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I'm glad to see that Erdogan has turned around on this. By Benjamin Harvey for Associated Press:
ISTANBUL, Turkey - Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is to meet Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday, a change of plans that appears to signal openness to a visit that has angered many Turks.Small protests broke out in the cities of Ankara and Istanbul on Monday, but authorities said security measures for the pope — who angered Muslims worldwide with comments in September on Islam and violence — will be tighter than they were for President Bush's visit in 2004.
Benedict, on his first papal visit to a predominantly Muslim country, was to arrive at the Ankara airport Tuesday around noon, where he will meet briefly with Erdogan, who waited until the day before the pope's arrival to announce that he would make time to see the pope.
News reports say some 3,000 police officers have been assigned to guard the pope upon his arrival in the dusty, sprawling capital of Ankara. Snipers will watch from hillsides and tall buildings, and armored vehicles and riot police will be stationed near the areas he is scheduled to visit.
Police also were staking out spots in Istanbul, where Benedict will spend most of his four days in Turkey.
"We have taken all the necessary measures and observations of the route the pope (will travel) and the places the pope will visit," Istanbul police spokesman Ismail Caliskan said.
The most sensitive moment of Benedict's visit may be his walk through the Haghia Sophia, a museum in Istanbul that was built as a Christian church in the 6th century and converted into a mosque in 1453 when Islamic armies conquered the city, then Constantinople.
On Monday, a group of around 100 demonstrators displayed what they said were a million signatures for a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims.
In a speech Sunday, Benedict said he was coming to Turkey as a friend of the Turks and asked his followers to pray for him. That same day, more than 25,000 Turks protested in Istanbul, asking the pope to stay home....
Justice Minister Cemil Cicek said the visit was an opportunity for improved relations between the Christian and Muslim worlds. "We would want this visit to be a cornerstone for (relations) between the two worlds," Cicek said after a Cabinet meeting Monday.
"Turkey is a country that is recognized worldwide for its tolerance and its hospitality. This is an opportunity for (Turkey) to display these qualities," he said.
Yes, and you're off to such a magnificent start.
Posted by Robert at November 28, 2006 3:37 AM
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quote:
"a million signatures for a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims."
Wow --they KNOW its a former church that they took over in which thousands of chrisitians were killed but they want it as a place of worship.
Think of the PURE UNDILUTED EVIL that takes.
ISLAM=NAZISM
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at November 28, 2006 3:48 AM
On Monday, a group of around 100 demonstrators displayed what they said were a million signatures for a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims.
what else is new Muslims have been taking over churches and synagogues for centuries just look in the number of temples in India they were Hindu and are now mosques. Then million signatures maybe we have put together petition with over 6 million signaturesdemanding the Turkish government return Christendom's greatest cathedral to the church is long past time that Muslims return churches and temples and synagogues they have desecrated the only problem being Muslims as a group seem to feel their religion is the only one that has any right to exist.
at November 28, 2006 3:56 AM
the muslims invaded (jihad) Constantinople (now Istanbul) and took the church too -killing those Christians inside praying.
fall of constantinople:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
Mehmed had promised his troops they could loot the city for three days, in accordance with ancient military tradition. Many civilians were slaughtered by the Turks when they first burst through the walls and captured the towers on the land walls
when the muslims got to the church hagia sophia:
quote:
"The Army converged upon the Augusteum, the vast square that fronted the great church of Haghia Sophia whose bronze gates were barred by a huge throng of civilians inside the building, hoping for divine protection at this late hour. After the doors were breached, the troopes separated the congregation according to what price they might bring on the slave markets. A few of the elderly and some infants were summarily slain with a commercial ruthlessness. Soldiers fought over the possession of richly clad senators or for the comely youth or maiden"
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PLEASE NOTE ALL OF THE ABOVE KILLING LOOTING AND RAPE IS ALLOWED AND PROSCRIBED BY MUHAMMED IN THE QURAN/HADITHS --NONE OF THESE ACTIONS WERE AGAINST ISLAMIC BELIEF !!!
HENCE IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT 1 MILLION WOULD SIGN THE PETITION --THEY SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
ITS A DISGUSTING SHOW OF WHAT ISLAM DOES TO PEOPLE
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 28, 2006 3:57 AM
There were survivors at the hands of the murderous muslims following the dictates of the false prophet Muhammed at the hands of evil moongod allah:
Armenian Genocide Survivor Sam Kadorian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfC0thL5lUc
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Hagop Assadourian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3JYUYnsqE&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Richard Parseghian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ijIaMWwtk&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor --Alice Muggerditchian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiaiqowsQg&mode=related&search=
Armenian Genocide Survivor Vartan Hartunian 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYiNbRZBDk&mode=related&search=
MORE SURVIVORS (just key in Armenian Genocide Survivor on youtube.com) or press link below for the indexed results of that search:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Armenian+Genocide+Survivor&search=Search
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 06:07 AM
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********WE WANT YOUR LITTLE BOYS AND GIRLS FOR ISLAM AS YOU LEAVE TURKEY LEAVE THEM BEHIND OR WE WILL TAKE THEM*********************
PS
(when they forced on mass migration out --the turks and kurds would raid the caravan to take little boys and girls in keeping with Muhammeds rules of slave accquisition during 'war'. Look at what this survivor has to say):
Armenian Genocide Survivor - Kevork Balian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnHOSs0XNA
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 06:08 AM
at November 28, 2006 6:10 AM
islamakapigeaters said:
On Monday, a group of around 100 demonstrators displayed what they said were a million signatures for a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims.
WOW 100 demonstrators displayed 1 million signatures!!! What happened to the other 999900 of them?
at November 28, 2006 7:15 AM
And to think this is one of the better Muslim countries, relatively speaking. If anyone is still offended by these light comments almost three months later they really do need to get a life.
But then again, Muslims are not known for putting things in their proper perspective.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 28, 2006 9:01 AM
IslamsForLosers,
*grin* Yeah, you got that right!
I think it is also a campaign by the Muslims in Turkey just wanting to let everyone know they're there, and they want to eventually convert the Church to a Mosque... (which will probably happen, now that the Pope is visiting it...)
After all, why are the signs in english? If they are truly trying to address the Pope, why didn't they write them in Latin???
Anyhooo, just my two cents worth of opinion...
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 28, 2006 9:20 AM
From the article here:
"Turkey is a country that is recognized worldwide for its tolerance and its hospitality. This is an opportunity for (Turkey) to display these qualities," he said."
That is pure bait for the idiots who do the news and "can't we all just get along crowd." Why are so many so stupid? This is 100% pure show for the Turks to pretend that they are not themselves. The street protests show that--but why so little coverage of that in the drive by media?
ALLIES lady has it down here--check out those genocide survivor clips. Let it sink in. We hold Germany to account for WW2 and the holocaust--these guys want to have it both ways. They can't/shouldn't be allowed that--It's like Hitler saying he is for pluralistic diversity--puke.
But, hey, if we can trade with these genocidal mongrels in the EU--what the heck, eh? We do that kind of thing all the time in the west. The only tyranny that has been black-balled last I checked was Cuba--and what a joke that is. We've even kissed and made up with Viet Namh. A little oppression, a little pogroms--it all makes for lower prices at the department store, right? We call the Saudis our friends right--we are amazing.
at November 28, 2006 9:26 AM
On Monday, a group of around 100 demonstrators displayed what they said were a million signatures for a petition demanding that the Haghia Sophia be declared a mosque and opened to worship for Muslims.
Well we can counter this
If you believe in the just case that Hagia Sophia should be restored to its proper religious role as a church, for which it was built in the first place, then please support this petition to the EU Parliament that Turkey should not be admitted as a member of the European Union until it restores Hagia Sophia to its original purpose as a church and not a museum.
A minimum of 1.000.000 signatures are needed in order to persuade the European Union to consider this proposal seriously.
As you know, Turkey is doing everything it can today to convince the European Union that it is a worthy country to join it. If you believe that Turkey should not be admitted to the EU before restoring justice to Hagia Sophia,
please click here to sign the petition
http://www.hagiasophiablog.com/contact-secure.php
Thanx in advance
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/07/hagia-sophia.html
Posted by: shiva at November 28, 2006 9:54 AM
Lifted from another thread post--attributed there to NY Times (1979):
"...the Christian population in Turkey was diminished from 4,500,000 at the beginning of this century to just about 150,000. (After the massacres of many hundreds of thousands).
in WWII fell drastically--but they REALLY fell even faster after the 1950s Turkish Pogrom against christians in Istanbul---currently there are about 1000-1500 christians in istanbul"
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Read the news on the Christians on trial for beign Christians. Yes, Turkey is a real ally(?) Are we idiots?
at November 28, 2006 9:56 AM
An old saying:
Half the success in life can be attributed to just showing up.
Show up Pope Benedict XVI... keep on showing up.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 28, 2006 10:47 AM
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