Countdown to the Apocalypse starts now.

Posted by: scaramouoche at November 24, 2006 1:24 PM

"was legitimate because the Tor-M1 has a purely defensive role."

Defensive they say?,
The moslems claim that their jihad is defensive too.
The moslems are gonna defend themselves till all the Infidels are dead!
Thanks Russia, you make the ummah proud.

Posted by: Infidel_Dog at November 24, 2006 1:33 PM

The answer? Isolate and penalise Russia with sanctions. Just like the Middle East, they are economically dependent on trade relations with the civilised western world. And are they grateful? It seems Russia is choosing it's old Asiatic enmity towards Europe and the west when it should be uniting with the rest of Christendom against a common enemy.No way is Russia part of European or western consciousness. This cynical, greedy opportunism and these Machiavellian machinations on the part of Putin's administration are truly appalling and another contribution pushing us to the tragic abyss we are sliding into, much like Stalin's dealings with Hitler before World War II. The lack of humanity and corruption makes you want to weep.

Posted by: johndoe at November 24, 2006 1:37 PM

What's more, Bush should defy Russia if push comes to shove. Our very freedom is at stake here, and it doesn't help to be wimpish in relation to the Russians just because they have a nuclear arsenal. Kennedy called their bluff and Kruschev backed down. Bush must put his money where his mouth is otherwise we're all doomed.

Posted by: johndoe at November 24, 2006 1:42 PM

l cant wait for those iranian to toss back those rockets at the russians, with the help of the russian muslims!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 24, 2006 1:53 PM

This does not concern me. The Irianians are being suckers by paying good money for defensive systems that American equipment can effectively deal with. So the end result for Iran is that they are out the money, and their nuclear program is still vulnerable to destruction. Russia does this to generate cash. In fact, Russia would gladly build Iran a nuclear reactor knowing full well the Americans will destroy it and laugh all the way to the bank.

Russia is just in this for the money. It's a bankrupt country and they need whatever sales they can get. The American defense contractors then make money by selling the US government the systems needed to destroy the Russian systems. So everybody makes money and Iran still gets it in the end.

Stupid muslims. This is the price they pay for having a culture with no science or industry of their own. The Christian world can play them for the backward fools they are and repatriate some of those petrol dollars in the process.

Posted by: August22 at November 24, 2006 1:54 PM

Putin is an insane and a lunatic

Posted by: Arnie at November 24, 2006 1:55 PM

Haven't you heard?

George Galloway, CND, the Muslim Council of Britain, MPACUK, the Stop the War Coalition and dozens of other organisations are holding a huge rally in Trafalgar Square, London, tomorrow in protest at the Russians' actions.

Galloway and a host of others will be delivering speeches and there will be live music, street theatre and dance.

The event will climax with a fly-past of pigs over Westminster.

Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at November 24, 2006 2:00 PM

The Russian Gov't are Whores, they sell to anyone with money. they have no morality and absolutely no Humanity.

they are not our friends and they are aiding the Enemy of Mankind!.

Obviously they learned Nothing from Chechin MUSLIM terrorists .

they are arming their own Executioners .

Posted by: DUGGY at November 24, 2006 2:07 PM

Whats going on here

Russian exporter denies Tor air defense system supplies to Iran
20:02 | 24/ 11/ 2006

TEHRAN, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's state arms exporter denied Friday Russian media reports that Rosoboronexport has begun delivering Tor M1 air defense systems to Iran.

"We cannot confirm reports on the start of Tor M1 air defense system deliveries to Iran," a company representative in Iran told RIA Novosti.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061124/55969586.html

Posted by: infidel-k9 at November 24, 2006 2:19 PM

Well, I'm not going to get all upset about this. After all the TOR-M1 tank and air defense system is easily defeated. However, it is annoying that Russia continues to throw gasoline into the Mideast flames.

Perhaps the Russians can sell Israel the technology required to defeat the SAM's! I'm sure Russia has probably already approached them... They'd sell out their own mothers....

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 24, 2006 2:20 PM

infidel-k9

Yeah, I read that same report, also. But, I think it is typical Russian denial. The TOR-M1 deal has been in the makings for over a year now. And, it just seems like it has had enough time to gestate and give birth.

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 24, 2006 2:26 PM

Ooops, I meant to say "typical customer denial"

cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 24, 2006 2:29 PM

Wanna larf

Iran loses $120m in aircraft project with Ukraine

Iran has lost about 120m dollars in the IrAn-140 aircraft project but failed to achieve a desirable result, according to BBC Monitoring Service. The economic adviser of the Iranian embassy in Ukraine, Ali Akbar Mehrabi, told this to a Defense Express correspondent.

Only three aircraft have been assembled and another one is being assembled since the contract was signed 11 years ago. "Under the project, we should assemble 12 aircraft a year," Mehrabi said.

Posted by: shiva at November 24, 2006 2:34 PM

Quietly digging a bomb shelter....

Posted by: Karen at November 24, 2006 2:52 PM

Of course of Putin, George Bush noted:

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue. "I was able to get a sense of his soul. "He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said.

It seems Mr.Putin is not only interested in the "best interests" of his country, but that of Iran's also ?

Don't look for the US to do anything to stop Iran from getting the Nuke, we would then have to suffer Russia's ire and response. Making Iran the strong man in region has been the effect of our deposing Saddam. Regrettably George Bush is a lousy chess player ( not mention a bad judge of character), while Iraq rages in turmoil their neighbor is the real problem and always has been. Was Iran even figured in the equation in the war room before Bush's advisors recommended the move into Iraq ?
The President declared an Iranian nuke is not acceptable. He also has said they should be "isolated". Isolated from whom ? They won't be isolated from their friends the Russians who have all along and continue to help them obtain The Bomb. The UN will do nothing, they are anti-Israel and anti-US. They can't even stop Africans in Darfur from mass murdering, does anyone think they will stop Iran and the Russians ? The pivotal moment in history has passed, the players have already been lined up. Yet we have fools in the State Department and the US government who think diplomacy and endless negotiations can still rearrange the knights and the rooks on the chess board. Our enemies relish such naive notions. Russia has a hook in it's jaw.

http://highmindedlunacy.townhall.com/

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 24, 2006 3:39 PM

Tor-M1 eh?

As good as this system is against some modern-ish aircraft (F16 / Tornado GR4 / GR7) & cruise missiles, it still cannot hit what it cannot see. The chances of this system, even with its proximity based fuse, of taking down an F-117 are remote. Also, at high altitude its strike track record is not stunning.

Even though this system has good multiple strike capability the chances of this system intercepting a multi-warhead ICBM are even slimmer still. By the time an ICBM was in their airspace it would be too late no matter how many Tor-M1 systems (8 missiles per system) they threw at it - the ICBM would still be in their domain.

There are other Russian systems that would, if offered for sale to Iran, cause great concern - but given what the Russians know with regards to their war with Islam in Chechnya they are never likely to offer such hardware to an unstable, provocotive Islamic regime.

Posted by: albion at November 24, 2006 3:41 PM

Speaking to the Politburo in 1987, Gorbachev remarked:
"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep."

Gorbachev is not alone in his views. There are still forces in Russia (as well as China) who would love to see America brought down, and they are not oppossed to sleeping with our enemies to do it.

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 24, 2006 3:51 PM

The Regulator,

You know, I think all this coziness between Bush and Putin started when Bush first met Vlad "the Bear" Putin, and noticed that he (Putin) was wearing a cross.

I am convinced that this was a stunt by Putin to throw Bush off guard. And, it seems to have worked!!!

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 24, 2006 3:52 PM

Makes one wonder what ELSE Russia has done to help Iran. Russia's involvement is straight out of the Bible. I can barely tell the difference between news headlines and scripture any more.

Posted by: champ at November 24, 2006 4:13 PM

August22 said

Russia is just in this for the money.

With the attempt to cozy up to the jihadists, and with all the recent assassinations in Russia (the latest is of a former Russian spy who was reporting on Russian government involvement in a previous assassination), I think there is more to this than just money. I also think Bush's assessment of Putin as "straightforward and trustworthy" was a little off, and is putting us at increased risk.

TheRegulator said

Don't look for the US to do anything to stop Iran from getting the Nuke, we would then have to suffer Russia's ire and response.

At some point we have to stand up for our own defense, no matter who is threatening us. That point is getting closer.

Posted by: special_guest at November 24, 2006 4:19 PM

What a bang up job Russia is doing.

/sarc off

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 24, 2006 5:18 PM

@Mert
I think the Russians like it when they are underestimated. They are not stupid, quite the contrary it is the West who has been decieved. Obviously they don't give a rip what the US thinks of their handholding with the Iranians. Many say Russia is a dying nation, extremley low birth rates, very high abortion rate, drunkeness,health issues, dire economy, low life expectancy, HIV, suicide,disease..etc. When a nation is in death throws they can do some desperate things. And the Russian people are looking for a "savior", to bring back Russia as a Power.. Don't think Putin would not like to be Czar and renew Russia as a glorious world Power. Disabling the US in one way or another, financially, politically...is the goal. Has one thought of what would happen to the US economy if Iraq is lost to the Iranians who would then control all of Iraq's oil plus their own, and used it as a strangle hold ? Say what if Venezuala joined them and sold the US no oil...say what if the Iranians overthrew the Saudia government (or threatened them with thier new nuke) and took that oil too ? hmmm....

For those who not put much creedance in the Bible one might find these developments as banal. But as Champ noted:
"Makes one wonder what ELSE Russia has done to help Iran. Russia's involvement is straight out of the Bible. I can barely tell the difference between news headlines and scripture any more."

Knowing this and believing what Scripture says about Russia joining with Persia (Iran) and others to attack Israel,one can not then say Russia is playing. Russia is not playing. They are trying to align themselves with what they feel will be the winners in the future, with thier help. The overlaying in all of this is of course, Where is the United States ?

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 24, 2006 5:36 PM

Russian AND China are enemies of all free societies, right now they are just playing nice for the cameras. Putin is an evil man right up there with Iran's president, they are like brothers in arms. China, in the last 3 years has spent upwards of 100 billion beefing up thier military. They now have long range tanker refueling planes. What do you think they need those for? They are allies with Iran, for the time being anyway until Iran starts threating them. China bought the plans for our b2 bomber, and has been stalking our carrier battle groups in the gulf. This won't end well especially with the lame leaders of our country. Chances are if something is going to happen with China anyway it won't untill after the 2008 olympics.

Posted by: gaelen at November 24, 2006 5:38 PM

Sorry guys I have to go against the grain slightly on this one.

I do agree that Putin is a dick to sell these weapons to the Iranians, however his country is acting no different than the US, Britain, France etc.

Everyone is selling to someone they shouldn't, and being upset at Russia is like the kettle calling the pot black.

What is needed here is serious dialogue between the US, Russia and all western countries to suspend all arms sales to the mid east with the exception of Israel.

We need to stop arming Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, this is the real bullshit. The US is giving billions in arms to these fuckers and we all sit here and get upset with Russia?

Sorry, this needs to be changed and fast, they need to give more modern arms to Greece, and dismantle the F16 factory the US put in Turkey years ago. Then shore up the defences where they have been for the last 1400 years. Start sanctions on every Islamic state and then we'll get a start on dealing with this huge problem.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at November 24, 2006 5:51 PM

I think putin is a traitor for selling missles to iran i dont know why he is doing this but his a idiot if he doest think that iran wont give those weapons to turks or chechens but also I see lots of hypocrasy on here your all going on how bad russia is for helping iran but at one time the west supported jihadist to fight against the russians so why the double standards now ?

The point is its not just russia who wants to support those jihadist also the west is guilty of the same thing by selling weapons to countries like Turkey and supporting albanians against christians dont try and pretend it isnt true the west and russia are both as bad as each other

Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 24, 2006 6:25 PM

Russia is just still pissy over the whole cold war ass whoopin they were handed.
Hold Russia responsible for any use of those rockets!

From article:
“….was legitimate because the Tor-M1 has a purely defensive role.”

So what exactly is the Russian government saying? Sides have been chosen!

From article:
“ITAR-TASS reported that the rockets were to be deployed around Iran's nuclear sites, including the still incomplete, Russian-built atomic power station at Bushehr.”

Screw Iraq, let’s arm all the denominations (Sunni-Shitties) and leave. Russia has wanted a piece of the USA for some time, lets give it to them! And Iran would be a stroll in the park, Just icing on the cake. In fact, let’s just let Israel do it for fun

Posted by: weekendhammerman at November 24, 2006 6:28 PM

@gaelen

Yes indeed. But many in the West do not heed these warning signs because we arrogantly think we the US are so big and bad that we cannot possibly ever be brought down, by anyone. Some here laugh at the prospect of the Russians messing with us, well they obviously are not afraid of us, anymore, that should be obvious. Funny the two big military powers in the world that eveyone is in awe of , the US and Israel have just been beaten down or conceded by tiny entities. Israel and the crap in Lebanon, they could (well would not is a better word) not take out Hezzballah, and the US will look a fool in Iraq in a short time when we end up crying to the Syrians and Iranians to *help* us withdraw or who knows what concession we will make with them. And we aren't the only ones with nukes, Russia has them and China has them. But I think financial ruin by cutoff oil may be our swan song.

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 24, 2006 6:32 PM

Well, it appears that Russia is coming into the WTO, and this doesn't look good for their portfolio to say the least. With the Ex KGB being poisoned to death, one could only wonder what other commodities they have to offer to the world? Never trust a Russian!

Posted by: Jeff at November 24, 2006 7:03 PM

"Russia has tested a ballistic missile that would render the United States Star Wars scheme useless, a U.S. expert has said.

The SS-27 Topol-M mobile ballistic missile It is too fast to hit right after takeoff unless the interceptor is lucky enough to be really close to the launch pad, former arms inspector in Iraq Scott Ritter reportedly told Business Week.

According to Ritter, who in the past correctly concluded that Baghdad had no weapons of mass destruction, the SS-27 is hardened against lasers, so the U.S. defense system’s airborne laser —- a program that is already behind schedule —- wouldn’t work. And because the missile is maneuverable and capable of releasing three warheads and four decoys, it would be much harder to defeat as it falls in the terminal stage of flight."

These missles have been deployed!

Posted by: frodnum at November 24, 2006 7:47 PM

This is an interesting article. Russia selling missile technology, nuclear technology to iran should not come as a surprise to anyone. The russian mafia would sell anything to anyone for a price.

Russia needs to keep in mind, Chechynia.

All I have to say to the Russians is this, what goes around =comes around. Payback is such a bitch!

Posted by: callmeinfidel at November 24, 2006 7:50 PM

The Russians have always been and always will be treacherous. When the ballon goes up they should be, perhaps will be, remembered. Putin is a KGB thug..nothing else. Whatever bush saw when he looked at Putin, it wasn't someone he could work with. I wish their women were not so good looking.

Posted by: pismopal at November 24, 2006 9:01 PM

And all of this is happening under the nose of the UN. I will borrow Joe Gehr's words from the Terrorist's Nightmare blog - www.TechnonLLC.com/blog - and say: "Kofi go home, you failed!"

Posted by: Joe at November 25, 2006 12:53 AM

The Cold War is NOT over. It has taken a different twist and turn. "The leopard
doesn't change its spots"

Arafat was a pawn of Russia.

Russia was in Iraq right before
we invaded.

I could go on and on, but the
simple fact is Russia wants
us to think the Cold War is
over and we have been lulled
into a false sense of security.

The Arabs are too stupid to do
anything without the help of Russia.

To prove my point, what technological
impact have the Arabs made over the
course of history.

Posted by: learjet0450 at November 25, 2006 8:11 AM

The world is going to hell in a handbasket, I swear. I also swear that Russia (particularly Vladimir 'the Impaler' Putrid) is the deliverer of that handbasket.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 27, 2006 1:52 PM

Greek Gurl: The west was not being hypocritical by aiding Afghanistan in the 1970s for the simple reason that Russia had no right to be there at that time. As a sovereign nation (Islamic or not) Afghanistan had the same rights all other sovereign nations had. Any nation has the right to defend itself against unwarranted invasions. However, the west should have realized that Afghanistan would never pay the west back in any positive way (and it hasn't).

In addition, Communism was, and remains, a totalitarian ideology that is almost as brutal as Islam is. The world didn't need Communism expanding through conquest then or now, either.

With Islam or Communism there are never any good options. You should know that by now.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 27, 2006 2:03 PM

pythagoras

Greek Gurl: The west was not being hypocritical by aiding Afghanistan in the 1970s for the simple reason that Russia had no right to be there at that time. As a sovereign nation (Islamic or not) Afghanistan had the same rights all other sovereign nations had. Any nation has the right to defend itself against unwarranted invasions. However, the west should have realized that Afghanistan would never pay the west back in any positive way (and it hasn't).

well if the russia had no right to be in afganistan because it was a soveriegn nation then what the hell is the USA doing there and the uk what right do you have to be in afganistan then if russia was not?

Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 27, 2006 6:15 PM