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Recurring themes: displacement of responsibility ("CRUSADES: What a very peaceful walk!"), assertions of Islamic theological supremacism ("Jesus is not Son of God. He is a prophet of Islam" and "We as Muslims...accepted Jesus as our prophet"), along with a nice nod to Edvard Munch.
Posted by Robert at November 27, 2006 8:24 AM
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I had no idea Eglish was the national language of Turkey.
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at November 27, 2006 8:40 AM
The truth will set you free. More people should see what the imposition of Islamic reality will be for those geographical areas which are forced to adopt such a cult as the basis for a new polity.
at November 27, 2006 8:43 AM
The non-Muslim world is waking up to what they are up against. As a Christian and as a Catholic, these folks in the pictures do not worship the same God as I. They worship their "real God", which is Satan, the head Devil of the all the demons.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 27, 2006 8:47 AM
americaningermany, don't keep your hopes up. It's the same thing here in Sweden: no Swedish news site is reporting anything about the Pope and the Islam crisis he's been involved with. Not even when the entire islamic world was violently protesting against him when it all broke out.
I don't know why, but it seems to me they don't want "islamophobia" to increase, so they censor themselves instead.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 8:50 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
I looked at the pictures, especially of the womens....proud to be part of Islam...and not a hair out of place or in sight....
...someday all womens will dress like this...Allah be praised!
Peace & Jilbabs be unto you...Salam
Posted by: Naseem at November 27, 2006 8:53 AM
What Naseem, you're afraid of hair too? Unbelievable!
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 8:55 AM
americaningermany, EliasAlucard,
I am not all that suprised at all that the news reports in both Germany and Sweden would not show this because they are scared of any possible threats. I do hope that in the USA there is much more news honesty in the reporting.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 27, 2006 8:55 AM
I'm still waiting to see this reported on a German news channel...and waiting...and waiting....
americaningermany,
Read the Spiegel on http://www.spiegel.de instead, there are always updates coming in.
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 8:57 AM
I pity the poor women in these pictures. It is one thing to dress modest and simple in western clothes. What they wear is just simply too oppressive and extreme.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 27, 2006 9:00 AM
Oh yeah, here are two Swedish news sites writing about Benedict's visit to Turkey, and guess what? No one is reading these sites since they're not Aftonbladet or Expressen:
http://news.google.com/news?ned=sv_se&ncl=1134861100&hl=sv
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:00 AM
"The true religion in the sight of Allah is Islam"
Quran 3:19
This is the same Islam that claims that "Allah" has no son (Surah 4:171), and that Jesus was neither killed nor crucified (Sura 4:157).
Mohammad is the type of false christ and false prophet that Jesus warned us of in the Gospels.
eg:
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Islam, like its "god" and its "prophet" is a fake,
and is doomed.
Maranatha
Posted by: Xaragma at November 27, 2006 9:02 AM
Re: Pope Rage in Turkey:
Treating beliefs as if they are scientific fact and desiring to impose the beliefs on others is mental illness. It is like insisting others believe the earth is flat or that Unicorns exist and insisting that others must believe. It's a mental illness.
What I have just written will one day be viewed as obvious truth even by Muslims. However, just as Nazi beliefs had to be burned from the earth because Hitler and Co. insisted they must be forced on the world, so too Islam faces a similar fate because of the incessant propaganda that demonizes Jews and other Kafirs and the sick (similar to Nazism) instance of the unquestionable truth of the belief-system.
It's a mental illness.
at November 27, 2006 9:03 AM
Frankly, this is why I read JihadWatch because I'm tired of Swedish news media not reporting anything critical about Islam due to political correctness.
Instead, we have that moron Jan Guillou defending islam every chance he gets and describing the USA as the greatest evil of our time.
Sweden ought to be ashamed of him. Unfortunately, Sweden is a leftist country.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:04 AM
As an artist my eyes must be playing tricks on me.
When I look at the photo of the cartoon and see the Pope looking into the face of Satan I see it as a picture, not a mirror. Complete with a label. 'Islam' written across the top.
Will CAIR go after me if I give everyone on my Christmas gift list a nice T-shirt that looks like a Crusader smock? After all it's just a red cross. Right?
How about one with a crossed out circle with the word Dhimmi underneath?
Posted by: auntbea at November 27, 2006 9:05 AM
Assalamau Laikum AIG,
You say "Hope people will get sick of the disgusting muslims in their own neighbourhoods and find a way to do away with the plague".
There are currently more than three million immigrants, descendants of immigrants, and naturalised citizens and political refugees from Turkey in Western Europe.
This is the largest non-European immigrant group in the Union.
Although its members are found in practically every Member State, Germany alone harbours two-thirds of the community, despite this good news there are some problems.
Economic exclusion; cultural marginality, which is asserted notably by the persistence of ethnic family traditions, such as the code of honour and finding a spouse from one's parents' village; the widespread lack of mastery of the host country's language;
One of the biggest problems the turks complain about is that not enough Germans are taking the the time or care to learn Turkish for integration purposes. This has led to the severe problems of socio-economic integration with which Turkish immigrants and their descendants are faced are well known.
The young people have high academic failure rates and are often relegated to vocational education.
Turks have been politely been asking for exams in turkish...AIG, when are we likely to see this trend?
at November 27, 2006 9:07 AM
Fertility Map of Europe (1998)
The map colors in Europe and the Middle East by
fertility rate. White means 1.1 to 1.69. Most of Europe is in this range. Replacement is 2.1 to 2.2.
Almost all of Europe is below that. Turkey and North Africa are the two feeders of high fertility into Europe.
Population and fertility will fluctuate. If population fluctuates around a mean, but there is immigration when its below its mean, then over time all the genes present at any date will go extinct.
The admission of Turkey will result in it flooding the Balkans, and they in turn will flee to the rest of Europe. That will depress birth rates in other areas. So Europe's existing gene pool will disappear.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 27, 2006 9:07 AM
Hey Naseem, you better not annoy the Germans, if you do it enough Nazism will rise again in Germany and wipe out every muslim over there.
Expecting the Germans to learn turkish in their own country is kind insolent, don't you think?
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:10 AM
Kind of insolent* Damn grammar errors.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:10 AM
You'd think with all the muslim rage we see in the news, these people would be dropping like flies from strokes.
Posted by: freewoman at November 27, 2006 9:11 AM
americaningermany, not suprising at all. Europe has lost its balls. We're nothing like we used to be when the Crusades were raging.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:13 AM
"Naseem" said:
"One of the biggest problems the turks complain about is that not enough Germans are taking the the time or care to learn Turkish for integration purposes. This has led to the severe problems of socio-economic integration with which Turkish immigrants and their descendants are faced are well known."
The Turks in Turkey don't appear to have a problem
with English. They would do well to apply that knowledge of English to reading the KJV Bible to learn the terrible fate that awaits Muslims and others who reject salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ - undeserved and unmerited, but freely available to all who seek it.
at November 27, 2006 9:14 AM
Hey Naseem, you better not annoy the Germans, if you do it enough Nazism will rise again in Germany and wipe out every muslim over there.
Expecting the Germans to learn turkish in their own country is kind insolent, don't you think?
When in Rome, do as the Romans do
...despite the many honor killings executed by Turks in Europe, especially in Germany, Nassem is an insult.
Oh yes, we understand the meaning of turkishness very well.
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 9:15 AM
lol.
well...ekshually, jesus is the spanner in the works for jews too.
without the godmademan concept, u could roll up all three of the abrahamaic religions into one.
at November 27, 2006 9:15 AM
Nasseem (is that pronounced like nausea?)
Why should the GERMANS learn Turkish in GERMANY?
I lived there for five years in the Eighties and don't get why the Host country should change.
You really are batty.
My husband, A GERMAN living in America speaks our language (American English) and so does his Mother.
at November 27, 2006 9:18 AM
AIG: You may read the german anti-islam-sites www.politicallyincorrect.com and http://myblog.de/kewil.
Lots of stuff on Turkey and the pope.
at November 27, 2006 9:25 AM
Final comment re what the photos indicate:
There is no question that beliefs-theory are necessary in order to have a model to explain phenomena, including the Universe. However, in science, beliefs are put to the test and are not considered fact until empirical evidence demonstrates the belief-theory is fact. This was true of Einstein's theory of Relativity. (Later tests, with the proper equipment, proved his theories correct.)
Ironically, beliefs appear to be rooted in the faculty of reason. (I don't see cats needing beliefs, e.g.)However, it is universally recognized in science that it is dangerous to accept belief-theory as fact. In psychiatry it is considered to be delusion and mental illness to treat beliefs as absolute truth-fact. The inability to separate belief from fact is considered to be mental illness.
I think what we are looking at in these photos is psychotic behavior. Someday what I'm saying here will be considered obvious.
(Jihadwatch has caused me to think hard about the nature of beliefs and belief-systems. Treating beliefs as facts produces dangerous people such as the Nut-In-Iran or Hitler. What science says re treating belief (theory) as fact with material reality is also true re "religion" and "ideology".)
Posted by: Frank at November 27, 2006 9:30 AM
Frank, Science is fine. It is reasonable thinking. But don't expect to prove the existence of God with science. That's impossible.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:35 AM
Hey just a quick check: who's Catholic here? And who's Orthodox Christian? I'm just curious regarding the topic.
Me, I'm Chaldean Catholic.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:38 AM
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty.He asks one of his new students to stand and.....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
(Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student : No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student :Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student : No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelled your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have
anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as
darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.... But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor.
Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize
where the argument is going.)
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
Professor's
brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's
brain, felt it, touched or smelled it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face
unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student : That is it, sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
That young man was ALBERT EINSTEIN..... ???
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 9:41 AM
Arnie, that was great! I've always said that the theory of Evolution lacks evidence because no one has seen the world evolve like that. Even before I read the science/God stuff you just pasted.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:48 AM
Posted by: EliasAlucard
Frankly, this is why I read JihadWatch because I'm tired of Swedish news media not reporting anything critical about Islam due to political correctness.
As a former Moderator at FOMI, "Forum Mot Islamisering" (=Forum Against Islamization)I can agree with you.
This forum was pretty active until a few months ago,when it become more interested in being clean and not offending any-body.
Posted by: shiva
at November 27, 2006 9:49 AM
WOW, Thanks Arnie!
I wish we had someone like A.E. to argue with our govenment in the US today about this "Religion of Peace" crap.
I can see it now. Have you ever seen this cult do anything "peaceful"?
Apparently the only peace that exists in Islam is when everyone is too frightened to speak.
at November 27, 2006 9:51 AM
"Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise..."
What baffles me is why the Church never formally identified and denounced Prophet Mohammed (SAW 3) as the false Christ, the anti-Christ -- or at the very least Islam as a Judaeo-Christian heresy.
It would seem that surely from the 7th or 8th centuries, all the sufficient data was in to do so. Yet the Church as far as I know has never done so, not then, not in the intervening 13 centuries, not now. Strange.
at November 27, 2006 9:52 AM
shiva, why? That sounds like someone struck your FOMI with a dose of political correctness.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 9:54 AM
I am quoting some facts in order to show you the way the turks think, which is Panturkism.
In Turkey there are some million Greek Pontian muslims. These people know their greek origin, but are not free to learn in schools any other language other than turkish. The Turks claim to be one nation and not a multinational state, that's why they have laws for "insulting turkism" and so on, which is definitly untrue. There are also the Turko-Cretans who are muslims with greek origin (actually Cretans). If it wasn't their religion and their army, they wouldn't make a single Turkish state. There would be some nation-based muslim states, and I am sure Pontians would return to their original religion!
Posted by: AllahIsDead at November 27, 2006 9:55 AM
Naseem:
Your arrogance and ignorance are showing in equal measure!
'Germans have been politely asking for Turks to learn German. When will we see this trend?'
Posted by: Sencit at November 27, 2006 9:57 AM
No it wasn't Einstein, it was Abdul Kalam, the present president of India, after a fast search on Google...
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 10:02 AM
americaningermany, EliasAlucard,
I am not all that suprised at all that the news reports in both Germany and Sweden would not show this because they are scared of any possible threats.
I do hope that in the USA there is much more news honesty in the reporting.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 27, 2006 08:55 AM
bigcatgirl.......honesty in the US news media, how funny........
at November 27, 2006 10:04 AM
Re: An atheist professor of philosophy..
Arnie-
Interesting. Atheism too is a belief-system and not a proved fact. Atheism is cold bagels to me: It is easier to prove there is something than nothing when it comes to the complex laws of the Universe. Personally, I believe in God for several reasons and think He is found in Being. I'll leave it at that. However, I don't insist others believe as I believe.
I find the dogmas of religion (which insist that they be treated as fact) to leave me very cautious re organized religion. I see too many Nuts-In-Iran types in Islam. Islam is cold bagels when it comes to freedom: which is the unlimited right to reason and to express thoughts and opinion-beliefs based on reason. In the discovery of what is good, I think God wants us to use our heads.
(BTW, I don't know much about Einstein's personal beliefs in God. However, Mike Savage has mentioned on his program that he has read everything Einstein said on the matter and that Einstein believed in the existence of a Supreme Being. I'm not surprised at that. However, to the Nut-In-Iran Einstein was an ape or pig Kafir, as per his dogmas.)
Posted by: Frank at November 27, 2006 10:06 AM
The picture with the sign reading "We as Muslims...accepted Jesus as our prophet" looks like it was tampered with. The sign looks fake to me.
at November 27, 2006 10:08 AM
Naseem is spelling especially well today...
Allah is NOT GOD.
Allah says he has no sons, but YHVH says he has one, and that he is proud of him. This is either two different gods or the one GOD is confused.
Allah, Al-lah, 'The god' is two words indicating duality. The word 'God', is a singular title indicating 'unity'. The word 'God', is not a name it is a title. Allah is a name. Only things have names.
Allah is a 'thing', and a duality.
When Moses asked God his name, God evaded the name issue and said 'I AM THAT I AM', which is also not a name, it means 'Existence is Existence'. Pure existence, 'UNITY'. This is because the GOD of the universe, has no name. If it did, it would be a duality like Allah, a 'thing', who has fallen from purity to duality. Matter is the result of duality. All evil happens in matter. Allah 'The Fallen', is the Lord of Matter, or evil.
He is the Lord of Dark Desires, and dark deeds, chaos and confusion.
He is the dark that flee's before the light. And comprehends it not. Allah rules the Qlipoth Hotel.
A place where the sun never shines. The abyss, where shells and husks of dead things abound. Where evil demons, Allahs chief henchmen and workers, such as Beezebub, Belfagore, Lucifuge, and others reside.
Allah then is consistant with Satan/Molech. But not 'God'.
While there may be some merit to 'One God', it is NOT Allah...
at November 27, 2006 10:10 AM
Arnie. Sorry. Doubtful. Not the Einstein I know. What he thought about evolution you seem to have misrepresented. Or perhaps you could give a reference.
zonie kafir,
I don't know about the author of this scetch, but learned that Einstein was bouncing back and forth.
In fact he never came up with a proof by himself. He made up some thesis and had others proof it (- or not) for him.
Nevertheless it's something to think about and have some fun.
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 10:10 AM
Elias, I hope you're joking. Anyone named Abdul Kalam wouldn't have a brain himself, would he?
Posted by: americaningermany
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I was thinking the same. He's the president of India, a muslim, and get this: A SCIENTIST! I wonder what "reality" this is I just woke up to?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Kalam
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 10:13 AM
Arnie:
Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
------------------------------------------------
There is a awkward jump from the silly professor and his beliefs to those of what science is and what it does -- you make a ridiculous comparison.
I doubt A.E. ever had such an exchange -- nor, even so, is he the infallible intellect you'd imply; he did some great thinking, and I do admire him but his concepts particularly with god have been shown to be flawed -- randomnness is a reality not only in Evolution but in physics too.
Your little imaginary exchange is out of place anyway... and annoying.
If you cannot fight Islam with your 'faith' then shut the #### up.
at November 27, 2006 10:15 AM
Yes Einstein believed there was a God, but not the Judeo-Christian God. He believed God was part of Cosmos or something like that.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 10:17 AM
This sctech is around a long time already, I got it many years ago into my mailbox and as time passes it becomes more and more true to me.
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 10:18 AM
Hola Naseem,
if you are from Turkey, shouldn't you be saying "Selamun Eleyküm" instead?
"The form "Salāmun `Alaykum" is especially used in Turkey, where it is spelt "Selamun Eleyküm"."
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assalamu_alaikum
Shalom, dog!
Posted by: Black Dog at November 27, 2006 10:19 AM
The non-Muslim world is waking up to what they are up against. As a Christian and as a Catholic, these folks in the pictures do not worship the same God as I. They worship their "real God", which is Satan, the head Devil of the all the demons.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
Bigcatgirl:
They do not worship the same God as you do; all that stuff you heard about in Daniel and Revelations is coming true it seems:
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1231
The pope is fine ... for now at least.
at November 27, 2006 10:21 AM
Don't these people have jobs?
Oh yeah, I forgot. Marching and protesting IS their job. They are professional marchers ready to protest the slightest thing.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 27, 2006 10:28 AM
If you cannot fight Islam with your 'faith' then shut the #### up
Court1,
to explain it with faith and according to the scriptures.
Jeremiah 8:9
The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
at November 27, 2006 10:30 AM
EliasAlucard said:
americaningermany, not suprising at all. Europe has lost its balls. We're nothing like we used to be when the Crusades were raging.
Elias, when I was living in Holland during the 70's, a typical preoccupation amongst Dutch males was arguing over who had the nicest baby carriage !!
Reduced to that. Reduced to feminization by the Socialist government. Ye Gods!!
Posted by: Marie at November 27, 2006 10:41 AM
Naseem posted:
"I looked at the pictures, especially of the womens....proud to be part of Islam...and not a hair out of place or in sight....
...someday all womens will dress like this...Allah be praised!"
Well, some people will do anything to get let out of the house once in awhile..
Posted by: freedomschool at November 27, 2006 10:49 AM
Freedomschool, AIG...Assalaamau Laikum girls,
I wouldn't laugh so much if I were you....you are effectively looking at the photos of your grandaughters in Germany/Europe..... enjoy.
Posted by: Naseem at November 27, 2006 11:08 AM
freedomschool-
She is a piece of work. When it comes to logical thinking with Naseem it's: Why bother?
Posted by: Frank at November 27, 2006 11:09 AM
Would-be assassin of John Paul II calls current pope "Nazi remnant"
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 27, 2006 11:20 AM
It is interesting how many Muslims engage in wishful thinking, as if that will make it so. Yesterday after church I met some really neat young people, all going to college or taking a year off and working to pay for college. They ranged in age from 15 to around 24. Everyone of them knew about the problem with Islam and everyone of them is committed to having lots of kids and bring them up Catholic, not Muslim. In talking to these young people I saw what the true future is, Christian warriors being raised up to fight an ideology that won't be tolerated.
It is also interesting that the women in the pictures with the signs above are the same women who will go home tonight to be abused by their masters, but they'll defend to the death their right of those guys to abuse them.
Who are the real dumb dhimmis here?
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 27, 2006 11:25 AM
ummahnewslinks, did you know that muslims were nazi sympathisers in WW2?
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 11:28 AM
EliasAlucard
Yes, I did know that. Apparently, the "would-be assassin" does not.
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 27, 2006 11:34 AM
If you cannot fight Islam with your 'faith' then shut the #### up
Court1,
to explain it with faith and according to the scriptures.
Jeremiah 8:9
The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
------------------------------------------------
F### your scriptures -- what does your preachy prattle have to do with Jihad Watch or dealing with Islam; or more imnportantly the pope's confrontation with the evils of Islam in Turkey?
I would fully expect some devout Muslim to pull the same BS argument here.
It serves no purpose and therefore, you Arnie, are in the wrong place -- blow this out your nose in some related, 'I'm fanatical but really stupid too, forum'.
at November 27, 2006 11:35 AM
ummahnewslinks, did you know that muslims were nazi sympathisers in WW2?
... and now denying the holocaust?
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 11:36 AM
Would-be assassin of John Paul II calls current pope "Nazi remnant"
Ummah News Links
Posted by: ummahnewslinks
"The Vatican is a centre of lies... I invite the Vatican to accept the divine truth in the perfect Bible that I have written," Agca, who has long claimed to be a second messiah, wrote.
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Sure,second messiah! OR the one and only one Antichrist?????
:-S
at November 27, 2006 11:37 AM
Court1,
get a life ... and don't be insulting.
I know that truth hurts, but ...
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 11:42 AM
Do some of the signs seem fake to you? Especially the fourth picture? Are they being translated? Because...the English text seems odd when the rest of the signs are in Turkish or Arabic. I'm not accussing Robert or anyone of lying or falsifying....I'm just asking if they were translated and digitally put on in English text instead of Turkish or Arabic?
Regardless, the message they are sending is clear...and quacky.
Posted by: mikeymatrix at November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Agca not only claims that he is a 2nd Messiah but he also wants money to speak to the press. Yeah, what a messiah
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/12/turkey.pope.gunman/
Also he murdered a newspaper editor in 1979 and there was a trial connecting him with the Bulgarian secret services (of the communistic era).
Posted by: AllahIsDead at November 27, 2006 11:47 AM
Wanna lose your lunch ? Take a look at some of the comments on the Anderson Copper blog at CNN.com
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/11/popes-turkey-trip-spotlights-religious.html
I doubt they'll print my comment, wherein I suggested the Pope should speak out against the treatment of Christians by muslims (referencing the beheaded schoolgirls) and against muslim extremism everywhere.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at November 27, 2006 11:49 AM
"We believe in Jesus. Do you believe in mohammed?"
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No, of course we Christians don't believe in mohammed. And muslims don't believe in Jesus. Isa is not Jesus Christ. Period.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 12:00 PM
EllasAlucard, it does not really matter we are all of the same religion, the religion of saving the world from Islam and sharia.
Me, I am a Catholic. and I support Christians in the Arab world, but I equally support Buddhists in Thailand and Atheists in Europe.
We are all in this together ,unity and truth will save us and grant us victory.
As a Grandfather with 18 grandchildren and waiting for more, I know that demographics is destiny.
Posted by: El Cid at November 27, 2006 12:10 PM
Sorry, bad link, I'll try again. And it's the Anderson Cooper blog.
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at November 27, 2006 12:12 PM
Wow, are we supposed to be enlightened by this? It's the same old crap over and over again on JW. After all, whatever you think of these Muslims, at least they aren't killing over it.
Posted by: Dumbo at November 27, 2006 12:12 PM
El Cid I'm with you on that. I've got nothing against Jews, Buddhists or Atheists. They're free to believe whatever they want. I was just curious though :)
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 12:13 PM
Wow, are we supposed to be enlightened by this? It's the same old crap over and over again on JW. After all, whatever you think of these Muslims, at least they aren't killing over it.
Posted by Dumbo.
Dumbo:
Wait for it. There will be killings before the Pope's visit is over (I hope I'm wrong).
And if you don't like this "same old crap", don't bother reading it.
at November 27, 2006 12:15 PM
Dumbo needs a reality check.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 12:19 PM
mikeymatrix,
Every one of the pictures which Mr. Spencer has provided is from Yahoo News. Just click on any of them, above, to see a picture with its news caption.
If you doubt their veracity, it would be advisable to question Yahoo.
As for the English language text in the signs: It is likely that the photographers and editors selected pictures of English language signs to provide to the worldwide non-turkish audience. It is also probably fair, as you and pacwaters and many others, to realize that the intended audience of the sign-writers is non-turkish. A basic strategy of the ongoing worldwide jihad is to strike fear into the hearts of the kaffir. This is one attempt to do that.
Posted by: del at November 27, 2006 12:19 PM
americaningermany, all religions would be interesting now that you mention it. In fact, Jihad Watch should have a religious poll or something :)
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 12:20 PM
I have seen the news in my country. They've shown the "demonstrations". The pictures are true. Some of the pictures seem to have been saved in JPEG format with a lower quality, and others seem to have been with a better quality. No trick
Posted by: AllahIsDead at November 27, 2006 12:26 PM
The whole demonstration is orchestrated.
I do believe that the pictures are genuine but chosen to create fear.
Kind of Reuters if you ask me.
... and Allah's still not listening and come to their rescue ... fear returned ...
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 12:29 PM
And one more time....
From http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k106/aaronscc/LGF/lgf26Nov2006.jpg
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 27, 2006 12:32 PM
Assalamau Laikum El-Cid,
You say "EllasAlucard, it does not really matter we are all of the same religion, the religion of saving the world from Islam and sharia".
I bring you good tidings of Allah's flat earth policy, which states that muslims will be in the NEWS (North, East, West ans South).
You should not be trying to shield the world, Islam and Sharia is Allah's SAW ordained way to SAVE the world.
I am rejoycing at the miracle of (most of) the Koran ...you too can be save....convert NOW to (Ahmadi) Islam.
Posted by: Naseem at November 27, 2006 12:33 PM
americaningermany
I'm a Christian but also draw from the teachings of Lord Buddha.
Why? The scripture says not everything what should have been written is written here, test everything and keep that what is good and which is not against the scripture ...
One of my favorite proverbs which is Buddhist/Hindu related says
"Time and tide wait for no man"
Posted by: Arnie at November 27, 2006 12:34 PM
"You should not be trying to shield the world, Islam and Sharia is Allah's SAW ordained way to SAVE the world.
I am rejoycing at the miracle of (most of) the Koran ...you too can be save....convert NOW to (Ahmadi) Islam."
Posted by : Naseem
Naseem you are a lemming !
Posted by: Supermaxx at November 27, 2006 12:38 PM
"you too can be save....convert NOW to Islam."
Posted by: Naseem
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No thanks. I'd rather have my head decapitated than convert to islam (yes, I'm serious). There's no way in Hell I'm converting to islam.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 12:39 PM
Arnie said:
... and Allah's still not listening and come to their rescue ... fear returned ...
Or a ________ (replace baseline with fanatic/lunatic/provoker) shoots the Pope and a wind of arrogance will spread to Islam. All the muslims would then think that this was the punishment of Allah....
The "god" of the muslims is a weird one! He proclaims his existence violently through the actions of some mad men.
Posted by: AllahIsDead at November 27, 2006 12:40 PM
Assalamau Laikum AIG
I like some of these sayings from Islam:
True Knowledge can only be acquired through humility. The path towards this knowledge is like a person’s wanting to drink from a stream: he has to lower himself to be able to drink. Water seeks the lowest level, thus we have to imitate water.
God elevates he who lowers himself.
We all came out of the same light. There is no distinction, there is only union. We make the distinction between one another, but in reality we are united in One. We cannot attain this view unless we pass through every step of the path.
There you go AIG...we belong to the same one god...Allah ...you just need to believe.
Do not seek the Truth; first try to purify yourself. You can only do this by reading the Koran over & over!
Posted by: Naseem at November 27, 2006 12:46 PM
Posted by: EliasAlucard
shiva, why? That sounds like someone struck your FOMI with a dose of political correctness.
http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4706&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
And the person who cannot accept rhat Hirshi and Rushdie happens to be an Administrator
By the way,I,m banned because of my criticizm of the softball line "Forum Mot Islamisering" has taken,and for be hardcore against Islam
Posted by: shiva
at November 27, 2006 12:47 PM
Seems that there is censorship here at JW.
Apparently my biblical references to current world events and belief that the pope would be fine on this vist; were deemed "offensive" by JW, and deleted.
At least, give me credit for not wanting to stir up trouble like some posters who have not been deleted.
Nassem:
why do fish go to school?
so they can all get caught in one big net!
Think about it -- is there really safety in numerical superiority?
Ask any catch-of-the-day at the local fish market.
Posted by: witness at November 27, 2006 12:53 PM
Naseem
ive read the koran and personally i think its pretty despicable, it sounds like it was written by the devil himself some parts i found hard to read, not because i have trouble reading but because i found it hard to stomach reading this isnt on the same level as any other holy book ive read its so looowwwww
Posted by: free_fred at November 27, 2006 12:59 PM
Nasseem, do you know what happened to the Germans of what is now western Poland? Well, you see that was eastern Germany, and the Germans lived there for generations, and then the Nazis started WWII. Now, the other Europeans bend over backwards to avoid the war, appeasing all they could, which the Nazis interepreted as a sign that they would surely win the war. So the war started, and the casualties were much higher then if the other Europeans confronted the Nazis earlier, but the other Europeans and their allies (OK, Britain, Russia, and US) won. And after the millions killed in the war, the victors were pretty ticked off at the Germans. So much so that eastern Germany was given to Poland and the Germans living there ethnically cleansed out, as well as ethnically cleansing Czech citizens of German ethnicity, some of whom acted as Hitler's 5th column in that country, out of Czechoslovakia. So, if muslims want to see muslims ethnically cleansed out of Europe, and western Turkey and Constantinople ethnically cleansed of muslims and returned to the Greeks, the best way to accomplish that is to continue to escalate this war against the seemingly weak and irresolute west. Because when it came down to it, Hitler did not gave greater military power then the US, the Soviets, and Britain. Nor do the muslims have greater military power then EU, Russia, US, India, and China. By the way, in a little publicized moved a few years ago, India, Russia, and China signed an alliance against muslim expansion.
Posted by: godfreyofbouillon at November 27, 2006 1:02 PM
"By the way, in a little publicized moved a few years ago, India, Russia, and China signed an alliance against muslim expansion."
Posted by: godfreyofbouillon
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Got any sources?
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 1:07 PM
I'm amused by the placard that reads CROSS CIVILIZATION.
Now I want a T-shirt that reads CROSS CIVILIZATION. AND GETTING CROSSER BY THE DAY.
WSW
Posted by: Wild Slutty Womens at November 27, 2006 1:20 PM
Excuse me folks, but where do I endorse these Muslim fanatics? My point is that protests are better than killing, if they confined their anger to loud but non-violent demonstrations, wouldn't that be better? Are we supposed to live in dread over this one?
Posted by: Dumbo at November 27, 2006 1:30 PM
@DUMBO
Muslims hear with their eyes and think with their feelings.
So yeah, the fact that these Muslims here are only raging and not at this moment chopping heads off, is a positive thing.
at November 27, 2006 1:33 PM
Dumbo, stop being naive. Do you actually think that if the Pope was near that crowd, that they would let him live? They'd slaughter him in front of everybody for the entire world to see.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 1:33 PM
Re: An atheist professor of philosophy..
Faith , belief in the supernatural is nonsense.
God(s) , angels , demons , ghosts , vampires and werewolves.....UTTER BUMPH.
Some of the human race have evolved and wait for the rest to catch up.
at November 27, 2006 1:43 PM
Hey just a quick check: who's Catholic here? And who's Orthodox Christian? I'm just curious regarding the topic.
Me, I'm Chaldean Catholic.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 09:38 AM
Orthodox Christian thank God.
Posted by: GreekFrenchInfidel at November 27, 2006 1:45 PM
This is why my vote is against letting Turkey into the EU, since it is only a Jihadi tool to force more Islamofascist Immigration.
Turkey transfers just a third of it's population into Greece (which would be possible under EU Laws) and Greece is finished (Turkey has 6 times the population).
We must defend Europe, say to to Turkish EU Membership.
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at November 27, 2006 1:49 PM
GreekFrenchInfidel, my mother is Orthodox Christian. I don't understand why the church ever split. Christianity should reunite.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 1:51 PM
The Crusades of course were a defence against constant mulsim encrouchment and attack. Finally when the muslims took over Asia Minor (there were no muslims of any kind in Turkey before 1000-1100 AD) the subjected the christians and jews there to, you guessed it, Shiara law and the "your not a muslim so pay for it tax" (jizya) . Finally around 1915 they wanted to force mass numbers of remaining Chrisitians in Asia Minor (now called Turkey) so they rouned up MILLIONS of these people. We know them as ARMENIANS. Also they rounded up thousands upon thousands of Greeks, and the 100,0000+ Jewish population that existed there. Over 2 million Armenians were killed and hundreds of thousands of other Christians.
Under Shiara law you MAY kill Christians and Jews if they are "not acting properly" after "court judgements" have been settled against them.
There are surviovors to THIS day, very old but who have not forgotten what happened. Many of these people were interviewed over 20 years ago.
Their testimonies survive...
Here are only a few of them in video testimony telling you what the muslims put them through:
Armenian Genocide Survivor Sam Kadorian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfC0thL5lUc
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Hagop Assadourian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3JYUYnsqE&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Richard Parseghian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ijIaMWwtk&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor --Alice Muggerditchian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiaiqowsQg&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide Survivor Vartan Hartunian 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYiNbRZBDk&mode=related&search=
MORE SURVIVORS (just key in Armenian Genocide Survivor on youtube.com) or press link below for the indexed results of that search:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Armenian+Genocide+Survivor&search=Search
Please note there is also a PROPAGANDA docutmentary called 'truth about Armenia" put on youtude by a Turkish govt official. They have organized countless propaganda programs to promote
that Armenia Genocide didnt happen. Of course its really hard for the world to forget the piled up bodies (just like in the Nazi holocaust). Many WESTERN journalists (like Americans and some Brits) took pictures of what happened and national geographic did a story with picutures at that time (I personally have copies of it they are also available at bigger university libraries around the US and free world). This is why the US and every EU country does not deny the genocide
but our muslim 'friends' deny it and get enraged when a "crusader" like the Pope visits them. If they accept the Pope today what hidden truths would they have to accept next time?
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********WE WANT YOUR LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS FOR ISLAM AS YOU LEAVE TURKEY LEAVE THEM BEHIND OR WE WILL TAKE THEM*********************
PS
(when they forced on mass migration out --the turks and kurds would raid the caravan to take little boys and girls in keeping with Muhammeds rules of slave accquisition during 'war'. Look at what this survivor has to say):
Armenian Genocide Survivor - Kevork Balian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnHOSs0XNA
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Turkeys denial in the news (2006 article!)
QUOTE FROM NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE (link to whole article below):
"Turkey, Armenia and Denial
Published: May 16, 2006
Turkey's self-destructive obsession with denying the Armenian genocide seems to have no limits. The Turks pulled out of a NATO exercise this week because the Canadian prime minister used the term "genocide" in reference to the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey during and after World War I. Before that, the Turkish ambassador to France was temporarily recalled to protest a French bill that would make it illegal to deny that the Armenian genocide occurred. And before that, a leading Turkish novelist, Orhan Pamuk, was charged with "insulting Turkish identity" for referring to the genocide (the charges were dropped after an international outcry).
Turkey's stance is hard to fathom. Each time the Turks lash out, new questions arise about Turkey's claim to a place in the European Union, and the Armenian diaspora becomes even more adamant in demanding a public reckoning over what happened"
quote from "THE NEW YORK TIMES" full article may 16 2006:
at November 27, 2006 1:52 PM
The Allies Shall Win you forgot the slaughter of the Greeks, Jews and Armenians in Constantinople following the War, and the burning of Smyrna when Greece tried to defend it's people.
It is ashame that the PC Dhimmi establishment refuses to acknowledge the clear Islamic Genocidalism both past and present examples. How many Christians and Jews must die before the PC Dhimmis remember that they work for the people not for Islam?
Posted by: NicephorusPhocas at November 27, 2006 2:08 PM
The Assyrians were slaughtered by the turks too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek_Genocide
at November 27, 2006 2:13 PM
NICEPHORUSPHOCAS QUOTE:
"The Allies Shall Win you forgot the slaughter of the Greeks, Jews and Armenians in Constantinople following the War, and the burning of Smyrna when Greece tried to defend it's people."
yes you are right! Sheesh, if I was to recount all the killings of these muslim dogs I reckon not all the internet threads in the whole world would not have enough megabytes of memory to hold it in!
But you are right. Ill do some posts on that too! (plust put it in the other turkish threads--im on it)
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 27, 2006 2:14 PM
Just like the National Socialist Movement of the 1930's, you see pre-made signs that the youth that hold them up don't even understand.
Ask yourself, while the world watches this and has no comment, what would the islamics be doing if these protests were occuring against islam? How many would be dead.
And this country Turkey is the country that wants to be in the European Union? Even Pres Bush said the Eruopeans should let them in. Obviously, another PC mistake on his part. I am tired of his PC mistakes, and I take it from November 7th the rest of America is too.
Posted by: alaskan1000 at November 27, 2006 2:17 PM
"F### your scriptures -- what does your preachy prattle have to do with Jihad Watch or dealing with Islam; or more imnportantly the pope's confrontation with the evils of Islam in Turkey?
I would fully expect some devout Muslim to pull the same BS argument here.
It serves no purpose and therefore, you Arnie, are in the wrong place -- blow this out your nose in some related, 'I'm fanatical but really stupid too, forum'.
Posted by: Court1"
Court1 - I would suggest that your hostility is way out line and your crude and rude approach is "in the wrong place".
I would argue that it is appropriate to discuss the faith that is being attacked by the lies featured on those Muslim placards.
However, it is up to the administrators of this website, not me or you, to make that decision.
Posted by: Josephine at November 27, 2006 2:30 PM
Naseem!!!!!
Your back! You still haven’t answered my question about the goats – Remember?
Ayatollah Khomeini wrote a guide on the correct Islamic procedure for sexual intercourse with goat's. Essentially if a good Muslim reached a climax he should kill the goat and was allowed to the use the meat provided he did not eat it himself or sell it to anyone in his own village. We do not have many goats in Europe and I am curious to know if a sheep or any other small animal is acceptable as a substitute. Also do your men have any difficulty disposing of this meat in the circumstances?
Posted by: Fred at November 27, 2006 2:33 PM
Its that 'tiny minority' of extremists again.
Nothing to see here, now move along.
/sarc
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at November 27, 2006 2:33 PM
Nsaseem, I'll be damned if I convert to a misogynistic, brutal, barbaric, intolerant, primitive headchopping death cult like Islam. Your ilk will NEVER close down our pubs, nightclubs, museums, art galleries, theme parks or anywhere whewre we can enjoy ourselves.
So stop wasting your time, you're only showing everybody what a small-minded,intolerable and dysfunctional cretin you are - made so by the death cult you follow.
Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at November 27, 2006 2:38 PM
Plus there was another genocide by the Muslim Turks against the Greek Christians in the early 20th century which is sometimes lumped in with the Armenian genocide but which in many respects is a sepearate muslim attack on another group of famous Christian cities and getting rid of the Christians there:
http://www.greece.org/genocide/
quote from above link:
In September 1922, Mustapha Kemal, the revolutionary ruler of Turkey , led his troops into Smyrna (now Izmir ), which at that time was a predominantly Christian city. While a flotilla of twenty-seven Allied warships - including three American destroyers - looked on, the Turks indulged in an orgy of pillage, rape and slaughter; which the Western powers condoned - eager to protect their oil and trade interests in Turkey - through their silence and by their refusal to intervene. Turkish forces then set fire to the legendary city and totally destroyed it. A massive cover-up followed, by tacit agreement of the Western Allies, who had defeated Turkey and Germany during World War I. By 1923, Smyrna 's demise was all but expunged from historical memory.
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PLUS THE MILLIONS KILLED Armenians, Greeks, Jews who would were killed after Constantinople was taken over. (Under shiria law you can kill the people of the book if they resisted you or you want to make an example of them after a war (according to Islamic court rulings of course!)
BUT THERE WAS A SECOND MASSACRE IN ISTANBUL(Constantinople) in 1896 also
Videos of massacre in Pontian area in Asia minor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xGhlJLL-ys
Turkish muslims kill christians in ancient christian city smyrna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKXJDB0kubo
(warning GRAPHIC images of death of innocent christians must sign in youtube to view):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR45W_2tfOg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJrcDLgluw4
Also killings and mass pogrom against Greeks in Istanbul IN THE 1950s ! (why do you think there are only like a 1000 christians there now? Its been a long history of Muslims persecuting them, kicking them out and killing them):
http://wiki.phantis.com/index.php/Istanbul_Pogrom
texts
http://www.helleniccomserve.com/stavridisarmenianslaughter.html
http://armenianhouse.org/bliss/turkey/21-constantinople.html
http://www.helleniccomserve.com/smyrnaopener.html
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 27, 2006 2:38 PM
The Assyrians were slaughtered by the turks too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic_Greek_Genocide
Posted by: EliasAlucard
YES !!! So many people --its hard to keep up with all the killing the muslim Turks have committed thanks for that post Im goin go to add it to the others if you dont mind!
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 27, 2006 2:40 PM
ISLAMFORPIGKEEPERS had an excellent post in the other thread I want to reproduce it here . Its right on!
QUOTE:
the Turks protesting the Pope's visit and mentioning the Crusaders only one problem the Crusades where preached and called because of Muslims raids on PhilGramm caravans to the holy land and the subsidence enslavement of innocent people in the name of Islam. Islamic pirates actually raided to the shores of England but as a result of the Crusades Muslims were beaten back and forced to behave so nowadays when the Crusades are mentioned by Muslims they are as a source of terror for them maybe we need to revisit terrorist and you are making them remember that there cult cannot forced as well on innocent people and had the Pope call another crusade was 1.2 billion Catholics in the world that a lot of people stand up to Islam can do to Islam but Islam is done to innocent people in the past 1400 years. But judging by what has been on TV the past few months it looks like the West is finally waking up when both locks and CNN and programming critical to Islam and asking Islamic scholars hard questions they can answer maybe not all hope was lost if the Democrats will quit butt kissing in Saudi Arabia and in other Islamic groups butts maybe there is still hope but if bin Laden launches his American Hiroshima attack like Admiral Yamato said I fear we awaken to sleeping giant and filled him with a resolve. bin Laden probably is not herd that comment letalone the history of the second war if he had even realize that Americans will they may squabbled with each other as a nation when attacked on their soil as they were in 9/11 will tend to pull together and we see in the nuclear attack by terrorists and killed millions I would not want to be a Muslim in this country people when they're angry tend to take the law in their own hands and these inman'sthat preach hate for America in their mosques may well end up hanging from a their mosques roofs though it is long past time that the average person in the street realizes that the problem in the Middle East is not the Jews but is the Palestinians and their stubborn believe that once Muslims have overrun the land and occupied it is then for ever Muslim land the problem is the Palestinian people are rather the so-called Palestinian people did not exist before 1949 and our invention of the Arab League that vested interest in keeping the people who fled Israel in terror since the state of Israel was created the surrounding Arab states and kept the people who fled Israel as refugees and not allowing them to become citizens of the nations where they found themselves at one point before Israel was created the suggested partition of the land by the British would have created two states was the West Bank becoming a homeland for the refugees from the state of Israel. These people were poorly educated and believe their overlords when they said the Jews would kill them so in truth about the a problem came about because of the Arab nations around Israel wanting a cause to cause problems for the state just as the thousands of Turks are denouncing the Pope for what he said the problem is he did not lie he told truth about what was done in the Byzantine Empire by Muslims when they overran it one of the greatest cathedrals in Christendom was converted into a mosque to this day secular state of Turkey will not return it to Christian roots it seemed like Muslims cannot stand the truth be told about the way they act on the overrun land just look at India all the temples and palaces like the taj mahal that was turned into a burial site by a Muslim conquerorthe jihad in India was only stopped when the British took over India the biggest mistake the EU could make is letting Turkey into the European Union before it corrects its human rights problems and truly this all religions worship freely and acknowledges the genocide against Cyprus and the Armenians and returns real land it over ran in in Cyprus to its owners and acknowledges that the pope was right.to see what Muslims are like all we have to is look at the violence over the cartoon issue when it's not Muhammad was being insulted and when the factors that determines a cult is a continued adoration of his leader and unwillingness to admit he might've been wrong in my opinion bomber was nothing more than a thief a crook and a pedophilewho found the cult of Islam as a means to get rich quick insanity God that he dreamed up this delusion was in fact a pagan moon God that was worshiped in Mecca along with many other idols.
Posted by: islamakapigeaters [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 27, 2006 04:19 AM
at November 27, 2006 2:46 PM
"The True Religion in the Sight of Allah is Islam" says one of the plackards being wielded by a shouting muslim woman.....muslims are always shouting it seems...... OF COURSE Islam is the only true religion in the sight of Allah!
It's Allah's baby brought into the world through the diabolical prophet Muhammad who obviously sold his soul to the devil!
Posted by: rejjie
at November 27, 2006 2:50 PM
constantinople belongs to Greeks and agia sophia will be restored where ever turkey likes it or not it.
Stupid turks go back to mongolia where you first came from
Posted by: Greek Gurl at November 27, 2006 2:52 PM
Nassem,
Muslims everywhere will get what is coming to them.
at November 27, 2006 3:02 PM
constantinople belongs to Greeks and agia sophia will be restored where ever turkey likes it or not it.
Stupid turks go back to mongolia where you first came from
Posted by: Greek Gurl
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Amen to that Greek Gurl :)
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 3:04 PM
I am a practicing Roman Catholic.. ... I try to attend Mass daily. One of my main prayer intentions is always that Muslims will come to know the truth of Jesus and receive the grace they need to leave the bondage of Islam once and for all.
Posted by: rejjie at November 27, 2006 3:07 PM
Re: Hey just a quick check: who's Catholic here? And who's Orthodox Christian? I'm just curious regarding the topic.
I'm a Roman Catholic.
at November 27, 2006 3:17 PM
Oh, Infidels!
Listen to Nasemen's advice:
"Do not seek the Truth; first try to purify yourself. You can only do this by reading the Koran over & over!"
Translation:
Muslims = Brainswashed Idiots
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 27, 2006 3:23 PM
Naseem is an annoying troll and should be banned.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 27, 2006 3:25 PM
As an artist my eyes must be playing tricks on me.
When I look at the photo of the cartoon and see the Pope looking into the face of Satan I see it as a picture, not a mirror. Complete with a label. 'Islam' written across the top.
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Indeed, it looks like he's confronting 'Islam' not himself as the cartoonist intended. lol
at November 27, 2006 3:39 PM
Illah needs eye surgery if Islam really is the only true religion in his sight.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 27, 2006 3:41 PM
Josephine,
My remarks to Arnie were a bit harsh but nothing compared to the actions those as Arnie or other fanatics would harshly do to me, or my body, were I living a mere 300 years ago in many parts of Europe or America.
People who put 'scripture' before reality, like Muslims with their Koran need to be confronted or, like Muslims, they'll be trying to get laws passed to keep people from pointing out how full of crap they are.
He was preachy, nor on topic or was his stupid AE thing even related to the discussions; or even in the basic realm of interests here, far as I could see.
People can believe whatever they want; but, his 'scripture' wasn't pertinate and I regarded it 'rude and crude'.
This site reiterates that violence in the name of any religion is unacceptable ... Islam being the worst, doesn't mean potential 'jihadist's' shouldn't be confronted from other religions -- and Arnie seems to love scripture from any religion to pad his Christian 'faith' -- I'd bet Mohammed would serve him well in a pinch, EH Arnie?
at November 27, 2006 4:11 PM
is it too late to say 'please ignore Naseem' ?
Posted by: M Al-Content at November 27, 2006 4:33 PM
Court1:
I must side with Josephine as she rightfully (and skillfully) put you in your most deserved place.You, however, seem to know yourself extremely well in you apt self-characterization
of ‘Rude & Crude’. Your spelling could use a bit of ‘polish’ also, by the way. JW certainly would not suffer greatly without your ilk!
at November 27, 2006 4:33 PM
Some observations:
1) The crowd of protestors does not seem to be all that large to me. This agrees with the comments I heard on the news today from a Turkish academic that the turn-out was much less than expected. So a question is, just what was the level of interest in Turkey in the Pope's visit
2) One placard describes "Cross Culture" as "aggressive, slaughterer, exploiter." I assume that this is not some bungled way of describing multi-culturism, a la "cross-dressing" for "transvestism," "cross-training" for "varied physical workouts," etc. but rather is a comment on presumed Christian guilt for something or other not specified. This follows the usual pattern of Moslem commentary with their inability of deconvolving a religion from the political environment where its resides. Anyway, it's and interesting comment to make, given the location of the demonstration: Constantinople, the former capital of the Byzantine Empire, which the hapless emperor, quoted by the Pope, could see being devoured alive by the forces still in place. But leaving aside for the moment the usual Moslem hypocrisy in claiming victimhood, it seems to suggest at least ambivalence if not antipathy about the West in the demonstrators.
3) Moreover, the same Turkish academic described above the fear of Turkish (secular) nationalists that an alliance between Orthodox and Catholic interests might lead to claims being made against Turkish territories. This suggests an alliance between religious and secular interests in Turkey.
So, just as speculation, if credible plans could be made to settle large numbers of Europeans and/or non-Moslems (such as, ummm, Greeks or Armenians) in Turkey following its entry into the EU, wouldn't this alarm both Turkish nationalists and Islamists? Could this lead to Turkey volunteering to withdraw its application for entry into the EU? Or is the general level of interest in Turkey in the Pope's visit low enough to indicate relative indifference to further secularization?
Comments?
Posted by: Chatillon at November 27, 2006 4:36 PM
i just noticed something odd in the pics - they are giving what we would call a 'thumbs up'?
i was once warned that gesture was meant in Turkey as a way of asking if someone is gay ?
however, as their english is clearly so very good, maybe they mean it the same way we do ?
at November 27, 2006 4:43 PM
"The true religion in the sight of Allah is Islam".
Not in the sight of God though.
Posted by: DP111 at November 27, 2006 4:54 PM
True Knowledge can only be acquired through humility. The path towards this knowledge is like a person’s wanting to drink from a stream: he has to lower himself to be able to drink. Water seeks the lowest level, thus we have to imitate water.
Naseem,
So where is your humility? You BELIEVE in the Koran. True knowledge is something you will never know (and neither will most of us). How about Muslims showing a little humility and acknowledging that the world didn't begin with you and it won't end with you?
(Then again it just MIGHT end with you, given your emphasis on killing.)
Posted by: PMK at November 27, 2006 4:55 PM
Americaningermany,
I wasn't referring to your posts but to Arnie's. His cheezy post; likely imaginary, that pitted a teacher against Albert Enstien in a classroom exchange -- Enstien revamped into a sort of supporter of Intelligent Design' and critic of evolution and science.
It's still annoying ... lol
The issue here is Islam; and on this thread how the pope is being recieved by these Dark Age loons -- it shouldn't be lost to people that 'scripture' in the Koran has a lot to do with these Muslim's mentality.
at November 27, 2006 5:03 PM
True Knowledge can only be acquired through humility. The path towards this knowledge is like a person’s wanting to drink from a stream: he has to lower himself to be able to drink. Water seeks the lowest level, thus we have to imitate water.
Naseem,
Why does Islam ask you to sink to the gutter? That's where you'll find the water. Why aren't you reaching for the stars? Why aren't you seeking to find all that is good rather than crawl on the ground? That's not humility. It's debasement of your humanity.
Posted by: PMK at November 27, 2006 5:15 PM
Hey just a quick check: who's Catholic here? And who's Orthodox Christian? I'm just curious regarding the topic.
Me, I'm Chaldean Catholic.
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Wow, Cool. I used to have a friend who was Chaldean Catholic, but I haven't seen her in a while though. I'm a Latin Rite Catholic (Roman Catholic is the more common-term.) Do you speak Aramaic then?
Peace.
Posted by: Monkeywho at November 27, 2006 5:23 PM
Why is it ok for Muslims to insult and offend Christians (referring to Jesus as a prophet of Islam) but if the tables are turned it is blasphemy?
Why are they givin a pass to kill, maim, and burn because we offend their sensibilities when they have been offending sensibilities fof the West, Christians, and Jews for longer than anyone can remember?
They believe they hold the high-ground morally and are intellectually and spiritually superior, that is why. We are wrong for believing different about the Vhrist... or not believing at all. We are wrong when we insult or draw an image of Mohammed. We are just plain wrong because we are not what they are. To boil it down.
I don't believe I am superior to any one person because of my beleifs or lack of belifs. Everyone is created equal and that is that.
Deviation from that creates divisions that lead to tyranny IMO.
If Islam was relegated to the numbers that Scientology or even LDS was, I wou
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