Jihad Watch: Erdogan: Pope says Islam "peaceful and affectionate"

November 28, 2006

Erdogan: Pope says Islam "peaceful and affectionate"

Yes, well, what else could he say after all the affection and warmth the Muslims in Turkey have shown him?

"Pope defuses tensions on visit to Muslim Turkey," by Philip Pullella and Selcuk Gokoluk for Reuters:

ANKARA (Reuters) - Pope Benedict told Turkey on Tuesday he backed its bid to join the European Union and believed Islam was a religion of peace, hoping to soothe rows overshadowing a delicate visit to the mainly Muslim country.
Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan hailed the comments, which he said Benedict made to him in their private talk at the airport, and Turkish commentators said they changed the tone of a visit clouded by disputes over the Pope's view of Islam.

Asked about Turkey's EU entry bid, which Benedict opposed before his 2005 election as Pope, spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the Vatican took no political stand but supported Turkey's entry "on the basis of common values and principles."

And what are those common values and principles, exactly?

Security was heavy but protests rare under Ankara's sunny skies as Benedict arrived, laid a wreath at the mausoleum of the republic's founder Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and met Turkey's president and director of religious affairs.
Erdogan, who had originally said he was too busy to meet the Pope, greeted Benedict warmly as he descended from his airplane and held short talks with him before leaving for the NATO summit in Riga.

"He said we are not political but we wish for Turkey to join the EU," Erdogan told journalists after meeting the Pope.

Erdogan, who began his career in Islamic politics, added: "The most important message the Pope gave was toward Islam, he reiterated his view of Islam as peaceful and affectionate."

Yes. Cuddly, even. No Salman-Rushdieism here about Islam being the "least huggable of faiths." The intellectual acrobatics required for this aren't really all that difficult. Just decide a priori that all those committing violence in the name of Islam aren't really Muslims. Then all that are left are the poor victims of "Islamophobia."

Posted by Robert at November 28, 2006 4:14 PM
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Maybe this thief erdogan is applying for a job as speaker for the Vatican?

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 4:24 PM

well pope is trying to kill them with kindness, l know a better way.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess

at November 28, 2006 4:26 PM

Then all that are left are the poor victims of "Islamophobia."

Aaaarrrgghhh!!! I am going to BARF!!! Make room for me on Oprah's couch! I need a pill from Dr. Phil.

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 4:27 PM

so when Turkey joins the EU will they admit to all the killings and massacres done by their overwhelmingly muslim populance aganst the Christians?

QUOTE FROM NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE (link to whole article below):

"Turkey, Armenia and Denial
Published: May 16, 2006

Turkey's self-destructive obsession with denying the Armenian genocide seems to have no limits. The Turks pulled out of a NATO exercise this week because the Canadian prime minister used the term "genocide" in reference to the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey during and after World War I. Before that, the Turkish ambassador to France was temporarily recalled to protest a French bill that would make it illegal to deny that the Armenian genocide occurred. And before that, a leading Turkish novelist, Orhan Pamuk, was charged with "insulting Turkish identity" for referring to the genocide (the charges were dropped after an international outcry).

Turkey's stance is hard to fathom. Each time the Turks lash out, new questions arise about Turkey's claim to a place in the European Union, and the Armenian diaspora becomes even more adamant in demanding a public reckoning over what happened"

quote from "THE NEW YORK TIMES" full article may 16 2006:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/16/opinion/16tue3.html?ex=1305432000&en=cfccaddb1b9957a1&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

at November 28, 2006 4:31 PM

STILLFEDUP

"I smell a good taqquia from the pope."

God I hope so!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

at November 28, 2006 4:32 PM

Who says the pope doesn't have a sense of humour?

Posted by: Timbo

at November 28, 2006 4:33 PM

The Pope also made special mention of Islam's "benevolence."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=a0JBn4r4zXQQ&refer=europe

Laying it on a bit thick, don't you think?

Posted by: scaramouoche

at November 28, 2006 4:34 PM

I don't trust Ergodan to quote the pope accurately. I believe it was more likely that "most muslims are people of peace", or "there are many good, and peaceful, elements shared by Islam and christianity" and "I have a great affection for the people of islam", all of which I would concur with, and all of which Benedict has said in the past.

Let's allow Benedict to speak for himself; I'm not prepared to write him off as a dhimmi, or as a dummy, quite yet.

I note that the signup forms for (the 40,000) suicide bombers in Iran have 3 checkoff boxes:

[ ] I wish to blow up myself with some Americans
[ ] I wish to blow up myself with some Israelis
[ ] I wish to blow up myself with Salman Rusdhie

(loose translation from the Farsi) See:
http://www.meforum.org/article/1059

I don't think they are planning to add a line for the pope soon -- although maybe the Turkish forms will.

Posted by: Archimedes2

at November 28, 2006 4:35 PM

Either Erdogan is lying or the pope has lost his marbles, which one is it?

Either the pope speaks truth to power or he has no credibility.

A majority in Europe doesn't want Turkey in the EU, majorities in ALL European countries want Mohammedan infil-traitors OUT, and if the EU-beaurocrates in Strassbourg & Brussels insist on shoving ever more multi-culturalism down everyone's throat the whole construct or 'Europe' will go down the tube...

Turkey is not a western country. The increasing re-Islamisation of Turkey is obvious, and as such Turkey can only be seen as a bridgehead for a massive Islamic invasion of western Europe.
It will not happen. God forbid, it will not happen. The People will decide and a lot of their worthless 'leaders' will be disgraced as wimps and traitors, but this situation is intolerable and must be reversed.

Posted by: sheik yer'mami

at November 28, 2006 4:35 PM

The Pope is exercising political correctness, he isn't telling the Truth. I'm THIS close to calling the Pope a liar.

Posted by: champ

at November 28, 2006 4:37 PM

Not just affectionate and cuddly, but cute as a button too.

Posted by: pastorius

at November 28, 2006 4:39 PM

"If the Pope is for it, we must be against it."
Europe's PC left...

Could it be reverse psycology or am I indulging in wishful thinking? Is the pope pulling the old 'get them to contradict me' on the PC crowd?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses

at November 28, 2006 4:40 PM

Islam uses the facade of being "peaceful and affectionate", but underneath they are ravenous wolves.

Posted by: champ

at November 28, 2006 4:42 PM

Re: Erdogan: Pope says Islam "peaceful and affectionate"

The Pope is being polite. It's hard for a person in the Pope's position to be blunt in public re what he really thinks. I hope he was polite but direct re his real thoughts in private talks.

This "religion" mandates violence as per the alleged dictations to Mohammad. This reality has to be confronted. Muslims have to stop blaming unbelievers for pointing out that there are numerous Muslims killing Kafirs in the name of their belief-system. Muslims have to direct their ire at the source of the problem and not at the bearers of the bad news about who is killing Kafirs in the name of their belief-system.

Posted by: Frank

at November 28, 2006 4:42 PM

rmenian Genocide Survivor Sam Kadorian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfC0thL5lUc

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Hagop Assadourian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3JYUYnsqE&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor: Richard Parseghian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ijIaMWwtk&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide (1915) Survivor --Alice Muggerditchian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHiaiqowsQg&mode=related&search=

Armenian Genocide Survivor Vartan Hartunian 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNYiNbRZBDk&mode=related&search=

mass taking of christian boys and girls:

Armenian Genocide Survivor - Kevork Balian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdnHOSs0XNA

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

at November 28, 2006 4:45 PM

Someone please tell me what has happened to the idea of speaking the truth in this day and age. I'm a Roman Catholic who was proud of the Pontiff's earlier comments about Islam. They were truthful and hard-hitting. He spoke the truth last year in that interview with Fr. Fessio, stating that the Qur'an, being a "divine dictation", cannot be subjected to the modern tools of critical examination and reinterpretation. And his speech at Regensburg was not primarily about Islam anyway, but the point was made that earlier figures in history noted that Islam rested on the jihad.

I would not have gone to Turkey. You know that in going to Turkey he was going to be more or less compelled to make some kind of concilliatory statement that whitewashed the problem.

I'm very disappointed with the Pope.

Posted by: FredIsinglass

at November 28, 2006 4:54 PM

Hey guys and Robert,

Off topic alert: Check this out: http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/

It seems Robert has stepped someone's toes and they are responding in true Islamic fashion: with threats, quotations and rubbish.

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 4:56 PM

USBEAST

Email that link to Robert --Im sure he has spotted it on this thread but he is probably quite busy --please email it using the 'CONTACT US' on the left side colum of the main homepage

-------------

EVERYBODY READ WHAT THE WICKED AND CURSED MUSLIMS ARE SAYING ABOUT JIHADWATCH ON THAT LINK!!!

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

at November 28, 2006 5:01 PM

FredIsinglass asked:

"Someone please tell me what has happened to the idea of speaking the truth in this day and age."

Fear. Fear has replaced truth: fear of reprisals from Muslims -- fear of being labeled a hater, warmonger or racist. Fear of death by car bombing or being stabbed on our own doorstep by a martyr or having our family members kidnapped and tortured or beheaded.

Fear, the "great mind-killer", the "only thing we have to fear" itself, has taken over and replaced the need for truth.

And all over the media and in every country on the Earth you will have the fearful create stories to cover their own fear, for even greater fear that they might be outed as liars and that the fear of Muslims might truly be seen to be the cause.

Some of us do not cave in to fear. That is the way of history.

I'm cautious, perhaps even paranoid, but I definitely do not fear these monsters who seek to strip us of hope, vanish our history and culture and impose a way of life upon us that no person of enlightened reason in this day and age should have to suffer.

I must say that I am also disappointed that the Pope has not seen fit to keep his mouth closed if he could not dare to critique openly -- the last thing this world needs is another example of Dhimmitude from our greatest leaders. Let us hope he tempers his remarks when he gets back to the relative safety of his chambers in the Vatican.

Posted by: Foehammer

at November 28, 2006 5:02 PM

i thought the pope did not want Turkey joining the EU ?

Posted by: Greek Gurl

at November 28, 2006 5:03 PM

Folks, I think the Pope is saying what he is saying so as to fool the Turks/Muslims. Got to remember that he is in the den of the lions and to say what he said back in September would have put his life in danger bigtime. Simply put, this does not suprise me at all.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

at November 28, 2006 5:03 PM

Erdogan: Pope says Islam "peaceful and affectionate"

The Pope knows the muslim way.

He also uses "turnspeak"

I hope

Posted by: Dsinc

at November 28, 2006 5:06 PM

USBEAST

I hope you dont mind I cut/pasted your post and added it to a few other threads so other users can all link and read what that evil little muslim scumbag is writing about jihadwatch and Robert:

http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN

at November 28, 2006 5:08 PM

Also the Pope is warning the Turks?Muslims that they must reject violence in the name of faith and too challenge them to accept both faith and reason.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

at November 28, 2006 5:10 PM

Opps, should have typed "Turks/Muslims".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

at November 28, 2006 5:11 PM

this muslim link aslo talks about robert and jihadwatch http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2005/8/5/robert-spencer-and-michael-graham-heroes-of-free-speech.html

Posted by: Greek Gurl

at November 28, 2006 5:12 PM

"I hope you dont mind I cut/pasted your post and added it to a few other threads so other users can all link and read what that evil little muslim scumbag is writing about jihadwatch and Robert"

Mind, ASW? Hell, I damned near pay you to do it!

I noted that there are no comments to that nutcase's rantings. Should we ignore him or lob a barrage in his direction?

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 5:14 PM

What a revolting development this is!

Posted by: Pelayo

at November 28, 2006 5:17 PM

If it goes as far as Benedict 16 kissing the quran, I will seriously consider converting to Orthodox Christianity, or perhaps Mel Gibson's old school Catholicism.

Posted by: EliasAlucard

at November 28, 2006 5:20 PM

I went to that link to check it out and read about six or seven paragraphs. Couldn't take any more and did not need to, since it contains copious injunctions to force us to submit to Allah or be killed.

If more Americans could read or hear what Muslims really say and think about us, not their sanitized and innocuous drivel for the government's digestion (hello CAIR), they would be as alarmed as we are at JihadWatch.org. And their Leftist apologists would be fully exposed for the frauds that they are.

Posted by: FredIsinglass

at November 28, 2006 5:22 PM

One assumes that Erdogan has creatively interpreted all sorts of conditionals and dependent clauses so as to make the Pope say what he, Erdogan, wants him to say. This happens all the time with Muslims, claiming that so-and-so promised this, did that. Perhaps the most famous example is that of Henry McMahon, whom the Arabs insisted had "promised" them something in "Palestine" that 1) he had no authority to promise in the first place and 2) finally getting sick of the Arab lies, he wrote a letter to the London Times in July 1937 making it clear that the Arabs were lying, that he had never promised what they insisted he had promised, and set the whole thing out for the world to see.

More on the Husain-McMahon Correspondence, and all that followed, can be found in Elie Kedourie, "Islam in the Modern World."

As for what the Pope said, he no doubt suggested that IF Turkey did such and such (which Turkey cannot do) THEN he might, could, sort of, support Turkey's admission to the EU. That surely is what he said, and not more.

But in any case, it doesn't matter. We all know the sequence of events. We all know what the Pope has set down, not in the Regensburg Speech, but in many other previous writings, including his important and revealing dialogues with Italian Senator Pera, in "Senza Radici." That's what counts.

And in the end, what counts is what Europeans must do no matter what any religious leader, or any political figure, from the deplorable (all those involved now or in the past with running the E.U. such as Javier Solana and Chris Patten and Miguel Moratinos and Romano Prodi and all those who have been directly or indirectly bought off by Arab interests, such as Jacques Chirac) to the so-so (which includes a number of present-day leaders) to the downright heroic (such as Ramsussen in Denmark).

Posted by: Hugh

at November 28, 2006 5:23 PM

"What a revolting development this is!"

What do you expect from a cleric who wants to go on living "The Life of Reilly".

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 5:25 PM

OT quote from http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/ --

"Some of you seem to have a misunderstanding regarding my intentions. I did not preach that we must slaughter every single non-Muslim for the purpose of them being non-Muslim. Rather, I have been repeatedly stating that we, as Muslims, are obligated to hate you for the sake of Allah because the fact is that you are non-Muslim; and if you can’t take it, then Alhamdullilah because one day, in the West, it will become extremely clear to the majority of who belongs to the Truth and who belongs to Falsehood. We will continue preaching the Truth until you feel like killing every single Muslim; and this has already started by the ones you worship the most: The Government. In fact, you worship your government more than you worship your own god – that is if you are a follower of a Religion. And only the people of understanding will know the truth in this."

----

I have to say, I only wish more Muslims were as honest as this one. It would make my objective so much easier to attain. See how arrogant they are becoming -- how prideful and delusional.

The writer talks much about knowing history, especially asking Americans to understand what happens to "enemies of Allah", but now let me take one moment to remark -- look to history books and take note of what happens to enemies of the United States of America. Do not be so foolish to think that Vietnam or the Gulf conflicts were even examples of the wrath of the people of the U.S.A. Look at the Revolution, the Civil War and World War II if you want to see what will be the outcome of this coming tide of battle.

Muslims know that they can not defeat us, they must kill us or convert us. And that is the ugliest truth of all -- the one they don't want to discuss. They will either poison our food and water or poison our minds, but their means of victory are quite obvious to students of history, because the United States can never be defeated by conventional means.

This is why Iran must not be allowed to persist in its schemes to get nuclear weapons and proliferate these means to Islamic terrorists.

This is why Islam must be outlawed.

Read that blog. http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/ You'll get quite an education. It fuels my blood like fire.

Posted by: Foehammer

at November 28, 2006 5:25 PM

So is it a case of "Only Nixon can go to China"?
Still, lets not be dishonest at the expesne of being diplomatioc.

When I read this,

"The so-called conviction that the sword is used to expand Islam in the world and growing Islamophobia hurts all Muslims," Bardakoglu said.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/28/D8LM9D281.html

I had to laugh. How can any adult muslim expect a comment like that to be taken seriously after behavior like the cartoon riots and election results theoughout the middle east?

Posted by: GreatShaitan

at November 28, 2006 5:32 PM

So is it a case of "Only Nixon can go to China"?
Still, lets not be dishonest at the expesne of being diplomatioc.

When I read this,

"The so-called conviction that the sword is used to expand Islam in the world and growing Islamophobia hurts all Muslims," Bardakoglu said.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/28/D8LM9D281.html

I had to laugh. How can any adult muslim expect a comment like that to be taken seriously after behavior like the cartoon riots and election results theoughout the middle east?

Posted by: GreatShaitan

at November 28, 2006 5:32 PM

The Vicar of Christ wants to open the gates of Europe to the Muslim hordes?

I certainly hope this is a misquote, otherwise Benedict is completely unfit to hold that office.

Posted by: treehugger

at November 28, 2006 5:33 PM

The pope has forgotten his own flock. He has forgotten the millions of christians that have been murdered and enslaved by Turkey. He is a sad dhimini. Whoever called this pope the bulldog of the vatican is full of s...

Posted by: callmeinfidel

at November 28, 2006 5:35 PM

Has the Pope been Dhimmi-fied?

Posted by: champ

at November 28, 2006 5:40 PM

"What a revolting development this is!"

What do you expect from a cleric who wants to go on living "The Life of Reilly".

Posted by: USBeast

What do you expect from a cleric who wants to go on living, period.

I agree (or I hope anyway) with Hugh's reading:
"As for what the Pope said, he no doubt suggested that IF Turkey did such and such (which Turkey cannot do) THEN he might, could, sort of, support Turkey's admission to the EU. That surely is what he said, and not more."

He also needs to consider the pitifully small minority of Christians in that country that would suffer any fallout from his remarks after the world's TV cameras are no longer pointed at them.

Posted by: freedomschool

at November 28, 2006 5:41 PM

This is what jihadist all over the world wanted, this is the apology, this is the retraction of his earlier statement.CAn you guess who won?
Of course, not the moderate muslims, some of whom were courageous enough to denounce violent demonstrations without agreeing or disagreeing with the Pope. But all the jihadists, they have one more reason to believe that violent intimidation works. Those who were gathering courage to ask similar questions would be discouraged and disheartened. Violent Islam won ones again.

Posted by: pagan

at November 28, 2006 5:43 PM

well i don't know what to think maybe the pope doest want to say anything negative about islam because if he does then christians in middle eastern countrys will be killed and churches bombed thats what happened after he made that comment about mohammed maybe he doesnt want to put christians in danger.

but what really disapointed me about the pope's visit in turkey was when i saw him visiting the monument of Ataturk and the news speaker was saying ataturk was the founder of modern day secular Turkey yes Attaturk was so Secular he killed nearly all the christians in Turkey and now its 99% muslim how could the pope even go there

Posted by: Greek Gurl

at November 28, 2006 5:44 PM

I'm hoping he's saying these things for reasons of safety. Naturally, it would be unwise to say anything negative being where he is at the moment. Still, all these fine words from the Pope won't be enough for the more fanatical "peaceful ones".

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

at November 28, 2006 5:44 PM

The Pope is exercising political correctness, he isn't telling the Truth. I'm THIS close to calling the Pope a liar.

Well "champ", interesting to see how quickly you crown yourself ultimate judge of the truthfullness of Pope Bendict XVI and his actions. Kind of quick to "threaten" condemnation. But that seems par for the course for so many looking for any reason to criticise the Pope...

Take some time to hear out what he said so far. Through his speeches he is making muslims acknowledge Christian values and thus pointing out the hypocrisy. He has already spoken up for the Christian community in Turkey and this is only day 1.

On a side note, the original intention of this trip had nothing to do with islam but to bridge the gap between the Orthodox and Catholic.

Posted by: adobe

at November 28, 2006 5:45 PM

I just left this comment at:http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/

"You're funny, completely full of shit, but funny."

I wonder how long it will stay up.

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 5:45 PM

Here's a message for the Pope:

Hate Speech

I hate blind obedience;
I hate slavery;
I hate brutality towards women;
I hate executions;
I hate beheadings;
I hate terrorism;
I hate attacks on free speech;
I hate being told what I can and can't think;
I hate the persecution of non-believers;
I hate the poisonous notions of heaven and hell;
And I hate the religion that espouses all these things!

Posted by: Malta_1565

at November 28, 2006 5:47 PM

I'm amazed how so many can make excuses for his backtracking, if anyone had done same he'd be railed as a Dhimmi.

Posted by: bondservant

at November 28, 2006 5:47 PM

"I'm hoping he's saying these things for reasons of safety. Naturally, it would be unwise to say anything negative being where he is at the moment. Still, all these fine words from the Pope won't be enough for the more fanatical "peaceful ones"."

John Paulski would have cut his own throat before issuing such a kiss-ass statement.

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 5:50 PM

Inshallahshaheed's message is an interesting one. He is a true muslim. You know the kind that is so peaceful and merciful. Anyone can give lip service and pray on their knees five times a day. Repetitious words are often empty words. God knows who is real and who is phoney.

Posted by: callmeinfidel

at November 28, 2006 5:57 PM

bondservant,
I agree. The pope should have never said anything to begin with. It's hard to go out on a limb and tell the truth--an now have second thoughts about it and flip flop around with excuses and apologies. It makes him look totally weak. As a Christian, he is obligated to speak the truth. This is NOT our Churchill. Disappointing.

Posted by: SpongeMom

at November 28, 2006 6:07 PM

adobe said

"On a side note, the original intention of this trip had nothing to do with islam but to bridge the gap between the Orthodox and Catholic."

well abode if thats the case then he isnt doing a vrey good job of it so far as he was paying tribute to the monument of atatturk who happens to be a murderer of 2 million orthodox christians

Posted by: Greek Gurl

at November 28, 2006 6:11 PM

Surprised that the Pope supports Turkish entry to the EU. Or is that a mistaken impression the media has put out?

Posted by: traeh

at November 28, 2006 6:18 PM

As for this website, please provide proof that I have actually recruited people. It is only from your evil desires that you wish to propagate that which will hurt the Muslims; and I pray to Allah that he breaks your hands and poisons your tongue so that you may never propagate your lies again. And if it doesn’t happen in this life, then only by the will of Allah, I will be the one laughing at you from Paradise – enjoying its eternal pleasures - while your body is dragged through spikes that pierce deep within your body, and you are only given to drink foul smelling pus and boiling water – which only makes you vomit and burn your insides - and eat extremely sour and thorny fruits – where if it to be dropped in one of the oceans of this earth, all of the oceans and even the lands of the earth would be destroyed.

Indeed, our Religion of Islam is a Religion of Submission to Allah. From this submission to Allah comes Iman (faith) in the heart of the believing men and believing women; and from this Iman comes peace. From thereon, we wish to spread this peace around the entire globe by establishing Islam in its concrete form as a system (i.e., Islamic Caliphate). Perhaps the following authentic tradition (hadith) will make this point clear to all of you:

_____________

From the linked posted.

Man... I can feel the love. What a wonderful vision of Muslim Brotherhood and forgiveness. Someone should send this to the Pope in Turkey.

Posted by: Monkeywho

at November 28, 2006 6:19 PM

"On a side note, the original intention of this trip had nothing to do with Islam but to bridge the gap between the Orthodox and Catholic."

Adobe I truly think that was and is the main reason for this visit also. That is a very important gap to fill if we truly are to fight as a united front against this enemy.

However, I haven't seen any transcripts or video of any speeches the Pope made so far. I only hope he didn't say he endorses Turkey's entry into the EU. We all know what that would mean for Europe.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic

at November 28, 2006 6:26 PM

from the Vatican website:

[...]

"In a pluralistic age like our own, the manifold riches of the various religious traditions, past and present, found in the land of Turkey bear witness to the fact that pluralism in liturgical and spiritual expressions, and unity of faith in Christ the Lord, can be combined harmoniously. The Holy Father has rightly spoken of dialogue as a “polyphony of cultures”.

This principle is true for the various Christian confessions, but it is also applicable to the dialogue between Christians and the followers of Islam. Shadows from the past cannot obscure the light radiating from the daily “dialogue of life”, the “dialogue of charity” and the “dialogue of religious experiences” which has marked relations here between Christians and Muslims.

The journey of Pope Benedict XVI to Turkey is a part of this history, and must be understood in the light of that history. It is a pastoral journey, an ecumenical journey and a journey of dialogue with the Islamic world."

[...]

Posted by: Malinois

at November 28, 2006 6:36 PM

Nope. Benedict isn't likely to have said these things. I won't believe it without direct quotes.

Posted by: InfidelWench

at November 28, 2006 6:53 PM

If he said this, he's out of his mind! If he said this, I will never put any faith towards another Catholic Pope again. I am a Greek Orthodox follower and was pleased to hear of his visit to Turkey, but if these are the things he really said, he can go back to Rome and stay there.

How can any sane man come to that conclusion about the Turks. The atrocities are too many to list, Greeks, Armenians, Serbs, Romanians, even fellow Muslim Kurds have all felt the wrath of the Turks. 99% MUSLIM SECULAR TURKEY, how is that possible if these things he supposedly said are to be true?

This would be too much for me to see again after watching Pope John Paul II kiss the Quran. I really thought this guy was brought in because he was John Paul's Rottweiler. Let's hope the Rottweiler isn't a Chihuahua in disguise.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic

at November 28, 2006 7:06 PM

John Paulski would have cut his own throat before issuing such a kiss-ass statement.

Posted by: USBeast

Are you talking about John Paul who KISSED the koran??!!!

See for yourself:

http://www.repentamerica.com/statement001.html

Ps: I am linking to a kooky website but this one loads the picture the fastest.

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 7:09 PM

"Nov. 28 (CWNews.com) - The Holy See does not oppose Turkey's bid for membership in the European Union, the director of the Vatican press office assured reporters during a November 27 interview.
Speaking to Turkish journalists just prior to the Pope's trip to that country, Father Federico Lombardi said that Turkey's application for EU membership is a political question, on which the Vatican would not comment. He reminded the reporters that the Holy See itself is not a member of the European Union, although the Vatican does participate in various European agreements on questions such as trade, judicial cooperation, and the circulation of currency."

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=47885
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"We believe and confess in one God, even if in different ways,'' Benedict said in an address today to Turkish religious affairs chief Ali Bardakoglu, one of the first Muslim leaders to criticize the speech in September. "This noble land has seen the blossoming of the Islamic civilization in the most diverse of areas, including literature and art.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=a0JBn4r4zXQQ&refer=europe
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"The Vatican doesn't get involved in politics, but we see favorably Turkey's path toward membership of the European Union,'' Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said after Benedict met Erdogan at the start of his four-day visit.
The Vatican "doesn't have the power or the specific political mandate to intervene in the specific issue regarding Turkey's entry into the EU,'' Lombardi said in a later statement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
pid=20601100&sid=aiOpegoq3xQY&refer=germany

Posted by: Malinois

at November 28, 2006 7:12 PM

I do hope he doesn't turn into an anklebiter.

On the other hand this is a pretty clever little Pope we have here. He's almost 80yo and he goes into the snake pit like a Jedi.

Let's cut him some slack and see what he brings home or leaves on the [virtual] battlefield after the dust has settled and he's safely at home in the Vatican [God willing].

So far it seems that this Erdo-Bag is putting words in the Pope's mouth and the Pope ain't spittin' back.

Revenge is a dish best served COLD.

I guarantee you this Pope has some fire in his bely and he WILL BITE BACK. When the time comes.

We should exercise some FAITH here.

Let's back the Man UP - until we see him back down. So far that hasn't happened. Liek I said this is a virtual battle. GOOD vs. EVIL. Good is not always on top. In fact, most of the time it seems that all is lost.

But if God created Satan, as the discussion went in a couple recent threads, then God also has to power to destroy him.

And I doubt he'll do it on our schedule. We MUST know that in the end

We know we shall win
As we are confident in the victory
Of good over evil

Haile Selassie speech to the UN.

And here the Ethiopians are.. back on the map - but hardly by their own choosing. Maybe another place Benedikt 16 should visit.

Show support wherever it's so desperately needed.

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 7:21 PM

Not just affectionate and cuddly, but cute as a button too.

Posted by: pastorius

beards n burkas n all..

I am HUNGRY! Looking forward to some nice North Carolina ribs.. :-) Pork ribs. Mashed potatoes and macNcheese. And a pitcher of beer.

What do you MO-Foes eat for dinner?

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 7:31 PM

"We believe and confess in one God, even if in different ways,'' Benedict said in an address today to Turkish religious affairs chief..

That's Popespeak for: "We believe in OUR God and you believe in yours."

this guy knows how to choose words like blades and like needles if he has to.

Notice the absence of the wording "Same God".

We all know how "different" their "ways" of worship are from ours or any non-moslems world-wide really.

I sure hope I am correct in reading what's going on as a Jedi fight with words and phrases.

I do think he's showing enormous guts so far.

And PLEASE do NOT kiss a koran! I am sure that sort of an ambush will come his way somewhere on this trip. I am waiting with bated breath and for the first time in my life i am truly praying for something: That the Pope will NOT kiss a koran - no matter how hard it may be to avoid in a given situation.

Doing so won't win any friendships abroad. It would only serve to perpetuate the perception of weakness and subservience. Such an obvious gesture of submission would only serve to severely disappoint not only the millions of faithful Catholics and Orthodox Christians - but it will also ensure there won't be any NEW followers for the Vatican!

I for one am watching this very closely.

I KNOW they'll try to get him to kiss those SATANIC VERSES... how the Pope rises to the challenge remains to be seen.

Well he be an Obi-Wan or will he be made a fool of?

This is more gripping than a World Cup or a World Series match.
And the outcome is FAR more important.

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 28, 2006 7:54 PM

"Are you talking about John Paul who KISSED the koran??!!!"

Oops, my bad, germ. Must have been out of town when that happened.

Posted by: USBeast

at November 28, 2006 7:56 PM

On Glenn Beck tonight he mentioned the fact that there is a mandate in Europe whereby if the population is just 20% Muslim, then europe is mandated by law to enact Shariia law- Still looking into this- but if it is so- WOW- Just WOW! 80% of the population is over-ruled by a measley 20%? http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop

at November 28, 2006 8:16 PM

If anyone has any further info on this please let me know through email at mwh100@hotmail.com or on my site

Posted by: CottShop

at November 28, 2006 8:17 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Stillfedup..AIG...this is for you..... ROFTL.

So your Pope now thinks that Turkey MUST be allowed to join the EU...

Your Pope now thinks that Islam is peaceful.

Stillfedup....His Holiness is your Hollowness.

The thing about this story I do applaud is that Mr. Spencer reported it accurately.

So now that teh Pope has gone so far, he may as well say that Manuel II was wrong too.

Peoples ...this person is your infallable faith leader...where is his faith now?....he's bottled it....and stillfedup...you should be fedup...your man down the road to you in Italy has sold you out , "by their faith the Kafur will be sold".

Stillfedup, this demonstartion of faith has shown me what I have always known.....the vatican will be Allah's house...it's only a question of when, not if....don't believe me ? ask the pope.

Prepare for Eurabia, let me know your Burka size, I'll send you one from the land of the Pure, where faith is real faith ...strong, pure and part of our DNA...get it Kapish!

Posted by: Naseem

at November 28, 2006 8:18 PM

"peaceful and affectionate"

Like a bear trap

Posted by: DCWatson

at November 28, 2006 8:19 PM

The Pope went to Turkey for the sake of the Christian minorities therein. For their sake he told the Muslims more-or-less what they wanted to hear.

Posted by: Eleanor

at November 28, 2006 8:46 PM

Naseem,

I admit your faith is strong, kind of like your unshaved armpit on a warm summer day. Calling it real, however, is a stretch.

To be real, your Allah would need to be real, and it is demonstrably false. Your prophet would have be true, and he is demonstrably false. So what is it you have that is "real"?

You don't even believe in your religion. You are not a Muslim. Reposting:

It is so unbecoming of you to pick and choose. Better to leave it all behind.

I myself read those ..and I skip the violent ones...I believe that a handful of suras should not be there.
You ask "do you like the fact that Muhammed had a 9 year old wife maybe thats why you are muslim you want to have sex with a little girl?"
I am a muslima not a man...I don't want to have sex with a female child...and I don't think that Muhd SAW should have either.
Posted by: Naseem

Your previous comments above are countered by the verses 2:106 and 33:21. You do not believe Mohammed was a perfect model of conduct. You do not believe the Qur'an is perfect. Hence, you are not a Muslim, because your shahadatain is imperfect.

Your own faith doesn't accept you. You can't make a hajj. Your country considers you at best a non-Muslim, your countrymen, at best, an heretic.

Most frustrating, you frequently make forays towards understanding a better faith, raising our hopes, and then, while many of us have been praying for you, you come back like a broken record, like nothing ever happened. Same old stale Muslim dogma from a non-Muslim.

God help you.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen

at November 28, 2006 8:48 PM

What the Pope said was a terrible mistake. Muslims see this type of apologetic speech as weakness, not diplomacy. When muslims sense weakness, it enboldens them. It's a cultural trait that the last 30 years has been testimony to. That smelling of blood, in turn, spurs them to more demands, which ultimately, will be met by the politicians. This is how islam spreads in influence.

The Pope has an obligation to be the bearer of the Christian church and to assume all the pros and cons of the job description. The pros are perks and privilege. The cons are that some people are going to hate you. This Pope enjoys the perks of the job, but is not willing to swallow the bad with the good. He must be willing to be hated for speaking as the Pope. He can not shy away from that. Especially at such an important point in Church history.

He went to Turkey and contributed to the problem, rather than face it down.

Posted by: August22

at November 28, 2006 9:02 PM

The Pope should apologize for the Evils of Christianity and for what he said about Islam when Muslims apologize for all the churches they converted to Mosques and for all the Christians they Drove out of Turkey and so on and so forth.

and since that will never happen , the Pope should never go back on a single word he say's and he should not appease them by telling them what they WANT to hear. tell them what they NEED to hear.

Posted by: DUGGY

at November 28, 2006 9:11 PM

Well the Turks aren't looking at Pope Benedict's words with any fondness. As a matter of fact, a popular Turkish radio stattion is conducting some sort of protest. Whatever it is, they are demanding that Pope Benedict leave immediately for "lecturing" the Turks on violence. It seems they were upset about the Holy Father's remarks today that "violence is not religion's province." As a matter of fact, the Turkish Affairs Minister lectured Pope Benedict earlier today saying there isn't one shred of evidence that Islam has ever been violent. It seems he did so with a straight face. This site and CatholicReport.org are one of the few sites that carry stories like this even when others do not. Wait until the dust settles, I don't think Pope Benedict has changed his tune. The Turks certainly don't think he has, otherwise they wouldn't be reacting the way they are.

Posted by: Dave

at November 28, 2006 9:12 PM

The Pope in Turkey reminds me of one who is face to face with a rabid dog, trying to avoid confrontation by uttering" "nice doggie, nice doggie".

Posted by: ujaklija

at November 28, 2006 9:49 PM

Islamisbad:

"Remember, the Catholics teach that the Pope is infallable. He spoke the truth about mohammad now he is saying that islam is a religion of peace? How can he be infallable? Let's nor start a debate on this. Islam is and will never be campatiable to Christianity because of intolerance. Remember the previous Pope who kissed the koran? He might as well of kissed mein kumpf."

Wrong. Catholicism does NOT say that the Pope is infallible. No one is, except for God. The Pope is infallible when preaching FAITH AND MORALS and FAITH AND MORALS only.

For crying out loud, can't you people get your assertions straight? Your complete and total ignorance makes you look like a fool.

And so does your crappy spelling.

Posted by: atheling

at November 28, 2006 9:54 PM

The pope does sound like he is going very soft on islam.

Unfortunately, it is only going to empower them further.

I don't think there will be any crusades; but islamic raids only

Posted by: witness

at November 28, 2006 10:14 PM

As reported here, the purpose of this trip is the following:

Benedict also said guarantees of religious freedom are essential for a just society, and the Vatican said he raised specific issues such as property rights of Turkey's tiny 32,000-member Catholic community during talks with Turkish officials.

His comments could be reinforced later during the four-day visit when the pope meets in Istanbul with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians.

The pope is expected to call for greater rights and protections for Christian minorities in the Muslim world, including the small Greek Orthodox community in Turkey.

Perhaps, it is more symbolic than substantive but I think it will be seen as weakness none the less. What will happen to these people he seeks to help, after he is gone should be interesting.

In any case, I wish him well in this endeavor.

Posted by: witness

at November 28, 2006 10:50 PM

The Turks (and all of dar al Islam) have no concept nor point of reference for telling the truth, being honest, quoting correctly, etc.

The Fanatic: I believe the Pope's reference to plurality of traditions, faith in Christ the Lord, and so on, was a reference to the various CHRISTIAN community in Constantinople, which includes Greek Orthodox, Latin Catholics, Armenians, Melkite-uniates. I doubt if His Holiness would use the term "liturgical" "faith in Christ," etc. in reference to Muslims. I believe their only liturgical expression is the exposition of their ass into the air five times a day and the slaughtering of animals. No?

Posted by: Sansantiago

at November 28, 2006 11:05 PM

PS, I would rather trust EWTN's accounts of things than whatever Erdogan quotes. Also,check out the Ecumenical Patriarchate's special website for the Papal visit www.patriarchate.org

Posted by: Sansantiago

at November 28, 2006 11:08 PM

Muslims are parasites on the Judeo-Christian theological and historical heritage. Any rational person can see that Muhammed basically stole the entire monotheistic framework from these two religions, added his own psychological quirks and pragmatic considerations and voila, Islam. How anyone could have taken this melange seriously is beyond me. Hopefully, it is a case of "Whom the gods would destroy(i.e. Muslims), first they make crazy(i.e. by making them believe in Islam)".

One of the problems is that the world does not have a good definition of "religion", which allows Islam to masquerade as one. If we were only to enforce one simple principle, that a religion cannot be true if its founder benefited from its coming to be, that would automatically eliminate Islam from the list of religions, since Muhammed manifestly benefitted materially, politically and sexually from his founding of Islam. The whole thing is the poison fruit of a poison tree.

Posted by: venividivici

at November 28, 2006 11:09 PM

Pope Benedict XVI today proved himself to be yet another useless jackass taking up space and time in the Holy See.

He's a priest, he should know that if you can't tell the truth about something, then at least keep your mouth shut and let us regular folk down here on the ground fend for ourselves.

What a disgusting exhibition.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer

at November 28, 2006 11:29 PM

"Pope Benedict told Turkey on Tuesday he backed its bid to join the European Union and believed Islam was a religion of peace,.."

This makes me sick--and then he honors the grave of Ataturk. I used to give more respect to this man than was warranted. Would he do the same for Stalin or Hitler, they killed more than Ataturk--not sure if they were getting rid of Christians too?

It is said, "If you don't STAND for something (in your a__-kissing to make "peace") you will fall for anything." That is what is happening here---unless (so many of you thread "spinning" Catholics on this one), you wise guys are correct--that Benedict Arnold is just doing this to throw us all off. One poster wrote:

"Take some time to hear out what he said so far. Through his speeches he is making muslims acknowledge Christian values and thus pointing out the hypocrisy. He has already spoken up for the Christian community in Turkey and this is only day 1."

I guess I am just too stupid to have seen all that--how dumb I am! Hmmm..."Make the muslims acknowledge Christian values" .....as he kissed ataturk's the barbarian's rear end? So profound.

and another "wiser" poster wrote:
"Who says the pope doesn't have a sense of humour?"

I guess I don't see the humor. It makes me sick. Catholic church, you've got a problem. Pope Benedict Arnold.

Posted by: BB

at November 28, 2006 11:34 PM

Concerned Citizen --

Your response to Naseem was great and right on target. I especially liked the "unshaved armpit" throw in, as it sort-a caught me off guard. LOL

Posted by: champ

at November 29, 2006 12:22 AM

See my post at The New Crusade:

Holy Father encourages destruction of Christendom

Posted by: jovan66102

at November 29, 2006 1:27 AM

Prepare for Eurabia, let me know your Burka size, I'll send you one from the land of the Pure, where faith is real faith ...strong, pure and part of our DNA...get it Kapish!

Posted by: Naseem

Why don't you sell your surplus burkas on ebay, bitch!
Noone here WANTS them! OUR women look GOOD they are BEAUTIFUL and they have NO NEED to hide their faces or their bodies for the sight of God!!

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 29, 2006 2:59 AM

This pope is prophecied to die in a very short time in the prophecies of some catholic bishop
this pope of catholicism is gutless and embaressing

what shared principles????

islam shares nothing!!!!

no christian virtues whatsoever- they dont even share the same God!!!!

the pope is NOT infallible, the Bibel states clearly NO man is infallible and so if anyone teaches other opposite to the bible it is not from God!!!
Thsi Pope is a poor excuse for a dhmmi
he hasnt the same inner spirituality or sense pope john paul 2 had
no chance at all- he will not last long thats for sure
he is way past his use by date and so is most of the cardinals in catholic church- majority are over 70
thats time for the nursing home and retirement home thanks!!!!
the catholic church are a bunch of pathetic anti women misogynistic morons who are so interested in their new cars and palaces they live in to worry about mere women or christians in middle east
they are more interested in their museums de art and treasures they keep instead of selling them off to raise money to feed the poor and fund their churche sin poor countries thats for sure
How can a Pope who has never married, never have had kids dare tella woman not to practise contraception
how pathetic
remember this is the man who as his previous posts showed was responsible for preventing many child abuse victims of catholic church is usa receiving any compensation....
This Pope hasnt inner strength or any courage
if it had been me, i would have stood up for the truth and said islam is how it is and dared them to take me on, furthermore I would have exposed the surahs and chapters of the nonsensical koran and shown how it is extreme opposite to what christianity teaches and be damned for it
I would command my followerrs if I had been pope to refuse to deal with islamics, and not
to do business with islamics, I would order them to de invest in anything islamic business etc and boycott any islamic lands tourism, trade and exports..and refuse to import their goods also.
I would be refusing to back down and call it how islam has been for 1400 yrs- the anti christ
But then again....am awoman and I actually know more about islam that the ponce-oops pontiff lol

Posted by: Reverend_Kelly_Kuffir

at November 29, 2006 3:20 AM

So your Pope now thinks that Turkey MUST be allowed to join the EU...

Your Pope now thinks that Islam is peaceful.

You've been fed Turkspeech, bitch.. The Pope is a Wise Man and he is like Obi-Wan in the House of Darkness.. The Death Star called turkey which is part of the umma [bleeccchhh!!!].

He is an old man and yet he comes into a House of writhing hissing Snakes and only his goodness and his Knowledge and his Intellect keep him from BLOWING UP which is what a lesser man then he - like myself - would do when presented with this much EVIL.

Yet it is Our God who guides the actions of this Pope and i truly hope that this is a moment when a man from Germany will serve to DEFEND all that is Good and Love and Precious in this World.

You Mo-Foes will NEVER understand that this man presents his humility to you like a SHIELD.

He walks in the Darkest of Places and he strikes a blow for the Christian brothers who have so long been forsaken by the "safe" communities of Europe.

You won't feel this blow immediately because this is a subtle blow consisting of a thousand little cuts. He is allowing islam to SPEAK for ITSELF.

Like a true Ninja he bends with the wind yet he doesn't stay down.. he counters force by allowing that force to work against itself.

I have FAITH that our Pope will step wisely and ELUSIVELY. The Forces of Darkness are strong in these Strange Days and yes, I FEAR for him that he may slip. He is a mortal man and he is of considerable age.

But I am ROOTING for him to stand strong and gracefully in the face or more EVIL than any man has faced in a VERY VERY long time.

May he do the right thing and do a small part to redeem some of the Wrong that my country has wrought upon the World.

May God grant him the courage and the strength.
May God grant him the Wisdom to do what we need from him.

But KNOW that even IF he should fail, WE will NOT give up!!!
Should he fail we will know that God is testing us further and that more will be required of us to turn back the tides of Darkness.

Satan will NOT prevail. I believe this Pope is going to bat for ALL OF US but as a fallible man he could strike out.

He is right now a bright and powerful warrior for Europe and the World - but KNOW this: There are MANY more warriors in this World and you will come to see WE WON'T BACK DOWN - NO MATTER WHAT!!

WE SHALL NEVER SURRENDER!!!

We will defend our rights!!!

Our greatest enemies right now are still within - the ignorant crowd who continue to worship the false god of political correctness.

Please God, give Pope Benedikt the strength and the will to see this through.

Please God do not allow him to falter. May he blaze a trail for us all!!

Go Benedikt, GO!!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 29, 2006 3:23 AM

I know some of you here are frustrated with the Papal Visit to turkland. I am also quite dismayed that NOONE will speak strong in the face of this EVIL called islam.

HOWEVER.. He has NOT called islam a religion of peace like Jorge-al-bin-bush has.

He chooses his words very wisely. Do NOT allow the turks to release press statements and PUT WORDS in his mouth.

The official statements from the Vatican already are in direct contradiction to what the turks are saying.

Just that the statements from the Vatican are carefully crafted obfuscations and evasions. Call it a legal strategy.

You play an AWAY game differently than a HOME game.

Let us all wait until this thing has played out before we pass judgement. i am speaking from Hope and from Faith rather than from despair.

we MUSTN'T add to the evil energies surrounding this trip.
We MUST give his efforts the chance it deserves. What does this old man have to gain from selling us out??! This is NOT a politician.

If the Vatican represents God in any way then let us allow God to speak and act. Let us be open to the Power of Good to guide this man on this precarious path he is taking.

Yes, he may falter. But then we do not look upon him as a "perfect man" or as a "prophet" like the mohametans look upon their evil thug they worship.

Has not this Pope led a life of Study and Righteousness?

He is navigating some very treacherous waters and we MUST stand beside him. In Vernacularese: We must have his back.

And I'm just beginning to find Faith. The Pope is helping me find it and I am sure I am not the only one. Why would he want to lose these newly awakening sympathies and support?

This man is no fool. and he truly believes in his God.

He told the turks "we both believe in one God".

I REMIND you this is NOT the same thing as saying; "We believe in the SAME God".

Carefully chosen words indeed.. I hope he continues this way. We cannot expect him to lower himself. That has never been the Christian Way. Leave the stronger statements to the LIKES OF US!!!

I truly pray and hope for the Best!!

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 29, 2006 3:46 AM

When a religion has to force or cause somebody to say that it is peaceful under duress, then something is fundamentally with that religion.
If all is well, why all the security alert? Why all the demonstration? Is it not because they want to restrain their people so that they dont give them some bad name that will stop them from entering the EU?
As a comparison (Though u can never compare any religion with islam in this regard), christians dont care whether you say they are peaceful or not because they believe "by their fruits you shall know them".
Because the Pope said "Islam "peaceful and affectionate"", it because a press release for a president of a country?
Is something not fundamentally wrong with this religion?

Posted by: Nwachinemere

at November 29, 2006 4:05 AM

Assalamau Laikum GIA,

I like to read your comments...they are funni sometimes. You want to attack me for my comments...but you mustn't ignore the comments of your own community ...they too are villifying the pope too....Alarmed Pig farmer called him a "jackass"...and he is one of the most respected postees here.

GIA, I know that you love the crusades....you felt that in your opinion they did some good.

Who knows, one of them may even have been your ancestor...someone who paid the ultimate price by having 10 inches of muslim steel through his chest.

He would have died shouting in the name of Christianity ...defending his faith and then asking for salvation, knowing in his pierced heart ozzing blood freely, that Jesus will come to get him....in effect he had done his duty.

Well the pope yesterday, slapped him in the face.

Manuel II yesterday would have turned round in his grave yesterday ...and gone back to sleep..."nothing's happening here"...he would have thought ....the same as when he was alive so many yesterdays ago, when he came to Europe and asked for help against muslims....help which your blond boys refused.

Christians....you should fear for your future....when the chips are really down, your pope won't help you...he'll be too busy signing the Vatican over...sorry that you have to hear it from me....but let's face it...you need to get used to the idea, so that it's not so painful when it happens.

GIA, as for the burkas....they are already being sold on ebay ...this one in ground zero land. http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-UNIQUESSENTIALS-BURKA-BURKHA-ABAYA-GOWN-CAFTAN_W0QQitemZ300052441015QQihZ020QQcategoryZ314QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Salam

Posted by: Naseem

at November 29, 2006 4:31 AM

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan hailed the comments, which he said Benedict made to him in their private talk at the airport

And we believe him?

Asked about Turkey's EU entry bid... spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the Vatican took no political stand but supported Turkey's entry "on the basis of common values and principles."

I could endorse that statement. I wish it were possible for Turkey to join the EU. But unfortunately there are no "common values and principles". Posted by: Null

at November 29, 2006 4:44 AM

GIA, I know that you love the crusades....you felt that in your opinion they did some good.

Who knows, one of them may even have been your ancestor...someone who paid the ultimate price by having 10 inches of muslim steel through his chest.

Which would mean I seek a measure of VENGEANCE!!

Indeed I LOVE THE CRUSADES. And you have me wanting MORE.
I wish to bulldoze the mosks in my way and turn them into pig barns.

I wish to tear the burkas off the moslem sows.

I wish to free the lands for JEWISH OCCUPATION - Jews who will work the land and who will let the region PROSPER!!

I wish to TAKE a NICE LONG PISS on that black moon rock u call the kaba,

I wish to wipe my arse with your korans. I wish to BURN the korans because they aren't fit as toilet paper.

I wish to DE-islamify the brainwashed masses of fools and maybe their children can be saved from this nonsense.

You nazeem, aren't among them unfortunately for u.

Too bad you won't be around to see the re-establishment of Judaism and Christianity in these formerly Holy Lands!! The lands which have been defiled by BAAL!

The Lands of LUCIFER. The dar al pigslam.

We shall put your young in bikinis and see them DANCE and UNDULATE to the beat Brazilian Beach tunes!! Copacabana YEAH!

We will have WET T-shirt contests on the Horn of Africa. :-)

We will shoot RAP VIDEOS and Janet Jackson will come and pose on top of the Kaba and she will have another "wardrobe malfunction".

Maybe we'll film some Bud commercials at Meca. How about that? Or do u prefer Corona?

We'll have some blond boys posing with their POWs they took..
Little Mozart Angels.

The Pope may even come for the PARTAY!!! Since this WILL BE A LIBERATION THE LIKES OF WHICH THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN!

All you have to lose is your burkas and your evil nihilistic beliefs.

Who knows, we may even put in a Ford Factory somewhere. Or do you prefer Mercedes? Put some of you lazy koran-readers to work so we won't have to send you aid all the time.

And we'll have to recover our costs. So we WILL take the oil while our scientists work on alternate cleaner fuels.

Remember Sobieski, Martel, Voltaire, Churchill and the many GREATS who stood in the face of your islamic filth!

NOW we have the internet - which WE invented - and we share information amongst ourselves. WE ALL KNOW WHAT u moslems are now!!!

We want islam out of Cyprus too!

We want Israel to have the West Bank and Gaza. ALL OF IT!! They deserve some Reparations for those long years of islamic aggresssion, don't u think?

Maenwhile we will have the youth in de-islamifcation schools and they will learn about the greatness of Judeo-Christian Culture and its achievements. They will pray to the Real God for their opportunity to LEARN and STUDY real things that aid in the Advancement of Mankind.

There will no longer be this virus called islam.

YES I WANT A CRUSADE. I WANT A THOUSAND CRUSADES!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica

at November 29, 2006 5:20 AM