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Don Feder is right. Here is the speech he gave to the Americans for A Safe Israel National Conference (“America And Israel – The Present Danger”) held in New York City on December 3, 2006 – and reprinted at FrontPage (news links in the original):
You have a problem. It’s a problem shared by Jews in Hebron, Serbs in Kosovo, Hindus in the Kashmir, Catholics in Lebanon, and Americans walking the streets of New York.Consider the inter-connectedness of the following incidents, all of which took place in the past few months:
* In Indonesia, three Christian schoolgirls were beheaded.
* In Iraq, a Syrian Orthodox priest was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered.
* In Somalia, a nun was shot to death as she left the hospital where she worked, tending the sick and dying.
* In Lebanon, just days ago, a cabinet minister was assassinated.
* In Britain, authorities uncovered a conspiracy in which native-born Brits plotted to blow up several trans-Atlantic flights, killing as many as 3,000.
* In Afghanistan, suicide bombers are at work again.
* In Iraq, they never stopped. Additionally, the week before last, a group of worshippers were abducted from a mosque, doused with gasoline and burned to death in what’s described as “sectarian violence.”
* In France, a high school philosophy teacher is in hiding after very credible death threats following publication of a September 19th commentary in Le Figaro.
* Some 139 people died in riots in Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan, and Afghanistan – following the publication of Danish cartoons.
* Europe is experiencing the worst wave of anti-Semitic violence since Kristallnacht. The former director of the U.S. Holocaust Museum reports there an average of 12 assaults a day on Jews in Paris.
* In Kosovo, 90 percent of Serbs gave been ethnically cleansed from the province since 1999. The rest live in a state of siege.
* In Mumbai, India, a series of blasts killed almost 200.
* In Gaza, terrorists recently celebrated the latest “ceasefire” by raining more rockets on southern Israel.
* And the leader of more than a billion Catholics received death threats and demands that he convert after giving a speech in which he called for a balance of faith and reason, and quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor.What do the foregoing have in common?
To quote columnist Mark Steyn, in his excellent book America Alone: The End of The World As We Know It, it begins with an “I” and ends with a “slam.”I am not saying that all Muslims are terrorists. I am saying that almost all terrorists are Muslims – the mother of all no-brainers – and that Islam is a faith that is, shall we say, terrorism-friendly. I challenge you to name another faith in which your entry into Heaven is assured by killing those of another faith in a holy war.
I am not saying that Muslims are inherently bad people. Most Muslims are like most people everywhere. I am saying that there are elements in Islam that incline adherents to commit the crimes detailed a moment ago.
I am saying – and let me be clear about this – that a faith embraced by as many as 1.3 billion people worldwide contains within it the seeds of the evil we see all around us – seeds which require only the right conditions to germinate. It all goes back to the Koran.
Ladies and gentlemen, we are in the midst of a world war, one every bit as deadly as the Cold War, and with a potential for devastation to rival World War II. Actually, the Cold War is a bad analogy. For perhaps the 20 years before the fall of the Berlin Wall, almost no one was willing to die for Communism. Today, ten of millions – perhaps hundreds of millions – around the world would gladly die, and kill, for Dar Islam.
But we make a fatal mistake if we think of Islam only in terms of suicide bombings, sniper attacks, death threats, forced conversions, female genital mutilation, honor killings, jihad-this and fatwah-that.
Every bit as important is what’s going on in maternity wards from Brussels to Bombay.Of the 10 nations with the lowest birthrates, nine are in post-Christian Europe. And the ten countries with the highest fertility rates? That’s right – starts with an “I” and ends in a “slam.”
Fertility rates in the Muslim world look like this: Niger (7.46 children per woman), Mali (7.42), Somalia (6.76), Afghanistan (6.69), and Yemen (6.58). The Palestinian woman in Gaza who – at age 64 – just became the world’s oldest suicide bomber was the mother of nine and (at last count) the grandmother of 41.
Between 1970 and 2000, while the share of the world’s population represented by the industrialized nations declined from just under 30 percent to just over 20 percent, the share accounted for by the wonderful world of jihad rose from 15 percent to 20 percent.
Compared to the rest of the industrialized world, the United States is experiencing a veritable population explosion – with a birth rate of 2.11, just about replacement level. From there, it’s demographic winter as far as the eye can see: Canada (1.5), Germany (1.3), Russia and Italy (1.2) and not-so-sunny Spain (1.1). The latter three nations could cease to exist, as they are currently constituted, within the next 50 years.
According to a November 21st Washington Times story, by 2015, more than half the soldiers in the Russian Army will be Muslims. And you thought the Czar was bad! By 2020, over 20 percent of Russia’s population will be reading the Koran, religiously.
Within the lifetimes of some in this room, the UK, France Belgium, and the Netherlands could go Islamic green. For the present, Muslims comprise 10 percent of the French population. But of “Frenchmen” under 20, fully 30 percent share the faith of Osama bin Laden, Baby Assad, and Iran’s nut-cake leader.
You can talk all you want about population control being the happy result of higher standards of living, careers for women, sex education, contraception and access to abortion. In fact, it’s becoming the assisted suicide of the West. What it really comes boils to is this: Confident societies have babies. People with a sense of mission have children. Nations with a sense of destiny and faith in the future fill maternity wards, and nurseries and cradles.
Those that believe in God as a vague, philosophical concept (if He exists at all), don’t. Instead of the future, they put their trust in 401(k) plans, elaborate state welfare systems, and gated retirement communities.
There are still enough of those of us who care enough to act. But the hour grows proverbially late.
Everyone is so focused on their own thing that they miss the larger picture. Zionists rightly worry about Palestinian terrorism and fate of Israel should Judea, Samaria, and Gaza become Hamas-istan.
Serbs decry the destruction of ancient churches, monasteries, and shrines in Kosovo – not to mention the ethnic cleansing that followed NATO’s victory over Slobodan Milosevic – and worry about the province being permanently detached from Serbia.
Hindus anguish over the ongoing violence in Kashmir, supported by Pakistan, which has claimed more than 50,000 lives in the past 20 years, as well as terrorist acts in the rest of India.
Groups like Voice of the Martyrs meticulously document Christian persecution in the Muslim world. Lebanese Christians lament the demise of the last Christian country in the Middle East and Hezbollah creating a state-within-a-state. Coptic Christians complain about the treatment of their co-religionists in Egypt. And the beat goes on. But these are all part of a seamless chador. What happens in Kosovo affects the Kashmir. As Judea and Samaria go, ultimately, so go Lebanon and London.
In retrospect, it’s easy to see that a number of events in the 1930s were steps leading to the Second World War: Hitler’s rise to power, the remilitarization of the Rhineland, the Italian invasion of Ethiopia, German and Italian intervention in the Spanish Civil War, the Japanese conquest of Manchuria, and so on. It’s always easier to see the interconnectedness of events and the significance of trends in retrospect – well after the fact. But at least after Pearl Harbor, most Americans understood that they were at war. It’s been five years since this generation’s Pearl Harbor, and most of us still don’t have a clue.
When word of Pearl Harbor reached London, Winston Churchill called Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The conversation ended with the British prime minister telling the American president: “Well, we are all in this together now.” As indeed they were; as they probably had been since the early 1930s, though almost no one was aware of it at the time.
Well, my friends, we truly are all in this together – Jews and Catholics, Lebanese Christians and Hindus, Orthodox Serbs, and Indonesian Christians. Until we begin to understand that, we have no hope of countering the global jihad. When Zionists start caring about the fate of Serbs in Kosovo, when Hindus support Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (designated the West Bank), when Serbs stand up for Indian Kashmir, then we will begin making progress.
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* In Iraq, they never stopped. Additionally, the week before last, a group of worshippers were abducted from a mosque, doused with gasoline and burned to death in what’s described as “sectarian violence.”
This actually didn't happen. AP made it up.
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at December 10, 2006 12:59 AM
Good article but I hope he isn't implying that the only way to counter the Islamic jihad is for all the non-reproducing countries to simply start making more babies. A mere hundred years ago all those countries he cites had much lower populations and they still survived. I'm not grasping the logic of those who argue that western countries with declining population have no choice but to take in large number of immigrants to survive. And especially Muslim immigrants who largely live on the dole anyway and contribute little to their host societies (at least in Europe). Where is the logic there? The solution to the demographic disparity seems pretty simple - don't let Muslims immigrate into the west. If they want to have 7 kids per family, fine, that's their choice. But for God's sake - let them live with the consequences in their own native lands. Why on earth does this have to become our problem?
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 1:14 AM
WEll, he named the enemy in as nice a way as possible, more than most will do. I can't believe his islamophobic comments weren't on the front page of every major newspaper in America the next day for daring to suggest that the Qur'an incites violence.
Speeches like this do offer a little encouragement and hope. For some unfathomable reason, Jews seem to be some of the toughest nuts to crack when it comes to "getting it" about islam. Many Jews still consider Christianity their greatest enemy. I guess Christians were persecuting Jews long before islam reared its ugly head. Still, I don't know how Jews could think that in today's world, muslims are less of a threat to them than Christians.
Posted by: Susanp at December 10, 2006 1:27 AM
When Zionists start caring about the fate of Serbs in Kosovo, when Hindus support Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (designated the West Bank), when Serbs stand up for Indian Kashmir, then we will begin making progress.
I have expressed my caring about all of these folks who are under attack by islam. We are indeed ONE and the SAME.. all of us are marked for death by the BORG and we MUST stand together!!
Caroline, you are very right on the demographisc issue.. I often wonder about that myself. Less people means cleaner environment :-)
And less congestion on the roads. Why should the WEST be responsable for the overbreeding of rats in the middle east. As long as we have enough troops to man our borders.. and I mean when the enemy comes SHOOT TO KILL.
THEY need to reform THEIR countries if they want to live well. NOT come to us and take OUR hard-earned TAX money!!!
There is absolutely NO logic in this!!!
I think the multi-culturalists have made this their best argument - since they can't give us any other reason why we need to have the ENEMY come to our lands!!!!
This land is my land this land is your land - this land is NOT their land!!!
moslems OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:27 AM
cerdos musulmanes..
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:28 AM
I'm concerned about the Rise in Anti Semetism . Israel always takes the Brunt of the Blame for that Conflict. they Palestinians Promise that the " REAL holocaust is coming " if you compare the retoric of the Israelis and then the Palestinians , it's no contest . But the Turnspeak and unprecedented Media Manipulation that the Palpestinians use ( Which makes the Nazis look like Rooikes ), will turn the Victim and Defender and the REAL mid east Democracy into the Aggressor and Villain. History is reapeating itself. this is 1938 and the Jews are being set up , again.
Are we going to fall for it?
Posted by: DUGGY at December 10, 2006 1:30 AM
(Not to mention the fact that how many westerners would want to have children if they could see the writing on the wall and what their children would face in a Muslim-dominated west? If westerners were assured in the first place that their native lands would remain in the hands of their children, they might actually have more incentive to reproduce.)
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 1:30 AM
is quite true we are all in this together I know Muslims that would not hurt a fly and are appalled by the violence caused by minority of jihadist but unfortunately in some countries is are a majority and the mainland Islam is based onwabbisim in Saudi Arabia is very narrow minded and considers anyone that does not follow their narrowminded believes could not be truly Muslim and with their oil money is exporting their believes in the West after seeing some of the textbooks they publish online I would not be surprised if Canada customs saw them they they would be banned for hate speech in Canada is too bad USA can do that but until people realize we are at war with the force of Islam as really is a tiny minority that is causing this and Islam is this was my tiny minority and quits demanding special privileges in the West because their Muslim i it is going to be very hard to see things change, ironically if Christians or Jews or Hindu asked the same treatment there would be public outcry's of discrimination and racism and bigotry so the thing we need to do is treat everyone equally and forget this PC crap or we will lose this war and the jihadist will win and will see sharia law become the law of the land and that we a tragedy just think how many scientific discoveries like radium and x-rays would have been lost but for women like ms currie
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 10, 2006 1:34 AM
germaninamerica: "I think the multi-culturalists have made this their best argument - since they can't give us any other reason why we need to have the ENEMY come to our lands!!!!"
german - it's certainly a good question - where this notion comes from. You may be right that its a myth perpetrated by multiculturalists. Has anyone seen actual economic models supporting the notion that western countries need massive immigration to survive?
susanp: "I can't believe his islamophobic comments weren't on the front page of every major newspaper in America the next day for daring to suggest that the Qur'an incites violence."
I really like his euphemism that Islam is "terrorism-friendly". Nice way to put it...
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 1:39 AM
This actually didn't happen. AP made it up.
AP made up a lot of reports and the Hotel News Media printed it but that doesn't alter the point of the this article even a little. The propaganda war is just one more item that should be listed as a bullet point.
As for the math on birth rates. We are not going to make that one go away.
US conservative Islam population figures are 5 million. Sticking to rough rounding assuming they drop (how crude) 50% women gets the US a slam dunk Muslim vote in 3 generations tops and in the 4th generation we are under Sharia Law.
One of you genius types check the math.
I don't think the Mexicans will be able to take up the slack.......
Off topic: Somebody comment on this one. Is 84% of the US workforce either working directly for the government or in a job that is doing work that is mandated by the federal government? Fact or fiction?
Posted by: betterpayattention
at December 10, 2006 1:57 AM
I forgot to add, the Muslim vote is already swinging elections in the US according to one report I heard. 47,000 muslim votes in Virgina elected their senator Webb.
Posted by: betterpayattention at December 10, 2006 2:00 AM
Muhammad had a thing about mum and bacon !
Translated>>>>>
1. ah mad mum.....oh,my mum`s mad
2. ah dam mum.....ah,mum caught me "playing again"
3. ah mum mad.....ditto number 1
4. am dah mum.....i wear my mum`s clothes!
5. am mum had.....my mum had me!
6. had ma mum.....ditto number 5
7. madam hum......my mum`s smelly!
8. mum da ham.....mum,is the ham ready yet?
9. um mad ham.....mmmm,this ham`s wicked !
10 um ham mad.....i`m mad about ham !
at December 10, 2006 2:07 AM
On the voting thing. When an imam endorses a candidate, the entire Muslim population votes for the candidate. Should not that fact take away their tax exempt status?
Posted by: betterpayattention at December 10, 2006 2:13 AM
Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh has GONE NUTS!
THE PRIME MINISTERS SUGGESTS IN A SPEECH THAT MINORITIES, ESPECIALLY MUSLIMS, MUST HAVE THE FIRST CLAIM ON RESORUCES!!
This is dhimmitude at its worst!
CNN-IBN reports:
New Delhi: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh courted controversy in his address at the National Development Council on Saturday by saying that Muslims should have the first claim on the country's resources.
There's a split down the middle over the Sachar panel's report. Muslims are in such a miserable state that the Prime Minister wants top priority for minority development schemes. At the National Development Council meeting attended by most chief ministers, Manmohan Singh was emphatic.
“We will have to devise innovative plans to ensure that minorities, particularly the Muslim minority, are empowered to share equitably in the fruits of development. They must have the first claim on resources,” Singh said.
The BJP is insisting that some of the Sachar panel's recommendations are divisive. The party is opposed to quotas and benefits on religious grounds.
Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chauhan said, “Poor is poor. Hunger and sickness don't discriminate by caste or creed.”
While Chattisgarh Chief Minister Raman Singh said, “The most deprived in society should benefit. It isn't advisable that people benefit based on their community.”
“Saying only Muslims have the right is dangerous for the unity of India. The country expects better from its Prime Minister,” Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi said.
The Government has already drawn up a plan to spend Rs 1800 crore on minority development in the eleventh five-year plan. But the BJP is not convinced. They are lashing out at what they insist is politics of appeasement.
What should have been a number-crunching exercise on the road map to development sounded like a debate on minority appeasement.
And while the PM managed to get his approach right where Muslims are concerned, what he didn't remember is that his road map is not viable as far as the constitution is concerned.
Posted by: Atlantean at December 10, 2006 2:30 AM
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 01:14 AM
And especially Muslim immigrants who largely live on the dole anyway and contribute little to their host societies (at least in Europe). Where is the logic there? The solution to the demographic disparity seems pretty simple - don't let Muslims immigrate into the west. If they want to have 7 kids per family, fine, that's their choice. But for God's sake - let them live with the consequences in their own native lands.
Why can`t America and Europe allow as many immigrants from christian South American countries ?
Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 10, 2006 2:36 AM
I recently heard a sermon that reflected the thoughts of this article. The sermon was by a Lebonese Christian Pastor who now pastors in Israel. He said that Arab Christians could help the 'problems' there by simply caring for the Israelis, instead of trying to side with the moslems. He talked a lot about forgiveness. He has noticed that holding grudges for hundreds of years is not wise. May forgiveness spread!
Posted by: ljm at December 10, 2006 2:47 AM
When Zionists start caring about the fate of Serbs in Kosovo, when Hindus support Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (designated the West Bank), when Serbs stand up for Indian Kashmir, then we will begin making progress.Absolutely. That way, everybody gets to see the 'seamless chador' as a whole, as Feder so eloquently puts it.
On the population issue, if Muslims in bilad ul Kafir are not going to be deported, then Western Infidels have two choices - either breed like rabbits, or watch their countries slowly Islamize. We posters here may recognize it, but you think that Bush, Pelosi, Reid, McCain and others, if they are okay with illegal Mexican immigration, are going to block immigration from Islamic countries on the grounds of religion?
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 10, 2006 2:50 AM
Carolyn and GIA:
The reason why Europe allows the immigration is because their workforce is diminishing.
It's a pyramid scheme. Europe has massive spending on social services, for which they need to tax the hell out of workers to support it. When Euros aren't having any babies, there's no workforce to tax. Who is going to pay for all the health care and pensions for the older Euros? So they bring in immigrants to compensate for that deficit.
Euros SHOULD have babies. If Spain's "indigenous" population is halving every generation, and it is with a 1.1 fertility rate, who's going to inherit Spain? The ones who have babies will.
Read "America Alone" by Steyn, and you'll see. He can explain it better than I can.
Posted by: atheling at December 10, 2006 2:58 AM
Don Feder forgot Thailand (and Buddhists).
betterpayattention asks off-topic question, "Is 84% of the US workforce either working directly for the government or in a job that is doing work that is mandated by the federal government? Fact or fiction?"
Off-topic answer: Fiction. There was a time a few years ago when 84% of new jobs were government related, but that was just because the economy wasn't doing very well at the time. About 16.2% of the non-farm payroll is government (federal, state and local):
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb3.txt
Posted by: tvdog at December 10, 2006 3:03 AM
Islamisation of Europe is taking place at such a grand scale and with such speed that Europe as we know and love will be lost in a generation.
France is completely a gone case - its hatered for anything American, its mistrust of the Anglo-American alliance and its virulent anti-semetic bourgeoisie lends herself very nicely into the hands of muslims.
Britain is swimming in the sea of culti-culturelism (where no other religion except islam gets a look-in)and the policians and the police are actually scared of muslims.
British Islamic institutions have got a new friend in their propoganda. Al-jazeera has started broadcasting its 24 hours "news" channel in the UK. So anti US/Briatin /Israeli hate feast can go full throttle. Even most of its journos are ex-bbc, so not much training required to go all dhimmi.
Rest of the Europeans are just so boring and un-interested in the world that they are blind as to what is going on in their own countries much less notice the islamic explosion in their own backyard.
As far India is concered, the darling of the West, the Congress party can only get elected with the help of muslim vote. Indians have had enough of muslims and an all out civil war cannot be ruled out if India looses Kashmir.
All in all, islam is sitting pretty and doing quite well, thank you very much.
Posted by: Hermit at December 10, 2006 3:15 AM
(Not to mention the fact that how many westerners would want to have children if they could see the writing on the wall and what their children would face in a Muslim-dominated west? If westerners were assured in the first place that their native lands would remain in the hands of their children, they might actually have more incentive to reproduce.)
Posted by: Caroline
Absolutely correct. You hit the nail on the head with that one. I for one will not have any children as long as I continue to live in Europe. I would rather see myself die childless than bring children into this world to grow up as Dhimmis suffering at the hands of a Muslim majority.
Posted by: GreekFrenchInfidel at December 10, 2006 4:08 AM
Yeah I don't normally go off topic. BUT...
WHO the hell is "betterpayattention"? Sheesh can't you think of something original?
Posted by: payingattention at December 10, 2006 4:34 AM
But for God's sake - let them live with the consequences in their own native lands. Why on earth does this have to become our problem?
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 01:14 AM
By the same token, how is Islamic terror our problem? Islamic terror is Islamic problem and Islam and it's followers should he beld responsible for Islamic barbarism.
Posted by: Alert at December 10, 2006 4:34 AM
don't forget to impose chinese birthcontrol to them and everything will be fine.
Besides
On Monday, December 11, 2006 the Simon Wiesenthal Center will convene “Witness To The Truth,” a videoconference of 70 survivors of the Nazi Holocaust in Los Angeles, New York and the Toronto headquarters of Canadian Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center who will present their personal testimonies to debunk the Iranian regime’s conference entitled, “The Holocaust: A World Prospect,” taking place on December 11-12. The conference organizers have indicated that 70 Holocaust revisionists from 30 countries will participate. The Tehran conference, sponsored by the Iranian government, comes after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the Nazi Holocaust ‘a myth.’m ....
Posted by: Arnie at December 10, 2006 4:55 AM
For those of you who enjoy a troll....
A troll on Dhimmi Watch on this thread:
Turkey: Authorities "Harass" Orthodox Patriarchate Staff
A sample of his wisdom:
JUST goes to prove that Andalusian Spain, Ottoman Turkey, Muslim Jerusalem, Mughal India and other Islamic civilizations were PERFECTLY capable of integrating religious minorities. Now compare that with the manufactured events of 9/11 and mass anti-muslim hysteria being generated in the Zionist media, where innocent Muslims are being targetted for no greater crime than being Muslim. Unlike the Jews though, Muslims fight back...hard...enjoy!
Posted by: Suz at December 10, 2006 5:22 AM
Assalamau Laikum AIG, GIA...all
You know all this squirming, squealing and screaming is probably what has happened before in countless places. The Hindoos, Egyptians, Lebanese, Indonesians, Byzantines....all would have said the same thing. "We must stand together as one...and oppose....but oppose how"?
...you are tugging at my emotions...this collective AHHH!....well it always makes my heart bleed ya know...a real tear jerker.
The Byzantines in desperation ofcourse came to the european christians for help...and was refused....now you too are learning that denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Throughout history, other peoples/nations went to other kingdoms to solicit help....but this time GIA, AIG..there is a hugh difference.
This time there will be NO ONE else to ask help from....for each one of you is in the same boat....the boat may not be so advanced in the Amerike for example....but it's only a generation behind the others.
I can just imagine....Global Islam in 50 years..and you know the most amazing thing.... it will be done in the full glare of the media...yes you will ALL know it...your knowledge of Islam will be full...and you will ALL become Islamic societies.
I just hope that (possibly through the aid of advanced Kafur medicine) I am alive to so see the miracle of the Koran taking pride of place in your homes as it does in mine...remember...only top and cleanest shelf will do.
In desperation you will build smaller cites within cities and start to huddle together ....invisible walls will come up....and this may work for a while....but the walls will come tumbling down, more space will be required for muslims to spread....and your town ...Kafur city will have to provide... (muslim) government integration policies will dictate this....after all the majority must decide.
For now I advise you to teach your childrens. Lesson 1) ditch the "welcome" and practise to say "Assalamau Laikum" and "Y Laikum salaam" in return.
Womens, enjoy your open hair policy while you can....inshallah... your great granddaughters WILL cover up...., your sons will have long flowing ginger and blond beards....
you all have a nice day now!
at December 10, 2006 5:46 AM
good article but what do they base the claim that in 8 years 50% of the russian army will be muslim. Is this based on current rate of conversion? I highly doubt this.
Posted by: pissedoffcanadian at December 10, 2006 5:48 AM
Dream on Naseem.....
You highly underestimate us.
Don't you know evil never defeats good.
Just because a battle here or there is lost...the war isn't. Islam shall never rule the world. But you keep living in your delusional fantasy that it will.
Oh and Merry Christmas.
at December 10, 2006 5:52 AM
More muslim morality >>>>>
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 10, 2006 6:35 AM
* Al-jazeera has started broadcasting its 24 hours "news" channel in the UK. So anti US/Briatin /Israeli hate feast can go full throttle. *
I watch this now and again and the bits iv seen were suprisingly balanced compared to the pro jihad bbc.
Westerners call it a tool of jihad but all the jihadists call it a tool of the west, seriously they cant win.
Posted by: BlowHammed at December 10, 2006 6:37 AM
"History is reapeating itself. this is 1938 and the Jews are being set up , again.
Are we going to fall for it?
Posted by: DUGGY "
This is true.Horror of horrors! I just watched a show on History Channel about the Abramaic faiths. I was almost sick watching a jewish guy who coverted to islam. By the end the interviewer was almost sick to the stomach. It was almost like watching some of the Jihadwatch threads "live".ICK!!
HOWEVER,
I just got this email from Naomi Ragen.
Kevin Coster, champion of Native Americans, (that is what I will always remember him for)has made a documentary. I will copy and paste it:
EVER AGAIN is a newly released documentary about the rise of
the new anti-Semitism, narrated by Kevin Costner.
This review is from the San Francisco Chronicle, Friday,
December 8, 2006, page E8.
'Ever Again' Documentary. Narrated by Kevin Costner.
Directed by Richard Trank. (Not rated. 73 minutes. At the
Opera Plaza.)
Sixty-one years after Adolf Hitler blew his brains
out, anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe and the Middle
East, according to "Ever Again," a persuasive and disturbing
new documentary. The picture describes the growing incidence
of hate crimes against Jews while uncovering the
institutional structures propagating that hate, from radical
Islam to the neo-Nazi movement.
By far the most dangerous of recent trends is the
growing pervasiveness of Muslim fundamentalism, which both
inculcates fanaticism and terrorizes moderates into silence.
Operating out of mosques in major European cities such as
Paris, London and Antwerp, Belgium, radical clerics educate
teenage boys with a steady onslaught of misinformation and
hatred toward the West. In Belgium, a religious leader calls
the 9/11 attacks "an act of poetry, an abstraction." Osama
Bin Laden is praised as a hero. At an annual conference in
England, held every Sept. 11, the 9/11 suicide bombers are
called "the Magnificent 19."
This is exacerbated by the Muslim cable stations,
beamed across Europe and streaming online, which feature
interviews with angelic-looking children anticipating the
glories of "martyrdom" and commentary by fantasists saying
that the Holocaust was the result of a conspiracy between
"Hitler and the rich Jews" (for the purpose of killing "poor
Jews").
On the reasonable side of the ledger, a British
government official points out that "there's no doubt about
the connection between the hate preached (in the mosques)
and manifestations of hate actions." The connection between
hate speech and hate action is what prompts Tony Blair, in
the aftermath of the London Underground bombing, to announce
that the government would be deporting non-citizens who
"meddle in extremism." The movie shows how the extreme
language of anti-Semitism is back. While the Nazis referred
to Jews as disease-spreading vermin, the new anti-Semites
compare Jews to the AIDS virus.
"Ever Again" also documents the resurgence of the
Nazi skinhead movement, particularly in Germany, though in
comparison to Islamic fundamentalism, the skinheads seem
quaint.
Featuring interviews with European politicians, an
American rabbi and the American lawyer Alan Dershowitz, the
movie sometimes crosses the line in equating criticism of
Israel with anti-Semitism. However, it does show how one can
come disguised as the other, and succeeds in making the case
that the hatred that seemed dead and buried 60 years ago is
alive and growing and beginning to present itself once again
as a threat to humane civilization.
Advisory: This film depicts some archival footage of
violence.
-- Mick LaSalle
Posted by: Gramfan at December 10, 2006 6:46 AM
Saudi Government-Appointed Executioner for Mecca, Abdallah Al-Bishi, Discusses His Calling and Demonstrates His Weapons and Methods
Received from Brigitte Gabriel
there's a link to join her
http://civoc.com/society/?p=17
Posted by: Arnie at December 10, 2006 6:48 AM
Just wanted to add what Winston Churchill once said:
"NEVER GIVE UP!"
I agree with above posters about the demographic issue.
It may not work out for the uslims even tho'they are so confident.
They are useless inthe workforce and useless with any kind of innovations.
If they even get as far as they think they will, which they may not, there will be a huge resistance.
Mrk Steyn makes good points, but so far as I know no one has accurately predicted the future. There are many things that can still happen to save the west. God willing!!
Posted by: Gramfan at December 10, 2006 6:52 AM
"Well, my friends, we truly are all in this together – Jews and Catholics, Lebanese Christians and Hindus, Orthodox Serbs, and Indonesian Christians. Until we begin to understand that, we have no hope of countering the global jihad"
Sure, but then from the Telegraph of India, we find out…
“Bush administration quietly announced at the Pentagon that it would equip Pakistan with thousands of missiles, airborne early warning systems and associated equipment worth a phenomenal $1.04 billion.
The proposed sale, notified to the Congress, comes close on the heels of unprecedented American participation in an International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi a few days ago…..
Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association,…answered The latest geostrategic rationale for many US (arms) sales is the so-called war on terror.... US officials claim that the recent sale to Pakistan of F-16 jets with air-to-air missiles will help in the fight against al Qaida. In reality, they are for fighting India….
The latest US arms sale to Pakistan involves 2,769 Radio Frequency TOW 2A missiles, 415 RF bunker buster missiles, fly-to-buy missiles in both these categories, 121 TOW launchers for wire-guided and wireless missiles, E-2C HAWKEYE 2000 Airborne Early Warning Systems, simulators and support equipment.
Some of these items are for Pakistan’s air defence network in aid of its naval forces. By no stretch does Pakistan face any massive naval threat from the Taliban or from al Qaida. Therefore, these equipment can only be used against the Indian navy while the missiles can prove deadly for India in the event of a war.”
So, much for collaboration amongst like-minded nations…the question is why arm to the teeth a terorist state, knowing fully well, that these weapons will only be used to kill Hindus and Indians.
at December 10, 2006 7:05 AM
Iran encourages Hamas officillay to continue the battle against Israel and that it will be supported with anything they need to fight Israel because America, the strongest ally, is weakened already.
at December 10, 2006 7:19 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
I think I am resigned to thinking that really I am not a real muslim in all senses of what word means...i.e. frankly there are
some aspects of it that we are all better off without.
Posted by: Naseem at December 5, 2006 08:20 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014293.php#comments
I just hope that (possibly through the aid of advanced Kafur medicine) I am alive to so see the miracle of the Koran taking pride of place in your homes as it does in mine...remember...only top and cleanest shelf will do.
Posted by: Naseem
You are all over the place on this one aren't you, smorgasbord Muslim? You will not be alive to see it, because they will kill the apostates and heretics first. You know this. Your only hope will be to embrace the "real" Islam you say you disbelieve.
I do not take pleasure in the thought of your death, but you, a "peaceful" Ahmadi, seem to take great pleasure in the thought of ours.
What a fraud you are.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 10, 2006 7:26 AM
“Bush administration quietly announced at the Pentagon that it would equip Pakistan with thousands of missiles, airborne early warning systems and associated equipment worth a phenomenal $1.04 billion."
AJack, - Bush converted?
If that would be true than it would be a big scandal.
I think it was a revange from the democrats and they sprayed rumors, because some claim to have evidence that some democratic congressman had secret meetings for supporting Hamas in Palestine.
But who knows,
is anybody here to confirm this deal from the post above?
at December 10, 2006 7:29 AM
"Well, my friends, we truly are all in this together – Jews and Catholics, Lebanese Christians and Hindus, Orthodox Serbs, and Indonesian Christians. Until we begin to understand that, we have no hope of countering the global jihad. When Zionists start caring about the fate of Serbs in Kosovo, when Hindus support Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (designated the West Bank), when Serbs stand up for Indian Kashmir, then we will begin making progress."
I look to the East and there is Hope
Posted by: raz at December 10, 2006 7:29 AM
I just hope that (possibly through the aid of advanced Kafur medicine) I am alive to so see the miracle of the Koran taking pride of place in your homes as it does in mine...remember...only top and cleanest shelf will do.
Posted by: Naseem
naseem my shelfs are occupied with this.
THE TESTAMENT
The New Testament is
CONTAINED
in the Old Testament.
The Old Testament is
EXPLAINED
in the New Testament.
The New Testament is
CONECEALED
in the Old Testament.
The Old Testament is
REVEALED
in the New Testament.
The New Testament
AUTHENTICATES
the Old Testament.
The Old Testament
ANTICIPATES
The New Testament.
The New Testament
LIES HIDDEN
in the Old Testament.
The Old Testament
LIES OPEN
in the New Testament.
The Old Testament
PREDICTS
a Person.
The New Testament
PRESENTS
that Person.
Pretty clear, isn’t it?
at December 10, 2006 7:34 AM
Arnie
coooooooooool post!!
I haven't seen that before. Thanks.
at December 10, 2006 7:50 AM
This is off topic, but has anyone seen or heard about that "documentary" Loose Change - 911? It sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theory crap. My concern is I heard a bunch of 20-some year olds talking about this in a bar. I bit my lip, and withheld putting in my 2 cents. I came home and googled "Loose Change - 911" I have to say, I was appalled at what I read. It sounds like CNN, Al- jazeera, BBC, and every ultra-lib college profs are in on this. Maybe I'm wrong, what do y'all know about this? What are some good counter measures I can chime in next time I run into these folks? I did suggest they google "Obsession".
Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 10, 2006 7:54 AM
Supposedly that movie is due to be released in theatres early next year. Why isn't "Obsession"
released on a bigger scale? Alot of our young people view Fox news as the enemy, so I know they won't see E.D. Hills special presentation.
at December 10, 2006 8:00 AM
Obviously, I suggested to the young folks at the bar that night that they check out this site too.
Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 10, 2006 8:23 AM
Hey speaking of Naseem, check this out http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/12/09/082959.php
Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 10, 2006 8:38 AM
Americanmadestrat, regarding the limited distribution of "Obsession" the movie, due to the subject matter it has been impossible to find a distributor. No one wants to be suicide bombed or sued by CAIR, so primarily the DVD is being sold on the internet.
Posted by: Muzzl'em at December 10, 2006 9:23 AM
Here is a good article by editorial columnist Doug Giles from yesterday that says it all when it comes to the never ending apathy of many people on the war on terror.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DougGiles/2006/12/09/our_shrinkage_in_the_global_war_on_terror
Posted by: Mackie at December 10, 2006 10:09 AM
A message to Naseem:
You will not see the United States ever become a muslim country, not in your lifetime, or any lifetime after that. Free countries love freedom. It's true that some of us have become complacent because we've forgotten what it took to get us at this grand and wonderful position in the world. We aren't aware of the sacrifices others have made. But when push comes to shove, no one in the United States is going to give up Monday Night Football, Martha Stewart, Jenna Jameson, Hollywood, snow-skiing, guns, Disney World, Reality TV, the best health care in the world, liberal education, marijuanna, beer kegs, breast implants, Viagra, soap, gym memberships, The Family Guy, The Lakers, The Yankees, Ford Trucks, and everything else that makes this country great for your stupid satanic mindless piece of smut you call a holy book. Our technology and weeaponry eats people like you for breakfast every day and it always will. So my grandkids will not be sporting little rat infested muslim beards. They will be sporting corvettes, eating tasty foods from across the world, making love, travelling into space. All the while watching the islamic countries of the world dissintigrate into madness because they can't figure out how the infidel got the best of them. You can memorize your islamic hell pages all you want, but it's not going to get you anywhere in this world, you know it, and all your friends know it too. The only future islam has is to drop its antiquated ideas, join the community of nations, and actually contirbute to this world. If it doesn't, it's going the way of the dodo.
Posted by: Tomilio at December 10, 2006 10:19 AM
Bush should be the one giving the speech that Feder gave. The main problem is the lack of leadership by Bush and our western allies. What we get instead is the throw Israel under the bus report by the Irrelevant Study Group and proposals to link arms with the devil's acolytes.
We will only be motivated to take on this global challenge when a true leader steps forward and starts telling the truth about Islam, the religion of death. Or, we wait for another 9/11 that rocks us out of our Starbucks latte.
We are losing on leadership, strategy, honest information dissemination, and our lack of will on getting off arab oil.
Its time to flush Islam down into the sewer where it belongs. Let them swim alone in their own filth.
Posted by: gordo at December 10, 2006 10:34 AM
Yes, we are all in this together. All the ostriches stand next to each other, waiting for Islam to do its bloody work. At least all those heads will be buried easily.
In 50 years or less the dictionary will define Islam as extermination. That's assuming the Taliban allows dictionaries at all.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 10, 2006 11:16 AM
But at least after Pearl Harbor, most Americans understood that they were at war. It’s been five years since this generation’s Pearl Harbor, and most of us still don’t have a clue.
Back then there was no obfuscatory language in play. For his part, I notice that, in this article, the author hismelf dares peep the war's name.
* 2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 9:2 * 5:50 *
I'm not grasping the logic of those who argue that western countries with declining population have no choice but to take in large number of immigrants to survive.
Especially in light of the breakthroughs made over the past quarter century in automation. If it weren't for the 25 million or so aboriginal Indians let across our southern border, there'd be a boom in innovation right now in harvesting, landscaping, slaughterhouse operations, and a panoply of service tasks.
But George W. Bush has a business degree from Harvard, so his ignorance is understandable. But Dubya hates the Constitution as much as he hates keeping abreast with science, engineering, and innovation.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 10, 2006 11:26 AM
Shoulda typed "dares not peep the war's name."
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 10, 2006 11:27 AM
I just hope that (possibly through the aid of advanced Kafur medicine) I am alive to so see the miracle of the Koran taking pride of place in your homes as it does in mine...remember...only top and cleanest shelf will do.
I got a KKKoran from some MO-Foe proselytizer recently. I lined the bird cage and the cat box with pages torn from it. The rest it toilet paper. So you can say the KKKoran is really full of ...t. :-)
at December 10, 2006 12:38 PM
“Bush administration quietly announced at the Pentagon that it would equip Pakistan with thousands of missiles, airborne early warning systems and associated equipment worth a phenomenal $1.04 billion.
The proposed sale, notified to the Congress, comes close on the heels of unprecedented American participation in an International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi a few days ago….."
Any more votes for DHIMMI of the year?
PS. Maybe the DemocRATS will make themselves useful and BLOCK THIS SALE!!!!!!! I'm off to email chuck and Hitlery. After all they are my Senators. God I am about to PUKE!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 12:56 PM
"We must stand together as one...and oppose....but oppose how"?
with a bullet between the eyes. One by one.
at December 10, 2006 12:59 PM
I look to the East and there is Hope
Posted by: raz
GREAT WEBSITE!!!! These Hindus got it going on!!! Bravo!!
check out the bin Laden Poster in which he says: "I don't need a spokesman in America. We have Ted Kennedy." PRICELESS!!!!
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 1:03 PM
Looks like we've caught the attention of the blood-thirsty, hideous mufti troll again.
Gee, what is it about us that she just can't stand?
Posted by: americaningermany
I think we both know the answer: We say the truth - uncomfortable as it may be.
islam = borg = death
at December 10, 2006 1:12 PM
naseem quoted
The Byzantines in desperation ofcourse came to the european christians for help...and was refused....now you too are learning that denial is not just a river in Egypt.
naseem i bet your grateful to the crusaders for not helping the byzantiums and letting you steal constantinople whops i forgot i meant conquer not steal as you muslims like to put it everytime you steal a country whops i mean conquer i bet your also grateful to american when it bombed kosovo to give it to your muslim brothers?
at December 10, 2006 1:27 PM
"I am not saying that Muslims are inherently bad people. Most Muslims are like most people everywhere. I am saying that there are elements in Islam that incline adherents to commit the crimes detailed a moment ago.
"I am saying – and let me be clear about this – that a faith embraced by as many as 1.3 billion people worldwide contains within it the seeds of the evil we see all around us – seeds which require only the right conditions to germinate. It all goes back to the Koran".
How much longer must the asymptotization approximate, but not simply arrive?
Posted by: remote_control at December 10, 2006 1:29 PM
yeah right we all in this together thats why america helped albanians take kosovo and sold weapons to turkey to invade Cyprus. IF this is being in it together then i would hate to think what not being together in this is.
Posted by: Greek Gurl at December 10, 2006 1:30 PM
who wants to be in a world where islam is the major religion?? I would rather be dead than a muslim.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 10, 2006 1:38 PM
hey Nariz:
¡musulmanes AFUERA! Posted by Americaningermany
If by that you mean Muslims out, I whole heartedly agree, and nothing I've ever posted indicates otherwise, thus I'm bemused as to why you took the time to post to me a sentiment I totally agree with.
Then again no one ever accused you of being bright.
Too bad the "regressives" who call themselves "conservative" don't pay attention to Don Feder, instead of investing resources and energy into confronting and evicting Islam, they prefer to play Coulter, Oreilly. Robertson, Dobson, Perkins, Brownback, and LImpballs and invest their energy in some phoney cultural war against fellow non muslim Americans.
But then again no one ever accused a "regressive" of being bright either and from all evidence there is a dearth of intelligence and perceptivity in the ranks of these "culture warriors".
Posted by: Nariz at December 10, 2006 2:45 PM
Naseem thinks America will just eventually cave into Islam...lots of muslims think that...News flash: 'That aint necessarily so'. It may be possible to bully a bunch of weak dhimmi wannabe's in government into capitulation, but the average American will never accept Islam on its terms, and many will be active against it. In spite of liberal efforts to dis-arm America, there are millions of weapons in the hands of loyal Americans. Many of these 'gun' owners are trained and experienced ex-military men.
Islam can 'never' defeat America Naseem...Not on the battlefield nor in the world of ideas...Islam is just not equipped to do so...In the end, Allah will not only lose...he will die...and good riddance...
at December 10, 2006 2:47 PM
Nariz..."Then again no one ever accused you of being bright". (Directed at AIG)...
HAHA...I have never read anyone sending acolades in your direction either. Actually, you know a lot, but you always throw a wet blanket on your own party, by being just a little 'too' liberal, and a little 'too' anti-Christian and a little 'too' caustic.
This does not necessarilly make you a bad guy, but it does make you a caustic, anti-christian, liberal.
Now that probably hurts...sometimes some alluminum hydroxide gel...Maalox, Gelusil, can relieve that over-acidity and burning feeling. You will still be an anti-Christian liberal, but you will far less caustic...Have a good day...
at December 10, 2006 3:07 PM
is it time to launch a counter American-jihad againt those that would murder us? I wonder how tolorant the world would be about that if it happened? http://sacredscoop.com
Posted by: CottShop at December 10, 2006 3:19 PM
raz & GIA
I found it interesting that hinduunity.org chose to devote a full section to its support of Israel, solidarity with the Jews, and even included a section on Jewish contributions to India. In the past, they sometimes let their emotions get the better of them and extrapolated their anti-Islamic views to cover all Abrahamic faiths. I do wish they'd patch up with the Christians (and yeah, that would require Christian missionaries to focus their activities only on Indian Muslims), so that they can deflect some of the charges of them being a "communal" organization.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 10, 2006 3:34 PM
Assalamau Laikum Corcened Citizen ,
It is wrong for you to say I am a fraud. I standby the fact somethings of Islam proper are best left behind.
But as Islam will be globally dominant..may as well agree on an Islam that we can all live with...that's my point.
Posted by: Naseem at December 10, 2006 4:04 PM
To Arnie: Re: Pakistan getting U.S. f-16s
An article entitled: "US-Pakistan defence ties being Boosted" published Nov. 16, 2006 by Anwar Iqbal stated, in part, "...Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice later sent a letter to Congress indicating that no F-16 combat aircraft or related equipment would be delivered to Pakistan until Islamabad provided written security assurances that no US technology will be accessible by third parties.
"Islamabad has, however, denied that any “extraordinary” security requirements were requested.
"After further negotiations on specifics, including a payment process that will require a major outlay from the Pakistani treasury, the United States and Pakistan in September signed a letter of acceptance for the multibillion dollar F-16 deal." [end]
Also, Reuters reports: "Lockheed gets $144 Million deal for Pakistan F-16s." (Dec. 5, 2006)
So, I guess it's true..
Posted by: J.S. at December 10, 2006 4:13 PM
Duh_Swami~ I just recently read Orianna Fallaci's 'Force of Reason.' I suspect it would not be on nariz' reading list- she describes him just too accurately for his liking. Or I should say, the vast majority of those in the EU who are siding with the islmofascists... who sound very much like him in background and verbiage.
Posted by: Gary at December 10, 2006 4:22 PM
Naseem,
I say you are a "fraud" because
1) you taunt and prematurely celebrate based upon your supposed "reverence" for something you say you don't believe has integrity (the Qur'an) and
2) you prematurely celebrate the the victory of something you say you don't believe in (violent jihad warfare).
I say you are a "fraud" because you are an Islamic apologist who
1) admits you are not a "real" muslim
2) doesn't even believe the tenets of the heretical Ahmadiyya faith which you profess and for which you proselytize.
3) falsely infers frequently that there is no substantial theological or other impediment to Westerner's converting to Ahmadi and trys to obfuscate when such "impediments" are recounted.
4) claims concern for infidels while obviously relishing their demise.
5) proselytizes for the Ahmadi faith, not because you believe it is true, but because you hope greater numbers will delay your own fate.
And I say you are a "fraud" because you haven't the slightest speck of gratitude for "kufr" medicine, technology, pluralism, etc. Gratitude is a normal human response that you have learned to suppress, making you less human.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 10, 2006 4:30 PM
If by that you mean Muslims out, I whole heartedly agree, and nothing I've ever posted indicates otherwise, thus I'm bemused as to why you took the time to post to me a sentiment I totally agree with.
Then again no one ever accused you of being bright.
NARIZ.. and noone ever accused you of having too much of a sense of humor. Typical for the dogmatic Left. AND you failed to direct your wrath at the proper address.
Besides ALL i said was moslems out and you say you agree before going into a ranting tirade. What's up?
Too bad the "regressives" who call themselves "conservative" don't pay attention to Don Feder, instead of investing resources and energy into confronting and evicting Islam, they prefer to play Coulter, Oreilly. Robertson, Dobson, Perkins, Brownback, and LImpballs and invest their energy in some phoney cultural war against fellow non muslim Americans.
Sorry but I am NOT the one you assume I am. I CAN'T STAND Limpballs. He's nothing but a cheap mouthpiece and he does more tharm than good. Same for OReilly and his NO-SPINE zone. I am more with Michael Savage and the legalistic and constitutional explorations of a Marc Levin. No coulter or Vanity for me either. I am NOT engaged in nor do I care to promote a cultural war against ANY fellow non-moslems. I am by nature live and let live so my efforts are directed exclusivelyt against those who seek to take away all our freedom worldwide.
But then again no one ever accused a "regressive" of being bright either and from all evidence there is a dearth of intelligence and perceptivity in the ranks of these "culture warriors".
Posted by: Nariz
You really like to use that phrase "noone accused so-and-so of being too bright". Good for you if that makes you feel more intelligent than the rest of us boors on here.
You can question my intelligence, Nariz, but don;t underestimate my powers of perception. I KNEW moslems were up to no good the first time I ever saw one and I've been met with an increasingly mighty mountain of Evidence. The chorus of affirmation is getting noisier by the day.
I think there is pleanty of "perceptivity" [sic] among our ranks and I am glad to be among them.
Hasta luego, niñito.
Ps. Sorry you caught my flak, AIG.
Have a look at this for a good laugh!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKN3KfSNrUo
Posted by: germaninamerica at December 10, 2006 4:31 PM
"as Islam will be globally dominant..may as well agree on an Islam that we can all live with"
The only Islam Westerners can live with is an Islam deracinated of the following:
1) all political powers beyond those necessary to protect basic rights of free worship (those basic rights defined by the 1948 Declaration of Human Rights and other Western documents pertaining to same)
2) all legal powers beyond those necessary to protect basic rights of free worship (ibid)
3) all notions of physical "self-defense", beyond those expressed merely verbally, figuratively, poetically, spiritually, psychologically
4) all military expressions, beyond those expressed merely verbally, figuratively, poetically, spiritually, psychologically
5) all expressions of hatred and intolerance for non-Muslims, including the dozens found in the Qur'an itself, as well as the hundreds found in the Ahadith.
#5 would require either
a) mandated messages of warning put into the Qur'ans and Ahadith, as well as in every sermon and quotation of those passages -- like the Surgeon General's warning on every pack of cigarettes -- to the effect that these passages are no longer relevant and/or are merely figurative and not literal;
or, more radically,
b) actual purgation of those verses from all copies of the Qur'an and Ahadith.
The actualization of #1-5 would furthermore require:
Concrete demonstrable efforts by Muslim organizations to root out their bad apples -- bad apples defined as any Muslim who expresses disagreement with, and/or who works to undermine, any one or any number of the above five items.
Somehow, I'm pessimistic that more than a pitiful handful of Muslims worldwide would acquiesce to this kind of Islam.
at December 10, 2006 4:56 PM
I understand Islam has nothing to do with these incidences.
Posted by: TheOmegaMan at December 10, 2006 5:41 PM
Marisol,
Can you please put Naseem on notice and tell her to stop courting us to worship Islam? I do not come here to be asked to convert to another faith. And I do not seek to court others to my faith (if I have one).
I come here to discuss jihad. This is a non sectarian site where we may discuss the role of Islam and/or other religious ideologies. This blog should not be a place for Naseem and others to try to offer us a place in their religion...ie: Islam. I am damn tired of it. I can handle her taunting about Islams global domination but can not tolerate constantly being asked to join Islam before it is too late.
PS: I wouldn't tolerate this from any other religion but, yet again, it just seems to be a Muslim causing the trouble.
Thank you in advance.
Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 10, 2006 5:45 PM
Sir Oinks Alot/Marisol
While I understand your position, I would not like to see Naseem banned or subject to conversational limitations. It is natural for her as a muslim woman captured by the demon Allah, to invite others into the vipers nest. She is supposed to do that.
It is also natural for her to claim victory for Allah before it is achieved. She opens her mind for us, so that we can see just what slavery to a demon does to an otherwise fine human being. If we look, we can see the psychosis of Allahphrenia, infecting her ideas and thought processes. By studying Naseem over time we can see the 'schizoid-Allah-phrenia' that infests all muslims.
It is possible that Naseem is more than one person. If thats the case, He/She/Them/It are even more valuable...
at December 10, 2006 6:31 PM
Naseem is, in every sense, the devil's advocate, playing or not.
Posted by: dms at December 10, 2006 7:04 PM
Assalamau Laikum Sir Oinks Alot,
What's the matter..little piggy wiggy....hurt your little feelings have I? ...Ahhhhhh poor little piglet...never mind here is some oinkment to make you feel better.
In truth you have nothing to fear from a widowed Ahmadi woman in her 40s'. What you need to fear is the jihadist who will huff and puff and blow your house down with an RPG. So how do you avoid that...stop the jihadist...or convert...both will reduce the chances of your house going down the wayside.
Conversion has many other advantages to you....let's explore this in more detail.
1)Your house won't get blown by an RPG.
2)It takes time to adjust to become a wuslim. A lot of nieve persons won't get that time...listen to me and you won't be one of them.
3)You WILL be on the eventual winning side.
4) Christianity has lost it's charm and it's followers lacks faith. Heck we had that thread the other day...no one could adequately define the trinity...some say it exists, others don't ...and not many will walk to a church door (the house of God) in the middle of the night for fear of ghosts of the poor souls buried in church gardens. You have no such fears within Islam, it's followers have been praying to Allah SWT since they were in the womb...it's part of our DNA....the kafur will dissect that code and find it to be true one day.
5) Womens have true liberation within Islam...I'm sure that even Marisol will have ssen some aspects of this in her time of watching all the postings.
In fact many peopls here have been asking me to persue christianity...and I have been reading some material from the bible ...and it been interesting reading....I have merely been returning the favour.
If you want to ban me ...that's your perogative...be a bit of a shame as I have made some e-friends here...and ofcourse you will miss out on the advice required ...when conversion time is close....the choice is yours...a nod and a wink and several oinks....your friend indeed ..Naseem.
Posted by: Naseem at December 10, 2006 7:14 PM
Naseem,
Regarding "that thread", I gave you a definitive reference on the Trinity (scroll to the end of the thread), plus some advice on why you are so spiritually screwed up.
You won't read it, though.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 10, 2006 7:27 PM
The truth is that Christanity is growing by leaps and bounds bigtime in the global south. Even in some parts of the Muslim world, those who were Muslim have experienced conversion to Christ and to Christanity because of having "visions" of Jesus. This URL confirms it.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/69001.aspx
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 10, 2006 7:48 PM
To Duh Swami,
I appreciate your position but i think there is very little to be learned from Naseem. If you've read one post, you've read them all. It is like studying a single celled amoeba. There ain't much there. The same Islamic tripe with each post.
Hey Troll (Naseem),
Your writing style changes with each post convincing me that there are a few people posing as "Naseem". In any event, i can handle the taunts but don't appreciate the offer.
As for the remainder of your post, it has nothing substantive, just like the Islamic faith! Veiled threats and empty promises...
No Thanks.
Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at December 10, 2006 7:51 PM
Naseem is a troll, do not feed the trolls.
That means do not refer to them, to not respond to them, do not ask them questions, do not answer their questions. Especially trolls that act as agent provocateurs, as in this thread, to bait you with provocative statements just to get your goat. We are not muslims here, so we do not have goats. Remember that.
Naseem may be a paki woman, but most likely is a 21 year-old white, male, leftist college student in a dorm room at Berkley yanking your chain. Either way, your chain is what is being yanked when you respond to "Naseem".
The fact that this poster has perfect american english colloquialisms, yet also seems to have different writing styles, different grammar, different spelling errors, and different personalities, is proof that "Naseem" does not exist as a person, much less a person in Pakistan.
Please, let that be the end of it. Do not feed the agent provocateur leftist trolls.
Posted by: August22 at December 10, 2006 9:38 PM
To the Muslims on this thread (Naseem's mutliple personalities)
If Islam is such a great religion why must people be forced to convert to it? As you point out - convert or an RPG will be sent on its way.
If Islam is such a great religion why is it that most of the sustained violence in this world relates to Islam?
If Islam is such a great religion why are its people so ignorant, poorly educated, not cared for, and dirt poor (ever seen the people of the tombs in Cairo - so much for Muslim charity, oh, i forgot, they live like shit because its the will of Allah)?
If Islam is such a great religion why is it that Muslim power and wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few and the rest are as stated above?
If Islam is such a great religion how come people are not trying to immigrate to Muslim countries but in fact leaving in droves to the West (you don't agree, just go to Western embassies in Muslim countries and look at the lines)?
If Islam is such a great religion how come there are no advances that benefit humankind coming out of Muslim countries such as in medicine, science, art, literature, music, etc (oh, i forgot, half these things are banned by the religion of peace)?
If Islam is such a great religion how come young boys must be brainwashed to blow up innocent people to sustain the religion?
If Islam is such a great religion how come Muslim girls and women are subjected to stonings for being raped, genital manipulation, slavery, sexual abuse, daily subjugation, and basically being treated like animals? (by the way, I have spent a fair amount of time in the middle east and north africa so my perspective on this comes from experience)
If Islam is such a great religion why does it grow through fear and violence? Is there some truth that its afraid of having exposed? (such as Allah doesn't exist). Humans, by their nature, have a thirst for knowledge, yet Islam, by its structure and stricture, wants people to be kept ignorant? Why is that, what are you people afraid of, the truth?
I honestly don't see anything great about Islam or anything positive about it for that matter, but maybe I'm just missing something. It seems to me its just one big and successful brainwashing scheme that some pedophile named Mohammed made up.
Posted by: gordo at December 10, 2006 9:43 PM
Naseem, in my opinion what makes you a fraud is that you claim to be doing Da'wa, inviting infidels to the faith but frankly, you suck at it. JW is quite smart to keep your posts here because frankly to us infidels you are a horror story of a human being. Rather than doing dawa (as you claim to be doing), you are having the exact opposite effect. You are creating a feeling of complete disgust in all of us towards Islam. Is that your intention? To turn everyone off to Islam with your disgusting and offensive supremacist rants? If that's your intention, well girl its working. Congratulations. But that's precisely why people wonder if you're a fraud. Because your stated intention is totally at odds with your actual effect. I hope you are truly anonymous. Because if not, and if anyone knows your actual identity, from the sick Muslim perspective that you represent, and for the actual harm you are doing to the cause of Islam (despite your claims to be merely practicing da'wa), it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some Muslim took you out behind the woodshed and put a bullet between your eyes, merely for the crime of doing so much harm to the cause of Islam through your misguided attempts at da'wa which reveal so clearly the Muslim hatred of the indifel, even from the supposedly most peaceful sect of Islam. Honey - if you are the poster child for "peaceful" (Ahmadi) Islam, then its pretty clear what we infidels are up against. And thanks to you for making that reality a whole lot more clear than it otherwise might have been.
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 10:29 PM
It would be best to have Naseem banned. Naseem has become a troll and when it gets to the point that even ignoring it becomes too much, then it is time to ban the troll.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 10, 2006 10:37 PM
bigcatgirl - I disagree - the supremacist, KKK-like attitudes conveyed in her posts (and she represents the most peaceful Muslim sect) are too priceless. The fact that she thinks she's doing something good while actually having the exact opposite effect in terms of people's assessment of Islam (which demonstrates her fundamental idiocy), is too instructive to warrant banning, no matter how infuriating her posts are at times.
Posted by: Caroline at December 10, 2006 10:50 PM
Also, Reuters reports: "Lockheed gets $144 Million deal for Pakistan F-16s." (Dec. 5, 2006)
So, I guess it's true..
Posted by: J.S. at December 10, 2006 04:13 PM
What conclusion to draw from this?
I can think of two options only.
Either he's(Bush)getting insane, or he hopes secretly that someone starts something like qaida to oppose the islamic threats.
In any case he has no guts.
Posted by: Arnie at December 11, 2006 12:04 AM
Off topic: Somebody comment on this one. Is 84% of the US workforce either working directly for the government or in a job that is doing work that is mandated by the federal government? Fact or fiction?
Posted by: betterpayattention at December 10, 2006 01:57 AM
I would definitely call it fiction. Where did you get that information?
at December 11, 2006 12:09 AM
Arnie said
Either he's(Bush)getting insane, or he hopes secretly that someone starts something like qaida to oppose the islamic threats.
That is a disheartening story. GWB is not insane. He honestly believes that Musharraf is his friend, that Pakistan is our ally in the GWOT. He believes that Musharraf is a "moderate" who we must keep in power, because otherwise Pakistan will fall to the "few radicals". Never mind that Musharraf's security forces are dominated by jihadists, his government is in league with Al Qaeda, his nuclear weapon chief is the world's largest nuclear weapons proliferator, etc. etc. etc.
GWB is not wise. After 6 years in power, he is still no closer to "getting it" when it comes to the biggest threat to the security of the U.S. He is not imaginative. He is not innovative. He is reckless in getting us involved in conflicts that are far beyond his level of understanding. He has motivations that are quite different from those of us "little people", his goals are not in sync with the best interests of the nation. He is many things, but he is not insane.
Posted by: special_guest at December 11, 2006 2:16 AM
Caroline,
Having seen the last posting by Naseem in this thread, having come home from a Christmas church presentation with a party, and after reading this post, having bookmarked an article of Muslims coming to faith in Jesus because of visions and having lost patience posted the then urgent post to get Naseem/the troll banned.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 11, 2006 9:01 AM
But as Islam will be globally dominant..may as well agree on an Islam that we can all live with...that's my point
How about:
Islam , a religion we can all die by....That is my point.
Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 11, 2006 9:34 AM
Its time to drive those who practice this despotic and barbaric religion of death and destruction back to the hellholes they came from. Send them back to their cutthroat cultures with their depraved and demented religious leaders. Let Islam fester in its own pus.
A few decades of teeming, seething barbarism by followers of the religion of peace against their fellow Muslims should eliminate a certain percentage of the world's problem. Then, when they unite to attack the West, we will know our enemy without a doubt.
There is not a news organization, politician, bureacrat or religious leader on the planet who can convince me that we must not eradicate this Pseudo-religious Cult before it destroys us. The sheep should expel the wolf from their fold before its too late. When I hear the media mouth reverence for Islam and Mo-mutt, I laugh. The insanity of revering a pedophile, barbarian and evil, demented man as some kind of prophet and link to Judaism and Christianity is the most demented joke of all time.
I guess if you prostrate yourself and bang your head on the floor enough times, the world thinks you are holy and pious. If you tithe to terrorism, the world thinks you are religious.
To whit I say: Mo-mutt, the prophet may piss be upon him. Piss to Islam. The religion of piss can just go spread its piss somewhere else.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at December 11, 2006 2:36 PM
Apologies for getting to this somewhat late.
I won't be banning Naseem unless otherwise directed by Robert or Hugh. I can recall Hugh in particular speaking against banning Naseem. I agree: Too much useful information -- though not in the way she may think, i.e., for anyone's eventual conversion. I think it offers a look into the Muslim mindset toward unbelievers and world affairs, even from someone who comes across as generally well-meaning.
I realize this issue also pre-dates my tenure as News Editor-- another reason to respectfully defer the decision to someone higher in the chain of command.
Posted by: MarisolJW at December 11, 2006 4:17 PM
"When Zionists start caring about the fate of Serbs in Kosovo, when Hindus support Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria (designated the West Bank), when Serbs stand up for Indian Kashmir, then we will begin making progress."
Not until secular leftist liberals in all the countries remain in bed with jihadists.
at December 11, 2006 4:30 PM
Count me as one who believes that Naseem has value here, and that actually can be counted upon to ask questions that can be used to clear up misunderstandings regarding what Muslims are taught about Christianity and what Christians actually believe. I have no problem with her.
As for this Nariz guy, he's a harmful to everyone who comes here. I believe he's a poser, a jihadi wolf in sheep's clothing.
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 11, 2006 5:59 PM
Naseem says:
"But as Islam will be globally dominant..may as well agree on an Islam that we can all live with...that's my point. "
So, your religion is right because of consensis? If it becomes "globally dominant," then in the end it will prove to be true? You even admit that portions of the Quran belong in a trash-heap, yet as long as it is "dominant," then you'll stand by it, smelly, disgusting elements of it and all?
Christ Jesus spoke about this sort of consensis in Matthew 7:13,14:
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Christ taught the truth of that which is dominant is the way towards death and damnation. You are on that path, Naseem. You and your global domimance-inspired brethren are on a path that leads directly to hell. Get off while you still can!
at December 11, 2006 6:25 PM
5) Womens have true liberation within Islam...I'm sure that even Marisol will have ssen some aspects of this in her time of watching all the postings. - Naseem
Well, since this was addressed to me in particular, I do have a few thoughts on it:
What ultimately constitutes "liberation" for me is not gender-specific: The first is equality
under the law, including-- things like equal inheritance, legal rights related to marriage
(no Sura 4:34), and especially equal weight given to a woman's testimony in court.
Not to mention freedom of movement: to go out alone when I please, to drive, travel, and
freely associate with whomever I choose.
The second is freedom of conscience, which ties in with freedom of movement, of speech, and of worship.
On all of these factors, I find the US Constitution wins, hands down. And so I'm committed to its defense.
Posted by: MarisolJW at December 11, 2006 7:02 PM
I do hope JW will come to a consensus on trolls, agent provocateurs intentionally hijacking and derailing threads, and other OT rants.
Troll provocations may be positive or negative. If a troll is allowed to make a derogation of your faith, then I think it is fair game (and essentially required by conscience) to defend said faith. Alternatively, it is quite difficult (again, under pain of conscience), even when you know the troll is insincere (and merely being provocative), if they request information about your faith as though they were somehow at a spiritual crisis, not to provide that information.
Let's face it though. Trolls are increasing here. They all follow the same pattern ("Islam is peace...you don't understand Islam.....we will kill you"). They all have similar "pedagogical value". If "Naseem" were banned, the only thing she/he/it would lose is a decrement of notoriety (which is most of her/his/it motivation). Approximately 45 seconds on TypeKey and voilà! Back on.
Perhaps it is good for JW/DW to enjoy the number of "hits" caused by JW/DWers furious about a troll. Notice how the "Comments" volume blooms whenever a troll shows up. You can literally tell which thread a troll is on just by looking at the numbers. Seems like a lot of bandwidth and disk space, though.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 11, 2006 7:15 PM
Personally, I think it is very illustriative when Naseem comes here and displays her ignorance and hypocrasy, especially in light of her admitted declaration that portions of Islamic doctrine and dogma are lies and anti-women. It's fun to watch the ideological gymnastics whenever she defends her faith while knowing this.
I mean, she's said numerous times that portions of the Quran that obviously AREN'T true ARE NOT TRUE. So, what can we logically gather from this? In my mind, she doesn't actually believe in Islam; however, it is the only thing she knows, and thus does not know what else to believe in or defend.
She somehow feels like she can pick and choose what portions of Islam she can stomach, ditch the rest, and try to feel confident in telling us that HER version of Islam (all the "good stuff," sans all the "bad stuff") will prevail, and that we'll all get on board with HER someday. The illogic of what she's desperately holding onto is probably the problem faced by the majority of Muslims (the over-50% of them who haven't succumed to the bloodthirsty, "strike the necks of unbelievers wherever you find the"-types). They reject the ugly, totally disgusting elements of their religion, and hope beyond all hope that THEIR version of Islam will come out in the end.
At some point, I believe some event is going to shake these people out of their struggle to justify their holding onto Islam, and they're going to leave it in droves. The fanatical, murderous element will always be there, but the socially-conscious Muslim is going to leave Islam, and nothing is going to stop them--not even the threat of "apostasy."
Posted by: yohannbiimu at December 11, 2006 7:43 PM
About the immigration issue, it used to be a good thing for many reasons.For instance people came here for a better life,to work and educate thier children.There were those who needed to immigrate here for health treatments that were not available in thier countries.It was a great thing in the days gone by because really it brought the world ,in a way just a little bit closer.I remember a small article i read of a muslim that came here not too long ago,he is handicapped and wheel chair bound.Well in his country they are not treated well and are abused,maybe i guess considered weak or cursed by allah....who knows whats in peoples minds anymore.
The problem is the immigration issue needs to be re evaluated.We give slews of aid to almost if not all nations on this earth,nothing like a ways back when immigration WAS the aid.In fact one idea you could say for immigration if for no other reason was to educate the immigrant so they could take what they have learned back to thier nations and help thier own people out.This doesn't happen.
Now we have an explosive immigration policy,look at the mexicans just for an example and they are overwhelmingly illegal aliens.We not only provide aid by the millions to immigrant nations but to those who just pop out of the wood work also.The citizens of this nation go without and yes they suffer so others even those that hate us have enough (though it seems there is never enough for the reasons above).
America is a rich nation of sorts,it just doesn't have any money it has a life style.The reason most immigrate to the U.S. is for work for the almighty dollar.I find a problem with this in the way we are the monsters because we have the means to provide for those that come here even if they never work a job in thier life here.I can't see why they are not mad at thier own leaders in thier own nations for the lack of prosperity.To answer this question all one has to do is look at what these nations and thier leaders do.The oil rich nations well the hierarchy keeps the wealth as personal wealth and only dole it out just enough to keep them comming for more and all the while have to sing the song to thier tune.In short they aspire to nothing much.
I look at what is happening today and see no real surprise, islam got what it has by the sword and invasion.I will give credit where credit is due they are masters of this as they are running a propaganda machine.Why invent? Why work at it when you can just take it?
What i find sad and worse yet maddening,because i am a pretty passive man,is that it will take a hell of a lot more innocent people to die and i mean in this country before people really see the big picture.All the warnings being spouted by the islamic hierarchy are islamic truths it may not be today or tomorrow but when they are prepared and we are asleep the dogs of islam will come howling and the best tool they would have had to use would be our own laws and rules of living to slit our throats and those of our children.There is a proverb (i consider it a proverb anyway) "Freedom is not free,it is paid for with blood",but i would like to add that freedom has it's limits as well there can be too much of a good thing.
Stating this "proverb" above islam has already started playing the race card the one that works so well for others whether or not it needed to be played,it gets someone something so why not.Islam isn't even a race it's a political entity ruled by religious laws and some pretty crappy ones at that.Islam comes to this country dressed in it's hypocritcal robes and hollers and demands equal everything,actually they want better everything than the rest,all the while they oppress,crush any freedom and imprison,murder and torture any that defy the islamic rule and no ground is given.They like to point out the few christians living among them but never point out that all they are now is all they can ever be under the thumb of islam.
To shorten my thought here i am for immigration,modest immigration and responsible immigration.I am for aiding nations in need but not being the economy of nations in greed.People harp on the aid we give israel,i say look what israel has done with it.t
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