But given that the USA is once again promoting old anti-semitic skeletons from the closet right into the white house there is hope that the electorate in Israel will choose to go with a sterner Man at the Helm next time.

The time for Benyamin Netanyahu has come.

There is but one language these savages understand. FORCE. Brute Force. Brutal and unapologetic Force.

Better an end with horrors than a horror without end.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 4:49 PM

http://www.devilducky.com/media/44421/

Heavy liberal, but still funny.

Posted by: DrWolffenstein at December 9, 2006 4:50 PM

So what.If the time comes will he or any other P.M. give the go ahead.This is the question.Either Isreal will or Isreal wont have to.But be assurd if Isreal does go, it better make its shots count.Becouse any missed shots will certenly ware on the global community.Clearly somthing is going to have to be done.The clock is tiking.And the ground is being prepared.So sooner or later some government(s)are going to have to decide. Its only a matter of time.Unless Iran decides its nukes and related programs are a BAD ideal.And scraps it.Hay it could happen.Right?Or the global commnity could be pasive,and Isreal will then take action,and then the globalists can let Isreal be the whiping boy.After all Isreal is not most favord nation in many circles.

Posted by: Rench at December 9, 2006 4:55 PM

Earlier, IDF Deputy Chief of Staff Maj.-Gen. Moshe Kaplinsky told a meeting of mayors and local council leaders that Iran had nuclear capability that would "threaten not only Israel, but all of Europe."

Surely you jest, sir! If we just appease Iran just a little bit longer, we'll become their most trusted ally and friend. We'll be perfectly safe.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at December 9, 2006 4:59 PM

I read your link GIA, all of it. Condi is also supporting Baker. Both sides are laying out their arguments for and against the plan.

I've been accused of "bashing" Bush for being sick of his appeasements. It is now up to HIM. If he goes along with the Baker team then all bets are off on him being an inoccent little victim of bad advice. This is his baby. Let's see what he does with it.

Re Olmert: Israel has every right to defend itself -- preemptively if required! IMO, the US should be backing up Israel fully. The land Olmert is willing to cede for "peace" is needed as a buffer zone for military reasons. He shouldn't do it. Olmert should tell monkey boy from Iran that he's messin' with Israel's very existence and that he will not hesitate to vaporize Iran if that's what they insist upon.

It makes me sick that Bush is not telling that Gdamned asshat from Iran -- you even think about continuing your nuclear development and we will take you out!!

Remember the Cuban missile crisis? Did JFK wet himself and back down? No, he stood up to those bastards! Why isn't Bush and Olmert doing this now with Iran?! Afraid of what's left of Russia? China? BS!

Okay, I'll shut up now. I'm just going to wait and see what BUSH DOES!

Posted by: Sasha at December 9, 2006 5:28 PM

Time for Iran's chief simian to chat with his Mahdi again. No more ogling those hussies in the Emirates anymore!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 9, 2006 5:51 PM

This requires no attempts to prevent by the American government, and possibly would require assistance in the form of intelligence at the very least, and possibly certain kinds of weaponry as well, from the American government. The attitude of Mr. Gates is quite different from that of Donald Rumsfeld. He made two disturbing remarks, that deserve note, on the subject of nuclear weapons.

First, he referred to Israel's nuclear capability. It has always been agreed that there would be no public admission by Americna officials of that capability, just as Israel has neither confirmed nor denied what everyone knows it has. Why? Because studied vagueness is best in order to deflect the charges, by the Arabs and the usual antisemites, that Israel "must give up its weapons" if the Arabs are too. This argument, which amounts to a demand for the Israelis to commit suicide, has been put forth by, among others, Lt. Gen. (ret'd.) William Odom, who says -- without any concern, apparently, that he will be seen for exactly what he is, or correctly labelled as such -- who says that Iran can "only" be expected to give up its nuclear weapons if Israel is pressured or forced into doing so. There is no doubt that Lt. Gen. (ret'd.) William Odom would love to see Israel facing its enemies, stripped of its nuclear weapons. That's the kind of guy he is.

And the public statement on Israel's nuclear capability, by Gates, was made in the course of giving almost a justification for Iran's nuclear program. Iran, he said, "feels threatened" by the nuclear weapons possessed by Pakistan to its east, by Russia to its north, by Israel to its west, and by American forces to its south in the Gulf.

Would he explain away, or justify, the nuclear program of Kim Chon-Il by nothing that North Korea is "threatened" by nuclear powers to its north (Russia), to its west (China), to its east and south by the American nuclear submarines and naval fleets in the Sea of Japan and in the North Pacific? Of course not.

Even the slightest hint of thinking in the same way, or providing the same arguments as, the apologists for the nucelar program of the Islamic Republic of Iran - the apologists such as Ahmadinejad -- is unacceptable.

What Gates said is unacceptable. The Senators should have noted that, and read him the riot act on that.

And though all but 2 voted to confirm, they can still -- those who voted for him -- still bring up this remark, and demand clarification. I suggest John McCain do the asking, but it could be anyone. It could be a Democrat.

Weak on Iran, it sounds like, is Robert Gates. Don't let that part of his hearings go unremarked, and uncriticized.

Posted by: Hugh at December 9, 2006 6:02 PM

Olmert is a naive idiot. Ditch Olmert and Reinstate Netanyahu.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 9, 2006 6:10 PM

Olmert not ruling out attack on Iran (*-

It is simply inevitable given the fact the clowns in Iran are playing with fire (provoking the US and Israel repeatedly). However, it is not convincing when Olmet states that attack on Iran is in the plan. It would be interesting if any of the Arab states react to this comment. If none of them react then Iran is alone which will get good spanking.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at December 9, 2006 6:27 PM

Hulegu Khan

I sincerely your wish comes true.

Unfortunately, Olmert is a bigger Dhimmi then most.

Posted by: DP111 at December 9, 2006 6:35 PM

well it's about time unfortunately our Muslim Congress critter and his allies will start screaming blue murder if Israel defends itself after all these people want to see Israel gone and United States to become Iran West a.k.a. Islamic Republic of a great Satan a.k.a. the Islamic Republic of the United States where Islamic law is followed, where and when the Koran is what the Constitution and based on. So the sooner Israel attacks the better and I hope they use their nuclear weapons and utterly destroy any hope of a Muslim bomb from Iran because if Iran manages to make enough nuclear bomb material to make a some warheads for their immediate range ballistic missiles their first target will be Tel Aviv a second target Washington, DC because I'm a nut job seems to think if he gets Washington, DC that the United States will surrender where he would be doing as a favor getting rid of all the lobbyists in Washington, DC as well as a bunch of traitorous politicians.

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 9, 2006 6:58 PM

I agree with what you said Hugh. I also read the report of Gates blurting out that Israel has nuclear weapons.

Also, for anyone to argue that Iran is justified in seeking nuclear weapons because Israel, or anyone else, has them is absurd.

Ahmadinejad has stated publicly that he wants to wipe Israel off the map. I take him at his word on that. And, so richly documented by this website, could anyone trust radical Islamists with nuclear weapons?

Ahmadinejad is not merely a threat to Israel but also to the entire region and Europe. I don't believe Israel has the conventional weapons to neutralize Iran's nuclear program. The US does. I heard a USAF General (who shall remain unnamed) say that about 1000 sorties would need to be flown to do it.

If Bush decides not to do it then the situation accelerates into a far worse condition -- a nuclear strike by Israel. Many more lives will be lost in that scenario.

If both Bush and Olmert follow "F'-the-Jews" Baker's plan, which will allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, then we have shades of Ezekial 38...

Posted by: Sasha at December 9, 2006 7:25 PM

It's the winners that write the history. It's time for us to write a little history.

Posted by: USBeast at December 9, 2006 7:50 PM

Its time to reconsider assassination as a tool of warfare against the Islamic rulers who threaten us everyday. We go after Bin Laden, we went after Saddam, why not the head of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah? If we had had a chance to kill Hitler and Tojo during WWII would we have taken it? You bet. What's the difference? Right now these murderous leaders are getting a free pass. Yet they have declared war on us and are prosecuting that war aggressively. And we do nothing but debate the value of the ISG report, which is worthless. Taking a few of these guys out will send a clear signal that the gloves are off.

Posted by: gordo at December 9, 2006 8:00 PM

The trouble with Baker, Clinton, Bush, Albright, Kerry, Rumsfeld, Kennedy, Olmert, et al is that they are ALL of the same globalist cloth.

By suggesting that we "do something" about Iran (by gawd we should have done it two years ago!) we are suggesting something anathama to the globalist mindset -- "unilateral self-interest."

The organ grinder monkey ruling Iran is hated because he sounds like a "nationalist" to the global elites; and they don't cotton to nationalists.

Olmert won't do jack and the moneky knows it; and the fact that in his deranged lunacy that he is suggesting that "land for peace" is a viable option is just about as delusional as the ape's "green visions" at the UN.

No -- my guess is that Israel is going to get hit hard very soon. It wouldn't surprise me if the muslims in Russia's UNFIL detachments get the ball rolling, and provide a pretext for the ape to stick his stinky little digits on some buttons (after a tweaks those dancing girls!)

You guys are too much! I can't stop laughing from those witty comments on the last thread!

Lovin it!

Posted by: witness at December 9, 2006 8:02 PM

Carter and Baker are no help to the US or Israel.
Olmert has been nominated for dhimmi of the year - he is useless!

Here is a good article from Joseph Farah of www.worldnetdaily.com. He has had a handle on this for a long time.

Capitulation to terrorism
by
Joseph Farah
________________________________

Posted: December 8, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

The Iraq Study Group report is in - and it holds no
surprises.

What should we expect from a group chaired by James Baker, a
legal pimp for Saudi Arabia and the man who single-handedly
reversed America's pro-freedom policies in the Middle East
during his tenure as secretary of state under the
president's father?

There have been many great words spoken throughout history -
none by Baker.

In fact, the words he is most famous for speaking relate to
questions about his reshaping of Middle East policy in the
early 1990s. It was Baker who called for a more
"even-handed" approach to the region.

By even-handed, he meant the U.S. should stop backing Israel
out of moral imperative and treat the only free state in the
Middle East as a moral equal with the totalitarian,
anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, racist,
terrorist police states that surround it.

When asked how such a policy might go over with Jewish
voters in the U.S., Baker showed off his touted diplomatic
skills with his most famous quote: "They don't vote for us
anyway, so f--- 'em." Only he didn't leave out those three
letters following the "f."

That's really all you need to know about Baker - the Council
on Foreign Relations hack who should be prohibited from
having any influence on American foreign policy because of
his own conflicts of interests involving the fun-loving
Saudis.

The "Baker Commission," as it should rightfully be called,
came up with two major recommendations as far as I can see:

* Engage Iran and Syria in resolving the Iraq
conflict;

* Fast-track the creation of a Palestinian
state by carving up tiny Israel.

Let's talk briefly about these two wacky ideas.

One shouldn't have to point out at this late date that Syria
and Iran represent the principal problem in the region, not
the solution. But, for moral relativists like Baker and
others with less impure motives who just don't understand
the Middle East, I guess it is necessary to restate the
obvious.

The terrorists we fight in Iraq today wouldn't last a week
without the direct support and encouragement of the mullah
government in Iran and the police state of Bashar Assad in
Syria. One of George Bush's biggest mistakes as president
has been to ignore this reality and to play patty-cake with
the terrorist enemy.

Either it's a war or it's not a war. Either the terrorists
are our enemies or they're not. Either we destroy them or
they destroy us. Bush hasn't seen it this way. He really
thought major hostilities would end when the U.S. and its
allies defeated Saddam Hussein's army on the battlefield. He
should have known that was the easy part. And, if he didn't
recognize it in advance, he's had plenty of time to figure
it out since.

Again, this should be obvious, but Iran is developing
nuclear weapons. Its president has publicly called for the
destruction of not just the state of Israel but America,
too. He means what he says. This is the same Ahmadinejad
who was active in the holding of American hostages in the
U.S. Embassy in 1979 and 1980.

Iran is not going to change its stripes. Neither is Syria.
And we are encouraging these terrorist-supporting nations to
keep doing exactly what they are doing when there is even a
suggestion in the U.S. that we "engage" them to settle the
matter in Iraq.

It's so absurd, it's really not even something intelligent,
rationale Americans should discuss, let along consider.

Then there's the matter of Palestine. Here the
recommendations of the Baker Commission are even more
absurd, more preposterous.

The Iraq Study Group suggests Israel should pay the price
for America's failed efforts in Iraq by returning the Golan
Heights to Syria and conceding that millions of refugees,
most of whom have never lived in Israel or "Palestine," have
"the right of return."

Again, for those short on history, Israel captured the Golan
Heights from Syria in 1967 in hard-fought combat. Most of
those who live in the Golan Heights, the Druze, are very
happy under Israeli control. Possession of the Golan Heights
offers Israel some protection from future Syrian artillery
bombardment and armored invasions.

But without any concessions from a Syrian government still
officially at war with Israel, Jerusalem is supposed to turn
over to a terrorist police state this strategic real estate
and the inhabitants who now live freely under Israeli
protection.

Likewise, even while Israel is being attacked daily by
Palestinian terrorists from lands it already turned over to
them, the Jewish state is supposed to welcome millions more
into the Palestinian Authority and presumably Israel as
well.

Let's just say such a decision would make the Holocaust look
like a bar mitzvah party by comparison.

Who do we have to thank for all of this? It's tempting to
blame James Baker. But, to be honest, George W. Bush brought
all this on himself with his misconduct of the war in Iraq
and his own irrational policies on the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict.

Has it occurred to anyone that even linking Iraq with
Palestine makes no sense whatsoever?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a
Palestinian state would persuade Iran to stop developing
nuclear weapons?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a
Palestinian state would persuade Syria to cease its support
of international terrorists?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a
Palestinian state would persuade Iran and Syria to stop
promoting the toppling of the elected government of Iraq?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a
Palestinian state would persuade Hezbollah, supported by
both Iran and Syria, to stop its own insurgency in Lebanon?

It's difficult for me even to ask such ridiculous rhetorical
questions. But I do so to illustrate just how evil is this
document produced by the Baker Commission.

But, again, what should we expect from James Baker? This
lying, deceiving report reflects the evil genius of the man
behind it.

The terrorists in the Middle East understand this report for
what it is - victory for them. Will Americans recognize it
in time?

Posted by: Gramfan at December 9, 2006 8:03 PM

Okay, I'll shut up now. I'm just going to wait and see what BUSH DOES!

Posted by: Sasha

Sasha, I hate to disappoint you. Bush is going to do what Daddy tells him to do. After all it was Daddy who got him the job.

And Baker the anti-semite is Daddy's point man.

BTW.. this is PART 3 of the I, muslim documentary that was shown on Czech TV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1hQBepTJo&mode=related&search=

This is what I'd call BRILLIANT undercover journalism. The MSM should take a few hints from this truly investigative reporting.

If all you see is Part3 then you will have seen the most disturbing part of this documentary. It is truly shocking to see this.. and it hurts me to tears to see minarets in Germany as shown in this video. I simply CANNOT believe what is happening!! WHAT are we doing??!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 8:26 PM

Treatment of Muslims ‘echoes Jews under Nazis’

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 9, 2006 8:34 PM

Sasha:

You said you were going to wait and see what Bush will do. My guess is that he will go along with the Bakker plan.
Who may replace Bolton at the UN:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2006/12/09/boltons_successor
This would be utter stupidity!

Israel needs us to at least back them up if they go after Iran. The question is will our government keep putting pressure on Israel to appease...which we have been doing.

Posted by: Suz at December 9, 2006 8:37 PM

What ever happened to the human shield? The practice of using women and children, as warriors and media fodder, and introducing it as standard jihad practice, to the media and bleeding hearts? Who sheds tears for the civilians and children that are non combatants? Those being shelled and rocketed intentionaly by terrorists? Seems if you are a terrorist, get some women and children next to you, even maybe carrying arms, and if you get killed, oh, the humanity! But if you are a peaceful civilian Jew getting bombarded on purpose and women and children die, It is considered a Muslim triumph, not a hideous colateral damage issue.

Posted by: taowarrior at December 9, 2006 9:33 PM

I fail to see how Israel could make it to Iran without us knowing it.

Our Military would have to be made out to look like the Keystone Cops to get people to swallow the line "we never saw them come and go"???

I don't see Israel Nuking anybody preemptively.

I would say Olmert knows the Arab mind better than most. Diplomatically he can promise the world. Knowing full well Hamas will never recognise Israel. For Hamas to recognize Israel is tantamount to rejecting the very reason it came to power. The desire to kill Jews and destroy Israel. The same is true for Hezbollah.

I find it difficult to see how Israel "lost the war" in Lebanon. Israel pretty much flattened a 20 mile strip of Lebanon, bombed most of the Hezbollah infrastructure. Strategic targets in Lebanon that would allow re-supply for them. Exposing Hezbollah for what it is. Even had the Human rights crowd reluctantly acknowledge Hezbollah war crimes.

Now that Hezbollah declared war on Israel. It will be interesting to see if they ever decide to march in Uniform again in the Lebanon. Your declared enemy in uniform is a legitimate target.

For 30 some days Israel bombed the snot out of Hezbollah with the opposition powerless to do anything tangible to stop them. Other than to claim "disproportional force". What ever that Socialists concept is meant to be.

We even got the french to declare what side their on.

I wouldn't say everything went Israels way in the war. But I wouldn't consider that it lost. Unless you only consider it in light of not having its Soldiers returned. The ones they demanded returned alive. When they probably knew they were already dead.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 9, 2006 9:41 PM

The only battle that Israel lost in this infinite war is the media battle.

Posted by: taowarrior at December 9, 2006 9:45 PM

It's the winners that write the history. It's time for us to write a little history.

Posted by: USBeast

Love hereaing you say that, Beast.
What I would REALLY REALLY love is for an American President to say exactly those words:

It's the winners that write the history. It's time for us to write a little history.

Maybe you should be his speechwriter..

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 9:50 PM

The only backing Israel needs, Is God. You may call Bush's endeavors stupidity, I call it genius. Everyone has take a leftist swing, so go far left, and bring the masses back to the middle. American politics are very complex. Not quite as easy as our enemies try to play them. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: taowarrior at December 9, 2006 9:58 PM

Treatment of Muslims ‘echoes Jews under Nazis’

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks

THEy would SPIN it that way, wouldn't they??!! They truly know NO SHAME!!!! And all that lovely "Scottish" imams claims those nasty Scots are doing to the moslems are precisely the very things that the moslems are doing to the British, us Germans, the French, Belgians, Dutch and sundry other Nations.

HOW DARE THIS PUNK claim anything in relation to treatment of Jews in the Third Reich!!

He and his ilk have plans for Israel which another poster described like this: "If they got their way it would make the Holocaust look like a Bar Mitzvah."

What is the arabic word for chutzpah? They MUST have a word for it. They have more chutzpah than oil.

By the way: The Grannies-for-peace are on Air America and THEY CANNOT SING!! LiEberals without talent are even more dreadful!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 9:58 PM

Shi'ites are the country bumpkins of Iraq and other Muslim nations where they are the minority. They crave respect. They are less worldly and more "true believer". Just look at those poor slobs when they have group cry-ins when the story and murder of Ali is recounted.... That's on Ashura when these idiots also flagellate others and self-flagellate themselves

Iran is making a bid to lead the Muslim world. To show how superior Shiite Islam is as it takes on Israel and the great Satan, the USA. Ahmadinejad's antics are for his Muslim audiences and to one-up the Sunnis as world leaders in Jihad and Israel destruction

Posted by: dennisw at December 9, 2006 9:59 PM

Its time to reconsider assassination as a tool of warfare against the Islamic rulers who threaten us everyday. We go after Bin Laden, we went after Saddam, why not the head of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah

I had that idea when the assahola kakamamie was parading around Paris since "sending him home would subject him to tuorture or being excecuted". I was quite young and I couldn't BELIEVE what this guy was saying right on TV.

When someone say they mean to kill you - BELIEVE HIM.

And.. Merci beaucoup mes chers amis Français. Tres bien fait!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 10:04 PM

A little off topic but a little on topic:
On the Washington Post website.....

Israel Is a Libility for the US

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/daoud_kuttab/2006/12/we_are_still_a_long_way_from_a.html

Read the comments too....some are extremely
anti-Israel. Post your own.

Posted by: Suz at December 9, 2006 10:10 PM

Again, for those short on history, Israel captured the Golan
Heights from Syria in 1967 in hard-fought combat. Most of
those who live in the Golan Heights, the Druze, are very
happy under Israeli control. Possession of the Golan Heights
offers Israel some protection from future Syrian artillery
bombardment and armored invasions.

I've said this before: Germany had to give the Ardennes mountains to Belgium for the strategic use of this densely forested area's use for mounting an attack.

This is a legitimate cession and as such the Golan should no longer be in discussion either. Israel CANNOT afford to give that up and if the Druze who are there prefer to live in Israel.. hey.. call them intelligent!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 10:15 PM

Okay, I'll shut up now. I'm just going to wait and see what BUSH DOES!

Posted by: Sasha at December 9, 2006 05:28 PM

Since Riyadh also wants Iran neutralized, dubya is sure to act on Iran, only for the wrong reasons......

Posted by: Alert at December 9, 2006 10:26 PM

Who do we have to thank for all of this? It's tempting to blame James Baker. But, to be honest, George W. Bush brought all this on himself with his misconduct of the war in Iraq and his own irrational policies on the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict.

Has it occurred to anyone that even linking Iraq with Palestine makes no sense whatsoever?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a Palestinian state would persuade Iran to stop developing nuclear weapons?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a Palestinian state would persuade Syria to cease its support of international terrorists?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a Palestinian state would persuade Iran and Syria to stop promoting the toppling of the elected government of Iraq?

Does anyone truly believe that the establishment of a Palestinian state would persuade Hezbollah, supported by both Iran and Syria, to stop its own insurgency in Lebanon?

It's difficult for me even to ask such ridiculous rhetorical questions. But I do so to illustrate just how evil is this document produced by the Baker Commission.

But, again, what should we expect from James Baker? This lying, deceiving report reflects the evil genius of the man behind it.

The terrorists in the Middle East understand this report for what it is - victory for them. Will Americans recognize it in time? ">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53269>

Posted by: Gramfan at December 9, 2006 08:03 PM

It is interesting what a corner dubya has painted himself (ofcourse, at the cost of American citizens) into. If he acts against Iran, it will be contrary to all he has done so far, including the ISG recommendations, which call for "talks" with Iran and Syria to "save" Iraq. I.e. acting on Iran will worsen the Iraq situation as dubya does not have the stomach for a war, unless for the wrong reasons. If he does not act against Iran, Iraq will worsen anyway but Riyadh will be pleased for sparing "muslim brothers" Iran & Syria... although Sunny wahabbis would like the Shia Iranians to be wiped out but not by "infedel Americans"... oh what an interesting dilemma.

Posted by: Alert at December 9, 2006 10:49 PM

" For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring back the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat; and I will execute judgment upon them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations: and they have parted my land"
Joel 3:1-2

The "all" to be judged includes the US for we have surely been a strong encourager in pressuring Israel to give up more and more land, not to mention the origianl UN plan back in '48 "parted" the land. Mr.Bush and his adminstration should tremble as the continue their "road map" to "peace". But as was demonstrated in the Torah G-D often used Israel's enemies to be bring judment against them when they strayed from Him and obeyed, perhaps G-D will do the same with the US and let us be brought under judgment by our enemies who are poltting our destruction on all sides. Just some food for thought from a different perspective.

Posted by: CaptainGrevious at December 9, 2006 11:02 PM

Olmert is either a fool or a genius with some cards up his sleeve. He would have to be deaf, dumb, blind and stupid to NOT know what Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, Syria and others, are up to.
Israel should not relinquish any land whatsoever to these cretins. To do so only makes them want more...They already want it all, and they want the Jews out or dead. Once you give them an inch, they will take a mile or two. For all their austere non-materialism, muslims are the most grossly materialistic people on Earth.

Posted by: duh_swami at December 9, 2006 11:35 PM

Its time to reconsider assassination as a tool of warfare against the Islamic rulers who threaten us everyday. We go after Bin Laden, we went after Saddam, why not the head of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah

When someone say they mean to kill you - BELIEVE HIM.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 9, 2006 10:04 PM
---------------------

assisnation by B1 Bomber..........

Posted by: Texican at December 10, 2006 12:29 AM

THE SHUTTLE Discovery has now succesfully launched and i am free to report that the Jewish DISCOVERY shuttlecraft
commander Polansky of the shuttle craft has a secret zionist objective to deploy the
zenon muslim defenestration raygun allay..
..

Posted by: Madduck at December 10, 2006 12:55 AM

assisnation by B1 Bomber..........

Posted by: Texican

Two more years.. two more years... two more years...

We need a REAL PRESIDENT!!! One who can write his OWN speeches!!!

Maybe Spencer for Pres and Hugh as Secretary of State. And Texican as Secretary of Defense :-)

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 12:56 AM

gordo said

Its time to reconsider assassination as a tool of warfare against the Islamic rulers who threaten us everyday.

I disagree with this, but bear with me. It's not out of compassion for the jihadists.

Israel already started this "targeted assassination" policy, and while it offers the occasional satisfaction of seeing a terrorist meet his 72 "virgins", it is quickly followed by the replacement by the next terrorist. They've got plenty more waiting in line. Just picking off a guy here or there does not make much dent in the jihad, IMHO. In my mind, warfare is either full blast, no holds barred, or don't bother. This kind of war-"light" we've been waging has all the flavor of non-alcoholic-beer. Trying to be the Iraqis' friends even as they are trying to kill us just isn't a good policy, again IMHO.

Until we're ready (and by "we" I mean the US, Canada, Israel, UK, Australia, and other infidel nations), psychologically and sociologically, to take on the true enemy, or at least name the true enemy, we shouldn't be involving ourselves in these half-hearted wars.

When it is common discourse for the public to talk about the religious motivation that energizes the jihadists around the world, when we don't brand as "racist" any discussion about Islamic violence, when Robert and/or Hugh are acting as advisers to the President on Islamic affairs, THEN I think it will be time to consider military options.

Pugilists know that to deliver a knock-out blow, you first have to firmly plant your foot so that you get leverage behind the punch. Right now we are off balance and flailing wildly, with no power to our punch. Our heart is not in the fight, and it is dangerous to climb into the ring in that condition, no matter how big our muscles are.

Posted by: special_guest at December 10, 2006 1:16 AM

Treatment of Muslims ‘echoes Jews under Nazis’
Ummah News Links
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 9, 2006 08:34 PM

Doen`t this cretin know about the Kriss Donald
murder? >>>>>

http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/pcplod1.html

What an ignorant imbecile !

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 10, 2006 2:21 AM

Olmert doesnt seem to have them and our Pres. has his in the vice of public opinion and lefty p.c.-sooooooooo- I think BeBe Netanyahooo has the BEBE,S to go ahead and drop one on monkey boy.

HOWEVER, if he did, that would fit in with the Bibles account of the end times where EVERY NATION comes against Israel.

O.K, Now, is every body ready to pray for the peace of Jerusalem as the Bible directs us to?

Posted by: guide inside at December 10, 2006 3:56 AM

TODAY!!!

Iran encourages Hamas officillay to continue the battle against Israel and that it will be supported with anything they need to fight Israel because America, their strongest ally, is weakened already.

I think we are closer to an escalation then ever before.

Posted by: Arnie at December 10, 2006 7:39 AM

The ONE thing that will save the day for us is these moslam Arabs' loud mouths and their general incompetence. All they can think of it KILL THE INFIDELS. They live breathe and eat that.

Our Fifth column becomes weaker with each and every moslem atrocity.

I would love to send the "grannies for peace" to Iran where they can sing in Central square while they are strung up from a lamp post somewhere.

LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT - US CITIZEN OR NOT!!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:31 PM

Pugilists know that to deliver a knock-out blow, you first have to firmly plant your foot so that you get leverage behind the punch. Right now we are off balance and flailing wildly, with no power to our punch. Our heart is not in the fight, and it is dangerous to climb into the ring in that condition, no matter how big our muscles are.

Posted by: special_guest

Well.. we Do have troops encircling these beasts. I am surprised at the brinkmanship coming out of Iran.

It might be a good idea to RE-DEPLOY to Iran! See how battle-hardened these "revolutionary guards" really are.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:34 PM

Doen`t this cretin know about the Kriss Donald
murder? >>>>>

http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/siteinfo/newsround/pcplod1.html

What an ignorant imbecile !

Posted by: aladdinsane57

He KNOWS!! It's called Taqiyya. Remeber he's a moslem. NOTHING a moslem ever says whould be taken at face value.

I do tend to believe them when they say they want to kill us and take over our lands. That's as far as it goes.

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:37 PM

germaninamerica said

Well.. we Do have troops encircling these beasts.

By "no power to our punch" I do not mean that we need to deploy more troops, especially in a "nation-building" mode. I do not mean that our already-deployed troops are not fully capable of dispatching any enemy combatants. Our military strength is not the problem.

When I talked about planting our foot before delivering the blow, I'm talking about our civilian government acknowledging who the real enemy is, as opposed to "Asian individuals". I'm talking about getting our whole society educated about what motivates the jihadists. In previous wars, everyone knew who we were fighting, and why. That is not currently the case.

Posted by: special_guest at December 10, 2006 3:18 PM

Iran's nuclear ambitions have the Sunni world adither as well choose the articles to read her as regards Gulf considers shared nuclear program
The Age, Australia;"The (leaders) commissioned a study by members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) to ... plan by the GCC, which is comprised of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait ...;Gulf Arabs announce nuclear energy ambitions;Arab states study shared nuclear program

Hint the Sunni Shia divide, and incidentally the Saudis are adamantly anti Hizbollah, they know that the Shi'a are not their friends and vice versa.

Maybe, these Arabs are hoping that Israel and the U.S. will do their dirty work for them, like we did when we invaded Iraq, and take out the Persian Shi'a.

Posted by: Nariz at December 10, 2006 4:23 PM

Israel had better get moving then, nariz, before your Leftist leadership throws them to the wolves in the near future.

Posted by: Gary at December 10, 2006 4:26 PM

Close all mosques in the west....you know it makes sense?

Posted by: fuzzflyer1 at December 10, 2006 4:42 PM

We get the Saudis to pay for the reduction of Iran and their clients.

When that group is gone. Where are The Saudis going after that. Who would be left in the Neighborhood to come to their aid if we decide to play hard ball with them? Nobody.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at December 10, 2006 5:33 PM

Until we're ready (and by "we" I mean the US, Canada, Israel, UK, Australia, and other infidel nations), psychologically and sociologically, to take on the true enemy, or at least name the true enemy, we shouldn't be involving ourselves in these half-hearted wars.

Posted by: special_guest at December 10, 2006 01:16 AM

Makes perfect sense given the chaos in the name of 'war' in Iraq, return of Taleban in Afgnanistan and Hamas in Palestine. Half-hearted, confused and apprehensive measures are not a smart war strategy. One is better off holding off such hostility, even if to regain clarity. An important point.

Posted by: Alert at December 10, 2006 7:55 PM

By "no power to our punch" I do not mean that we need to deploy more troops, especially in a "nation-building" mode. I do not mean that our already-deployed troops are not fully capable of dispatching any enemy combatants. Our military strength is not the problem.

I know exactly what you meant to say. I am sorry I didn't make that clear enough. We're both on exactly the same page. We have 99% strength but only 1% resolve. Contrast that with the enemy.

Just such a DAMN shame to have all those resources ready to deploy and NOONE has an inch of gut to say the word.

How about it, commander-girl-in-chief Georgie-Porgie? Daddy been crying too much on TV lately? He's almost ready for Ophrah..

Folks I say it oncew again. We are on OUR OWN.

2008!!!

Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 9:17 PM

Excellent comments by everyone. Lots to contemplate...

Posted by: Sasha at December 10, 2006 10:16 PM