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Predictable. "Six Muslim imams removed from MSP flight," from AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
"They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way," said Omar Shahin, of Phoenix.The six Muslim scholars were returning from a conference in Minneapolis of the North American Imams Federation, said Shahin, president of the group. Five of them were from the Phoenix-Tempe area, while one was from Bakersfield, Calif., he said.
Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said. He attributed any concerns by passengers or crew to ignorance about Islam.
"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, expressed anger at the detentions.
"CAIR will be filing a complaint with relevant authorities in the morning over the treatment of the imams to determine whether the incident was caused by anti-Muslim hysteria by the passengers and/or the airline crew," Hooper said. "Because, unfortunately, this is a growing problem of singling out Muslims or people perceived to be Muslims at airports, and it's one that we've been addressing for some time."
Hooper said the meeting drew about 150 imams from all over the country, and that those attending included U.S. Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, D-Minneapolis, who just became the first Muslim elected to Congress. Shahin said they went as far as notifying police and the FBI about their meeting in advance.
Shahin expressed frustration that - despite extensive efforts by him and other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks - so many Americans know so little about Islam.
"If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he said.
Reached by cell phone just after his release, Shahin said he didn't know where they would spend the night or how they would try to get back to Phoenix on Tuesday. Hooper said US Airways refused to put the men on another flight.
Posted by Robert at November 21, 2006 10:37 AM
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Boo hoo. Poor "holy men". CAIR probably manufactured this whole incident just to gain some publicity. Why hasn't this subversive organization been closed already?
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at November 21, 2006 10:43 AM
If only we could respectfully deport them.
Posted by: StillBreathing at November 21, 2006 10:49 AM
"They took us off the plane, humiliated us in a very disrespectful way," said Omar Shahin, of Phoenix.
That means that they were treated like the average citizen...no big deal, happens every day...
Posted by: duh_swami at November 21, 2006 10:51 AM
Put them on a plane to cesspoolia-one way ticket please. And they can take CAIR with them.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 10:56 AM
They are using all and everything to spread their satanic minded cults in the name of humanity and their allah.
Just wonder when that will backfire on them. Don't they realize that they are not welcome?
Their propaganda serves the 700 million + illiterates and a few wackos in the West and nobody else.
at November 21, 2006 10:58 AM
Since the muslims have to make a big show of their piety, shouldn't they make reservations around their prayer times? I don't know how they could assure that they could ever fly since they have to go bottoms up 5 times a day.
Mat 6:5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2006 10:59 AM
If it isn't acceptable for a Muslim to wait until they get off a public transport to pray then they should schedule their travel around their 5 daily prayers.
Why haven't we had Muslims praying on planes before? All of these years and no one has thought it necessary to pray on planes before? What's up with that?
Posted by: f.g. at November 21, 2006 10:59 AM
"as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said."
Blink, and the number rises 0.1 billion. Frightening, eh? Better start spiking their water real soon.
Posted by: anti-uffe at November 21, 2006 11:00 AM
All the passengers on this plane watched as these bearded imans stood up and said their prayers among the passengers, I too, without question would be deeply concerned about that behavior after 9-11. I understand that they also refused the orders of the airliners captain to leave that plane when so ordered. Some of the passengers where terrified at this behavior and complained to the stewards.
CAIR as usual is in defence of the indefencible given the climate in this country. These passengers had absolutely every right to complain.
CAIR has no case whatsoever!
Posted by: Mackie at November 21, 2006 11:03 AM
It's a security issue in any case.
Posted by: Arnie at November 21, 2006 11:05 AM
"Shahin said he didn't know where they would spend the night or how they would try to get back to Phoenix on Tuesday. Hooper said US Airways refused to put the men on another flight."
Why have several recent incidents involved passengers on their way to Phoenix????
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014109.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014075.php
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25309
-XRDC
at November 21, 2006 11:08 AM
CAIR dude is complaining to the wrong people....he SHOULD be complaining to the imams and jihadists and terrorists who are responsible for creating the suspiscion and lack of trust that schmuck calls "anti-Muslim hysteria". A few imams humiliated? Aw, too bad. At least they weren't beheaded.
Posted by: angryeagle at November 21, 2006 11:08 AM
US AIRWAYS WENT TOO FAR
US Airways really treated these guys like (ahem) manure. Once they investigated them and their luggage and found out that they didn't have any bombs, etc, they should have very appologetically placed them on the next flight to their location and seated them in first class.
Sadly, US Airways has no class.
I don't have any problem with these Imams being interrogated and investigated, but do it w/ civility and respect. Don't punish them for being stupid/Muslim.
Who are the drunken red necks making security and policy decisions for this airline? They will probably be sued for racial and religious discrimination, and sadly they have a case, bc they were not allowed to take any flight, even after a full investigation. Pathetic!
Posted by: Tookson at November 21, 2006 11:08 AM
"If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he said.
Nope... and that's the giveaway.
When I fly, to israel, and the religious folks pray, ten at a time, everyone's polite and apologizes if they're doing it in the way of others. In other words, the normal bounds of manners apply. The doers owe those not doing the manners to explain and or apologize if their words or bodies in any way impede those not doing. Thus, they are 'accepted' even by those who don't believ in any of that.
Now... this guy says, 'If they don't know about prayers'
Well as a matter of fact- the muslim guys- all they had to do, was smile, say to those in their seats next to where they were praying
"excuse us, please, we do our prayers, and we don't mean any intrusion" or some such. It's called manners. It's called politely telling people, who have been threatened with airline hijackings, beheadings, mutiltation, worldwide, that they- the muslims- merely wish to pray, mean no harm, and in short, announce themselves as polite, normal decent folks.
They didnt... I'll bet- and as they indicated, were arrogant,
and refused to explain to the stewardesses and fellow passengers what they were doing.
Thus they were giving off the usual muslim vibe of
'Screw you infidel'
Which explains why they got tossed.
Now... that should come out, and then we can actually criticize them for being intrusive, arrogant, and causing a scene, then being astonished that the 'infidels' don't 'respect' them.
Mark
Posted by: mgoldberg at November 21, 2006 11:09 AM
"If up to now they don't know about prayers, this is a real problem," he said.
Nope... and that's the giveaway.
When I fly, to israel, and the religious folks pray, ten at a time, everyone's polite and apologizes if they're doing it in the way of others. In other words, the normal bounds of manners apply. The doers owe those not doing the manners to explain and or apologize if their words or bodies in any way impede those not doing. Thus, they are 'accepted' even by those who don't believ in any of that.
Now... this guy says, 'If they don't know about prayers'
Well as a matter of fact- the muslim guys- all they had to do, was smile, say to those in their seats next to where they were praying
"excuse us, please, we do our prayers, and we don't mean any intrusion" or some such. It's called manners. It's called politely telling people, who have been threatened with airline hijackings, beheadings, mutiltation, worldwide, that they- the muslims- merely wish to pray, mean no harm, and in short, announce themselves as polite, normal decent folks.
They didnt... I'll bet- and as they indicated, were arrogant,
and refused to explain to the stewardesses and fellow passengers what they were doing.
Thus they were giving off the usual muslim vibe of
'Screw you infidel'
Which explains why they got tossed.
Now... that should come out, and then we can actually criticize them for being intrusive, arrogant, and causing a scene, then being astonished that the 'infidels' don't 'respect' them.
Mark
Posted by: mgoldberg at November 21, 2006 11:09 AM
Tell me, Muslims have been flying for years all across America and this has nvere been an issue, why all of a sudden we have people standing up "praying" ? To cause trouble taht's why. If they don't like the rules of flight, stay in your seat and shut up, let them drive, they can pull over on the freeway 5 times a day and bow down.
Posted by: TheRegulator at November 21, 2006 11:10 AM
"as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said."
Blink, and the number rises 0.1 billion. Frightening, eh? Better start spiking their water real soon.
Posted by: anti-uffe at November 21, 2006 11:00 AM
I estimate by Friday they'll be up to an even 2 billion. This just shows how the media can't get anything right, taking this guy at his word. For a while they were at 1.2 billion. A year from now we'll be told that out of 6.5 billion people in the world 8 billion are Muslims. Perhaps THAT will finally end the jihad.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 11:12 AM
XDRC:
Nice sleuthing! The Phoenix thing is quite curious. Nice job. :)
Posted by: Tookson at November 21, 2006 11:12 AM
"...Tell me, Muslims have been flying for years all across America and this has nvere been an issue, why all of a sudden we have people standing up "praying" ? To cause trouble taht's why. If they don't like the rules of flight, stay in your seat and shut up, let them drive, they can pull over on the freeway 5 times a day and bow down."
Actually, they can pray, but they owe it to explain, and be polite and apologize if their bodies take up some aisle space for 15 min's or so, and to let the stewardesses by as needed.
This is how the religious jews do this on flights. And no one's afraid of them blowing up planes, which is the issue that MUSLIMS caused, and no one's afraid that the jews will behead anyone, like
MUSLIMS do WORLDWIDE, so before they get mouthy about CIVIL RIGHTS, they ought to learn some MANNERS and courtesy, and then, when they do, they can have people who have every real to be concerned about them, show civility in return.
at November 21, 2006 11:15 AM
TheRegulator,
I think your comments are right on target. Why that flight and why these "imams?" I suspect there is more to this story than AP is telling us. I have to wonder whether the "imams" were being deliberately loud and offensive in order to provoke a confrontation.
Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at November 21, 2006 11:17 AM
This whole incident underscores the fact that many Muslims seem to feel no sense of accountability for all of the violence committed in the name of their religion. A few days ago, I was reading a thread on the Big Pharoah blog, in which he questioned why non-Muslims object to the phrase "Allahu Akbar", since all believers of every faith believe that God is great. Several people set him straight: "Allahu Akbar" are the last words that an infidel hears before a Muslim kills him. If you hear it on a plane, it's the equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater ... it will create panic. It is a war cry. Abruptly standing up and reciting Muslim prayers on a plane has an identical effect on people. These imams need to get a clue. If you want to stay out of trouble, don't "go all Islamic" when you're on a plane!
Posted by: HoosierGal at November 21, 2006 11:22 AM
americaningermany
I'm not against individual of other countries to live in america, Europe or elsewhere and I'm not against individuals at all as long as they go by the rules.
Islam is deffineteley outlaw. Most of those import muslims are coming from countries where religion is not seperated from the state and thus create havoc and see it as their chance in a lifetime to become somehow important in their societies.
You're right when you mention some Christians. Christians have to poke their nose into the quran, sharia etc. to get the full picture.
Posted by: Arnie at November 21, 2006 11:25 AM
I don't have any problem with these Imams being interrogated and investigated, but do it w/ civility and respect
And why should they be treated with "civility and respect?" Nobody else is.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2006 11:25 AM
"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
Oh my. How terrible for the muslims.
This was their own little jihad. Not all jihadis have to die at the end of their mission. Most of the time, they go free. These imams did this on purpose. This was overt terrorism and should be dealt with in the harshest manner.
These imams should be taken into custody and charged with waging war on America. They should then be sent to a prison where they can be pumped for information. Then, after they have outlived their usefulness... well, I don't care what happens to them after that. Feed 'em to the pigs.
The Enemy: muslims spreading islam.
The Solution: detention, deportation, execution.
Simple, pragmatic, and effective.
at November 21, 2006 11:28 AM
The polito radioed in:
"I want these muthe*****n sheiks off my muthe*****n plane."
Posted by: Jan III Sobieski at November 21, 2006 11:28 AM
pilot, excuse me.
Posted by: Jan III Sobieski at November 21, 2006 11:28 AM
Tookson, the reason they were not allowed to get back on was because they refused to cooperate with the staff and observe safety/security measures. If I were an airline security person or captain, I would not allow anyone on the plane who has already refused to follow staff instructions. That is a safety issue.
at November 21, 2006 11:30 AM
Just another PR-stunt by the 'RoP'...
If Americans knew what Islam is, what CAIR & Hooper and Mohammed-worshippers have in store for them there would be very little left of Islam in the US tomorrow ...
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 21, 2006 11:32 AM
I wonder what would happen to a Christian in Saudi Arabia if he took a Bible on a bus and started reading out loud ? How long before he would find himself in jail or worse ? Maybe these Imams have experienced just a miniscule taste of what Christians experince all over the Middle East. But these Imams can sit here comfortably in the US and boaman the "injustices" they recieve ? Please waht hypocisy.
Posted by: TheRegulator at November 21, 2006 11:33 AM
Amen, TheRegulator .
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2006 11:34 AM
"Shahin expressed frustration that - despite extensive efforts by him and other Muslim leaders since even before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks - so many Americans know so little about Islam."
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
"Never murder a man who is committing suicide" Woodrow Wilson
All I can say is good luck in your effort in making Islam sound good to us free loving, wild women (men if you are a woman) loving, hard drinking, dog loving red blooded Americans. Keep it up CAIR and you will hang yourself and your silly cause.
Posted by: greatcometof1577
at November 21, 2006 11:35 AM
Whoops!
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 21, 2006 11:37 AM
The behaviour of the six was extremely provocative.
Posted by: Arnie at November 21, 2006 11:38 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
are you using proxy?
Some websites nowadays block proxy servers.
perhaps you ISP provider is temporaryly on proxy.
at November 21, 2006 11:43 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
I can get in. I would think it is something the enemies of POD has attached to the site. Run your anti-virus. Think about getting a good anti-virus such as Kaspersky.
http://usa.kaspersky.com/downloads/trial-versions.php?aw=kaspersky
at November 21, 2006 11:44 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN-
I can get it, and I'm at work where they block all game sites and many jihad related ones.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 11:45 AM
1.7 billion now ? I think that I was right in an earlier post of mine, in which I said that they will be 2 billion by Dec. 2006.
Posted by: arjun.sevak at November 21, 2006 11:46 AM
Maybe it's just me, or maybe I've been reading too many Spencer-type books, but I *TOTALLY* get what's going on here. Couldn't be simpler.
Aggressive in-your-face act by the "imams" - praying in public on a damn plane (before takeoff, right?), now CAIR gets involved, and end result: public debate and discussion about the need for everyone to respect Moslems praying 5x a day at work, on planes, wherever they are. Seriously, how else or how better could the hordes possibly get their stupid praying-every-3-minutes-in-public thing on the national media agenda? This was brilliant. This handful of "imams" (of probably high-school education) just pushed the Islamofication agenda forward about 3-4 years in one 5 minute splurge of pushiness without having to blow anything up.
They are getting more clever.
I totally get what Islam and CAIR are up to.
If anything, this incident relates most closely to the Korans in the toilet (allegedly) at Pace University in NY. No terrorism. No mass destruction. No raging in the streets. Just a simple, token incident manufactured in minutes, and now an entire university's worth of students has to sit through sensitivity training classes and listen to imams talk about Islam.
The strategy is being adapted to US conditions. Watch for a lot more bloodless but extremely manipulative efforts to get Islam on the agenda and provide forum space for Moslems to blabble about their sacred religion to the heathens.
I get it now.
Posted by: Mega at November 21, 2006 11:47 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN
You didn't sign in did you?
Run your anti-virus.
at November 21, 2006 11:48 AM
This 'in your face' performance is intentional to push Islam on the infidels and make them respect Islam. There was no need for them to make their prayers such a scene on an airline preparing to leave the gate. If I had been on that flight, I would have complained that either they go or I go.
Posted by: John Sobieski at November 21, 2006 11:49 AM
"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
This stunt was pre-conceived in the hope that it will raise Muslims higher on the alter of victimhood. The higher they get the less one can actually criticize them when they do wrong, commit crimes etc. To do so would cause so much more "humilation." Just look at the UK. Criminals amd terrorists were be-knighted with a new personal descriptor. They are no longer Arab, North African or Muslim youth. They are Asians or merely youths This is the direction we are headed here in America.
Posted by: Kemaste at November 21, 2006 11:51 AM
The next protest coming from CAIR will be against the biased Anglo Saxon naming of the Minnestota Vikings. This is offensive to Minnesota Muslims. The new name will be MINNESOTA MUJAHADEEN.
The purple and gold uniforms will be changed to green and red.
The viking horns will be replaced by the crescent moon and star along with a sword.
No women will be allowed entrance into the stadium except Nancy Pelosi in special box seating.
The Mujahadeen must bow to Mecca after scoring a touchdown or be assesed an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Extra police will be called to keep in check the frenzy of the fans when the New England Patriots come to town. Fan cheers of "Death to Satan" and burning in effigy opposing coaches will bring terror. Chants on "allu akbar" will inspire the home team.
Also there is talk of a name change for the Detroit Lions to either the Detroit Dhimmis or the Detroit Lions of Allah
Posted by: Briars at November 21, 2006 11:52 AM
The fact that US Airways refused to put them on another flight tells me that a great deal about the Imams behavior is being left out of this story.
A company usually doesn't court bad publicity, particularly from a group they know will be aggressive about publishing their "wrongs" and filing lawsuits.
Security concerns obviously were strong enough to get these men deep sixed permanently.
Posted by: treehugger at November 21, 2006 11:56 AM
I am very sorry if this is too terribly off-topic, but my father is dying, and I'd just ask those of you who value the power of prayer and your relationship with our Heavenly Father to pray for him in his final moments on Earth. He is in some pain and cannot communicate with us, although he's shown signs that he is aware of our presence.
This is just a difficult time for him and us, and my concerns cannot be divided between my dad's condition and international Jihadism. We really just would appreciate prayers of believers right now. Thank you all for your time and patience.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at November 21, 2006 11:58 AM
Nah, Briars. You are talking about having fun, there is no fun in islam. Fun is haram. Too much laughter is bad for your health.
http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?pg=article&ln=eng&article_id=19#Excessive%20laughter
In Christianity it says
Proverbs 17:22
A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.
at November 21, 2006 12:00 PM
I pray pretty well every time I fly -- I have a mild, but irrational, fear of planes, and it calms me. Also, as a Christian I take seriously the Apostle Paul's instruction to "pray at all times".
Usually I don't think the person sitting beside me knows it, because I do not do it for show. It is not necessary to bow, or kneel, or even close one's eyes, to pray, although one might do so for the sake of concentration. In public it is important to pray discretely.
All this furor over prayer in the public schools -- as far as I know, it has never been outlawed -- only official, public displays of prayer that aim to draw others, willingly or unwillingly, into the act as participants or audience. In a pluralistic society such grandstanding must be regulated, and religious people must understand the difference between appropriate and inappropriate displays of piety. I have prayed all the time in schools, and never been accosted or arrested -- because when I pray it is done discretely and privately; there is no law against such things. Personally, I am annoyed and embarrassed at the belligerence of Christians who insist that it is their right to make public spectacles of prayer in schools or elsewhere in public.
It's hard to imagine this happening, but I suppose it could: a youth group on its way to a mission event in the south pacific standing in the aisle of the airplane, praying loudly for success in their mission and safety on the plane, followed by a loud chorus of Kumbaya or Amazing Grace...If such a thing does happen I hope they are rounded up, grounded, and grilled about their behavior by airport security. Even so, because Christianity is not already associated with blowing up airplanes, the level of insensitivity of such a group cannot be compared to that of these Imams, who were surely less concerned about fulfilling their daily quota of prayer than they were with making some misguided point.
These men were IMAMS ! They are suppose to be teachers, and examples to other muslims. They need to hear, plain and simple, that they have given the wrong example; they need to teach, and demonstrate, how to pray appropriately in a pluralistic culture, especially one in which ritual islamic prayers and airplanes combine in a volatile way.
I liken their behavior to someone from, let us say, the gun lobby, deciding to have his 12 year-old openly carry firearms (to be handled safely, of course) at school to "prove to all" that guns needn't be considered a danger to society. Well, perhaps this particular 12 year old would never "pull a Columbine"; that does not change the fact that the idea is completely wrongheaded, as with our Imams.
This reminds me of a recent incident of which I am aware, in which a muslim student at a local university, known for being somewhat forward about his faith, was writing an exam during which one of their prayer times occurred. He asked for permission to pray at the front of the class -- during the exam, in full view of other students. He was asked to leave the room so as not to distract others. Although he remained very insistent about wanting to pray in front of the group he eventually conceded and went out to pray -- but not before having created a lengthy disturbance over the issue while others were trying to write.
Get ready folks, our manners and tolerance for this stuff are about to be tested in ways we have yet to imagine.
at November 21, 2006 12:01 PM
yohannbiimu,
I am so sorry. I lost my Dad some years ago and it is a painful time.
You have my prayers.
at November 21, 2006 12:02 PM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
I have never signed in there. I can get in.
at November 21, 2006 12:08 PM
"Three of them stood and said their normal evening prayers together on the plane, as 1.7 billion Muslims around the world do every day, Shahin said."
Three of them stood? Why only three? And why stand? There was six of them shouldnt they all be praying? And dont they only pray while kneeling? Dont you think that if they had to pray they could remain seated? And how do they know that they were facing Mecca?
These are the questions that the authorities should be asking themselves, and then come to the conlusion this whole deal was a setup. Of course with the new Muslim congressman from Minnissota, fresh from a Dinner with CAIR in Fla.
would make it seem that the proper authorities dont have a chance.
It didnt take long for them to try to push their agenda thru congress. And thats with just one Muslim congressman. With all the lefties in congress this country does have a chance.
Just wait. These people in this country will get their way yet. Then there will be blood in the streets worse than what is happening in Irag.
And I hope I'm dead and gone by then.
at November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
angryeagle-
...at least they weren't beheaded.
Interrupting prayers is the ultimate insult and is far worse than beheading!!! It is like slapping Allah in the face with a shoe! In comparison, beheading is a minor infraction.
Q - If a terrorist dies mid-flight in order to obtain 72 Helen Thomases, does that qualify for the mile-high club?
-XRDC
Posted by: XRDC at November 21, 2006 12:09 PM
osted by: Carolyn2 and ISLAMSFORLOSERS thanks. I just found that MUSLIMS tried to hack into the site so it might have something to do with that>? But if you guys can get in I should be able to. Anyway I am running my antivirus now. Carolyn2 that one you posted is excellent --thanks Ill look into that one for sure.
---
RE: CAIR filing --figures. I think soon in the future they will be seen as Nation of Islam is --right now they are playing the PR game but it cant last long--the feds have loooong feelers.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 12:12 PM
"Matthew 6:1-6 (King James Version)
1: Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2: Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3: But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5: And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6: But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Whenever I see the moslems going about their prayers to their moon-god al-la I am reminded of this passage.
at November 21, 2006 12:14 PM
I have a solution to this problem: Muslim only flights! Of course, we may need to have Sunni and Shi'ia only flights, but I think the general idea has merit.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 21, 2006 12:14 PM
Tookson, I agree with you but I understand the six imans were rude and uncooperative. I'm sure stuff like this happens more often but doesn't make the news because the passenger(s) defuse the situation (no pun intended). Treehugger's right, there's more to this story than the CAIR's press release.
TheRegulator, hypocrisy does suck but sinking to Saudi Arabia's level would be worse. Our freedoms are what make the West great and I'm loath to do away with any even it wouldn't affect me personally. The Arab world's rulers would love to see us imitating them.
Kemaste and others who say it could've been staged, I think you're right. They either wanted or didn't care if they provoked a reaction. There's a religious Muslim in one of my classes who told me that they can pray sitting down and just moving their lips if necessary. However there's another Muslim (who doesn't look religious at all) that tries to kick us out of the undergrad lounge when he wants to pray so I guess there's different opinions on that.
Posted by: dswrdr at November 21, 2006 12:18 PM
PS no I do not have an anonymose IP
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 12:19 PM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
I have never signed in there. I can get in.
Just did moments ago.
Posted by: Levi at November 21, 2006 12:19 PM
They haven't seen rude yet!
I look forward to the day we deport them, lock them up, shoot them, and/or all of the above.
Posted by: Levi at November 21, 2006 12:21 PM
Rowane, ... so true ...
Posted by: Arnie at November 21, 2006 12:22 PM
Dear friends
Hence, they are gearing up in their mission until we are used to it and then the next step...and so forth.
They need to face a full stop
Posted by: Arnie at November 21, 2006 12:24 PM
yohann, praying for your father, you and your family. May the true Lord surround you with His love and support and hold you all during this difficult time. My mom is very old now and suffering also. I can understand how it is for you. Hugs!
Posted by: Abby at November 21, 2006 12:29 PM
Well -- I'm gonna file a complaint over CAIR filing a complaint -- so there!
Posted by: champ at November 21, 2006 12:30 PM
When I fly, to israel, and the religious folks pray, ten at a time, everyone's polite and apologizes if they're doing it in the way of others. In other words, the normal bounds of manners apply.
Mark, the normal bounds of politeness apply when Jews pray cuz Judaism itself is an inherently polite religion. When Moslems fly on any flight, Infidels naturally get nervous cuz they sense, correctly, that the Moslems are praying for their forced conversion, subjugation, or murder.
Big diff right there I’ll tellya.
Maybe the Infidels on the US Airways flight should file their own complaint, against the praying Imams, not the airline. The complaint to file would be 3rd Degree Assault, a Gross Misdemeanor.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 12:30 PM
'atta girl, Champ!
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 12:33 PM
Google the name Omar Shahin, leader of the Minneapolis Six. Currently of Phoenix, formerly of Tuson.
CAIR wants to file complaint? Bring it. ABC radio news is reporting that a lady passenger on Flight 300 was fluent in the language spoken by the imams.
It'll raise the hair on your arms and necks.
Resistence is not futile.
Posted by: omvi at November 21, 2006 12:36 PM
1.7 billion muslims now? What will the number be at Christmas time? 2.3 billion? Hell, by this time next year, according to these Islamic fabricators, the world may have 5 billion followers of the false prophet Muhammad.
at November 21, 2006 12:38 PM
Carolyn2 thank you ! I did not realize that RS does not like to link to POD!! And I have posted sometimes stuff from POD on here with a link (so as not to take credit) mostly quranic verses. Nobody told me that! Perhaps POD was told and thus blocked me? If knew RS didnt link to POD I would never have put links of POD on here!! My apologies Mr Spencer but I had no way of knowing. (The link postings I am referring to were from a few days ago I think and a few weeks ago).
thanks Carolyn2
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 21, 2006 12:38 PM
You'd be surprised at how many "Christian" churches and church-goers support having muslims in our countries.
Word is that the local Lutheran Synod bags $5K per head for bringing Somalis and other breeds o' Moslem into Mpls-St Paul.
That's why we're set to receive the door prize up here: 10,000 more Moslems are packing their bags to move up here and go on the welfare asap.
Naturally, this is cuz the Moslems have been killing Moslems of late. The Lutherans must figure this is our fault, not the Moslems' fault, and our collective punishment will be felt in higher taxes and lower security.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 12:41 PM
These people have no respect for whatsoever for anyone.. To them Islam is the "perfect" religion, so it's "in your face" to the rest of us!!...Hmmmm... next time I am flying cross country I could consider standing in-flight to recite the Divine Office. Muslims don't have the corner market on daily prayers, although they think they do.
I am reminded of a story told to me by a middle eastern Arab Christian who said he prayed before eating at a little restaurant exposing his Christianity publicly. He summarily had his food removed, was beaten, and then had to pay for the meal he was not allowed to eat.....
I also reminded of a local restaurant owner in the Rocky Mountain West who summarily ejected a muslim jerk and his family for abusing the waitress attempting to serve them. The restaurant owner simply told them that no one treats his staff like that..so get out.
Gotta love the country folk!
Posted by: rejjie at November 21, 2006 12:43 PM
So....what's going to happen when voodoo priests and santeria worshippers fly? Do we sacrifice chickens and goats in the aisle? How about building fires in the galley for African Animists?
I've heard of Christians that like to swing from chandeliers and jump pews....why not? If muslims get to take up aisle space and yell about allah...why not?
at November 21, 2006 12:43 PM
XRDC wrote: "Why have several recent incidents involved passengers on their way to Phoenix????"
Exactly, to the point. There does appear to be a pattern of problems developing between the Land of Lakes and Phoenix. But my guess is that CAIR and others have targeted US Airways for special treatment after the first instance of the Airline throwing praying Muslim Scholars off a plane. They probably couldnt sue for the first group as it is likely that one of the "scholars" had an unsavory past that might come out in court.
I would wager a bet that the current group of "Muslim Scholars" were hand picked as plantiffs. I mean.. come on... they didnt know where they would stay or how in the world they could travel to Phoenix. Hmm... planes, trains, and automobiles... sound familar?
"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible." Come on...OOOHH the humiliation...OOOHH the Humanity of it all. The shame, the religious persecution of it all... I can hear the CAIR and ACLU attorneys in court while their clients, the "Muslim Scholars" boo hoo and recount their stories of personal shame and their fear to practice their religon.
If eating a little dog food is worth 2.7 million, I would bet, after the lawsuit, US Airways will end up being C-AIR-ways.
Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at November 21, 2006 12:44 PM
Whether they were just saying prayers or not.... If I were on that plane, there would be an issue. I don't want them on the plane at all, innocent or not. And when they start their praying sh*t...I'd lose it. Ignorance or not, they should beware. Most people can pray to their God silently... so should they.
Also,he was quoted as "six leaders in this country..." Six leaders of a false religion, which its followers have been known to blow up planes, and crash them into buildings all in the name of that false religion.
...well I never
Another thing. Here comes Keith Ellison, Islam's Congressional forefather.
Posted by: Gotham at November 21, 2006 12:45 PM
Rowane has a good point.
That Muslim prayers are very theatrical definitely helps if you want to up the stakes and deliberately aggravate everyone, as I suspect these imams wanted to.
There is definitely a ratcheting up of tension. Take the school girl in the U.K. who went to court because her school banned her veil. It turned out she was put up to it.
I think that there is a strategy at work, and it works because the MSM just loves a victim.
yohannbiimu, will do
at November 21, 2006 12:47 PM
cair complains at the drop of a hat yet when muslims break the law they make exuses about muslims religist belifes and muslims brakeing the law like when store owners forceibly remove the blind and there guide dogs or muslim cabbys refuze to take a blind person and thir guide dog dispite the law saying they have to
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 21, 2006 12:47 PM
GrimReaper, from what I've read, Tucson has Al-Queada. Phoenix has a large group of muslims. Phoenix is like three hours from Mexico, so I'm sure it's just a gathering place.
Is it just me, or does it appear that muslims are mainly congregating at the borders of the U.S? That would include the East and West coasts. Maybe it's easier to sneak their co-jihadists in and their weapons.
Posted by: freewoman at November 21, 2006 12:51 PM
Here comes Keith Ellison, Islam's Congressional forefather.
And under the protective wing of globo-socialist Nancy Pelosi. In two years, this bold young Moslem trail blazer will enjoy the further protection of Prez Hillary and Vice Prez Obama, who himself has close ties to the holy Islam.
Look for Sharia to follow, drip-by-drip, dip-by-dip.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 1:08 PM
Here comes Keith Ellison, Islam's Congressional forefather.
And under the protective wing of globo-socialist Nancy Pelosi. In two years, this bold young Moslem trail blazer will enjoy the further protection of Prez Hillary and Vice Prez Obama, who himself has close ties to the holy Islam.
Look for Sharia to follow, drip-by-drip, dip-by-dip.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 01:08 PM
Ah, what the hell. They'll all be one Depression away from dangling from lamposts. Why sweat it?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 1:11 PM
Snakes on a plane.
Posted by: MP at November 21, 2006 1:20 PM
Hey ISLAMISFORLOSERS, I saw you bad-mouthing the Red Star over in the other thread.
The good news is that fed'l bust of the Red Star for having defrauded its ciruculation numbers could result in an Commie Editor doing Federal Time in some Club Fed somewhere.
See, ISLAMISFORLOSERS, there's a silver lining behind every dark cloud, and the Mpls Star & Tribune is a dark cloud awright.
But, then again, there could be a backdoor deal cut and the editors could walk...
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 1:21 PM
TheRegulator:" Tell me, Muslims have been flying for years all across America and this has never been an issue, why all of a sudden we have people standing up "praying" ?"
I think you've put your finger on something there.
I think it may be part of a strategy to "normalize" islam and its practices in our society. We're getting this kind of bulls**t at work more now. For example, the muslims have to have somewhere they can go and pray; the women can't use a unisex toilet. I think it's designed to soften us up so that we feel as if islam is just part of life. It's a way of gently imposing islamic values on us in ways that are more difficult to complain about and resist.
Posted by: Malta_1565 at November 21, 2006 1:22 PM
"Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
No not really.
Posted by: Jimbooo at November 21, 2006 1:41 PM
"I never felt bad in my life like that," he said. "I never. Six imams. Six leaders in this country. Six scholars in handcuffs. It's terrible."
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, expressed anger at the detentions.
I guess he wasn't alive on September the 11th, 2001? Getting hauled off that plane made him feel worse than the terrorist events of September 11th, 2001?
They speak for themselves my friends. What can I possibly add?
All I have to say is we need strategies to rid ourselves of this plague. We have no way to change their "hearts and minds" and I for one really feel no compulsion to do so. A true epiphany comes from deep within.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 21, 2006 1:46 PM
Alarmed Pig Farmer-
Finally, some good news. Too bad the paper won't simply fold. It's pretty much the only one in town and there are too many lovers of it out there. Me-I wouldn't line a birdcage with it for fear of the bird dying of disgust.
By the way, I'm having ham on Thursday. I'll think of Mr. Perfect and his minions when I cook it.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 21, 2006 1:48 PM
Interesting names, organizations & activities in the
Testimony of Steven Emerson
Before the
United States Senate Committee of Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
"Money Laundering and Terror Financing Issues in the Middle East":
Omar Shahin, is a KindHearts representative. KindHearts representatives have been linked with radical Muslim groups in the U.S.
Posted by: Malinois at November 21, 2006 1:53 PM
Book them six camels. The prophet's mode of transport. Allah will be proud of them. You can't trust them on infidel airplanes. Once bitten twice shy.
Posted by: Dsinc at November 21, 2006 2:20 PM
Omar Shahin director of the Islamic Center of Tucson. Before Shahin got there the center already had a history - the Islamic Center of Tucson, held "basically the first cell of al Qaeda in the United States; that is where it all started," said Rita Katz, a Washington-based terrorism expert.
One Attendee was Hani Hanjour identified by the FBI as a hijacker who died when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.
Throughout the 1980s, the mosque provided money, support and, at times, fighters to the forces resisting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan.Rhetoric began to creep into the Islamic Center, according to one longtime member who asked not to be identified, speakers began to focus more intensely on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the expanding U.S. role in the Middle East. Some speakers, he said, would urge members to "defend our religion" against the "infidels" who threatened Islam.
In 1983 and 1984, the mosque's president, according to state corporation records, was Wael Hamza Jelaidan, a Saudi national.The government has described Jelaidan as a "co-founder" of al Qaeda and its logistics chief.
Around the same time, Wadih Hage, a Lebanese Christian and naturalized U.S. citizen who had converted to Islam, joined the mosque.Hage, who was also part of the Afghan resistance in Pakistan, was convicted in 2001 of plotting the simultaneous 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. After leaving Arizona, he served as bin Laden's "personal secretary,"
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/arizonarepublic092801.html
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/wpost091002b.html
(from the Sept. 28, 2001 news link) - Shahin and Saadeddin expressed doubt that Muslims were responsible for the Sept. 11 attack. They also said they don't trust much of what the FBI has divulged - including the hijackers' identities.
Posted by: Rob at November 21, 2006 2:51 PM
"Reached by cell phone just after his release, Shahin said he didn't know where they would spend the night..."
I'm sure that one of the Somali cab drivers waiting outside would gladly have taken them to appropriate lodging.
Or, they could have called CAIR.
Posted by: PRCS at November 21, 2006 3:07 PM
Yohannbiimu:
My prayers and thoughts go to your father, your family and you, for strength, trust in true mercy and perserverance.
Posted by: Chatillon at November 21, 2006 3:13 PM
By the way, I'm having ham on Thursday...
Bless you, son. Bless you.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 21, 2006 3:14 PM
From the link above:
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Let's say someone who is upset about Sept. 11, and blames Islam for what happened, comes to you. How do you communicate with him?
I receive him with a smile and invite him to sit down and calm down. Then, I tell him that you are angry, and I am angry, too, because killing innocent people--all human beings--is against Islam, like any other religion based on peace, love, forgiveness, truthfulness and self-control. Yes, we are angry. It's OK to be angry, but you have to get angry with the right person, to the right degree, in the right way for the right purpose. We should control ourselves and not point fingers and affect other people. At the same time, I would show them what the Quran says about killing human beings. It's Chapter 5, Verse 32. What it says is very clear: Whoever kills one human being, he looks like he killed all of humanity, and whoever saves one person's life, he saves all of humanity.
at November 21, 2006 9:26 PM
And the rest of that story.
005.033
YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
005.034
YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
at November 21, 2006 9:33 PM
Chapter 5, Verse 32.
They like to quote that one, don't they?
Context.....let's read it incontext.
at November 21, 2006 9:36 PM
Islamonazi CAIR: Relentlessly Undermining Airline Security
http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/videos/FN112106.php
FNC video
at November 21, 2006 10:18 PM
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