A truce with Muslims is only a delay of the inevitable.

Posted by: Foehammer at November 26, 2006 9:46 AM

I would think if the government is not in complete control of their "men", then the government is ALLOWING this to happen. If the government didn't like it, they would get rid of the one's doing it.

They lie. We know it. They know it. There is no peace with these people. Israel should do itself a favor and just go in and get it over with. No one (except muslims) like to kill innocent babies, but we all know they are being brainwashed from birth, and will in time, hold a weapon against Israel.

We are bombarded with muslim atrocities, in the news, EVERY SINGLE DAY, 24/7, they aren't going to change. We need to do it for them.

Again, they are useless breathers.

Posted by: freewoman at November 26, 2006 9:49 AM

Forget Olmert.
Listen to Aumann.

Posted by: Hugh at November 26, 2006 10:09 AM

Olmert is not the leader that Israel needs at this time...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 26, 2006 10:28 AM

Why does Israel keep entering into these farcical "cease fires" agreements with a bunch pathological liars and genocidal murderers? When will Israel learn from its mistakes?

Posted by: Howard, Fine & Howard at November 26, 2006 10:42 AM

"Why does Israel keep entering into these farcical "cease fires" agreements with a bunch pathological liars and genocidal murderers? When will Israel learn from its mistakes?"
-- from a posting above

Israel's population and size is about that of a small American state -- say, Massachusetts. Yet one's expectations for its leaders are high. One expects them to be better, to be more aware of Islam, to be more cunning. Why? Partly because one cannot quite accept that this tiny state has leaders not much different from, in their mediocrity, most of the leaders of the Western world, and the more keen one's understanding of what is at stake -- for Israel, for the West if Israel goes under, for the world if the West is demoralized -- the more disturbed and disheartened one may become.

Of course one sympathizes. Imagine living in Israel, and seeing your son or sons have to go to war, knowing with a certainty that he will. Imagine knowing that your daughter or daughers will have to serve in the army, that you yourself, if male, will every year have to serve in the "miluim" doing reserve duty, and risking your life on many occasions. Imagine that you have a choice, between thinking that somehow this "conflict" (not Lesser Jihad, for you have not been taught, and no almost nothing about, Islam even if you see it all around you, but do not take it in) can be solved if only Israel offers compromise after compromise, or rather carefully refuses to make its own strongest case, and instead prates endlessly about "peace" and "truces" and "peace processes" (as the outside world has led it to do), and for a perfectly understandable reason.

It is too painful, for many in Israel, to study Islam and the history of Islam and to realize that there is no conceivable surrender of more territory that will make a difference. Israel is an Infidel state, in the middle of Dar al-Islam. It must, simply must, in the Muslim view, be reduced until it can be forced to dissolve altogether (the Slow Jihad of Abbas and Fatah), or be weakened by loss of control of territory, invasion routes, the heights of Judea, and indispensable aquifers), so that a military onslaught can be undertaken (the Fast Jihad of Hamas).

If a sufficient number of Israelis could get a mental grip on the problem, analyze it in all its bleakness, then soberly prepare to divide and demoralize the enemy, to stop squandering the lives of Israelis by playing absurdly according to this "purity-of-arms" hyper-Marquess of Queensberry rules, and by making Israel's case, which is an overwhelming one, beginning by ceasing to use that phrase "Palestinian people" and revealing, step by step, how Arab and Muslim propaganda has been used to misrepresent the legal, historic, and mo9ral claim of the Jews to their tiny strip consisting, despite the original intent of the Mandates Commission of the League of Nations, only of Western Palestine (with the other 78% of the land originally intended to be part of the territory of Mandatory Palestine made, by a unilateral British act, off-limits to the application of the mandatory provisions pertaining to Jewish immigration and settlement).

Can the Israelis find leaders intelligent and wise enough to do all this?

They have no choice. They must.

Posted by: Hugh at November 26, 2006 11:01 AM

Olmert needs to go right now. l heard on fox news this monring at how well the cease fire is doing. they did mentions somre rockets fired on Israel by Hammas, but l guess not bad enough. l wonder how the US would like it if sporadic missiles would be lobed over from say Mexico, not enought to kill a lot of people, but keep you on your toes, of the same happened to some European country, say Turkey into Germany. how much patience would they show, how much restraint would be allowed to use up before things got all ugly. Israel needs to do what is right for them, and stop delaying the inevitable.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 26, 2006 11:03 AM

"There is a 100 percent effort to make this work, but there is no guarantee of 100 percent results"

This is almost word for word idential to the rhetoric from a few years ago that the Pals used to cover their terrorist activities against Israel. Dejavu all over again.

I guess it is good PR for Israel, and they certainly can use it, but I don't think anyone with an ounce of sense is buying this as a genuine cease-fire. Israel should use the moment to organize a massive assault into Gaza, to be launched at the next (certainly imminent) rocket attack, formally declare war against Hamas, annex as much of Gaza as they can into Israel proper, and send the Arabs living there to Egypt.

Posted by: bluezion at November 26, 2006 12:21 PM

It truly is a pity that someone can't build a giant bulldozer to simply plow all of Gaza under. Anyone who still thinks land for peace is a good idea after seeing the mess the palestinians have made in that toilet has to have rocks in their head. They are not interested in peace or building a nation for themselves-never have been,never will be. The palestinians are without exception THE worst of the Islamaniac world-Iran,Iraq,Saudi Arabia,Pakistan don't even come close to these supreme "victims" of everything imaginable (mostly from their imaginations one might add). Israel should simply use an iron fist and be done woth them once and for all. THAT is the only thing the palestinians seem to understand.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 26, 2006 12:31 PM

It appears that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have NOT agreed to this truce. Who exactly was it who agreed not to launch rockets? The Palestinian Rotary Club and the Gaza Kiwanis?

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 26, 2006 12:45 PM

To stop the fighting in the Gaza, you have to now negotiate with ALL the enemies of Israel. No longer is it just a Palestinian/Israeli problem.

It is highly unlikely that a complete cease-fire will truly ever be put into affect, now that Islamonazi facists of every type have surrounded Israel...

P.S. - If I have any slips of the fingers today while typing, I'm sorry, but I gave up smoking the other day and I'm going through Nic Fits right now... Grrrrr... Makes it difficult to concentrate!

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 26, 2006 12:51 PM

The conundrum of Israel and the impossibility of peace with Islam.

We all know that there is no solution to the problem, we all know that Islam and muslims will never ever, can never ever, make peace with Israel.

They don't even accept the reality of the existence of the state of Israel..they refer to it in their media and conversation as Jews and Zionist entity. never as Israel or Israeli.

Anyone can google and read the Hamas charter, but this article speaks to all of Islam not just an organization called HAMAS The Dilemma of Acknowedging Israel

Peace is not possible nor even a hudna, and it is vain to think so and misleading and treasonous for Israeli politicians to even mention or hold out the hope of such to it's citizens.

What is inexplicable to me is the obvious fact that Israel DOES NOT teach it's children or it's people the real nature and truth of Islam ...for obviously (considering the ignorant peace movement and resist movements in Israel)the people themselves and even the soldiers are ignorant of Islamic bloodlust, vengance, intolerance and the futility of even talking of a peace with Islam.

Muslims would rather die of starvation, thirst and lack of medical care (for such is the route to "martyrdom") than stop the violence, rebuild their country and live in economic and social prosperty.

The same goes in Iraq...what is mind boggling is that Israelis and Americans can't wrap their minds around that reality.. they project onto the muslims their own beliefs and motives.. motives of "freedom", "democracy" and economic well being...all of which are either alien to, or unimportant to the muslim...more important than anything to the Arab/Muslim mind is tawhid (unity), the deen (faith) and the community of believer (ummah), muruwwa (Manhood,pride, face, honor) and vengance.

We are not dealing with rational people here, and that is why all of our overtures, efforts, policy wanks are failures and baying at the moon.

Posted by: Nariz at November 26, 2006 12:52 PM

In recent years Israel's m-o has been to hedge each action with apologies. Or they cede moral ground to their enemies. They apoplogize for dropoping bombs; they warn terroprists before they attack their arms depots. All this just serves to advance the cause of their enemies. If their enemies are worth destroying why not just destroy them?

Israel is often its own worst enemy.

SP

Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 26, 2006 1:12 PM

Israel is often its own worst enemy.

SP

Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 26, 2006 01:12 PM

The same can be said of the whole West. If it didn't always help and prop up the Muslim world either deliberately or not Islam would be in its death throes by now.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 26, 2006 1:17 PM

As Israel goes, so goes freedom. They invented the stuff, so if they go down we go down, even if 20 yrs later.

If demographics is the scary part of this dynamic, nuclear weapons being to look like warming coals in the home's hearth.

610 * 623 * 732 * 1066 * 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

And, while I'm at it, Liberal Jews look particularly disgusting right now. Turncoats.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 26, 2006 1:37 PM

It was not clear what action the forces would take against those launching rockets.

They have no music, or I woulda guessed that they'd play the fiddle. They have no art, or I woulda guessed that they'd create beauty.

So what the soldiers of this legitimized Jihad war terrorists will do is sit around on their dead asses (squatting on their billfolds filled with Euros and Dollars), and let others take care of their business.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 26, 2006 1:45 PM

so what do you think should happen Nariz, give up ,roll over play dead? now this is coming from a person you said knows no history, but how do you think Japan was defeated? their emperor was regarded as a living God. Japanese did not give up right away even after the first nuke. so we build a wall around the WEst, deport the muslims. you and l know that will never happen.. l am waiting oh brilliant one.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 26, 2006 2:09 PM

Israel will not find the strong, decisive leader it needs because Israel is primarily a Jewish state. That means its voters are mostly Jewish. Jews, by and large, are not aggressive, not survivalists, and with the exception of a business takeover, they are not the most decisive people in the world.

Jews think too much. They analyze things to death. That is why psychiatry is a highly Jewish-manned profession, founded by a Jew. As a culture, they don't think in terms of black and white. The Torah advocates taking into account the nuances of every situation. This makes Jews great debaters, but they debate with each other. Rarely do they argue with or debate with muslims.

The Simpsons had a funny episode where they try to convince Crusty's father to accept his prodigal son's choice of profession, after the old rabbi declares, "I have no son!". In a sauna, Bart and Lisa confront the old man, and several other rabbis in the sauna with him, trying to convince him not to have a change of heart take his son back. In that effort, they quote passages of wisdom from the Torah. The father fires back with his own verses. The other rabbis can't decide which Torah verse to abrogate, the pro-Crusty ones issued by Bart and Lisa, or the anti-Crusty ones issued by his father. They vacillate on the issue with each tidbit of wisdom.

In islam , we see the opposite. They are pretty much unified in their interpretation of the Koran and never, never analyze anything. The diametric opposite of the Jews. How many muslim psychiatrists do you know? Unfortunately for the Jews, this middle eastern dichotomy works against them.

Additionally, secular Jews are traditionally liberal, left-leaning, and thus have a deep-seated distrust of the West and a innate sympathy for other "disenfranchised" non-western peoples. Modern Judaism and the Left are inextricably intertwined. This handcuffs them in their battle for survival, in Israel, with the muslims, as they never seem to be able to strike without restraint, out of respect for the non-western peoples they are striking. Olmert personifies this hesitance to use overwhelming force. Israel only uses enough force for defence, eschewing offensive measures as "right wing". Israel needs blitzkreig but instead feels more comfortable with the Maginot line. Perhaps the Nazi's use of the former makes them uncomfortable. Like the troubled main character in a Woody Allen movie, little things like that may cause consternation in the Jewish mind.

There is something in the collective Jewish character, perhaps it is social, perhaps it is religious, perhaps even comic, that seems to inhibit Israel from treating its enemies the way any other country would treat such neighbors in the same historical situation. Only Israel suffers the abuse and denigration decade after decade, abuse no other ethnic nation state would put up with for that length of time.

So, no, I don't think such leaders will be culled from any Jewish election process. Now, or ever. They once had Netanyahu, and they threw him out. And even he is not the hawk people think he is. Their culture does not produce such people. It is far better, and much more famous, for producing Dr. Harvey Milquetoast, the psychiatrist, than Ghengis Khan.

Posted by: August22 at November 26, 2006 2:34 PM

"They once had Netanyahu, and they threw him out."

They also had Ariel Sharon. While in the army, he understood how to fight those who wanted to destroy Israel (remember the invasion of Lebanon) and he was all but destroyed because of it.

Israel can't fight these savages the way they need to be fought because its political patron, the US, won't allow it.

After the oil shocks of the 1970s, followed by the hostage crisis in Iran and all the "death to America" propaganda that comes out of the Middle East, we still think if we play nice they'll come around. It's the definition of insanity.
We are still living in 1943(?) when the Saudis and FDR had a meeting of the minds. We still think the Saudis and Jordanians are our allies. We are living in a fantasyland and we will be the ones who bring about Israel's demise, whether we want to admit it or not.

Posted by: PMK at November 26, 2006 2:50 PM

August22 l generally agree with you, l think though when the chips are down, Israel will clean out their clocks. You have to admire their will to fight for their land. Some may think their fair play in fighting this war is a weakness? Western Europe and US/Cda
are very much like Israel in that regards. when ever our countries unite, that is when the liberals go a little to the right, and united there will be no stopping. sometimes l think we should hire US football coaches to take charge of the military, as these coaches fight to win. there has been so much anaylsis of Vietnam with this war, and when the North Vietmans military have been quoted saying they militarily lost the war. The US media and other appologist anti war made defeat the only option. Kissinger a true diplomat, that is one who talks out of both sides of their mouth, did such a disservice by implementing this Vietnam withdrawl, that the tragic scars are still being felt.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 26, 2006 3:20 PM

Well, the chips are down. What is Israel waiting for? They are waiting for the US to strike Iran, so they don't have to. But America will do no such thing. Especially not if the democrats take the Whitehouse in 2008. So Israel is left alone with Iran and the rest of the muslim madhouse, and they dither. Netanyahu said on Glenn Beck this week that the longer you wait to strike Iran, the harder it will be to get the job done. So why is Israel waiting?

It is true that Israel is constrained by the US, but only by a waving of a finger. Israel would be wise to strike now, with Bush in office, than wait for Hilary and Nancy Pelosi in two years time.

In order for Israel to survive, it will have to do a very unJewish thing very soon. They will have to attack, attack first, attack hard, without mercy, and not care who says what afterwards. And stop ANALYZING.

Posted by: August22 at November 26, 2006 3:37 PM

ISLAMFORLOSERS: You are correct but Israel is far far worse about this than the rest of the West. Maybe they think that apologizing and warning makes them more moral or fulfills some weird moral duty, I don't know.

If your enemies worth destroying then destroy them, utterly. Why hestitate? If people are guarding an arms depot, so then kill them too. Do they (the Israelis) think that incident in Gaza when the Palis rushed to protect an arms and terrorist depot "causing" the Israelis to hold their fire, do they think they earn any brownie points with...with the UN? God? Louise Arbour? Human Rights Watch? If so, they are seriously deluded.

Even this fake cease fire: Why always be the ones to show restraint? If your enemies can count on your showing restraint, why wouldn't they factor that into their actions? I would. Everyone would.

Sure, have a cease fire, but if its violated, then its over. See, wasn't that simple?

SP

Posted by: Seymour Paine at November 26, 2006 4:45 PM

An article by Naomi Ragen pretty much sums it up. In fact it applies to all of us and our own countries.
Sorry there was no URL -just a copy/paste job.
------------------------------------------------

Enemies and Allies
By
Naomi Ragen

I was in the middle of leafing through former Israeli Chief
Rabbi Lau's moving autobiography of his childhood in
concentration camps, when I came across a photo of a young
person who survived Hitler, only to die as a soldier in
Israel's War of Independence. That night, I happened to go
to youtube to watch Glenn Beck's remarkable documentary
aired on CNN's Headline News. In it I saw footage of an
Egyptian television show about how a young girl's eyes are
stolen and given to the Zionists. Other television shows on
Arab channels show Jews hunting Christian children for
their blood, which is needed (what else?) to bake Passover
matzohs.

It suddenly occurred to me that Hitler's war against the
Jews is not over. Sixty years later, the same irrational,
sick hatred, racism, fascism has targeted us again. Unlike
my foolish brethren in Peace Now who seek the approval of
those who hate them, I do not. There is no need to search
out reasons why my children (all of whom were born in Israel
and so certainly can claim the same rights as anybody born
in Jordan or Syria whose parents once had a house here)
deserve to be vilified and targeted and terrorized and
harmed, just as there is no reason to search out the crimes
of six million of our brothers and sisters who lived in
other lands, lands which told them they were being murdered
because their noses were too long, or because they were
ruling the world, or because they refused to go back to
Palestine. Such reasons can only be found in the despicable
nature of the culture and society which breeds our enemies,
people whose sole contribution to mankind is bottomless evil
and depravity. I spit on them all, and on their friends and
supporters and apologists.

And to those who believe our very existence on this little
piece of desert land is their just grievance, a grievance
that must be avenged and redressed, I say this, quoting Zeev
Jabotinsky: "We hold that Zionism is moral and just. And
since it is moral and just, justice must be done, no matter
whether Joseph or Simon or Ivan or Achmet agree with it or
not. There is no other morality....this does not mean that
there cannot be any agreement with the Palestine Arabs. What
is impossible is a voluntary agreement. As long as the Arabs
feel that there is the least hope of getting rid of us, they
will refuse to give up this hope in return for either kind
words or for bread and butter, because they are not a
rabble, but a living people. And when a living people yields
in matters of such a vital character it is only when there
is no longer any hope of getting rid of us, because they can
make no breach in the iron wall. Not till then will they
drop their extremist leaders whose watchword is "Never!" And
the leadership will pass to the moderate groups, who will
approach us with a proposal that we should both agree to
mutual concessions. But the only way to obtain such an
agreement, is the iron wall, which is to say a strong power
in Palestine that is not amenable to any Arab pressure. In
other words, the only way to reach an agreement in the
future is to abandon all idea of seeking an agreement at
present."

We are at war. It is not one of our choosing, but one that
has been unleashed upon us, every single Jew in the world,
and every other person who doesn't pray to Mecca, as well as
many who do. This not a new war, but a continuation of an
old one. The enemy has changed his outfits and his
philosophies, and his laundry list of grievances, but his
character and his agenda remains the same: to torture and
kill and destroy. The beast is hard at work. I see the
signs of him winking out at me in the careless, anti
American banter of late night talk show hosts, and the
headlines of almost all newspapers. Everyone has jumped on
the bandwagon. All of them siding with the dictators and the
beheaders and the religious fanatics for oh such liberal
reasons. Yet, I haven't lost hope. While as a religious Jew,
I am hoping for a miracle, I also know that God helps those
who help themselves. What we need is clarity.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

1. When someone- whether it is the Prime Minister of Israel,
or a Syrian diplomat or Condoleezza Rice- say they are in
favor of "a two-state solution, Israel and Palestine living
side by side in mutual harmony and respect" what they are
really saying is that they are in favor of the demise of the
State of Israel. Proof: The disengagement from Gaza, a
mini two state solution, which has resulted in thousands of
rocket attacks on Southern Israel, reaffirming the fact that
the so-called Palestinians do not want a state of their own,
but to destroy the State of Israeland all the Jews who live
there. Those advocating this are siding with our enemies.

2. When someone says they are in favor of the unilateral
withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, what they are saying is
that they favor the capitulation and appeasement of the
Western democracies to the Islamic terror network. They
should be viewed as siding with our enemies.

3. When someone says that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict
is the source of world-wide Islamic terror, what they are
saying is that the dirty Jews brought it all on themselves,
and they should go back into the ovens so that the world can
have peace again. What they are saying is that they think
it's a dispute over land far away from their safe little
homes, and that once the Islamic jihadists have wiped Israel
off the map, they will be satisfied. What they are saying
is that they never read a history book and don't know that
this happened only 60 years ago, and the Jews were
sacrificed, but that didn't satisfy Hitler, and millions of
ordinary folks who "didn't want to get involved" had their
lives and families destroyed anyway.They should be viewed as
siding with our enemies.

4. When someone says they support "Palestinian rights," they
are in favor of Palestinian terrorism. The Palestinian
people- who didn't exist before the State of Israel (the
people existed, but they didn't call themselves
Palestinians. In fact, they were very indignant if you
called them Palestinians)-are a tool in the hands of the
megalomaniac Arab world, run by gunmen and dictators, to
destroy the Jewish State. They do not want a State of their
own. If they did, they'd be growing tomatoes in the
hothouses of Gush Katif handed to them on a silver platter,
instead logging bombs at Israeli schools. Their supporters,
whether Israelis, Americans, Europeans, or Arabs should be
viewed as siding with our enemies

We believe that the following steps need to be taken to
secure the continued freedom of Israel, religion and Western
values in the world. Anyone in favor of these steps, can be
viewed as allies.

1. America needs to find out the identity of the terrorists
in Iraq, and declare war on those who finance, supply, and
send them.

2. War must be declared on all Islamic terror organizations
world-wide. Israel needs to destroy Hamas, PLO, Islamic
Jihad, and completely demilitarize the West Bank and Gaza.
Egypt must be condemned world-wide for allowing the transfer
of huge weapons shipments through her border into Gaza, her
anti Semitic television programs, and her support for
violent Islamic rhetoric. Anyone found with weapons in the
West Bank and Gaza should be deported and their home blown
to bits.

3. The U.N., in its present form, needs to be shut down.
U.N. "peacekeeping" forces need to be recalled. U.N. refugee
camps in the West Bank and Gaza need to be shut down, as
they are breeding grounds for terror. If the U.N. can be
revamped to reflect its original agenda, it can reopen.
Otherwise, it should be thrown out of New York, the
building ragzed, and affordable apartments built for
American families on the same spot.

4. Iran must dismantle her nuclear program now. If not,
massive bombing of Iran should commence until unconditional
surrender is reached.

5. Iran and Syria must be held responsible for the
Hezbollah. Any aggressive act by Hezbollah, should involve
retaliation against them.

5. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland, Norway, Sweden,
the U.K. and the rest of Western Europe must begin deporting
immigrants involved in terror, or those who attend rallies
advocating murder, beheadings, and riots. Mosques and
medrassas, and Middle Eastern departments at Western
Universities funded by Saudi Arabia and advocating extremist
Wahabi Islamic teachings must be shut down, and all
personnel investigated, jailed or deported.
Saudi Arabia must not be allowed to finance religious
institutions abroad until it allows synagogues and churches
to be built and run in Saudi Arabia.

6. All journalists and their media news outlets must be
thoroughly investigated. Those found guilty of consistently
and knowingly taking bribes from Saudi Arabia, publishing
Islamic propaganda as news, publishing outright lies, and/or
doctored photos should have criminal charged filed against
them for aiding and abetting Islamic terrorism. All those
organizations and individuals found guilty, must be shut
down, their licenses revoked, and criminal charges filed
against them. Special charges must be filed against news
organizations that give in to Islamic threats and apologize,
or change the news to curry favor with terrorists.

Well, that's it for starters. I welcome additions to the
list.

Naomi

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 5:04 PM

Here is the link to the Glenn Beck CNN documentary mentioned above.

[Note by Tom Gross]

This is the last in a series of three dispatches this week
on militant Islam.

EXPOSED ON CNN: THE EXTREMIST AGENDA

This documentary, screened on the American (but not so far
on the international) version of CNN, has now been posted on
You Tube, and it is so important that I strongly recommend
everyone to make time to watch it in full:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8
&eurl=

CNN host Glenn Beck criticizes the rest of the Western
media, including by implication his own station CNN, for
drastically failing to properly report on Islamic extremism.

Beck says he decided to show some of the remarkable footage
the rest of the mainstream media refuses to show because
"Islamic extremism is the biggest threat to our way of life
since World War Two and we'll never be able to fight it if
we can't even see it."

His program contains many of the examples cited on this
email list over the past seven years - finally shown in a
prominent way on a major TV network. It also includes
important footage of the Iranian president. Several of those
interviewed in the program are subscribers to this email
list.

Even if you don't have time to watch the full 41 minutes, I
suggest you at least watch the opening. Some of the most
gripping interviews and footage are to be found in the
middle and the end of the program, including the children's
cartoons urging children to kill Jews.

We can wait in hope for European and other TV networks to
rebroadcast this program.

-- Tom Gross

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 5:08 PM

Gramfan the link you posted does not work, is there another way to get to it? thanks in advance.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 26, 2006 6:34 PM

Zenawarriorprincess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWIK8YTZS8&eurl> &eurl=

Try this; it worked for me.

Be certain that you get the last "&eurl"

Regards

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 26, 2006 6:40 PM

Zena,, are these any better?
I had kept them for a few days. One is from Honest Reporting.

I started watching the one from HR: I was almost ill. I have seen "relentless" and "Obsession", and also a preview of "Islam - what the West Needs to Know" accessible from Robert's link.
Hope this helps,
Gramfan

http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=3PWIK8YTZS8&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//sjl-static5.sjl.youtube.com/vi/3PWIK8YTZS8/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLLcS2Je3XDr6M7m7U8TDRU

"Note 1: You Tube are sometimes forced to remove material,
and in case they do, Glenn Beck's documentary can also be
seen in a Windows Media format at:
http://euphoricreality.com/2006/11/16/video-exposed-the-extr
emist-agenda

Note 2: Those with time might also wish to watch this second
documentary: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho9jc9hjMvs
&NR

Note 3: Some servers did not deliver the previous two Islam
dispatches this week. If you want to read them, they can be
found here:

* "'Political correctness gone mad': Christian charity bans
Christmas" (Nov. 22, 2006)
www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000801.html

* "So busy attacking Israel, they forgot about these
beheadings" (Nov. 21, 2006)
www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000800.html"

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 6:41 PM

The people that govern (and governed) Israel never learn or they hope and hope and hope. In either case, they are not fit to govern. Whether Israel's people (Jews) ever wake up is in doubt.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 26, 2006 6:43 PM

Unicorn,,,thanks!
Had a short coffee break and missed Zena's request!

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 6:43 PM

"The people that govern (and governed) Israel never learn or they hope and hope and hope. In either case, they are not fit to govern. Whether Israel's people (Jews) ever wake up is in doubt.

Posted by: unicorns62000"

I think the Israeli's that fought the 6-Day War etc, the Gold Meirs the Moshe Dayans would have known what to do.That was quite a while ago and now a new generation of Israeli's who are too far removed from the Holocaust and these wars don't understand what "Never Again" means.

Back then the world and the press were behind Israel who was seen as the underdog. Not any more! This makes a big difference, let alone the issue of oil.

I agree they don't understand the islamic mind.

In any case, what you have said could easily be applied to most western dhimmi governments!
Sad, but true).

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 6:49 PM

Hmm. I wonder why Hamas is acquiescing to a truce, and why now ? It’s not like they need to garner any kind of world sympathy, of which they have plenty of. The Europeans are pretty much on the border of caving in(if they haven’t already) and readying themselves to throw cash at these thugs in the hopes of appeasing the Islamic beast within.
What strategic advantage do they get out of this? Were Israeli troops beginning to interrupt the flow of Egyptian arms smuggled in? It is frustrating to see Israel accepting yet another truce which clearly gives them no advantage whatsoever…in the slim hope of obtaining an illusory peace.

Posted by: zionist canuck at November 26, 2006 6:57 PM

I forget who posted this link: It was also on another 'blog I visit, am pretty sure someone here mentioned it also.Sorry if I forgot your name.
It's worth a look.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/turnspeak.html

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 6:59 PM

Gramfan,

You're most welcome. I missed the airings on CNN and am glad to be able to see Glenn Beck's valiant effort now. Thanks for posting the youtube address.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 26, 2006 7:05 PM

I think the Israeli's that fought the 6-Day War etc, the Gold Meirs the Moshe Dayans would have known what to do.That was quite a while ago and now a new generation of Israeli's who are too far removed from the Holocaust and these wars don't understand what "Never Again" means.

Golda Meir and her compatriots were also Western allies during the Cold War. The Palestinians and other Arab terror groups were held in check by their chief sponsor: Russia. The Six Day War occurred before Arabs knew how to use their oil monopoly against the West. Iran was ruled by the Shah and was an ally of both the US and Israel. Times have changed. The world has gotten smaller and the US, beginning in 1992, began pressuring the Israelis to accept peace at any price. Golda Meir would not know what to make of this new world, with its International Criminal Court that accuses legitimate elected governments of war crimes because they responded to attacks against their people.

Posted by: PMK at November 26, 2006 7:17 PM

PMK and OLD SARGE:

All good points!

Trouble is that this " history " thing is not being taught so people of this generation don't know all the facts.

Combine that with arab propaganda, and oil and therein lies the recipe for our current disaster: not just Israel, but the rest of us westerners.

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 7:45 PM

P.S. - If I have any slips of the fingers today while typing, I'm sorry, but I gave up smoking the other day and I'm going through Nic Fits right now... Grrrrr... Makes it difficult to concentrate!

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 26, 2006 12:51 PM

How's it going? Hope you're holding up......

Posted by: Alert at November 26, 2006 7:49 PM

Bet Condi "Rosa Parks" Rice will pretend the truce is broken by Israel not Palestinian barbarians....

Posted by: Alert at November 26, 2006 9:17 PM

Good post I'm posting it under "When is a Truce Not a Truce"?

thanks Gramfan for all the good links.

I did a post on exploding grandmothers, that got a lot of hits, thanks those of you that came by , everytime you click on sites you support their rating goes up, and the messages goes out. thanks

Posted by: Cyberray at November 26, 2006 9:22 PM

Glen Beck Extremist Agenda exposed
Glenn Beck making outrageous claims about Muslims in in America
Islamaphobia - are among the inital responses-
Why do I get the feeling that Glenn Beck is suddenly not going to be very popular.

Posted by: Cyberray at November 26, 2006 9:39 PM

gramfan; yes you tube sometimes removes videos because they see it as offensive to their religion. But you can go to their site or mine or theirs for that matter and watch americans getting dismembered, Now that's okay.
And recruiting videos are ok too.
Just don't offend the prophet by saying he encourages violence, that would really piss me off AND I WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU

Posted by: Cyberray at November 26, 2006 9:48 PM

Glen Beck making 'outrageous statements' about Islam in America? Mayhaps you haven't been reading the news lately- We have Muslims right here in this country both funding terrorists and teaching their kids to hate Jews and America- Rallies in the streets calling for the murder of innocent Jews, mosques preaching hatred and filth- Nah- Terror coddlers might scream 'Islamophobia' but those that investigate the truth know better- http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop at November 26, 2006 10:54 PM

The Glenn Beck link has been posted at Andrew Bolt's 'blog at one of the MSM rags.
There is a really "good" comment by a muslim!

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/footage_of_the_hatred_you_are_never_shown/

If you are still up and about, have a look.

Posted by: Gramfan at November 26, 2006 11:39 PM

a little story of a 'loving' mother and her palestinian son. oh can you just feel the love?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egwz25fW0Co&mode=related&search=

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 27, 2006 12:33 AM

ANyone know how Elmert become PM? Was he elected or did he take over from a different position when Sharon became too ill?

He seems kind of week. Too early to really tho...

Posted by: Tookson at November 27, 2006 2:23 AM

you know how you have to clean house once in a while and get of junk and trash? Well, I did and I'd like to sell some of the stuff. There's some old books and old clothes and some broken furniture --and there's an olmert. An olmert is a device that is good for simple tasks like sweeping the streets, washing dishes, scrubbing toilets. However, the olmert has to be kept away from anything too serious, like politics, for it has a corrupting effect. I'm offering my old olmert at a bargain price. How much am I offered?

Tookson, olmert is probably the most corrupt prime minister we've ever had. He was deputy prime minister under Sharon. When Sharon went into his permanent coma in January, olmert took office as pm. Then we had an election in March. Olmert's party, Qadima, was predicted to win 44 out of 120 seats. However, they only won 29. That is, they won less than one-quarter of the seats. Moreover, many people, especially young people, were fed up with the politicians as a whole and did not vote at all [this last election had the highest abstention rate ever] or voted for a joke party. Many young people in fact voted for the Pensioners' party, probably thinking that it was an innocuous group and voting for them would be a "cool" protest. Anyhow, they're crooks too and they helped olmert form a govt. So olmert does not have a mandate to do anything drastic in the way of change. He has no mandate, since he represents less than 1/4 of those who actually voted. People do not consider him their leader. He simply holds office, since his party is the biggest, although a different govt coalition could have been formed. Several criminal investigations of olmert are going on. With God's help. . .

Posted by: Eliyahu at November 27, 2006 5:45 AM

Eliyahu:

Thanks for the info.

It sounds like they badly need to raise the minimum voting age in Israel. Your governmental system is too populist so a lot of crazy fringe groups wield too much power, unlike the USA where we only have two parties and therefore they are more moderate.

Olmert will probably subdivide Israel into oblivion."Land for Peace" is the same as LOSING the war without any resistance, bc the war is fought for the land.

The Palestinians are just an excuse for Muslims to hate the Jews. If the Palestinian Muslims really believe the Bible like they claim, then why don't they consent to God's own vision and promise for the Israelites? We are all equal in Christ (Galatians 3:28), but the Promised Land belongs to the Jews.

Posted by: Tookson at November 27, 2006 2:47 PM

Eliyahu has expressed how the majority of us in Israel feels concerning Olmert. The question is how we can get the people to the streets the way they did in Lebanon for the funeral of Gemayel, which turned into a political protest. We are so complacent!!!

Posted by: TeachESL at November 27, 2006 2:57 PM

Dear Teach, your question is my question. How do we get the masses into the streets like the Lebanese came out against the murder of Gemayel and against the Hizbullah-Syrian-Iranian takeover of their country? How? One problem is our media, print and electronic, most of the media anyhow. Did you see, by the way, Oren Nahari on Saturday night on Ro'im `Olam toadying up to the vicious international Judeophobe, Louise Arbour? His questions were so soft, like powder puffs, whereas Arbour has done and does nothing to stop the mass murder in Sudan which has been going on for years.

The people in Sderot were right to get angry over arbour's vicious hypocrisy. Do readers of JW/DW know that when louise arbour, UN "human rights" commissioner came to Sderot, the town in southern Israel so often hit by Arab rockets shot from Gaza, that she was shouted down, stoned, and that her guards felt it necessary to get her out of there pronto, as the police held back angry protestors? This woman arbour has the moral sensitivity of a gardern slug, which she displayed in Yugoslavia before coming to the Middle East to make our lives more difficult. http://telchaination.blogspot.com/2006/11/un-human-rights-commisioner-gets.html

Posted by: Eliyahu at November 28, 2006 3:50 AM