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The facts at hand presumably speak for themselves, but a trifle more vulgarly, I suspect, than facts even usually do. "Editorial: Who is walking on eggshells?," from the Washington Examiner, with thanks to Michael:
WASHINGTON - The facts pretty much speak for themselves.An airline gate agent told the Minneapolis Police Department that six Muslim men began praying very loudly and repeatedly shouting “Allah” as passengers began boarding Flight 300 bound for Phoenix Nov. 20. The six imams refused to sit on their assigned seats, moving around the cabin and arranging themselves in a pattern reminiscent of the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackings. Three asked flight attendants for heavy seat belt extenders, but then didn’t use them to buckle up. Witnesses overheard them talking about al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
Such obviously suspicious behavior was deliberately intended to trigger a response from the airline. The motivation became apparent Nov. 28 when members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations held a “pray in” at the U.S. Airways ticket counter at Reagan National Airport to protest the imams’ well-deserved removal from the flight, charging that their civil rights had somehow been violated. CAIR spokeswoman Rabia Ahmed complained that Muslims “have to walk around on eggshells in public” to avoid being “misconstrued as suspicious.”
And Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Falls Church-based Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, called the incident “a gross example of blatant Islamophobia and the violation of the civil rights of Muslim passengers,” characterizing the legitimate concerns of the flight crew and other passengers as “irrational fears.”
That’s obviously bunk and it needs to be debunked right now. The six imams were hardly “walking on eggshells” and their behavior was certainly not “misconstrued” by anybody familiar with what occurred Sept. 11.
Read it all.
Posted by Robert at December 4, 2006 10:39 AM
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"speak for themselves, but a trifle more vulgarly, I suspect, than facts even usually do."
-- from Robert's comments above
"Zooey." As in "Franny and Zooey." It has to be. Am I right?
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at December 4, 2006 10:46 AM
Hugh,
Why, of course.
If there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now.
Yrs
Robert
at December 4, 2006 10:48 AM
You got me.
Posted by: Hugh at December 4, 2006 10:52 AM
This is all a little too obvious. These'Imams' should be given the same treatment as someone who jokes about bombs on board. If muslims want to be treated like everyone else, then they need to behave like everyone else. Of course I know thay cant really do that. Allah has given them a different set of rules to operate under. 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do". If they cant manage that, then stay out of Rome...
Posted by: duh_swami at December 4, 2006 10:53 AM
Hugh,
"If there's an original thought out there, I could use it right now" is of course from this:
http://bobdylan.com/moderntimes/songs/brownsville.html
Now I've always been the kind of person that doesn't like to trespass, but sometimes you just find yourself over the line.
Yrs
Robert
at December 4, 2006 10:55 AM
i'm off the moscow next weekend. no loud praying before the flight. i wonder if they'd like my new anti-jihad t-shirt instead?
Posted by: raja at December 4, 2006 10:56 AM
I had an original thought once...1972, I think. As soon as I thought it, it was not original any longer, so I gave up on original thoughts, which also was an original thought, untill I thunk it.
Original thought are really hard to come by and even harder to keep.
at December 4, 2006 11:04 AM
Why oh why must "The Minneapolis Six" continue to receive publicity? They manufactured this "incident" just like the Japanese manufactured an "incident" to take over Manchuria back in 1931. Why should they get what they want,namely publicity? If we don't give them any attention this story will finally die. And maybe we'll get less such "incidents" in the future.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 4, 2006 11:09 AM
Hagmann believes the incident — which he considers “a watershed event for ideological jihad” — was a “test run,”
If you read my previous posts on this I said it sounded like a 'test run' and I think a few others said the same thing. Its sooooo a 'test run' .
I dispease these obviously evil people who care nothing for America yet live there.
at December 4, 2006 11:12 AM
It certianly is clear what a setup this is!
Posted by: sounder at December 4, 2006 11:12 AM
correction: dispise and add to it: "where is the outcry by muslims of the opposite opinion saying the authorities were correct here?"
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 4, 2006 11:14 AM
despise --I need coffee.
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 4, 2006 11:15 AM
If the story dies out in the media, there will be no further motions other than to expect this behavoir again.
If it stays "up" or grows "legs", then it's on to the lawsuit stage.
Guess what?, its behavoir profiling.
Ha Ha
Posted by: credit man at December 4, 2006 11:18 AM
They're behavior was abnormal and grossly inappropriate. If this ever happens when I'm beginning to board a flight, I will stand up and incite the other passengers to begin a protest not to allow Muslims on board. I will not hesitate to call a spade a spade. Americans need to stop being so polite and instead be more aggressive in matters such as this.
Posted by: Bonniea at December 4, 2006 11:23 AM
I think the terms "test run" and "dry run" are inaccurate here: in this context, these terms would refer to a reconnaissance mission to see whether a particular hijacking methodology could work. In this case, the "test run" or "dry run" would have been successful had the six imams gotten away with it without anybody noticing.
With what actually happened, it seems the six imams were doing something different -- they wanted to be noticed and they wanted to get caught, in order to be instrumental in setting up a national agenda of bending over backwards to be more sensitive to Muslims, and, more pertinently, to facilitate making Muslim profiling directly illegal in the near future.
I don't know what the term is for such a staged provocation, but I'm pretty sure it's not "test run" or "dry run".
at December 4, 2006 11:53 AM
BTW, I'd bet that Salinger and Dylan would be squarely -- and vulgarly -- on the wrong side of this, and related, issues.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 11:54 AM
Listen, everybody. It is possible that these imans aren't just trying to create a new victimhood status for themselves. This could have, in fact, be a much more calculated diversion for a real terrorist attack their slimeball allies in Al-Queda are planning. Consider this: Airline security is too tight now for them to engineer a repeat of 9-11. So what do they do? They deliberately create an incident where they are able to claim they are the "victims" of "unfair" profiling in the hope that the airline industry can be bullied/intimidated by their leftist traitor friends in the press to lower their guard and be less inquisitive of Muslims attempting to board passenger planes. If the airline industry and security personnel give in to their bullying and lower their guard now, it would be easier for the actual Muslim terrorists to attempt to repeat their old tricks of seizing passenger aircraft for one evil purpose or another.
What should be done now (and hopefully is already underway) is a complete FBI/NSA profiling of all the friends, family members, relations, and assorted contacts these men might have, both here in the United States and abroad. I don't think this is just a victimhood stunt. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
at December 4, 2006 12:01 PM
(I feel like I'm in a movie starring Gregory Peck. Called down to room service, said send me a room)
I'm more curious about the Keith Ellison angle here, here is the Congressman addressing the North American Imam Federation Conference("Imams and Politics"), where the Minneapolis Six came from, not only rubbing shoulders with Omar Shahin, director of the notorious Islamic Center of Tuscon (which hatched Wael Jalaidan and Wadih El-Hage) but at a conference addressed by Islamists like Siraj Wahhaj, unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 New York landmark bombing plot and a "character witness" for Sheikh Abdel-Rahman at his trial; and in the presence of Ashrafuzzam Khan, whose resume includes a stint with the Al-Badr death squads in the Bangladesh War. I'm sure there were other illustrious examples present. Known by the company you keep, Congressman.
Posted by: Nick Danger at December 4, 2006 12:02 PM
Yes, walking on eggshells...with hob-nailed boots. And then comes the predictable tap-dancing, while still wearing aforementioned boots.
And they wonder why they don't get no respect!
Posted by: Chatillon at December 4, 2006 12:15 PM
"I'd bet that Salinger and Dylan would be squarely -- and vulgarly -- on the wrong side of this, and related, issues."
-- from a posting above
I think you are flatly wrong.
at December 4, 2006 12:24 PM
l would like to ask anyone if you were a passenger on that jet with the six immans, what would you do..
first l would of loved to of decked them.. but would you just laugh at them.. tell them their mohommmad was a child rapist and terrorist.. make them lose it, and go violent.. and therefore make a point to all that these are not innocent victims.. l am very curious about what would be the best thing to do, short of decking them.
at December 4, 2006 12:27 PM
"I'd bet that Salinger and Dylan would be squarely -- and vulgarly -- on the wrong side of this, and related, issues." from above
Does that mean you think we'd be treated to such lyrics as:
"How many roads must a man walk down,
Before you call him 'Imam?'"
Nahh. I don't think so.
Posted by: Chatillon at December 4, 2006 12:34 PM
Next time somthing like this happens, the passengers should take it upon themselves to detain the offenders. Do we have to wait until the hijacker pulls his box cutter and starts slashing flight attendents throats before we defend ourselves. I'd rather be judged by twelve, than siffted out of the wreckage of an airplane, dna matched, and then carried by six!
The truth is, Muslims better walk on egg shells around me! Cause i'm waiting for one of them to make a false move.
God Bless America, and Jihad Watch!
Posted by: crusader619 at December 4, 2006 12:41 PM
Couldn't those passengers also file a lawsuit against the imams? I'm curious about that. Why haven't THEY filed a formal complaint against those imams and C.A.I.R. for trying to lie and cover up for them?
Posted by: americaningermany
I think they should too, but haven't heard anything about it as of yet. We need to fight back at what they're attemtping to do, and that is use the race card.
The truth is, Muslims better walk on egg shells around me! Cause i'm waiting for one of them to make a false move.
God Bless America, and Jihad Watch!
Posted by: crusader619
Me too. I'm waiting and ready!
Posted by: Bonniea at December 4, 2006 1:32 PM
Why should they get what they want,namely publicity? If we don't give them any attention this story will finally die. And maybe we'll get less such "incidents" in the future.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 4, 2006 11:09 AM
Most of the publicity surrounding this nefarious escapade has been of the adverse variety and that's a good thing. The more the better. Sensational headlines are about the only news many Americans notice, and we need to see them every day on television and in the newspapers shouting the exploits of diabolical muslims. I have read more negative reports about the six evil imams than positive ones. There are still a few honest, unbiased news venues in this country. I pray they will continue to counter the lies of the MSM.
It is imperative that all Americans wake up to the threats we are facing; islam and the NAU are the two most crucial issues of our lives and the future of this country but incredibly, most of our fellow citizens are clueless. It's unbelievable!
Posted by: Susanp at December 4, 2006 1:50 PM
from the linked story : "And the only way to counter ideological jihad is to speak the truth: U.S. Airways did the right thing by removing these six provocateurs from the plane.
Airlines have the right — and the duty — to protect their passengers."
Of course the authorities did nothing until passengers complained. I'm still seeing a lot of reluctance to confronting muslims in these situations. Political correctness has us caught in its' grips.
If I refused to sit in my assigned seat I would expect to be taken off the plane, but that wasn't enough to get the Imams thrown off. Neither was requesting unnecessary seatbelt extenders. I am more disturbed than comforted by this story. By my count, they are still walking all over us, and we are losing.
Posted by: Muzzl'em at December 4, 2006 2:06 PM
This is a MUST SEE from the Gulf Times, Qatar – THE MOST WIDELY SOLD AND MOST MAINSTREAM ENGLISH LANGUAGE PAPER IN THAT COUNTRY.
Also the home of Al-Jazeera English, of course…….
Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 4, 2006 2:08 PM
Posted by: americaningermany at December 4, 2006 11:26 AM
I think the terms "test run" and "dry run" are inaccurate here: in this context, these terms would refer to a reconnaissance mission to see whether a particular hijacking methodology could work. In this case, the "test run" or "dry run" would have been successful had the six imams gotten away with it without anybody noticing.
With what actually happened, it seems the six imams were doing something different -- they wanted to be noticed and they wanted to get caught, in order to be instrumental in setting up a national agenda of bending over backwards to be more sensitive to Muslims, and, more pertinently, to facilitate making Muslim profiling directly illegal in the near future.
I don't know what the term is for such a staged provocation, but I'm pretty sure it's not "test run" or "dry run".
------------------------------------------------
This is "spot-on" analysis. Quoted for emphasis. Regardless of whether anyone will admit it, racial profiling now occurs in air travel, and rightly so.
The Imams are setting the stage for the legal battle to revive airline terrorism by making profiling illegal and harshly dealt with.
Given the state of our Union, it should not take long to achieve their goal unfortunately.
at December 4, 2006 2:22 PM
Most of the publicity surrounding this nefarious escapade has been of the adverse variety and that's a good thing.
Posted by: Susanp at December 4, 2006 01:50 PM
True. My fear is that the longer this story hangs around, the more CAIR and its spinmeisters will manipulate things to the point that there will be sympathy for these crackpots. People might start wondering if they were indeed victims even if the facts indicate otherwise.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 4, 2006 2:26 PM
IslamsForLosers,
Now CAIR is going after Dennis Prager:
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/cair-attacks-dennis-pragers-holocaust-councilship/
at December 4, 2006 2:35 PM
Such obviously suspicious behavior was deliberately intended to trigger a response from the airline. The motivation became apparent Nov. 28 when members of the Council on American-Islamic Relations held a “pray in” at the U.S. Airways ticket counter at Reagan National Airport to protest the imams’ well-deserved removal from the flight, charging that their civil rights had somehow been violated. CAIR spokeswoman Rabia Ahmed complained that Muslims “have to walk around on eggshells in public” to avoid being “misconstrued as suspicious.”
Maybe they can walk up on out of here.. I don't care if it's on eggshells. Just leave. GO!
RAUS!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 2:36 PM
Radical muslims are exploiting the neurotic leftist agenda of surrender and comply- plain and simple. They know that all they have to do is cry racial/religious' profiling, and the far left's knees will buckle in fear. This was a carefully orchestrated attempt to exempt muslims from the same scrutinies that EVERYONE MUST undergo during a war. I would NOT be surprised if thse imams got the orders from terrorists to do this kaka at the airport knowing that a case of racial profiling would bind the hands of security officials precisely because the dems would back them up all the way! PC will be the death of us all- http://sacredscoop.com
Posted by: CottShop at December 4, 2006 2:36 PM
The only eggshells I'm going to be walking on are the ridiculous tenets of Islam and the non-sequitors postulated by the mo-foes.
Islam needs mafia tactics because it's rigid and brittle like an egg shell.
Fugazi!
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 4, 2006 2:45 PM
PLEASE LOOK AT THE DISGUSTING HATRED AND CRIMINAL DEHUMANISATION OF "INFIDELS" IN THIS NEWSPAPER,
QATAR'S TOP-SELLING ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER!
at December 4, 2006 2:49 PM
awake, I didn't post that, I believe that was remote control's post that stated:
americaningermany,
Oops, my bad. You were quoting as well. It's only my second post. Anyway, remote_control, I concur with you 100%.
Posted by: awake at December 4, 2006 2:52 PM
I'm more curious about the Keith Ellison angle here, here is the Congressman addressing the North American Imam Federation Conference("Imams and Politics"), where the Minneapolis Six came from, not only rubbing shoulders with Omar Shahin, director of the notorious Islamic Center of Tuscon (which hatched Wael Jalaidan and Wadih El-Hage) but at a conference addressed by Islamists like Siraj Wahhaj, unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 New York landmark bombing plot and a "character witness" for Sheikh Abdel-Rahman at his trial; and in the presence of Ashrafuzzam Khan, whose resume includes a stint with the Al-Badr death squads in the Bangladesh War. I'm sure there were other illustrious examples present. Known by the company you keep, Congressman.
Posted by: Nick Danger
Unfortunately this traitor will gain seniority once he gets re-elected a few times. No need to mention he may sit on sensitive defense or intelligence committees sooner than you can say "alla porkrind snakbar" That's when things will start to get REALLY interesting..
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 2:52 PM
americaningermany,
The only rationale for such behavior being a test run would be to test whether terrorist hijackers could behave flagrantly and still get away with hijacking the plane. Obviously, however, terrorist hijackers are not going to behave in ways that will arouse attention before the actual hijacking begins -- quite the reverse.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 2:55 PM
Unfortunately this traitor will gain seniority once he gets re-elected a few times. No need to mention he may sit on sensitive defense or intelligence committees sooner than you can say "alla porkrind snakbar" That's when things will start to get REALLY interesting..
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 02:52 PM
And he WILL be re-elected. His district can be called Cukooland. His predecessor had the job since the end of the last Ice Age. Ellison will probably be around until the next one begins.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 4, 2006 2:59 PM
chinubhai86
you wrote:
"PLEASE LOOK AT THE DISGUSTING HATRED AND CRIMINAL DEHUMANISATION OF "INFIDELS" IN THIS NEWSPAPER,
QATAR'S TOP-SELLING ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER!"
Welcome Chinubhai to Jihad Watch. The stinking pile of verbal manure from Qatar Times is absolutely PAR FOR THE COURSE for Izlam. Go read Mein Koran! Go read the Hadith! Go to any Jihadi website on the internet.
It's all HATE, HATE, and more HATE.
And that is why we Infidels gather here...to give each other moral support while we confront the collective psychosis known as Izlam.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 4, 2006 3:01 PM
The only rationale for such behavior being a test run would be to test whether terrorist hijackers could behave flagrantly and still get away with hijacking the plane. Obviously, however, terrorist hijackers are not going to behave in ways that will arouse attention before the actual hijacking begins -- quite the reverse.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 02:55 PM
Agreed 100%. This ploy will attempt to get the hijackers on-baord with little to no resistence in the future and then they can go BOOM!!
at December 4, 2006 3:03 PM
Chanting on board the aircraft,
This brings to mind the scene from Casablanca, the one that takes place at Rick’s café American. Major Strasser and the Nazis begin to sing their anthem and Laszlo along with the French and others start up singing the French National anthem and drown the Nazis out. Of course we would need to replace the French anthem with something like God Bless America. Learn the words if you don’t know them.
http://aspecialplace.net/America/patriotic_music.htm
at December 4, 2006 3:09 PM
A newly elected Democrat who worked in the Pentagon is now saying he's sure that Saddam was linked to al Qaeda?
Yep, details here
http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/12/what_does_congressman_elect_ch/
at December 4, 2006 3:10 PM
I just watched Ayatollah al Hakim and Dumbya stroke each others members..Bush of course had a shi'ite eating grin on his face, as al Hakim dipped into the taqiyyah basket to save Bush's miserable face.
Example of al Hakims taqiyyah. He referred to Iraq as a pluralistic society..yeh, one that has issued fatwa's of murder on sight to alchol vendors, gays, women who don't don bee hive suits..such Pluralism, and hey Bush what about all of those Christians driven into Syria by the pluralistic muslims of Iraq?
What a disgusting performance, and the worst part is that al Hakim is an Iranian Ayatollah, as is al Sistani, and both were trained in Iran, both are the heads of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq SCIRI, and it's Badr Brigade was and is trained, equipped and financed by Iraq.. and dumbass Dubya foists this Iranian al Hakim off on us, as some kind of saviour and ally, only because he is desperate.
Reminds me of a desperate freshman in high school, the gawky, inept, dweeb who will date anything in a skirt (including a DRAG Queen).
And the slavish look and smirk on Bush's face is priceless.. he would sell out his own family, to save his own face and ass.
Posted by: Nariz at December 4, 2006 3:15 PM
Chanting on board the aircraft,
[...]
http://aspecialplace.net/America/patriotic_music.htm
Posted by: tgusa
Are saying what I think you are saying? Do you suggesst that normal passengers sing patriotic song when others engage in islamic caterwauling?
I think that's a GREAT idea! THAT is something NOONE can sue you for. Or can they?!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 3:17 PM
Ynkedoodl2:
Who can read this, and believe in it is beyond the boundaries of what I would call human.
The issue is not with the content however - old-timers here are familiar with it. What is utterly shocking is that this newpaper GULF TIMES, QATAR - the TOP-SELLING ENGLISH LANGUAGE PAPER publishes it - expecting readers, Muslim and Non-Muslim to swallow it!
This is THE paper you would be reading if you checked into a five star hotel in Qatar! Truly shocking - that they would expect nonmuslim readers to accept this criminal propaganda - and that they would expect all muslims to adhere unquestioningly to this worse-than-Nazi hatred!
And Qatar is hosting the fifth Asian Games in December - a stunned friend over there at the Grand Hyatt Doha sent me the link!
Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 4, 2006 3:20 PM
No they can’t, and the Pilot/s would probably join in. Hey, look what happened to Strasser in the end.
Posted by: tgusa at December 4, 2006 3:20 PM
Push, Push, Push,
It is time for all of us to push back and hard, they only win when someone surrenders, period. Don’t give an inch, as a matter of fact take a foot and then a yard and then…
at December 4, 2006 3:31 PM
No they can’t, and the Pilot/s would probably join in. Hey, look what happened to Strasser in the end.
Posted by: tgusa
Who is Strasser?
Think I'll have to bone up on the main songs a bit. I only go to baseball every now and then and that's the only place you'll here these songs when you live in NYC.
So I'll print out the texts and next time I'm on a plane I'll have them handy just in case i am not sure about the lines. Bad memory here. One one person starts to sing the rest will surely join in!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 4, 2006 3:35 PM
Hello.
I assume this comment will never reach the eyes of anyone but the Administrator, but nevertheless, here are a few things I'd like to say (and ask):
I think you're a bloody idiot.
Having a doctorate (you do, don't you?) gives me no reason to believe otherwise, after all the guy that sells his "Bands of Eternal Life" or whatever they are called (little metal rings that, apparently, have a magnetic current that give your body the ability to sustain itself for eternetity making you effectively immortal) on a website somewhere else in the net has a Dr., a real one it seems, as well - and he is, quite clearly, nuts, just like you.
I understand that the name "Jihad Watch" implies that you are watching the Jihad (easy, that one) but how come you only seem to be publishing hate speeches on Muslims in general here? Is that because you think all Muslims are part of the Jihad (which, by the way, can also mean -quote wikipedia- "striving to lead a good Muslim life, praying and fasting regularly, being an attentive spouse and parent or working hard to spread the message of Islam")?
Anyway, would you (and all the other people visiting this site regularly to post your hate comments) like muslims to have to wear bands in public to identify themselves (because, believe it or not, not all of them have long beards and wear turbans) so they could be identified and separated easily?
Or would you just skip all that crap and go straight to the point where you ship them off into camps to be gassed?
Am I correct in assuming that most of you would consider yourselves "Patriots" ( still even those not from America) and go to church regularly?
You obviously never turned up to class when the Third Reich was being discussed.
I must say that, personally, I'd like all of you to die (or something like that) right now, the world would be a much nicer place without you.
If you do choose to let this comment be shown you may choose to comment on all the mistakes and misconceptions I may have concerning this site. However while I'll admit that this may be as much in the way of hate speech as your articles and the comments below them I don't believe my viewpoint is wrong, to be honest I think I'm looking at this from exactly the right angle.
You may think writing this is intolerant, but I think your intolerance beats my intolerance in -let's call it that - quality.
David
By the way, I'm German.
I think you should be ashamed of having wasted a big part of your life on becoming a dirty little Nazi.
Nazis don't deserve a place in the world, I don't think there's much of a counterpoint to this after, for example, the Nuremberg Trials (I've read somewhere that all the Germans present at Auschwitz when it was taken by Allied forces were lined up along walls and executed or 'thrown' to the Jewish prisoners who, literally, tore them apart - but I'm not quite sure if that's really true, may just have been made up by a Holocaust doubter. But if it is, there you go, here's another example.)
at December 4, 2006 3:47 PM
Gosh, sorry, the guy with the Bands of Immortality (they're called "Eternal Life Device"s) doesn't have a Dr. after all.
Well, too bad, but he's still a great comparison.
at December 4, 2006 3:51 PM
germaninamerica asked,
Who is Strasser?
http://www.tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=610
Great movie, really good message, rent or buy it you wont be sorry.
at December 4, 2006 3:52 PM
Adolf:
DEAR SIR,
I LIVE IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
I KNOW THE REALITY.
I REFER YOU TO MY POSTS ABOVE AND REPOST THE FOLLING LINKS WHICH I ASK YOU TO READ:
AND NO, THIS ISN'T THE "SMALL MINORITY" PEOPLE IN THE WEST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. WHERE I LIVE, THIS IS VERY MUCH MAINSTREAM.
Posted by: chinubhai86 at December 4, 2006 4:04 PM
Homework Assignment for Adolf:
One 8-hour assignment:
1) Spend 3 hours reading articles from the Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch archives.
2) Spend 5 hours reading various comments by at least 50 different posters from among 100 different Jihad Watch and Dhimmi Watch articles spanning a time period from 2004 to 2006.
3) Using the data you have culled from #1 and #2, present a detailed argument that would support your assertions which you posted today.
at December 4, 2006 4:10 PM
Ok Adolf, David, Joe, Tom , Bill, Acmed whatever, I will bite. Are you sure you are at the website you think you are? Do you see things crawling in the corner of the ceiling while you relax? Are you over 16 and have never had brain surgery? C’mon what gives?
Are we supposed to be Nazis? Dammit, I need to know!
at December 4, 2006 4:19 PM
Adolf,
Take the log out of your eye, read and study what is going on all ove the world and you will soon learn that substantial numbers of people having a certain extremist idealogy wants to kill you.
When the wild cat escapes from the jungle, I suppose you would run up to it and say "here kitty, nice kitty".
Good luck.
Posted by: sounder at December 4, 2006 4:21 PM
"I've read somewhere that all the Germans present at Auschwitz when it was taken by Allied forces were lined up along walls and executed or 'thrown' to the Jewish prisoners who, literally, tore them apart - but I'm not quite sure if that's really true, may just have been made up by a Holocaust doubter..."
-- from a poster above who calls himself "Adolf"
It's nonsense. But would that it had been true. It should have been true.
Posted by: Hugh at December 4, 2006 4:33 PM
"Adolph" wants us dead.
I've never seen any calls for the death of all muslims here.
Who is the nazi?
at December 4, 2006 4:42 PM
Now, it is always difficult to know the facts. The only part of the charges for which I have seen any concrete evidence is the praying. But I lived and worked for 3 years in the Middle East and in that time I only ever saw one person praying in public. The vast majority of people did not pray - oh unless they were at work and then it was also time for a cigarette break and a chat. Outside work the few who bothered to pray would only do so if there was a mosque or prayer room nearby. Actually, when I say few I am exaggerating. I only knew one person who did this. There was a second person who tried a bit harder during Ramadan - but only a bit. So praying in this way would be conspicuous behaviour in the Muslim world.
at December 4, 2006 4:57 PM
Quite a newspaper, that Gulf Times of Qatar, Chinubhai. In the English-version links you can read that there is a crime which vastly outweighs murder, rape, child molesting or genocide. That is "shirk". Shirk is worse because it is a crime against Allah. Christianity is shirk because it associates partners with Allah, but Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, well everyone, is shirk too.
Then this "newspaper" tells us disbelievers, the kaafir, plot against Muslims by night and betray them in the day. "He bites his fingertips in severe anger against the Muslims and his innerself is full of evil plans against them." "When a kaafir dies the whole of humanity are relieved" (invoking Bukhari). The future for disbelievers in the hereafter is not swell--a shallow grave, so narrow his ribs stick together; he is beaten with an iron bar; carpeted with fire; he will walk "on his face", not on his legs, on the Day of Resurrection-- were these the first Surrealists? Then the obligatory boiling water. "You should hate them, disown them and their religion." What are the "less moderate" Arab-language articles like in Qatar?
Posted by: Nick Danger at December 4, 2006 5:29 PM
Adolf
Our only problem is that we know TOO MUCH about Islam. Knowing that 1/5 of the world's population is ideologically committed to killing or enslaving us infidels is cause for our becoming phobic.
If you deny this, then you have never read "Mein Koran."
Islam is much, much worse than your worst nightmares.
Get Educated. Get Scared. Get Active.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 4, 2006 5:37 PM
i know this is offtopic but read this its concerning the ex spy
LONDON – Reports that KGB defector Alexander Litvinenko converted to Islam before his mysterious poisoning with radioactive polonium 210 is raising suspicions that he may have been involved in a plot to smuggle the deadly substance to terrorist groups willing to pay millions even for a gram, Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is reporting today.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53208
Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 4, 2006 5:53 PM
What are the "less moderate" Arab-language articles like in Qatar?
Posted by: Nick Danger
Oh, you know:
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the infidels wherever ye find them, and seize them, terrorize them, and lie in wait for them in ambush; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
at December 4, 2006 6:04 PM
AIG & Remote
I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but I believe that these 6 Imam's were setting up a case for intimidating those who had legitimate concerns about their behavior, and thereby softening up air security for future potential hijackers. It's true that real hijackers wouldn't make themselves conspicuous, but by acting this way and making US Airways look like a controversial airline, they at least attempted to soften up any future security checks. That way, real hijackers who inconspicuously attempt to get as much into the plane as possible can do it, with security officials somewhat intimidated from being thorough about frisking them if they aren't as blatant as these 6 Imams.
I'd categorize it as a prep run - helping real hijackers slide through. Incidentally, just heard Robert's erstwhile opponent Jaffar Siddique on Michael Medved sparring with Viktor Mordechai, spewing his usual taqqiya about Islam and Infidels. Will Medved never learn?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 6:23 PM
americaningermany i agree with you there
at December 4, 2006 6:34 PM
Adolf
Another of der Führer's namesakes standing shoulder to shoulder with the Mohammedans, just like the original Führer with Haj Amin al Husseini. How appropriate.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 6:37 PM
"If the airline industry and security personnel give in to their bullying and lower their guard now, it would be easier for the actual Muslim terrorists to attempt to repeat their old tricks of seizing passenger aircraft for one evil purpose or another.
What should be done now (and hopefully is already underway) is a complete FBI/NSA profiling of all the friends, family members, relations, and assorted contacts these men might have, both here in the United States and abroad. I don't think this is just a victimhood stunt. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 4, 2006 12:01 PM
"A.I. Steamroller might be on to something there.
Will it be done though? Doubtful. But Steamroller is thinking logically. Logical thinking is a thing that our lawmakers, unfortunatley, do not always do.
Posted by: americaningermany at December 4, 2006 04:10 PM"
Dear americaningermany,
Thank you for your nice compliment! Logical thinking is my business (I'm a scientist by profession). I'm glad to see that someone agrees with me on this point. In truth though, it doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. Just using common sense will do. Unfortunately, as you also pointed out, that seems to be lacking these days from many of our "elites" in the government, media, etc.
at December 4, 2006 6:47 PM
They're only walking on eggshells NOW because their fraud is exposed by passengers from the plane, lest they not get on the damned plane in the first place...Puh-lease!
They tried to make a statement, and intimidate Americans, it backfired, and they want to cover their asses...it was a setup on their part from the word go. They know it, we know it, and they know we know it...and that's why they want an audience for their PAPaganda.
"WOLF! WOLF!"...screamed by a wolf himself.
Boy, now THAT'S FUNNY! LMAO
at December 4, 2006 6:56 PM
Greek Gurl,
I just have to wonder about WHY the fact that he was a convert to islam is NEVER mentioned. At least not on any news reports I have seen.
Again, they (MSM) is covering up everything to do with islam.
Posted by: americaningermany
l find this hard to believe, did they not interview his wife? if it is true, it will come out sooner than later, if he was a convert it does make sense he was knocked off by Putin.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 4, 2006 7:03 PM
l just saw on the Drudge site, that the Russian will be buried as a muslim.. well that has changed a lot.
Putin was doing his homework.
at December 4, 2006 7:12 PM
Wow Adolf, what a colossal ignoramus you are! I mean, EVERY so-called point you made was a huge leap--an assumption that you drew out of your all-but-empty mind (nearly so, but for the propaganda that you read about this website).
Where is anyone suggesting that we do what your grandparents and great-grandparents did in the 1930's and '40's to the Jews? By the way, the so-called "Jewish problem" that your grandparents and great-grandparents struggled with was indeed imaginary. The Nazis didn't have a "9/11" experience where a Jewish conspiracy attacked the Third Reich, and threatened to bring Deutschland (uber alles) to its knees. They didn't have a constant drum-beat of anti-German, anti-Western, propaganda hurled against them by a Zionist media bent upon their destruction. (Of course all of this above conspiracy was constantly drummed into the German mind by Goebbles and Streicher, but it was merely a means to an end--the exermination of all Jews in Europe).
The "Jihad problem" is another matter altogether. We have the means to see and hear their broadcasts that spread hate and lies about Jews and other "kafir" in the world. Robert Spencer invites Muslims to debate him, and to call out spacifically where he is in error about Islamic doctrine as it relates to "jihad." All they can do is say that he lies and takes their doctrines "out of context," all the while failing to put it back IN context.
Adolf, go get yourself educated about what "Jihad Watch" is, and then come back here and refute it. Your rant above is complete ignorance.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 4, 2006 7:15 PM
americaningermany
Greek Gurl,
I just have to wonder about WHY the fact that he was a convert to islam is NEVER mentioned. At least not on any news reports I have seen.
Again, they (MSM) is covering up everything to do with islam.
actually americaningermany i read it today in the newspaper and it was mentioned that possibly maybe he was killed for becoming muslim and helping al quieda also in the newspaper it said he could have been assaniated for critisizng putin but no one knows yet those where just theorys
Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 4, 2006 7:26 PM
OT - During the liberation of the Dachau concentration camp, a number of SS troops surrendered, were taken into a walled coal yard, and machinegunned by American troops under the supervision of two junior officers. Of an estimated 75-100 SS troopers in the enclosure, somewhere between 17 and 20 were killed before the U.S. battalion commander was able to get his troops to stop firing.
Posted by: MP at December 4, 2006 7:29 PM
In the book Blowing up Russia: Terror from Within, published in 2002 with the financial support of Berezovsky, Litvinenko alleged that agents from the FSB co-ordinated the 1999 Russian apartment bombings that killed more than 300 people. Russian officials blamed the explosions on Chechen separatists.
Given Litvinenko's links with the Chechens, how credible are the claims he made in his book in the first place. Given more time, he'd probably have found the occasion to blame the Moscow Opera hostage crisis and the Beslan school massacre on the Kremlin, rather than the Chechens.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 7:45 PM
Sorry, I meant to post the above only on D/W
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 4, 2006 7:46 PM
"I've read somewhere that all the Germans present at Auschwitz when it was taken by Allied forces were lined up along walls and executed or 'thrown' to the Jewish prisoners who, literally, tore them apart - but I'm not quite sure if that's really true, may just have been made up by a Holocaust doubter..."
-- from a poster above who calls himself "Adolf"
It's nonsense. But would that it had been true. It should have been true.
My professor of modern European history at university (whose speciality was 20th century Germany) told us that an American general, upon liberating one of the camps, said afterwards that he felt at the time, after seeing the place, that it would only have seemed infinitely proper to line up the German soldiers who remained and shot them on the spot; though he refrained from so ordering.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 8:05 PM
Just look at the article above, the comment made below it.
Muslims DO have to walk on eggshells in public, because even though you would probably deny this, when you see someone wearing a turban today you think "Muslim" and "Suicide Bomber".
What happened at 9/11 was tragic beyond human understanding, a complete failure of intelligence itself.
But that does not mean that you should be able to fit people into stereotypes harmful to maybe their own wellbeing on a global scale and get away with it. The Koran may have a lot radical statements in it in your eyes, but it most certainly would not in the eyes of your average muslim schoolkid (if it isn't being taught a form of Islam twisted by hate that results in the kid blowing itself up later on in its life because it believes honestly it'll be having big orgies in the afterlife; this sadly DOES happen, but I beg you, look at the circumstances- poverty or simply growing up in a country ruled by extremists -- I'll try to address this later on). The Islam - and ALL religion and, back in the very beginning of time, spirituality of some sort - is a way of teaching or preserving certain moral values, most of them good.
Islam is by far not the only religion that has been used to promote false such values, in the Middle Ages popes saw it fit to call for great crusades into the Holy Land, and I'm sure that when they did so they had the fitting quotes in the bible to back up their demands, to make them right in the eyes of the people. Even today there are a lot of completely nutty radical CHRISTIANS that DON'T believe in things like women's rights and that would, very ironic in the context of this site I suppose, love to see all religions except for Christianity exterminated. Everything depends on how you perceive something like the Koran - or the Bible.
I'd like to reinforce this point because I believe too many people today associate Djihad with Islam and not with radical Islam, please don't make that mistake.
I don't believe that countries like Iran have any right to do the things that they do to women and so on and having hate doctrines as their primary way of government, but don't be hypocrits, there's so many other countries in the world that are totally out of control and have no regards for any human rights whatsoever and that could, potentially, become a danger to the rest of the world which aren't being ruled by fundamentalists, only by madmen. In parts of Africa some tribes just wander around killing other people because they feel like it and the rest of the world just watches, possibly because it's not western people being killed.
Invading Afghanistan, a country governed by the Taliban (and everyone knows who THEY are), what do you expect to get if not suicide bombings? Those sort of attacks have been almost a way of life (ha,ha) in regions like Afghanistan,they're just another form of Guerilla warfare, sort of like what the Viet Cong used to do, only they cut off people's limbs and formed piles with them or a whole variety of unspeakable things (and they mostly did this to innocent villagers, suicide bombers like to blow themselves up in public places). Fundamental Islam has just replaced Communism in the "we hate you" category. It used to be some Russian guy/Ho Chi Minh 's face in the news, today its some Arab guy/Osama Bin Laden's. The parallels are quite striking.
The only difference, a big one of course, the WTC attacks of 9/11, could have been prevented if some people hadn't been sleeping with their eyes open.
Had the WTC attacks been prevented it would most certainly have been done silently, no one possibly would have ever known there were plans for these attacks except a few people in the CIA.
But of course they weren't.
What I'm trying to say is, no one would have given a damn about 'Djihad' had the 9/11 attacks not taken place, quite likely the word would never have found the common usage that it has today; and I don't think it would have made a very big difference, the world would have just continued on until eventually some event on the scale of 9/11 happened or maybe just a gradual slant towards (or rather against) a certain group in society occured, this other 9/11 may have been commited by a totally different group of people.
That it was Osama Bin Laden, a fundamentalist muslim, who commited 9/11, was just a big coincidence.
I don't like the direction that this site is going. True, right now you might still think that there are some "moderate" muslims that don't wish you harm, but I wonder how long that attitude can be preserved for.
I really hope all this idiocy doesn't escalate into something bigger and worse for everyone involved.
This whole comment is probably a bit confused in its structure, I forgot what I had been writing about half way through, but it should still be understandable.
What I'm saying most of all, I think, is don't be bloody idiots and buy into some hipocritic bullshit that, in a way, is just like Panem et Circensus, Bread and Games, was for the Romans, Mass-entertainment with a lot of blood involved.
at December 4, 2006 8:30 PM
Well, at least the Auschwitz thing is not true, a good thing i suppose.
Posted by: Adolf at December 4, 2006 8:30 PM
Robert
I've been reading your "Politically Incorrect Guide to..."
What strikes me as relevat to the present case in your analysis is the requirement for the dhimmis in a Muslim world to keep the signs and the sounds of their belief unconspicuous and low and as muted as possible, so that Islam could assert itself as dominant thru the theatrics of image and sound.
Showing off, making noise--literally--, saber-rattling, chest-beating the way all primates do--are part and parcel of millennary exercises in Islamic domination.
at December 4, 2006 8:40 PM
Adolf, if Muslims walk on eggshells it is only their co-religionists they have to blame. In fact, the claim is spurious, there is no persecution of Muslims in America. There is barely a persecution of jihadists in America. It is those trying to alert the Infidel world to the menace posed by Islamic Jihad who are forced to walk on eggshells, the most outspoken face death threats, accusations of hate and bigotry, Nazism, and of not-being-very-nice in general. Here's a saying for you, Adolf: kindness to the wolf is cruelty to the sheep.
"I believe too many people today associate Djihad with Islam and not with radical Islam"
--I guess all those Qur'an and Hadith references to Jihad came with an asterisk marked "radical Muslims only, moderate Muslims ignore". I don't know how many millions of words on this site have been devoted to the concept of Jihad in Islam and the mandate to subjugate non-Muslims, but you seem to have missed them all.
"That it was Osama Bin Laden, a fundamentalist muslim, who commited 9/11, was just a big coincidence."
Really? So an unprecedented event committed in the name of Islam, for Islamic reasons, could have been done by just about anybody? Perhaps Bin Laden was really reading Ho Chi Minh and Chairman Mao all that time...
"The Koran may have a lot radical statements in it in your eyes, but it most certainly would not in the eyes of your average muslim schoolkid"
--Unfortunately, this seems to be true.
at December 4, 2006 9:21 PM
Adolf said:
"Muslims DO have to walk on eggshells in public, because even though you would probably deny this, when you see someone wearing a turban today you think "Muslim" and "Suicide Bomber"."
Regardless of what people my "think" about Muslims, they are NOT walking on eggshells around where I live. In Michigan (the highest concentration of Muslim immegrants in the US, and where I live) the tolerance level for ANY type of bigotry (except for Christians) is very, very low. For anyone to suggest that Muslims have to watch their step anywhere in this country is to display how totally ignorant you are about the United States.
He also says:
"Islam is by far not the only religion that has been used to promote false such values, in the Middle Ages popes saw it fit to call for great crusades into the Holy Land, and I'm sure that when they did so they had the fitting quotes in the bible to back up their demands, to make them right in the eyes of the people. Even today there are a lot of completely nutty radical CHRISTIANS that DON'T believe in things like women's rights and that would, very ironic in the context of this site I suppose, love to see all religions except for Christianity exterminated. Everything depends on how you perceive something like the Koran - or the Bible."
More complete ignorance from Adolf. The Crusades were called in reaction to Islamic jihads against Christian people and lands. Islam was exterminating and enslaving Christians throughout the Middle East and North Africa, and were threatening Byzantium and all of Europe. The Crusades were called for to stop the Islamic advance from destroying all of Western Civilization. The hope had been to recapture the formerly Christian lands and hold off the Islamic counterattacks, but Western Civilization (and your very way of life) was saved by these Crusades.
Also, you talk about "nutty radical CHRISTIANS." Who are they? Name a few of them. Quote a few notable ones. Explain how these "nutty radicals" are a threat to everyone's way of life, and how they plan to force their radical views upon everyone.
You "don't like the direction this site is going?"
What "direction" is it going, in your opinion? Explain this, because you do not come close to making anything clear in either of your rants. Personally, I don't think you know what the hell you're talking about.
And finally:
"I really hope all this idiocy doesn't escalate into something bigger and worse for everyone involved."
I hope it doesn't either. I hope you can find the means to pull your head out of your sphincter and realize what Robert Spencer and Jihad Watch is about, because you do not have a clue.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 4, 2006 9:23 PM
"The Koran may have a lot radical statements in it in your eyes, but it most certainly would not in the eyes of your average muslim schoolkid"
I meant to comment about this. Have you ever HEARD the words from the mouths of "your average muslim schoolkid?" Have you ever heard little children (some who are even too young to read) spout the most vile, hateful, deranged words about how Jews come from APES AND PIGS, and that they want to kill them? If you haven't, you need check out MEMRI TV (http://www.memritv.org/).
This stuff doesn't come from small groups of radicals. It comes from MAINSTREAM Islamic media in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the (so-called) "Palestinian" Authority, Hezbollah, and Egypt.
Wake up Adolf!
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 4, 2006 9:35 PM
And Mahdi Bray, executive director of the Falls Church-based Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, called the incident “a gross example of blatant Islamophobia and the violation of the civil rights of Muslim passengers,” characterizing the legitimate concerns of the flight crew and other passengers as “irrational fears.”
That’s obviously bunk and it needs to be debunked right now. The six imams were hardly “walking on eggshellsMr.Mahdi Brayis so full of bovine feces it's not funny he six people involved are breaking federal aviation administration rules refused to obey rulesin place for passenger safety and were removed and that reason and no other Mr. Bray needs to quitacting like a donkey or a mule before someone who truly understands what he is doing like a mule takes a figururtive 2x4 to his head to get his attention and drive truth in
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 4, 2006 11:45 PM
Reading Adolf's last post, one has to sigh: there seems to be a never-ending supply of people who lag behind the learning curve regarding the problem of Islam, no matter how massive the data is coming in.
Posted by: remote_control at December 4, 2006 11:57 PM
Adolf said,
"when you see someone wearing a turban today you think "Muslim" and "Suicide Bomber"."
No, I'm thinking, "How the heck does he keep that thing from unravelling???" *grin*
But, honestly, it does make me wonder why he hasn't been fully integrated into the American melting pot...
Cheers,
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com
Posted by: Doctor Bulldog at December 4, 2006 11:59 PM
Could someone give Adolf a few links to muslim websites so he can see what hate really is? The poor fellow thinks we're Nazis and jihad is an inner struggle! What planet did he say he was from?!
How can any sane Western person defend islam and muslims?! How can seemingly intelligent, educated people ignore the pure malevolence that oozes from the Qur'an, Hadiths, and islamic temples of hate? My last rhetorical question: Why are Americans expected to eagerly embrace the scum of the earth and not only give them refuge in our beautiful nation, but silently endure their filth, their hate, their inbred intolerance, their incongruous, anachronistic culture and archaic, demented religion, and their farcical delusions of superiority?
America is not yet a total welfare state like most European countries. We don't need hordes of third-world immigrants to make sure granny gets her "free" health care and retirement check. The unskilled, uneducated immigrants that have flooded America over the past forty years are largely responsible for depleting the Social Security fund, not contributing to it. What good are muslims? Who needs them? There is not one single islamic country on earth that is prosperous, free, modern, progressive and safe. Not one! Yet we allow these people to come to our countries and do all they can to turn them into replicas of their own miserable homelands.
Adolf, you are in dire need of an education. I would suggest a nice university in Saudi ARabia or Egypt, or maybe even Iran. Nothing short of a personal experience in the wonderful world of islam will convince people like you what we are dealing with.
Posted by: Susanp at December 5, 2006 12:20 AM
From Peter Gabriel's Games without Frontiers:
Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is bluePosted by: Infidel Pride
They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu
Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
Adolf builds a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
-Whistling tunes we hide in the dunes by the seaside...
-Whistling tunes we piss on the goons in the jungle...
It's a knockout...
at December 5, 2006 1:42 AM
Awake - you are right on.
See Pipes' new website re "Lawful Islamism".
http://www.meforum.org/islamist.php.
This is Islam's most dangerous tentacle today in the USA - it is is marshalling attacks on all our political institutions.
at December 5, 2006 1:46 AM
remote_control:
Under the article "In the U.S., Fear and Distrust of Muslims Runs Deep," you disagreed with a comment of mine where I support Robert's view that the struggle against jihad is about defending human rights, not about conservatives vs. liberals. My response to your disagreement with Robert's view on that is here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014284.php#c313942.
at December 5, 2006 2:03 AM
remote_control makes an excellent point that the six imams would not have been so obvious if they were probing security as part of a "dry run" for a terror attack. They were very unsubtly attempting to provoke a "discriminatory" incident so as to make things easier for Muslims in the U.S. legal system. That they were so foolishly unsubtle in their attempt is no surprise, given how bizarrely unsubtle their culture all too often is.
Infidel Pride also makes a very plausible point:
...by acting this way and making US Airways look like a controversial airline, they at least attempted to soften up any future security checks.Posted by: traeh
at December 5, 2006 2:26 AM
To Infidel Pride:
You said: "...by acting this way and making US Airways look like a controversial airline, they at least attempted to soften up any future security checks."
Sounds right. But I suspect the exact opposite of what the imams intended will be the effect. This sort of obvious Muslim game-playing on airlines will tighten security all the tighter around their cutthroat necks.
at December 5, 2006 2:30 AM
Actually, they should've been banned from boarding any American flight after that!
Posted by: Atlantean at December 5, 2006 2:48 AM
Dear Adolf,
Some people commenting here do go overboard. Don't judge Robert Spencer by the comments here that are intemperate. Spencer doesn't have time to monitor all the comments and he doesn't agree with all of them.
If you want my Islamic sources to back up the statements I make below, don't hesitate to ask.
Adolf, according to Fjordman:
In Denmark, linguist Tina Magaard concludes that Islamic texts encourage terror and fighting to a far greater degree than the original texts of other religions. She has a PhD in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication from the Sorbonne in Paris, and has spent three years on a research project comparing the original texts of ten religions. [Says Magaard:] 'The texts in Islam distinguish themselves from the texts of other religions by encouraging violence and aggression against people with other religious beliefs to a larger degree. There are also straightforward calls for terror. This has long been a taboo in the research into Islam, but it is a fact we need to deal with.'The above quote only concerns violence. But the concern with Islam is more than that. Islam contains a doctrine urging the worldwide domination of non-Muslims under Islamic law. Not all Muslims support that, of course not. But the danger comes from more than a "tiny minority." About half of U.K. Muslims, for example, favor the introduction of shar'ia law to the U.K.
I hope you will take up remote_control's homework assignment for you. Or even better, please read Robert Spencer's The Truth about Muhammad, Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion.
Or Read Jesus and Muhammad, by Mark Gabriel. Gabriel, who has a doctorate in Islamic studies, a second doctorate in Christian education, and a master's in world religions, compares Jesus and Muhammad's actions and lives, as documented by their respective religions, point for point. I guarantee you, you will be shocked at the differences.
Islam is not like the other great religions. While it has some good elements, Islam, unlike Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and Christianity, is more destructive than creative of human potentials. To see one evidence of that assertion, you might go to www.freedomhouse.org and look into their stats on civil liberties and political rights in every nation in the world. You'll discover that the group of Muslim-majority nations is the most backward group in the world in terms of civil liberties and political rights. That state of affairs makes sense, when one knows enough about the totalitarian thrust of the Qur'an, and when one considers the canonical hadith in which, for example, Muhammad says that anyone who tries to abandon his Islamic faith should be killed.
Some Muslims try to deceive about all this. Other Muslims deceive themselves about all this. Islam, following the example of Muhammad recorded in the canonical hadiths, permits deception of non-Muslims in order to help spread Islamic law and domination in the world. Islam, in the Qur'an, also forbids Muslims to make friends with non-Muslims, except deceptively in order to strengthen the Muslim position.
I emphasize that many Muslims do not know about all this, because they only recite the Qur'an in classical Arabic, and not even Arabs, who form a minority of the world's Muslims, entirely understand classical Arabic. Thus many Muslims do not know the details of what their religion says. But classical Arabic is "God's language" -- so that is how it's recited.
One clue that something is gravely wrong is that all the main schools of Islamic law command the death penalty for leaving Islam, and do so based on the actions of Muhammad himself, as described in the canonical hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim.
And again, don't hesitate to ask me for sources to back up any statement above. And while you are learning about Islam, make sure not to exclude the Islam-critics from your reading.
Posted by: traeh at December 5, 2006 3:40 AM
Adolf, What was your first language? I suspect it wasn't English.
"if it isn't being taught a form of Islam twisted by hate that results in the kid blowing itself up later on in its life because it believes honestly it'll be having big orgies in the afterlife; this sadly DOES happen,"
I find it interesting that you refer to children as "IT". What happens to IT, the orgies or the explosion?
"I don't like the direction that this site is going. True, right now you might still think that there are some "moderate" muslims that don't wish you harm, but I wonder how long that attitude can be preserved for."
It warms the cockles of my heart to hear what you don't like.
I worry sometimes that we are "preaching to the choir" It is good to know that we are getting the attention of people like you to whom the Crusades just happened last week. Time warp dance anyone?
at December 5, 2006 9:21 AM
Adolf, In the past I have posted and made comments and later thought, "that might of come off sounding like a bigot". So in that sense I might have regretted my words to make a point. Maybe other posters feel the same, maybe they don't. But this is not a time to get all caught up in political correctness. When I meet a person for the first time, regardless of race, religion, sexuality, or whatever, that person starts at the same place as everyone else. I base everything else off of my interactions with that person, build trust...all that crap. I've met some really cool muslims, live and let live type of folks. Unfortunately, I've met some really messed up muslims too. Living close to NYC you almost can trip over peeps w/ an extreme mentality. This goes for all races, creeds yadda yadda. I'm not gonna befriend these folks, if I saw them on my property I'd confront 'em, or call 5-0. If they came at me in a threatining way I'd defend myself. So if I was preparing to board a plane and ANYONE was acting in a suspicous manner, I would do whatever to insure my survival. In the case we are all talking about, they just happen to be muslim. hmmmmm.......
Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 5, 2006 9:32 AM
please forgive the spelling errors tryin to type quick.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 5, 2006 9:57 AM
Adolf's silence regarding his rash assumptions and accusations is deafening. He's either checking where he was wrong, or he's lying low, waiting for everything to die down before he comes back with a new list of rash assumptions and accusations.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 5, 2006 2:20 PM
Adolph
It seems to me that you do not understand what it is to be a Christian. It is possible to love the enemy and still hate what they stand for.
I wish that we could reach out to the muslim population and show them what they truly stand for and what God has done for us through Jesus Christ. This will be a task that we humans will not be able to do in our own power, but we must rely upon God to give us the wisdom on how to best do this. While saying this we also need to know our enemy even better than he knows himself so that we can be prepared to do what is necessary when the time comes. We do not have a choice on how to approach the coming trials. We must prepare for what is to come, or life as we know it is doomed. The west has been under attack since shortly after the founding of Islam. The current attack on America started in the '70's, if not before. Just look at the historical record. Personally, I do not like the options that seem to be before us, if there is a better way to handle this, we need to do it. So far negotiations have not worked, the only thing that seems to be effective is strength so that those that want to do us harm know that if they try to destroy us, they would in turn be destroyed. Sooner or later there will be a showdown and it will be very destructive.
Posted by: christlover at December 5, 2006 4:32 PM
Is it even possible that these immams can do all the press is reporting, and not have any video, from ANY source? One would think even a passenger with a camera phone, or the terminal video feeds, something should have been recorded.
If not, then the new congress should add that to the 9/11 report, within the first two hours.
Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at December 6, 2006 1:19 AM
DO WE WORSHIP THE SAME GOD?
It shocks me that we are even "still" asking this question!
In the qu'ran ,which is claimed to be the direct words of islams satanic diety allah, he states quite clearly allah is not the God of the Jew and Christian!
Allah is not the God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses And Jesus!
>>>SURAH 9-29,,Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians)
"""WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH"""
and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.[29]
Now my question is this. If we are not going to believe the words of islams satanic diety himself when he clearly states in his book of satanic verses that he is not the God the Jew and christians believe in and worship, then who will we believe?
Dont tell me the taqqiya practicing muslims!
at December 8, 2006 1:05 PM
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