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Imagine how convenient it would have been for Muhammad Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari and the rest of them on 9/11 if they had had access to a place like this. They would have had a a nice Muslims-only room where they could gather and arrange their boxcutters and other necessary materials in peace, go over details of strategy -- and get in their final prayers. Now that would have been thoughtful airport service. By Patrick Condon for AP, with thanks to JS:
Airport officials said Friday they will consider setting aside a private area for prayer and meditation at the request of imams concerned about the removal of six Muslim clerics from a US Airways flight last week.Steve Wareham, director of Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, said other airports have "meditation rooms" used for prayers or by passengers who simply need quiet time.
A group of Somali clerics met with airport officials Friday and said they would attract less attention if they had a private area for prayer. Devout Muslims pray five times daily, facing the holy city of Mecca.
"When we pray, we don't want a problem. We don't want what happened last week," said Abdulrehman Hersi, an imam at Darul-Quba mosque in Minneapolis, referring to six clerics who were barred from a US Airways flight in Minneapolis after drawing the concern of some passengers.
Airports in Nashville, Tenn.; Columbus, Ohio; and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., all advertise meditation rooms. Fort Lauderdale's is billed as "For travelers seeking a quiet time." All note they are nonsectarian.
Posted by Robert at December 2, 2006 3:17 PM
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We have a prayer room at Sydney airport. I wonder if anyone can use it or it has to be Mulsims only.
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at December 2, 2006 3:26 PM
nonsectarian..but I bet it will only be muslims using them. Also in Islam you CAN pray quietly in your head, in your seat while travelling according to a local cleric who was on Newstalk CFRB 1010 here in toronto as a caller very early in the morning. Something I already knew from long ago at a junior high school trip. A muslim boy was quiet beside me during the bustrip while everybody was singing (this is grade 8) when I asked him why he said he was 'praying'.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 2, 2006 3:30 PM
We want a prayer room.
We want our own Muslim prayer room.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca with separate facilities for men and women.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca with separate facilities for men and women with Muslim only bathrooms adjacent for ceremonial washing.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca with separate facilities for men and women with Muslim only bathrooms adjacent for ceremonial washing with long-term storage lockers so we don't have to transport our prayer rugs.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca with separate facilities for men and women with Muslim only bathrooms adjacent for ceremonial washing with long-term storage lockers so we don't have to transport our prayer rugs with a halal food court with Muslim only employees.
We want our own Muslim prayer room that faces Mecca with separate facilities for men and women with Muslim only bathrooms adjacent for ceremonial washing with long-term storage lockers so we don't have to transport our prayer rugs with a halal food court with Muslim only employees and a separate entrance with Muslim only screeners...
... and no video or audio surveillance.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 2, 2006 3:38 PM
when will people wake up and see how these ingrates muslims have become, let them go back to their cesspoolstan where they can pray five times a day.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 2, 2006 3:42 PM
Concerned Citizen,
That is so true! It's the camel sticking his nose in the tent, just waiting to get his whole body inside.
If I see a "prayer room" when traveling at any airport now, I'll be sure to stick my head in there and give a big "Praise Jesus!" shout.
Posted by: SpongeMom at December 2, 2006 3:42 PM
Following the "flying imans incident", the other shoe has predictably dropped......
Aiports that have the space and economic wherewithall should give consideration to creating special, non-sectarian spaces for prayer/meditation for airline passengers. This should probably fall into the category of a "nice-to-have" as opposed to being mandatory. Last I heard, silent prayer was still approved for most all religions and permitted everywhere -even in Saudi Arabia.
Prayer rooms for Muslim-only passenger use should absolutely not be on the table for the simple reason that this would create a huge precedent that would be wasteful and unnecessary.
OHara
Posted by: OHara at December 2, 2006 3:43 PM
And we want muslims back in their lands of origin.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 2, 2006 3:52 PM
Congregating followers of the 'religion of peace' into a single location is not such a bad idea, really, if it could be outfitted with explosive sniffers and other appropriate surveillance, though it is doubtful that those planning attacks would want to identify themselves by visiting such a room.
Posted by: Mr. Slugworth at December 2, 2006 4:11 PM
Oh, great... Soon they'll have their own private Flyer's Club rooms and then it will just go on and on from there... Grrrrr
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Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at December 2, 2006 4:15 PM
Nice one SpongeMom! I'll do the same.
Posted by: Paul at December 2, 2006 4:18 PM
Let them demonstrate that famous Muslim tolerance instead, by using the same prayer facilities as everyone else does. Most airports have a non-denominational chapel don't they. If a mosque is good enough for a Pope to pray in, I would think a corresponding non-Moslem facility should do for them.
Posted by: templar at December 2, 2006 4:30 PM
Concerned Citizen, very well put. They will also want their own planes, their own airports, own cities, OUR countries.
Their true colours are showing every time they open their big, loud, immature mouths.
I thought they didn't believe in having visible signs, and idols of their faith etc. With mosques sprouting up like mushrooms, loudspeakers blaring in all directions, I would call that idol worship.
With all the energy that they are wasting in complaining, protest marches every Friday like clockwork, and killing innocents, they should turn within, into the depth of their dark hearts, and shed some light there. They may even find peace - maybe.
Posted by: freetoBEfree at December 2, 2006 4:35 PM
And up here in canada Dr.Elmasry is still allowed to spew his hatred for the west and post outright lies that incite young muslims to Jihad
as we saw this past June when 17 Muslims were rounded up and one as young as 13 and a female now is linked to it as well.
Amazing how every time there is a massive slughter of civilians by muslims outside of North America we have Islamic org.'s right here coming up with new alleged Islamophobia or racial profiling rants as if to deflect the media to see Muslims as victims.
The article below is from the CIC website and i only copied the first part that has the overt lies , first off Elmasry fails to point out that the 23 Muslims removed from canada were illegals with expired Visas and fake ID and passports , they were arrested because as non-Citizens and illegals they are detained until they can be sent back, plus there were 19 and not 23 of them , the RCMP rounded up close to 30 illegals and 19 were Sunni/male/pakistanis/students on forged papers.
As for Mr.Arar , CAIR coached him to not help canada uncover a terror cell in a Ottawa Mosque
and just after refusing to help he fled canada with his family and then tried to enter the USA by himself from Tunisia as a Syrian/Canadian on a canadian passport , Arar was denied entry to the USA and only Jordan would take him in , Syria is alleged to have tortured him for being a draft dodgers and fleeing to canada as a refugee .
Elmasry has spewed lies for so long now and yet demand our Hate-laws be used to silence people he doesn't agree with.
For Elmasry to use a 1920 USA criminal case is pretty void of any foundation for Islamophobia
and oppression in canada, Muslim refugees have a better standard of living than some citizens
because they bilk the Social services relate to refugees.
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CIC websiteL:
Within the first 100 days after September 11, 2001 Canadian Muslims witnessed in disbelief as measure after measure was initiated to severely curtail and compromise their civil liberties.
They were posted on no-fly lists (without notice); and many found themselves (again without notice) on no-passport lists. Some were mistakenly arrested, released, then deported -- as happened to the 23 Muslim students captured in August 2003 as part of Operation Thread, and sent to India and Pakistan; their futures are now ruined. Still others, like Maher Arar, were detained without charge (some for years), and sent by Canadian authorities to complicit Muslim countries to be tortured.
All this and more has happened to Canadian Muslims against a backdrop of anti-Islam hate propaganda perpetrated by the corporate media, by government agencies like CSIS, RCMP and the Canadian Forces, and by politicians.
It is more important than ever for Canadian Muslims to understand this environment historically in order to survive it and hopefully change the cyclic fear and bigotry that feeds it; for the hate wave they are being subjected to now is not new and is not about to end soon.
In this regard, Muslims and all Canadians should revisit the tragic true story of Nicola Sacco and Bartolomeo Vanzetti, two Italian Americans who were framed in a murder case in 1920 and later executed after a trial by jury.
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A weasel by any other name is still a weasel.
at December 2, 2006 4:39 PM
Ah yes, the whole strategy now falls into place. Organise concessions like this and you've established a very important principle. After that, it's simply a matter of adding to it - and, of course, it will be harder and harder to say 'no, this has gone far enough' because the precedent, the principle has been established. So, these are the 'bridges' the imams had been discussing at their conference. Has anyone else noticed how the demand for muslim prayer rooms is becoming very widespread now? Let's not be complacent, there are some very fine minds behind this colonisation by stealth.
It's truly amazing what a trojan horse can achieve.
Posted by: Malta_1565 at December 2, 2006 4:40 PM
A prayer room so Muslims say their prayers?! You can't even display a creche on puclic property at Christmas time, say a prayer at a high school comencement ceremony, display the ten commandments on a courthouse lawn. And airport officials are going to provide Muslims with a prayer room?
I suppose if an Iiinfidel Christian ((or god forbid, a Jew) tries to use the prayer room at the same time a Muslim is praying to his Allah, they'll be prosecuted for violating the Muslims civil rights.
at December 2, 2006 4:40 PM
No, we should not allow Islamists to begin their physical takeover of our airports. They do not need the prayer room. The end. No Muslim prayer rooms.
Posted by: Abby at December 2, 2006 4:50 PM
If you want a prayer room – go to a mosque
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room – go back to your homeland
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca – go live wherever mecca is
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca with separate facilities – see point above
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca with separate facilities for washing –
Are you suggesting separate facilities for everyone? Black, White, Indian, Chinese, Mexican?
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca with separate facilities for washing and with storage for prayer rugs – life much be a bitch travelling around with those prayer rugs, I can see why you would want storage
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca with separate facilities for washing and with storage for prayer rugs with food served by muslims only of course – I repeat, go back to your homeland
If you want it to be a muslim prayer room that faces mecca with separate facilities for washing and with storage for prayer rugs with food served by muslims with muslim screeners for the separate entrance – I say, maybe everyone should start boycotting your businesses if you are going to spout such a hateful bs....
at December 2, 2006 5:01 PM
Minneapolis has a beautiful airport with lots of restaurants and stores. If the Muslims want a room, they can RENT one.
Posted by: limes at December 2, 2006 5:11 PM
Hopefully they will place the muslim prayer room at a location so the imams and company have to walk across the main runway.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at December 2, 2006 5:13 PM
Nothing Muslims do or ask for is EVER non-sectarian or non-discriminatory towards non-Muslims. Believe us. AND--- You can all bet dollars to donuts out there that this Islamic prayer area will be the beginning of an Islamic hijacking of America's travel industry and more violence heading for our jetliners.
I wonder what's next????? AN EXECUTIVE HIJACKERS' LOUNGE????????
Americans NEVER made a dumber mistake than to let Islam onto their territory.
And it may be the last mistake they ever get to make.
Posted by: pythagoras at December 2, 2006 5:20 PM
The airports never learn from each other, apparently. Here the Paris airport says that prayer rooms facilitate Islamic radicals and gets rid of the prayer rooms and 70 radicals, yet now Minneapolis wants to set up Muslim prayer rooms (i.e. locker rooms for the Muslim national sports of hijacking and terrorism) in their airport:
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article1948224.ece
excerpt:
Paris airport strips 70 Muslim staff of security clearance...staff quarters were festooned with secret prayer rooms and that the airport was prey to Islamist infiltration.
at December 2, 2006 5:22 PM
I prayed at airports and airplanes. The airports in Turkey have prayer rooms for Muslims but I didn't see any in the ones in the West. Brussels for example had rooms for different Chritstians (Eastern Orthodox and Catholic, if I remember correctly). I simply try to find a quiet corner to put my prayer rug for a couple of minutes. The prayers are shortened during travel, but NO, we cannot prayer sitting silently in our seat(That'a only for one school of Islam). So, (with the kind help of a flight attendant) I ask the flight engineer about the location of the plane and the direction we're heading. Then I calculate the direction of Mecca and pray in the kitchen area. (I heard that British Airways actually marked the place for the rug.) Once we even prayed in congregation with a Saudi on board, whose only cabin baggage was his rug. (The blond guy who was sitting next to him had looked at him and said only two words over the whole Atlantic: "Oh, F*ck!") -Sorry for the language...
The funny thing is that, the only time we get told to pray in our seats is on Turkish Airlines!...
I guess it was two years ago, I saw a bunch of hasidic Jews in Istanbul airport; they had formed some sort of a circle and were praying loudly. I thought of calling the police, for they were disturbing everybody by the noise they were making, but hey, we hadn't reserved a praying place for them to pray, so I shut up (just as you guys should, when you see a Muslim praying silently in some corner).
at December 2, 2006 5:43 PM
Everyone here is missing the real point. Prayer is not mandatory for Muslims while traveling. If they weren't, the streets of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia would be empty during prayer times. Been there, and I have not seen a noticeable drop in traffic.
NO PRAYER ROOMS IN AIRPORTS. If they do not like it, they can boycot the airports.
Posted by: jay at December 2, 2006 5:57 PM
pythagorus posted: Americans NEVER made a dumber mistake than to let Islam onto their territory.
I've said the same. Allowing Muslims into the West is the biggest mistake the West has made in history. Why oh why was such a mistake ever made? Did'nt our political elites read any history, Churchill, Adam Smith, John Wesley, Chesterton, and other philosophers and writers?
These politicians with their self-satisfied sanctimonius liberal agendas will pass on, but leave future generations with ever decreasing freedoms, and an ever increasing intensity of Jihad from within.
at December 2, 2006 6:02 PM
Oben d'Imishte. no one cares if you pray on the floor on board an aircraft or standing on your head. These so-called clerics caused a ruckus on board, they were loud, rude, and acted stupid when asked to modify their behavior. I have seen muslims in airports pray and only once have I seen anyone react to it. I stepped right over ones head once because he chose the middle of the hallway and I wanted through. Was I wrong? Although he seemed angry, I did apologize explained to him that maybe he should do that somewhere else and that was that.
This issue has many sides. If they call it a “prayer room” the anti religious nut jobs will demand it closed, if they call it a “muslim prayer room” other religions would demand one and rightfully so. If they call it a “mediation area” it is open to anyone and you might be forced to pray while someone else mediates over the latest maxim magazine. There are other concerns, who pays to build, watch, clean, control these areas? No, planes and airports have been around a long, long time why do you want a separate area now? This is part of a bigger agenda and you know it.
Posted by: Ronin at December 2, 2006 6:04 PM
Why should I be politically correct? Why must I respect them? Why is it okay to insult Christians and Jews in the media?
A simple cartoon spawns deaths and riots. LAME! I am sick of this. THIS IS WHAT I HATE!! Read your history! The Western Roman Empire could not control it's borders. The Western Roman Empire couldn't raise an army. In the end, they went without a fight. Sound familiar????
My beloved Europe is going fast. France is already gone. All over England and Ireland, mosques are appearing far too quickly. Italy and Spain don't have the will to fight. They are destroying Western Civilization thru immigration. Why can we not discuss this? As soon as we do, the media calls us rascists! I HATE THAT!
Funny how the whole world hates the Yanks. It is strange. Say what you want about George; however, without the Yanks....The World falls. So, I will support the Americans. I truly do not hold out much hope for Western Civilization. I WILL NEVER KNEEL IN A MOSQUE!!!
Posted by: LouRusso at December 2, 2006 6:07 PM
This proves that islam isn't a religion and praying to allah isn't praying at all. It is an arrogant display of blasphemy (much as those of the ancient pharisees, praying loudly in public, thinking this made them appear more righteous)and a display of colosal ignorance, intended to intimidate others.........
God is not deaf; He can hear your prayers even if offered silently, because the Holy Spirit sees that He does.
Stop Islam Now!!! acronyn = SIN
Posted by: n.a. palm at December 2, 2006 6:18 PM
hey if they want their mecca rooms at the ariports, we all know what rooms will be bugged, but its a show of control, they just love to be the death of the party these wild and crazy muslims lol.. if l walked upon a room, l would laugh out loud and being a women would send them over board. laughing would so.. yeah their favourite word "humilating" for them. and let the sniffer dogs in these rooms, probably pick up bomb making material.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 2, 2006 6:18 PM
Most all US airports have non denomination chapels if that is good enough for us it is good enough for them.
Posted by: Ronin at December 2, 2006 6:23 PM
Obviously the Islamic community needs a Mosque in every U.S. airport which will be private and nonbelievers will not be allowed to enter. These will be used in the U.S. just as they are in Iraq, as places to store weapons and ammunition to kill nonbelievers and Crusaders. I look forward to hearing the call to prayers five times a day over the airport loudspeakers.
Posted by: Laker at December 2, 2006 6:26 PM
Muslims Seek Prayer Room at Airport (*-
By Muslims, could be used as 'Aircraft Hijack Consolidation Room'. Don't think it should be given any serious consideration.
at December 2, 2006 6:30 PM
I checked the online map of Minneapolis-St.Paul Int'l, and they don't have a "chapel" of any kind (those are actually quite common at a number of larger airports, including in new/refurbished terminals).
But if there had been such a facility, would the imams have used it? Unlikely, as they seemed chiefly concerned with making a spectacle of themselves-- for example, shouting "Allah!," as witnesses described-- alongside the rest of their bizarre and suspicious behavior (sitting in unassigned seats, requesting seat belt extenders, etc.).
Now, many members of the travelling public can quote some choice words regarding the practice of praying with the primary aim of being seen: "They have received their reward."
But the imams and and their backers are opportunistically looking to see what else they can squeeze out of the affair, whether a general "meditation" room that they probably wouldn't have used anyway, or a Muslim-only area, which for reasons related both to national security and Brown v. Board of Education, is out of the question.
Posted by: MarisolJW at December 2, 2006 6:51 PM
I agree to a "prayer room" on the following conditions: it is monitored, it is airtight and it is equipped with a system to introduce gas should anything suspicious take place in there.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 2, 2006 7:13 PM
i found them a room
http://www.baddesigns.com/mens.html
Posted by: ConnecticutBruce at December 2, 2006 7:45 PM
Since these rooms are on public property; and in public airports; and funded by public money; I have every intention of entering these areas and eating pork chops or anything made of pork.
If I am denied access to these public areas now allocated to muslims only; I will sue the airport and the city in which the airports exist for denial of my right to public access as well as infringing upon my civil rights.
CAIR -- see you in court!
Posted by: witness at December 2, 2006 8:05 PM
Concerned Citizen - Well said!
I believe in equal rights. I do not believe in special rights for one particular group.
If an airport provides a prayer room for Muslims only, I doubt that it would be legally permitted to bug the room.
This reminds me of the recent article about the Muslim students taking over the multi-faith prayer room at Ryerson College (or is it Ryerson University now?).
Posted by: Josephine at December 2, 2006 8:12 PM
I have travelled extensively in Muslim countries (including war zones)and have never seen huge amounts of people involved in noisy prayer practices at airports. To me this looks like it was staged to provoke a reaction for political purposes. Especially when the other behavior and history of some of these individuals is taken into account. Now we see the purpose - demonstrations of "outrage" and demands for special "prayer rooms". It would be a grave error to concede this. Its a path down a never ending road of complaints and requests for "special treatment" for the militant muslim population which leads to disaster. I'm from the UK originally, I know whereof I speak. If you want to know where these concessions lead look at my original home. Or look at France for that matter. Concession after concession made to the point of politically correct lunacy. The reward? -innocent people blown to bits last year in London. "No go" areas in France with "intifadas" and burning cars every month. Dont be fooled by this manipulation of our sense of fairness and acceptance. We are NOT required to tolerate this stuff on a personal basis if there is even the SLIGHTEST suggestion of suspicious behaviour or threat to our safety when we are flying. Not these days. Nor do we need to provide special "concessions" to people who insist on behaving like this. Let them change to accomodate OUR norms (yes WE, the majority of regular Americans DO have cultural norms). That way there is no danger of us "misunderstanding" through our "cultural ignorance".
I would have demanded they be kicked off my flight or I would have flown with somebody else.
US Airways done the correct thing and I aplaud them.
at December 2, 2006 8:53 PM
I have a great location for these holies to pray-the tarmac. Right now it's 10 degrees in the Caliphate of Minnesota so I wouldn't have any problems with this at all.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 2, 2006 10:10 PM
Hey Muslims- it wasn't the prayers that threw people for a loop- it was the TERRORIST LIKE ACTIVITY- just thought ya might like to knowe- Pray away anywhere you like- we could care less- but let's leave the 'death to America' rhetoric out of the prayers, huh? Makes peopel nervous ya know! http://sacredscoop.com
Posted by: CottShop at December 2, 2006 10:41 PM
"A group of Somali clerics met with airport officials Friday and said they would attract less attention if they had a private area for prayer. ... When we pray, we don't want a problem".
Aaawww. Now isn't that sweet of them to be so thoughtful and sensitve. Interested how moderate and tolerant they are when they can get another special privelege out of the deal.
Posted by: templar at December 2, 2006 11:25 PM
It makes me so mad to hear about the US importing Somali muslims, especially imams. What the HELL is going on at the State Department?!? (it the SD who grants green cards outside the US). How can they ever justify importing potential terrorists into the US?????
Posted by: george_rem at December 2, 2006 11:35 PM
No other religion has ever made demands like this.
It is going way too far.
There is no equality any more. Its their way or nothing.
Recently I stayed in a city hotel and not even a Gideon's bible any more. They have already taken them out of hospitals down here in OZ.
Although I am not religious I was outraged!
I just read they now want a muslim football team!
So much for integration.
(If it weren't for this site I would go nuts. And it is really great to see new names all the time.)
Posted by: Gramfan at December 2, 2006 11:46 PM
A muslim prayer rrom at the airport--How asinine does it get? Can we have a chapel and synagogue too?
Sean Hannity offered common sense on this one--tell the muslims to either schedule their flights at times that don't call for the meccan howls. Or option B is for them to rent a room at a hotel and do there praying there.
As for the facts on the US Airways expulsion of the imams--I invite JW bloggers to read the account of Pauline Klemmer--an eyewitness to the events as they happened. Her account is on http://www.debbieschlussel.com. (story--USAir Flt. 300 Passenger Pauline Klemmer Tells the Real Story on the Flying Imams). Ms. Klemmer starts out by writing:
"Having been on the plane, witnessed what transpired first hand and talked at great length with the first class steward regarding other facts, I am "ENRAGED" at the national AND local news reports I have seen this morning."
This whole thing has the look, feel and smell of a set up. Read Klemmer's account if you can. Warning--It will make you mad(der).
Posted by: BB at December 2, 2006 11:50 PM
I have always thought it was kinda funny when someone would tell me they were going to fly to such and such place. I would tell them it was easier to take an airplane.
I don't pray in airports, and I don't ride in airplanes. I have not been in an airplane since 1994 and hope to never be in one again. I really feel for you folks who are compelled to travel by air.
Posted by: Pelayo at December 3, 2006 12:04 AM
this is a great idea, a salah(prayer)room in airport. i don't travel much but i 'd like one anyway, just in case
so SO-CALLED islamophibics do not get scared again
i am telling u if it was me getting kicked out i would totally REALLY terrorize the airplane by screaming and causing much disturbance because it is discrimination
this is what i like about this web site, it doesn't hate extremists muslims or terrorism crap it JUST HATES PLAIN SIMPLE REAL ISLAM, u do not hide it.
at December 3, 2006 12:33 AM
Khilafah: I dont hate you. I actually am *for* airport mosques, and for anything that sets muslims apart from Americans. Yes, I am from sharia, honor killings, the burka, and genital mutilation in the muslim community and for muslim-only neighborhoods. See, I am on your side, not a hater at all.
Posted by: george_rem at December 3, 2006 12:52 AM
There are many other public locations where Muslims may find themselves during prayer-time besides airports. What about:
Shopping malls?
Movie theaters?
Sports Arenas?
Court Houses?
Public Parks?
The Department of Motor Vehicles?
etc. etc.
If we start with airports, where will it end?
at December 3, 2006 1:02 AM
I prayed at airports and airplanes. The airports in Turkey have prayer rooms for Muslims but I didn't see any in the ones in the West. Brussels for example had rooms for different Chritstians (Eastern Orthodox and Catholic, if I remember correctly). I simply try to find a quiet corner to put my prayer rug for a couple of minutes. The prayers are shortened during travel, but NO, we cannot prayer sitting silently in our seat(That'a only for one school of Islam). So, (with the kind help of a flight attendant) I ask the flight engineer about the location of the plane and the direction we're heading. Then I calculate the direction of Mecca and pray in the kitchen area. (I heard that British Airways actually marked the place for the rug.) Once we even prayed in congregation with a Saudi on board, whose only cabin baggage was his rug. (The blond guy who was sitting next to him had looked at him and said only two words over the whole Atlantic: "Oh, F*ck!") -Sorry for the language...
The funny thing is that, the only time we get told to pray in our seats is on Turkish Airlines!...
I guess it was two years ago, I saw a bunch of hasidic Jews in Istanbul airport; they had formed some sort of a circle and were praying loudly. I thought of calling the police, for they were disturbing everybody by the noise they were making, but hey, we hadn't reserved a praying place for them to pray, so I shut up (just as you guys should, when you see a Muslim praying silently in some corner).
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte
Oben d'Imishte sir your attitude is commendable but read the police report there is a leak somewhere on jihad watch that will let you read it clearly shows from any witnesses that these leaders of your religion did in fact act in a disruptive manner requested seatbelt extensionsthey they did not need and two of them took seats in first class and all of them had been prebooked by other passengers basically are very disruptive and under FAA rules the pilot in command at the right to remove any passengers there being disruptive it does not matter what their doing or whether religin they are.
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 3, 2006 1:26 AM
americaningermany
thanks for that.
Sadly it is no surprise:(((((
Every day this just gets worse and worse.
This really needs drastic measures and I am not optimistic.
Posted by: Gramfan at December 3, 2006 6:34 AM
I work for a (actually, the largest) chemical company and we are currently working on several joint venture projects in the Middle East. When we started on the first project, we designated an empty office as a 'prayer room', presumerably so that visitors would have a place to go and pray. I am Jewish and we also pray 3X a day but I was never offered a designated place to use for this purpose.
Posted by: sheiknbake4pork at December 3, 2006 8:22 AM
No other group has ever been so demanding and pushy. What utter nonsense an idea of a "prayer room" at an airport is. Wasn't it not long ago one of these were closed down at Charles de Gaulle airport for security reasons?
Let's see if Christians, Jews and others could go to Saudi Arabia and be so demanding. They are imposing and it is enough already.
AIG, I did hear about Ellison and the swearing in on the koran. We seem to be not far behind Eurabia. :(
Let's get angry but sadly there are not enough people I know paying attention to what is going on.
at December 3, 2006 9:00 AM
from Khilafah:
"this is a great idea, a salah(prayer)room in airport. i don't travel much but i 'd like one anyway, just in case
And Oben d'Imishte:
"The airports in Turkey have prayer rooms for Muslims ... "
I believe in reciprocity. As soon as I see Christian prayer rooms in the airports of Jeddah, Riyadh, and Dammam, Saudi Arabia; I will become a proponent of Muslim prayer rooms in U.S. airports.
And when was the last time Hasidic Jews tried to hijack an airliner?
at December 3, 2006 10:16 AM
Thanks American. I wasn't sure if I remembered exactly. I'm off to start Christmas shopping.
And when was the last time Hasidic Jews tried to hijack an airliner?
Posted by: jay
Exactly true. We all know the one and only group that likes to do that.
Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 3, 2006 11:19 AM
STOP! STOP!! STOP!!! Here comes the nose of the camel under the tent...again.
I support the strictest interpretation of separation of church and state. I do not wish to see any prayer rooms in public supported institutions. I can just see the progression: first----generic prayer rooms; then----segregated by religion; then some more--for men and women.
Airports are for travel. You want to pray and meditate do it quietly and unobtrusively in the recesses of your mind.
Il Toscano
Posted by: il toscano at December 3, 2006 11:31 AM
Hey Robert,
I used to work at ths MSP aiport for 5 years until 2003. They already have a meditation/prayer room. They also have a airport chaplin to help travlers with religous issues. The somalis i worked with used it all the time. It is also open to all travlers. I help some saudis find it one time. It is in the main area of the airport on the mezznine level. I am sure if the imams would have asked they would have been guided there. It caters to all religions. The airport chaplin even conducts communioun on Sunday mornings if any Christian travlers are ever passing trough. The eccumenical feel of the small room with crosses, buddahs, and pictures of the kabba, would certianly offend someone with such hate filled dogmatic sureity as our gentle imams. If they need their own too bad. I can be a buddhist just fine with a picture of meeca there.
at December 3, 2006 12:22 PM
Jay wrote:
"Everyone here is missing the real point. Prayer is not mandatory for Muslims while traveling."
Jay, you are wrong. Muslims must pray, even while travelling. (Some prayers are shortened.)
Jay wrote:
"I believe in reciprocity. As soon as I see Christian prayer rooms in the airports of Jeddah, Riyadh, and Dammam, Saudi Arabia; I will become a proponent of Muslim prayer rooms in U.S. airports."
I cannot guarantee for Saudi Arabia (for there is Sheria there), but as soon as the Pope says that Christians must pray 5 times a day, I'll fight in every democratic way that the secular state of Turkey opens up prayer rooms for Catholics in the airports. (Same for Protestans, Jews, etc.)
BTW, did you notice that 'The Pope wears Prada' ?
islamakapigeaters, I didn't say anything against what was done to those 6 six guys. I believe they deserved to be taken out of the plane by their suspicious behaviour. But I just don't want this to be a case to be held against Muslims silently praying in some corner as long as they are not disturbing anybody.
americaningermany wrote:
"so how can they even begin to justify swearing in on a qu'ran?"
The 2 Turkish members of the Greek(!) parliament had taken their oaths with their hands on the Qur'an. But since Turkey is a secular state, our parliament members can keep their hands ANYWHERE while taking their oaths.
Posted by: Oben d'Imishte at December 3, 2006 5:21 PM
Interesting featured video at Fox News; Miller making some pointed comments about the 6 Imams
http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,111,00.html
Posted by: Archimedes2 at December 3, 2006 5:24 PM
This is the typical 'Foot in the door' tactic
that is really a ruse to force Islam on others by-proxy.
Here in Toronto Canada we now have a small group of radical-homosexuals that have gone on a power struggle to impose their perceptions of sexual preferences that are mainstream , several Web Forums have what I call the "Gay-stappo" thought Police that try to censor opposing views by the Homophobe label or Hate-speech .
One example of the foot-in-the door approach is the Gay-pride Parade , it started out as a little gathering of people the Right to get a Permit for a gay event on our major downtown street , slowly it morphed into a display of gay sex and an affirmation of the lifestyle , and today it has our Mayor and Police Chief on a float supporting the event for fear of the label Homophobe and on top of that we see naked males flaunting their penis in front of little boys and girls while Police are ordered to not arrest the public nudity.
Not being happy with this dispensation for a quasi-pedophilia action that would get Heterosexuals charged and jailed , the Gaystappo's now tell citizens that if they don't like it they can leave Toronto for the day or avoid shopping in the downtown area where the parade is.
Don't be fooled by this harmless room for Muslims , we all know that non-Muslims will not use it as the prayers become more bold and the idolatry figures start moving in to make it an Official Mosque .
Canadian Universities are being threatened by CAIR with law suit for not providing prayer rooms for Muslim students , even after CAIR was informed that no religious groups get space on the secular campus.
Muslims will not share a room with other faiths , just try going into a Mosque as a non-Muslims and see how long you get to keep your values and have a wife use the same door as you and be in the same room.
Perception becomes reality and as long as Muslims have it pounded into their head that they are victims and the unbelievers are out to get them , they will see blasphemy and offense around every corner and assume all their ills are caused by everyone else outside of islam.
at December 3, 2006 9:23 PM
"Everyone here is missing the real point. Prayer is not mandatory for Muslims while traveling."
Jay, you are wrong. Muslims must pray, even while travelling. (Some prayers are shortened.)
bullcrap Obin d
I say a quick hail mary everytime I am in my airplane seat at take off. As a lapse Catholic, I do this because it makes me feel better and I am not public about it, I am very discreet. Stop with the holy nonsense, there are enough of them blowing up trains and who else slams passenger jets into skyscrapers and anywhere they feel like it. Let them pray discreetly like everyone else!!!!
Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 4, 2006 12:55 AM
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