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November 30, 2006

Fitzgerald: The world is against them

Hanif Malik, an Islamic leader in Britain, said some time ago: “Yes, everyone agrees the Muslim leaders must be more pro-active in fighting radical thought. But it's just empty words when Muslims feel the world is against them.”

The world is against them? One may be able to swallow this if one does not dwell on all those passages that preach Jihad and the need for Islam to spread and for Muslims to dominate, or if one does not pay attention to all those passages that inculcate hatred of Infidels that are all over the Qur'an. One may accept this if no attention is paid to how non-Muslims -- no matter how disparate they might be, whether Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Confucians -- have historically been treated wherever Muslims have had the upper hand.

Yet those Infidels have allowed Muslims by the millions into their countries. This creates an essentially immiscible, un-integrable population, a permanent security and societal threat. This creates a presence that makes the lives of those indigenous Infidels not full of some "rich diversity" that would otherwise not exist, but rather far more unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous than they would otherwise be, and precisely unpleasant, expensive, and dangerous in proportion to the size of the local Muslim population. Well, that does not appear to me to be a sign that "the world is against them."

Far from it. "The world" has swallowed whole Muslim propaganda or Muslim acts everywhere. The genocide against Christians, the "Jihad" in southern Nigeria that led to the declaration of an independent Biafra, did not lead to any expression of Christian solidarity. No one came to Biafra's aid, or even recognized a free Biafra (where Christian villagers were strafed by Egyptian pilots), save for Israel and Ghana. That was in 1967-1969, and even today the army of Nigeria acts as an occupying force in Ibo lands. The Arab Muslim genocide, conducted on clear Islamic grounds and prompted by the Muslim texts, that has led to the slow-motion murder of largely helpless Christian and animist black Africans in the southern Sudan and which took place over 20 years, has only now, and only thanks to efforts by private Christian groups, received some attention.

In the Balkans, no one in the Western world even began to understand the fears of the Serbs. Even today no government in the West has analyzed carefully what Izetbegovic threatened, and which helped push fearful Serbs into supporting the awful Milosevic. Today, no one does a thing about the Muslim destruction of ancient Orthodox churches, or the mass expulsions of Serbs. The Serbs are "bad" and the Muslims are "good" -- or at least "the persecuted ones" are. That seems to be an immutable article of faith. It is nonsense.

In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindus are persecuted, expropriated, beaten to death.

In Thailand the Muslims attack Buddhist monks, teachers, farmers, and the world appears to think that it is the "policies" of the former Thai government that are at fault. But matters have scarcely improved so far under the rule of the new Muslim leader.

In Indonesia, Muslims massacred in the 1960s 600,000 ethnic, but non-Muslim, Chinese. It was presented as a pre-emptive strike on "Communist fifth columnists." The world chose to believe that. In East Timor, which was illegally seized by the Indonesians from the Portuguese, one-third of the East Timorese population – Christians -- were killed until rescued by the Australian army. In the Moluccas, in Sulawesi, churches by the thousands have been destroyed (see the reports of the Barnabas Fund). Christians are being murdered, as are other non-Muslims.

In Pakistan, Christian schools and churches are bombed.

In India, in Indian-held Kashmir or in Delhi itself, nothing is safe from Muslim attack -- the temple at Ayodhya, the Parliament building in Delhi.

As for Israel, its entire history has been one of fighting off a Jihad.

And yet these Muslims persist in their belief that "the whole world is against them."

What the Muslims in question really mean is that it is extremely irksome to have to accommodate Infidels, Infidel laws, Infidel arrogance (meaning: refusal to give up, at least right away or on the fast-track schedule that Muslims think only right). These are for those Muslims all reasons to deplore the situation, to attack, to demand changes, to demand special recognition, to threaten, to attack. Yes, it all fits the world-view that Islam inculcates, that the model of Muhammad offers, that the Hadith support, that the Qur'an itself requires.

Why should anyone be surprised? These "angry" and "frustrated" Muslims are acting naturally. And so far the taqiyya-and-kitman "moderates" only attempt to retain their own position in society, and to deflect Infidel attention. For they know, or suspect, that the Muslims are not yet strong enough, the time is not right, and it was very silly of Bin Laden and others to strike in such a way so soon -- for things were going so swimmingly without the need for any terrorism whatsoever.

And that is the problem. For if there are no terrorist acts, will Infidels cease to educate themselves about Islam and let down their guards -- which, by the way, are hardly up at all? The mental inertia, the impulse not to find out too much, or to make sense of too much, for fear of what it might do to your own equanimity, is strong. But it has to be overcome -- not by everyone, but by enough people to put up a fight, to resist. And resistance does not mean only, or mainly, girding on body armor and marching off to Iraq.

It means a thousand things.

Posted by Hugh at November 30, 2006 10:00 AM
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The Muslim world is undergirded by fear, humiliation, and ignorance. For good reason. The West, in other words the free and more civilized humans, is watching through the rear-view mirror Muslims eating its dust. And they don't like it but they don't have the collective ability and belief-system to do much about it. No one goes to Muslim countries to innovate, educate, build, create, etc.

So, they lash out and try to put a stranglehold on the free world via terror, propaganda, threat, and obscene, by Western standards, acts of horror.

At some point the West will stop fighting amongst itself regarding "victim-hood" and big, bad America, and focus its collective ire on where it should be, the Muslim world. But its probably going to take another 9/11 to do so.

Posted by: gordo [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:16 AM

"Poor poor pitiful me" The Jews and others are conspiring against the 1.2 billion strong (and growing!!!!) Muslim Ummah

Posted by: dennisw [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:17 AM

Disembowelled and murdered for teaching girls

Thursday November 30, 2006
By Kim Sengupta

GHAZNI - The gunmen came at night to drag Mohammed Halim away from his home, in front of his crying children and his wife begging for mercy.

The 46-year-old schoolteacher tried to reassure his family that he would return safely.

But his life was over.

He was partly disemboweled and then torn apart with his arms and legs tied to motorbikes. The remains were put on display as a warning to others against defying Taleban orders to stop educating girls.

Halim is one of four teachers killed in rapid succession by the Islamists at Ghazni, a strategic point on the routes from Kabul to the south and east which has become the scene of fierce clashes between the Taleban and United States and Afghan forces.

full story here
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=500838&ObjectID=10413099

When there are no condemnation and bold actions from Muslims against this religious insanity of an ideology then the world must turn against it. Yes, ALL!!!

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:17 AM

Brilliantly articulated as usual, Hugh. Every point rock solid and on the mark. Sadly, the things Muslims do outside Iraq and Palestine rarely get reported here in the US. People act shocked when I tell them what's going on in Thailand, the Phillipines, Indonesia, etc., etc.

Far too many people here believe it's only about Iraq and Palestine, when it's about our right and desire not to be Muslims or subjugated by them. That's what drives these Muslim nut cases, well, nuts.

Posted by: Proud Infidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:20 AM

Good thing Hugh limited himself to jsut the atrocities committed by Islam in the last 100 years-if he went back to the beginning he'd be writing for hours on end.

And that is why "the world is against them". Islam has an unspoken bloodlust built into it-it's as if these people can't help but be violent.If the world is against them they need look no further than Mr. Perfect. If you emulate someone like him you're bound to make enemies-most people don't sit still when their head is about to be cut off. If Islam wants respect it had better quit glorifying all the worst aspects of Mo-the lying, the killing, the raping, the stealing-most of the world rightly views these things as evil-and concentrate on the few good things Mo had to offer. Otherwise, Islam will leave the world no choice but to wipe it out for the good of mankind. Muslim reformers, step forward now. You've had 1400 years to reform Islam. The world is still waiting-but not for much longer.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:30 AM

Really though , we are cruel to muslims...especially those who regard the west as
a toilet...we force them to live here...NOT !
Dear paedophile lover , you are FREE TO LEAVE
ANYTIME !

Posted by: aladdinsane57 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:30 AM

Hugh,
Aladdinsane57,

Good points! I don't recall any Mideastern Muslims being forced to live here!

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:39 AM

Hugh-

Brilliant. Truth. It's becoming a nightmare for Muslim believers to hear and read the truth everywhere. They will wake-up from the nightmare when they accept the unpleasant facts-truth that non-believers see with regard to their belief-system. For things to change they must change.

Posted by: Frank [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:41 AM

What about this? My hairs stood straight -

Christians must 'let go' some beliefs for sake of peace, theologian says

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

"We are not going to get very far in our relationship with Jews or Muslims if we do not let go of this idea," Lipscomb professor Lee Camp said at Tuesday's conference.

The unusual gathering of several dozen clergy and lay people was devoted to resolving religious conflict in Nashville and around the world.

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

Co-sponsored by the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University, the daylong conference was prompted by a desire to begin a dialogue about global religious conflict.

After five years of rising gas prices, disturbing privacy issues that followed the Sept. 11 attacks and the fear of terrorism, it became apparent that everyday life in Nashville is directly affected by religious conflicts in the Middle East and elsewhere, conference organizers said.

"We felt like the larger community is calling for this," said Larry Bridgesmith, executive director of Lipscomb's newly established Institute for Conflict Management.

full story here
http://www.thetennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/NEWS06/611290429

So we have to bow down before the donkeys or as the scripture says.

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers."


Pleeeaaase can anyone send them to Iraq, Afghanistan or the south of Thailand. Sure they have the solution and to proof by themselves first.

***shakes head***

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:43 AM

The phrase:

"when Muslims feel the world is against them."

What a textbook example of the psychological manipulation of language that Islam practices.

Posted by: Report [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 10:51 AM

Janet Daly, in a recent article, also wants to see that moderate muslims stand up and be counted and confront the extremists, and be part of the country they are in. She, like countless others, who are pleading the same from moderate muslims, have to ask themselves - what they intend to do, if no such compliance comes.

Unless one makes a failure to comply with the law of the land as a deportable offence, all such pleas are of no avail. Moreover, even compliance to pleas carries no guarantee that a future generation will not go back to their good old Islamic ways, once they are regarded as 'pure' British or Western.

Hate to say it, but there is no other way but to encourage repatriation as a first step, followed by more a coercive policy.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:05 AM

Arnie,

Thanks for the great articles! I've posted them on my site (with credit to you, of course)

Cheers,

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com

Posted by: Doctor Bulldog [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:11 AM

"In Pakistan and Bangladesh Hindus are persecuted, expropriated, beaten to death"

One of the genocides that we often overlook is the genocide of 1971, perpetrated by the Muslim Pakistani army in Bangladesh - the worst aspect of this is that it was essentially pre-planned....

See http://www.gendercide.org/case_bangladesh.html for more details...

But a brief description is as follows:
"The mass killings in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) in 1971 vie with the annihilation of the Soviet POWs, the holocaust against the Jews, and the genocide in Rwanda as the most concentrated act of genocide in the twentieth century. In an attempt to crush forces seeking independence for East Pakistan, the West Pakistani military regime unleashed a systematic campaign of mass murder which aimed at killing millions of Bengalis, and likely succeeded in doing so"

Please note that before the genocide happened, a Pakistani general declared his intentions clearly:
""Kill three million of them," said President Yahya Khan at the February conference, "and the rest will eat out of our hands." (Robert Payne, Massacre [1972], p. 50.)"

3 million people or thereabouts in 267 days...

Posted by: AJack [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:14 AM

From a posting above: As for Israel, its entire history has been one of fighting off a Jihad.

The real tragedy is that Israelis, with all they have been through, still do not see, that there can never be peace for them in Israel. It is Jihad and it will continue against them till Judgement Day. Only enlargement of Israel will make them safer - giving up land for peace is the exact the reverse what they should do, and will make the Jihad come closer. Peace for Isreal, as understood in the conventional sense, is simply not on.

I just do not see how some 50% of Isrealis and a large section of Jews around the world, still believe of peace with Arabs. Considering that the Jews have been the first victims of Islam, from the time of Mohammed even, and then a continuous persecution through history, this amounts to denial of reality of the clinical sort.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:19 AM

Saudi Arabia's biggest export is not oil, it's islam!

Posted by: americaningermany at November 30, 2006 11:09 AM

Sure seems like it. And the price we pay for that
"product" is far more than what we overpay for oil.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:24 AM

aladdinsane57 posted: Dear paedophile lover , you are FREE TO LEAVE ANYTIME !

I dont think they will ever take up that option.

We can look forward to ever diminishing freedoms, more intrusive laws that negate our hard fought freedoms, and ever increasing Jihad against the West from within. 'Moderate' Muslims will never be on our side, or confront the 'extremists', as they are the beneficiaries of the success of the Jihad.

Posted by: DP111 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 11:38 AM

The truth is, and it is a dirty little secret, the Muslims fear a much more growing Christian faith that is taking off in the global south. Africa, Latin America, and Asia is seeing a lot of growth of new believers. Even mainland China is seeing a boom in new Christians as more realized there is more to life then making a ton of money and support the communist party. Christianity is going thru a boom time in the global south and these countries will end up sending missionaries to the west to re-Christianized.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 12:10 PM

Oh, my. The poor, poor, downtrodden Muslims.

The world isn't against them yet, but many of us are working to correct that.

I don't suppose anyone would believe me that I'm fighting Islam because it's a peaceful religion, would they?

(I didn't think so, but it's amazing that so many Muslims would like us to believe that.)

I'd love to turn the clock back 10 years to when I was completely ignorant of the realties facing us from the Middle East, the truth about the teachings of Muhammad and the written words in the Koran, but that's never going to happen. I'm sorry, but the jihad works in mysterious ways -- and resurrecting crusaders seems to one of them. What the hell do Muslims expect? We aren't all fools and cowards and dhimmis in the West.

(And don't keep trying to feed me this "radical" Islam garbage, CAIR, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, Reuters, the White House, Tony Blair and everyone else. Daddy didn't raise a fool.)

Posted by: Foehammer [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 12:23 PM

The answer to the question: is the whole world against islam? Is "not yet."

Posted by: Seymour Paine [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 12:51 PM

Lol- 'the world is against them' Yeah- just as the article above- they began their campaign of terror LONG before anyone was 'against them'! Long before we decided to do something about it. Who was 'against them' then? They're such lying jerks- They are the ones against everyone else! http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 1:16 PM

The double speak and twisted logic of islam.
Their so called prophet sets them against the rest of humanity and then they wonder why "we are against them"

Yes we are and all the links below show how things are developing amongst us Infidels.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=7779

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=7779


http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/main.php?g2_itemId=2747

http://www.google.com/custom?q=india&cof=LW%3A283%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagemag.com%2Fimages%2Ffp_index_logo.gif%3BLH%3A91%3BAH%3Aleft%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontpagemag.com%3BAWFID%3A9edb6131425a5b04%3B&domains=frontpagemag.com&sitesearch=frontpagemag.com

Israel and India

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=9736

Long may it continue

Posted by: apostate_islam [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 1:59 PM
"Scream you're abused! Shout you're oppressed! The world is wrong, you're right! If you say it loud enough and often enough, they'll believe you."

-- "Why We Fight," Frank Capra, 1942


Playing the victim isn't a new gambit. But then, as now, it took the West a long time to wake up to the fact that it was being lied to by the most dangerous liars of all--the paranoid ones who half-believe their own lies.
Posted by: Steven L. [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 2:06 PM

John Esposito's Head is Up His Ass!

Read the following and note how Esposito draws a conclusion that flatly contradicts the data:

Published: November 25, 2006

In “What Makes a Muslim Radical?” in Foreign Policy magazine, John Esposito, a professor of religion at Georgetown University, and Dalia Mogahed, executive director of Muslim studies for the Gallup Organization, summarize the conclusions on a new Gallup World Poll based on more than 9,000 interviews in nine Muslim countries.

Because terrorists often hijack Islamic precepts for their own ends, pundits and politicians in the West sometimes portray Islam as a religion of terrorism. They often charge that religious fervor triggers radical and violent views. But the data say otherwise: There is no significant difference in religiosity between moderates and radicals. In fact, radicals are no more likely to attend religious services regularly than are moderates. ...

It’s no secret that many in the Muslim world suffer from crippling poverty and lack of education. But are radicals any poorer than their fellow Muslims? We found the opposite: There is indeed a key difference between radicals and moderates when it comes to income and education, but it is the radicals who earn more and who stay in school longer. ...

Whenever a suicide bomber completes a deadly mission, the act is often attributed to hopelessness — the inability to find a job, earn a living, or support a family. But the politically radical are not more “hopeless” than the mainstream. More radicals expressed satisfaction with their financial situation and quality of life than their moderate counterparts, and a majority of them expected to be better off in the years to come.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 2:33 PM

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university. (From above article)

I read this article over on Bulldog's site. I'm cofused, have I missed some news about a Christian/Jew conflict?
Ah-ma-nut-jab seemed to indicate there was some not-so-hidden hatred going on in his letter yesterday.

From personal experience I know that many Westerners are misinformed, ignorant, and in some cases downright afraid of Jews. But for the most part I think this idea that there is animosity is more Islamic subterfuge.

As for the suggestion that we give up a basic tenet of Christianity to live peacefully with Muslems. Ain't gonna happen.
I see absolutly no reason to buy the idea that giving of part of my belief would make for better relations with a group(muslems)that refuses to give up ideas that are so barabaric as to defy belief that they are being uttered and acted upon in the 21st century.

Even if you read the Bible as fiction. The final chapter reads like a Tom Clancey novel about the world today. I think the phrase is 'Life imitates art.' And if you have some inkling that you are a Christian (even a backsliding one like me) you start thinking that maybe you should put some thought into which side you are going to be on when this battle comes down. The book also says who wins.

I refuse to believe that a group of people, no matter how large a group,that condones by words or by inaction tearing a teacher apart with moterbikes for the crime of teaching girls, is going to win.

Posted by: auntbea [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 3:01 PM

"We are not going to get very far in our relationship with Jews or Muslims if we do not let go of this idea," Lipscomb professor Lee Camp said at Tuesday's conference.


Listen UP you dhimwit "professor" Quisling:

The JEWS have much worse things to deal with than your childish concepts about their relations with you!

What they need in their relations with us "Christians" is OUR SUPPORT, you ASSHAT!

WE do NOT need to let go of anything MORE you TRAITOR!! We've let go of plenty enough already!!!

Great.. all i have to read is this foolishness and I am about to yell at someone...

I was in a good mood until just about NOW!!!!!

Where do these pompous and dangerously ignorant bastards get off with their arrogant and self-congratulatory "conferences"???

Conference THIS, prof!!!! My middle finger in YOUR FACE!!!

Sorry for the rant guys and gals.. this one is really a stellar achievement in PC Dhimmitude.

Posted by: germaninamerica [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 30, 2006 7:09 PM

That is interesting. Pig races against mosques. At least people are standing up against the threats. - Enjoy - and attend the pig races when you're near there.

(11/29/06 - KTRK/KATY, TX) - There's an awful lot of exciting news when you round the corner on Baker Road. One of two big yellow signs announces a new neighbor is coming soon.


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K.I.A., that's the Katy Islamic Association, plan to build a mosque here.

"It's not an appropriate place to have a mosque or church," said resident Barbara Simpson.

It isn't going over real well.

"As a house of worship, they shouldn't be disturbing the peace and tranquility of 15 homes," said resident John Wetmore.

Neighbors tell us they're concerned about traffic and drainage and a little fear of the unknown. Some of the homeowners even offered to buy the land back for more than a million dollars. The K.I.A. doesn't seem very interested in the offers.

"We're not going anywhere," said Katy Islamic Association member Alvi Muzfar.

So it seems the community at the end of Baker Road has a pretty good fight. But this fight has gone much farther than many between two neighbors. You see in these fights, sometimes neighbors throw mud at one another. In this instance, they're wallowing in it.

Craig Baker owns pigs. He's the guy behind the second big yellow sign on Baker Road. That's the one announcing Friday night pig races.

"What does it matter, I can do whatever I want with my land right," asked landowner Craig Baker.

Sure can. But aren't pigs on the property line racing on a Friday night a little offensive to a Muslim neighbor?

"The meat of a pig is prohibited in the religion of Islam," said Katy Islamic Association member Youssof Allam. "It's looked upon as a dirty creature."

Yeah, there's that and also that Friday night is a Muslim holy day.

"That is definitely a slap in the face," said Allam..

Now before you go thinking Craig Baker is unfair, or full of hate, or somehow racist, hear him out.

Baker has long roots here. His family named the road and when the new neighbors moved in, he tells us, they asked him to move out.

"Basically that I should package up my family and my business and find a place elsewhere," said Baker. "That's ridiculous, they just bought the place one week prior and he's telling me I should think about leaving."
That new owners deny they ever said anything like that, but Baker isn't budging.


Baker admits the pigs are a message he is not leaving.

The 11-acre property is sandwiched between a pricey subdivision and Craig Baker's business.

K.I.A. eventually plans to build a mosque, a gym and a school there. There's no date for the groundbreaking ceremonies, or the first pig race.
(Copyright © 2006, KTRK-TV)

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=4808968

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 1, 2006 3:12 AM

I am in tears about that poor teacher. His poor family.

Posted by: practical witch [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 1, 2006 2:59 PM

Hugh, Like Robert we can always depend on you to bring an intellegent discussion.
I cannot for the life of me understand why they think the whole world is against them, could it be the millions of people they are slaughering world wide, or the girls they gang rape, or the trouble they cause in their lands of adoption,, nah, of course it cant be...

Posted by: Gaye [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2006 2:56 AM

Let me get this straight, the terrorise, rape, torture, slaughter many thousands every year, take over areas, wont be our friends, and they feel the world is against them.” oh the poor dears...

Remeember that they are allowed to go to war as a defensive against the enemy, (the infidel), and they feel that we hate them... Does this mean that they are drumming up the need to go to war against us????

Posted by: Gaye [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2006 3:10 AM

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