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The disjunction between the idea that he is waging a "Crusader campaign" and what he is actually doing is of Grand Canyon proportions, but when has a disconnect from reality stopped them before? "Al-Qaida denounces pope visit to Turkey," by Maamoun Youssef for Associated Press, with thanks to CGiddens, Jr.:
CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida in Iraq on Wednesday denounced Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Turkey, calling it part of a "crusader campaign" against Islam.In Istanbul, Vatican officials said the remark shows the need for faiths to fight "violence in the name of God."
The trip is Benedict's first visit to an Islamic country as pontiff, seeking dialogue with Muslims who were angered over a speech he made in September in which he cited a medieval text that linked Islam and violence.
Al-Qaida in Iraq issued its statement on an Islamic militant Web site it often uses to post messages.
"The pope's visit, in fact, is to consolidate the crusader campaign against the lands of Islam after the failure of the crusader leaders ... and an attempt to extinguish the burning ember of Islam inside our Turkish brothers," it said.
Posted by Robert at November 29, 2006 1:01 PM
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crusader campaign? He agreed with them that Islam is peace basically--and thats a crusader campaign?
You want a REAL crusader campaign Islam?--keep it up and you'll see the difference soon.
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at November 29, 2006 1:20 PM
Assalamau Laikum all,
"In Istanbul, Vatican officials said the remark shows the need for faiths to fight "violence in the name of God."..Allah!
Posted by: Naseem at November 29, 2006 1:22 PM
oh and Islam is "peace" as much as the moon is made of green cheese. sheesh.
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
at November 29, 2006 1:23 PM
BECAUSE LOVE MAKES THE MOSLEM WEAK AND HATRED MAKES THE MOSLEM STRONG.
The following applies to any Christian, even the Pope:
“…And because of this, they said to Ibn Hajar al-Haythami: “Is it allowed for the Muslim to extend his hand when greeting a Christian, so that he could shake it?” He answered: “No, because the Christian will feel at peace when he is shaking your hand. So, it is not allowed for you to extend your hand for him to shake.”…It was narrated to me by the leader of the Islamic Movement in Jordan - our teacher, Muhammad ‘Abd ar-Rahman Khalifah:
at November 29, 2006 1:23 PM
This report sounds like something some of the Anti-Catholic folks would put out. Expect, it would read.."A Crusade for a One world Religion".
Again, with respect to the above commentor, I will wait till the Holy Father get's back to Rome sweet Rome, to find out what was really said.
Posted by: RegularRon at November 29, 2006 1:24 PM
well dam,just when is the crusade start?I'm ready.
Posted by: Patriot8 at November 29, 2006 1:25 PM
well dam,just when is the crusade gunna start?I'm ready.
Posted by: Patriot8 at November 29, 2006 1:29 PM
I was just starting to like the Pope, and I'm not a great fan of the office.
Then I saw the Islam=Peace cop-out.
Somehow I don't think he believes that. Is the most influential Christian on Earth going Dhimmi?!
Posted by: Alex at November 29, 2006 1:30 PM
'burning ember of Islam'
Manage to Pull off a few more of your attacks and burning embers will be all that is left of islam.
Posted by: Gary at November 29, 2006 1:52 PM
Why would A-Q feel so threatened by the Pope's visit?
Posted by: Josephine at November 29, 2006 1:53 PM
Well if Al-Qaida is against it then I guess the Pope must be doing something right.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 2:02 PM
they keep their crap up and we WILL start a crusade against them- keep pushin qaeda- just keep pushing- force our hand. http://www.statcounter.com/
Posted by: CottShop at November 29, 2006 2:06 PM
I think the Pope is a shrewd diplomat and leader. Although he said that Islam was a "religion of peace" he immediately contradicted himself by mentioning the priest who was murdered in Trabzon. He told the hosts both what they wanted to hear and what they needed to hear. His comments on Turkey's EU membership were also a bold stroke. For Turkey to actually join the EU, every little bit of the Sharia would have to be tossed out. There can be no death penalties, no blasphemy prosecutions, and no forced marriages of under-aged girls. To join the EU, the Turks must shed the most odious aspects of their religion! So, by all means, let the Turks TRY to join the EU. Unlike the semi-literate immams and muftis of the Islamic world, the Pope is a true international leader and adroit statesman. So far ... he hasn't let me down.
Posted by: Patrick at November 29, 2006 2:10 PM
"The pope's visit, in fact, is to consolidate the crusader campaign against the lands of Islam after the failure of the crusader leaders ...
IF ONLY!!!
and an attempt to extinguish the burning ember of Islam inside our Turkish brothers," it said.
So they are THAT easy to REPROGRAM??!!! That is the message I get out of this AQ is afraid that this old Holy Man from Europe will convert masses of momobots to Christianity.
Sounds like they are giving us some clues!
Let's start a CONVERSION DRIVE!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 29, 2006 2:14 PM
I was just starting to like the Pope, and I'm not a great fan of the office.
Then I saw the Islam=Peace cop-out.
Somehow I don't think he believes that. Is the most influential Christian on Earth going Dhimmi?!
Posted by: Alex
READ BETWEEN THE LINES!!! And DON'T believe what the TURKS say the Pope said. Those snakes are putting words in his mouth.
The most influential Christian on Earth is Dancing like a Butterfly. For his age he seems to be doing a pretty good job.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 29, 2006 2:17 PM
P.S. Hey idiot Scumlims -- that so-called holy rock you worship is a meteorite. They fall to earth all the time. Dumbasses.
Posted by: AsIf
Funny too.. Israel is the size of new Jersey. The islamic world is 56 countries at least the size of Russia.
And Israel kicks their butts with both hands tied behind their backs.
Might Intelligence have something to do with that?
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 29, 2006 2:24 PM
lol i just noticed I posted link to statcounter- Doh- please ignore
Posted by: CottShop at November 29, 2006 2:36 PM
Iran's Prez's letter: http://www.un.int/iran/pressaffairs/pressreleases/2006/articles/13.htm "...The US governing establishment, the authorities and the powerful should not choose irreversible paths. As all prophets have taught us, injustice and transgression will eventually bring about decline and demise. Today, the path of return to faith and spirituality is open and unimpeded.
We should all heed the Divine Word of the Holy Qur'an:
“ But those who repent, have faith and do good may receive Salvation. Your Lord, alone, creates and chooses as He will, and others have no part in His choice; Glorified is God and Exalted above any partners they ascribe to Him. ” (28:67-68)
I pray to the Almighty to bless the Iranian and American nations and indeed all nations of the world with dignity and success.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad"
at November 29, 2006 2:37 PM
The Wiki says: "In recent years . . . the use of "crusade" as a positive term has become less frequent in order to avoid giving offense to Muslims or others offended by the term."
Welllll -- O-kay -- Can we call it a 'campaign of various faiths and non-faiths united against violent aggression' - you know, to keep from offending?
Also from Wiki:
1908 Catholic Encyclopedia perspective
One traditional Catholic perspective is presented in the 1908 version of the Catholic Encyclopedia. This viewpoint sees the Crusades as defensive wars against Muslim aggression and "Mohammedan tyranny". The 1908 Catholic Encyclopedia summarizes its traditional Roman Catholic viewpoints on the legacy of the Crusades:
Notwithstanding their final overthrow, the Crusades hold a very important place in the history of the world... It must be said that the advantages thus acquired by the popes were for the common safety of Christendom. From the outset the Crusades were defensive wars and checked the advance of the Mohammedans who, for two centuries, concentrated their forces in a struggle against the Christian settlements in Syria; hence Europe is largely indebted to the Crusades for the maintenance of its independence." [Catholic Encyclopedia ]
It should be noted that this viewpoint is not the only viewpoint on the Crusades to be found in the Roman Catholic tradition.
Posted by: Malinois at November 29, 2006 2:37 PM
"Funny too.. Israel is the size of new Jersey. The islamic world is 56 countries at least the size of Russia.
And Israel kicks their butts with both hands tied behind their backs.
Might Intelligence have something to do with that?"
Posted by: germaninamerica
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Of course it has to do with intelligence. Jews are smart. Just look at Einstein.
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 2:37 PM
This trip is working out after all. Despite the idiotic headline in today's New Duranty Times, swallowing whole, and then regurgitating for readers, the business of the Pope supposedly "supporting Turkey's entry into the E.U." What The New Duranty Timnes did was to wilfully ignore the source of such an interpretation (Erdogan, and not the Pope's spokesmen), wilfully ignore many instances of the Pope clearly setting down, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, his opposition to Turkish admission, and even wilfully failing to figure out what, if the Pope did indeed at one point (it is unclear) express a hope or a wish that Turkey might be admitted, what he meant by this was that Turkish society will meet the E.U.s demands and, furthermore, become the kind of society, with genuine pluralism that does not favor Islam in any way, and a complete separation of church and state, that would enable Turkey to be seriously considered for admission to the E.U. And that would require putting Islam back in the Kemalist bottle, with a much stronger stopper.
Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2006 2:49 PM
You know, StillFedUp, I for one am tired of you calling Naseem a whore and making disparaging remarks about her deceased husband. What the hell is wrong with you?
Naseem peddles the typical Mohammedan BS and is annoying as flies at a barbecue and nuttier than Chinese chicken salad to boot, but she does behave with more respect and dignity than you do. This is not a forum for abuse and derision, but for serious discussion. Do you ever hear crap like you spew from Robert or Hugh, or from Naseem for that matter? If they handled themselves like that, this blog would be as useless as your contributions to it.
Also, it does our rightful cause no good whatever when it degenerates into vitriolic and gratuitous affront to the opposition, who needs to hear us as one unified voice in truth. The suggestion is often made that Naseem's posts be deleted, but I myself wonder why yours aren't.
We're supposed to be more civilized than the jihadist apologists.
Regards,
HAID
at November 29, 2006 2:51 PM
Non-Sequitar, but I heard Robert Spencer today on Relevant Radio (A Catholic Radio Network) on the Morning Show. I thought I was still dreaming. Great job Robert even though I only caught the end of it. Hopefully they'll have you back on the air again.
Peace.
Posted by: Monkeywho at November 29, 2006 3:02 PM
I know what a CRUSADE is, and this isn't one. Not yet. You terrorists-in-the-name-of-blasphemy will know when it starts for real.
Posted by: n.a. palm at November 29, 2006 3:09 PM
Looks like the eurabians in what used to be Austria have outlawed Santa Claus. Perhaps they should replace him with some snarling mahometan jinn ... scare the hell out of the little tykes.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2687843
Posted by: Infidel33 at November 29, 2006 3:14 PM
Sadly, this is NOT a crusade. The truth is, we all need to "CRUSADE" against radical Islam.
And when I say all, I mean all. Whether you are Jew, Christian, Hindu, "Moderate" Muslim, atheist, agnostic, or anything in-between, we all need to fight this evil enemy.
The line has been drawn in the sand, and anyone who is not FOR radical Islam, SHOULD against it.
Kill or be killed -- that's what it boils down to.
Posted by: champ at November 29, 2006 3:14 PM
Re: name-calling of Nassem et alia. Well said, Haid. I second that. Let's stick to the issues.
at November 29, 2006 3:26 PM
The leader of the Church, by exalting and kissing the book that calls for the extermination of the Church launched a vicious attack in an "attempt to extinguish the burning ember of Islam inside our Turkish brothers."
These Moslem clowns are on a TurnSpeak roll this week.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Islamic brothers. Burning. Embers. Extinguished. I dig this particular kinda Moslem chatter, and would like to hear more of it.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at November 29, 2006 3:30 PM
angered over a speech he made in September in which he cited a medieval text that linked Islam and violence.
sounds to me like Muslims are mad because the head infidel dared tell the truth about what the history of Islam is and how it currently is in in most Middle Eastern countries, a religion of peace it certainly has a lot rioting violence and killing whenever a kaffer makes any comments about how violent Islam is. There are devout peaceful Muslims in many parts of world but unfortunately we seldom hear from any of them just recently United States a Muslim spoke out about the violence and against Hezbollah, he ended up getting death threats from people from his mosque and being censured by the mosque leaders for speaking out. The fact is Moslems since Muhammad dreamed up his fantasy of Islam and made himself rich on booty taken by his followers Islam and Muslims in the committing the same old crimes in the same old ways 1400 years. Al Qaeda keeps mentioning the Crusades were Muslims and their butts kicked by Christian groups like the Knights Templar and other fighters sent by Christian kingdoms to stop the raids by Muslims on unarmed Christian pilgrims traveling to a holy land hell
even after trouble was freely possible by Christians to their holy sites it was not till 1800s that news nation of the United States finally destroyed the Muslim Barbary pirates kingdoms and their attacks on non-non-Muslim ships that they had done strictly for booty based on what Muhammad had done in the Koran.and as for soldiers committing rape east-west just look at what happened to female Jewish soldiers captured by Muslim soldiers the wars that the Arab league and started Israel, despite the Geneva Convention on treatment of captured enemy combatants every time a female Jewish soldier and then captured in Muslim captors have gang raped her. Yet there are very few cases of this in Western Armed Forces since we are taught to respect women we might want them but unlike Muslim males are*taught to ask woman first and except no for an answer.
at November 29, 2006 3:37 PM
This is your brain : O
This is your brain on islam: .
what he meant by this was that Turkish society will meet the E.U.s demands and, furthermore, become the kind of society, with genuine pluralism that does not favor Islam in any way, and a complete separation of church and state, that would enable Turkey to be seriously considered for admission to the E.U. And that would require putting Islam back in the Kemalist bottle, with a much stronger stopper.
Posted by: Hugh
Hugh.. I know you're one of the smartest guys around. Allow me to point out a couple of things in reference to the quote above.
They ALREADY have separation of CHURCH and state. There is practically NO church over there. They will NEVER separate mosk and state. And even if they did it JUST ENOUGH to slip in.. once they ARE in.. who's to say they won't vote islamist NEXT!
Second.. If you want a stronger stopper on islam you need a plunger!
This is your brain : O
This is your brain on islam: .
at November 29, 2006 3:43 PM
This is your brain : O
This is your brain on islam: .
LOL!
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 3:44 PM
This is your brain : O
This is your brain on islam: .
LOL!
Posted by: EliasAlucard
Glad you like!
Anything to lighten things up sometimes!
And it sums things up rather nicely.
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 29, 2006 3:50 PM
germaninamerica, the funny part is that it's TRUE!
Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 3:52 PM
germaninamerica, the funny part is that it's TRUE!
Posted by: EliasAlucard
Yes and at the same time that's the SAD part.
If it were up to me everyone on earth would live in peace and according to their needs. something that is only possible with at least some degree of Enlightenment. Something that is only possible when you have at least a modicum of intelligence.
at November 29, 2006 3:56 PM
This just in:
http://ummahnewslinks.com/2006/11/29/gunmen-attack-internet-cafes-in-gaza.aspx
They can't handle Jihadwatch :-)
Posted by: germaninamerica
[Sorry for the cross but I had put this in the wrong spot]
Posted by: germaninamerica at November 29, 2006 4:01 PM
We need more than a Crusade. We need all Infidels in the world to help destroy Islam.
This is primarily will be a battle of Politics & Polemics and 'Pologetics.
We need all creeds to fight Islam.
We need all people believers in any god or no god at all to fight against the religion of Allah and its agenda.
All of us... 5 billion against 1.2....
Lasseiz les bon temps roulez you Mo-Foes... it's you against the world. You will lose.
at November 29, 2006 4:10 PM
Want to start a Crusade? Start with full dhimmitude for Muslims in the West-treat them the way they treat "infidels" in their countries under sharia. Give them the full dhimmi treatment-no more new mosques. No more prayer calls. No more "charities". No more lobbying groups like CAIR. NO tax exempt status. Stick it to them. Perhaps dhimmitude will trigger an exodus of Muslims from the West back to cesspoolia. Let them all go already.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2006 4:28 PM
"cesspoolia"
-- from a posting above
Known around the Spanish Steps as "Cespuglia." But there is a problem: the Desert is not the Bush.
Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2006 4:38 PM
"In Istanbul, Vatican officials said the remark shows the need for faiths to fight "violence in the name of God."..Allah!
Naseem, translation stop killing people in the name of Islam!
Nobody else is killing in the name of God but your people.
Niv
Posted by: The fanatic at November 29, 2006 5:29 PM
READ BETWEEN THE LINES!!! And DON'T believe what the TURKS say the Pope said. Those snakes are putting words in his mouth...
Hmmmm...too bad one must be forced to "read between the lines."
Is there a reason the pope can not speak out plainly? Or are we forced to "read between the lines" because speaking plainly will offend someone?
Why shouldn't the Turks put words in his mouth? After all, he really can't say what needs to said or even what he would like to say, can he?
Why is that?
Yes, it is best to walk softly, talk sweetly, and "feel subdued" when speaking about the islamic devils that have caused more human misery than all the worlds despots combined.
I suppose that the immams will be invited to pass out communion during mass, if you must continue on this path and are forced to "read between the lines."
I was beginning to like this pope too -- haven't given up yet, but he is making it harder. Hopefully he is made of stunner stuff and WILL SHOW IT!
Posted by: witness at November 29, 2006 7:12 PM
Yes, Jews are smart and they have something else going for them..a culture and history of achievement. Jewish families nurture their children and encourage them to be what they know they can be..doctors..scientists and lawyers. Well..ok then, just doctors and scientists. They sacrifice and prod and push their children to achieve and to keep their religion to themselves. Contrast that with adherants of islam. They raise their children to believe that the pinnacle of achievement is to kill a Jew or some other enemy,preferably in the most barbaric and horrific manner or to die trying in like manner. Their belief discourages scientific or cultural pursuits of any kind and they insist on shoving their religion down the world's throat. The difference is not primarily intelligence, it is cultural.
I find absolutely nothing to admire about the islamic religion or the attending cultures...mainly Arabic or Arabic wannabes. I would rather be a dead Christian than leader of the whole pack and I use the word "pack" intentionally.
PS. I realize that I should begin to develop firm positions on matters and stop being so wishy-washy.
PPS. Information for you muslim lurkers.. I'm Irish not Jewish
at November 29, 2006 8:21 PM
witness:
I'll tell you why the Pope is not haranguing the Muslims in Turkey. Pay close attention and I will try to spell it out in very simple terms.
You go to someone's home who is holding a knife at your brother's throat. Now, do you start shouting polemical insults to make him put that knife down? Do you?
I guess you would. You're that obtuse and stupid.
Posted by: atheling at November 29, 2006 8:24 PM
And I should have added...damn good farmers.
Posted by: pismopal at November 29, 2006 8:34 PM
Alqaida morons should know better.
Islam doesn't need a crusader campaign against it.
Islam is self-destructive enough.
at November 29, 2006 10:23 PM
Olly-olly-oxen-free-free-free, Naseem!!
(special American greeting)
at November 29, 2006 10:29 PM
You go to someone's home who is holding a knife at your brother's throat. Now, do you start shouting polemical insults to make him put that knife down? Do you?
I guess you would. You're that obtuse and stupid.
And who is it that is threating to kill the pope after his love fest in Turkey?
No, it isn't me; nor is it me that is holding a knife to his throat.
Let me explain this very slowly so you get it -- if it were up to me, islam would be a non issue and your pope would be able to say anything he damn well pleased, anywhere he wanted, including his home or YOUR house -- with NO FEAR of offending islamics.
You better tippy toe like you're on eggs shells; there'll be hell to pay if you offend them.
I don't tread very litely -- never will.
Posted by: witness at November 29, 2006 11:08 PM
Al Qaeda seems to have a fixation on the Crusadeswe need to recall the Crusades came about because a Muslim Raiders attacking and taking caravans from medieval Europe who are traveling to the holy land and taking the women on most caravans they attacked as concubines and their men is castrated slaves. And the goods as booty finally medieval Europe had had enough and only then the Pope called for a crusade against the Muslims. History tells that Muslims got their butts kicked could that be why Al Qaeda seems to have this terror of another crusade knowing that if the Western world gets its act together the forces of radical Islam will have awakened a sleeping giant and and like Admiral Yamatosaid after the attack on Pearl Harbor I fear it filled him with a terrible resolve. The pope told the truth about Islam and Islam has no right to criticize him for telling the truth about how violent Moslems can be against people they overrun in Turkey alone used in to look at the genocide the Turks and committed against the Armenians and Cypriots when they overran Cyprus. So maybe it is time for another crusade against Islam and and it's violent followers who are preaching a return to the time Muhammad
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 30, 2006 12:33 AM
witness:
You don't get it.
Okay, I'll explain. The man with the knife is Muslim Turkey. The Brother of the Pope is the Orthodox Christians. The Pope wants to ease the strain there betweeen Christians and Muslims since his remarks at Regensberg. Remember when he saw the photo of the dead priest?
Is there any room in that blustering braggart foolish head of yours that can possibly conceive that there are other issues at hand besides your bragadoccio? Obviously you're not a Christian. You only think of yourself.
Posted by: atheling at November 30, 2006 2:30 AM
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