Yes, these so called Iraqi police watched as four people were burned alive. Hell on Earth, just like Gaza and anywhere these vermin express themselves.

Posted by: Briars at November 24, 2006 9:10 PM

Wild animals don't even soil their own living area's, not so the Muslims.

Posted by: TheRegulator at November 24, 2006 9:11 PM

The Mosques are on fire, oh my!

Give me a break! Let 'em burn down all the dang mosques. When they burn down churches, no one seems to care, but a mosque! Now that gets reported. What a bunch of crap!

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 24, 2006 9:11 PM

I guess at this point we need to root for the Sunnis.

Posted by: limes at November 24, 2006 9:12 PM

Diplomacy involving Syria and Iran, which Washington says back militants in Iraq, has raised some hopes. But many question whether any leadership can control the fear and hatred that has taken root in Iraq's heavily armed civilian population.
-from Rueters

When has Syria and Iran ever been involved in diplomacy especially when they're backing the Shia devils? Lert the Saudi's stand for thier Sunni ilk. Bring our soldiers home. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Briars at November 24, 2006 9:19 PM

I root for whoever kill more!

As long as the US doesn't promise to 'rebuild' the mosques again, like they used to...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 24, 2006 10:47 PM

I guess at this point we need to root for the Sunnis. by Limes

I was watching the South Carolina-Florida game and my wife asked me who I was rooting for. I replied that I wanted them both to lose.

That sums up my attitude toward a Sunni-Shiite war.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 24, 2006 11:06 PM

Sunnis vs Shiites = Yankees vs. Atlanta Braves from the perspective of a Mets fan :-) Too bad they can't both lose at the same time. In case of sunni/Shiites they actually CAN :-)

Posted by: germaninamerica at November 24, 2006 11:11 PM

The Mosques are on fire, oh my!

Give me a break! Let 'em burn down all the dang mosques. When they burn down churches, no one seems to care, but a mosque! Now that gets reported. What a bunch of crap!

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog

So true!! Maybe Bush wants to give them money to fix those mosks back up. Just like the Golden-domed one he sent them our tax dollars to fix. Why can't the SOWdis pay for fixing those mosks? That way they'll have less money left over to bribe our "leaders" and to establish Madrassas everywhere.

Posted by: germaninamerica at November 24, 2006 11:13 PM

When has Syria and Iran ever been involved in diplomacy especially when they're backing the Shia devils? Lert the Saudi's stand for thier Sunni ilk. Bring our soldiers home. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Briars

Sounds good to me!!! Mission accomplished indeed!!! Let the whole place go up in flames!!!!

GOODBYE, Middle East!!!!

And good riddance. :-)

Posted by: germaninamerica at November 24, 2006 11:15 PM

The mosques are on fire! And I thought that only troubling news was posted on JW.

Posted by: champ at November 24, 2006 11:32 PM

Iraq Ups the Ante 'Sunni Iraqis burned alive'
Grandmothers Out of Control!
The Israelis finger on the trigger?
Turkish Muslim wants Pope to say Islam peaceful

These are some of the same stories that Spencer covered with different slant, and lots of pictures, please come by I need your support to get the word out. I needs your hits to move the page up and make message more accesible worldwide
we ARE making a difference
thanks

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Posted by: Cyberray at November 24, 2006 11:40 PM

Hoping for sunnis to win?

I am just waiting for Ohio State to be crowned the champ and folks are asking about the sunnis. Give me a break!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 24, 2006 11:45 PM

Folks, we are seeing the start of a major civil war. If there is a civil war, get the solders OUT.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 24, 2006 11:47 PM

I am just waiting for Ohio State to be crowned the champ and folks are asking about the sunnis. Give me a break!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

They still have to play UM one more time befor that :-) don't count the chickens...

Posted by: germaninamerica at November 24, 2006 11:52 PM

Sunni Muslim : " My Allah is greater than your Allah!"

Shiite Muslim: " Oh yeah , I'll kill you to prove my Allah is greater than Your Allah"

Insanity Reigns in the Muslim world. it's not enough to be Muslim , you have to be the right kind of Muslim.Allah would be proud.

Posted by: DUGGY at November 24, 2006 11:54 PM

I am home on vacation (my semi-annual pilgrimage to the Land of Ribs and Beer).

My mother is watching the news: "What is wrong with these people?"

Shrug. "Mom, they're Muslims."

Posted by: jay at November 25, 2006 12:41 AM

Guess we have to write Iraq off and others will follow the same fate soon.

The American & Allies intervention in Iraq is causing us to realize that the self inflicted cancer in the islamic world has spread all over their nations and the cancerous metastases try now to get hold of the rest of the world.

Islam is close to be finished, but we have to continue to resist this evil.

Posted by: Arnie at November 25, 2006 12:47 AM

Well I guess they now know the feeling of how we Christians feel when muslims destroy our churches.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 25, 2006 1:16 AM

ot mr spencer could you do what jim baen at baen books just did and set up his online sales of his books so that peaple like my selfwha are blind and disabled vets are able to down load copies of the books in a electronic e book format we have to provide proof were disabled to get the books for free presonaly i would love to be able to read your books but i cant read print any longer and have to use ebooks so my jaws screen reader can read them to me . could you please consider some thing like this foe disabled vets and disabled readers of jihad watch thanks jim n7gpd@telus.net

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 25, 2006 1:24 AM

ot mr spencer could you do what jim baen at baen books just did and set up his online sales of his books so that peaple like my selfwha are blind and disabled vets are able to down load copies of the books in a electronic e book format we have to provide proof were disabled to get the books for free presonaly i would love to be able to read your books but i cant read print any longer and have to use ebooks so my jaws screen reader can read them to me . could you please consider some thing like this foe disabled vets and disabled readers of jihad watch thanks jim n7gpd@telus.net

islamakapigeaters,

do you use firefox? if not install it. There's also an extention that reads for you any open website.

Posted by: Arnie at November 25, 2006 1:56 AM

Let the good times roll
Let the good times roll
Let the good times roll
Let the good times roll

Posted by: shiva at November 25, 2006 1:58 AM

Hey guys,

This is OT but good news. Nadia Eweida just won her case against British Airways not allowing her to where her cross to work. BA backed down and theirs all kinds of attention being paid to it. Would someone here please e-mail this to Robert or Hugh, as my e-mail has some sort of block on it and I can't get it to them. Thanks!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=418498&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2006 2:00 AM

Sorry, that's "wear" her cross to work. I need to go to bed.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2006 2:01 AM

I'm going off topic, and a bit trivial. A couple of months ago over at Amazon.com I posted a five-star review of Robert Spencer's The Truth about Muhammad. Just recently Amazon removed the review, although more than 430 people had clicked a button indicating the review "helpful." Only about 30 people clicked the "unhelpful" button. So I wondered why Amazon had removed the review.

A brief email inquiry to Amazon yielded two responses, the main one from a "Pavan" and another from "Farheen Muskaana." Despite the partial accuracy of what Pavan says about the reasons Amazon removed the review, I wonder if it was in fact removed for other reasons -- for example, if Muslims complained about it. But since I wrote the review, perhaps I'm biased. Both Pavan's explanatory letter and the review in question follow below. See what you think:

From Pavan:

Thank you for writing to Amazon.com.
I have read your recent review of "The Truth About
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion". Your review was found to violate our Review Guidelines. Our review forum is not intended for comments directed at, or about other customers.

Your comments focused on a customer and were more
suited for a discussion forum.

Also, your comments in large part focused on your
personal opinions of the subject matter, rather than reviewing this item.

We provide our customer reviews section for you to
comment on the merits of the title and the writing style. We ask that you not use it as a place for a discussion of the subject matter. As such, your review cannot be posted on Amazon.com in its current format. What I can suggest is that you resubmit your review, restricting your comments to critically analyzing the content of the item...

While we appreciate your opinions on the subject,
the intent of customer reviews is to assist our customers in making an informed purchase decision.

Please understand that we wholeheartedly support the right to free speech. Our intention is to make the customer review forum a place for commentary and feedback about titles.

Now here is the review that Amazon removed:

Subject Line: Robert Spencer Writes Responsibly, Scrupulously, And Brilliantly. Date: September 25, 2006.

Anyone who is trying to be objective owes this book a read. Notice
that the critical reviewers below never get around to specifying any
actual innaccuracy in it. It's hard to do because Robert Spencer
uses only the sources considered essential by Muslims themselves.

And The Truth about Muhammad scrupulously avoids hyperbole or
insult. That avoidance is consistent with what one has come to
expect from Spencer, who has repeatedly demonstrated in past debates
that he is polite to a fault and motivated by positive concern,
never animus. He is a mild-mannered reporter who sticks close to
facts and sources and is wary of the overly broad brush
generalization. Yet the subtitle of his book is not a timid one.
Is Islam really the world's most intolerant religion?

The blogger Fjordman recently wrote:"In Denmark, linguist Tina
Magaard concludes that Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting
to a far greater degree than the original texts of other religions.
She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication
from the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research
project comparing the original texts of ten religions. [Says
Magaard:] 'The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts
of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against
people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree. There are
also straightforward calls for terror. This has long been a taboo in
the research into Islam, but it is a fact we need to deal with.'"

As Islamists carry out violent attacks in Thailand, in the
Philippines, in Sudan, in Russia, in Britain, in Spain, and around
the world, we need to ask how it is that Islamist terror is so much
more common than any other kind. If, as apologists for Islam claim,
Islamist terror is based on a distortion of Islam, what is it about
Islam that makes it so prone to that "distortion"?

The reviewer below who mentions the Crusades implies Islam is no
different from other religions when it comes to intolerance and
violence. He neglects to mention that Islam had been attacking and
conquering vast swaths of the Christian world for several centuries
before the Crusades, ugly as they sometimes became, arose as a
defensive response. Within a century of Muhammad's death Islam had
conquered all of north Africa, part of Spain, and was pushing into
France. To the east, it had driven all the way to India. The jihad
would continue for several more centuries before Christians mounted
a defensive response.

For anyone who cares about living in a democratic social order with
freedom of religion and belief, and who is concerned about the
potential for the spread of Islamic law into Europe and beyond as
the Muslim population grows rapidly through immigration and high
birth rates, this book is an essential addition to your library.
Read it even if only to have an intelligent basis on which to
disagree with it. Be informed about the work of a man whose
reporting is increasingly influential among many of the elite
decision-makers in the United States.

Posted by: traeh at November 25, 2006 2:05 AM

Correction: Farheen Muskaan, not Farheen Muskaana

Posted by: traeh at November 25, 2006 2:07 AM

Aaaah... the religion of peace strikes again!

It still amazes me that people can be so blind to the truth, that they don't see the fact that islam is straight from the pits of hell!!!

Muslims think committing suicide is the greatest thing they can do!

So, why don't they do all non-muslims a huge favour and commit mass suicide!
e.g. they can gather in one place, like mecca and explode a couple of nuclear bombs on themselves.

Then they can all depart straight to hell, which is where they are all heading anyway, and join muhammed and satan in the lake of fire for eternity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: DiscipleofJesusChrist at November 25, 2006 2:34 AM

No Disciple, since Islam is of Satan and Satan hates our guts, they've got to try and take us with them or it's no good. It's interesting, I read once that Satan hates women because they can produce life and he can't. Perhaps this is why women fair so badly in the Satanic religion of Islam.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 25, 2006 2:52 AM

Isabella, that's an interesting theory, and perhaps it actually is why muslims hate women so much? Where did up read it by the way?

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 25, 2006 3:01 AM

up = you...

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 25, 2006 3:01 AM

Muslims at their best!

How can there be any doubt that Islam is the religion of evil. Allah is Satan.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm

Posted by: cinerx at November 25, 2006 3:01 AM

I'd love to see both the Sunnis ans Shiites abandon the death cult Islam and convert to Christinity.
However, as my plea is likely to fall on deaf ears, I'd like to wish both sides the best of luck and may the best death cult win.
Knowing Islam, we are likely to see plenty of kicking, gouging, butting, biting, and blows below the belt.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 25, 2006 5:29 AM

Lert the Saudi's stand for thier Sunni ilk. Bring our soldiers home. Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Briars at November 24, 2006 09:19 PM

. but in dubya's twisted world, 'we fight them there so we don't have to fight them here.' Yea, right like CAIR, ACLU, MAS, ISNA are not training the next set of jihadis here.. and Einstine, war or no war in Iraq, your guest workr program is gonna bring jihadis 'so we have to fight them here' like bees over honey. Oh let me think what youur excuse will be....... 'we cannot blame all the hard-working, honest and family-based workers for a few bad apples.. yep that pretty much takes care of the guest-jihadi-program.

Posted by: Alert at November 25, 2006 5:59 AM

traeh:

After reading your and other reviews of the book, I cannot understand why yours was removed. I thought everything you wrote was relevant to reviewing the book and didn't stray any farther from discussing the book than many of the other reviews. On the other hand, I don't see any evidence of political bias on Amazon's part as many of the reviews are very positive of the book and more negative of Islam than yours was. Your review had a significantly higher "helpful" rating than any other review for this book so it is very odd that they would choose yours to remove.

Maybe somebody had a banning quota? :p

Posted by: Spirit093 at November 25, 2006 6:29 AM

Pelayo is on to something:

"I was watching the South Carolina-Florida game and my wife asked me who I was rooting for. I replied that I wanted them both to lose.

That sums up my attitude toward a Sunni-Shiite war."

Pelayo you jog us to an insight that perhaps could use a little tweaking. In the war and fight between Shia and Sunnite you want them both to win!

Posted by: David England at November 25, 2006 6:41 AM

Could we see Iraq go the way of Yugoslavia?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 25, 2006 6:43 AM

Could we see Iraq go the way of Yugoslavia?

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

My guess is we'll shortly see a U.S. and allies withdrawal from Iraq, followed by a Shiite invasion of Iraq, and a Hezbollah takeover in Lebanon.
Seriously, the Sunnis are so decadent I can't see them offering much long term resistance to the Shiites and likely we'll see a Shiite caliphate ruling over a Shiite Middle East within a few years.
The U.S. will mobilize to protect those 'best of friends' the Saudis.
Russia and China will back Iraq, Iran, Syria and Lebanon.
Then will follow WW3 and a Russian/Communist invasion of Europe, aided by the Islamic fifth column planted all those years ago and fostered by communist Western traitors ever since.

Then, we are all screwed, or so the Godless architects of this pile of crap would hope...except there is a God and he is not mocked.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 25, 2006 7:03 AM

off topic but the VP Cheny has gone to Saudi Arabia to find outif they can quell the sunni tribespeople. in Iraq. l think he needs to read this site and Robert's books and some posters who have actually fought over in the middle east!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 25, 2006 7:15 AM

In the war and fight between Shia and Sunnite you want them both to win!

Posted by: David England at November 25, 2006 06:41 AM

I want neither. I want a fight to finish!

Posted by: Alert at November 25, 2006 7:23 AM

Traeh - finding it hard to see what amazon objected to in your review. Their explanation doesn't seem to stack up with your review, somehow...

Posted by: Alex at November 25, 2006 7:41 AM

Alert:

"I want neither. I want a fight to finish!"

How would you have the fight finish? Sunnite and Shiia Islam have escalated a cycle of murder since the Sunite tribal elders killed Ali; murdered his followers and sold their wives and children into slavery. The fight has lasted over 1000 years! Both sides say it will not end until it achieves martyrdom or death. Unfortunately, wanting the fight to finish is not a realistic expectation. I am not opposed to praying for peace, but I would not put my security in blind faith of the goodwill or goodness of Sunnite and Shiia to end a fight.

Posted by: David England at November 25, 2006 7:42 AM

Maybe it's just what the European Left says: The Shi'a and Sunni are ruthlessly massacring each other in Iraq, because they're both angry over what Israel has done to the Palestinians? :-)

Posted by: Steven L. at November 25, 2006 8:14 AM

Mike_W - you sound like an 'end-of-timer'.

Only thing is you forgot to mention the appearance of the hidden imam and the second coming of christ.

Get a grip. Jihad is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, not an excuse to indulge in tin foil-hatted defeatism.

Posted by: Alex at November 25, 2006 8:21 AM

Get a grip. Jihad is a serious issue that needs to be addressed, not an excuse to indulge in tin foil-hatted defeatism.

Posted by: Alex

So Alex, do you have any opinion where this is headed or will you be happy to simply react to every eventuality in stunned surprise.
Try pretending you are a chess player anticipating future moves...what in your opinion will those moves be and who is the Grandmaster in the Jihad chess automaton, 'The Turk'?
Somnehow I doubt it's Harry Pillsbury.
As for my being a defeatist, I believe God and the truth cannot ultimately be defeated.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 25, 2006 8:37 AM

So Alex, do you have any opinion where this is headed or will you be happy to simply react to every eventuality in stunned surprise.
Try pretending you are a chess player anticipating future moves...what in your opinion will those moves be and who is the Grandmaster in the Jihad chess automaton, 'The Turk'?
Somnehow I doubt it's Harry Pillsbury.
As for my being a defeatist, I believe God and the truth cannot ultimately be defeated.

Posted by: Mike

I think it's a little premature to start predicting WW3, and somewhat naieve and simplistic to think that 'God and the truth' will win out. They didn't win out in Yugoslavia or Somalia, and they sure aren't winning out in Darfur right now.

I think it unlikely that Iran's advances will continue unhalted. I also think that we're a whole long way away from WW3, as fun as that sounds.

There are steps that need to be taken to confront jihad- I suggest that self-indulgent eschatological navel-gazing is not an appropriate one.

Best,
Alex

Posted by: Alex at November 25, 2006 8:57 AM

I think it's a little premature to start predicting WW3, and somewhat naieve and simplistic to think that 'God and the truth' will win out.

Posted by: Alex

bigcatgirl13106 asked for opinion and I gave mine based on my perception of the current state of affairs and my opinion of future likely future events.
Sorry, I can't sugar coat the current state of affairs...they are grim, especially the division in the West, thanks to Gramscian cultural warfare waged against the West by Communism for the last 50 years.

If you have a more optimistic opinion of what the future holds then please let us know.
I'd love to hear it.

In my opinion, we need to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
And part of preparing for the worst is to analyze worst case scenarios.

In my opinion God and truth will win out regardless of whether you consider that to be 'naive and simplistic'.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 25, 2006 9:31 AM

"If you have a more optimistic opinion of what the future holds then please let us know.
I'd love to hear it."

I suspect Israel, and quite possibly the US, will step up to the plate before your Iranian-Syrian caliphate has a chance to come into being. Not particularly optimistic as far as viewpoints go, admittedly.

Posted by: Alex at November 25, 2006 10:00 AM

What do you get when you put a peaceful Sunni and a peaceful Shi'ite together in the same room?

Death.

Posted by: champ at November 25, 2006 8:37 PM

....and no winners.

Posted by: champ at November 25, 2006 8:37 PM

spiritO93 and alex:
Maybe the comments on the review got Muslims angry: There were like 27 comments responding to the review. Some of the 27 were of course critical of the review, and a few of the 27 were my responses to those critics.

My responses seem to have silenced the critics; or at any rate they never tried to respond to my responses. In part this shows how difficult it is for Islam apologists to argue on Islam's behalf: they have the almost impossible task of whitewashing a 1400 year-old totalitarian project. Maybe these people, who didn't want to argue further with me, finally decided to start threatening and complaining to Amazon about "hate speech" or some such thing, though my answers were all moderate in content and tone. But since my review (like many reader reviews at Amazon) did not perfectly follow the guidelines, my infractions could be used as an excuse for Amazon to pull the review.

Lesson learned for debates, in whatever context, about Islam: one must do one's best to follow all the rules to the letter and be error free (Spencer is an amazing example in that regard), so that wishy-washy moderators can find no legitimate excuses to squash you when Muslims threaten and complain.

Posted by: traeh at November 26, 2006 1:31 AM

Mike_W and Alex:
As sometimes happens, those who disagree are both correct, but in different contexts.

Mike_W said truth and God will ultimately win out, and Alex disagreed. But everything depends on what Mike meant by "ultimately." If Mike meant that truth and God must ultimately win out in some particular earthly situation, for example if Mike thinks it guaranteed that God and truth will definitely defeat Shari'a in Europe, or if Mike thinks some other specific earthly scenario is guaranteed by God and truth, I would say Mike was mistaken, and Alex was right to disagree with him.

On the other hand I would say Mike is correct if all he meant was that "in the long run" or "ultimately" God and Truth will win out, since the "long run" merely means anything short of infinity. The "long run" can be an incredibly long time. And I think it's true that eventually truth and God must win out -- it might take a hundred, or ten thousand or a million years, or even the end of time itself for a particular untruth or evil to be defeated, long after everything we know of is long gone -- but eventually truth and God always do win out. If that is all Mike meant, then I suppose he is right. So the debate on this point between Mike and Alex seems to depend on what was meant by "ultimately."

Posted by: traeh at November 26, 2006 2:04 AM

So the debate on this point between Mike and Alex seems to depend on what was meant by "ultimately."

Posted by: traeh

Of course there can be no guarantees about exactly what God has planned as noone knows the mind of God.
Even Jesus said that no-one but God the Father knows the time of the end days.(Mathew 34:36)
I don't believe we are witnessing the 'end days' just yet.
According to Christian tradition a few things have to happen first, such as the appearance of the antichrist for example.

I'd love 'ultimately' in this case to mean that everything will work out okay in the short term but I don't believe it will.
We are in for a rough time.

Still, we need to have faith in ultimate triumph of good and God and we in the West need to rediscover those Judeo-Christian traditions that served us so well for so long.
Perhaps some pain will lead us to that rediscovery.

Posted by: Mike_W at November 26, 2006 3:59 AM