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December 8, 2006

Fitzgerald: The inexpert experts

A poster at this website recently asserted about the jihad in Thailand that “The underlying issue is essentially an ethno- nationalist one – it is bound up with Malay identity and the failure of the government in Bangkok to accommodate Malay aspirations. Religion is very much a secondary issue."

Utter nonsense.

"Rohan Gunaranta [sic], a renowned expert on Islamic terrorism, also affirmed the same: He pointed out the parallels with Chechnya and Kashmir. ‘Those groups were initially nationalist but eventually developed a pan-Islamist outlook,’ he said. ‘I believe that within the next five years southern Thailand will become like the southern Philippines.’"

He also pinned high hopes earlier on that coup in Thailand, saying: "The coup was "a great opportunity that cannot be missed." [Telegraph, UK, 29 Sept 2006]."

Gunaratna is not the least offending, but he is all over the place, solemnly delivering himself, like so many of these "terrorism experts," either of the pointlessly obvious or of the entirely misleading. There are so many of these people. Every network has at least a few of them on well-paid retainer. Their self-assured ignorance, and the description of them as "terrorism experts" by the respectful newscaster (so-and-so is a "terrorism expert" who is then consulted for his semi-worthless or downright idiotic opinion) leave the credulous public worse off, by telling it what to think, than that public would be were it asked to make sense of things itself -- without benefit of false authority.

It is the ex-Muslims, the defectors from Islam, the people who know all about it and are permanently unfoolable, who should be consulted in the corridors of power and in the broadcasting houses of the Western world. By and large, they are not touched with a ten-foot-pole.

Has Ayaan Hirsi Ali been to Congress or the White House? Has anyone in Washington asked to see a group -- Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, and many others -- of those clear-eyed defectors? Or is there a fear of the reaction should sinister CAIR find out about it?

Is that it? We shall all suffer, made to endure or perhaps even share continuing widespread confusion, because of timidity and fear and ignorance on the part of those whose duty it is to instruct and protect us?

There is a story, reported as fact and not as apocryphal by Woodward, I believe, that Bush didn’t understand or even know about the difference between Sunnis and Shi’ites. But even if such a story were apocryphal, it is clear that no one making policy believed that there would be the hostilities between Sunnis unwilling to acquiesce in the loss of political and economic power, and Shi'a unwilling to give the Sunnis (why should they?) what they want. Once Saddam Hussein was removed, those hostilities became inevitable. The timetable and the ferocity of those hostilities might vary a little depending on the acts of the Americans, but the outcome -- not at all. And the same goes for what the Kurds see as their one chance at independence which, despite the existence of some Kurds in the so-called national government (President Talebani, etc.) remains an inextinguishable desire.

Those who made policy in 2002-2003 were snookered or inveigled by Shi'a in exile, westernized, secular, attractive Shi'a, who assured one and all that all manner of things would be well once the Americans invaded. They forgot to add: all manner of things shall be well for us. As for you Americans, who cares?

And now that Wolfowitz and others who listened to all those assurances are out, a new group of American policymakers has arisen. These are the ones now prepared to stay in Iraq because they are credulous believers in what the Saudi, Egyptian, and Jordanian rulers tell them. They "must" stop Iran, but not, of course, by dealing with Iran's nuclear project (no, that would help Israel). They "must" stop it by remaining in Iraq to make sure the Sunnis get their share, and of course that "share" as defined by the Sunnis is far more than what the Shi'a or anyone else save those Sunni Arabs would consider to be their "share."

First the Shi'a call the tune, now the Sunnis. And the Americans remain eager to please, incapable of figuring out why they should leave and let whatever hostilities can continue to simmer continue forever. Instead of deploring such hostilities or trying to head them off, they should wish devoutly for aid to come from Hizballah in Lebanon (thereby using up volunteers and weakening Hizballah in Lebanon), and from Iran on one side, and from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan on the other, with Syria, as always, allowing both Sunni volunteers, and Iranian weaponry were necessary, to pass through. That is a way for the Alawite ruler to assure, as he sees it, his own continued survival. He's very likely wrong.

But so are the Americans. When Gates says we must get it right and avoid all kinds of bad things happening in Iraq -- you know, bad things like the Saudis and Iranians fighting a proxy or not-so-proxy war -- he has it all backwards. But what did you expect, of such a company man? Did you think he had spent the last several years studying up on Islam? What was the ratio, do you think, of the time he spent attending football games with big donors or supporters at Texas A. & M., to the amount of time he spent studying the one subject that he and everyone else involved in the making of foreign policy, or even in having an intelligent opinion about foreign policy, should be studying: the tenets and attitudes and atmospherics of Islam, and the worldwide manifestations and varied instruments of Jihad?

Posted by Hugh at December 8, 2006 4:55 PM
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I believe it is a much much greater accomplishment for us to convince the LGF crowd that pulling out will be good for the camp of kafirs than it is instructing the useless leftowhackos of the dangers of Jihad. The LGF crowd which Im part of is so sensible and carries a breath of fresh air, but swallows and regurgitates in whole the nonsense spewed by the administration on Iraq. They are cognitively dissonant I believe as they perfectly well understand the contempt ANY established muslim political entity (a country) has for America whether Indonesia or Pakistan or the Arab states and just how they dont want to square this up with the implications of their definition of "victory" in Iraq. Its a really really sad situation to watch.
Anybody agree with me on this?

Posted by: Tushar Saxena [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 5:13 PM

I say WE CUT [their throats] AND RUN.

Posted by: germaninamerica [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 6:15 PM

Thx, Hugh. By the way, I've had a lot of trouble voting in the dhimmi election due to posting troubles. Consider this post a test - I just rebooted my laptop.
Excellent points made here, and I just wanted to add that I didn't see much in the way of Islam experts on the committee. Sort of like appointing eunuchs to study sexual behavior issues.

Posted by: jewdog [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 6:42 PM

Utter nonsense.

"Rohan Gunaranta [sic], a renowned expert on Islamic terrorism, also affirmed the same: He pointed out the parallels with Chechnya and Kashmir. ‘Those groups were initially nationalist but eventually developed a pan-Islamist outlook,’ he said. ‘I believe that within the next five years southern Thailand will become like the southern Philippines.’"

...

Jemaah Islamiah stated its goal of a caliphate
including Thailand, Philippines, parts of Oz etc
years ago - eg:

http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2003/288/ji-288.html
Bombers in our backyard
What we now know about Jemaah Islamiah

By Anna Melman

[...]

Goals and Origins
Ideological figurehead: JI co-founder Abu Bakar
Bashir

JI’s goal is to establish a Daulah Islamiah, an
Islamic caliphate, stretching across Southeast
Asia, incorporating Indonesia, Malaysia,
Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Brunei, the
Philippines and parts of northern Australia.

[...]

Posted by: Xaragma [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 7:30 PM

"First the Shi'a call the tune, now the Sunnis. And the Americans remain eager to please, incapable of figuring out why they should leave and let whatever hostilities can continue to simmer continue forever".

The Iraq mess may not be Ahmadinejadized, but it has become Clintonized in trying to be all things to all people in the effort to please all. Hugh would be a perfect expert in government on the whole mess known as Islamania but it wouldn't have him. Only flunkies need apply. And so the mess continues with no end in sight.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 9:15 PM

Is it time for an update on the destructon of the Peer review system in higher education anything new on this front?

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1943

Posted by: KAOSKTRL [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 9:39 PM

The problems with most of our politicians is that they judge islam according to their own understanding and mindeset and not considering the islmaic mindset which is so different.

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 8, 2006 11:21 PM

I totally agree with Hugh. The tempting benefits of pan-Islamist support are too great for local angry Muslims to resist.

It's like claiming that the Spanish Civil War was just a local one, when you had Leftists from all around the world flocking to the fight.

Those who engage in these deceptive arguments are the Atlanticists. The Atlanticists want to portray their fight as globally-relevant and principled, while portraying everybody else's fighting as frivolous local squabbling.

The Atlanticists are cunning masters of manipulative doublespeak.

Posted by: sanman [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 9, 2006 11:04 AM


Good column, Hugh. As always.

Posted by: DCWatson [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 9, 2006 1:02 PM

I'm still waiting to go to a bar with you so I can pick fights and then be rescued.

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 10, 2006 12:11 AM

Hugh,
Rohan Gunaratna is not an "inexpert expert" his book on terrorism in Sri Lanka is very well written and takes a balanced view of the problem.

Posted by: rocky [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 11, 2006 7:15 AM

Living in Thailand I am probably closer than may to the issues here.

The local newspapers never refer to Muslims only insurgents. Ironically the original problem were from the local mafia types but it was soon seen as the ideal opportunity for the expansion of Islam and since then it has well and truly been an Islamic issue.

It has however been presented as a Malay incursion issue in many publications here. This is a very Thai way of dealing with the problem.

Posted by: JamesThailand [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 12, 2006 3:23 AM

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