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Why, conservative Roman Catholics, Freemasons and U.S. intelligence services, of course. Who else? "Turkey prepares clampdown ahead of pope," by Selcan Hacaoglu for Associated Press, with thanks to Doc Washburn:
ISTANBUL, Turkey - If Turkish security authorities needed a reminder of the challenge posed by Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Turkey this week, Ibrahim Ak delivered it when he fired a pistol outside the Italian consulate in Istanbul and shouted that he wanted to strangle the pope with his bare hands."God willing, this will be a spark, a starter for Muslims ... God willing, he will not come. If he comes, he will see what will happen to him," the 26-year-old Turk told the TV cameras as he was led away in handcuffs.
The Nov. 2 incident ended without injuries, and nothing like it has happened since, but authorities are braced for trouble and have mobilized an army of snipers, bomb disposal experts and riot police, as well as navy commandos to patrol the Bosporus Straits flowing through Istanbul.
Benedict's four-day visit to this overwhelmingly Muslim nation begins Tuesday under the shadow of his September speech in which he quoted a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."
Like the rest of the Islamic world, many in this 99 percent Muslim nation are angry and want a fuller apology than Benedict's statement of regret for having caused offense.
Predicting big street protests, authorities plan to close several areas of Istanbul to traffic and are preparing lists of residents living in those neighborhoods.
Felicity, a pro-Islamic opposition party, is calling for a massive protest in Istanbul Sunday, before the pope arrives.
"If this trip would have occurred under normal conditions, then these lands, the center of tolerance and love, would show the necessary hospitality to him," it said in a statement. "But we don't want to see him on our soil because of the remarks he made about Islam's Prophet Muhammad on Sept. 12 and for not apologizing afterward."
"The center of tolerance and love." Yeah, I'm feeling it now.
Benedict will visit Istanbul, Izmir and Ankara, the capital. Istanbul, when it was named Constantinople, was the capital of Byzantine-era Christianity, but Christians are a tiny minority in modern Turkey, feel deprived of their rights and are expected to urge the pope to come to their defense....
They "feel" deprived of their rights. See, it's just a bad feeling on their part. Nothing to be concerned about, right, AP?
A recent Turkish thriller, "Plot Against the Pope" by Yucel Kaya carries the subtitle "Who will kill the pope in Istanbul?" Its conspiracy theory ties the assassination into a plot by conservative Roman Catholics, Freemasons and U.S. intelligence services to attack Iran, Turkey's eastern neighbor.
Posted by Robert at November 25, 2006 3:03 PM
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I pray nothing happens, but if something does...we are on the brink........
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at November 25, 2006 3:28 PM
StillFedUp,
Yeah, I cracked up on, "the center of tolerance and love," also!
You can't beat these guys for their sense of ironic humor!
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 25, 2006 3:39 PM
If an Islamic fanatic does assassinate Pope Benedict in Turkey, some liberal Muslim defender will say that the pope's statements in Regensburg were the reasons he was murdered, i.e. he caused the anger which killed him. Therefore, his assassin needs to be understood as having been pushed into murder by the victim, and thus should be dealt with leniently.
Posted by: MikeB52 at November 25, 2006 3:39 PM
Frankly, I think the Pope will be well protected. Yes, even by the Turkish authorities. They want EU membership too badly to mess up on this one.
Posted by: RerumNovarum at November 25, 2006 3:46 PM
Nah....they'll just blame the americans.
Posted by: gaelen at November 25, 2006 3:51 PM
ALERT TROLL MARYAM ("Im a devout English muslim" and I do not believe what you say about Islam) is on the suicide bomber 'Ahmed' bomber thread right now giving americaningermany a hard time. Im helping out come out and check it out at:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014168.php#comments
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 25, 2006 3:57 PM
i nearly choked myself laughing at "the center of tolerance and love" idea, but i cannot help feeling that the Pope is deliberately exposing himself to danger for one very good reason: to end any chance of EU admission for at least a generation.
his Regensburg address only gently prodded the beast, but it reacted immediately, and now he will go into the den.
i am not a Catholic, but i think this Pope is a very brave man, and i hope that he will succeed.
at November 25, 2006 4:09 PM
I guess I want to give a firm warning to the Muslim world...
If any harm happens to the Pope during his visit to Turkey then your people will be set back 100 years. People in the west will not forget or forgive.
You must keep your wackos under control. People in the west do not hate Muslims. Heck we do not want to dislike you. But the worst case happens then we will have to read the writing on the wall and finally come to grips that we cannot co-exist as civiliztions within the same sphere of infulence.
You will give us a good reason not to trust you anymore.
So my brothers in all religions please be aware GOD does not stand back and just watch. GOD is everywhere all the time. GOD gave you a life. Don't disrespect GOD by killing what he created.
Enough religion now. So here is what I am saying.
If something bad should happen:
1. End of the Internet for you.
2. End of any modern conviences.
3. End of visiting the west.
4. No Muslim religion in the west
5. Complete support of Israel even by countries that are not currently friendly with Israel.
6. Securing of oil fields by the west. This means not revenue for development of countries in the middle east.
7. I could go on and on but you get the picture.
How to stop all this....
All moderate Muslims stand up to these fanatics. Put them in their place. We constantly do the same to ours.
In my 30 plus years attending Catholic churh never once have I heard any talk against Muslims or other religions. We always try to see GOD's work in everything. Modern Christians aren't afraid of science. We see GOD's laws that created them. So we are in awe of GOD's complexity.
To the people of this message board. We can complain and find fault with the current Muslim attitude, but I would like to suggest from this point forward that some of you take it on yourselves to suggest positive solutions.
Remember WWII. After 50 million people were killed we all finally came around to having peace.
If you know that after war is peace as it has always been make suggestions and/or take action to keep peace and avoid war.
Posted by: Mekoots at November 25, 2006 4:20 PM
As a student of history I can only say...
Archduke Franz Ferdinand
Sarajevo
Jun 28th 1914
We know the rest of the story.....
at November 25, 2006 4:33 PM
"Does anyone believe there will be serious backlash if a muslim Turk kills the Pope?"
Posted by: americaningermany
------
I'm guessing a new Crusade, what about you?
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 25, 2006 4:36 PM
The Zionists and the Rotary Club!
Posted by: Beagle at November 25, 2006 4:45 PM
I depends what you classify as wishful thinking.
You may be of the group that if you had a mountain to climb, you would believe that you are a loser if you didn't make it to the top. Whereas I am from the school that even if you only make it half way you will be closer to the goal than someone who never started at all.
I'm not a Polly Anna. All of the worlds' problems can't be solved by beautiful thinking, BUT, some of them can be solved.
A guy from Mexico once told me. You Americans only think in Black and White, whereas we see in shades of gray. I believe both viewpoints have their validity.
I know what will happen if things go to far. And if they do YOUR life will be affected drastically.
It's like your car that's low on oil. Do you wait till it's totally dry and the engine siezes up before you do something. No! You add oil.
The oil that each of us adds to civilization can appear in many ways. Helping some little old lady with her groceries. Posting on an Islamic website positive points of view, maybe discussing with them how to turn down the rhetoric. There are many ways.
Posted by: Mekoots at November 25, 2006 4:45 PM
Mekoots:
Agreed. Enough talk and discussion. There should be an element on this site of action to be taken against Islamism and the tools needed to do it.
1) In the US so called Muslim dialogue must be confronted with the purpose of exposing the intent of the "moderate Muslim". Ideological Crusaders must enter the discussions armed with quotations, sources, Mohammedian examples of hate induced scripture and applicable examples of the relationship of Jihad throughout the world. Inter Faith get togethers are a perfect setting for this.
2) A Robert Spencer like composure must be displayed at all times. PC local press will be quick to present a "crazy or bigoted" point of view of our examples.
3)A public alliance of anti- Jihad like thinkers must get together in all areas from Maine to California to organize our attack.
Just a few thoughts.
Posted by: Briars at November 25, 2006 4:55 PM
How old is Benedict? He has largely completed his life's work; written extensively on Christian doctrine and values; he is more than cognizant of the harsh way Islam has dealt with -- continues to deal with -- minority Christians in Muslim-dominated lands; and he clearly understands -- as his good friend and colleague Father Joseph Fessio implied recently in an interview -- that Islam is beyond reform. So how can he best serve as a catalyst for favorable change in the world? What is the one sacrifice he can make to bring about a new enlightenment, a widespread recognition of the abomination that is Islam?
Posted by: Charles Martel at November 25, 2006 5:00 PM
What the heck is the Pope doing going to Turkey? There are a few Catholics there, but aren't most, nearly all, Christians there Orthodox? What is Benedict going to accomplish? Make new friends?
The best thing the West can do for Turkey is to reclaim it.
Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 25, 2006 5:11 PM
STILLFEDUP thanks for showing up and to the rest of you at the other thread our muslim troll guest seems to have fallen quiet for the moment. She's in england and thats what 6 hours ahead of EST standard US time I think.
STILLFEDUP I once read a book on rogue secret sevice cells in the govt of former red states which sometimes act against the main bodies wishes but the y do it in secret. Guess what I found when i looked up muslims in bulgaria:
"Muslim Bulgarians do not represent a homogenous community...Whereas the majority of the community has identified itself as Bulgarian in the population censuses in 1992 and 2001, a certain minority in the Western Rhodopes has opted for Turkish ethnicity although its mother tongue is also Bulgarian."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Bulgarians
So I bet they were Turkish sympathizers helping their Turkish 'fahterland' muslim brothers. Its all about Islam really. Always gets back to Allah and Islam with these people.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 25, 2006 5:13 PM
more about the muslims in bulgaria who think of themselves as turks (from above wik. link):
"There is also a substantial Muslim Bulgarian community in Turkey, estimated at some 120,000 people. These are not recognized by the Turkish government as an ethnic minority and have been largely Turkified. Some of them have Turkish or distinctive Pomak self-consciousness."
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 25, 2006 5:15 PM
however the soviet union pulled the muslim strings I belive:
"the papal assassination had been organized and controlled by the Bulgarian secret service on behalf of the Soviet Union's security agency, the K.G.B., and Mr. Agca merely served as a paid gunman."
from AGCA AND POPE JOHN PAUL
article:
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/archived/papal.htm
at November 25, 2006 5:17 PM
Lets have a contest:
If something bad does happen to the pope, lets count how many times the press or commentators use the phrases,
1). Muslim humiliations
2). Muslim Sensitivities
and
3). Muslim poverty
Posted by: thehappyinfidel at November 25, 2006 5:50 PM
"Does anyone believe there will be serious backlash if a muslim Turk kills the Pope?"
Posted by: americaningermany
------
I'm guessing a new Crusade, what about you?
Posted by: EliasAlucard
Elias you are way too optimistic. If the moslems harm the Pope it wil be business as usual for our governments and for business as well. Naturally with each moslemic atrocity the hatred for them grows within our peoples.
Let us pray for the Pope's continued good health and may he travelto those occupied lands with a strong backbone. He'll need it.
And trust me, the media and our 'leaders' will see to it that there won't be any "backlash". I wish Pope Benedict 16 a safe trip and return home to Civilization. And I hope he'll speak openly and freely!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 6:05 PM
Since we read and hear of muslim atrocities from all over the world , to the airplane stunts they pull, I would think harming the Pope would be the last straw. I think people would be fed up.
I don't know if there would be rioting in the streets, or taking pot shots at crossing muslims, but it might take a soft approach. No renting or selling to them, or just boycotting ANYTHING having to do with their countries.
Or it could be Rome does call for a new crusade. Literally.
Posted by: freewoman at November 25, 2006 6:16 PM
"..authorities are braced for trouble and have mobilized an army of snipers.."
..and who will be watching the snipers?
(scarey, in deed)
at November 25, 2006 6:26 PM
"Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Been a long time gone ol' Constantinople, still a Turkish delight on a moonlit night.
Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul not Constantinople; so if you've a date in Constantinople, she'll be waiting in Istanbul.
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. Folks just like it better that way.
So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinple. It's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks."
Sorry, I had "Achey, Breaky Heart" stuck in my head and that was the only cure.
Posted by: USBeast at November 25, 2006 6:27 PM
Madduck: Old Roman saying "Quis custodiet custodes? (Who guards the guards?) I agree it is a scary thought that Muslim snipers will be "guarding" the pope. Who knows how many of them are Islamic fundamentalists? Turkey does have a rather large problem with them.
Posted by: MikeB52 at November 25, 2006 6:35 PM
What would happen if someone killed (God forbid) the Pope?
Nothing. A lot of self-analysis, why do they hate us? "Just a tiny minority" killed him. "He had it coming" for giving a speech that angered muslims. I regret to inform you that the West is too damned lazy and feminized to do jack-*%#*.
at November 25, 2006 6:44 PM
Carolyn2
Unfortunately, you are correct. It would be just like after 9/11, when libs and blame America types asked the same questions.
Posted by: MikeB52 at November 25, 2006 6:46 PM
Carolyn2: Pope Benedict, while immensely popular with the Catholic rank and file, has many people at the top of the Church, and especially in the middle bureaucracies, who hate him with a passion. If he is murdered, you can bet your life that such people will do their best to paralyze any reaction even within the Church itself; and the anti-Catholic mass media will do the rest. There will be no backlash. Perhaps a deeper, grimmer, more hopeless sense of inner rebellion and rage on the part of those who can do nothing - but no backlash. According to Sandro Magister, the best-informed Vatican reporter around, there are people even in the Vatican press office who are doing everything they can to undercut the Pontiff - translations of his documents and letters, that should be published instantly, often take months, and when they come they are apt to be tendentious. Unfortunately, if the Turks kill him they will be doing most of the Western leadership a favour. They will give him a nice funeral, make a lot of lengthy speeches, and hope that this time the Conclave elects a more amenable fellow.
Crusades? Not in my lifetime.
Posted by: Paolo at November 25, 2006 7:03 PM
The Pope is crazy going to Turkey, maybe he wants to become a martyr. Not with all the Papaphobia going around these days.
http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/11/pope-phobia.html#links
at November 25, 2006 7:07 PM
Paolo,
Very sad, indeed. I will also predict more converts to the dark side. God help us.
at November 25, 2006 7:13 PM
americaningermany quote
"Does anyone believe there will be serious backlash if a muslim Turk kills the Pope?"
where was the backlash when turkey invaded cyprus and burned churches and killed 6000 greek Cypriots? instead usa was selling them weapons and calling them a great freind i doubt there would be a backlash on turkey if the pope was killed by a turk after all the other pope st paul was shot by a turk and no one could see that it was a turk that did it they said he was a agent of the communist see what puzzles me is why would a turk be a agent of communist when turks where against russia it makes no sence to me
at November 25, 2006 7:25 PM
at November 25, 2006 7:42 PM
OT,
but a very good link about Mohammedan propaganda tecnique called 'turnspeak'-
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/turnspeak.html
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 25, 2006 7:43 PM
I think the authorities pulled Mehmet Ali Agca back into jail, for it would make it an unparallelable 'achievement' if he shot two Popes in a row (as if shooting one didn't). As for the first case, he was no more than an extension of the gun. (I doubt the number of his brain cells exceeds his shoesize.) But it's scary how he became an important figure for some and was driven away by a shiny Mercedes when he was released from jail for a while. It's not the Islamists favoring him; it's the fascists whose ideals lead to as far as Pan-turkism. Apparently, the guy can serve the left or right without any prejudice, so long as they pay him.
While I expect demostraitons and loud shouts against the Pope, I don't think anyone would directly aim at him.
As for the protests (and possible attacks)blocking Turkey's way into EU, give me a break; is there any possibility of Turkey ever getting in?...
at November 25, 2006 7:44 PM
Greek Gurl,
Can you please also give a count of the Turks killed by the Greek Cypriots? It may shed a light as to why Turks marched in.
at November 25, 2006 7:46 PM
Sadly, I don't think that there will be any repercussions for his murder.
The Pope is a figure-head, and unfortunately, he's R E P L A C A B L E. As long as the "position" is being filled, then everyone will simply move on with their lives, and the Pope will go down in history as a martyr. Plain and simple.
Posted by: champ at November 25, 2006 7:48 PM
Carolyn2: Pope Benedict, while immensely popular with the Catholic rank and file, has many people at the top of the Church, and especially in the middle bureaucracies, who hate him with a passion. If he is murdered, you can bet your life that such people will do their best to paralyze any reaction even within the Church itself; and the anti-Catholic mass media will do the rest.
_______________________________________
Personally, I think Pope Benedict's main contribution to the Church will be his writings. I think in some ways, he and John Paul II, are laying the foundation for a reform of authentic and full Christian practice and belief in the 21st century. John Paul II, in his Theology of the Body, has provided a wonderful counter-point to the sexual revolution and Benedict has sought to restore faith and reason as being supportive of the ancient dogmas and creed of the Church. On a local level I've found much hope in the non-specialist Catholic. Yes, other people might be in charge right now, but underneath - the local Catholic is starting to gravitate towards greater personal devotion and more solid doctrine. An outer reaction from the Church if Pope Benedict was killed would probably be suppressed, but inner reaction would continue to grow and I believe, and hope, that the future leaders of the church, and lay persons, would be able to step forward into leadership positions.
Posted by: Monkeywho at November 25, 2006 7:55 PM
Greek Gurl,
Can you please also give a count of the Turks killed by the Greek Cypriots? It may shed a light as to why Turks marched in.
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte
I smell a troll.
Thanks for your pro jihad comments. Yes Oben d'imsihte all muslim atrocities have been incited by evil christians thank you for putting to rest the myth of muslim violence.
back to the thehappyinfidel's contest Lets count which world leader makes his way to go pray in a mosque the fastest if anything happens to the pope to show that Islam is a religion of peace.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at November 25, 2006 7:55 PM
OLD SARGE
Said letter to be cosigned by Kofi Annan, John Kerry, Nancy, Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
Posted by: MikeB52 at November 25, 2006 8:11 PM
errr...juss thought i'd drop this link off for u, Roobart.
Al Azhar University Outlaws Female Circumcision
so u know who to give props to.
=)
at November 25, 2006 8:33 PM
Monkeywho,
If in any event this pope does become a martyr, all we have to do is remember the very old saying "the blood of martyrs is the seed for new Christians. "
The most important thing folks is to pray for B16's safety and that the seeds of Christ's good news will be planted.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 25, 2006 8:33 PM
Folks, just ignore any and all trolls.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 25, 2006 8:36 PM
Greek Gurl,
Can you please also give a count of the Turks killed by the Greek Cypriots? It may shed a light as to why Turks marched in.
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte
oben d' imishte they marched in Cyprus becuase of same reason why they took constantinople they are nationlist and want to make Cyprus turkish
at November 25, 2006 8:36 PM
I've given this whole matter a lot of thought and the way I see things, the pope is going to be fine.
I believe that he will return to Rome unharmed despite the organized protests in Turkey.
This will, thankfully, be a none event.
Posted by: witness at November 25, 2006 8:39 PM
I guess the Salvation Army comes to mind...
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 8:40 PM
3)A public alliance of anti- Jihad like thinkers must get together in all areas from Maine to California to organize our attack.
Just a few thoughts.
Posted by: Briars
I'm all ears. I agree we must show numbers - AND IN PUBLIC!
at November 25, 2006 8:42 PM
witness,
I do believe it will be just an historic visit to see the leader of the Orthodox Church. He will get back safe.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 25, 2006 8:44 PM
USBEAST QUOTE:
"So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinple. It's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks."
Yes and if we dont make ISLAM our business, now , today, they will take over London and other cities and we'll be singing
" London is Londistan and its nobody's business but the jerks (of Islam)"
!!
DONT LET OUR MODERN DAY FREE WORLD FALL LIKE THAT OLD CITY. THEY ALREADY ATTACKED NYC AND LONDON (and attempted Toronto) --they are treating it as another "constantinople".
at November 25, 2006 8:52 PM
Greek Gurl,
Can you please also give a count of the Turks killed by the Greek Cypriots? It may shed a light as to why Turks marched in.
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte
Whatever the amount of turks they killed - How does that compare to all the people killed by the turks???!!!!!
Greece has long been the victim of turkish aggression and it's good to see them fight back. They ought to have Constantinopoulos returned to them ON THE DOUBLE!!!
WAAAAHHHHHH.. WHERE'S THE UN?????!!!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 9:02 PM
Greek Gurl l think turks marched in, becuase you Greeks love to dance and sing and drink too much. you love freedom and life, and women dont cover themselves up.. like all things nonmuslims, they hate.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 25, 2006 9:06 PM
pissedofcanadian Oben d'Imishte is abvously one of the Turk lovers his trying to imply it was Greek Cypriots or maybe his a Turk
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 25, 2006 9:06 PM
zenawarriorprincess well i might agree with you there but igorant people like oben d' imishte dont understand
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 25, 2006 9:19 PM
May God protect him. But I do believe that if he were to be killed, it would convert more to our anti-jihad cause.
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth at November 25, 2006 9:45 PM
zenawarriorprincess well i might agree with you there but igorant people like oben d' imishte dont understand
Posted by: Greek Gurl
Greek Gurl.. Oben is not ignorant at all. He's a turk. trust me - I can smell a turk from miles away. Or should I say "kilometres"?
I grew up in Germany - hence my name on JW - and I never understood why both the Greeks and the turks would tell a little German kid how much they hated each other. And noone I asked could - I should say WOULD - tell me which ones were the GOOD GUYS!! Damn it took me way to long to figure this out on my own! But now that I know... I KNOW!!!
The things that are slowly learned surely are hard-earned.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 9:57 PM
germaninamerica i was thinking exactly the same thing as you the name sounds turkish.
People aslo use to ask me why greeks and turks hated each other i just told them the truth
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 25, 2006 10:11 PM
You guys.. I am listening to I Hate America Radio.. there's hockey and basketball where there's normally Laura and Michael... how nice of the MSM to entertain the brutes with panem et circenses.
Circenses at least :-)
ANY TALK SHOW HOSTS READING THIS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE THE TERM: "Air I Hate America".
Damn, they are a demoralizing bunch. Their MAIN concern is Guantanamo Bay - NOT what these inmates are doing to our guardian personnell... OH NO!!!
This phony-sounding Laura Flanders [what an abuse of the name Laura] with her little English accent that is designed to make little white liberals follow her goose-stepping down the jihadist cliffs like Euro-lemmings.. THAT Laura F*** has the NERVE to pontificate with some dhimmi American "human rights" bitch" about how badly the United States is treating these "men" as she keeps calling them.. oh they are just SOOO beardedly cuddly jihadists!! SOOOOO ceeewwte!!
Damn I love me the Israeli women i've met! No matter how liberal they all have a healthy reserve toward the enemy. The fatc they are nice to me [German] should be more than proof that thes are NOT resentful or nasty people in any way. They're simply smart in being able to figure foe from friend in a split second! And they look WAY better than any prune-dry dhimmi biotch I've ever seen!
I can't believe now they have a discussion on "I hate America".. Gore vs. Hitlery.. OH BWAIIII....!!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 10:23 PM
What the heck is the Pope doing going to Turkey? There are a few Catholics there, but aren't most, nearly all, Christians there Orthodox? What is Benedict going to accomplish? Make new friends?
The best thing the West can do for Turkey is to reclaim it.
Posted by: Seymour Paine
What he will accomplish is to let moslems showcase themselves as.. :-) [ drumroll.. ] ... moslems!! :-) just let the momobots do their thang!
Song and dance in the streets of Konstantinopoulos! :-)
He's old but NOT stupid.
This will be the mufti-World-Expo!!! A true showcase of tolerance.. a FEST of LOVE! The welcoming of a Great Spritual Leader from the West where so any of the islamics are "immigrating to" in apparent "rejection" of their own societies? We know the truth, but.. empty chuckle here...
Remember the old vampire movies and you put a crufix in ol' Cracul's face? Remember the vampire's reaction to that!
[actually i've read up on old Dracul - aka VLAD THE IMPALER and it looks like he's been getting a BAD RAP!!] He impaled turkish forces laying siege to his lands - thus keeping them from further advance - but that's another story!]
Put the Holy spirit in their face and see what WILL HAPPEN!! This Pope is noothing less than a WORLD EXORCIST!!
They'll be spitting more than pea soup. LOL
JUST WATCH AND LEARN!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 10:41 PM
Re: "God willing, this will be a spark, a starter for Muslims ... God willing, he will not come. If he comes, he will see what will happen to him," the 26-year-old Turk told the TV cameras as he was led away in handcuffs.
As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by just watching".
Posted by: Frank at November 25, 2006 10:46 PM
As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by just watching".
Posted by: Frank
didn't Yogi also say: "every thing is half mental"?
That would sound like an apt description of the muftis to me.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 10:56 PM
errr...juss thought i'd drop this link off for u, Roobart.
Al Azhar University Outlaws Female Circumcision
so u know who to give props to.
=)
Posted by: matoko kusanagi
Does anyone smell a TROLL...???
PS. Who is 'Roobart'?
at November 25, 2006 10:59 PM
The Pope is crazy going to Turkey, maybe he wants to become a martyr. Not with all the Papaphobia going around these days.
Posted by: Cyberray
CRAZY like a FOX! Trust NOONE!! He's putting his life on the line FOR ALL OF US!!!
at November 25, 2006 11:00 PM
Ain't nothing gonna happen to the pope. And if it did, all that would happen would be a bunch of hand wringing. And most people would blame America, because everyone knows the muzzlims are peaceful.
Posted by: AMartinez at November 25, 2006 11:11 PM
May God protect him. But I do believe that if he were to be killed, it would convert more to our anti-jihad cause.
Posted by: TheVoiceofTruth
WE are NOT islamists. WE don't sacrifice the LOWEST nor the HIGHEST among us for the CAUSE. Our cause is JUST and our CAUSE is that NOONE is to be sacrificed for any cause. That includes the Pope, GODDAMMIT!!
He is talking a calculated risk.. that is a strategical maneouvre of his choice. However.. I for one am NOT rooting for his death so we can gather "Momentum for the Cause"!!
The Pope is not only the Spiritual Leader of millions of Catholics and Christians worldwide - the Pope is also a Human Being.
Let us not lower ourselves please!
I pray for the Pontiff's safety. I am not a Catholic nor am I a Christian - but the longer I think about this this Pope is facaing down the Devil himself! Let us not root for his demise!
His safe return to safety at home should inspire us more than anything! Who among us would have such GUTS??!!! And at almost 80 yo??!!!
For crying out LOUD! I can't bear this thinking!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 25, 2006 11:12 PM
If the Pope is murdered on his trip, the only backlash will be a stream of condolences from Western leaders, accompanied by impassioned speeches about how the peaceful Islamic religion has been hyjacked by misquided extremists who don't understand the true teachings of Islam.
As for Muslim leaders, they say basically the same thing, and all the while their citizens will be celebrating in the streets as they did on 9/11.
But you can be certain of one thing, no one will have the couurage to be honest.
at November 25, 2006 11:19 PM
posted
"[actually i've read up on old Dracul - aka VLAD THE IMPALER and it looks like he's been getting a BAD RAP!!] He impaled turkish forces laying siege to his lands - thus keeping them from further advance - but that's another story!]"
germaninamerica
That's right. A co-worker is romanian and told me once that Vlad Dracul is a national hero for fighting to a standstill the Ottoman horde.
Back on topic. The Pope knows what he's doing. Even if nothing happens to him physichally, the whole world will be watching the modern day ottomans strut their stuff.
Posted by: Paladin3000 at November 25, 2006 11:31 PM
Europe doesn't want European workers
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 26, 2006 12:15 AM
Back on topic. The Pope knows what he's doing. Even if nothing happens to him physichally, the whole world will be watching the modern day ottomans strut their stuff.
Posted by: Paladin3000
That's what I am talking about! The Pope deserved better than for any among us to root for his demise. Even if it were to be for propagandist gain. THAT is the way our enemies conduct their campaign against US.
They send children and grandmothers into battle. They use them as human shields and as susicide bombers.
Our Pope is neither a human shield nor a suicide bomber. If anything he is a human shield against islamic aggression.
Just like John Wayne didn't mindlessly shoot all over the place.. he made sure to give the enemy every chance to back down. In fact he let it be known that he'd rather avoid violence if the enemy allowed him. But once the enemy left no way out - it was ON!
at November 26, 2006 12:19 AM
germaninamerica i was thinking exactly the same thing as you the name sounds turkish.
People aslo use to ask me why greeks and turks hated each other i just told them the truth
Posted by: Greek Gurl
Greek Gurl..
sorry I didn't use my brain back then.. i was but a little kid and these smelly old men all were yelling at me "Grieche nix gutt" and "turkey nix gutt!!" Not at the same time mind you :-)
The Greeks seemed to be a little nicer though but it was really hard for me to know why they were all in Germany hating one another so much. Not that German school was any help in figuring it out. nor were the adults. They didn't want to "talk about it" when I asked things like: "Daddy why do the Turks hate the Greeks so much?". Same dad who calls me a nazi because now I am asking questions why is immigration good for Germany and the other European countries? Why do we let moslems build mosks when they don't allow Churches and Synagogues to be built in their lands?
What am I missing?
Call it the Generation Gap?
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 26, 2006 12:25 AM
I think the Islams are very cunning and astute and recognize that the time is not yet ripe for such a bold stroke as killing the Pope. It would not be in their interest because it would dovetail too strongly with other recent high-profile acts - 9/11 to be sure, but also Theo van Gogh, the Paris riots, cartoon-gate, etc. They want to leave some semblance of plausible deniability for Western liberals to cling to, until it is too late.. in 20 years?? 50??
Posted by: BunrattyBill at November 26, 2006 12:47 AM
But we don't want to see him on our soil because of the remarks he made about Islam's Prophet Muhammad on Sept. 12 and for not apologizing afterward.
what is the pope apoligizing for you just have to look at the christion byzantin empire and the savagry that the muslim invaders showed to the peaple of constandnople for daring to resist the muslim attack
at November 26, 2006 1:17 AM
The best thing to do is to pray for the success of the mission of the Pope to visit the Patriarch of Constantinople.
Posted by: Maggie4Life at November 26, 2006 3:31 AM
"As a student of history I can only say...
Archduke Franz Ferdinand
Sarajevo
Jun 28th 1914
We know the rest of the story....."
Exactly.
Benedict shouldn't be meeting with those people.
Christianity and Islam are irreconcilable.
Now that I think of it, Islam is irreconcilable with any other religion on the planet.
Posted by: abad at November 26, 2006 3:34 AM
one million bucks says if the pope gets wasted, the retarded pelosi will blame it on bush.
Posted by: ffoegthehun at November 26, 2006 4:19 AM
hi abad. humans that they think there gang is better than the other. holy sh8t im not very old. do we all regress in intelligence as we get older?
Posted by: ffoegthehun at November 26, 2006 4:21 AM
pissedoffcanadian wrote:
"Yes Oben d'imsihte all muslim atrocities have been incited by evil christians thank you for putting to rest the myth of muslim violence."
I did not generalize, you did. I am not claiming for all; I just wanted to inquire about a single case which I had lived through as a child. Call it propaganda or whatever, I saw too many pictures of Turks killed violently by the Greeks. Of course, the pictures of Greeks killed by Turks were never shown to me. I belive the Western World got the opposite treatment, for else they would be somewhat fair.
bigcatgirl13106 wrote:
"Folks, just ignore any and all trolls."
Guys, you can't ignore trolls, just as you can't ignore terrorists. (Though they operate in much different ways.) It's for your own good not to ignore them (trolls, I mean), for, by their differing thoughts, they're helping you to improve yours. What distinguishes a troll like me from the terrorist analogy above is that I would stop posting if Robert Spencer told me to. I am civilized enough not to disturb people. But, do you REALLY want this?... For it would be a one sided action lacking most of the fun, as masturbation comapred to sex.
Greek Gurl wrote:
"they marched in Cyprus becuase of same reason why they took constantinople they are nationlist and want to make Cyprus turkish"
Not exactly. Taking Constantinople was an offensive move while invading Cyprus was meant for defense. Defending two different parties: 1- Turks in Cyprus (who were having a 'somewhat hard time' drowning in their own blood. Go see the Museum of Barbarianship in Lefkosa. The Cypriots were killing Turkish women and children for Christmas celebrations in 1963.) 2- Anatolia (For Enosis was unacceptable for the Turkish Republic as it would give a definite military advanage to Greece.)
germaninamerica wrote:
"Whatever the amount of turks they killed - How does that compare to all the people killed by the turks???!!!!!"
So, Turks (since they are Muslims) are worthless. Kill as many as you want, it's like zero multiplied by infinity!... You can't expect people to stay reactionless against being killed, right?
germaninamerica wrote:
"WAAAAHHHHHH.. WHERE'S THE UN?????!!!!!!"
I'd heard this cry before!..
...While the Muslim women were being raped in Bosnia... I guess...
Greek Gurlwrote:
"Oben d'Imishte is abvously one of the Turk lovers his trying to imply it was Greek Cypriots or maybe his a Turk"
Oben d'Imishte is a Turk but not necessarily a Turk lover (which should be obvious from his posts so far). Let's call him a Muslim lover.
germaninamerica, I don't hate Greeks. Actually, my lab partner in the US was a very cool Greek guy. I am sure he didn't hate me either. Of course, I cannot generalize for either side.
Greek Gurlwrote:
"germaninamerica i was thinking exactly the same thing as you the name sounds turkish."
Obviously you don't speak Turkish and are not familiar with Turkish names.
germaninamerica wrote:
"Oben is not ignorant at all."
Thank you.
at November 26, 2006 4:26 AM
Please read about the third prediction at Fatima.
BTW, did the Turks slaughter the Armenians or not?
Posted by: CGW at November 26, 2006 5:07 AM
More important than the pope's comments are the degree of violent response.
The islamists always complain that Israel has caused diproportionate response to hezbollah attacks and many lebanese died as a result of those rocket attacks.
But they are not answering why a simple statement of pope has caused violent reprisals by arabs and persians in their homecountries.
Why punjabi invaders in kashmir held a violent rally to condemn pope's remarks. Why terrorists from punjab and arabia are constantly bloodthirsty for pope's blood.
This is the question which must be addressed.
Why is US having cordial relations with Saudis and Punjabis while they continue to finance and train the jihadis all over the world.
Posted by: mystichealer at November 26, 2006 5:31 AM
Unfortunately, the truth about what happened in Cyprus in 1974 was that there was no right side. On the one side there was a military Greek government of torturers and murderers - the so-called Colonels - who had driven out the king of Greece and had no legitimacy at all, which plotted with the Greeks of Cyprus to annexate the island to Greece, thus giving itself some much-needed validation in the face of an increasingly exasperated Greek public. On the other there was an equally brutal and ruthless Turkish government - I do not recall whether it was parliamentary or military at the time, but it hardly matters, because ever since Kemal Ataturk the Army had been the godfather of Turkish politics and nothing took place without its consent. The illegal Greek government was hated the length and breadth of Europe, and the attempted enosis was, as I recall it, received with universal horror and disgust. When it collapsed under the blows of a Turkish force, followed by the collapse of the "Colonels" in Athens, the general reaction was, if not relief, that the Colonels and their accomplices had asked for it. However, it quickly became clear that the Turks had intervened not to defend the independence of Cyprus, but to enforce a sectarian division of the island; at which point, the indignation and anger of Europe switched from the Greeks - by now safely in democratic hands - to the Turks, whose false pretences were now obvious, and who absolutely refused to surrender the swag. From then till now, nobody has ever accepted the Turkish occupation of north-east Cyprus, and the pressure on the obstinate Turks to allow the island to be unified has been constant. It is no fault of Europe that the Turks have refused even though they should know that this made their long-desired admission into the EU impossible.
And that brings me back to the subject of this blog. I think we have here, once again, an example of the mental pathology that Islam generates even in people where its influence is reduced. The Turks want everything and its opposite. They want to be allowed to exclude Christians from their polity, and they want to be called a tolerant and loving people. They want to be admitted to the EU, and they want to go on holding what they stole from a member in good standing of the EU (Cyprus). They want to be liked, and they want to be feared. Their behaviour is cleary pathological, and condemns them - like all Muslims - to everlasting, seething frustration. Both Greece and Cyprus have complied with EU demands, setting aside their own gripes with Europe and accepting that if you want to join a club you have to play by the rules. But for the Turks, that is impossible, because, even if Europe were willing to bend the rules for them, one simply does not know in what direction to bend them: what they say they want simply does not make sense.
Posted by: Paolo at November 26, 2006 6:20 AM
Partial translation of the third secret of Fatima:
we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.
Posted by: CGW at November 26, 2006 6:23 AM
"Does anyone believe there will be serious backlash if a muslim Turk kills the Pope?"
Posted by: americaningermany
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"I'm guessing a new Crusade, what about you?"
Posted by: EliasAlucard
"Elias you are way too optimistic."
Posted by: germaninamerica
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Yeah, perhaps I am. This isn't the 11th century when Europe was almost entirely a Catholic/Orthodox Christian continent, Europe has abandoned Christianity at this point and isn't united anymore (I consider the EU to be a big political lie, so it doesn't count) when it comes to fighting islam.
Either way, I don't want the Pope killed by the turks since I'm Catholic myself and I actually like this Pope (I read somewhere that he's going to allow condoms, great move!). But I won't be surprised if some muslim shoots him when he visits turkey.
And like many of JihadWatch readers have already pointed out, it will probably be this we hear from the leftist media: "Oh he had it coming, it's his own fault. Don't blame the muslims for killing him, it was just an extremist minority. It's wrong to generalise."
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 7:27 AM
Hilarious Muslim newspeak. e.g.,
"The Popemust aplogise for calling Islam a violent religion or we Muslims will be violent during his vist to Turkey."
Posted by: ColinUK at November 26, 2006 7:29 AM
Alucard - that piece of rank rubbish about softening rules on condoms is a regular fantasy of the non-Catholic press - resurrected most recently by the Anglican journalist Ruth Gledhill in England. It has always been wrong, it is wrong now, it will remain wrong. It is not going to happen, end of story, and if you think it would be a good move, then I suggest you move to the Lutherans, because you have a weird idea of what church dogma means.
StillFedUp: as I recall, the Turkish invasion of 1974 was justified by the Turks having signed a treaty guaranteeing the independence of Cyprus, which the Greek attempt at annexation violated. That is probably also why they set up a puppet government in the occupied territory instead of annexating it outright: that way they could pretend - though not very convincingly - that they had not violated the independence of Cyprus, rather that it was Cyprus itself that had broken asunder, and now there were two Cypruses instead of one. Of course, everyone saw through that little game from the word go, but the Turks still insist.
Posted by: Paolo at November 26, 2006 8:23 AM
Just remember that it never matters what the Muslims say, because it is part of their strategy, as learned from Muhammad himself and dictated in the Koran, to always fight a "defensive" struggle. This deception works for them. They must always act as if they are reacting to some insult, some provocation, some intrusion -- even though 99% of the time it is complete fabrication or a twisting of the facts. Islamic traditions are quite clear that it is not only necessary but expected for deception and lies to be used to constantly put the enemy off-balance.
Deception is a critical part of warfare, but the outright lies and hypocrisy are not. Sane and aware and learned people around the globe see right through their tirades like cellophane, but this doesn't stop members of the jihad, not even for an instant. It actually intensifies their resolve because with their lies and lack of our own stellar communications systems and free speech and press, they get their own people believing the propaganda that is intended not only for the enemy, but for the gullible fanatics within.
If we would get over this ridiculous fear of "inflaming the Islamic world" and just declare war on the people that have so obviously declared jihad on the rest of us, we could win in Iraq. The first stage would be to surprise the mujahideen as they run up the steps of the closest mosque -- and follow them inside with flamethrowers and explosives and flatten the unholy place and them along with it!!
You want to send a message to people that only understand violence and force, you don't do it by trying to be nice -- you do it by "shock and awe" and showing the grim resolve necessary to kill and defeat your enemies.
So far, we aren't even close to doing what's needed, and this is exactly why the jihad gets worse.
Posted by: Foehammer at November 26, 2006 8:51 AM
Paolo, what's wrong with condoms? If condoms are allowed in Italy then they should be allowed in Africa too.
Oh and for the record, I'm not a devout Catholic. I was baptised in the Catholic church as a child, and I believe in Jesus as the son of God and God incarnate, but I don't swallow everything the Catholic church does (for example, kissing the quran). So don't shove this dogma stuff down my throat.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 8:57 AM
What you people have not thinked about is what would happen if someone try to kill the Pope and he fail.
The last pope was near killed from Agca, but it recovered.
How many times TV and press talk about the Holy Spirit intervention to save his life? And the intercession of May? Many, many, many.
The reaction would be slow, but if they start to kill a head of state, other heads of state will take note of this. The pope is a high rank target, and other high rank target will react at his death.
The same would happen if a muslim try to kill Bush or Blair or Prodi. It is not the man, it is the position that is "sacred".
An attack to the pope is an attack to all Catholics and Christians as and attack to the President of the USA is an attack to the USA. And so it will be treated.
at November 26, 2006 9:15 AM
@ USBEAST
"So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinple. It's Istanbul, not Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks."
Istanbul (Not Constantinople) written by Jimmy Kennedy and Nat Simon.
It was originally performed by The Four Lads in a recording made on August 12, 1953.
The song was later famously covered by the rock group They Might Be Giants, who released it on their LP Flood in 1990, and on its own EP that same year.
Now the crunch !!!!!!
The lyrics humorously remind the listener the change of the name of the city Constantinople to the Turkish name of Istanbul, professing uncertainty about how and why the names of cities change.
at November 26, 2006 9:17 AM
paolo quoted
"Unfortunately, the truth about what happened in Cyprus in 1974 was that there was no right side. On the one side there was a military Greek government of torturers and murderers - the so-called Colonels - who had driven out the king of Greece and had no legitimacy at all, which plotted with the Greeks of Cyprus to annexate the island to Greece, thus giving itself some much-needed validation in the face of an increasingly exasperated Greek public"
Greeks before 1974 at the time wanted to unify Cyprus with Greece as greek Cypriots where the majority on the island and they voted for that democraticaly for eonises which means union in greek the Turkish Cypriots on the island did not like that dispite the fact that turkish Cypriots had lots of power in the goverment they wanted more they wanted to take over the police force in Cyprus the turkish Cypriots wanted to have more rights then the Greeks so they set up a terrorist group called tmt and started killing greek Cypriots the turkish Cypriots wanted Turkey to invade from the beginning and as a result there was bloodshed but only 400 turkish Cypriots where killed by eoka (who did not represent all Greek Cypriots) compared to the 6000 Greek Cypriots killed by the turkish invasion
paolo quoted
"Not exactly. Taking Constantinople was an offensive move while invading Cyprus was meant for defense. Defending two different parties: 1- Turks in Cyprus (who were having a 'somewhat hard time' drowning in their own blood. Go see the Museum of Barbarianship in Lefkosa. The Cypriots were killing Turkish women and children for Christmas celebrations in 1963.) 2- Anatolia (For Enosis was unacceptable for the Turkish Republic as it would give a definite military advanage to Greece.)"
that is a untrue Turks invading Cyprus in 1571 was exaclty the same as turks taking constantinople when the ottomans invaded Cyprus in 1571 20,000 greek Cypriots where slaughtered alone in nicosia
and in 1963 the Greek Cypriot women and kids where also being killed by the turkish Cypriot tmt how comes you dont mention that? or the thousands of Greek Cypriot women and who where raped and killed by the turkish invading army and how 6000 Cypriots where masscared in 1974 yes turkish Cypriots where killed by eoka but only 500 where killed which is not much compared to the 6000 greek Cypriotsthat turkey killed.
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 26, 2006 9:37 AM
I find it really hypocritical that people like paolo and Oben d'Imishte have double standards they justfy the Turk muslims burning churches and killing Greek Cypriots in 1974 and when we tried to defend ourselfs from the turks people like paolo and oben blame us then paolo and oben say they are against terroism and islam spreading in the west and its ok for them to defend themselfs but its not ok for us Greek Cypriots to do so before 1974. Why is that paolo and oben are you western christians more important then us orthodox christians ? why are you allowed to defend yourselfs from terrorist islam and want to be called heros but when us greek Cypriot orthodox christians tried to defend ourselfs before 1974 you call usbutchers ? as far as I am concerned your hypocrites and just as bad as the muslims and your also anti christian to
at November 26, 2006 10:10 AM
AmericaninGermany my pleasure. These forums are for the wide awake not the fast asleep! :oD
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STILLFEDUP QUOTE
allies, I am in italy and you can imagine how TV and press went on this matter for YEARS AND YEARS cos that turkish fucker has been jailed in italy for many years.
This idiot was playing with the press for decades saying idiotic things like "I am jesus christ" and stuff.
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Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner stillfedup I am skimming all these threads during my time off like a madman and sometimes I miss some names. Yes I remember that nutcase, I notice even in his madness he wasnt stupid enough to say "Im Muhammed reborn!" I guess even he knew what the jihadists would do to himm.
About the trollfest okay Ill try to get them on new stuff hahaha and email everybody to join in. If these trolls are honest at all --they should be reeling from all the info Robert Spencer puts on here and all the stuff we mention and even link too. But I wonder about these trolls: I think they are determined to stay asleep until at least Iran starts bombing parts of the West as Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu said on the Glen Beck show recently.
at November 26, 2006 10:24 AM
STILLFEDUP I just emailed you (sorry for the delay I havent checked my email since 23rd! eeee,)
The Greeks know all about Turkey and the people dont want partnerships with them because they know what that means. Turkey is 99% and always act in a "shiira" style and narcisstic manner towards Greece and other western countries (even America was prevented from using its airspace in the second gulf war and so Americans asked and recieved permission to fly over Greek airspace--that shows you the difference right there).
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 10:45 AM
This Paolo character has a suspiciously omniscient eye toward relative equivalency and gymnastic nuance every time he palpates events of history.
"Unfortunately, the truth about what happened in Cyprus in 1974 was that there was no right side. On the one side there was a military Greek government of torturers and murderers - the so-called Colonels - who had driven out the king of Greece and had no legitimacy at all...etc. etc. yada yada"
I trust Greek Gurl more.
at November 26, 2006 10:58 AM
stillfedup no i am not in Greece i am Greek Cypriot and i am not in Cyprus either but before 1974 my family where forced out of there homes in Cyprus and my dad was held prisoner by the turks my dad was a young teenager at the time he did nothing wrong to any turks but ignorant people like paolo and oben blame people like my dad and mum for having there property stolen and call us butchers well my parnets did not kill or harm any turkish at the time they just woke up one morning and next thing my dad knew turkish soilders where forcing him out of his home and prisoned him but lucky he escaped from that prison or he would probably be dead or missing.
as for what is going on in Greece I dont know whats happening in Greece either but i know that turkey is still claiming the aegean islands and still contunues to invade greek airspace
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 26, 2006 11:02 AM
correction in my last post I meant to say "Turkey is 99%" MUSLIM and always acts in a..."
By the way the most ANTI-Turkish govt guy I know is an exmuslim turkish guy! Of course he loves his people but he gets in a rage at the thought of Islam. I mean A RAGE. He told me several times "islam wasted my life" and that "Turkey is a one coup away from being a Islamic Republic" and "Turkey should never be let into EU" and EVEN "I dont believe in any religion but Id rather have all of Turkey Christian then any other faith. At least Christians dont freak out on you if you leave their faith and go agnostic on them" (His family was to put it mildly not happy with his decision. According to Islamic Quranic laws the father has to kill him now. I dont think he will or anything (honor killings are not uncommon there though thats for sure) but His parents have told him he is "dead to him" My friend laughs bitterly at this since they were never particularly religious but you leave Muhammeds faith and they "will freak on you".
Who will kill the pope in Istanbul, indeed.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 11:50 AM
americaningermany wrote:
"Why should we be familiar with Turkish names?
Why should we speak Turkish?
Is Turkey the new center of the world?"
NO to all of these, of course! I was saying that for Greek Gurl only, for she had commented on my name. (BTW Turkish is a terrible language in terms of word order. English is much better and easier.)
Paolo, great brief on the Cyprus issue. Thanx.
Greek Gurl,
I am not being hypocritical. I AM a Muslim (thank God), if you have not noticed yet. BTW can you give an example of Turkey's claiming the islands? (Any records from the National Assembly or some diplomatic talk?) As far as I know Turkey and Greece recognizes each other's land borders. However, Turkey will call it a war starter if Greece declares 12 miles on the sea.
StillFedUp wrote:
"As always you don't respect treaties done with infidels."
Spend your next holiday on (some of) the Greek islands which are supposed to be unarmed according to the treaties...
(Paolo has already answered for the treatywise justification of Turkey's marching in.)
at November 26, 2006 11:55 AM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN,
Speaking about reality of Muslims possibly freaking out, yesterday went to a home game of my home state's flagship university's football team ( in the end they lost and now are out of bowl contention ), there was a contest to raise money for a scholarship fund for students who attend my hometown's public high school. For $1 a jug, vote to have with a picture next to each jug, local community leaders, local newspaper editors, ete., if voted the winner, would be required to kiss a pig. If any Muslim was going to see that, could they have ended up freaking out?
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 26, 2006 12:05 PM
PS To The Poster Above That I Had Posted To, Allies :
Forgot to mentioned that it is for a college scholarship(s).
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 26, 2006 12:10 PM
painlord2k,
Good comments. Also take into consideration that any effort to bring harm to the Pope, and you are right to say that he is not only the head of a major Christian church, but also because of the Vatican City state, head of a nation. This could end up not only bringing about the condemmnation from other nations, but also just actions would be taken. One such action would be deniel of Turkey's addition into the EU bigtime.
The proof of the pudding is the swift reaction of condemmnation after last week's assasination one of the minister's of Lebanon's governing back, an anti-Syrian control critic by a member of Hezbozallah.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 26, 2006 12:24 PM
Oben d'Imishte: I can do without your gratitude, since you are clearly misrepresenting what I said. What I said was that Turkey used that treaty as an excuse to wreak its own criminal will on Cyprus. As a result, no country in the world has ever accepted the legitimacy of Turkish actions. The Greeks tried to commit a crime; the Turks succeeded in committing a much bigger one. That is the difference.
Alucard: right, you're not Catholic. Anyone who talks with such complacent, insolent presumption about dogma (which is nothing more than the bare minimum you have to accept to call yourself a Catholic at all) has no notion whatsoever what Catholicism is. As for the prohibition on condoms, where did you get the notion that Italy - an independent country which was created in part by taking away the Pope's kingdom - has its laws written by the Pope? In a few sentences, you have manage to annoy me as a Catholic and offend me as an Italian patriot. Please, stop opening your mouth about what you know nothing of.
Remote_control: moral equivalency yourself. I just like to know what I am talking about. If you knew how to read, you would realize that I have not actually even said anything that contradicted anything that Greekgurl wrote; I just gave an account of aspects of the story which she may not have known. She knows of the obscenity of Turkish occupation from family traditions, but she may not be aware that the murderous Colonels and their accomplices in Cyprus (who overthrew the legal government) brought upon the unfortunate Cypriots the very horror of Turkish invasion she describes. That the Turks were and remain criminals does not deny that the Colonels were criminals as well. And since people here admire my fellow countrywoman Oriana Fallaci, I suggest you read her account of her lover, who was arrested, tortured and nearly murdered by the Colonels.
Contrary to popular belief, we shall not beat Islam by being worse than they are; and not everyone who is an enemy of a Muslim is, for that reason alone, a white-fledged angel. The Colonels were criminals. They were stupid, too: they started a war they had no chance of winning, and their stupid actions resulted in Turkey being left in murderous possession, from which nothing has been able to remove them since. And ever since then, Cyprus has had to pay for their dishonesty.
Posted by: Paolo at November 26, 2006 12:25 PM
Opps, folks should have said in the previous posting, a Christian minister of Lebanon's governing body.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 26, 2006 12:26 PM
Oben d'Imishte quotes
"Greek Gurl,
I am not being hypocritical. I AM a Muslim (thank God), if you have not noticed yet. BTW can you give an example of Turkey's claiming the islands? (Any records from the National Assembly or some diplomatic talk?) As far as I know Turkey and Greece recognizes each other's land borders. However, Turkey will call it a war starter if Greece declares 12 miles on the sea."
your a muslim that says it all lol. By the way Greece doest have to declare nothing its not only the 12 miles of sea that belongs to greece its fonstantinople and most of Turkey that belongs to Greece you turks belong in mongolia where you first came from TUrkey was a state built on genocide of Greeks and armenians but dont worry Oben we will take it all back one day
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 26, 2006 12:28 PM
A few months ago, Oben D'Imishte wrote here at Jihad Watch:
"Islam is a religion of peace at peace time. You naturally fight during war time. (Or do you turn the other cheek?) But I said 'war time'."
So tell me Oben: who determines when it is peace time, and when it is war time?
And how are "peace time" and "war time" to be defined?
And who defines them?
It seems that innumerable Muslims all over the globe are at best fudging the line between the two, if they haven't already decided that it is, indeed, "war time".
Who are you, Oben, to tell those of your brothers and sisters that they are wrong?
at November 26, 2006 12:37 PM
paolo so you are justifying turks killing 6000 greeks in cyprus becuase Oriana Fallaci lover was killed by Greek colonals? well oriana fallaci lover was greek infact. my Point is You cant justify Turkey killing 6000 Greeks or raping women just because of that if you do then your no better then a islamic facist you really are no better then the muslims turks go and kiss your muslim boyfreind Oben d'Imishte
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 26, 2006 12:41 PM
Paolo writes with his characteristic gift of divine prophecy:
"Contrary to popular belief, we shall not beat Islam by being worse than they are..."
First of all, we cannot possibly be worse than Muslims, since they occupy the ethical nadir, a nadir uniquely structured by their unique belief-system.
Second of all, do you consider Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and the Tokyo fire-bombing to have been examples of the good guys descending to the level of the evil enemy? If you do, then we know where you stand: anti-West. If you don't, then remember what terrible and horrible acts those were that we, the good guys, tragically had to do to fight evil; and not only did we not become evil in doing so, we have -- save for the single glaring and paradoxical exception of the development of the PC disease -- continued to progress ethically, socially, politically, intellectually, technologically and scientifically since then.
at November 26, 2006 12:50 PM
"right, you're not Catholic."
Posted by Paolo
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Paolo, now you're just being arrogant. Who are you to tell me what and who I am? If you think that being against condoms makes you a genuine Catholic, you're wrong. The Catholic church has done a big mistake in not allowing condoms, and people have died in AIDS as an indirect result of it, this has only damaged Catholicism and made people more hateful of Christianity.
By the way, does it actually matter if you're Italian? Catholicism is spread throughout the world. You Italians don't have a monopoly on it last I checked.
Also, you have to understand that not all Catholics are devout Catholics. There are some of us who don't take it as seriously as the rest of you, but we still believe in God and his son Jesus, as it is taught in the Catholic creed, and that's the most important part.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 1:09 PM
if voted the winner, would be required to kiss a pig. If any Muslim was going to see that, could they have ended up freaking out?
Posted by: bigcatgirl1310
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ah yes ! lol. At least they would have been accused of being 'intolerant Americans' My friend Bulent (exmuslim turkish guy) makes a point of eating pork.
We were once in a restaurant enjoying this roasted pork dinner (Bulent, myself and our ladies) and Bulent wanted to take some in a 'doggie bag' to offer to muslims on their way out of mosque services. His girl had to beg him continually not to do it (she is a beautiful exmuslim Morrocan girl). He just laughed and said, "God I hate those bastards for wasting my life" I have to admit I thought it was over the top. But I have seen that the most anti-Islam people are ones who are exmuslim, ones like Ali Sina, and my friend who grew up in it. I mean this guy wanted to go around to muslims and say "smell this pork mmmm good huh!!!" oh maaan. "We have to be aggressive with them trust me I used to be one of them. God they all need to eat a good ham sandwich and some wine and they'll all recover." He is really a "wild and crazy guy" a la saturday night live type. lol
This was near the " Madinah Masjid " in east toronto
(website here http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014184.php#comments (they are trying to get funds to build a second story now)
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by the way try to "unarm" Texans and what do you think you'll get? No matter what the 'local laws' say. You'll get a head full of lead. Greek islanders are very much the 'Texans' of Greece especially in the eastern islands where Turkish invasions have known to happen and violation of hellenic airspace against all EU rules happens on a weekly basis.
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Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 1:28 PM
sorry the link above is wrong one"
the mosques website i referred to was here:
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 1:37 PM
germaninamerica wrote:
"Oben is not ignorant at all."
Thank you.
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte
I assume you aren't ignorant of the turkish genocide of the Armenians. secnd.. if millions of Germans moved into turkey and behaved like a bunch of respectless pigs.. I BET you'd be pretty pissed off too!! How should I like the turks in my country who are acting like an occupying army aided by a German Vichy government!!
at November 26, 2006 1:38 PM
"My friend Bulent (exmuslim turkish guy)..."
He sounds like a cool guy. I think a better movie than Borat would be one about your friend --
Bulent: Cultural Learnings of Infidels for Make Expose Filthy Nation of Islam.
Posted by: remote_control at November 26, 2006 1:43 PM
I must remember never to let myself be drawn into debate on this forum again.
Alucard: you do not have the least and slightest idea of what being Catholic means. Being Catholic means accepting the dogmas of the Church as true; you treat them with contempt. You are also deeply ignorant. Your statements about condoms are mass media boilerplate to which anyone who had given the issue (and the Catholic side) any attention at all would know the answers, even where he disagreed. You simply take the cant of newspapers for truth, and congratulate yourself on your great insight. And you do not know how to read. I never said that I could judge your attitudes to the Church by being Italian; I said I could judge them by being Catholic, as any other Catholic in any other part of the world could. Believe me, there are American blogs where your attitude would have got you a roasting you can't even imagine. I did, however say, that I can judge your ignorant, arrogant, racist Swedish attitude to Italy from being an Italian. You said that the laws of Italy are written by the Vatican; that is the only explanation of your statement - which you made, so do not try to escape your responsibility - that according to the Church the use of condoms is right in Italy and wrong elsewhere. The Italian parliament decides as it pleases, and the Pope does not give them orders, whatever your provincial media may have got you to believe. You are both ignorant and vain, and your only excuse is that you are too ignorant to realize how ignorant you are.
Greek Gurl: you are too stupid to even realize when someone is on your side. So let us try to use language you understand. Who the FUCK ever said that the Cypriots deserved what the Turkish "criminals" - the word I used for them - did to them? What I said was the exact opposite: that because of the stupid and illegal actions of a few murderous military morons in Athens and their equally criminal accomplices in Cyprus, the country was handed over to its worst enemies. Does this mean that the average Cypriot "deserved" anything of what happened? It means, you complete idiot, the opposite: it means that a few murderers caused the nation to suffer. I blamed the Colonels and them alone. Learn to read, you little idiot, before you alienate even those who are on your side. And since, unlike you, I know how to read, I knew the nationality of Oriana Fallaci's lover before you were born.
Great God in heaven. Is there NOBODY on this thread with either manners or education?
Posted by: Paolo at November 26, 2006 2:16 PM
I expect that nothing happens. But the consequences of the killing would be minimal. The world hates christianism and the catholicism in particular for allowing that people had a bad opinion about islam and a good about Papacy. The new world order thinks that islam is better, why? easy, because itīs a joke of religion and itīs very easy to attack. The christianism, however, is different, rational, and the truth, simple. For this itīs dangerous. And the christianism must be supressed and politicians, and mass media support the islam for this.
Posted by: Franze at November 26, 2006 2:23 PM
Yeah okay Paolo, I'm sure you're the most flawless Catholic out there.
Anyway: 20,000 Turks protest at pope visit
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 2:39 PM
Guys surely we are all on the same side here:
Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Evangelicals, Atheists, Orthodox jews, Reform Jews, Hindus, Buddishts, Athiests, etc English, Italian, Greek, French, American, Canadaian, Aussie, etc ---> If Islam takes over nobody will have any democracy to live in to practice (or not practice) their faith or thier freedom of speech.
Believe me our ever smiling 'friends' at CAIR and extreme muslim groups out there just LOVE it when those gawrsh dawrn infidels argue amongst themselves. I half expect that Naseem will come on here with her "see? you should all become muslims now and they're would be peace!" shpeel. Of course Islams 'peace' is the peace of Shiria law, and the silence of the oppressed, and the quietude of the grave for democratic freedoms.
Paolo, EliasAlucard, Greek Gurl surely we are all on the same side here. Paolo yes you are on the side of the good I see that. bUt calling Greek girl and idiot? Greek Gurl he was supporting you.
Alucard Paolo I know Catholics of all stripes what I (personally) like about them is they dont strap bombs to their asses and shout allah aacbkar.. Come on guys please we are all on the same side here.
Lets all have some nice cold Canadian beer now --Im buyin'. Cheers.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 3:19 PM
PS here is an interesting note. When Robert Spencer and Ali Sina where going to attend something together: Islamic groups tried sending fraudulant emails to them so that Ali and robert's alliance (and friendlship) would be wrecked (the old divide and conquer which Muhammed and other such muslim leaders would try). It didnt work of course. Spencer and Sina are just to smart for that. I think Robert Spencer himself would tell you more about that it was on here a few months ago I believe as a post.
aHA !! I found the article! Its here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006233.php
My point is Islamics love it when you fight amongst yourselves --they want to see any alliance (the ALLIES!) against them quarral amongst themselves and forget the real enemy. The sniveling smiling spectre of hate that now looms over the free world. Their allah ackbar is their seig heil of our timee. Please please dont forget this!
By the way Robert Spencer is Roman Catholic
Ali Sina is agnostic
(me Im Eastern Orthodox-Greek branch)
we all want the freedoms that democracy brings to remain in our lands thats why I hope we can in the spirit of true brotherly love cooperate and STOP this tricky sneaks from taking over the free world.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 26, 2006 3:34 PM
ALLIES, I'm not even trying to argue. Of course we're all on the same side. Paolo here is the problem. He's calling me a "Swedish racist" (which is ridiculous since I'm neither Swedish nor racist). He's calling Greek Gurl idiot, moron and so on. He's calling me ignorant, etc. Then he has the audacity to write this:
"Great God in heaven. Is there NOBODY on this thread with either manners or education?"
I think I've shown more manners than he has in this thread. Paolo needs to accept that there are other Catholics than himself with differing opinions. And Paolo needs to knock it off with his condescending "I'm-the-only-real-Catholic-in-the-world" attitude.
Anyway, whatever we are, we must remember this:
United we stand, divided we fall.
If Islam will conquer the world it's because we non-muslims are divided.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 3:36 PM
Paolo has been posting here for a long time. He has contributed many valuable insights, and historical references. Credit should be given where credit is due...and now it has...
Allies is right, we should not get distracted by petty or minor differences. We are all on the same side...the enemy is watching us for weak spots, lets not show them any...
at November 26, 2006 4:24 PM
ALLIES and EliasAlucard are right.
i just got in, and have not read all of the above, but much of what i have seen so far isn't
pretty.
we in here as guests of JW, let us behave accordingly.
(and when i get stroppy later, you can all remind me that i said that, thank you).
at November 26, 2006 4:36 PM
THE ALLIES SHALL WIN quotes
Paolo, EliasAlucard, Greek Gurl surely we are all on the same side here. Paolo yes you are on the side of the good I see that. bUt calling Greek girl and idiot? Greek Gurl he was supporting you.
no allies as much as i hate islam and ottomans i also hate the people who make excuses for them and justify there actions in Cyprus my family suffered sa a result from that and paolo wants to justfy it all because some facist greek general killed a socialist greek who happened to be Oriana Fallaci lover well as far as i am concerned he can go to hell with islam
at November 26, 2006 4:58 PM
Greek Gurl have you signed this petition?
http://www.hagiasophiablog.com/mainpage.html
Spread the word!
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 26, 2006 5:50 PM
thanks elias i have just signed the petition and i will spread the word.
M Al-Content yes it is not pretty but i have said what i have to say and I stand by it I will not reply to paoblo anymore post anymore or to Oben d'Imishte they are not worth it
Posted by: Greek Gurl
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