Dean Esmay, are you at it again? Please get a life already.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 22, 2006 9:56 AM

A good list. Something like it should be a clickable and permanent part of the site.

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 22, 2006 10:06 AM

It would appear that some people are trying to
avoid real issues by making false ones , ignore
them ...after all why would they want to discuss
anything acutely embarrassing to them ?
Do not let them manipulate you.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 22, 2006 10:21 AM

9. Word has gone out that I support unrestricted immigration from Muslim countries, with adjustment only to screen for active jihadists. This is false.

Next book: The Truth about Muslim Immigration!

It starts with unrestricted immigration and then becomes a compromise of amnesty for all non-proven jihadists already here.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 22, 2006 10:22 AM

Robert -
I agree with poster above that says:
"Something like it should be a clickable and permanent part of the site"

I would have a link in heading so that no one can claim that didn't know your position on these issues, when you are attacked by the Jihadist apologists.

That way anyone who attacks you can be sent to a specific Internet link, whenever any of your supporters see such attacks in any of Jihadist apologist blogs.

Posted by: jeffreyimm at November 22, 2006 10:24 AM

Thank you for doing your job and being on watch. I'm sure lots of people would want to torpedo your work just because they are afraid of the truth. They feed themselves based on lies they tell themselves and others. It's a symptom of our hand-to-mouth existence.

I'm personally glad to have an honest-to-God defender of the truth fighting for us.

Thanks again for doing the work you do,
-Squire

Posted by: squire at November 22, 2006 10:24 AM

2. I do not wish to drive all Muslims into the sea.

Heavens forbid. Why would we wish Islam on our good friends - the blue whales, the seals, the octopussies, the oysters,... I wouldn't wish it even on the great white sharks, the hammerheads, the electric eels, et al.

3. I have never said that the only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim.

What other is there - the practitioners of 'my own private Islam'? If I were to mention the other type of good Muslims, my posts would probably be delete-worthy.

9. Word has gone out that I support unrestricted immigration from Muslim countries, with adjustment only to screen for active jihadists. This is false.

A matter of parsing. Do you support restricted immigration from Muslim countries, with adjustment only to screen for active Jihadists? If so, it's not good enough - after all, a lot of Muslims who are virtual agnostics in their home countries become more devout in a foreign environment such as the US - see EastWest's comments from yesterday. There's a reason for this - in their locales, there are a lot of things in life that they may find interesting, but that list quickly shrinks the moment they come here, and the void is filled by Islam. Therefore, there is a good case for ending Islamic immigration, period. Making the Hamid Mirs and the Ebina Lukovics of the world like us shouldn't be a priority at all. Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 22, 2006 10:25 AM

Still Breathing and Jeffrey Imm:

I just added a link to this to my FAQ here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/spencer/

Not a very high profile link, perhaps, but at least it's something.

And Jeff: thanks very much for all the links. You're an enormous help and an intrepid warrior.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 22, 2006 10:27 AM

Infidel Pride:

Of course not. No one has published more about the impossibility of distinguishing jihadist from anti-jihadist Muslims, and the craven failure of Western Muslim groups to excommunicate jihadists, than Jihad Watch. Do you really think I would then turn around and forget about all that when considering questions of immigration?

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Posted by: jihadwatch at November 22, 2006 10:32 AM

2. I do not wish to drive all Muslims into the sea....

When Hezbollah were lobbing rockets into Israel
i said that the Israelis should bulldoze Hezbollah into the sea.
Apparently some people are so dense they cannot
comprehend that members of the public contribute to this site...READ THIS FOOL !>>>>>
Comments
(Note: Comments on articles are unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Jihad Watch or Robert Spencer. Comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying may be summarily deleted. However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein.)

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at November 22, 2006 10:34 AM

Thanks for calmly explaining your position on Dr. Palmer’s blog; your patience and civility wins half the battle and your depth of knowledge does the rest. Happy Thanksgiving to all JW staff and friends.

Posted by: JasonP at November 22, 2006 10:35 AM

"...the impossibility of distinguishing jihadist from anti-jihadist Muslims..."

To muslims and groups like CAIR they make it seem as easy as distinguishing night from day. But of course if you don't have muslim "eyes" you can never tell and will only end up harassing innocent people.

"By their fruit you will know them" only works after the crime is committed and people are dead.

"By their associations you will know them" is the best we have to go on.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 22, 2006 10:41 AM

Happy Thanksgiving to Robert, Hugh and staff and all JW/DW-ers. You are all on my list of things to be grateful for.

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 22, 2006 10:47 AM

Robert,

Happy thanksgiving too and lets hope that not more errorists become terrorists and that the whole issue will take a backward trend soon.

Posted by: Arnie at November 22, 2006 10:56 AM

Robert

Glad to know that. As Lee Rodgers says, Happy Bird-day.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 22, 2006 11:46 AM

The facts you list Robert could be easily deduced just by reading Jihadwatch, assuming the reader is rational.

One assumes you get a lot of 'challenging' email from people who might be slightly less than rational . Any death threats?

Posted by: Alex at November 22, 2006 12:20 PM

Puts one in mind of the very first Thanksgiving with John and Myles and Priscilla and Squanto with his Wampanoag Cookbook brimful of real Native American recipes.

Yes, Robert, you've definitely put us all in a holiday all-is-safely gathered-in-e'er-the-winter-storms-begin harvest-home mood.

And may I this year have an extra portion of the hot Indian pudding? It's my favorite.

And now a decuman wave of sentimental tiny-timism has suddenly washed over me on this, my favorite holiday, so here, somewhat abashedly, goes:

May God or a reasonable facsimile thereof bless us, every one.

The Service Now Is Ended.

Posted by: Hugh at November 22, 2006 1:01 PM

WARNING THE FOLLOWING IS AN UNMODERATED COMMENT THAT EXPRESSES SOLELY THE VIEW OF NONE OTHER THAT THE POSTER:

I support their deportation.

I support their detention if they won't leave.

This is not an issue of race or religion.

This is an issue of an ideology, i.e. a vile corrupt mixture of a false religion of evil with a tyrannical fascist political agenda.

They are no different than Nazis and if Nazis were doing what these people are doing around the world in the name of their ideology, I would say deport and/or detain them too.

The faith of Islam has declared war on the West and the Quran instructs them to be dominant. They are bent on domination of the world. They are a cancer which eventually must be dealt with...eventually requiring violence for they leave us with no other choice.

Europe is a preview of what America eventually will one day have to face.

The Mein Kampf for Muslims is the Quran. It is far worse a more violent and vile book than Mein Kampf ever dreamed of being.

Posted by: Levi at November 22, 2006 1:06 PM

I have never said that the only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim.

Why not?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 22, 2006 1:55 PM

"I have never said that the only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim."

Good question APF...

Surely there are more than just the one, right?

-XRDC

Posted by: XRDC at November 22, 2006 2:01 PM

Hugh,

God Bless and keep you, too!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 22, 2006 2:21 PM

LEVI

yes I have been thinking about deportation. They did that forcibly to all Christians when they take over a country (ie Turkey ) but they also kill alot of muslims if they arent leaving fast enough (ie Armenian and other christians genocide in Turkey in the early 20th cent and before). We dont have to kill them we are better than that of course, but I think if any are caught in violent acts like the 'youths' in Paris IMMEDIATE deportation. hold them in jail for 6 months while family gets his or her assets in order and then boot them out.
for that to happen the West has to stop needing OIL because as Mr Spencer has said before many european countries have deals with Arabia that allows muslims to come enmasse into europe because of various pacts regarding oil agreements. The worst nightmare for the middle east would be a West that 1) has found its own unlimited supply of oil or better yet 2) found an alternative JUST as good (not almost as good it would have to be just as efficient and workable in trucks, industry etc). Environmentalists should be pushed aside (yes my vegan loving friends you heard me!) and development in Alaska should go full forward --who knows maybe you have your own saudi arabia in your backyard. As for my country: Canada --oil refinement is reaching new highs in the oil provinces. BUT how about the North West territories. I bet thar's oil in them there parts! Then the West could say to middle east: "okauy heres the deal we will not accept milions of potential jihadists in our countries and you can have these back --unless you allow millions of Christians to populate Arabia and jews too! No? okay then: get out. Oh and dont let the door hit your ass on the way out."

Either that or just take over Saudi Arabia and take all the oil. Hey I know its extreme but if we are willing to fight Iran because they are too dangerous to have nuclear power (we let Israel have nuclear power because they are a democracy and arent wackjobs) THEN oil just get the same status. These guys here they are toooo dangerous lets liberate some oil. As a matter of fact freedom is NOT free and I hope you Americans are getting as much oil from Iraq as you can . hey you deserve it! The army and an invasion is not free. Think of it as a bill for services rendered to Iraq. Of course it has to become more stable there but once it does I would say "okay you pay now with oil thank YOU" And Im a Canadian saying that but damn it its only fair!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 22, 2006 2:59 PM

Nice try, Robert, but I'm sure you know how these things work. The charges, once made, will be repeated even when they've been reputed.

Thomas Carlyle said: "A lie cannot live."

Mark Twain said: "He (Carlyle) didn't know how to tell them."

"Damn the torpedoes! Full steam ahead!" and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

Posted by: USBeast at November 22, 2006 3:14 PM

(Amended version of my last comment)

Nice try, Robert, but I'm sure you know how these things work. The charges, once made, will be repeated even when they've been refuted.

Thomas Carlyle said: "A lie cannot live."

Mark Twain said: "He (Carlyle) didn't know how to tell them."

"Damn the torpedoes! Full steam ahead!" and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

Posted by: USBeast at November 22, 2006 3:24 PM

Dear THE ALLIES SHALL WIN:

I'm SHOCKED...SHOCKED by what you said in your last post!!!!

You're Canadian? :)

Seriously though, I have a book, among many, to read, by Michelle Malkin titled: "In Defense of Internment: The Case for Racial Profiling in World War II and the War on Terror".

Sounds like it will be a good book; however, the reviews at Amazon are mixed.

Editorial Reviews

Book Description

This diligently documented book shows that neither the internment of ethnic Japanese--not to mention ethnic Germans and Italians--nor the relocation and evacuation of Japanese Americans from the West Coast were the result of war hysteria or race prejudice as historians have taught us.

From the Publisher

Everything you've been taught about the World War II "internment camps" in America is wrong: - They were not created primarily because of racism or wartime hysteria

- They did not target only those of Japanese descent

- They were not Nazi-style death camps In her latest investigative tour-de-force, New York Times best-selling author Michelle Malkin sets the historical record straight-and debunks radical ethnic alarmists who distort history to undermine common-sense, national security profiling. The need for this myth-shattering book is vital. President Bush's opponents have attacked every homeland defense policy as tantamount to the "racist" and "unjustified" World War II internment. Bush's own transportation secretary, Norm Mineta, continues to milk his childhood experience at a relocation camp as an excuse to ban profiling at airports.

Misguided guilt about the past continues to hamper our ability to prevent future terrorist attacks. In Defense of Internment shows that the detention of enemy aliens, and the mass evacuation and relocation of ethnic Japanese from the West Coast were not the result of irrational hatred or conspiratorial bigotry. This document-packed book highlights the vast amount of intelligence, including top-secret "MAGIC" messages, which revealed the Japanese espionage threat on the West Coast. Malkin also tells the truth about:

- who resided in enemy alien internment camps (nearly half were of European ancestry)

- what the West Coast relocation centers were really like (tens of thousands of ethnic Japanese were allowed to leave; hundreds voluntarily chose to move in)

- why the $1.65 billion federal reparations law for Japanese internees and evacuees
was a bipartisan disaster

- and how both Japanese American and Arab/Muslim American leaders have united

to undermine America's safety. With trademark fearlessness, Malkin adds desperately needed perspective to the ongoing debate about the balance between civil liberties and national security. In Defense of Internment will outrage, enlighten, and radically change the way you view the past-and the present.

About the Author

Michelle Malkin is author of the New York Times best-seller, Invasion, which ignited debate on immigration and national security in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks on America. Her nationally syndicated newspaper column, celebrating its fifth year with Creators Syndicate, is published in nearly 200 newspapers across the country. Malkin is a FOX News Channel contributor and former editorial writer and columnist for the Seattle Times and the Los Angeles Daily News. Malkin lives with her husband and children in Maryland.

Posted by: Levi at November 22, 2006 4:07 PM

Levi lol yes. You'd be surprised how many Canadian conservatives there are up here. These are Canadians who are more like Canadians from the 40s when America and Canada were very close in worldview and shared traditional judeo-christian values. There are many of us (and we are not from the 40s either --Im under age of 30!).

I just hope to God that the US is getting as much oil as they can in their stay in Iraq.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 22, 2006 5:02 PM

Dear THE ALLIES SHALL WIN:

Well that is good to know that Canada has not gone the way of Massachusettes!!!!

Under 30, I guess that means your 29 years plus!!!!

I'm nearly half a century old, i.e. 47 in January 2007. Old enough to remember seeing the Vietnam war on TV (yes we had TV), Watergate hearings during afternoon cartoon time that made me mad when then we only had 3 main channels, i.e. before the miracle of cable, and running home to be in front of the TV crying when hearing of Reagan getting shot.

Wow! Seems like eons ago. A time before Al Gore created the internet.

Lot of Canadians here in Florida this time of year. Bet you feel lonely up there!!!

Speaking of Iraq. My Marine nephew is in Ramadi. It is a hell hole there. He nearly bought it in an ambush not to long ago. A close marine friend of his did get it next to him when a remote control E.I.D., not to be confused with an I.U.D. :), went off. He moments before was in the same spot. The E.I.D. blew another Marine OVER a house into the street the next block over. Luckily, for that marine he just got a concussion. My nephew was scattered on the wrong side of a knoll and could read the label on the shirt of an insurgent. He killed a few, including a sniper. When I argue with Muslims over here, I like to brag to THEM that my nephew is killing Muslims!!!

Just got off the phone talking with him and I did let him know that I was only joking about him bringing me back an ear.

I want a head!!! :)

Posted by: Levi at November 22, 2006 5:45 PM

"" Levi lol yes. You'd be surprised how many Canadian conservatives there are up here. These are Canadians who are more like Canadians from the 40s when America and Canada were very close in worldview and shared traditional judeo-christian values. There are many of us (and we are not from the 40s either ""

Here Here!

I fear for the Future of Canada. I have so many friends here that i am trying to inform and enlighten about this threat who simply do not believe it exists on the scale that i tell them . If we don't stop being so politically correct and Liberal here in Canada and keep turning a blind eye to the Radical threat we are going to be just like Britain and France. overrun by extremists. there is still hope for us, i have faith.

Posted by: DUGGY at November 22, 2006 6:05 PM

Robert,

I know one of the people whom you are speaking about, Matoko/Jinnderella/sham etc. As her friend I have the unenviable task of reporting to you that she is in the full rapture of a recent conversion to Islam. I'm not saying becoming a muslim is a bad thing, just for someone like Matoko it is. She's an incredibly smart, though incredibly naive, individual. A person who takes fantasy stories, science fiction stories, and the myths of Islam seriously. I hope this clears up a lot of your fights with her, she just does not have a critical mind.

Posted by: Scorpius at November 22, 2006 7:55 PM

Scorpius,

It is the lack of critical thinking that allows Muslims to remain in the faith, or as in the case of your friend, to revert to it.

You might ask her what 'revert' means to Muslims.

To Muslims, the Qur'an represents God's literal, and eternally unchangeable word.

Here's a question she should consider; not one intended to cause her to leave Islam, but rather to understand that there is no unifying voice in Islam, and why I am opposed to Islam in the Unites States:

In Qur'an 5:33 God states:

"The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter."

Moderate Muslims might tell her that such troublesome passages were valid in the time and circumstances in which they were written. But the Taliban and other Muslim fundamentalists don't see it that way. And the Taliban did conduct such amputations.

Therein lies the avenue for her to exercise critical thinking skills, and ask herself:

What makes moderates right and fundamentalists wrong?

Posted by: PRCS at November 22, 2006 8:42 PM

Robert,

Your work and your huevos, your eloquence, your intellectual vigor and your martini-dry humor are a blessing to me and this nation.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

Oh, and as for driving 'em into the sea, well, what's wrong with that. Yessir I'm-so-fat, between his trysts with little boys, seemed to think it a pretty viable diplomatic philosophy.

Now, if we were to drive 'em into the sea in a Pugeot that might make the statement twice as good.

Posted by: a rational aversion at November 23, 2006 12:46 AM

Well, what is your position on Sal Fasano for the Al MVP?

Posted by: Martin Beauchamp at November 23, 2006 8:58 PM

Islam is a borderless nation, and Muslims are its citizens. That's like Israel is a borderless nation, and Jews its citizens. Also, similar to Greekness (Hellenism) derives from the Greek Orthodox.

Muslims are a race just as Jews. The Muslim race comprises of 1 billion Arab wanabees.

Almost every Muslim-majority country is racist because Islam teaches supremacy of the Muslim race.

Islam must be abolished just as Nazism was abolished.

Otherwise, Arabs (or Arab wanabees) will never be freed from their slavery.

Posted by: Gary at November 25, 2006 3:48 AM