ever in a rational mind...i am sorry but i hear only hatred and bigotry where enlightened discussion should abound...
i am transparent...i pull no punches i want to see american become Muslim but a moderate Muslim country...in Inshallah it will happen...unless the hatemongers within it try to impede the Oter's right to practice their faith...
at November 21, 2006 10:15 AM
Iran needs nukes in order to protect themselves...i am sorry but this is the sad truth
Yes, Israel makes daily announcements threatening to wipe out Iran.
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 10:16 AM
Only the US should have nukes. And maybe some other Infidel countries. But if any Islamic country should get nukes, it should only be by aerial delivery.
Iran wants nukes? Give it to them (no, I don't have that T-shirt). It's way overdue w/ Fuckistan.
Jihadlove
Love to see you go down in Jihad and end up with your 72 raisins.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 21, 2006 10:16 AM
"americans need to face the fact that muslims live in this country and begin to treat them as freinds and neighbors..i live peacfully with my neighbors."
-- from a posting above by a Muslim living in this country
Yes, we are "facing that fact" and beginning, in light of what we now know about the tenets of Islam, about the contents of Qur'an and Hadith and the example of Muhammad, uswa hasana, al-insan al-kamil, to decide what we shall do with that "fact" we "face" -- whether, that is, to continue to farcically endure that fact, and leave ourselves in a state of permanent and growing danger, or to take the kinds of actions that since the beginning of time states and peoples have taken to protect themselves. And even the famously tolerant state of Czechoslovakia, in 1946, found itself undertaking a modest act for its own future security, and for the well-being of its citizens, that no one then, and no one save for some German revanchistes since, has ever found moral fault with: the Benes Decree, by which 3 million ethnic Germans were expelled for the behavior of not all, but many of them, before and during the world war.
Posted by: Hugh at November 21, 2006 10:16 AM
Mr. Transparent,
Answer the assertion, Islam STILL does and SANCTIONS those atrocities.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 10:16 AM
i am transparent...i pull no punches i want to see american become Muslim but a moderate Muslim country...in Inshallah it will happen...unless the hatemongers within it try to impede the Oter's right to practice their faith...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:15 AM
Quite hilarious. I'd like to be king of Mars. Guess what's more likely to happen?
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 10:17 AM
"The goal is make such a huge spectacle of the incident (get C.A.I.R. and everyone else involved) and make it sound like they were the most innocent of little lambs and those crew members were just being soooo islamophobic." - from above post
Group Calls for Probe After 6 Imams Were Pulled From Flight (Wanna hazard a guess as to which group?)
Tuesday, November 21, 2006
MINNEAPOLIS — A leading Islamic advocacy group called for an investigation after six imams were removed from a US Airways flight and detained, due to what the group suspected was persistent "fear and prejudice" against Muslims. [...] Public prayer is not a threat to safety or security and should not be viewed as suspicious or criminal activity .....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230939,00.html
at November 21, 2006 10:18 AM
How elevated of you. Care to address the assertion, Islam STILL does these things.
Islam does not do these things...how can the Word Submission do anything it is a word...it is a fringe element within Islam that does it...those that have taken a literal intrpretation have done it...i dont do these things...America destroys in a sneaky way by destroying cultures under the name of Capitalism and free markets...there is only freedom in america to go anywhere you want in the world under the doctrine of faith called the Manifest Destiny and rape and pillage with playstasions and Macdonalds...
at November 21, 2006 10:21 AM
jihadlove is right on one thing-the US is the cause of trouble in the world today. It could easily solve the Islamaniac problem by wiping out as many jihadist countries as possible but it stupidly refuses to do so. Why must the US keep restraining itself and allowing these crappy countries to keep on spewing their filth everywhere?
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 10:21 AM
Hugyou sound educated...
tell me, how many references are there in the Hadith to these assertions that Muslims must kill the infidel? how many assertions are as compared to those of belief in Allah and doing works of goodness that are also mentioned in the Quran..?are there more or less...?
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:23 AM
America destroys in a sneaky way by destroying cultures under the name of Capitalism and free markets...there is only freedom in america to go anywhere you want in the world under the doctrine of faith called the Manifest Destiny and rape and pillage with playstasions and Macdonalds...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:21 AM
Yeah, that's why Muslims eat at Mc Donalds in Australia after the meat is Islamically "blessed".
Those awful Americans must be shoving them all in there at gunpoint.
at November 21, 2006 10:24 AM
"Humility seems to be sadly lacking in Islam. Humiliation, when channeled properly, can lead to humility and the transformation of one's soul. Jesus Christ was the epitome of humility when he walked the earth and he had the wisdom to forgive the woman caught in adultery, forgive St. Peter when he denied Him and forgive the good thief on the cross, when he was undergoing the most embarrassing of humilitations." Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
Humility and politeness are civilizational things, respect for the other, and largely a Christian derived morality. Islamists are non-Christian, because their humility is false. Rather it is a kowtowing false humility of bowing and scraping out of fear, fear of Allah, fear of hell, fear of punishment, fear of their mullahs, fear of amputation, fear of stoning, fear of beheading, fear of their violent mobs, just fear fear fear. That is so un-Christian, where our humility is from strength rather than fear. Islamics, imams or the common ahmeds, do not understand our civilization's sense of humility. Their demonstration of such disrespectful anti-social behavior, in a sensitive space such as the enclosed cabin of an aircraft, shows how utterly incapable they are of polite humility and sensitivity to other people, especially in an age of Islamic terrorism. This is an example of their supremacist attitude towards the infidels among whom they chose to live, which shows their open bigotry towards the rest of us. They are un-Christian in their lack of humility because their prophet told them to be. As obedient slaves of Allah, their false humility is their best foot forward while they scrape and bow to that god of fear in their prophet's war cult.
Airlines should post prominently rules that loud prayer aboard public aircraft are prohibited. This is more than a safety issue against terrorism, but one of mutual respect for all aboard the aircraft in civilized society. They want to pray on the airplane, fine, but they fly ONLY on their own Muslim aircraft, and away from the flying public.
Posted by: Battle_of_Tours at November 21, 2006 10:24 AM
tothe rest of you...i prefer to engage in conversations with Hugh...he seems to be one of the more intelligent amongst you...also Battle of Tours...please respect this if you call yourselves civilized...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:27 AM
How does one rape with a playstation anyway? I suppose if Mo were around he would figure out a way to make even that possible. And justifiable.
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 10:27 AM
tothe rest of you...i prefer to engage in conversations with Hugh...he seems to be one of the more intelligent amongst you...also Battle of Tours...please respect this if you call yourselves civilized...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 10:27 AM
Yes master. Perhaps you can email him. No doubt he will cut you to shreds.
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 10:29 AM
Battle_of_Tours already did cut him to shreds, so did Hugh. He's just too stupid to recognize it.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at November 21, 2006 10:31 AM
Jihadlove: "pretty much all empires have done this to the Other...leave your hate behind you..."
Dear Mr troll:
So Islam in an empire, not a religion. Yes, empires have done some of those things (not all of them, except for Islam), because empires are run by some kind of government, and all governments us force or the threat of it to enforce their edicts. I dont think this is hedonism, because a government is not capable of jokes or joyous behavior. To equate hedonism to acts of sheer brutality is perverse.
Only muslims and the mentally fragmented get perverse joy from the blood of others. 'You love life, we love death', is about right.
Muslims are the most intense, irrational haters on Earth, because Allah makes it clear in his book and from the mouth of his Prophet, what/who he hates, and muslims are obligated to emulate their god.
If you add up perverse joy from the blood of others, irrational hate, a love of death, and Allah, you have a muslim. An agent of the Islamic empire...
at November 21, 2006 10:32 AM
I think the airline was fully justified in removing these "religious rabble-rousers"! But I think we've all forgotten one salient point. Rarely (if ever) do the imams volunteer to die for their cause, they brainwash OTHERS to die for their cause. That's what the radical madrassas and mosques are for. And yes, this was a staged event to attack our common-sense rules and claim victimhood.
Posted by: NamFrank at November 21, 2006 10:33 AM
Did jihadlove leave us? What a pity. I wanted to hear more about how the US destroys the world with its evil. However, I was disappointed in that Israel wasn't even honorably mentioned for plotting its world takeover.
Perhaps he was sufficiently "humiliated"?
at November 21, 2006 10:47 AM
People like Jihad and the other muzlos have no argument here. They sprew the same thing over and over. They get rebuked here and still repeat the same crap.
Come on guys ! Have any of you read your Koran ?? Do you really know what it says ?? If you haven't read it then shut up and get out of here. When you read it, then come back and the people on the forum can discuss it with you openly and honestly.
Don't do your cut and past crap, we see through you.
Posted by: Supermaxx at November 21, 2006 10:48 AM
Here's a thought.
Americans in general do not want to be loosers. There is some humiliation in it. Likewise they don't want to be victims.
One of the big discouragement to Americans becoming followers of Islam is that they perceive Islam idolizing victimhood. Thus you have the average loosers wanting to be Muslims.
Americans can see that and don't want to become classified as such.
Posted by: credit man at November 21, 2006 10:48 AM
Hugyou sound educated...
tell me, how many references are there in the Hadith to these assertions that Muslims must kill the infidel? how many assertions are as compared to those of belief in Allah and doing works of goodness that are also mentioned in the Quran..?are there more or less...?
The answer is very simple Jihadlove, it doesnt matter if there are more verses of goodness vs the violent supremacist ones, it comes down to concept of abrogation.
The peaceful Meccan verses are abrogated by the later verses as Mohammed expanded to Medina. Sura 9 the verse of the sword is considered to be one of the last chapters of the koran and so abrogates all the peace and love you think exists towards others who do not wish to follow your cruel cult.
Show us that abrogation doesnt exist and we might believe the Islam is a religion of peace sadly I know you will not be able to.
at November 21, 2006 10:56 AM
QUOTE:
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
Send us the address of the pool hall, maybe some of us could send the owner Christmas cards and Congrats!!!!
Posted by: americaningermany
Its not a place I like to spend my free time at though my friend is there alot its at the other end of the city. Ill email him to send me the postal address and then email it to you americaningermany and/or post it on here.
ISLAMSFORLOSERS yeah the guys were acting 'racists' because many muslims act like they are a superior race that is so true! One muslim guy at the university upon hearing of young muslims rape Swedish girls in sweden said: "yeah because they are nt muslim they are not worth much." Its a TOTAL diabolical worldview.
NO other religion in the world sees nonbelievers like that. In Chrisitan bible it says "treat others as you want them to treat you" and "offer prayer for ALL PEOPLE". In Judaism, Buddhism etc its similar. In Islam? Well you know the answer to that right out of the Quran and Hadith!
I was surprised when my friend told me they were cheering "USA!" I think there is a general feeling of sympathy and fellowship growing among regular folks regarding the US and the whole muslim thing. Especially since Europe is starting to go through some rough times with these Islamofascists.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 11:00 AM
Islam in an empire, not a religion..
Islam is a spiritual path that recognizes only One Supreme being. It further teaches that if one believes and Does Good then they will be rewarded...if one believes and does bad than they will suffer their own reward. If one does not believe and does good their acts are beneficial too but from the perspective of the Quran they simply have denied the natural submission found in creation. All things in nature submit to a greater force that controls but they do so out of their wiring so to speak. The human is given guidance to understand the nature of submiting to God. When we submit, we act in universal harmony with the universal creator...this was the message of Allah in the Tora and in the injeel...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:03 AM
Answer my post Jihadlove, other wise you are here just spouting Taqiya and we can smell it from a mile away.
Show us that the peaceful verses are not abrogated by Sura 9.
Come on we are waiting.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:06 AM
KM my friend...(i can call you that can I?)..sorry i am at work so i cant read every single post...but please refresh my memory about your above post and the sura of abrogation...what do you think it means?
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:08 AM
The human is given guidance to understand the nature of submiting to God. When we submit, we act in universal harmony with the universal creator.
I dont call the following living in harmony.
[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, you may kill the unbelivers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:13 AM
You can call me what you like Jihadwatch I dont have Islamic sensibilities, here is my post again.
Hugyou sound educated...
tell me, how many references are there in the Hadith to these assertions that Muslims must kill the infidel? how many assertions are as compared to those of belief in Allah and doing works of goodness that are also mentioned in the Quran..?are there more or less...?
The answer is very simple Jihadlove, it doesnt matter if there are more verses of goodness vs the violent supremacist ones, it comes down to concept of abrogation.
The peaceful Meccan verses are abrogated by the later verses as Mohammed expanded to Medina. Sura 9 the verse of the sword is considered to be one of the last chapters of the koran and so abrogates all the peace and love you think exists towards others who do not wish to follow your cruel cult.
Show us that abrogation doesnt exist and we might believe the Islam is a religion of peace sadly I know you will not be able to.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:14 AM
[9:5] Once the Sacred Months are past, you may kill the unbelivers when you encounter them, punish them, and resist every move they make. If they repent and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), you shall let them go. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
[9:29] You shall fight back against those who do not believe in GOD, nor in the Last Day, nor do they prohibit what GOD and His messenger have prohibited, nor do they abide by the religion of truth - among those who received the scripture - until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly.
Basically KM i am not a literalist...to me sucf references refer to spiritual debates...as in ver 9:29, to fight back is to engage in spirited debate to arrive at Truth...Do you believe in Absolute Truth?
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:15 AM
Jihadlove,
Which side do your scales tilt ?
Isn't it a common fight with pislam that you have to be 51% good to make it to your heaven ? Do you or any mooshead know what side your scales are tilting ?? For every bad thing you have to do a good thing or your doomed ?
Go here and listen to former moosies talk about islam. Just got there with an open mind and listen.
http://www.johnankerberg.com/TV/now_playing_IPR11.htm
Posted by: Supermaxx at November 21, 2006 11:18 AM
I meant Jihadlove in the above post but here is a definition of abrogation for you.
The Muslim doctrine of abrogation is based on four verses of the Koran {1}, according to which
1a If Mohammed forgets a verse, God will bring a similar verse.
In other words, that verses have been added on the understanding that Mohammed had forgotten them.
2 God deletes or confirms what He will.
In other words, that verses have been deleted.
3God (sometimes) substitutes one verse for another.
If God cancels a verse, God will bring a better verse.
In other words, that some verses have been replaced by other ones.
4 God abrogates (cancels or withdraws) verses thrown in by Satan.
In other words, that some verses were cancelled.
In other words,Verses have been added on the understanding that Mohammed had forgotten them.
Verses have been deleted.
Some verses have been replaced by other ones.
Some verses were cancelled.
So that
some verses have been added,
some verses were replaced by other verses, and
some verses were deleted.
Sura 9 abrogates all the other verses, as muslim this is your final commandment. You are commanded by God to slay the unbeliver. That makes you pretty evil in both mine and many others eyes.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:21 AM
Heaven or Paradise is only in the Hands of the Controler of the Worlds...Allah...we are responsible for EVERY action that we do...sort of like a Karma...if our actions are good and praisworthy, we may be rewarded with a vision of Bliss...if we live a life of selfishness and hatred, then we will suffer too...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:23 AM
"Islam is a spiritual path that recognizes only One Supreme being. It further teaches that if one believes and Does Good then they will be rewarded...if one believes and does bad than they will suffer their own reward".
Wow. An origianl thought in Islam. Too bad the thought originated with the nefarious Jews.
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 11:24 AM
Basically KM i am not a literalist...to me sucf references refer to spiritual debates...as in ver 9:29, to fight back is to engage in spirited debate to arrive at Truth...Do you believe in Absolute Truth?
Posted by: jihadlove
I commend you for not taking your holy book literally, the problem is Jihadlove that the Koran is considered the uncoruptable word of God and therefore should be understood and acted out literally.
That is the reason that so many of your co-religionists are such savages. Why dont you go to Mecca and tell them to not take the Koran literally. And when you do go could you please arrange send me the videotape of your beheading in chop-chop square so I can show other Muslim non literalists the consequences of your blasphemy.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:26 AM
thank you for your posts my brothers and sisters...
"You can kill, if you choose to, it's okay, you can punish them (guess that means torture) and it's okay, you can defy every law and it's okay."
No this is not right to do these things...the Quran says that all of nature is a sign that points us to Allah and Allah's control over things...if we indiscriminatly kill and destory we are destroying the very signs that are supposed to lead us to Allah...it is not correct to state that every muslim believes in Islam as a means to kill or conquer the world...I am a muslims yes..
thanks KM for the aBROGATION POST...I WILL LOOK INTO
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:27 AM
If the murderous actions of "a few" Muslims are the result of a misinterpretation of Islam then it is incumbent upon all Muslims to correct them, one way or another. Once such correction is administered then and only then can the rest of the world finally believe that Islam is indeed peaceful. We infidels have waited for 1400 years for this to happen. And we are still waiting today. How much longer must we wait?
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 11:31 AM
Besides Jihadlove are you an Immam or Mufti do you have the power to tell other Muslims how to interpret the Koran.
The facts are against you I am afraid and for you to ignore the doctrinal support with in the Koran and the Hadith that state that Jihad is Holy war and violent struggle just smacks of ignorance and again shows you are here spreading Taqiya.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 11:31 AM
thank you KM my Friend for that post about the beheading...it actually made me laugh alittle. I agree that there is a horrific literalism in Islam and my religion does need a reformation...I know better than to go to Mekka and say that...it is unfortunate and sad...
Posted by: jihadlove at November 21, 2006 11:31 AM
it was really offending for westerns that six imam was praying who have migrated to west to live a better life (duhhhhhhh). I am thankful to my heart and soul who decided to leave the USA and live a respectable life the way I WANT, FREEDOM. where no one says me why am i muslim and why am i praying or i have different color. I am breathing, less money but with great respect what a feeling. All muslims who r reading this should leave west and enjoy freedom in their own country. I dont know why muslims are happy in west. they are taping your phones, they dont give you jobs, yeh they give u jobs to clean their shits. what a disgraceful life as a muslim in west. if u have integrity leave the west.
Imams should leave the west if they really wana live the way they want. If you are in west unfortunately you will have to follow their laws, I would say leave that country and live a respectable life. money doesnt matter, i would prefer respect. Like i left USA and sent permanent resident card(green card)to USCIS all muslims should do. Let them live the way they want. let them be naked. let their kids abuse their parents, let them allow to have Gay marriage, let them drink alot, why in the hell these imams are their. these folks have internet let them search if they want to search the truth.
On top of it these imams are praying on aeroplane, damit doesnt make any sense to do that. may be they were just trying to get famous or to get importance.
at November 21, 2006 11:32 AM
eastwest is right on target with his statement. They live the way they want in their world and we live the way we want in our world. This is highly sensible and refreshing to hear from the other side.
Posted by: llorT yzarC diputS pU tuhS at November 21, 2006 11:35 AM
there are movements within Islam that do not accept the Hadith and are Quranic only Muslims...somewhat like a Sola scriptura for Muslims...I think that, given the fact that literalism has caused so much suffering, Islam must renounce this...
By the way I am not trying to decieve any of you by toning down my posts...i mean what i say an di dont believe that i should lie to non-muslims...There is more positivity in the quran than negativity...just as the Jews no longer take litarly the injunction to massacre all men woman and children. likewise islam should not either...
at November 21, 2006 11:36 AM
sorry...but i have to get back to work here...i will continue to read your posts...
Peace to you all...
at November 21, 2006 11:38 AM
eastwest
To bad more can't take your lead and do the same.
Posted by: Supermaxx at November 21, 2006 11:42 AM
americangermany dont worry i am not in ur country and will never be and again like u said somali(racist) I am sure u r white trash, I am Proud to be what I am, first muslim and then pakistani. I dont hate you neither your life style, this is the way u guys are been for centuries so cant be changed, i left usa, it was usa who offered me greencard lottery, yes u r right i wouldnt be able to call myself american. trust me i would recommend you to think and search.Just dont post anycomment if you have no knowledge, also to all americans try to watch different news channels not just CNN or FOX. you guys need to think outside the box
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 11:47 AM
Its ok Americangermany, all i am requesting you is to search more and think outside the box. Newtons 3rd law, every action has a reaction is applicable on human lives too!!! its ok.. u dont offend me.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 11:54 AM
I wish there were more Muslims like eastwest, the sad fact is though that the majority are expansionist dawa spreaders whose sole aim is to force all into Islam.
Learn from nature Muslims there is a place for everything and for Muslims it is in Dar-al-Islam. Leave the West and leave us to our own moral depravity.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 12:05 PM
I agree that there is a horrific literalism in Islam and my religion does need a reformation...
Dont tell it to us Jihadlove we know that and have known it for hundreds of years. Why dont you go back to dar-al-islam and spread your words of wisdom over there. The sad fact is I just dont think you will last very long over there.
Do you not find it ironic that it is infidels who allow you this freedom to speakto thousands of people using kuffa technology.
The hypocrisy of Muslims blows my mind.
at November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
Problem with west specially with americans is that Goverment always plays with them, they scare them and even have set a scale red orange yellow yada yada yada. its a way to control people, these guys dont understand goverment rulers cant rule if dont create issues, the best rule in politics is DIVIDE and RULE, unfortunately media(happened to be jewish) is playing a key role in dividing people. People in midwest and south are not even educated. their even dont other than ham chees in the morning, cheeseburger in afternoon and then chops in evening and ofcourse drinking. they are getting all these(even if they dont work in the form of unemployment) problem with east they are using conterversial issues like veil, prayers for the sake of getting famous. if i go to someone else house i will have to follow his rules if i dont like his rules i should leave and if i impose my rules on him he will kick me out..simple if u dont like their style leave their country
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 12:15 PM
KM, honestly i am living under islamic rules for so long and never had any problems actually i love it, before going to west i was muslim just by name and in west i really found out whats the meaning of being muslim, horrific litercism kindly could u elaborate more??? r u pointing towards jihad??? if it is please tell me the meaning of jihad as well. again as i mentioned we must get out of CNN and FOX philopsphies.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 12:27 PM
People in midwest and south are not even educated. their even dont other than ham chees in the morning, cheeseburger in afternoon and then chops in evening and ofcourse drinking. they are getting all these(even if they dont work in the form of unemployment) ...................................
We Midwesterners may not be educated, but we can spell and can make a sentence. Oh, some of us DO work. We didn't move to the Metroplex just to have the government support us. Some of us even learned other things besides religion.
And you are correct, you don't come into my house and mistreat me or mine. You will be escorted out and you won't like it.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 12:40 PM
freewoman u just gave a proof that u r from midwest kindly scroll up and read the discussion, sorry about mistyping.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 12:42 PM
The imams "humiliation" is the LEAST of anyone's concerns, as security is only doing their JOB.
Posted by: champ at November 21, 2006 12:43 PM
Ahh -- we have a "kook" in our midst -- can anyone guess who it is? Eastwest, do you know who it is?
Posted by: champ at November 21, 2006 12:53 PM
I wish there were more Muslims like eastwest, the sad fact is though that the majority are expansionist dawa spreaders whose sole aim is to force all into Islam.
Learn from nature Muslims there is a place for everything and for Muslims it is in Dar-al-Islam. Leave the West and leave us to our own moral depravity.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 12:05 PM
Amen from the Caliphate of Minnesota (formerly known as the Democratic People's Republic of Minnesota).
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 1:07 PM
eastwest said -
"People in midwest and south are not even educated. their even dont other than ham chees in the morning, cheeseburger in afternoon and then chops in evening and ofcourse drinking. they are getting all these(even if they dont work in the form of unemployment) problem with east they are using conterversial issues like veil, prayers for the sake of getting famous"
What a blanket statement. Where do you come off saying this? You have apparantly never been to the south or midwest or you couldn't say this. There is more Technology in Dallas, Austin and other southern towns than in all of Pakistan or any muzzie country.
What positive thing has the east ever provide to humanity ??
Posted by: Supermaxx at November 21, 2006 1:12 PM
KM, honestly i am living under islamic rules for so long and never had any problems actually..
Of course you dont, thats because you are Muslim, but what happens if you decide not to be a Muslim?
Do you know what happens in Dar-al-Islam should you decide to turn to another faith?
Typical Islamic 1 dimensional thinking, no concept of freedom of conscience. You are a fascist sir plain and simple.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 1:12 PM
So, eastwest, what's your point about Midwesterners and Southerners not being educated and the cheeseburgers, ham and eggs and pork, drinking, naked people???
I totally agree with you, if a person doesn't like the culture get out. It sounds to me like you are inferring your culture in Paki is greater than ours. And you can argue til you're blue in the face and you'd still be breathless and wrong.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 1:19 PM
eastwest why dont you tell us what happens to those in Pakistan who decide to choose another faith.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 1:22 PM
freewoman i am not saying my culture is better than urs or ur culture is better than mine. I am saying i am happy the way i am now and all muslims should leave that country for better, u guys do whatever u wana do....trust me i would be blue if i would be in ur country but guess what I am in my HOMELAND
ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. First class citizen of my own country and follow my own terms doesnt have to be told by people like u how to live.
at November 21, 2006 1:26 PM
km nothing happens, now if they change to get immigration or to get financial benefits. I have dozen christian friends but one thing is for sure that they are 2nd class citizens like muslims in usa
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:29 PM
Why dont you answer my questions eastwest?
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 1:29 PM
Eastwest must be a male. He's a first class citizen there.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 1:32 PM
The name "jihadlove" is an affront.
If this were my website I would ban it on principle.
Posted by: Josephine at November 21, 2006 1:33 PM
i did, if u r referring to death penalty i havent seen any so far as vatican and western countries give them asylem, basically changing religion in pakistan is to get western immigration, easy way to do.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:34 PM
I don't tell you how to live. I just don't want you doing your jihad on me. I also don't like that you kill and dress out dinner in the bathtub with a four year old watching. I also don't like that being of the muslim persuasion, males think they have the right to rape.
You can eat tacos for Sunday lunch for all I care. Just don't shove your cult down my throat or put a knife to it.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 1:36 PM
How are Muslims second class citizens in the USA eastwest, that is obsured.
All peoples regardless of faith are arcorded the same status under the rule of law.
And for you information apostasy from Islam is punishable by death.
For example the case of Abdul Rhaman in Afghanistan. It doesnt bother you that you perpetuate a system that denigrates people just for their beliefs, like I said earlier you are a fascist and there are reason we use the word Islamofascism.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 1:37 PM
yes freewoman i am a male and i am sure u r also firstclass citizen if not working in strip club and not involve in adultry
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:37 PM
Please excuse my typos, trying to do too many things at once here.
at November 21, 2006 1:37 PM
Well, if I were a stripper, I can guarantee I would be first class.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 1:40 PM
km on papers u might be right but in actuality its even worse than here Oh My Gosh, what u think why I left( so call number country the technology country with lots of dollars) was I happy? Duhhhhhhh I wasnt happy, its extremely hard for muslims to live there you wouldnt know since u never experienced, again stop watching Fox news
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:40 PM
well then go ahead join the club they always hire freewoman
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:43 PM
So how were you made to be a 2nd class citizen?
My bet is that people in the US wouldn't accept your Islamic supremacism and the women wouldnt let you subjugate them in the usual mysogynistic Islamic fashion you grew up with, therefore you felt frustrated that you were not allowed to administer your Sharia justice.
Posted by: km at November 21, 2006 1:44 PM
REALLY!!!! And you would know this how??
Eastwest, your post said it all. Your religion teaches you that women don't deserve respect. And you carry that notion WHEREVER you go. So you deserve to be back in Paki where males are males and sheep are scared.
We live in the 21st century and you live in the 7th.
If the muslims would understand that and live in their own lands, we could all get along.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 1:46 PM
did u read the comment by americangerman earlier he said earlier U wouldnt be american anyway? it means even if i spent 50 years in ur country will never be considered as american since i am not white will still be a pakistani right? so thats a feeling of 2nd class citizen, people may be happy to live like that but I love to have identity. sharia justice has nothing to do since in pakistan we dont have sharia(again search before u say) and i wasnt religious at all before came to ur country.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:49 PM
i didnt disrespect u madam its u who disrespected ur self, it was u who said "i would definitly be a first class citizen if i be a striper" u r really boiled right now take a glass of water oh sorry beer. u will never see me abusing u but yeah ur fellows my say u good words like b.....(sorry if u r offended)words just go out and experience
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:54 PM
We live in the 21st century and you live in the 7th. If the muslims would understand that and live in their own lands, we could all get along.
Amen to that, that is why eastwest should
be congratulated.
at November 21, 2006 1:56 PM
forgot to tell ya freewoman, i live in 7th century but with respect and freedom unlike u who live in 21st century but have no idea whats life about, actually i am surprised u even dont bother to listen what Gesus told u.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 1:57 PM
Ok, like..I really didn't understand all you said.
Too early for a drink , but thanks anyway. Not boiling, just laughing. We get you guys talking and your beliefs REALLY come out.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 2:01 PM
What did Gesus tell me? I must have been drunk and stripping.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 2:06 PM
americangermany i went their legally i followed the law, had no issues the way u wana live, can give u dozen examples of indians too who have left. u might be one of those who like to see both point of views but one thing u might have to admit that the gap between muslims and usa has been widen and more likely will effect in future alot. I told u what i have experienced and remember it was u who said earlier "u wouldnt be american to begin with" u can scroll up to see that. I have no issues with USA as far as i am concerned but yeah i do have issues as far as Iraq is concerned( with so many iraqies have been killed just to get the oil).thats what u guys voted as well and changed the house to democrates since u dont like iraq policy either.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 2:06 PM
freewoman actually its me who is laughing cant believe how a woman is disrespecting her selves, wow
ONLY U CAN DO IT..lol,
at November 21, 2006 2:13 PM
again as i mentioned we must get out of CNN and FOX philopsphies.
Posted by: eastwest
"WE" mustn't do anything, troll. YOU on the other hand MUST LEAVE NOW!
at November 21, 2006 2:16 PM
"What did Gesus tell me? I must have been drunk and stripping." Posted by: freewoman
Gumpin' Gehosephat! Thanks, freewoman, that's the best laugh I've had today!
Posted by: Josephine at November 21, 2006 2:17 PM
yeah this is bad...america needs more lessons in multiculturalism...islam will spread in America not by the sword but by preaching. Islam is growing in the USA alhamdu lillah!!!
USA=USALLAH...
Posted by: jihadlove
Israel akhbar!!
at November 21, 2006 2:22 PM
i knew it already since have so many american friends can easily tell who is democrate or republican. yeah u r right about iraq issue. now coming to indians they are even more religious than pakies and they do follow their rules by the way they wont eat non vegies they go to temples alot, they have same traditions as far as treating women is concerned and just visit their house u ll see they dont change their culture even in usa. i think its everyones right what to wear or what not what to eat or what not to. u guys cant tell me how i have to live neither i have right to invade ur privacy.
Posted by: eastwest at November 21, 2006 2:25 PM
The goal is make such a huge spectacle of the incident (get C.A.I.R. and everyone else involved) and make it sound like they were the most innocent of little lambs and those crew members were just being soooo islamophobic.
Poor, little mistreated islamic scholars.
This way, in the future, no airline crew member, or security personnel will ever dare to question any muslim.
We are supposed to be afraid to question them, request I.D. from them, touch them for any reason, we are not allowed to accuse them of hate crimes (even if they murder us), and they are getting their way.
They are nothing but sheep in wolves clothing. They have their schemes concretely layed out and their mission to destroy our civilization is in full swing.
They are using our very PC sick society and our democratic laws against us.
Posted by: americaningermany
All we can do if the airlines cave in and don't scrutinize these people properly is to GET OFF THAT PLANE!! we know they're doing this stuff to disrupt and interfere with our way of life. They seek to make their lunacies "normal" in our lands. They seek to establish bridgeheads.
Since we aren't organized in the way they are we must begin with passive resistance of this kind. Besides.. when your life's at stake.. all bets are OFF.
The West doesn't yet realize that ALL OUR LIVES ARE AT STAKE!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 21, 2006 2:28 PM
jihadlove says: "...if we indiscriminatly kill and destory we are destroying the very signs that are supposed to lead us to Allah...it is not correct to state that every muslim believes in Islam as a means to kill or conquer the world..."
And then he signs with the name "jihadlove" ????
Posted by: sounder at November 21, 2006 2:30 PM
yeah this is bad...america needs more lessons in multiculturalism...islam will spread in America not by the sword but by preaching. Islam is growing in the USA alhamdu lillah!!!
USA=USALLAH...
Posted by: jihadlove
Behold the troll.. I say ride 'im out on a rail along with his other 6 comrades... If ya don't like the plane we'll be glad to give you a rail :-)
at November 21, 2006 2:31 PM
Q: What do you call six eemams in handcuffs?
A: A damn good start but not nearly enough!
In light of their legal strategies I suggest that all the airlines create a commonly held fund where they pool their money for legal defenses. This to avoid one of them being singled out for malicious lawsuits. They should have to share the burden so they won't be cowed into submission by these fools.
What else can be done? Suggestions welcome.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 21, 2006 2:39 PM
Hey, muslim with the "u r white trash" line:
http://www.carm.org/islam/hadith_muhammad.htm
Muhahamad was a white man.
at November 21, 2006 4:51 PM
""... now coming to indians they are even more religious than pakies and they do follow their rules by the way they wont eat non vegies they go to temples alot, they have same traditions as far as treating women is concerned and just visit their house u ll see they dont change their culture even in usa. i think its everyones right what to wear or what not what to eat or what not to. u guys cant tell me how i have to live neither i have right to invade ur privacy....""
THIS WILL BE A HUGE RANT, ppl. Please bear with me :D Gotta get some thoughts off my chest. Hope this educates a few fanatics at least.
First off, I take a bit of offense to the above statement by eastwest. I am originally from India and a Hindu. Moved here years back and love it here, USA rules IMHO. I do hold very strong patriotic tendencies todays my country of origin and an ill-educated statement like the above does piss me off. I consider hindus to be one of the most tolerant and harmonious ppl I know. And they do adapt to whatever culture they are in. But eastwest is right in saying that ppl have the right to live the way they want ..........I further add that they can live any way they want as long ""as its not offensive or threatining to others.""
I wouldn't consider myself particularly religious but do follow many tenets of my faith because I was brought up that way. Many Indian Hindus are very religious, that is true and there is nothing wrong with it and most importantly they do their prayers without interfering with ANYONE else !
EastWest shows his ignorance of Indians by saying they "won't eat non-vegies". I hope he realized that Indians are from different religions and does not classify all as hindus. Even then, Only 30% or so of Hindus are lacto-vegetarians. Some by reason of poverty, many by reason of their belief in "ahimsa" or "non-violence" as well as Karma. The rest actually love their chicken, lambs, fish and PORK etc
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