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An important update to the US Airways Imam Rage controversy. Audrey Hudson in the Washington Times (thanks to all who sent this in) reveals that they were acting far more provocatively than previous reports have indicated.
Muslim religious leaders removed from a Minneapolis flight last week exhibited behavior associated with a security probe by terrorists and were not merely engaged in prayers, according to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials.Witnesses said three of the imams were praying loudly in the concourse and repeatedly shouted "Allah" when passengers were called for boarding US Airways Flight 300 to Phoenix.
"I was suspicious by the way they were praying very loud," the gate agent told the Minneapolis Police Department.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
"That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane."
A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."
But the imams who were escorted off the flight in handcuffs say they were merely praying before the 6:30 p.m. flight on Nov. 20, and yesterday led a protest by prayer with other religious leaders at the airline's ticket counter at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, called removing the imams an act of Islamophobia and compared it to racism against blacks.
"It's a shame that as an African-American and a Muslim I have the double whammy of having to worry about driving while black and flying while Muslim," Mr. Bray said.
More here on the slick Mr. Bray.
The protesters also called on Congress to pass legislation to outlaw passenger profiling.
That would effectively make it illegal to stop a Muslim in an airport, no matter what he was doing. It would give carte blanche to future Muhammad Attas.
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks "cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans.""Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment," she said.
According to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials, the imams displayed other suspicious behavior.
Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she "found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting." Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor, the flight attendant said.
The imams said they were not discussing politics and only spoke in English, but witnesses told law enforcement that the men spoke in Arabic and English, criticizing the war in Iraq and President Bush, and talking about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
A flight attendant said one of the men made two trips to the rear of the plane to talk to the imam during boarding, and again when the flight was delayed because of their behavior. Aviation officials, including air marshals and pilots, said these actions alone would not warrant a second look, but the combination is suspicious.
"That's like shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater. You just can't do that anymore," said Robert MacLean, a former air marshal.
"They should have been denied boarding and been investigated," Mr. MacLean said. "It looks like they are trying to create public sympathy or maybe setting someone up for a lawsuit."
Of course. And it's all about getting that legislation passed.
Posted by Robert at November 28, 2006 10:36 AM
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Pass out pig masks at boarding time-make it mandatory to wear one when flying. Let's see if any Muslims will want to fly then.
But seriously, I can see Congress killing any effort to profile once the Anarchists take over. I think I will quit flying as a result.
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at November 28, 2006 10:58 AM
Boy I sure hope this isn't a bunch of lying Imams same as the lying Imams of Denmark last year at this time. This taqiyya stuff is getting out of hand for a doctrine that is supposedly for Shi'tes only.
Also- Are these clowns really Imams? Like from Al Azar or something? Islam is on my trust but verify list
Posted by: dennisw at November 28, 2006 11:03 AM
Yup, this was a set-up!
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 28, 2006 11:05 AM
Why do these idiots keep getting elected?
It is time for black Americans to think about more than how they want to stick it to the man.
Lee, Conyers, McKinney (thank God she's out now),etc. Shilling for islam.
We cannot allow the dhimmicrats to make profiling muslims illegal. It is muslims who desire to crash planes into buildings.....yes, Hoopster...it is muslims. No it is not the religion of peace. Religion of terror = RoT®
at November 28, 2006 11:06 AM
Just look at that Mahdi Bray. Smoother than a baby's bottom. He's been schooled by the best in taqiyya. Spinning tall tales for the infidel is his bread and butter.
Posted by: dennisw at November 28, 2006 11:07 AM
Muslims are their own worst enemy. People in the United States aren't stupid or hamstrung by any particular set of political beliefs. The more this sort of thing happens, the more they'll damage themselves.
This is a freewheeling marketplace of ideas you idiots! Do you think for a moment that The American People as a whole can be duped, intimidated or immobilized by some guilt burden?
We're far too diverse for that! You idiots!
You seal your own fate in the minds of The People when you play your cards far too early and out of any sense of strategy. You show yourselves as foes and people will understand your agenda far too early.
MO-Foes - a word of advice: stop believing your own propoganda and have patience in the 'soft-jihad'. Otherwise you're doomed to failure.
But that's like telling people how to lose weight... the simple truth is this:
Eat less, eat healthy, be more active and excercise more.
It's that simple, but most people look for easier or magical solutions to the problem.
Mo-foes can't help but try to 'dominate' far too early. They will pay for their foolishness in Spades.
peace out mo-foes.... have it your way.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at November 28, 2006 11:07 AM
Well, common sense seems to be winning. If that's the best these "spiritual leaders" are able to come up with, I would say the West has triumphed.
Posted by: mareeS at November 28, 2006 11:20 AM
I am so sick of hearing that word "Islamophobia".
Websters dictionary defines Phobia "A morbid fear that has no reasonable basis and cannot be controlled,"
I have every reason to fear Islam, but I am starting to have some problems with that control part.
Off topic: But is Ellison going to be allowed to swear on the Koran to be a member of Congress?
Posted by: auntbea at November 28, 2006 11:27 AM
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks "cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans.if Ms. Jackson Lee gets her legislation passed I suggest we put her on the first plane is a hijacked as a hostage negotiator or better yet a hostage it not only would be not a great loss may be her fellow Democrats would learn that radical Islam is the reason to profile Muslims. The Israeli Defense forces use profiling and it works. Unfortunately in the USA is not politically correct to question any religion whether or not it's followers have committed violent acts againt the general population of the host country.Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, do not commit jihad. The closest Christianity is come to that was the Crusades and that was in self-defense again next followers of Islam were raiding PilGramm caravans and taking their goods as booty and selling the captives from those caravans as slaves. It took some time until the pope of the day called for a crusade against the Muslim Raiders, but today Muslim jihadist remember the Crusades with terror probably because they got their butts kicked.
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 28, 2006 11:28 AM
regarding the seat belt extenders: a metal buckle on the end of a belt makes a fairly effective weapon in the hands of someone who knows how to use one. Hey, the 9/11 hijackers did well with small box cutters
When they asked for extenders, yet did not use them for the intended purpose, they gave the perception that they were arming themselves
Posted by: PapaBear at November 28, 2006 11:31 AM
Here is an article about a "convert", asking "why?"
I'm still asking, why? I never hear a good reason as to "why islam?"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1954909,00.html
at November 28, 2006 11:31 AM
"Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin."
So, maybe it was a hijacking? Maybe our guys stopped one and are called racist for doing so? Its like the two border agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. This was the original meaning of
Borking someone. Bork fired Archibald Cox the special prosecutor, for doing his job, prosecuting Nixon's men.
We need a new term. PC profiling or perhaps a Norman Mineta Net. This is penalizing employees of the airline and the guards for doing their job, stopping a potential hijacking.
Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 28, 2006 11:44 AM
Thanks to the American heroes on United 93 and now to the passengers of US Airways 300, there will never, ever be a completed terror mission in our skies. We are forever vigilant.
I just booked my family of five on US Airways...for Christmas.
Posted by: scarab at November 28, 2006 11:49 AM
What we hear:
" The protesters also called on Congress to pass legislation to outlaw passenger profiling "
Now in Turnspeak:
" Just stop resisting and let us KILL you already "
It's so Damn offensive that they think we should stop being Vigilant and profiling the type of People who ARE committing acts of Terrorism .
Arabic looking People and MUSLIMS. it was only an INCONVIENIENCE! they act like they were sent to Gitmo or something. this should seen as a clear sign that a great many Muslims in the West don't give a Wit about our safety or have any compassion for it. as usual they only care how it affects THEM! this is clearly provocative behaviour and we should learn a lot from it.
we know where we stand with them now.
Posted by: DUGGY at November 28, 2006 11:50 AM
I can't find the reference but some time ago an Arabic speaking woman posing as a potential convert hung around and listened in at her local mosque (in Ohio I believe). Thinking she didn't understand, young Muslim guys spoke about the fun they had spooking passengers. They all talked about other things they could do to scare other flyers. I'd love to find the reference again if anyone knows.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 28, 2006 11:51 AM
"How the imams terrorized an airliner"
Just with the "few" facts that have come out, it certianly smells of a setup by the imams!
They knew exactly what they were doing.
Posted by: sounder at November 28, 2006 11:53 AM
When one looks at the characteristics of I-slam then it's pretty clear that I-slam is a taking by force all and everything ideology for a few to enjoy unlike other beliefs like Christianity and Buddhism.
During the tsunami in south east Asia, muslim countries donated just a fraction for those in need.
Thanks, I-slam (it)
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 11:54 AM
They're testing our patience.
Posted by: freewoman at November 28, 2006 11:59 AM
If you outlaw muslims only muslims will be outlaws.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 28, 2006 12:00 PM
Watch for legislative activity relating to this issue. Check the local legislative watchdog groups for this (example: http://www.beyonddelay.org/ ). Watch out for the emerging Fifth column when the dems take over after January.
When they do, take names and let everybody know what they are doing to us (citizens). (just like a pedophile who tells his victim to stop yelling or he will hurt them.). Our pols need to lead, follow, or get out of the way in regards to resisting these invaders.
Posted by: squire at November 28, 2006 12:02 PM
We don't need to outlaw the people but the ones that follow strictly the "I-slam" rules.
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 12:03 PM
they utterly Lack compassion .
Much like the teachings of Muhammad.
at November 28, 2006 12:04 PM
Watch for legislative activity relating to this issue. Check the local legislative watchdog groups for this (example: http://www.beyonddelay.org/ ). Watch out for the emerging Fifth column when the dems take over after January.
When they do, take names and let everybody know what they are doing to us (citizens). (just like a pedophile who tells his victim to stop yelling or he will hurt them.). Our pols need to lead, follow, or get out of the way in regards to resisting these invaders.
Can I as a non-American join in?
Lets call it then "We-slam"
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 12:08 PM
They are lucky that some passengers did not open up a family-sized can of whoopass. After 9/11, it is very unlikely that passengers involved in a highjacking will meekly sit waiting to die anyway. I know I would use anything at my disposal that would leave a mark.
Posted by: MP at November 28, 2006 12:08 PM
We cannot allow the dhimmicrats to make profiling muslims illegal. It is muslims who desire to crash planes into buildings.....yes, Hoopster...it is muslims. No it is not the religion of peace. Religion of terror = RoT®
Posted by: Carolyn
I agree 100% but.. HOW do we not allow this. What do we do exactly? Our posting on JW sadly won't keep Congress from doing foolish thinhgs.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 12:20 PM
Off topic: But is Ellison going to be allowed to swear on the Koran to be a member of Congress?
Posted by: auntbea
He should be sworn in on a roll of toilet paper. Since he's so full of IT.
at November 28, 2006 12:21 PM
I take back my suggestion that these guys should have gotten any kind of apology (when apparently all they had done was say a prayer before boarding). Obviously they have questions to answer: why they ignored their seating assignments, why they invaded the first class area without first class tickets, and why the heck those seat belt extenders were needed. I hope we get satisfactory answers to those questions before they are allowed on an airplane again.
Posted by: Karl Pov at November 28, 2006 12:24 PM
If a plane crew is kept from removing "suspiciously behaving" people, then it's going to have to be passenger revolt time.
It is going to be up to all "uncomfortable" passengers to get up and leave when they see suspicious behavior. I feel bad for the airlines but I will not hesitate to get my family off of a plane if the crew is legally bound to allow the "suspicious" to fly.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at November 28, 2006 12:29 PM
If a plane crew is kept from removing "suspiciously behaving" people, then it's going to have to be passenger revolt time.
That's it.
Knowing their books of terror, the quran, hadits, sunnas etc., one has to expect the worst from i-slam.
at November 28, 2006 12:35 PM
He should be sworn in on a roll of toilet paper. Since he's so full of IT.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 12:21 PM
Same difference.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 28, 2006 12:36 PM
Arabic looking People and MUSLIMS. it was only an INCONVIENIENCE! they act like they were sent to Gitmo or something. this should seen as a clear sign that a great many Muslims in the West don't give a Wit about our safety or have any compassion for it. as usual they only care how it affects THEM! this is clearly provocative behaviour and we should learn a lot from it.
The problem is that a lot of the Dhimmiticians mentioned earlier in this thread are treating US like WE are the problem! Just like in Germanyt where the German politicians are bending over backwards to accommodate the Enemies of Europe while they call anyone who merely questions whether turkey should be in the EU or what benefit are these people to Germany and the other countries? Oh, yes then they get indignant and hold hands with some turks and call US nazis and racists! Well, what about the *black* German I know who talked about the nerve these moslems have and how he can't stand how they talk to our women on the street?!
What a dilemma for these flexible, bend-over Germans: does skin color trump "religion". I guess whoever speakes the language less enthusiastically and whoever acts more anti-socially will get the nod. Besides.. we CAN't have a black guy identifying and acting German all of a sudden, now can we?
There are many people who are FED UP with moslems and NOT ALL OF THEM ARE WHITE, you EU-asshats!! [with a nod to tgusa]
Are the Hindus and the Buddhists in India and in Indonesia white? What about the Christians in East Timor?!!!!! Shall I go on about Armenians and Christians in AFRICA!! Oh, yes.. the RESIST islamification so they MUST be racists!! I say let's let these so-called racists immigrate if we have to have immigration!! At least they'll be going to church with us. Because I am about to go to church myself just to see where the resistance might be located physically-speaking.
But what do we have in Congress.. Conyers, Rangel, Pelosi, Dick Turban and many other fanatical PC-ticians!!!
They WANT OUR MONEY but they DON'T WANT US!!!!
WE don't know what we are talking about. WE have NO reason to be cautious about riding on a plane with a bunch of smelly bearded hoodlums!!!
WHEN on a PLANE, folks.. it would be WISE to ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY!!!!
Let the [f]lying imams get on a plane with the dhimmiticians instead of US!! I think I'll get a car. I'd rather drive to Florida a few times a year than sit next to one of these brutes!
at November 28, 2006 12:40 PM
If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck....
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 28, 2006 12:40 PM
and why the heck those seat belt extenders were needed. I hope we get satisfactory answers to those questions before they are allowed on an airplane again.
Posted by: Karl Pov
You know what? I hadn't even HEARD of seat belt extenders before this incident. Amazing that a bunch of svelte imams would know about seat belt extenders, isn't it? And then all SIX of them need these things?
I don't need a drawing to get the picture.
Show of hands. How many of you knew about seat belt extenders before the [f]lying imams incident?
Next question: WHY would they know about seat belt extenders?
conclusion: This was clearly an act of testing, prodding and provocation. And right after the dhimmicrats took over both Houses too!
So many coincidences! Shall I play the lotto today? Do I feel lucky?
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 12:49 PM
" If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...."
....It is NOT a Duck. that is the message(turnspeak) they want us to hear. 911 was nor perpetrated by Arabs or Muslims, just a few whackos?
right.
They really must think we are that PC and dumb?
Posted by: DUGGY at November 28, 2006 12:49 PM
germaninamerica,
nice punch and sooo true.
did you know that 33000 muslims in Germany are under a 24 hour surveillance since a couple of days? There's hope
... but not for islam ...
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 12:51 PM
Arnie, where did you see that story about the 33,000 in Germany? I heard on the news this morning that they have arrested several NeoNazis, but I haven't yet seen anything on muslims???
It was on spiegel.de a couple of days ago.
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 12:58 PM
Michelle Malkin nailed it perfectly when she called it 'victim politicking' and they did this as a way to strongarm our politicians to enact laws to make it illegal to search anyone. This PC crap has GOT to stop! http://sacredscoop.com
Posted by: CottShop at November 28, 2006 12:58 PM
Islam is such a perfect vehicle for victimhood. These idiots get on a plane acting strange, they're removed and of course they are victims-victims of profiling, of islamophobia, etc.
Now what would happen if these same guys got on that plane and acted normal, but some of the other passengers started chanting "Death to Islam"? More victimhood for them! For Muslims, Islam has become a wonderful tool in the West-you get publicity, lawsuits and the sympathy of idiots no matter what you do. PC has made being a Muslim in the West a can't-lose situation. No wonder they keep on coming.
at November 28, 2006 1:01 PM
Staged, deliberate.
And it's just the beginning. Muslims won't be happy until they have Call to Prayer towers in every town in the United States, on college campuses and even on military bases. And they'll act like they are "good citizens" the entire time they usurp our way of life, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and Congress itself.
Give it 20 years and then look around. You won't be happy if things continue down the path I see before us today....
Posted by: Foehammer at November 28, 2006 1:03 PM
And it's just the beginning. Muslims won't be happy until they have Call to Prayer towers in every town in the United States, on college campuses and even on military bases. And they'll act like they are "good citizens" the entire time they usurp our way of life, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and Congress itself.
Join the new religion "WeSlam" to counter "I-slam"
Posted by: Arnie at November 28, 2006 1:06 PM
Like I asked before, why are not these six imam hijackers and their attorneys before a military tribunal?
This was NOT a prayer meeting – it was a brazen act of violent jihad; WAR!
Make NO mistake about this one; it was a sky-jacking that has committed violence against everyone on board that day, and is now terrorizing every law abiding citizen through the threat of the courts!
Now, they believe that using the pretext of religion, they are going to prostitute the justice system in America as weapons against the People and the country that harbors them.
These criminals are bent on doing more damage that Atta did on 911; only this time their weapons are not airlines – it is their “free expression” of religion that they plan on using in a nuclear strike against us all in the court system.
The ONLY rightful place for this band of terrorists is in front of a military firing squad!
Posted by: witness at November 28, 2006 1:06 PM
An oldie but a goodie -- think the Muslims don't succeed in overturning laws in this country already? Think again:
http://www.foehammer.net/2004/07/hamtramck-michigan-and-muslim-call-to.html
CAIR talking-heads, lawyers, staged protests: It's all a methodical plan of institutionalizing Islam into American culture bit by bit by bit, and they are succeeding.
Until Americans get the courage to defy and revile Islam as we have Communism and Nazism, we are doomed to fail as a nation. Islam has nothing but patience and time on its side and as long as we are foolish enough to not take a stand on our own soil, then we will deserve our fate.
Wake up, people.
Posted by: Foehammer at November 28, 2006 1:16 PM
witness, in a sane world they WOULD BE!!!
Then, let's declare it a "sane world," and by God -- proceed!
at November 28, 2006 1:16 PM
americaningermany - I can imagine a few potential uses for seatbelt extenders.
1.) wrap web belt around your fist leaving the buckle exposed to form improvised brass knuckles.
2.) restrain a hostage.
3.) garotte.
but that's just me.
at November 28, 2006 1:16 PM
CITY OF HAMTRAMCK, MICHIGAN
Karen Majewski, Mayor
--------------- City Council ---------------
Rob Cedar, Mayor Pro - Tem
Abdul Algazali
Robert Zwolak
Shahab Ahmed
Scott Klein
Timothy Nowalkoski
at November 28, 2006 1:22 PM
Sane world? LOL.
Posted by: Foehammer at November 28, 2006 1:23 PM
Any war involving Muslims can only be, by definition, a "civil war", and they conceive them as such where ever they fight. Our concept of national sovreignty and the concepts that follow from national soveignty is keeping us in the fog about this fact. There are no nation states in the world of Islam. This insight came to me over the past week. This has some serious implication about where the battle field is. Welcome to the world-wide civil war, c/o dar-al-harb, Minneapolis chapter.
Posted by: Emerson Twain at November 28, 2006 1:29 PM
I received this follow-up email today from US Airways (as I know many of you have); I've copied it below, followed by the reply I sent. Folks, please continue to support US Airways' decision.
Dear Valued Customer:
Thank you for taking the time to contact Customer Relations at US
Airways. Your comments and perception of US Airways are very important
to us.
Regarding the situation involving six customers on US Airways Flight 300
from Minneapolis to Phoenix on the evening of November 20th, we are
diligently conducting our own investigation. We are debriefing
crewmembers and ground personnel as well as working with local law
enforcement. We will cooperate fully with all of the appropriate law
enforcement officials to determine the facts surrounding this incident.
We are always concerned when passengers are inconvenienced and
especially concerned when a situation occurs which causes customers to
feel their dignity was compromised. We do not tolerate discrimination of
any kind and will continue to exhaust our internal investigation until
we know the facts of this case and can provide answers for the employees
and customers involved.
Thank you for sharing your comments and allowing us the opportunity to
explain our position. We appreciate your continued patronage.
Sincerely,
Barbara Madgett
US Airways Customer Relations
4000 E. Sky Harbor Blvd.
Phoenix, AZ 85034
1-800-363-2542
Dear Ms. Madgett,
Thank you for your follow-up email regarding the recent situation in which
six Muslim clerics have claimed they were "discriminated" against by US
Airways because they were "praying" before their flight. I emailed several days ago to commend your airline, and I am emailing again not only to commend you but to ask you to please *remain firm* in your commitment to the
safety of your passengers and crew and not to cave in to what are clearly false charges of "discrimination." I read an article this morning in the Washington Times which states, in part, "Passengers and flight attendants
told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin. "That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane.'"
Indeed--it would alarm any right-minded crew member or passenger, as would much of the other suspicious behavior these men exhibited just prior to and after boarding the plane. I sincerely hope US Airways will stand firm on
this issue. I can assure you, the business you may lose from a very few Muslim extremists will be more than offset by the increased business you will reap from travelers like myself, my husband (who frequently flies on business), and from non-Muslims generally. (In fact, I am sure even many moderate Muslims appreciate your decision to put safety first.)
Sincerely,
etc.
Posted by: kaffirchick at November 28, 2006 1:31 PM
Its seems according to hadiths that (at least later in life) Mohammed himself was FAT and would have needed seat belt extenders - maybe they are imitating The Perfect Man.
Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 28, 2006 1:43 PM
This story just completely pisses me off!!! It's so obvious it was a set up and they're using the race card taken from the black playbook.
Posted by: Bonniea at November 28, 2006 1:43 PM
I can't find the reference but some time ago an Arabic speaking woman posing as a potential convert hung around and listened in at her local mosque (in Ohio I believe). Thinking she didn't understand, young Muslim guys spoke about the fun they had spooking passengers. They all talked about other things they could do to scare other flyers. I'd love to find the reference again if anyone knows.
I remember that one; it was posted in here about a year ago. The woman had studied Arabic in college or was an Arabic Jew or something like that.
As she waited for the weekly Open House to start, she sat at the back of the mosque and heard the Imam praise the young men for practicing Lesser Jihad, emphasizing that it is every bit as important as Greater Jihad.
And I agree with this sleazyball, based on the the princple of the 6th Pillar of Islam:
Each Moslem must work to cause pervasive fear of personal ruination, injury, or murder of anyone who dares criticize or oppose Islam, and also of the uppity Infidel's family, friends, associates, and even descendents, so as to reap the political and financial fruits the resultant prerogative brings the local Ummah.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
The Supreme Court is gonna have to rule on such a resultant Moslem prerogative in the not too distant future. I look for these lawyers in robes to fold to the 6th Pillar, abandoning the relegated Infidel citizens who brought the lawsuit, and the priciple of Equal Justice Before The Law right along with 'em.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 28, 2006 1:44 PM
Off topic: But is Ellison going to be allowed to swear on the Koran to be a member of Congress?
Posted by: auntbea
Yes, he will swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution on a war manual that commands him to lie in order to subvert said Constitution and establish sharia law everywhere. Who said these clowns have no sense of irony?
On a brighter note, however, it is encouraging that they pulled this stunt in order to pass what is sure to be pelosi / conyers / ellison proposal to eliminate profiling. It might indicate that the new blond blue-eyed recruits to the ummah can't be trusted with these 'missions'. I hope and pray that CAIR is stupid enough to seek civil damages in a court of law, so that all the details of this stunt can come out.
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 28, 2006 1:46 PM
" I can't find the reference but some time ago an Arabic speaking woman posing as a potential convert hung around and listened in at her local mosque (in Ohio I believe). Thinking she didn't understand, young Muslim guys spoke about the fun they had spooking passengers. They all talked about other things they could do to scare other flyers. I'd love to find the reference again if anyone knows. "
What a novel idea! maybe i'll do the same where i live . maybe others all over N Amaerica and the West should do similar.
Posted by: DUGGY at November 28, 2006 1:59 PM
To my limited knowledge, there seem to be two aspects to profiling: (a) What you look like & (b) What you do (in a situation).
In this instance, it seems multiple people added these two factors together and decided these people represented a risk.
So far, we’ve had two (publicised) incidents where passenger intervention interfered with terrorists plans (Richard Reid, the shoe bomber and flight 93), so I see it’s value, but the chance for hysteria is also there.
But in some ways, the profiling question has moved on. As we all fret about the actions of a group of numptie Imans, Islamic Terrorist groups are training black, white and asian (Indian sub-continent + Asia) radicalised people. These are the next generation of airline terrorists.
I fly a lot, and I don’t want the passengers from Malaga or Arizona profiling my fellow passengers, I want the authorities to do that. But again, with the recent scare on liquids in hand luggage it illustrates that terrorists will attempt to evade current profiles. This is why the ‘muslim on the plane’ profile won’t be static. So basically, I'll let the Malaga Massive watch the poor sod Muslim bloke, I'm watching for much more subtle profiles ('if that Muslim bloke goes for his aftershave I'm going to have him!')
at November 28, 2006 2:01 PM
There will be an investigation and there will be pressure on the airlines and sensitivity training and all that PC nonsense.
If i was the airline representative,i would just say that as far as the airline is concerned,this was an attempted hijacking and i challenge anyone to prove that i`m wrong.
I would go even further and i would promote and reward the airmarshalls and the crew,for having saved the lives of the passengers of that particular flight.
at November 28, 2006 2:04 PM
Off topic: But is Ellison going to be allowed to swear on the Koran to be a member of Congress? Posted by: auntbea
Yes, he will swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution on a war manual that commands him to lie in order to subvert said Constitution and establish sharia law everywhere. Who said these clowns have no sense of irony? posted by Infidel33
Guys take a deep breath, slow down and use some common sense...just because a person is a muslim does not make them an enemy of the U.S. especially when (like Ellison) his cultural roots are Christian American...
That aside. Christians take oaths on the Bible all of the time and lie profusely, commit perjury and ignore their oaths. I doubt that a muslim is as lax as a Christian, but I could be wrong.. and true though it may be that the Qur'an is a war manual..I would rather a person take on oath on a book in which they believe, than on a book in which they don't believe.
Should atheists swear or take oaths on a Bible? For what purpose? Do muslims in their own lands require Christians to swear on the Qur'an? (I don't know, but it seems a vain exercise if they do).
Shouldn't a Christian be insulted and instantly distrustful of any oath taken by a muslim or any other non believer on the Bible?
What is the purpose of taking oaths on "scriptures" anyway? Answer: to put the soul of the believer in jeopardy if he violates the oath, an assumption that has had (historically) no effacious result in as much as people routinely perjure and break oaths..even the so called "best of them" such as Ted Haggart, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, and even Pat Robertson (who made a fortune doing business with a genocidal african leader) The fraud of Operation Blessing which not even the "leftist" media will expose...hmmmm.
Posted by: Nariz at November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
2 imams in front, 2 in the middle rows, 2 in the back. Wow what a coin-ki-dinnk huh. This is where rubber meets the road. The US airline industry MUST stand firm. Each ticket has a contract associated with with these companies. That contract discusses the conditions of flight for the passenger. If you order it from a major airlines the FULL contract is something like a 200 page book. It goes into detail as to what you agree the airline can do. So surely they have enough power to enforce safety procedures without problem. Ignorance of a contract is like ignorance of the law --no excuse. And since nobody FORCED you to buy a ticket you cant say you entered into the agreement under duress. Terms of contract are freely available from every major airline!!
The imams, i telling you were "feeling things out"--since some of them have been tied to hamas etc. They are 'good' muslims doing their bit for the 'greater jihad'--for the dark horned god named allah...
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
Do the morons who post here understand what I just said.
Should Ellison or anyone else take an oath on a book which they do not believe or hold as sacred scripture? (Muslims believe that the Christians and Jews corrupted their own scriptures).
Or should he and others take an oath on a book in which they believe, such as the Qur'an.
What book should a Hindu, animist, Sioux, Buddhist take an oath on? (Assuming the Sioux is not a Christian).
You clowns are a disgrace to the cause of freedom, and your childish inanities, insanities and rants do more harm than good..if you have a need to vent.. then vent in private, not in public where you harm the cause and discredit the more thoughtful and well meaning Jihad fighters like Robert and Hugh.
Mostly, though, you "talk" like immature adolescents or ignorant red necks, and do more harm than good with your inanities and insanities.
Posted by: Nariz at November 28, 2006 2:17 PM
If i was a passenger on that plane,i would sue the six imams for causing me and my family psychological trauma...i would go for everything they own.
We need to strike back somehow,not just sit and complain like morons.
at November 28, 2006 2:24 PM
Nariz,
You have a lot of nerve insulting the posters here. I really do not know why you have such a superiority complex, oh yeah.... you reject God.
at November 28, 2006 2:42 PM
BTW, it is RS' site and he will decide who gets the ax, if I remember correcly, I think you got it once.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 28, 2006 2:47 PM
Off topic news from France:
FRANCE: INTERVIEW - ISLAM ON AGENDA OF FIRST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OF ARAB ORIGIN
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at November 28, 2006 2:47 PM
kaffirchick - Excellent letter.
The more we learn about the event, the more obvious it becomes that this was a planned maneuver.
If the political groups try to use this to push through laws that favour Muslims, I hope everyone who wrote or called the airline will write or call the appropriate politician.
We do have a voice: we just need to speak up, loud and clear, and be prepared to put our money where our mouth is.
Posted by: Josephine at November 28, 2006 2:48 PM
And we find here with this article still MORE fresh evidence showing that it is very important to NOT believe ANYTHING a Muslim says. Ever.
How much MORE evidence will it take to show postively to Americans and the world that Muslims are barbarians and DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT belong in any civilized nation????!!!!!???
How many more innocent lives of people will it take before the message sinks in?????
Do we care to find out? (No).
Posted by: pythagoras at November 28, 2006 2:50 PM
AND
"ignorant red necks," that is a phrase you lefties like to throw around. That and "white trash" and "trailer trash".
You are talking about the working men and women of the USA. Oh so superior! The red necks are what drive this country.
at November 28, 2006 2:53 PM
Guys take a deep breath, slow down and use some common sense...just because a person is a muslim does not make them an enemy of the U.S.
Who should be recommending common sense here?
Someone who swears allegience to Islam in so doing swears undying emnity to the principles of civil government, equality before the law, and freedom.
This is not just because Islam self-identifies as a hybrid form of government and military, it's also because in principle Moslems are the sworn enemies of all non-Moslems (at least until they convert to Islam).
This is why the translated name of Islam is Surrender.
After a nearly 1,400 demo of what happens every time your recommendation of Moslems as fellow citizens is heeded, need we continue speculating?
No Islamic country is free. None is at peace in the sense that we know it. Every Infidel country overrun by Moslems (except Spain and Sicily) remain Islamic. Mass immigration of Moslems since the Hippies took over governments in the West has already curailed freedoms, raised costs, lost security, and likely portends complete Islamization of many or most Western countries.
Every devout Moslem is a sworn enemy of the USA and other freedom loving, principled countries like Australia and the UK.
It's that simple. To think otherwise is naive and wishful thinking, and extremely dangerous. Just look at their track record, which is consistent and impressive.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 28, 2006 2:54 PM
Guys take a deep breath, slow down and use some common sense...just because a person is a muslim does not make them an enemy of the U.S.
Who should be recommending common sense here?
Someone who swears allegience to Islam in so doing swears undying emnity to the principles of civil government, equality before the law, and freedom.
This is not just because Islam self-identifies as a hybrid form of government and military, it's also because in principle Moslems are the sworn enemies of all non-Moslems (at least until they convert to Islam).
This is why the translated name of Islam is Surrender.
After a nearly 1,400 demo of what happens every time your recommendation of Moslems as fellow citizens is heeded, need we continue speculating?
No Islamic country is free. None is at peace in the sense that we know it. Every Infidel country overrun by Moslems (except Spain and Sicily) remain Islamic. Mass immigration of Moslems since the Hippies took over governments in the West has already curailed freedoms, raised costs, lost security, and likely portends complete Islamization of many or most Western countries.
Every devout Moslem is a sworn enemy of the USA and other freedom loving, principled countries like Australia and the UK.
It's that simple. To think otherwise is naive and wishful thinking, and extremely dangerous. Just look at their track record, which is consistent and impressive.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 28, 2006 2:54 PM
The "real smart guys" would do well to listen to a few "red necks".
Sorry folks, I am so sick of ivory tower a$$holes and their put-downs of the working men and women of the US.
at November 28, 2006 2:57 PM
Nariz posted:
"You clowns are a disgrace to the cause of freedom, and your childish inanities, insanities and rants do more harm than good..if you have a need to vent.. then vent in private, not in public where you harm the cause and discredit the more thoughtful and well meaning Jihad fighters like Robert and Hugh."
Freedom of Speech is not so easily dismissed by those that would sit in judgement of others.
As for oath-taking on something other than a Bible: since I consider Islam an Enemy of the State by its very nature, fascist doctrine and false writings, I for one will hold in contempt any person that swears upon a copy of the Koran when he is introduced into U.S. government on any level. Whether this matters to anyone else hardly is a consideration -- this is a personal evaluation and my right to so judge is my own, and I choose to not recognize any elected officials that call themselves a Muslim.
Islam isn't outlawed in the USA yet, so I expect I shall be forced to endure more than one Muslim sworn into office in Congress over the coming years, but hopefully not without end at some point. I do not, however, have to personally recognize the rights of such people, anymore than I would recognize the rights of a KKK member in Congress, a Nazi or a Communist.
Like it or not, the United States has been traditionally a Judeo-Christian nation, founded upon such principles as held dear by God-fearing men and women. I'm sure any truly peace-loving ideologies can exist in harmony with the roots of this nation, but Islam is definitely not something that falls into that category. Forgive me if I don't so easily fall prey to motivations of those that would force Islam onto our society and culture and tell us to do it or else we are "racists" or "bigots" or worse. I would sooner trust an honest atheist than I ever would a Muslim, and that is a fact, because at least the atheist is not preaching from or swearing upon a pile of words scribbled together by megalomaniac that's been dead for 1400 years.
Posted by: Foehammer at November 28, 2006 2:58 PM
Nariz: "Or should he and others take an oath on a book in which they believe, such as the Qur'an."
Nariz, should he take an oath on a book he believes in?, thus its contents too I presume?
A book that tolerates ISLAM only. That's discrimination against the majority of the American people.
as a moron sees it.
at November 28, 2006 3:02 PM
Do the morons who post here understand what I just said?
Yeah, you said something that bears no relation to reality. Something really dumb.
The Koran is not like any other book, except maybe Mein Kampf, the modern day knock off of it. Both worked wonders at mass motivation.
Would a German-American be allowed to swear into Congress with his hand on that tome?
What is it with you Leftists? When you're not denying reality and shrilly demanding destructive behaviors, you're patting each other on the back congratulation one another what geniuses you are.
Nariz, next you're gonna tell me Das Kapital was spot on, ain't ye?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 28, 2006 3:20 PM
Amen Bonniea. With the help of CAIR et al, they've learned how to play the system for all it's worth. Slicker than snot on a peeled onion.
The question for me is how far the appeasement will go.
at November 28, 2006 3:25 PM
I can't find the reference but some time ago an Arabic speaking woman posing as a potential convert hung around and listened in at her local mosque (in Ohio I believe). Thinking she didn't understand, young Muslim guys spoke about the fun they had spooking passengers. They all talked about other things they could do to scare other flyers. I'd love to find the reference again if anyone knows.
Posted by: poetcomic1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 11:51 AM
http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/smalltownusa.asp1:29 PM
Posted by: dms at November 28, 2006 3:33 PM
Rednecks, White socks and Blue Ribbon Beer!
Gee, Nariz, Didja ever wonder how they got that way?
Here's a clue. They work in the sun doing work most americans think that they are too good to do.
Here's another clue. Walt Whitman said, "Common sense is really genius in overalls."
The elitist look at things, is that they know better. I have to ask, better than what?
So what say you?
Posted by: credit man at November 28, 2006 3:51 PM
Wow, I got the attention of a troll!
Do you know who Aunt Bea is? Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry's Aunt.
I am on the surface a sophisticated,educated, American woman. I've had dinner in Windows on the World before those Islamic b**turds took it down.
But scratch me just a little and I'm a redneck from the South.
Where I come from we don't tolerate men who abuse women. We have a lot of handy swamps with Alligators in them. You see they eat all of the evidence.
I am glad it worries you that I would object to Ellison using that book of toilet paper to swear his allegiance to whatever cause he would be swearing to.
You see, CAIR is not the only one who can bring lawsuits. Wait 'til any and all legislature he votes on gets challenged! Because I don't consider him a congressman if his first allegiance is to Islam. This ain't Pakistan YET.
at November 28, 2006 4:01 PM
There is no reason to believe that these 'IMAMS', are innocent victims. But our 'enlightened' politicos think differently : Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks "cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans."
"Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment," she said
This is almost too stupid for a liberal, but not quite. Almost on par with Rosie OOOOOH, who muttered something about terrorists being mothers and fathers like the rest of us. Why is it that the most stupid of the stupid become politicians, or entertainers, or worse yet, entertainers who think they are politicians. And most of them seem to be liberals.
Is it because they are good for little else?
Nariz...This is off topic...But, I doubt a 'good muslim' would put his hand on a bible for most any reason, unless to shred it maybe. If they did, I bet their hand would get hot, smoke and burn maybe.
Some Christians do lie a lot, but that is not because of Christianity, that is in spite of it. There is nothing in the Bible that tells Christians to lie under oath, or at all. Besides, even a lying Christian's hand wont get burnt touching a bible...
I think muslims should swear on the Quran, (just think of the savings in bandages and burn cream) but I would hope that might touch off a public debate as to just who the REAL God is...or isn't...
at November 28, 2006 4:10 PM
Foehammer says: "Like it or not, the United States has been traditionally a Judeo-Christian nation, founded upon such principles as held dear by God-fearing men and women."
Exactly the point! Thats what Americans and everyone here is trying to protect.
The Muslims are the first to cry interference by the West in their culture and affairs, therfore they should clearly undertand why the USA & the West wants to protect their own traditional culture and values. Oil and water don't mix.
If this type stuff keeps going on i.e swearing on the Koran, chipping away at national identities, accomodating every ethnic group or religion, we , as a people won't have a clue who we are in time, Nor have any control of who we are either.
The posters on this site are acutely aware of this looming threat, the washing out of a culture for a minority and a threatening one at that, thus great sense of danger is observed and expressed here in their posts.
None here are morons for having such beliefs as suggested by Nariz. They just fear they are going to be slowly sold out.
Muslims who cannot accept traditionally Judeo-Christian nations have the freedom of relocating to traditionally Islamic nations. That would truly be upholding their sincere beliefs.
Posted by: sounder at November 28, 2006 4:27 PM
with all the rants and insults coming from Nariz, maybe he should take himself off and go for some valium.
Europe and the US/Canada were founded on Judea/Christian values. l am sure the US founders would never allow any muslim from being elected yet even to be allowed the koran to use for swearing into office. well if that loser muslim wants to swear on his koran, it will be an infedel swearing him in. what ever the regular harding working joe sees more of the evil of islam than any elitist. and it will be the harding working joe that saves this nation and culture.
at November 28, 2006 4:47 PM
Nope. Never heard of seatbelt extenders before this. Were the imams that FAT? They wanted to distract the flight attendants, that's all.
Posted by: americaningermany
No AIG I read they were of average build. I've been on planes with fat people and noone had use of seat belt extenders.
Jokes are coming to mind.. Jumbo Jets and supersizing.. Maybe I should stop now.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 4:48 PM
Nope. Never heard of seatbelt extenders before this. Were the imams that FAT? They wanted to distract the flight attendants, that's all.
Posted by: americaningermany
Hey, maybe they got FAT by eating a lot of Swan. I heard it's a delicacy for them. For my part I'd rather feed them a LOT OF CROW!
The seat belt extender request was surely a test. Either they get away with it and then some future jihadists get use of these. Or they get thrwn off the plane as they did and they get HUGE media attention and the Dhimmiticians will change OUR LAWS to suit the jihadists!
HOW MANY 9/11s WILL IT TAKE??!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 4:51 PM
The ONLY rightful place for this band of terrorists is in front of a military firing squad!
Posted by: witness at November 28, 2006 01:06 PM
Actually I am so p*ssed at all this I'd like to have them put on a plane.. hands tied to the seat rests like they did to those poor stewardesses.. and the plan set on autopilot headed for the Kaba.. you know that back rock they worship...
I am DONE with moslems. DONE.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 4:53 PM
Foehammer
I was listening to Michael Medved over the lunch hour, and he was making the case that it would be unconstitutional on First Amendment grounds to bar Ellison from swearing on the Quran. With Pelosi as speaker, I can't imaging him being barred from swearing in the way he wishes.
Having said that, even though I am all for elected non-Christian Congressmen being sworn in on books of their choice - be it the Avesta, Torah, even Dianetics - I make an exception of the Quran. Not merely because of our strong hostility to Islam, but because that muddies the waters in terms of the oaths being taken. For instance, if Ellison swears on the Quran to uphold the US constitution, implicitly it means that he would protect the First Amendment religious freedoms of American Infidels. But then again, since he's sworn on the Quran, it would imply that he endorses 8:39/2:193, which calls for perennial warfare against Infidels 'until disbelief is no more and all religion is for Allah' i.e. eliminate all religious freedom to be anything but Islamic. If someone tells us two contradictory things, which one do we assume as true? I'd go with the sura 9 argument.
Given the contradictory aspect of these 2 oaths, there is a very good case for the Quran being disallowed - not that it's likely to happen. Besides, Medved is right on one point - it won't survive a moment's scrutiny in any court in the land.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 28, 2006 4:59 PM
You clowns are a disgrace to the cause of freedom, and your childish inanities, insanities and rants do more harm than good..if you have a need to vent.. then vent in private, not in public where you harm the cause and discredit the more thoughtful and well meaning Jihad fighters like Robert and Hugh.
Mostly, though, you "talk" like immature adolescents or ignorant red necks, and do more harm than good with your inanities and insanities.
Posted by: Nariz
Don't patonize us. I'd MUCH rather fly on a plane filles with all the Rednecks you can throw at me than with just ONE MO-Foe! If I were a wealthy sod I'd even start an airline that were designed to discourage moslem travellers. I'd call it PIG AIR for starters.. and maybe go for a nice licensing agreement with Disney so I could use Porky the Pig as my logo inside and outside my air fleet. I'd of course serve nice juicy pork chops on board. And ribs.. and hot dogs and all kinds of nice stuff made from pork :-)
Who'd have ever imagined that a little piggy might well become the icon of our Salvation!
Ad what "GOOD" are YOU doing, Nariz?! Are you influencing our Dhimmiticians to go to bat for us against the MO-Foes?! All you ever do is whine about the things we have to say so why stick around?
We are expressing our righteous ANGER for now. But trust me is won'e be where it ends. THIS is merely the START.
And to call US clowns in the face of swan-sashimi-eating "Ramada-fasters" and all these other dangerous islamo-wackos we are subjected to daily!! THAT is indeed a STRONG statement! And I, for one resent it. Nothing against the real "clown community" though.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 5:06 PM
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, Texas Democrat, said the September 11 terrorist attacks "cannot be permitted to be used to justify racial profiling, harassment and discrimination of Muslim and Arab Americans."
"Understandably, the imams felt profiled, humiliated, and discriminated against by their treatment," she said.
Maybe Ms. Jackson-Lee would like to fly with a bunch of imams and their little seat belt extenders.. I for one will request I also "get mine" next time I see a MO-Foe get one!
Just in case.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 5:08 PM
The elitist look at things, is that they know better. I have to ask, better than what?
So what say you?
Posted by: credit man
Better than those who will one day have to SAVE their asses! I am so moving out of New York. I keep getting into arguments here with practically everyone!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 5:15 PM
This is my letter to the FBI terrorism task force. How many of you have told them about anything that made you uneasy? That is the way you beat this problem. Just a redneck's (one word!)observation.
Dear Sir or Madam:
In reference to the imams that were ejected from the flight, I think I know what their plan was. The request for seatbelt extenders was so they could use them as weapons to take over the plane while it was on the ground. On the last flight I was on the cockpit door was open while people were boarding and the pilots were settling in. It would be very possible to rush the cockpit at this time and lock everyone out. A moving plane on the tarmac can do a tremendous amount of damage.
I would recommend that the pilots secure themselves in the cockpit before anyone boards.
Thank you.
Posted by: Hillbilly at November 28, 2006 5:18 PM
"Just look at that Mahdi Bray... He's been schooled by the best in taqiyya."
Taqiyya only works when two conditions are present:
1) when there's a willing and/or ignorant audience;
and
2) when that audience includes masses of ordinary people, not just those favorite bogeymen of the Jihad Watchers, the "elites".
Without these two conditions, taqiyya can do little or no harm.
Posted by: remote_control at November 28, 2006 5:24 PM
All this business about the dhimmicrats changing our laws, not all dems are dhimmis. This is the first step in the long road back. Let them have their jihadist agenda, bring it under the cameras and light, expose it for all to see. The people understand the threat islam poses. Most of us don’t want what they have in Michigan or SF, we have seen it and reject it. Make no mistake, the people listed above are the enemies of all freedom loving people the world over. Where are they going to hide when the stuff hits the fan?
The answer is they can’t, their names are known to 300 million Americans, their faces all over the TV screen. I see it as a modern day witch hunt only the witches (traitors) are real traitors to the constitution and a danger to all of us. Keep a list!
If I fly I always wear my big buckled leather belt, so I won’t be needing/requesting an extender. I am writing a letter to the appropriate agencies, letting them know that I know what they are up to. If it had been me that caused this I would have been arrested on the spot for disturbing the peace. What if anyone who encountered law enforcement told them, I am a muslim practicing my religion so get lost? Remember the LA riots, how’d they do on stopping those? Blacks are no where near the percentage of Whites in America. If we ever decided that the authorities were against us what do you think the outcome would be? It is one thing not to go out of your way to harass people, it is a felony or possibly treason to not do your job, the job that required you take an oath to get. I hope we all understand there are rats in the grain silo and it won’t be pretty taking care of the problem and some of the grain will be destroyed in the process.
This is a perfect example of… If your company caters to muslims get ready to have it ruined.
at November 28, 2006 5:59 PM
To all the kind and caring posters, I apologise for my outburst at Nariz. But not to him/her.
I like the America I grew up in and don't like seeing it taken away, a little at a time.
One thing I would like to point out to his argument about Christians who go back on their oaths. The real God gives us a choice to keep them or fail them.
Mo-worship doesn't give you a choice, you must do what is good for Islam. Follow the rules even if you don't like them. And it doesn't allow for allegiance to anything other than Islsm.
How many times does Robert have to tell us That American muslums say their first allegiance is to Islam? That is a huge deal. Would you want that person at your back in a serious fight?
I have been the victim of the little Jihad, it cost me a nice Chevy Silverado pickup truck. Just because I asked the question, 'who are the moderate muslems and why don't we ever see them?'
Posted by: auntbea at November 28, 2006 6:00 PM
I would recommend that the pilots secure themselves in the cockpit before anyone boards.
Thank you.
Posted by: Hillbilly
Good call! These pilots are derelict of their duty by acting so carelessly. To be honest, the MSM and our DhimmiTICIANS..[ I am NOT calling them DhimmicRATS. The Repubes are even more guilty because they are selling us out AGAINST BETTER KNOWLEDGE!!! ]
.. the MSM and the Dhimmiticians have lulled everyone back to sleep so as to please their Masters and Overlords.
Good thing to have Michael Savage on right NOW!!!!
Go Mr. Savage and GIVE 'EM HELLL!!!!!
You're the voice in the Wilderness!!!
at November 28, 2006 6:23 PM
The question for me is how far the appeasement will go.
Posted by: Karen
All the way to China and back.
at November 28, 2006 6:23 PM
@tgusa
Looks like Big Buckle Belts will be coming in Fashion! Till they ban them of course.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 28, 2006 6:25 PM
I can't wait for the next IMANS ACTING UP ON AIRLINER INCIDENT. We can have tag team wrestling against the Imans. That would be fun, and make the flight go by faster.
Posted by: juicealot at November 28, 2006 6:43 PM
I love Michael Savage.
Posted by: Karen at November 28, 2006 6:46 PM
"Muslims won't be happy until they have Call to Prayer towers in every town in the United States, on college campuses and even on military bases."
Meanwhile ringing church bells are imposing religion on people who live near the church.
Only in America.
Posted by: PMK at November 28, 2006 6:49 PM
Put me on the list of those who have never heard of a seatbelt extender. I'm really hoping this stunt is going to backfire on the imams once all the evidence comes out. I'm no legal eagle, and am not sure what branch of law enforcement has jurisdiction in this case - federal, state, or city - but I'm pretty sure what the imams did constitutes a terroristic threat, since it so closely mimicked the pattern of the 9-11 muslim suicide hijackers. The imams had to know it would be taken that way by the other passengers and the airline personnel. This is no mere civil disobedience; a line was crossed here. It was a criminal act. The proper authorities should bring criminal charges if the evidence shows the imams did this to provoke a response, and I believe the evidence will bear out the fact that this was exactly the case.
Posted by: leper at November 28, 2006 7:19 PM
The "praying imam" incident was staged to sabotage airline security and behavior profiling as well as to provide the impetus to get the legislation passed.
Posted by: Eleanor at November 28, 2006 8:49 PM
memo to Nariz: America is a free country. We can choose to be what WE want to be and that includes being a "redneck."
There is nothing with being a redneck if that is what one wishes.
Americans have no obligation at all to please YOU.
Yes, you can criticize here. But remember that no one is obligated to listen or (God forbid) abide by your criticisms.
If that is a problem for you, we have a suggestion: move back to the Third World cesspool you more than likely crawled out of. We'll even pack your bags for you!! How would you like that?
Posted by: pythagoras at November 28, 2006 9:09 PM
I just watche 4 of the Imams interviewd on CNN and guess what, they deny all of the accusations. and they also dodged the question of whether they can understand why people would be spooked. they can do no wrong. i don't think there has been a bigger group of victims in History.
Oh the terrible things we are doing to them at Airports, unlike the wonderful things they do, such as hijacking planes.
Posted by: DUGGY at November 28, 2006 9:26 PM
NARIZ: I think Mr. Prager sums up the swearing-in of Ellison quite well, although I'm sure you won't agree. Pay particular attention to the last paragraph, if you can grasp the point he's trying to make. Have I reminded you lately that you are a narrow-minded, Marxist jerk?
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/11/America, Not Keith Ellison, decides what book a congressman takes his oath on
By Dennis Prager
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran.
He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization.
First, it is an act of hubris that perfectly exemplifies multiculturalist activism -- my culture trumps America's culture. What Ellison and his Muslim and leftist supporters are saying is that it is of no consequence what America holds as its holiest book; all that matters is what any individual holds to be his holiest book.
Forgive me, but America should not give a hoot what Keith Ellison's favorite book is. Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress. In your personal life, we will fight for your right to prefer any other book. We will even fight for your right to publish cartoons mocking our Bible. But, Mr. Ellison, America, not you, decides on what book its public servants take their oath.
Devotees of multiculturalism and political correctness who do not see how damaging to the fabric of American civilization it is to allow Ellison to choose his own book need only imagine a racist elected to Congress. Would they allow him to choose Hitler's "Mein Kampf," the Nazis' bible, for his oath? And if not, why not? On what grounds will those defending Ellison's right to choose his favorite book deny that same right to a racist who is elected to public office?
Of course, Ellison's defenders argue that Ellison is merely being honest; since he believes in the Koran and not in the Bible, he should be allowed, even encouraged, to put his hand on the book he believes in. But for all of American history, Jews elected to public office have taken their oath on the Bible, even though they do not believe in the New Testament, and the many secular elected officials have not believed in the Old Testament either. Yet those secular officials did not demand to take their oaths of office on, say, the collected works of Voltaire or on a volume of New York Times editorials, writings far more significant to some liberal members of Congress than the Bible. Nor has one Mormon official demanded to put his hand on the Book of Mormon. And it is hard to imagine a scientologist being allowed to take his oath of office on a copy of "Dianetics" by L. Ron Hubbard.
So why are we allowing Keith Ellison to do what no other member of Congress has ever done -- choose his own most revered book for his oath?
The answer is obvious -- Ellison is a Muslim. And whoever decides these matters, not to mention virtually every editorial page in America, is not going to offend a Muslim. In fact, many of these people argue it will be a good thing because Muslims around the world will see what an open society America is and how much Americans honor Muslims and the Koran.
This argument appeals to all those who believe that one of the greatest goals of America is to be loved by the world, and especially by Muslims because then fewer Muslims will hate us (and therefore fewer will bomb us).
But these naive people do not appreciate that America will not change the attitude of a single American-hating Muslim by allowing Ellison to substitute the Koran for the Bible. In fact, the opposite is more likely: Ellison's doing so will embolden Islamic extremists and make new ones, as Islamists, rightly or wrongly, see the first sign of the realization of their greatest goal -- the Islamicization of America.
When all elected officials take their oaths of office with their hands on the very same book, they all affirm that some unifying value system underlies American civilization. If Keith Ellison is allowed to change that, he will be doing more damage to the unity of America and to the value system that has formed this country than the terrorists of 9-11. It is hard to believe that this is the legacy most Muslim Americans want to bequeath to America. But if it is, it is not only Europe that is in trouble.
at November 28, 2006 10:46 PM
If im on a plane, and six imams try to pull this crap, id take the law into my own hands.
Its better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six.
ALL Muslims (even the moderates) need to get out of the U.S.A.
If there is an other 9-11 or Washington D.C. gets nuked, there will be no mercy shown. It will be a sad day, but the day when America finally awakens, and there will be nothing the ACLU, or CAIR, or anyone else could do to stop it.
at November 28, 2006 10:51 PM
This is the sort of thing that needs to be on the front pages of every paper in the country.
And yet...
Posted by: Mo at November 28, 2006 11:02 PM
Nariz:
gag me with a 9/11 spoon
I saw islam in all its truth on 9/11
did you cheer ? - - - come on -- just a little bit ?
get ready
Posted by: Crunchy Jello at November 28, 2006 11:41 PM
A simple question: what the fuck is an 'imam', exactly?
Posted by: george_rem at November 29, 2006 12:07 AM
We've become pussies, terrorized in our own countries by a of impertinent foreign assholes. It is beyond pathetic that instead of tarring and feathering these criminals and running them out of the country we're reduced to bitching and moaning on the web.
Posted by: george_rem at November 29, 2006 1:27 AM
George rem
An imam is the guy who exhorts muslims from the pulpit to kill. After a particularly vehement exhortation, the attending believers can usually be heard leaving the mosque saying things like," wasn't that a great sermon today by imam."
Posted by: pismopal at November 29, 2006 5:49 AM
The imams said they were not discussing politics and only spoke in English, but witnesses told law enforcement that the men spoke in Arabic and English, criticizing the war in Iraq and President Bush, and talking about al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20061128-122902-7522r_page2.htm
Posted by: Arnie at November 29, 2006 7:38 AM
Duggy, we are that PC. IMO, this was a set up. It's going to court and I bet they will win. Therefore next time a terrorist boards a plane, he will be disguised as a Imman, not searched and not stopped. Ever wonder why on "24" the villain is a blond German? The producers are 60+ years in the past when the enemy was not coddled. Heaven forbid we should hurt the feelings of "the religion of peace."
Posted by: eneri at November 29, 2006 7:44 AM
Hello everyone,
Why do we spend all this time on these sets of idiots called muslim imams.
These are people who believe that they can terrorise everyone because they are muslims. I dont even know much about america but I can say that the action was intentional so as to create an uproar. For your information I am black (black as coal) and if it is profiling that is going to keep me safe so be it. I dont care, dont mind that idiot that said he is black and muslim and he's being profiled.
Ask him if he knows his origin (africa) he will know that profiling is a normal thing with the vast amount of tribes and languages. People always believe that they are better it also applies to black so please help me tell that idiot who claim to be black, muslim and idiot and being profiled to keep shut.
God bless America, Israel and all other countries that believe in freedom!
Dase.
at November 29, 2006 12:04 PM
Thank you Dase.
Posted by: squire at November 29, 2006 12:08 PM
O.T.
Dase, off topic, but might be useful to answer your question.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/BlackandProud.htm
"The Qur’an itself – the very words of Muhammad – and the Hadiths refers to Black people as “Raisin-heads” (Bukhari: V9B89N256) “collectables,” and “men of no descent” (Ishaq: 405). Muslims are told that Africans “annoy the Prophet” (Ishaq 243) have hearts “grosser than a donkey” (Surah 9:61) should be left to die if injured, and should be denied intercession and entrance to heaven (Bukhari: V4B52N137). The Qur’an goes into detail concerning the appearance of Africans that are not merely unflattering, but understandably appalling.
Africa and African-Americans owe absolutely nothing to Islam, because it has done nothing good for them. It inspires slavery, but not abolition. It may not be the “White man’s religion,” but that certainly doesn’t make it the Black man’s. "
Posted by: squire at November 29, 2006 12:38 PM
Thanks Squire,
I really appreciate your effort and i commend you greatly for refering me to the webisite. It was more than informative. Unfortunately, you dont know much about me, I will recommend that you search my name on this website to know the kind of person I am, that will give you a more picture of my perspective of islam.
Concerning your assertion that I was off topic, I was just trying to make a point out of what the guy said about being black and being profiled. I wish to inform you that there is nothing new in being profiled that is just my point as long as it's done for the safety of everyone.
Please note squire, I am well vast in the muslim religion, I have live more than 3 decades in a muslim community so there is nothing new a muslim can use to convince me that the religion is not full of terror or does not support terrorism.
Thanks,
Dase.
at November 29, 2006 1:09 PM
"Guys take a deep breath, slow down and use some common sense...just because a person is a muslim does not make them an enemy of the U.S. especially when (like Ellison) his cultural roots are Christian American..."
--from above
Bad Company?
November 28, 2006 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - On November 18th the North American Imam Federation held their "Fourth Annual Body Meeting" with the theme, "Towards Improving Imams Professionalism and Community Outreach."
On hand to help the Imams with advice was Muslim convert Keith Ellison, the newly elected
Congressman from Minnesota [who first official action was to snub President Bush's invitation to attend a dinner dedicated to getting acquainted with new congressmen] who spoke on the subject of "Imams and Politics."
The conference contained a dominating presence of hard-core Islamist radicals with Siraj Wahhaj - unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 plot to bomb New York Landmarks and "character witness" for the first WTC convicted bomber, the Blind Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman - and Ashrafuzman Khan who is alleged to have run death squads in the Bangladesh war, in attendance.
Of particular note and also present at this event was Imam Dr. Omar Shahin - who has been linked to fund raising activities for al-Qaeda and Hamas but is best known as the ringleader of a group of six Imams who were forcibly removed recently from a U.S. Airways flight at the St. Paul
International Airport in Minnesota for creating a disturbance which involved making anti-American
statements, loud praying and shouting "Allah" while boarding the plane.
Once on board they refused to take their assigned seats and in general acted as if they were casing the airliner for security breaches.
Ashrafuzzam Khan the former VP of ICNA who was accused of murdering at least 7 teachers in Bangladesh was also present at the Imam conference where Ellison spoke.
"....During (Zulfiqar Ali) Shah's period of leading the ICNA, Ashrafuzzman Khan was its Vice President - as well as s the head of the ICNA local chapter in Queens New York.
To many immigrants, however, Khan was better known as the mad-dog leader of a death squad active in the Bangladesh war.
On 24th September 1997, a criminal complaint [case no. 115/1997 Ramana Thana] was filed against Asrafuzzaman Khan, as a result of war crimes allegedly committed by him during the Bangladesh Liberation War.
It is alleged that Khan personally murdered at least 7 intellectuals during that war, that he was a member of the much feared Al-Badr terror squads.
Professor Giasuddin Ahmed was killed as a result of the death squad activity. His sister, Mrs. Farida Banu, filed the case in Bangladesh.
Omar Shahin, 40, is the Imam and director of the Islamic Center of Tucson, located at 901 E. First St., next to the UA. He's lived in Tucson for three years. A native of Jordan, he also serves as the president of the UA's University Religious Council.
A Google of Imam Omar Shahin reveals that he is the Imam of a mosque whose former director Wael Hamza Julaidan the logistics director of Bin Laden.
Shahin's funding for Al Qaeda and Hamas also entailed being the representative of Kind Hearts - a 'charity' which was closed down recently by the United States government for ties to terrorism funding.
KindHearts' Representaive, Omar Shahin was an Imam for the Islamic Center of Tucson (ICT), the former home of numerous terror operatives, including Wael Jelaidan, who later helped found Al-Qaeda. The center was founded in 1971 by students at the University of Arizona. Its new $1.5-million mosque was funded in part by the Saudi government, said Omar Shahin, the center's imam, or spiritual leader. Jalaidan was president of the Tucson center from 1984-85, state incorporation records show.
"As far as I remember, he never mentioned Osama bin Laden,"said Rehmatullah Mir, who served on the center's board with Jalaidan and remains an officer. Some other people who would later become Bin Laden's key lieutenants also spent time at the Islamic Center in the 1980s. Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary, was a member of the center when he lived in Arizona in the 1980s. Mir said he could "barely recall" El-Hage. Two weeks ago, a federal judge in New York sentenced El-Hage to life in prison for helping plan the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. Shahin said that members of the mosque raised money for Bin Laden in the 1980s when Bin Laden was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, a cause supported by the U.S. "Our government, America, used to support Bin Laden," Shahin said. "Osama bin Laden was made in America. Our government was sponsoring and supporting him. We are following our government."
He said the Tucson center has hosted conferences for the Islamic Assn. for Palestine, another group now under Treasury scrutiny. The center has also raised money f
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