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Pig races and terror attack count websites are expressions of frustration. The official line is that non-Muslims need not be concerned about mosques in their midst, and indeed, they must not be concerned, because such concern is a manifestation of "ignorance" and "bigotry."
But for many American citizens that just doesn't compute. They have seen terror attacks being plotted in mosques. They have seen American Muslims arrested for terrorism-related offenses. They have seen American Muslim leaders concentrate more on blocking anti-terror efforts than on aiding them.
And they know that the organizers of this Houston-area mosque, like all others in the United States, have never even been asked any questions by any official about where their money is coming from, what they will teach in this mosque, and so on -- despite clear evidence that hatred of Jews and Christians and Islamic supremacism is being taught in all too many American mosques.
The cognitive dissonance is growing. No wonder people are holding pig races.
From AP, with thanks to all who sent this in:
KATY, Texas - A plan to build a mosque in this Houston suburb has triggered a neighborhood dispute, with community members warning the place will become a terrorist hotbed and one man threatening to hold pig races on Fridays just to offend the Muslims.Many neighborhood residents claim they have nothing against Muslims and are more concerned about property values, drainage and traffic.
But one resident has set up an anti-Islamic Web site with an odometer-like counter that keeps track of terrorist attacks since Sept. 11. A committee has formed to buy another property and offer to trade it for the Muslims’ land. And next-door neighbor Craig Baker has threatened to race pigs on the edge of the property on the Muslim holy day. Muslims consider pigs unclean and do not eat pork.
“The neighbors have created havoc for us and we didn’t expect that,” said engineer Kamel Fotouh, president of the 500-member Katy Islamic Association.
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site, as well as a community center that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness center and an Islamic school.
“We just bought it,” Fotouh said. “And we are going to use it. We have the right like any one of them.”
Katy, population 13,000, is a mix of middle-class bedroom-community neighborhoods and small farms on Houston’s western edge and boasts of being the hometown of Oscar-winning actress Renee Zellweger. It is 70 percent white and 24 percent Hispanic.
The Houston metropolitan area has about 170,000 Muslims, according to the Islamic Society of Greater Houston, and among their many mosques is one built in Houston by former NBA star Hakeem Olajuwon.
The Islamic association bought the land in Katy in September for $1.1 million. It said the overall cost of the project has not been determined.
Dispute started with cattle
The dispute began when the group asked Baker to remove his cattle from their newly bought land. Baker agreed but mistakenly thought the Muslims also wanted him off the land his family has lived on for more than 100 years. The rumor spread.
Baker, who makes marble and granite fixtures for kitchens and bathrooms and also owns livestock, said he got so mad he put up a sign announcing the pig races.
Baker’s attempt to offend missed its mark, according to Fotouh. Muslims do not hate pigs, he said; they just don’t eat them.
As for the Web site, the address is virtually identical to that of the Katy Islamic Association. The site claims the neighbors will have to hear the Muslim call to prayer from the mosque’s minaret five times a day — the Islamic group denies that — and offers an audio sample.
Besides keeping track of the running total of post-Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the Web site provides home addresses of some association members and advises people who see anything suspicious to contact the FBI. Many people have sent anti-Islamic e-mails to the site.
Posted by Robert at December 8, 2006 8:07 AM
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What about this? - a new trend in the making
Muslim Cop Sues New York Over Anti-Muslim E-Mail
“Burning the hate-filled Koran should be viewed as a public service at the least.” Hundreds of such e-mails were sent to police by a former CIA agent advising the NYPD on counterterrorism issues. Now a Muslim undercover agent is filing a lawsuit.
http://civoc.com/society/?p=15
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at December 8, 2006 8:35 AM
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site, as well as a community center that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness center and an Islamic school.
this sounds like a whole village of muslims on ll acres. how many hate sprewing muslims can you squeeze in ll acres?
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 8, 2006 8:44 AM
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site, as well as a community center that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness center and an Islamic school.
this is proof they do not want to assimilate and become Americans, they just want to implant their
cult to Texas.
at December 8, 2006 8:44 AM
Time to spread 11 acres worth of pig poop I'd say.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 8:48 AM
Mosques=WalMarts of jihad.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 8:51 AM
OT: In which category should we vote for Jihadwatch.org? I thought we could probably sweep best LGBT, but that would probably be misleading.
Cordially,
Posted by: longtime lurker at December 8, 2006 8:52 AM
“The neighbors have created havoc for us and we didn’t expect that,” said engineer Kamel Fotouh, president of the 500-member Katy Islamic Association.
Well, seems like the chickens - the pigs if you prefer - are COMING BACK TO ROOST, Babay!!!!
You moslems have been creating HAVOC throughout the world for hundreds of years!!
Just we haven't noticed while we were busy with a few wars amongst ourselves.
The dust has cleared now and our common enemy ic coming clearly into focus...
I say hold some PIG RACES and some good ol' fashioned Q's as well... yummm
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 8:56 AM
Screw the pig races! They'll just hire infidels to clean up the mess, and have some immam declare the site "sanctafied."
Fight these bastards with the damn zoning ordinances; use the domain and public use legislation already on the books!
Hell, condem the land and put in a homeless shelter!
Fight these vermin here and now! The line is drawn!
Posted by: witness at December 8, 2006 8:59 AM
AMERICA IS probably the only county in the would that allows foreigners to purchase land. WHY???
Go to other countries and see if you can buy land. NOT!!
Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 8, 2006 9:00 AM
Mosques=WalMarts of jihad.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
It's the rare reward we get from time to time: One of our members says something so truthful and to the point but in a way bound to crack you up!
LOL
at December 8, 2006 9:02 AM
I've been looking to find that so-called bigoted website. Anyone who can help out?
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 9:11 AM
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site, as well as a community center that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness center and an Islamic school.
Sounds lovely - a miniature version of the Gaza Strip.
Does Houston have any kind of zoning regulations at all? What they are planning on doing doesn't sound any different that what David Koresh did in Waco. So what gives here?
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 9:14 AM
I've been looking to find that so-called bigoted website. Anyone who can help out?
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 09:11 AM
Hate to tell you but that "bigoted" website will be found around the time someone uncovers the mythical moderate Muslims.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 9:15 AM
Here in Boca Raton we have one mosque, but they're trying to build a second, and the city keeps finding excuses to block various building permits to complete the second one which is about half finished. Muslims are not welcome in Boca Raton. Thank God we have a Jewish mayor.
Posted by: Bonniea at December 8, 2006 9:22 AM
The only reason why we have this islamic issue in the first place is because of certain people running this government from both parties.
We LOST victory in Iraq because of them; you have these terrorist cells building "cultural centers" in YOUR neighborhood because of them; YOUR ports in YOUR country was nearly given to YOUR enemy because of them; now this:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Dubai Ports World, the Arab-owned firm whose purchase of American port facilities caused a U.S. political uproar, will join a program aimed at stopping nuclear weapons being smuggled into the United States, sources familiar with the agreement said on Thursday.
I'm in a real bad mood this morning because I a fed with people who take my tax money to enrich themselves; import my enemies; and insult me by telling me that everything is fine.
It isn't fine!
Posted by: witness at December 8, 2006 9:23 AM
Arnie,
Yes, I saw an article about that NYPD CyberUnit cop suing the city. It seems to have gone without comment in the press hereabouts (NYC).
Funny, reading the article one can see many of the comments could have come straight off of these pages (JW commentaries). And this:
'But it’s not the first time that Bruce Tefft, the former CIA agent who is said to have spent years working for the agency in African countries, is being criticized for his views on Islam.
He already attracted public attention in October of 2004, when he participated in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism. “Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu’ran,” he said then, according to the paper Canadian Jewish News. During the discussion, Tefft admitted there might be moderate Muslims but insisted that Islam itself is immoderate.'
My God! Those could be Robert Spencer's words. So, if they silence Bruce Tefft, will Spencer be next?
at December 8, 2006 9:25 AM
From where did a 500-member group cough up 1.1 mil?
Posted by: loler at December 8, 2006 9:26 AM
"I've been looking to find that so-called bigoted website. Anyone who can help out?"
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 09:11 AM
http://www.katyislamicassociation.com
http://www.katyislamicassociation.net
Posted by: Malinois at December 8, 2006 9:30 AM
Thank God we have a Jewish mayor.
Posted by: Bonniea at December 8, 2006 09:22 AM
Good thing he's more Netanyahu than Olmert. Being Jewish these days is meaningless if they imitate a man whose coma is deeper than Ariel Sharon's.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 9:33 AM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Dubai Ports World, the Arab-owned firm whose purchase of American port facilities caused a U.S. political uproar, will join a program aimed at stopping nuclear weapons being smuggled into the United States, sources familiar with the agreement said on Thursday.
I'm in a real bad mood this morning because I a fed with people who take my tax money to enrich themselves; import my enemies; and insult me by telling me that everything is fine.
It isn't fine!
Posted by: witness
You can vote George W. Bush for Dhimmi of the year 2006 here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014330.php#comments
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 9:37 AM
Here in Boca Raton we have one mosque, but they're trying to build a second, and the city keeps finding excuses to block various building permits to complete the second one which is about half finished. Muslims are not welcome in Boca Raton. Thank God we have a Jewish mayor.
Posted by: Bonniea
And Thank God his name ain't Bloomberg.
at December 8, 2006 9:39 AM
Being Jewish these days is meaningless if they imitate a man whose coma is deeper than Ariel Sharon's...
Interesting and insightful metaphor for Isreal. One PM is literally in a comma; his replacement might as well be.
Posted by: witness at December 8, 2006 9:39 AM
Hate to tell you but that "bigoted" website will be found around the time someone uncovers the mythical moderate Muslims.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS
I finally figured out what a moderate moslem is: One who hasn't been "converted" yet.
at December 8, 2006 9:40 AM
From where did a 500-member group cough up 1.1 mil?
Posted by: loler
Even when money is given to you, it is subject to a ..drum roll... ****GIFT TAX****.
I'd like to know where this money came from and if it entered this country via the proper channels. Where's the intrepid npr reporters investigating this?
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 9:42 AM
wonder when (and how) laws and even the constitution will change to reflect the political nature of islam.
why give a tax exemption to a fifth column? why give public legitimacy to islam, as if it were primarily a "religion" and not a social order?
at December 8, 2006 9:57 AM
My God! Those could be Robert Spencer's words. So, if they silence Bruce Tefft, will Spencer be next?
Posted by: Vee at December 8, 2006 09:25 AM
I think it is the chance to show the problem to a wider audience. Bruce Tefft is quite clever and he didn't say anything that isn't true, did he?
We just need to support him in his defence and underline the truth of his remarks.
at December 8, 2006 9:58 AM
I finally figured out what a moderate moslem is: One who hasn't been "converted" yet.
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 8, 2006 09:40 AM
Please think about the roles of the so called "moderates" in the jihad.
Of course they(jihadists) need them and are the puppets of the jihad. As soon as they have gained some ground then you can see , exactly in the same time, the rise of moderates in that area to hold positions for the next steps.
Posted by: Arnie at December 8, 2006 10:05 AM
This is what America is all about!! Forget the courts, forget about terrorists' "feeeeeelllliiinnngggss". Just do what you have to do to get the job done!!
Posted by: BlueJeanPreachin at December 8, 2006 10:10 AM
Radical Muslims throw bombs, shoot people in the head and want to take over the world.
Moderate Muslims don't do these things. They merely deny that radical Muslims exist at all.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 10:17 AM
A moderate muslim is one who is forced to exist among a largely non muslim and not very sympathetic society.
A radical muslim is one who finds power and succor from a large and growing larger, muslim population. The higher the percentage of muslims, the more radical they reveal themslves to be.
There appear to be no exceptions to the above.
at December 8, 2006 11:27 AM
I don't understand all this fuss about this mosque. Who wouldn't want one in their neighborhood? You get a free wake up call each and every morning. Plus, you're less likely to be attacked by a "dirty" bomb because the peaceful ones wouldn't want THEIR wives and kids to die horribly. And of course, you get to celebrate Halloween all year long with the faithful running around in their shrouds and turbans. What's not to like about this?
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 8, 2006 11:57 AM
http://www.katyislamicassociation.net
From Malinois' post; Seems to be turning into something bigger than a small-town discussion. And a healthy one among people of differing levels of awareness.
Posted by: limes at December 8, 2006 12:00 PM
Even when money is given to you, it is subject to a ..drum roll... ****GIFT TAX****. Posted by Americaningermany
Religions are exempt from all taxes, including property taxes..which incidentally means that they are those agents of the state. Since it is from the state that they get special treatment (tax exemption) then the only way they can maintain those privilges is by being faithful and obedient and loyal servants of the state.. (fealty a remnant of the feudal relationship between King and subject).
Solution is not palatable to believing Americans, because the real solution is to remove the tax exempt status of ALL religions, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Jain whatever.
As regards funding of mosques, we all know where that money comes from. The patrons of Cheney, Bush, and James Baker.. The Saudis'.
Posted by: Nariz at December 8, 2006 12:03 PM
Here's a thought, though.....
You know the saying "keep your friends closer, keep your enemies closer"?
At least the residents of Katy will be accutely aware of anything going on in that mosque. Trust me...the reality is that most of the population going to that mosque have never read the whole Koran and hadith and can't be bothered with global jihad (which is why they don't know what the hell they're asking for when they ask for Sharia law). However, the majority of Muslims don't have to be terrorists to wage global Jihad. How many people can one bomb, planted by one person kill? I don't even want to count.
Whether they build Mosques or not, they congregate and meet. At least now, we'll know where to start looking.
Just an idea.
Posted by: citycat at December 8, 2006 12:09 PM
Witness sez: "One PM is literally in a comma . . ."
Reminds me of a really funny tape I heard years ago by a Canadian group called the Canadian Air Farce: It was a telegram being dictated by a doctor: "Have operated on colon semi-colon patient now has semi-colon colon is in semi-coma comma and patient's heart may stop STOP"
Katy, Texas is not too far away from where this Texan lives.
There is no zoning in Houston, Texas, but many commnities throughout the state have deed restrictions which can be enforced by the city in which the property lies.
I defended a homeowner in Katy, Texas years ago on a charge of violating the deed restrictions, and won after a two or three day trial.
If one is doing an investigation of this incident, one would be well advised to start with the deed to the property and see if any covenants are being violated. If they are, Texas law provides for recovery of attorney fees to a winning plaintiff, but not to a winning defendant. This little wrinkle gives an edge to the plaintiff.
Posted by: texan at December 8, 2006 12:23 PM
These same Americans would have objected to a huge church complex going up next door to them. Not as vociferously as to this mega mosque but there would have been rancor.
I wish good luck to these Texans in keeping out that Mosque. Most likely Saudi funded. Good luck on those Friday pig races
Posted by: dennisw at December 8, 2006 12:25 PM
From the article: Baker’s attempt to offend missed its mark, according to Fotouh. Muslims do not hate pigs, he said; they just don’t eat them.
The gentleman ought to tell that to the moslems in Great Britian so that the merchants who were told to remove pig figurines can return them to their shop windows and so that banks can give out piggy bands again.
Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at December 8, 2006 12:47 PM
The thing that leaped out from the article for me was the assertion there is 170,000 muslims in the Houston area. If the population was that large, there would be mosques everywhere in Houston, and the idea of building a new mosque in the outskirts of town would be nothing new. That number represents something like 3% of the entire population of the greater Houston area, which according to Wikipedia, has a population of 5.3 million, of which 2 million live in the city itself.
So I went to the Census bureau's statistical abstracts on religion at http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/population/religion/
According to table 69, of all adults in the United States (which appear to represent 2/3rds of the total population of the United States), only 1/2 of 1% of all adults self-identify as Muslim or Islamic. If we assume that number is constant across the nation (rather than concentrated in areas such as Dearborn), that means the number in Houston would be more like 28,000 muslims.
My guess would be that number would be roughly half that--because large numbers of the 1.1 million self-identified muslims would probably live in areas such as Dearborn--which would make the number more like 14,000.
A far cry from the 170,000 that the Islamic Society of Greater Houston is claiming.
Posted by: William Woody at December 8, 2006 12:57 PM
slightly of topic I admit but I wonder if this could be the underlying cause of Muslim hatred, vindictivness and resentment.
The article mentions "Indians" but I think we can all safely assume this refers to Moslems; and not our Sikh, Hindu, Jain and Budhist allies who along with Christians and Jews are enormous!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6161691.stm
Posted by: hierophant at December 8, 2006 1:31 PM
The neighbors have created havoc for us and we didn’t expect that,” said engineer Kamel Fotouh, president of the 500-member Katy Islamic Association.
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site, as well as a community center that would offer after-school activities, housing for senior citizens, a fitness center and an Islamic school.
“We just bought it,” Fotouh said. “And we are going to use it. We have the right like any one of them.
the thing is no one else is building a church on this case a mosque in katy, is 13,000 people there that don't want a mosque compared to 500 that do thing to do is to have the city of Houston pass zoning regulations forbidding the building churches mosque and synagogues in residential and farm areas here British Columbia several seik groups wanted to build a temple on area designated farmland because land which was cheap, they got turned down that is away for Katie to stop a mosque the mosque from being built and it is so many mosques in Houston why do they need a new one??Fotouh with is attitude is not like to make many friends in Houston he is showing that typical Muslim arrogance towards those he undoubtably considers infidels, all you do is that what happened to Christendom's greatest church when Muslims overran Constantinople
at December 8, 2006 1:47 PM
"As regards funding of mosques, we all know where that money comes from. The patrons of Cheney, Bush, and James Baker.. The Saudis'".
We always hear of the Saudis funding all those new mosques. I wonder if their archrivals the Iranians are in this dirty business as well. If so, will we see rival gangs of Islamaniacs gunning each other down in the streets of America ala the Bloods and the Crips? All this mosque building needs to stop-there are more than enough already. Zoning laws should be passed to prevent or at least slow the growth of this trend. Give these losers a taste of dhimmitude and see how much THEY like it.
at December 8, 2006 1:51 PM
America....WAKE UP . Fact, it's already too late! all mosques should be closed imediately.
Posted by: fuzzflyer1 at December 8, 2006 2:15 PM
food for thought...if these are the same people....from their website.
Board of Trustees (Majlis Ash-Shura)
Kamel Fotouh, President
Yousuf Shaikh, Vice-President
Ahmer Feroze, Director
Fiaz Zaman, Director
kamel...
http://www.che.utexas.edu/che-faculty/United-States/Texas/Prairie-View-A&M-University.html
ahmer...
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Feroze%2C%20Ahmer
fiaz...
http://www.1-800-laserdr.com/lasik-surgeons/texas.html
Yousuf Shaikh seems to be a common name.
The site is 2 minutes from a small air port which in turn is a short hop to Bush International.
Hmmmmm....
Posted by: anonamustafa at December 8, 2006 4:40 PM
food for thought...if these are the same people....from their website.
Board of Trustees (Majlis Ash-Shura)
Kamel Fotouh, President
Yousuf Shaikh, Vice-President
Ahmer Feroze, Director
Fiaz Zaman, Director
kamel...
http://www.che.utexas.edu/che-faculty/United-States/Texas/Prairie-View-A&M-University.html
ahmer...
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Feroze%2C%20Ahmer
fiaz...
http://www.1-800-laserdr.com/lasik-surgeons/texas.html
Yousuf Shaikh seems to be a common name.
The site is 2 minutes from a small air port which in turn is a short hop to Bush International.
Hmmmmm....
Posted by: anonamustafa at December 8, 2006 4:40 PM
The muslims are alway inflating their numbers, trying to make up for their little dicks. When the pig races start I hope that there will also be pork barbque and beer. I would be happy to take a trip and support the cause.
Posted by: Truth at December 8, 2006 4:58 PM
"The muslims are alway inflating their numbers, trying to make up for their little dicks. When the pig races start I hope that there will also be pork barbque and beer. I would be happy to take a trip and support the cause."
Hi Truth
please don't be complacent, I have three words to say to you - demographics demographics demographics
In France only 10% of the population is Muslim (some people say it is a lot more) : 30% of youngsters are Muslim (some say more) The most popular name for new born children in France and Belgium is Mohammed. Only takes a generation (60 years?) Fucking hell I'm sounding rascist- please ignore everything I just said - just ranting - everyone is the same - diversity is our strength - less is more - strength through joy - everything is ok - blah blah blah - what ever - minger - looser - big hairy cocks! sorry about the Tourettes. Al hum dil il Allah
Posted by: hierophant at December 8, 2006 5:55 PM
Katy, Texas is a suburb of Houston, but it is not really part of the "city" of Houston.
Katy is a separate, independent city. It has its own mayor and city council, its own police force and fire department, and an independent pubic school district. Laws and zoning regulations passed by the city of Houston have no effect there.
Posted by: texan at December 8, 2006 6:45 PM
“The neighbors have created havoc for us and we didn’t expect that,” said engineer Kamel Fotouh, president of the 500-member Katy Islamic Association.
"Well, Gee... I didn't think that" Department.
Posted by: Monkeywho at December 8, 2006 6:52 PM
I left a message on Craig Baker's(Katy Texas) answering machine last night. I hope my words give him encouragement although my guess is he doesn't need it. Lord..I love pigs..almost as much as I loath islam.
Posted by: pismopal at December 8, 2006 11:09 PM
Fotouh vowed to press ahead with plans for a mosque on the 11-acre site...
What this means is that these 11 acres, now belong to Islam, for ever!
Few people can comprehend what this means.
Posted by: Alert at December 8, 2006 11:11 PM
I live in Katy and this gives me the creeps. We do not have a synagogue here BTW - plenty of Christian churches and now a mosque. There are lots of head scarves in the grocery stores etc. More and more moving in and now this mosque.
Posted by: sheiknbake4pork at December 9, 2006 8:12 AM
I'm glad that those of you that read the article by Rasha with AP were able to read between the lines. On the home page of www.katyislamicassociation.net
scroll down to learn more about the inacuracies of her "biased" report. You can also read Craig Baker's personal letter (and keep updated on the pig races) at www.americanpigrace.com
FYI pismopal, the answering machine at Craig's office does not record messages. You'll have to call back during business hours for him to get a message. Thank you, anonamustafa, for your research on some of the members.
TNT
at December 11, 2006 1:20 AM
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