Ok -- let me answer the call -- Hell No!!!!

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2006 5:09 PM

Isn't this similar to a traditional Muslim declaration of war?

chsw

Posted by: chsw at November 29, 2006 5:11 PM

Like I've said before: I'd rather have my head decapitated than converting to islam.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at November 29, 2006 5:12 PM

Like I said on the previous thread:

The man is a honey-tongued serpent of megalomaniacal proportions!

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at November 29, 2006 5:13 PM

I'll second that: I'd rather be decapitated than deny Christ. Also, life wouldn't be worth living under dhimmitude or as a Muslim.

Posted by: PRCalDude at November 29, 2006 5:16 PM

mahmoud is a religious zealot who suffers from delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at November 29, 2006 5:21 PM

An open letter to POTUS

Dear President Bush,

The Iranian president has just threatened my life as stated in his most recent letter to all Americans. Since I reject Islam and will not accept dhimmi status in the country of my birth, my life is at risk. According to the tenets of Islam, the Iranian president is now free to make war on me and my loved ones. Mr. President, what do you plan on doing about it?

If you knew anything about Islam and Mohammed, you would know how real this threat is. I assume that you know more about managing a professional baseball team than you know about Islam; therefore, I assume that the only person whom I can rely on for my safety is me and not my government.

Yours truly
Mr. Name Withheld

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2006 5:21 PM

Mr. Name Withheld --

That's a very unusual name. Is it possibly a family name? Are you by any chance related to "Name Withheld By Request"?

Posted by: Hugh at November 29, 2006 5:23 PM

I do have a cousin named A. Nonymus.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2006 5:24 PM

Thanks for the invitation Mr. Prez, but I prefer to be that odd "polytheist" who somehow believes in just one God.

Last time I checked it seemed that A-Nut was the polytheist, worshipping Illah, Mr. Perfect and that Mahdi character. Am I missing any of his other deities?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2006 5:28 PM

Another clown called us to islam in 2001, only he was more forceful in his approach, and more true to his religion.

His name was Osama bin-Laden.

Again, I say...

embrace this:

..I..

LAN ASTASLEM!!!
("I will NOT submit!")

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 5:30 PM

In the 80's a family member of mine was taken in by the "Moonie" cult. She wrote me letters which were not unlike Ahmadinejad's, spiritual letters filled with obscure references to the writings of Rev. Moon and vague, meaningless platitudes about how, if we all REALLY understood the truth as Moon had revealed it, we could all live together in peace happily ever after.

After several attempts to dialogue with her via letters of my own, I gave up. She could not be shaken out of her cultish, abstract moonings either by reason or by a simple, familial appeal to discuss personal, individual aspects of her new life. I eventually left all her letters unopened and marked them "Return to Sender."

Fortunately, my story and hers has a happy ending. She eventually learned on her own and the hard way that for all its pious platitudes the Moonie cult was a greedy, power-hungry fraud. She escaped with her life and her mind intact.

May all of us who buy into Ahmadinejad's cultish ramblings be so lucky.

Posted by: Sherman at November 29, 2006 5:31 PM

Mr. Ahmadinejad, you are hereby invited to accept Christ and be saved. If you reject this invitation, that is your right as a human beign. It is between you and God. No Christian will torture or kill you for your rejection. That would be a sin against God.
Which of the invitations come from the true god?

Posted by: rational at November 29, 2006 5:33 PM

As soon as Allah, Islamic afterlife and other assorted unicorn tales are proven to exist I will convert to Islam. Until such time, I seen no reason to respect anything Muslims declare anymore. In fact I see no reason to respect Islam anymore than I would respect the beliefs of Westboro Baptist Church (those "god hates gays & dead soldiers" nutjobs).

No more faith Ahmadinejad, only rational fact. If allah cannot prove himself/itself/herself/whatever to be an existentially real and guiding power in this universe, it is time to shelve Allah alongside other myths.

If nukes fly and hundreds of millions die in the name of a creator, I for one will be the first to stand up and demand to Muslims that Allah get off his lazy celestial ass and fix the problem.

Muslims want to push their culture, religion and morals on us to dominate world? Fine. The clock is ticking, produce empirical evidence for the existence of Allah. Show us magic, fireworks and repeatable, testable and verifiable miracles or shut up and keep your lies to yourself.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at November 29, 2006 5:39 PM

His promises are a bit too vague. However, if he promised 'socialized medicine for all,' 'no unemployment,' 'minimum wage raised to $20 an hour,' if America accepted Islam immediately, I'd be concerned.

Posted by: s at November 29, 2006 5:46 PM

yes we want this...
The Dark Ages - live from the Middle East!

The most frightening aspect of the present war is how easily our pre-modern enemies from the Middle East have brought a stunned postmodern world back into the Dark Ages.

Students of history are sickened when they read of the long-ago, gruesome practice of beheading. How brutal were those societies that chopped off the heads of Cicero, Sir Thomas More and Marie Antoinette. And how lucky we thought we were to have evolved from such elemental barbarity.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Socrates was executed for unpopular speech.
The 18th-century European Enlightenment gave people freedom to express views formerly censored by clerics and the state. Just imagine what life was like once upon a time when no one could write music, compose fiction or paint without court or church approval?

It is almost surreal now to read about the elemental hatred of Jews in the Spanish Inquisition, 19th-century Russian pogroms or the Holocaust. Yet here we are revisiting the old horrors of the savage past.

Beheading? As we saw with Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, our Neanderthal enemies in the Middle East have resurrected that ancient barbarity -- and married it with 21st-century technology to beam the resulting gore instantaneously onto our computer screens. Xerxes and Attila, who stuck their victims' heads on poles for public display, would've been thrilled by such a gruesome show.

Who would have thought centuries after the Enlightenment that sophisticated Europeans -- in fear of radical Islamists -- would be afraid to write a novel, put on an opera, draw a cartoon, film a documentary or have their pope discuss comparative theology?

The astonishing fact is not just that millions of women worldwide in 2006 are still veiled from head-to-toe, trapped in arranged marriages, subject to polygamy, honor killings and forced circumcision, or are without the right to vote or appear alone in public. What is more baffling is that in the West, liberal Europeans are often wary of protecting female citizens from the excesses of Sharia law - sometimes even fearful of asking women to unveil their faces for purposes of simple identification and official conversation.

Who these days is shocked that Israel is hated by Arab nations and threatened with annihilation by radical Iran? Instead, the surprise is that even in places like Paris or Seattle, Jews are singled out and killed for the apparent crime of being Jewish.

The Goths and Vandals did not sack Rome solely through the power of their hordes; they also relied on the paralysis of Roman elites who no longer knew what it was to be Roman -- much less whether it was any better than the alternative.

[Civilization] is forfeited with a whimper, not a bang. Insidiously, we have allowed radical Islamists to redefine the primordial into the not-so-bad.
Perhaps women in head-to-toe burkas in Europe prefer them? Maybe that crass German opera was just too over the top after all? Aren't both parties equally to blame in the Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan wars?

To grasp the flavor of our own Civil War, impersonators now don period dress and reconstruct the battles of Shiloh or Gettysburg. But we need no so such historical reenactment of the Dark Ages. You see, they are back with us - live almost daily from the Middle East.

Posted by: bondservant at November 29, 2006 5:48 PM

@bondservant

Sir or Madame:

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your passionate, insightful, and gloriously written post ( November 29, 2006 05:48 PM). It is a full expression of my deepest feelings, but presented in a much more eloquent fashion. It is to read posts like these that I visit this website as often as I can.

Thank you again. I'm sure practically everyone who read your post on this site feels the same sense of gratitude.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 29, 2006 6:03 PM

Are we to expect a nuclear attack in the next few days? Is Israel the target? Are we?
Is Washington aware of what the letter means?
I know the elite have a shelter were they can live through an attack (whew, the thought of not having someone to collect taxes from the dumb masses is too upsetting, we sure need all the elite to make it out alive), just hope it is not a major attack...several hits at one time.
Then...can I say it? Make the middle east flat, black and glow in the dark.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 29, 2006 6:10 PM

Ok first, I have to admit-I did not read his letter. I would have but I could care less what he has to say and I get the idea from the title. I would except a call to islam. I would make a great muslim, I can be self centered, close-minded, rude, intolerant, demanding of others and potentially violent. The attraction to little girls and a strong desire to destroy everything in my path are the only things holding me back. It’s a shame though; I already have the towel and fanbelt from my most recent trip. I might make a true moderate muslim but that just swaps my desire to destroy everything with a strong desire to enslave everyone. That is not bad in it self but then I would need a bigger place, the time to play with my trophies and have to take the time to punish them all. It seems like too much work, so I’ll stay an infidel but I wish president prophet ackmynadsareinajar luck with convincing the rest of you.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 6:11 PM

Oops, I forgot to add: Mesleh sag bemiri mr president prophet.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 6:15 PM

So that idiot in Iran invites me to follow the so called writings of a man who was a pedophile, a murderer, a liar and a thief when I follow a man who died horribly for me because he loves me. I can go the route of hate and fear or I can go the route of love. Kind of a no brainer on the direction that I am going to take. Oh but wait...this idiot's never read the New Testiment and is so insecure he doesn't allow anybody else in his country to do so either so he and every other fanatical Muslim doesn't know about Godly love. And he has in his pathetic way declared war on us. This is what we are up against.

Posted by: never_submit at November 29, 2006 6:23 PM

well if you still read and or listen to the dinosaor media, they all want the US to talk to iran and syria over iraq. the dems such as madame clinton wants dialogue with iran and syria, ita a steady drumbeat. these fools are bigger fools than l thought possible. now when Bush says about iran not getting nuclear weapons, who do you think iran would rather have in power, Bush or madame clinton/gore/ kerry?

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 29, 2006 6:29 PM

Umm, jawknee...

the munchkin doesn't speak english. You must speak to him in words he understands, so repeat after me:

Durka durka, muhamma-jihad...sherp sherpa sherka bakala!

PS- carolyn...no, not to worry about nukes just yet, but good to be concerned. Yes, I was one proponent of turning 3 of their sites into parking lots in 20 miunutes
(we very nearly did, believe me...I was caught on my way home to CA & saw an OPEN silos at Warren AFB WY 1st hand, my cell was ringing nonstop calling me out of retirement, etc...note- silo doors do not open unless the President is in or nearing the "snap count"= "1 minute to launch"...
as well as an entire wing of B-52s on the tarmac at Salt Lake Int'l waiting for "special" ordinace to be loaded off the convoys coming off of I-80 as a KC-10 tanker circled crystal pattern oval over the city with 2 fully loaded F-16s in escort...yes, I was driving home from summer vacation with my son).

It would have worked, too...and nobody would have said squat to us, even the russians or chinese. The rest of the islamist world would have said "we get the message" and it would have been over in an hour.
Fact is, even now, Presidents still are hesitant to repeat hiroshima even against an enemy (much to the contrary of the "america=war mongers" mob), unless the stakes are sky-high (such as full scale missile assault which this was not). By afternoon on 9/11 it didn't quite qualify as such, but I still endorsed such a move...but that was then, this is now.

Only time will tell which option proved best.

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 6:30 PM

The writing posted by "bondservant" above was taken from an article written by Victor Davis Hanson:

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson103006.html

October 30, 2006
The Dark Ages
Live from the Middle East
by Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services

Posted by: Josephine at November 29, 2006 6:33 PM

Not quite, sarge...

If a nuke does go off here, all bets really ARE off, and there WILL guarantee a response by "sterilizing the target area"...in...a...heartbeat.

Every foreign nation knows this M.O., even the munchkin.

You are right however on the public reaction, sad to say many innocents will be killed due to ingorance of enemy identification like a few were after 9/11 (aka, sikhs being murdered because "they all look alike" as one fool put it).
One major reason we hear calls to remain calm (I know, easier said than done at times).
One thing for sure, if one does detonate, publics reaction will mean every single mosque in America being obliterated, and law enforcement won't be able to stop it either...after all, there arew more armed people in the US than all the worlds armed forces, past and present, combined...and most of them are former military who know how to use them...and will, too.
Even now, it wouldn't take much to set the Americans off...they're sick of this restraint as well, and are a powderkeg ready to ignite, like we almost did on 9/11.

Even the whole world knew that day, when America raises it's voice...it's damned scary.
The islamists better hope that day never comes.
That's not a threat...just plain and simple fact.

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 6:44 PM

@Josephine

Thanks Josephine. I guess I was right to be impressed with that post.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 29, 2006 6:46 PM

bondservant,

What's up with that? Give credit where credit is due.

Posted by: SpongeMom at November 29, 2006 6:54 PM

The Global Jihad's strategy is quite clear by this point:

1) Create an atmosphere of fear.

2) Squash free speech through that fear.

3) Alienate Western democratic governments from their own people through the paranoia surrounding terrorist events and the culture of fear.

4) Alienate the Jews from the world until such time that Israel can be destroyed, especially through "world" bodies like the United Nations and by fermenting anti-Semetism in the West.

5) Squash the will of the American and European people to fight the jihad longterm by using the "Death by 1000 Cuts" strategy in Iraq and wherever else it can be maintained perpetually using martyrs, Al Qaeda, etc. Use terrorism, sectarian violence, open jihad and "good cop, bad cop" strategies.

6) Populate all nations with as many Muslims as possible and slowly usurp their populations, especially in low-Western birth nations throughout Europe. Increase the Muslim birthrate whenever possible and especially marry non-Islamic women and "revert" them as a priority.

7) Lobby for changes to laws in all nations to better serve the jihad through the perpetuation of myths like "Islamophobia." Ally with the far Left to accomplish this whenever prudent. Fabricate and instigate media events in order to sway public opinion also (i.e. the US Airways Imams).

8) "Revert" first the lowliest elements in Western nations like their criminals and ill-educated, then once the "culture of fear" sets in, perpetuate further "reversions" to Islam through political overtures like those used by Ahmadinejad in his letters. Use college campuses, too, and prey upon the young, liberal idealists who are especially ignorant of the teachings of the Qur'an but will quickly drink up the fight for the "enlightened barbarians" from the Middle East.

9) Kill as many of the stubborn "polytheists" that are left over as necessary in order to further the ends of 1-7 and especially #8. Use of WMDs, poisons, outright murder -- as long as the "good cop, bad cop" strategy can be maintained by the ruling Islamic leaders to keep the world entangled in political red tape, it's a fair.

9) Mix well and repeat.

10) Be patient.

11) Islamic victory.

http://www.foehammer.net

Posted by: Foehammer at November 29, 2006 6:55 PM

Uhm, so the bottom line is that I shouldn't worry about paying off that 20 year loan on my house???

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at November 29, 2006 6:57 PM

Ahmadinejad calls Americans to Islam

Regarding this opportunity Mr. Ahmadinejad; kiss my A**!

Posted by: witness at November 29, 2006 6:58 PM

Obviously I do not know who wrote it or I would have, I found it posted on this blog : http://highmindedlunacy.townhall.com/
( and I included the Title of the "excerpt"..I don't know who Hanson is. Thanks for attacking an honest mistake.Shall I put my neck on the block?

Posted by: bondservant at November 29, 2006 7:01 PM

Ynkedoodl2 - I recognized it immediately. Yes, you have good taste in writers.

Posted by: Josephine at November 29, 2006 7:02 PM

Edits:

"fermenting" = fomenting

"it's a fair" = it's all fair

Posted by: Foehammer at November 29, 2006 7:03 PM

Foehammer...

Bingo!
Only fault is a trivial one...

Those are Tactics, not Strategy.
Strategy is the endgame/ultimate goal.
Tactics are the methods used for successful strategy.
(it's ok, it's a common thing 90% mistake)

Munchkins ultimate goal (strategy) is bringing forth the 12th imam, and eventually the mahdi.
HOW he intends to do so (tactics) we are now seeing with his words & actions.

Other than that small tidbit, you scored a direct hit.

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 7:05 PM

Well Sarge...

if a nuke does hit us, forget the "lead" OR "follow" bit, lol.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 7:08 PM

jcom972,
I hope our people don't have to fight "our own" to defend ourselves.
I read about Marines who were quizzed about following orders to shoot Americans if they wouldn't surrender their guns. Supposedly happened at 29 Palms.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 29, 2006 7:08 PM

What are we going to do without all these muslims? You all know we are going to get mad and when we do muslims will be an endangered species. We are all going to have to start blogging about our favorite recipes and who we think the best Nascar driver is or was. Not as much fun as JW but Robert has been at this a long time and could probably use the break.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 7:08 PM

No carolyn...didn't happen...urban legend, lol.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 7:10 PM

jcom972:

Actually tactics are reactionary strategies carried out in real-time, while strategies are "on the table" plans created in advance. But it's all apples and oranges at this point: we both understand each other and some of the things I outlined are most definitely tactics as often as they are strategies on any given day. :)

Posted by: Foehammer at November 29, 2006 7:10 PM

I read about Marines who were quizzed about following orders to shoot Americans if they wouldn't surrender their guns. Supposedly happened at 29 Palms.
Posted by: Carolyn2

Carolyn2, that was probably a lead in to an ethics class and just meant to stir the pot and help the discussion along. The USMC doesn’t want our guns.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 7:12 PM

Somehow, the great Satan has now become home to 'Noble Americans'.

Just too bad we lack leadership with the balls to nuke dar ul Islam in general, and Iran in particular.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 29, 2006 7:14 PM

Wow, foe'...

Two angles of the same basic thing I agree, as both are valid.
(Forgive my nitpickiness...just some stuff drilled into us at USNA-PG Monterey, it kinda stuck with us, lol)

My kudos to you still stand, my good man.

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 7:15 PM

Can we get some Pollonium 210 from our pals the Russkies, and send someone to spray it on the haloed prez of Iran? His transformation should be a sight to behold.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at November 29, 2006 7:15 PM

bondservant,

I guess I'm a stickler for that stuff. If it's not your own words, you should at least post the site where you found it. Otherwise, it appears as if they are your thoughts and words--and to me, it seems sneaky. Normally, if I were with friends I would let it slide out of politeness, but here at JW, I feel that the truth is more imporant than being polite. Know what I mean?

Posted by: SpongeMom at November 29, 2006 7:18 PM

jcom972:

Thanks. I'm just trying to do my small part to save the world. LOL.

Posted by: Foehammer at November 29, 2006 7:18 PM

Foehammer, while you are here I want to ask when you are going to allow more folks to sign up for your blog.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 7:20 PM

@ spongemom,
I agree and I'm sorry if it was taken in a manner it was not intended

Posted by: bondservant at November 29, 2006 7:24 PM

Ronin:

Is there a problem with the comments sign-up at my blog? It wouldn't be the first time. I've been wondering why comments seem to be a thing of the past in the last few months but I've been distracted with other life's challenges until lately. I'll make whatever changes are necessary to encourage more interaction at the Anvil again, so if anyone has suggestions or detects problems I am unaware of about the Blogger sign-up process, feel free to email me. I would appreciate it.

It's time I started addressing that end of things on my blog and quit just posting in a vacuum and trusting the message is getting across. :)

Posted by: Foehammer at November 29, 2006 7:25 PM

Warriors from the dark ages have indeed been allowed to subvert the civilisation that we painfully created over so many centuries.
And yes what is frightening is how easily we have been coerced into accepting the destruction of our own "worthless" culture from within and without.
As we sink futher into the depths of amorality. Islam eagerly fills the gaps left by the awful vacuum we have created.
In truth we have only ourselves to blame for opening the doors to our own destruction. Islam simply does what it has always done - attack the weakest areas of infidel societios it wishes to subvert.
The demonisation of western society from within is the implanting of guilt and shame into our mindset.
The transformation of Israel from a tiny country fighting for its right to survive into a pariah state is the best example of the power of ’soft coercion’ and the manufacture of dissent in Western society.
Because it demonstrates how the manufacture of common sense also can be used to destroy western society values from within.
The mechanics of creation of ‘common sense’ in the totalitarian regimes of Stalin, Nazism, Mao, Pol Pot etc are self evident and are based on violence, intimidation and fear.
The mechanics of the creation of Common ’sense’ in western democracies are far more subtle and take the form of soft coercion that alters mindsets leaving little evidence.
The principle tools are the MSM,the educators and easily motivated dissenting activist groups.
Politically ideological groups are used to disseminate such views (eg multiculturalism) in the effort to render them mainstream.
But before such ideas can be promoted they must be coated with certain key values which are emotionally attractive to the propagators.
These key values often take the form of "humaa rights", "tolerance", "cultural equivalence" etc.
Once this is done they will spread like fire through our society in only a few decades.
When we look at the unbelievable alteration of the left's perception of Israel can we appreciate the awesome this coercion of public opinion.
The demonisation of Israel is but a mere prelude to the self demonisation of western culture. They are as many say "the canaries in the cage" of subversion.
These lessons are snapped up by the Islamists who know they will also work on our own society.

Posted by: chevalier de st george at November 29, 2006 7:30 PM

Foehammer,
I tried to sign up a few times and it would not take, I'll try again soon.

Posted by: Ronin at November 29, 2006 7:30 PM

It's okay. Let's all hold hands now and sing "Kum ba yah." LOL

Posted by: SpongeMom at November 29, 2006 7:31 PM

Respectful greetings from a noble American to the "President" of Iran,

You do not even realize how profoundly your religion has corrupted you. The "perfect" human being that you are expecting will NEVER come because you follow a FALSE prophet that has invented a FALSE god and in the ensuing years his followers have created the strangest religion earth has ever seen and one that is full of murder, mischief and mayhem. This explains why your part of the earth is full of violence and your letter is chock full of lies and distortions. It is not even worth reading. I suggest that until you come to your senses you shouldn't even bother writing such letters.

I will be praying for you and your kind to come out of your mass psychosis.

Posted by: JayFeltz at November 29, 2006 7:33 PM

*phhhhfffttt*

Dammit, Jay!
Ya made me end up with my drink halfway up my nose with that retort! Spilled it all over me & had to change my pants, too. LMAO

Gimme some heads-up before ya pull that one again!

:-D

Posted by: jcom972 at November 29, 2006 7:39 PM

The answer to Ahmadinejad from the American people:

More criminal than Barabbas
Horned like the fallen angels
With Beelzebub you are down there
Fed on garbage and filth
We will not come to your Sabbaths . . .

Continued at

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/10/fear.html

Worth reading. There are more appropriate versions printed there that could not be reproduced in a family-oriented site such as Jihad Watch. Go to the address cited above and scroll down util you get to "IN PLACE OF CRINGING DHIMMITUDE . . . "

Beneath that heading, you will find the "Proposal Of Mehmet IV, Sultan of Constantinople " and the answer to that "The Answer of the Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Sultan of Constantinople."

If you have never read Apollinaire's version of that answer, you owe it to yourself to do so. It is the most fitting reply to an offer from a Moslem--whether to convert or become his dhimmi.

As I said before, more arthy versions of the reply follow Apollinaire's at the "Islamic Danger" site cited above.
http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/10/fear.html

Posted by: unicorns62000 at November 29, 2006 7:42 PM

What part of "NO" doesn't Ahmadinejad understand?

Bite me, Ahmadinejad!

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at November 29, 2006 7:49 PM

I read about Marines who were quizzed about following orders to shoot Americans if they wouldn't surrender their guns. Supposedly happened at 29 Palms

I wish some government flunky would come and quizz me and my neighbors about our willingness to shoot a US Marine who has been ordered to seize our firearms.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2006 8:19 PM

Please allow me to say something positive about President Bush and the GOP:

Not one new gun control law has been enacted nor has one even made it to a committee for debate.
Earlier, I fell victim to what may be an ugly rumor about gun confiscation. After what the cops were doing in New Orleans, I would not be surprised if that kind of thinking is loose in law enforcement circles.

Remember, with the Dhimmicrats in charge, watch out. I just hope that the President can muster the courage to use the veto.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2006 8:34 PM

..home movie of Ahmadinejad as a child, possibly
accounting for his apparent brain damage..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v177/Keeler/dog1.gif

Posted by: Madduck at November 29, 2006 8:47 PM

bondservant,

It was intended.

You gave no indication whatever the essay wasn't your own.

Now this isn't English class, but when I taught English, there was no distinction between intentional and unintentional plagiarism anyway. If I could locate the source passage, your butt was burnt toast.

I might add that there should be no distinction between despicably appropriating a professional writer's stuff and copying a blogger's comments to another blog as your own post. What do you call that, the nitwit defense?

You must be a Mohammedan troll. Muslims take credit for everything, you know. Abdul al-Gore invented the internet and a couple Persian mathematicians conceptualized the zero after counting up all the hot women in their little part of the ummah.

But they're usually content to show that they have no facility for written discourse, and they compose their own posts.

Sorry, but I guess I'm a stickler about this stuff also.

Regards,

HAID

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at November 29, 2006 8:47 PM

pelayo,

Pres. Bush just signed a Federal Act upholding the Second Amendment Rights of American citizens during disasters, which means that no one can take your legally owned firearms during a catastrophe, as was done during Hurricane Katrina.

In the state of Washington where I live, there is a law which states that the state governmenet may seize your firearms during times of emergencies, but now it's overruled since Pres. Bush signed that act recently.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=2466

Hoooray for GW!

Posted by: atheling at November 29, 2006 8:48 PM

Forgive, has not , he, made the call for us to islam already? Are we getting second , or just last call ?

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at November 29, 2006 8:59 PM

Atheling, that was NOT reported in the MSM, I did not know about it probably because my NRA membership expired. I wonder if that is on Pelosi's list of things to undo.

Thanks for the information, you made me feel a whole helluva lot better.

If you get a chance, visit JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP.

http://www.jpfo.org/

They are still carping about the BATF. I have not visited their site for months except now to paste their URL. They act like 9-11 never happened and there is no jihad.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 29, 2006 9:01 PM

Remember those stupid "Im sorry world" pictures that sore Democtats posted after the 2004 election and the "I'm not sorry" pics that were made in response? We need a a website to respond to this. "Americans respond" or something like that Send in photos of you givin the finger to Nut Job.

Posted by: JadeDragoness at November 29, 2006 9:03 PM

Ok, first tell him to grow a full beard. Not the shabby unshaved transvestite look. Two, tell him that he can shove Islam up his ass! Three, offend a prophet of yours, you have offended all of ours! Fatwah on you you stooge! You want us to not offend your prophet? Well respect mine! I hate your prophet and seek an end to his pultry means. You and your religion seeks one response. Stomping your sorry ass in to oblivion! I will fight you to no ends. I will fight you will all the dogs of hell have to offer, you know them well, you speak to Satan.

Posted by: zooboomafoo at November 29, 2006 9:24 PM

Riddle me this fatwah man? How long do you think you will get away with fighting Americans? Pose the Vietnam guestion, and seek the answer of how well are they doing? Not so good. When we withdraw, think of the time when we come back. Even stronger, even more equiped. We took out your enemies, now you are ours. You are next mister fatwah man. Talk is cheap. Bombs are too. Babilon, Jew hating, will get a nuke on your forehead.

Posted by: zooboomafoo at November 29, 2006 9:34 PM

I'm so happy Iran's president called me to Islam. It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

In my colon.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2006 9:38 PM

He's crazy like a fox, that DinnerJacket.

Posted by: Josephine at November 29, 2006 9:44 PM

HAHAHAHA!

What a pathetic parade of lies! We are not as stupid as your average Iranian. Stop hating Jews and Christians. Stop trying to kill people who don't submit to your false religion. Stop lying about your "peaceful" nuclear program that you would never dream of using to create a nuclear bomb. Stop denying the Holocaust ever happened. Stop comparing President Bush to Hitler when your are definitely Hitler's soulmate. Stop trying to get us to distrust our government. Stop trying to take over the world for Allah and oppress all us Christians.

Was this clown actually elected, or was he appointed by the most holy Ayatollah?

I wonder how many innocent people he has personally killed in his past...

Iran stinks.

Posted by: Tookson at November 29, 2006 10:00 PM

I would prefer to eat glass, Mr. Ahmadinejad.

YOU can keep your human sacrifice cult called "Islam" all to yourself. And your murderous, blood-crazed moon-god known as "al-lah".

Adios! Have a rotten life and after-life you mega-b#st*rd!!!!!!

Posted by: pythagoras at November 29, 2006 10:04 PM

chavalier de st. george:

Sweet post! Keep on posting, that really is an excellent summary of some of what is happening in the West. :)

Posted by: Tookson at November 29, 2006 10:08 PM

Ahmad is really stating.....

"Don't say I didn't warn you"

Posted by: champ at November 29, 2006 10:12 PM

Let Ahmadinejad and all the Ayatollahs hold their breath on that.

Posted by: rocky at November 29, 2006 10:18 PM

Bondservant
do not be worried by accusations of Plagiarism - it is a compliment to the insightful writings of Victor Davis Hanson whom i view anyway as one of the true insightful writers of the day.
I once listened to a remarkable BBC radio 4 expose on plagiarism in music.
Andrew Lloyd Weber was in there at number one!
Ask the theatre goers if that takes away from his music!

Posted by: chevalier de st george at November 29, 2006 10:27 PM

To the Iranian president:

Nuts!

Posted by: SalameBoloney at November 29, 2006 10:27 PM

amidinepoo is calling us to convert? Well let's see. Lemme ask the only God of this universe if it would be wise to abandon Him in favor of a religion that advocates a barbariac murderous ideology ... nope, sorry amidinecrapjad, sorry, aint gonna happen- I don't worship false gods. But do please keep writing to us, we need a good laugh every now and again, between screams of your victims that is. http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop at November 29, 2006 10:31 PM

I see that A-Nut's website has that letter too (he finally updated!). You can also leave a comment about it. Looks like you'll have to provide a name and email address (if my interpretation of the form is somewhat correct-that part is in either Arabic or Farsi).
I'm sure he'll quickly dismiss anything unfavorable fast enough.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at November 29, 2006 11:14 PM

TOokson
I believe it is vitally important to understand the root causes of the failure of our society to recognise the subversive war that is being waged against it and its failure to respond.
Failure that are far worse in Great Britain and Europe than they are in "new countries" such as America or Australia.
merely discussing the effects ad infinitum is a vicious circle that leads nowhere.
Don't you?

Posted by: chevalier de st george at November 29, 2006 11:20 PM

Were we not faced with the activities of the US administration in this part of the world and the negative ramifications of those activities on the daily lives of our peoples, coupled with the many wars and calamities caused by the US administration as well as the tragic consequences of US interference in other countries;will answer for tragic interferenceinterference in other countries is the case of the pot calling the kettle blackIran interferes in countries like Lebanon and supplies weapons to terrorist groups all over the Middle East it is shown to be an active party interference in Iraq. In the following quote was letter is laughable
Both greatly value and readily embrace the promotion of human ideals such as compassion, empathy, respect for the rights of human beings, securing justice and equity, and defending the innocent and the weak against oppressors and bullies.
the only human values Iran embraces are those of the people a considered to be human i.e. Muslims. It is obvious that I'm a nut job is trying to make propaganda points with our useful idiots, see how Iran acts as a bully and his religious leaders issue fatwas calling for the death of anyone that they feel insults Iran would call that the echo bully compassion ha! We we just have to look how to the Islamic courts in Iran treat women who are raped or engage in sex and are not married. In the West we not kill woman for committing adultery in Iran they stoned to death now this is compassion I have to wonder what I'm a nut job as a smoking says the Muslim is supposedly cannot drink. And if he is truly defending the week against oppressors and bullieshe would have restrained his own religious police in their actions. One example of how they treat the week in Iran involves on Iranian born naturalized Canadian citizen one that was taken a tortured to death by Iranian police, who attempted for years to pass it off as accident. And if we look at amnesty international records of the conduct by of Iran in regard to human rights we find they have as poor a record that you can find of any country. So I'm a nut jobs entire letter is a pack of lies.

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at November 29, 2006 11:22 PM

* Come into my Lair , said the Spider to the Fly*

Only this Fly can Blow the Spiders Ass to Paradise and Back.

LOL

Posted by: DUGGY at November 29, 2006 11:26 PM

Slightly off topic :

Iranian MPs accuse Canadian embassy of spying

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061129/iran_spying_061129/20061129?hub=TopStories

Being Canadian i would be so proud if this were true.

Posted by: DUGGY at November 29, 2006 11:55 PM

DUGGY,

no surprise there...remember they still are holy hell pissed off at Ambassador Ken (Taylor?) for smuggling out some ofour people during the takeover and they still are out for blood for that one.
(No, we haven't forgotten & we owe ya big for that...^5s)
Face it...you made him (yes, HIM...he was involved) look like an asshat (as if he isn't, still)...that is a slap in the face to islamists "intellect" (aka, EGO)...you get the idea.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 30, 2006 12:04 AM

We do what we can , LOL

Posted by: DUGGY at November 30, 2006 12:07 AM

Here is my answer Big Al is in a song called
"Islam is not for me" This is a must listen !!!

http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/11/islam-not-for-me.html#links

Posted by: Cyberray at November 30, 2006 12:13 AM

I would rather accept death than submit to the Devil, which is what al illah is. Our God does not put demands like these before the Devil worshippers. Also, we are not allowed taqiyya for the sake of protecting ourselves. If it is the only option for us, and no other means of escape or fight is left to us, then we are to honorably go to Jesus Christ. In the words of Thomas More, from "A Man For All Seasons" as he is asked if he wishes to make his confession before his execution and refuses it from the heretic priest, "Are you sure that it is to God you go?" More replies, "I am sure of it. He would not turn away one who is so blythe to go to Him."

However, unlike the Devil worshippers, we do not seek martyrdom. It is, in fact, unseemly to ask for it or seek it out. Rather, it is preferable that we effectively marshall our forces to resist the heathen by skill of arms and by courage. Our actions should be more directed towards the greater good for others than for our own vain glorification.

Posted by: FredIsinglass at November 30, 2006 12:16 AM

Cyberray,

That was great!

Posted by: DUGGY at November 30, 2006 12:18 AM

Chevalier:

Discussing the effects is not a waste of time. In fact, there is no point in decrying the causes if you don't identify the horrible effects.

For example, we can talk about the rampant immorality in American culture compared to relatively few years ago, like the 1970s or 1950s etc. Rampant immorality, loss of conscience, innoculation to violence, dissolution of the nuclear family, are the real problems. What are the causes? How did we get here? What has changed in our government and society to bring this collapse?

The main causes are probably our abandonment of censorship in our entertainments and the miseducation campaign that has become total and universal in American schools. There are other causes.

But it's good to talk about the problems, but then we need to also connect the dots. imho.

Posted by: Tookson at November 30, 2006 12:20 AM

I would like to know how the Muslims can be offended by a statement that is true; Muslims are violent shown by the violance they have participatrd in over the sencuries.

Posted by: Michael at November 30, 2006 12:29 AM

Big Al, Don't piss on the sleeping Giant and Wake him up! You might Not Like what he Does !

http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/11/ahmadinejad-please-come-to-your-senses.html#links

Posted by: Cyberray at November 30, 2006 1:12 AM

What a boring rambling letter. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the President of Iran, is a real nutcase.

His letter will have no impact on us Americans.

Posted by: Johnathan at November 30, 2006 1:52 AM

These kind of rhetorics are going to come at a greater number of frequencies as the US election comes near and near. It is more likely to be a psychological war than the war we usually talk about.

Don't think the Americans are going to listen to this crack case, however, I sure as hell hav en't time for him except on the JW.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 30, 2006 2:29 AM

These kind of rhetorics are going to come at a greater number of frequencies as the US election comes near and near. It is more likely to be a psychological war than the war we usually talk about.

Don't think the Americans are going to listen to this crack case, however, I sure as hell hav en't time for him except on the JW.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 30, 2006 2:29 AM

Based on one article I read, I believe that not only is this site NOT objective, but it is also hate-mongering. Here are my two reasons:

1. The article that I read on this site is entitled : “Ahmadinejad (the Iranian President) calls Americans to Islam”. As if to say that Americans should convert to Islam. The article then continues on to say that this means that if we don’t convert to Islam, Moslems around the world should “seek Allah’s help and fight them”.

The fallacy in this Jihadwatch article is that the title and actual letter does not tell Americans to convert or else they will be killed. First of all the actual CNN title that he quotes is “Ahmadinejad’s letter to Americans.” The body of the letter then seems to be extending an olive branch. Ahmadinejad’s last paragraph even says “I pray to the Almighty to bless the Iranian and American nations and indeed all nations of the world with dignity and success.” I don’t know the Iranian president’s history and his views on Americans but this letter (released today) seems to extend an olive branch to the American people. So why rip the olive branch to shreds?

Another fallacy: First of all, the "call to fight" in the Koran quote is only to kill polytheists. The last time I heard Christians were monotheists. OK, it is wrong to fight people even if they are lowly polytheists ;-). But this wasn’t even in Ahmanidejad’s letter. He didn’t say kill anyone! Why quote Mohamed then? Well to stoke the fire of course. If Mohamed says kill the polytheists, it must mean kill the Christians. Even if it isn’t relevant to the letter, it will stoke the fire.

The irony is that the writer chose to quote Muhammad who also happens to have similar quotes in the Bible.
Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

Exodus 22:20 "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

The only point Amahdinejad’s letter makes that might make Americans pissed is he says "Is there not a better approach to governance? Is it not possible to put wealth and power in the service of peace, stability, prosperity and the happiness of all peoples through a commitment to justice and respect for the rights of all nations, instead of aggression and war?"

But isn’t this a question that many Americans are already asking? I think this is shown by Bush’s current popularity rating.

2. The other reason why I think this site is biased and hate mongering is that if you read the comments that readers have posted, not a single one of them has noticed the writer’s hate mongering manipulation. All they have to say is "F?$*& them. I’m not converting to Islam!!!"

I’ve read many blogs and a good blog is one that is objective and whose readership comments are a mixture of opinions. Not this one-sided hurrah.

If the owner of this blog, who also wrote the article I read showed a little more objectivity, I might consider reading this site.

Posted by: mmbuzi at November 30, 2006 3:09 AM

Based on one article I read, I believe that not only is this site NOT objective, but it is also hate-mongering. Here are my two reasons:

Try reading this site every day for a month instead of making such a rash assumption from one article. You might even learn something but I won't hold my breath on that.

Posted by: dms at November 30, 2006 3:25 AM

Yes, his Almighty may not be our Almighty but at least he is wishing us well. What's wrong with that? Bush says "May God Bless America" and he is, I hope wishing it on the Jews, Muslims, Hindus and Buddishts in this country.

And when you say that Islam is not a legitimate religion, just what do you mean by that? That Judaism and Buddhism and all the others aren't legit? Every religion is legit, my friend. We may not agree with their beliefs but I think our own Constitution says something about "the right to religion". It does not say "the right to religion, but not Islam".

Also, please answer my point about the points of views of all the comments here.

Haha, I may have written my last response because the EULA on this blog says that the owners have the right to remove my comments if I'm annoying. LOL, it'll be funny if my comments are removed. Hurrah for free speech, eh?

Posted by: mmbuzi at November 30, 2006 3:36 AM

dms wrote: Try reading this site every day for a month instead of making such a rash assumption from one article.

You're right dms. I'll take you up on that. In fact, I just read the latest article "Iran issues death fatwa on Azeri writer" - and it's a good article.

Fatwa's are wrong. I would have retracted my original position about Ahmanijebad's letter but note that the Fatwa was from a Cleric who I completely agree is wrong.

Posted by: mmbuzi at November 30, 2006 3:40 AM

mmbuzi
This site has been in existance for a little over two years now and most who post here have taken it upon themselves become knowledgeable about islam, the middle east and related subjects. I suggest you do the same so you can catch up. I could suggest 10 or 15 books to start with including any of Mr. Spencer's books. You might want to begin by reading the Koran if you can get through it without becoming really disgusted as I did.

Posted by: dms at November 30, 2006 4:09 AM

Sorry, I mean't to say three years.

Posted by: dms at November 30, 2006 4:25 AM

Thanks dms. I just read Robert Spencer's biography and I actually am relieved to read his Q&A. I actually believe in a lot of what he says including equality for women, and ending jihads and violence. It's just sad that his site has become a haven for hate mongering. I see the "nuke all Muslim" messages everywhere but I see no one telling them - "no, no, no, that is not the message of this site".

At least when I go to other sites, I see the hate mongering but I also see people telling them to calm down and chill out.

I would encourage Mr Spencer to rebutt a lot of these people and set them on the right track. Otherwise, this site WILL be labeled as a haven for anti Islamists and not anti-Jihad.

Posted by: mmbuzi at November 30, 2006 4:31 AM

Mmbuzi:

This IS a site for anti-Islamists, and proudly so, primarily because most posters believe in human rights and free speech, which are clearly anathema to Muslims. Obviously, most posters here know much more about Islam than you do, so let's stop playing "cute" with the other posters about "olive branches" and other propaganda generated by the nut job in Iran. You would do better to spend your time learning a bit about Islam from objective and educated sources than calling people "hate mongers" on this site. Personally, I think you are a Muslim trying to be provocative here. No matter how much propaganda your types try to dish out, I bet it's pretty disheartening to see how anti-dhimmi people on JW/DW really are. And imagine: this is only a SMALL group of people who post, and hardly represents the VERY MUCH larger population out there that feels just like we do. Keep it up, it will only make the resolve (and truth) more evident.

Posted by: Pershing at November 30, 2006 6:42 AM

Throughout the recorded Islamic history, it is documented how Islamic leaders offer peace to others only to come back later and slay and enslave all who stand in front of them.

As in horse racing, a track record is being established. If you want to place a bet, it is in your best interest to study the track records. I am not betting on Islam as Islam has established a most disturbing track record.

We may listen to what Muslims say, but we are learning how to interpret what they mean. Lies and Deceit are Islamic mainstays. No matter how flowery it sounds or how patently alluring the words appear, we know the sounds of a requeim when we hear it.

A call to Islam is actually a veiled death threat. Just ask the millions of people who have died in Muslim countries over the centuries of Muslim Rule only because they did not want to convert to Islam. Islam has never changed since the days of Mo's caravan raids.

Islam has destroyed every country it has taken over. Where in the world do you find the highest incidences of violence, lowest income levels, lowest education levels, fewest freedoms, worst dressed people on the planet and the mindless mindset of the countries population. HINT: Look for any country led by bearded , finger pointing , foul mouthed and hateful Islamic clerics.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at November 30, 2006 7:28 AM

mmbuzi,
I would like to start your training with the opportunity to actually read that 'little something' about freedom of religion in the United States Constitution.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."
When you said "OUR" Constitution, that was the one you meant, yes?
If you Google it, you will find it goes on to talk about free speech and congregating with like thinking people without fearing for your safety.
"We have a saying, "I diasgree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it".
I guess thats kind of an American Fatwad.

Posted by: auntbea at November 30, 2006 7:33 AM

Mmbuzi;
Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

The quote from Revelations is GOD's commandement to Angels in Heaven. They are not American Citizens so this does not apply.

God must be LOL

Posted by: auntbea at November 30, 2006 7:41 AM

exsgtbrown,

"Throughout the recorded Islamic history, it is documented how Islamic leaders offer peace to others only to come back later and slay and enslave all who stand in front of them.

As in horse racing, a track record is being established. If you want to place a bet, it is in your best interest to study the track records. I am not betting on Islam as Islam has established a most disturbing track record.

We may listen to what Muslims say, but we are learning how to interpret what they mean. Lies and Deceit are Islamic mainstays. No matter how flowery it sounds or how patently alluring the words appear, we know the sounds of a requeim when we hear it.

A call to Islam is actually a veiled death threat. Just ask the millions of people who have died in Muslim countries over the centuries of Muslim Rule only because they did not want to convert to Islam. Islam has never changed since the days of Mo's caravan raids.

Islam has destroyed every country it has taken over. Where in the world do you find the highest incidences of violence, lowest income levels, lowest education levels, fewest freedoms, worst dressed people on the planet and the mindless mindset of the countries population. HINT: Look for any country led by bearded , finger pointing , foul mouthed and hateful Islamic clerics."

Goes to show what "god" the Islamofacists worship and it is NOT the God of the Holy Bible.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 30, 2006 7:44 AM

My answer: NUTS!

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 30, 2006 7:51 AM

Cyberray:

Yes, ‘Islam Is Not For Me’, is a very funny and apropos. However and unless I missed something, the songs true origin (to my knowledge) is from the Islamic Comicbook website and; as far as I was able to tell from the French, ‘Major Tom’ did not properly sight his source. Just thought I would set the record straight – credit where credit is due. Regards

Posted by: descendantofacrusader at November 30, 2006 8:44 AM

So, LORD VACUUM BRAIN already dictates to us as though we have no minds of our own! Well, I may not be the most intelligent person on the planet, but I've got far more sense than this CLOWN apparently assumes. Maybe he could talk a LONG walk off a SHORT PLANK - sigh - there's much to be championed about the good ole days!

Posted by: LilOleMissy at November 30, 2006 9:02 AM

Allow me to quote two very top notch statesmen on the political stage, one that was once on the American stage, and the other who was (and hopefully will be again) on the International Stage. Former US Congressman Zel Miller was quote as saying that if you have a snake infiltrating your garden, you have to chop off it's head before it reproduces (expands), and destroys all around it.....and Former Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has been frequently quoted as saying that Achmedeenijad needs to be "stopped" by any means necessary...Translation, let's do it to him before he does it to us....Mr. Iranian President, you have worn out your welcome...You need to be eliminated from the face of the earth, and your evil religion desperately needs reformed, if not removed also....Choose your next address to America carefully, for it may be your last!....

Posted by: Oiznop at November 30, 2006 9:16 AM

I would like to welcome all of Iran's jihadis to my neck of the woods. I have many fine examples of Mr Remington's and Col Colt's devices. They are oiled, ready and unregistered.

My murderous tendencies aside, Robert is a fine source of what the "true" face of Islam is all about. There are others of course, but he seems to be the most eloquent. The veracity of his work is proved by the unbridled hatred it evokes in the muslim population. The truth hurts and infuriates.

As for our milktoast government and it's lack of cojones, it is far easier to appease than to oppose. They will do nothing (except protect their own worthless backsides). It will ultimately be up to the citizens to do the job. Remember, the revolutionary war was actually fought by about 5% of the fighting age male population. The rest sat on the sidelines and waited till the dust settled. It will always be that way. The few will do the work of many. Keep your guns oiled and ready...we will have to rise to the task yet again. Doubt it not, this is a war of annihilation and it WILL be fought on the streets of America at some point.

Posted by: Sixgun at November 30, 2006 9:32 AM

Islam does not treat Christians or Jews as "people of the book"

Qur'an 9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low." [Another translation says:] "pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection."

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 30, 2006 10:38 AM

Where can I get a tee shirt that reads "BRING BACK THE CRUSADES"?

Also, do you think that if we all went down and re-registered as independents regardless of whether we are republicans or democrats it would send a message to politicians of just how fed up we are?

Posted by: dms at November 30, 2006 11:41 AM

Haid
As I stated before, I posted the flippin title of the article at the beginning - The Dark Ages - live from the Middle East! , got that! That's the title of the article. Any flippin idiot can goggle the title and find it all over the internet, which I did after your vile diatrib. I guess you think I'm just a complete idiot, but I guess that's better then the outright liar you have called me. Also your comment that I'm a Mohammedan troll, well that's a real rationally thought out conclusion, yes a Muslim troll posts anti-Muslim stuff.

Posted by: bondservant at November 30, 2006 11:53 AM

I was joking about your being a Muslim troll, as my subsequent jocular statements show.

But, yes, I think you're a complete idiot.

Regards,

HAID

Posted by: Haid Dasalami at November 30, 2006 2:56 PM

mmbuzi above had some concerns about the views of some posters on this site.

Above all you need to understand the bottom line on islam.....either you convert to it or be subservient to it or be Killed.

So dont be fooled by statements from IAmJihad.

Research what he says in his own country, when not on CNN.

Posted by: sounder at November 30, 2006 3:38 PM

TheOmegaMan wrote "My answer: NUTS!"

I hope we don't get to the point of having to use that reply under circumstances similar to when it was used 6 decades ago....

Posted by: malm at November 30, 2006 3:46 PM

@bondservant-

I was the one who thought you wrote the article and thanked you. When I found out you just posted it, I didn't get all worked up. I thought, maybe you forgot to grab the URL or the author's name. I took a Christian approach and didn't let a little thing worry me.

Why anyone is worrying about it now, is beyond me.

LET IT GO! LET IT GO!

Sheesh! We have more important things to worry about.

Please don't let name calling bother you.

You apologized. That's enough for anyone, but a stupid Muslim which I KNOW YOU ARE NOT!

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at November 30, 2006 4:25 PM

ok, for those of you who think I'm a "Muslim Troll". I'm not. I'm Catholic but definitely not practicing - in fact I'm more of an Atheist/Agnostic.

And for those who are into conspiracy theorists.. ok here goes - Screw Mohamed, OK. I couldn't give a horses ass for that pedophile. What I give a horses ass about is peace in this country. Yes, there are millions of Muslims in this country and we can't get rid of all of them. The more you push your hate on them, the more they will hate you back. The moderate Muslims will become radicalized so then there is one more person to worry about.

Face it folks, a lot of these Muslims in our country are hard working, peace loving and patriotic. A few or maybe even many of them DO sympathize with the Jihadis though they may not participate. But if we continue to label every Muslim as a bearded son of a goat, then all you people with guns oiled SHOULD get ready. It seems like that's what you want anyway, right?

And for the record - I don't like the religion of Islam for many of the educated points brought up here - Equality for women, Dhimmi's, Religious states and all that other crap that they do.

I just choose peace over war. Constructive debate vs. hate mongering. Really that's it.

Posted by: mmbuzi at November 30, 2006 7:00 PM

"You apologized. That's enough for anyone..."
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2

bondservant - It's enough for me, too. You made a mistake and you apologized. In my books, that takes a certain amount of courage.

Posted by: Josephine at November 30, 2006 7:45 PM

Hmmm...ok, I'll bite...

You sounds like a masquerading SPindymedia wonk, but I;'ll give ya the benefit of the doubt for now...

We DO have peace in this country (absence of armed conflict)...unless your definition of peace is the same as karl marx/islamists (absence of opposition to their cause). That comment is misleading.

We do NOT "want it anyway" as far as arming against islamists and other enemies of our country...we do not sit around the dining table plotting out evil ways to make others lives bad, contrary to the kook fringe websites innuendos...it may be what THEY do, but we're a little too busy working and supporting the welfare wombats and miscellaneous illegals who should be here in the first place...we compain about them because we pay the taxes to support their a(fannies)s, thus have a right to.
We do not object to anyone coming here legally and assimilating into our system, we DO object to anyone coming here from their own hellhole country and claim to tell us WE'RE wrong about anything...but what pisses us off worse than anything- anyone coming to tell us what WE are thinking when they have no CLUE what we are thinking, as if to answer it for us, as the same kook fringe mentally projectionistic websites do ad nauseum day after day, week after week...just like you attempted to masquerade with that last entry of yours.
You aren't fooling anyone...so save it. We get this stuff from mikie-the-moore-on and his ilk with the same intensity.

If we REALLY wanted to, We CAN "get rid of" ANYONE (I posted the stats in another thread= 200 million+ registered gun owners, most active or former military & know how to use them, 425 million registered guns, only a few million muslims, do the math, so if we really wanted to we could do it overnight)...if we choose to pursue such a thing, but it's draconian and unacceptable to the radicals here, as well as the Chamberlain-esque "ewww, ohhhh, we must have peace" crowd.
Peace, and peace by appeasement are two radically different things. It's moronically futile to expect us all to hold hands, dance around the almighty phallus worhsipping gaia singing kumbaya-it just isn't going to happen.
We are NOT going to appease, especially people who VOW to KILL us.

MOST muslims here are NOT "patriotic", but they are at least sensible enough to know not to pull the same lunacy as in their home countries, especially since they're not majorities here (it WILL be different if they DO become majorities).
Yes, most of them work hard, support their families, and all that...we couldn't care less about them, but we do worry about their eerie silence in the matter.

Your take on the muslims here is not accurate at all, and reflect the same talking points of the kook fringe websites I speak of...they do NOT get hostile to us only after we get hostile to them- it's the other way around...classic projectionism.
(see Michelle Malkins article: "lights! camera! projection!")
Their silence is deafening, their open hostility in our own country is blatant and unmistakable (supported by the very same kook fringe websites who echo their talking points)...the list is endless.

I don't like islamic fascism myself, but I also know (we all seem to keep dancing around the issue on this, regardless of how we feel about islam in general), Islam in general, MUST undergo a reform if it is to survive, and be accepted by the rest of the world as any form of "religion of peace"...many muslims DO try and practice peacefulness, here and abroad, but most do not, and they did have this mentality long before 9/11, long before westerners did anything to them, and especially (public record) 300 years before the word "crusade" was ever even considered or conceived.

While your heart may be in the right place, your data is grossely faulty, thus your head is not in the right place...
Again, as per Judge Judys adage:
"Don't pee on my leg & tell me it's raining."
It's not a right-wing, left-wing thing...it's not a democrat-republican thing, it's not a tory-labour thing...it is however the direct and absolute opposite of political correctness:
COMMON SENSE.

Sic vis pacem, Parabellum...

...and I haven't even scratched the surface of it.

;-)

Posted by: jcom972 at November 30, 2006 7:48 PM

"I just choose peace over war. Constructive debate vs. hate mongering. Really that's it."

I take it then, mmbuzi, that should it ever come to it, that you will renounce your atheism/agnosticism in the name of peace and safety, rather than fight for your right to disagree with Islam.

Gee, you're really pathetic...

Posted by: yohannbiimu at November 30, 2006 7:53 PM

By the way, in case you're wondering...

I too am Roman Catholic, barely practicing.
I don't hate moslems, or anyone of any other religion, or anyone in particular...but...
...I DO, however, hate what I was forced to become, because of some of them...namely islamic fascists, and people like you who fall for that absurdity so easily.

Posted by: jcom972 at November 30, 2006 7:54 PM

shia state of iran is a joke. ahmedinejad with his imam-worshipping cult of shiasm is a joke. i am a ahle sunnah muslim and DISASSOCIATE MYSELF FROM SHIA CULT AND THEIR FAKE ISLAMIC STATE

these people play taqiyya (deception). they kill muslims, r enemies of islam and in no wya represent islam.

Posted by: Khilafah at December 1, 2006 12:22 AM

[Posted by: yohannbiimu I take it then, mmbuzi, that should it ever come to it, that you will renounce your atheism/agnosticism in the name of peace and safety, rather than fight for your right to disagree with Islam.]

When it comes down to it, I will fight whoever it is that is attacking my country and I do disagree with Islam - I agree that Christianity is the better religion - but it doesn't mean that I have to hate every Muslim out there. For the same reason that Muslim's shouldn't hate every Christian out there. But it hasn't "come down to it". There is still hope and that hope is being squashed by both sides of fanaticism (Christians and Muslims)

[Posted by jcom972: ... I don't hate moslems, or anyone of any other religion, or anyone in particular...but...
...I DO, however, hate what I was forced to become, because of some of them...namely islamic fascists, and people like you who fall for that absurdity so easily.]

Jcom972, you got eveything right. I agree with you. I hate Islamic fascists but I also hate Christian fascists. You are wrong though about me "falling for that absurdity". Trust me, if I have a neighbor who I suspect of terrorism, I will keep an eye on them and report them. I'll even shoot them if I have to (yes, I have a gun). I just can't assume that evey Muslim is guilty. Yes, I am more vigilant when I meet a Muslim but I can't in good conscience condemn them as a terrorist without some sort of intelligent observation. It's just wrong. Haven't we learned from the Japanese concentration camps and McCarthyism (sp?)?

Are we in the clear now?

Posted by: mmbuzi at December 1, 2006 3:11 AM

I wonder how things might turn out if:

Robert Spencer et al actually began censoring or, better still, began rewriting the comments found in these threads, all the better to soothe the delicate senses of Moslems everywhere...?

To find out, just pick up the latest revision of any history textbook anywhere in the Western world. Then read any of Robert's books. Why the huge disparity? I own a rather large collection of 19th century books dealing with the (now called) Middle East. It is NOT pleasant reading! And it NO where offers a flattering image of what were then called the "irrascible, belligerent and hopelessly illogical Mohammedans". [Quote available, circa 1850 AD] This exact argument comes via some 30 volumes, by different authors (including Mark Twain), published by houses in England, France and the USA at a time when the Mohommedans posed no real physical threat to the safety or well-being of the citizens of the Judeo-Christian (Western) world. To add weight to this, hunt down some of the quotables of Winston Churchill, as he elucidates on his experiences with those self-same Mohammedans...

So, to mmbuzi and other, like-minded "concerned citizens" who would dearly love to swallow the silken words of a master diplomat (read LIAR!), I would say: Better that those who know... speak the truth of their knowing with words, for if not words...then what? A literal sea of glass?

Please consider that the vigorous language adopted by some of the posters to Jihad Watch offers some compensation for the abject cowardice of what should now be called the PIMSM - pro-Islamic Main Stream Media. A dying breed... I hope.

"And out of His mouth there issued a two-edged sword, which is the Word of God." No mincing of words here! Islam shall be sliced into small pieces by the Sword of the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ, who never was and never can be a "prophet of Allah". Peace be unto you... maybe.

Posted by: maranatha50 at December 1, 2006 3:26 AM

This has been making the rounds in email - I don't know who the author is.

In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, He said:

"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in ... And how many want out."

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom

Posted by: CGW at December 1, 2006 4:35 AM

To mmbuzi:
Keep in mind what Robert Spencer says about the comments here:

Comments
(Note: Comments on articles are unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Jihad Watch or Robert Spencer. Comments that are off-topic, offensive, slanderous, or otherwise annoying may be summarily deleted. However, the fact that particular comments remain on the site IN NO WAY constitutes an endorsement by Robert Spencer of the views expressed therein.)

Posted by: traeh at December 1, 2006 5:13 AM

mmbuzi:
I agree with you about the need to treat Muslims as individuals, and I realize that some significant percentage of them are innocent. It's in many ways a peculiarly Christian thing, I think, to focus more on the individual more than on the group.

At the same time, however, the broad masses of Muslims who apparently would not consider engaging in terrorism themselves, are not protesting in large numbers the jihad and Sharia parts of Islam. I recall a Muslim rally not long ago against terrorism, and a very tiny number of Muslims showed up. So even if many Muslims are innocent, that isn't quite sufficient anymore. If terrorists went around murdering people in a dozen countries in the name of Christianity, there would be HUGE protests by millions or tens of millions of Christians against that. In fact it's pretty absurd to hypothesize "Christian" terrorism on anything like the scale of Islamic terror. Due to Islamic terror, thousands around the globe have died since after 9/11.

It's also necessary to keep in mind the results of polls of Muslims. Polls indicate that something like half of United Kingdom Muslims, for example, believe that Western society is decadent and should be brought to an end. Most of that half do not believe in ending the West violently, but they do believe in Sharia law, and demographic trends may allow them, via democracy, to end democracy and impose Sharia in Britain before the century is out. Bye bye religious freedom. Polls also indicate that some 6 percent of U.K. Muslims do support violent terrorism in the U.K. 1 percent of U.K. Muslims -- that means about 16,000 people -- are "willing, even eager" to actually themselves engage in terrorism in the U.K.

It's not quite correct to speak as though "Christian fascism" and "Islamic fascism" were the same danger. The main figure of the New Testament made numerous statements that have led, over the centuries, to an increasing separation of Church and State. Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, etc. Muhammad, however, became Caesar. And in many other respects, authoritarianism is part and parcel of Islam. The same simply cannot be said of Christianity. If you go to Freedomhouse.org, and look at the stats there on civil liberties and political rights in every nation in the world, you will find that the group of Muslim-majority countries is the most backward in the world in terms of civil liberties and political rights.

You perhaps already know a large part of what I've said in this post, but I wanted to say it just in case.

But in my opinion, Robert's work is on a whole different plane from that of the commenters here. Focus on what he says, not on what we say. He doesn't necessarily endorse anything we say. He doesn't have time to monitor all the comments.

Posted by: traeh at December 1, 2006 5:49 AM

I guess my comment about keeping your guns oiled was misunderstood as is usually the case. But, before I address that thought, let me make another point.

Robert Spencer is a scholar. His writings and musings are probably well researched and thought out before he makes them. This in and of itself is unique. Most