-Memo to Ibrahim Hooper: I hereby volunteer to fly to Mecca. I promise you I'll keep close tabs on the airline service, Ibrahim, and will give you a full report as soon as I get back

Uh, if you wouldn't mind, could you point the nose of the plane right into that big black box? Thanx man, God is Grrrreeeaaaat! (sorry Tony)

-800/784-7526

WOW, to good to be true! I urge all of you to call up and sing Christmas carols.

Posted by: JustaDhimmi at December 13, 2006 8:26 AM

Hey Ibrahim !

Here's my middle finger raised in the air in honour of an America hating fool like yourself.

islamics and airplanes dont mix - together they are an obscenity - let them walk to Mecca with a bevy of beltway whores to wipe their butts and otherwise service them.

Posted by: dgene at December 13, 2006 8:30 AM

Hypothetical. It is the 1960s there is an identifiable group (not nessarily racially identifiable) that has lots of members who around the world are blowing up buses, blowing up airplanes, blowing up trains, and blowing up airliners. In said hypothetical environment would the U.S. Congress ever have allowed said group equal access to buses? airplanes? trains or hotels? Osma bin Laden isn't Martin Luther King. His 1/2 trillion followers aren't American blacks. CAIR you ain't the NAACP. We believe in equality under the law. The law will allow permissible discriminations. We are about to define such as Dar al harb is tortured and tested by Moslems.

Posted by: David England at December 13, 2006 8:38 AM

CAIR is Al-Qaeda Lite and they engage in Stormtrooper style propaganda and intimidation. As Senator Chuck Schumer has noted, they have known terrorist connections. They are wolves among sheep and practice deception, a feature of the belief-system that distinguishes it from all other belief-systems. The fact that the belief-system provides any option of deception under any circumstances makes Islam unique. In the message of Christ (e.g.) it is noted that all deception-hypocrisy comes from "the evil one". Gandhi (Hindu) and others from other faiths (excepting Islam) appear to agree with Jesus. Ibrahim Hopper and CAIR (aka Al-Qaeda Lite) believe otherwise and are unlikely to speak or behave like Gandhi.

Posted by: Frank at December 13, 2006 8:44 AM

Until the infidel is allowed in Mecca, Moslems should not be allowed inside Mega Lo Mart.

Posted by: Bar at December 13, 2006 8:46 AM

in some ways, CAIR is giving us a gift. the organization is becoming unambiguously seditious; and no, not with an eye toward creating a decent society.

stuff like "sue all airlines so we can better test their defenses" will further isolate the organization, so that only the most craven (like Conyers) will contine to give support. More important, a message will seep into the minds of more people, people of all ethnic groups and of all non-Muslim faiths, and even people who write political commentary for the New York Times: "Is there something wrong with Islam?"

am glad that jihadwatch is publicizing CAIR's behavior. in our lifetime, the leadership of CAIR will pay for its sedition.

Posted by: StillBreathing at December 13, 2006 9:00 AM

-800/784-7526

WOW, to good to be true! I urge all of you to call up and sing Christmas carols.

Not only that, but throw in a few Ozzy Osbourne and AC/DC tunes....Oh and be sure to verify their food order consisting of a Pulled Pork Sandwich and a Jack Daniels chaser!.....

Posted by: Oiznop at December 13, 2006 9:01 AM

"Don't bargain with God. Be direct. Ask for what you need. This isn't a cat-and-mouse, hide-and-seek game we're in. If your child asks for bread, do you trick him with sawdust? If he asks for fish, do you scare him with a live snake on his plate? As bad as you are, you wouldn't think of such a thing. You are at least decent to your own children. So don't you think the God who conceived you in love will be even better?"-Jesus, from the Gospel of Mathew, page 1756, The Message, the Bible in contemporary language.

Be direct with God and man, Ibrahim and CAIR (al-qaeda Lite). Don't be hypocrites. It's not nice to do that. (Too bad the "rights" you pretend are violated in the US aren't given at Mecca or generally in the Muslim world. My hunch is that if they were, many in your belief-system would run from it because they would have something to run to.)

Posted by: Frank at December 13, 2006 9:07 AM

from above:

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), citing what it called the "airport profiling" of six imams removed from a recent flight"

In many parts of the world, Muslims engage in "Infidel Profiling", resulting in the deaths of the Infidels Identified.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 13, 2006 9:20 AM

Why is CAIR still here? It has closer links to terrorism and terrorists than dozens of other Islamic groups that have been shut down by the FBI. Why is CAIR still here? Because it is a protected political asset funded by Saudi Arabia. Why is CAIR still here? Phone this number to query: 202-456-1111.

http://www.arabnews.com/?article=84122

Posted by: Charles Martel at December 13, 2006 9:25 AM

This is infuriating! It is nothing more than a mafia-style racketeering scheme! This Moslem trash and subhumanity from CAIR is simply now stealing OUR money! I say OUR money because it is the American airline industry they are stealing it from and, if they succeed, we will all pay the price later in the form of higher ticket prices (not to mention we will have much less security and I think that is their deliberate plan). I sincerely hope that our Federal government summons up whatever remains of its' manhood and pursues CRIMINAL charges of racketeering/criminal enterprise against CAIR. Failing that, I think it is time we begin organizing resistance to CAIR ourselves. Maybe a public protest at CAIR's headquarters would be a start. At least, it would show the Moslems that the "infidels" are not scared of them in the least.....

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 13, 2006 9:26 AM

Islam is always disgustingly aggressive. Is always in your face. And most of this bullshit comes from immigrants who just got here. Who have zero roots in America. Who have zero stake in America. America is not their home and doesn't get their allegiance. The so called ummah does. They are the absolutly the most pestiferous immigrants

CAIR is a reasonable representative of Muslim sentiment here. I never hear any Muslim knock the outfit. MUSLIM SUPREMACY is the name of the game. These rotters could care less about USA's national security.

The only care about perceived insults to their phony cult, their false prophet, their phony allah

Posted by: dennisw at December 13, 2006 9:28 AM

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

Ibrahim Hooper will be talking with Chris Core on WMAL in Washington D.C. at 9:30am on this subject.

http://www.wmal.listenlive.com.asp

shall we call him on his B.S?

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 13, 2006 9:30 AM

OK, I think I'm on to something here. Muslims suffer from Planeophobia-severe hatred of airplanes. Their goal is to force people to quit flying by destroying the airlines. 9/11 was the first step-ground the airlines so they go bankrupt. Then we got the Minneapolis Six-proof positive to Muslims that airlines are evil and planes must be stopped at all costs. Now the urging to file all these junk lawsuits to try bankrupting airlines again. Throw in all those plots to bomb planes and as far as I'm concerned it is indeed a terrible sickness in Islam. And it surely must be an illness because as we always hear Muslims are peaceful and would never ever conspire to do anything bad. Maybe Yusuf Islam can give a concert-no, better yet-host a worldwide telethon to find a cure for this dreaded disease that afflicts Muslims. I'm ready to donate to this worthy cause and all infidels should too.

See, we really have compassion for Islam. People should stop calling us meanies already!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 9:42 AM

We need an aggressive legal team to file a Class Action Lawsuit against cair. As taxpayers, we should be reimbursed for the millions of dollars that have been wasted to defend against the frivolous cair sponsored lawsuits. In addition, there should be enough massive punitive damages to bankrupt the organization and remove it from American shores.

Also, cair should be required to pay for all the costs associated with the September 11 attacks and also compensate the families of muslim terror victims around the world.

cair's actions are a slap in the face to Americans and non-muslims. We cannot "ban" them because we are a country that allows freedom of religion and freedom of speech. But we can use their tactics to impede their progress and make it expensive for them to operate.

Any lawyers out there? Does a case like this have merit?

Posted by: KillHankKill at December 13, 2006 10:00 AM

The government should pay for this-give every Muslim a one way ticket to Mecca and not allow them back in. This would be taz money well spent for a change.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 10:07 AM

Americaningermany is right and I think there are many conservative think tanks and groups in the US that could arrange that. They must not get away with this. Eventually they will be exposed to be another violent hate group much like the 'Nation of Islam' years ago.

Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN at December 13, 2006 10:19 AM

When my dad’s father was 16 he joined the cavalry, the Italian cavalry. When I was little I was fascinated with a photo of him seated in full length knee boots, plumed helmet tucked under his left arm, saber grasped in his right hand and wearing a full cuirass. Except for the quality of the photo it could have been taken before Solferino, the battle that led to Italian unification in 1861. The photo was taken one month before he was taken prisoner by the Austrians during WWI. I can’t say that the conditions of my grandfather’s captivity were as bad as Andersonville but I do know when he came to America in 1920 he swore that he would never be hungry again. To that pledge he cultivated a huge vegetable garden long past the time he was able to manage it by himself.

My grandfather embodied the American dream. He believed explicitly in American exceptionalism. I don’t know if he ever read the Declaration of Independence, his English was poor, but he believed without reservation that he was endowed by his Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these were Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. His loyalty to America was total. Two of his brother-in-laws fought in Europe during WWII and his eldest son helped liberate the Philippines yet, according to my family’s tradition, the biggest celebration was not VE-Day of VJ-Day. The biggest celebration was when his paisans hung Mussolini up by a meat hook.

Imagine for a minute if my grandfather's paisans had pulled a stunt like those six rag-head clerics after Pearl Harbor. Or if pro-fascist dagos had been caught plotting terror attacks in support of Mussolini. At a minimum the interment of Italians would have attained the same levels as the interment of Japs. Whops would probably have been decorating lampposts in ever town in the land.

If we want to remain free, if we want to preserve American exceptionalism, if government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth then we as a people must find the courage to acknowledge that those six rag-head clerics are just as much the enemy as al-Qaida and the Taliban scum.

With willful bliss we the people ignore the terrible truth that the Rights of Man cannot be established in terms of Islamic theology. I challenge you to find one Muslim cleric who espouses freedom of conscience for all men and does so publicly, unconditionally and in terms of Islamic theology. The problem with the realm of Islam is not a lack of freedom it is that Islam denies man his God given Rights.

I challenge you to find one Muslim cleric who preaches that Muslims in America have a loyalty to America. You cannot find one because Islam explicitly denies the legitimize of secular polities that do not submit to the god of their pedophile prophet.

What do we do? We take the battle to the enemy with the brutal ferocity necessary if we are to survive much less remain free. I am not calling for necktie parties, nor would I ever condone necktie parties, but if Muslims will not embrace our founding principles of individual freedom then they must be asked or forced to leave. This will require that we as people forsake the false gods of political correctness.

What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?

Buonn Natale!

Posted by: Ralph127 at December 13, 2006 10:24 AM

The Hypocrites @ C.A.I.R. will demanding their right to do this in the airport next?:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6175893.stm

Airlines should hold a shared data base holding as much personal information as possible of any people making "CAIR" complaints.

Posted by: kasper1062 at December 13, 2006 10:40 AM

Ralph 127,

An excellent post! Your grandfather sounds like a great American! I wish more immigrants today had his good attitude. :)

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 13, 2006 10:46 AM

I've read the Koran/Hadith/Sharia in English, and I couldn't find any verses that otherwise would define what happiness or love is. I don't think Islam has the same concept of happiness or love as that of secular western societies which tend to value romantic love and individual liberty as happiness. I wonder, if the Muslim clerics, or any Muslim man for that matter, had a healthy romantic relationship with a woman, and that they are free to search for their own happiness, then perhaps they wouldn't be full of so much hatred in their hearts. It's a bit cheesy statement but I think it's true!

Posted by: Rafa at December 13, 2006 10:46 AM

This is an obvious plot. But it is not a plan. It is far too transparent to be a plan. The plotters plotted to no real benefit, because any reasonable person can see right through it. CAIR's suggestion to 'flying muslims', is a slap in the face to America, and the west in general. CAIR may have shot themselves in the foot with that one...the actions of those Imams could be taken as acts of terrorism...they knew they were terrorising the other passengers with their behaviors...terrorism does not always have to be physical violence...mental violence actually works better, and you dont have to destroy any useable buildings. Those Imams subjected the passangers and crew to mental violence, and now CAIR is trying to capitolize on it. That is the plot, but they need a better plan...we are on to that one...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 13, 2006 10:47 AM

These Muslims are above it all, they are always right and us infidels, kafirs,non-believers,and every other religions on the planet are all wrong and have no rights to complain because Allah is the only God as far as they are concerned.

These amazing arrogant hypocrites who use our precious freedoms to their advantage wherever, and whenever they can.

Watching C-span yesterday was another example of the arrogant deception (taquiya) practiced by the Syrian Ambassador as he openly bashed President Bush saying that Syria could have always helped stabilize Iraq after Saddam was eliminated. What utter, and total nonsence delivered to the American dhimmis' that will buy into it hook,line, and sinker no doubt. Never mind that they are a weak state controlled by Iran who supports Hizbollah and both Iran, and Syria send insurgents to attack Iraqis's as well as American coalition troops by proxy as well as directly.

Now the people who brought us all this inconvenience of security on airlines after 9-11 that cost us Americans Billions of dollars are now trying to turn around and demand almost special rights for themselves as they fly off to a land where only they have rights and no one else.

Please airlines stand up against these creeps and hold them to all rational, and reasonable concerns that commonsence security provisions call for by the TSA and that every day common folks have to put up with as well.

Posted by: Mackie at December 13, 2006 10:59 AM

Well, hmmm, two can play at this game. All the U.S. Airlines suddenly end flights to Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries...citing security risks...all during the pilgrimage period. Then they can take flights on European carriers and manipulate them.

Posted by: Abby at December 13, 2006 11:38 AM

They are proving time and again that they don't have one ounce of compassion or understanding about the concerns of Air travellers post 911.

I'm convinced that no matter how big the threat gets they will still think they have a right to flaunt their " Allahu Ackbars" in our faces, in airports.

This speaks volumes about how they really feel/care about the West.

Compassion does not exist in ISLAM. the proof is in the Airports.

I mean it's ridiculous enough that we waste time and resources NOT profiling , cause that's un American etc... so we have 75 yr old grandmothers and small children taking their shoes off at security instead of profiling the right kind of people ,Arabs and MUSLIMS . Further proof that we are picking on Islam? (sarcasm).

By subjecting everyone Equally to security at airports we have PROVEN that we do not pick on Muslims and treat them as equals , but they will not understand that Shouting Fire in a theatre
(= Allahu Aackbar!! in airports )
is unfair and inconsiderate to us.

Why does that not suprise me?

They are Not our friends and they only want to spin it so we look racist , intolerant and they hope that will weaken us. well you can only push people so far.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 11:47 AM

this would appear to be nothing more than scam perverting laws that were written in large part for minorities and disabled by the Council on American Islamic relations, as a disabled person this makes me very angry that they would have the gall to misuse the law in this way and attempt to extort protection money a.k.a.jizha out of infidel companies since in the USA sharia law is not the law of the land that would let them do this legally sothey are perverting laws were put in place to protect people who cant protect themselves

Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 13, 2006 11:57 AM

Here's a possible scenario:

At some future date CAIR will announce their toll free "discrimination report" telephone number logged, say, over 100,00 telephone calls during the haj time frame. Gullible news journos will accept that figure as a "proven fact" and let it go unchallenged even though the truth is the 100,000 telephones so received were in fact prank and crank phone calls made by infidels having a little bit of fun at CAIR's expense...

Another possible scenario:

CAIR complains that they had to shut down their toll free "discrimination report" hot line because it was being abused by the infidel calling in with "islamophobic" threats, pranks and crank phone calls...

Either way CAIR will try to claim a victory of sorts through a MSM that does not question CAIR's underlying agenda.

Posted by: omvi at December 13, 2006 12:02 PM

"The government should pay for this-give every Muslim a one way ticket to Mecca and not allow them back in. This would be taz money well spent for a change."

"Well, hmmm, two can play at this game. All the U.S. Airlines suddenly end flights to Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries...citing security risks...all during the pilgrimage period. Then they can take flights on European carriers and manipulate them."

Right on!!! I have two questions, though. Non-Muslims cannot enter Mecca. What do infidel pilots and crew do after they touch down, or do the American airlines that fly to Mecca have enough Muslim personnel to dedicate to this run? Are only men allowed to be part of the service crew or must women cover their hair so as not to offend the hajj-bound? Thanks.

Posted by: PMK at December 13, 2006 12:10 PM

suspending flights to the middle East is a capital idea!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 12:13 PM

suspending flights to the middle East is a capital idea!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 12:13 PM

No! Suspending flights FROM the Middle East is a far better idea.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 12:18 PM

Mackie,
I also saw the Syrian ambassador. He appears frequently on the morning show and is a good guest because he is so glib.

If you want crazy, you should see booktv on C-SPAN2. They did an hour of Robert promoting his new book and taking questions from his audience, followed by ninety minutes of Karen Armstrong and HER book, telling us how wonderful Mohammad was and how we are all so wrong about Islam. Apparently Mohammad never said any of the things we attribute to him. There is no compulsion in religion, so Muslims would never force convert anyone, etc. I listened because I look forward to the Q&A which follows such lectures, but her audience had to write their questions down on cards and the moderator chose which ones to ask. Needless to say, there was nothing but love and praise from the audience.

Posted by: PMK at December 13, 2006 12:18 PM

To the Middle east , From the Middle east ......works for me. and while we are at it let's stop Immigration to the Wset from Islamic nations too. It's not their RIGHT to come here and kill us or to disrespect our customs, and laws. Oh wait , according to the Qu'ran, it is. lol

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 13, 2006 12:31 PM

Beside the efforts from American mass media in swaying the public opinion in favor of the six imams, the stupid people flock to side with the media; therefore, the American public is as much to be blamed for all American failed domestic and foreign policies.

It’s our American way to hamstring ourselves with non-sense laws in fighting against our enemies. America is so rich that it has become out of touch. When Reagan was president, the congress and the senate hated him. When Lincoln was president, he did what’s good for America, was hate and murdered. When our soldiers succeeded in rounding up the Vietcong, they were prevented from going after the enemy, who retreated into Cambodia, because of the laws impost by the US congress. Similarly, today our soldiers are prohibited from chasing after the Talabans, who, after suffering heavy loses, take refuge behind Pakistan border. Our soldiers are ordered to fight, but are not allowed to kill a run away terrorist on first shot in urban Baqdad. The pistol given a soldier is only an M2, a lousy gun, to limit damages. America and its people are too self-righteous because we loved to be well liked internationally.

A nation’s failure is its people’s failure. Dumb population elect dumb leaders. America is run by people’s power. The people decided and failed, then whine and blame.

Who do you think have elected, Joseph Biden, , Dick Durbin, Edward Kenedy, Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, and the super dumb Nancy Polosi?

And above all: Keith Mohammad Ellison?

THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: ssa at December 13, 2006 12:39 PM

Off topic:

Tech fired for killing camel at airport

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 13, 2006 12:42 PM

I can imagine two of the largest carriers in the US being ALL TOO EAGER to comply with CAIRS demands, uhhh...errr...,"resonable requests."

After all, they are "service businesses" and if this is what "their customers" demand, well then ... female flight personnel don the burka and the veil when entering Saudi airspace; conceal "offensive religious" jewelry and so on.

Allah in the name of prophet$.

Posted by: witness at December 13, 2006 12:46 PM

"Given the increase in the number of complaints CAIR has received alleging airport profiling of American Muslims, we believe it is important that all those taking part in this year's hajj be aware of their legal and civil rights," said Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR spokesman.

Don't worry Iblis, help is on the way. It's called The Pelosi Plan. The complaints of profiling will drop to zero in no time.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 13, 2006 1:19 PM

Man, I think AIG is onto something...
Think about it. An airline that serves nothing but Muslims.
I want to start that airline. I could buy up some cheesey airline like airTrans or something. Joint venture with Emirates, even.
Positives for Muslims:
*We could have waitresses that not only brought your food, but you could beat them senseless.
*We could have Jihad specials. If you acually prove you snuck and explosive or weapon through security, we give you a free flight. (You would have to surrender the item, tho)
*Only muslims would be on plane (infidel-free travel)
*Special 'Jihad bombing exit' on fligts into Gaza or Lebanon that would allow you to jump out of the aircraft, possibly landing on an infidel and killing him (and you)
*We would have separate Sunni and Shiite sections, separated by thin plastic sheet.
*We provide free stones for throwing at opposing sect.

Negatives for Muslims:
*Our pilots are Jewish, with escape hatches
*We show "Yentl" over and over on long overseas trips. That is enough to make an infidel convert; think how rabid a muslim would be for jihad after that. The 'Jihad Exit' would be have a line like Space Mountain.
*The FBI would be all over your name.
*Our food may have pork biproducts.
*We land 5 times a day for prayer. More if you cross the date line.
*Everything on the plane is for lefties.

Posted by: Black Dog at December 13, 2006 1:32 PM

I think it';s time to start launching counter suits alleging CAIR is trying to strongarm the law and force us all to accept an assault on our right to protection! http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop at December 13, 2006 1:33 PM

So if the infidels are giving you the stink eye, just dial 1-(800)- 911 IMAM. Operators in burquas are standing by.

Posted by: kevin at December 13, 2006 2:16 PM

"A guide issued by CAIR advises Muslims that "as an airline passenger, you are entitled to courteous, respectful and non-stigmatizing treatment by airline and security personnel."

"You have the right to complain about treatment that you believe is discriminatory," the guide says.

Those treated in a discriminatory manner are advised by CAIR to "ask for the names and ID numbers of all persons involved in the incident. Be sure to write this information down."

I hope CAIR will include this bit of wisdom when advising Muslims on their travel rights:

As an airline passenger, you are abliged to be courteous, respectful and non-threatening to other passengers. Your behavior should reflect the exact same behaviour you expect from airline and security personnel.
Other airline passengers have every right to complain to security personnel should you behave in any way that appears threatening to their safety or the safety of the airline.
Should you or fellow Muslim travelers act in any manner not consistent with courteous and non-threatening behavior, all persons involved in an incident should be removed from the plane, and investigated by security personnel.
Remember always that years of terrorism commited by our fellow Muslims has instilled a perfectly rational fear of Muslims in the minds of non-Muslim travelers. You have a special obligation not to act in a manner that would fan those fears or raise suspicions that might create anxiety among other passengers.
Remember that Americans are an open, tolerant and just people, and are not likely to act against anyone without just cause.

Posted by: rational at December 13, 2006 4:08 PM

-800/784-7526

perhaps we should call ibraham hooper everytime we see a muslim walking down the street in baggy clothes and head gear , or driving down the street using a cell phone and complain that we are being harrassed and threatened by muslim terrorist!
help us ibraham help us!

I wonder if ibrahim knows that allah states any muslim who dwells among the kafir has wronged its soul and will be dragged to hell when it dies!

>>>SURAH 4;97-98,When the angels of death cause those people to die who have wronged their souls,( REMAINING AMONG THE DISBELIEVERS) they ask: "What was your condition?" They reply: "We were oppressed in the earth."the angels say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate and go somewhere else?" Hell will be their abode and it is a very evil refuge![97] However, those helpless men, women and children who have neither the means to migrate nor strength to escape,[98]

save your soul ibraham, run ibraham runnnnn!

Posted by: Thndrbang at December 13, 2006 7:01 PM

Are you feeling oppressed dwelling among the kafir ibrahim?
Did allah not make the earth spacious enough for you to migrate to some muslim land where you can be free to marry 6 year old children and beat your women in public if you choose!
allah states in the qu'ran if the kafir you dwell among oppresses you and keeps you from practicing the rights of your religion you wrong your soul to remain among those kafir and when the angels of death take your soul you will be dragged kicking and screaming to hell! an evil abode!

>>>SURAH 4;97-98,When the angels of death cause those people to die who have wronged their souls,( REMAINING AMONG THE
DISBELIEVERS) they ask: "What was your condition?" They reply: "We were oppressed in the earth."the angels say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate and go somewhere else?" Hell will be their abode and it is a very evil refuge![97] However, those helpless men, women and children who have neither the means to migrate nor strength to escape,[98]

Perhaps the muslims best stop complaining about being oppressed in the land of the kafir!

Posted by: Thndrbang at December 13, 2006 7:09 PM

Hooper and the rest of his cronies from CAIR should all move to saudi arabia. They could make the Hadj every year without getting on an airline.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 13, 2006 7:49 PM

How about a boycott of whatever airline we feel is the most dhimmified; by the same token we could pick a specific day of the month and boycott all the airlines. Maybe that would get their attention. It would be a start. I am all for getting organized and will put my signature to any suit against organizations such as c.a i.r. I have only flown once since 9/11 and even then I let the airlines know that if I spotted any suspicious looking person(s)I would be getting off the plane.

Posted by: dms at December 13, 2006 7:52 PM

"What are you, some kind of a kafirophobe?" - R. Spencer
-------

Aren't muslims like, required to hate non-muslims for the sake of allah? Well so says Anjem Choudary.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 13, 2006 9:53 PM

Hi American,

Well, believe it or not, Chris Core actually did call Ibrahim on his B.S. I almost fell out of my chair. Chris Core is a sort of mealy mouthed, wishy-washy radio personality who I listen to when I'm in the D.C. area. He is such a fence sitter that he sometimes makes my blood boil. But not today! He didn't let the whining Ibrahim get away with anything. It was beautiful!!

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 13, 2006 9:53 PM

I'm for calling that hotline number and finding out where I can send them a slab of rancid bacon.

Either that, or maybe I'll complain about how they threatend the Pope for exercising his free speech.

There is no end to the trouble these Islamostinkers will make; so much for our CIVIL RIGHTS.

In order to appear politically sensitive, the TSA will strip search grandma. Don't call the terrorists WHO THEY ARE. Make grandma take off her shoes, submit to a cavity search and enjoy being treated like a terrorist threat. Meanwhile, a smirking good Muslim who loves Allah to death boards the plane with you in immunity because the TSA is too intimidated to screen him properly!

Snakes on a plane...and we're supposed to call them religious clerics.

Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at December 13, 2006 9:54 PM

perhaps the muslims in america better stop complaining about being oppressed in the land of the kafir!
allah states muslims who die while living among the kafir will be dragged to hell!

>>>SURAH 4;97-98,When the angels of death cause those people to die who have wronged their souls,( REMAINING AMONG THE DISBELIEVERS) they ask: "What was your condition?" They reply: "We were oppressed in the earth."the angels say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate and go somewhere else?" Hell will be their abode and it is a very evil refuge![97]
>>>surah 4}_98, However, those helpless men, women and children who have neither the means to migrate nor strength to escape,[98]

tafsir surah 4}_97:
Tafsir al-Jalalayn

Recite Verse
Open in new window
Go to quran page
{ إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ تَوَفَّاهُمُ ٱلْمَلاۤئِكَةُ ظَالِمِيۤ أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُواْ فِيمَ كُنتُمْ قَالُواْ كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِي ٱلأَرْضِ قَالْوۤاْ أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ ٱللَّهِ وَاسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُواْ فِيهَا فَأُوْلَـٰئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ وَسَآءَتْ مَصِيراً }

The following was revealed regarding a group of people who submitted to Islam but did not emigrate and were then slain in the battle of Badr alongside the disbelievers: And those whom the angels take [in death], while they are wronging their souls, having remained among the disbelievers and neglected to emigrate, the angels will say, to them in rebuke: 'What was your predicament?', in other words, 'in what circumstances were you with regard to your religion'. They will say, giving excuses, 'We were oppressed, unable to establish religion, in the land', the land of Mecca. The angels will say, to them in rebuke: 'But was not God's earth spacious that you might have emigrated therein?', from the land of unbelief to another land, as others did? God, exalted be He, says: as for such, their abode shall be Hell - an evil journey's end, it is!

Tafsir al-Jalalayn:surah 4}_98

Recite Verse
Open in new window
Go to quran page
{ إِلاَّ ٱلْمُسْتَضْعَفِينَ مِنَ ٱلرِّجَالِ وَٱلنِّسَآءِ وَٱلْوِلْدَانِ لاَ يَسْتَطِيعُونَ حِيلَةً وَلاَ يَهْتَدُونَ سَبِيلاً }

Except the oppressed among the men, women, and children who are unable to devise a plan, having no strength to emigrate and no substance, and are not guided to a way, a means [of going] to the land of emigration.

You best be for packing your bags mr hooper!allah aint gonna be pleased with your oppression among the kafir!

Posted by: Thndrbang at December 13, 2006 10:13 PM

Seriously, dont these muslims read the garbage in these unholy books!
Must we kafir teach the muslim everything they need to know about their satanic cult of islam!

Here is an interesting one, Muslims world wide, including the muslims in america are upset because america retaliated agaist muslims for the 9/11/2001 terrorist attack that killed over 3000 innocent unarmed american men women and children!

Allah states in the qu'ran the recompense for an injury is an equal and proportionate injury.
Allah also states those who refuse to judge by allahs laws are the wrongdoers!
According to allah the recompense for muslims attacking and murdering innocent unarmed american men women and children is for america to retaliate and kill innocent unarmed muslim men women and children!
An equal and proportionate injury!

>>>SURAH {42}_40-41,,,The recompense for an injury is an injury proportionate to it; but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation he shall be rewarded by Allah; He does not like the wrongdoers.[40] """Those who avenge themselves when wronged cannot be blamed."""[41]

>>>Tafsir al-Jalalayn: surah 42}_40-41

For the requital of an evil deed is an evil deed like it: the latter is [also] referred to as 'an evil deed' because in [outward] form it resembles the former; this is evident in what concerns retaliation for wounds. Some [scholars] say that even if another were to say, 'May God disgrace you!', then one should respond [equally] with, 'May God disgrace you!'. But whoever pardons, his wrongdoer, and reconciles, the amity between himself and the one pardoned, his reward will be with God, that is to say, God will give him his reward without doubt. Truly He does not like wrongdoers, that is, those who initiate acts of wrongdoing and so merit His punishment.

>>>SURAH {5}_45,,We ordained in Torah for them: "A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth and for a wound an equal retaliation." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity it will be an act of atonement for him; """Those who do not judge by the Law which Allah has revealed, they are the wrongdoers."""[45]

>>>Tafsir al-Jalalayn : surah {5}_45

And therein, in the Torah, We prescribed, We made obligatory, for them that a life, be slain in return, for a life, if it has slain one; and an eye, should be gouged out, for an eye, and a nose, is to be cut off, for a nose, and an ear, is to be amputated, for an ear, and a tooth, should be pulled out, for a tooth (a variant reading has the last four [nouns] in the nominative); and for wounds (read wa'l-jurūhu or wa'l-jurūha) retaliation', that is, the person is entitled to retaliate if this is feasible, as in the case of a hand or a leg; but in cases where one is not able to [retaliate], this is left to arbitration. Although this stipulation was prescribed for them, it is established in our Law; but whoever forgoes it, that is, retaliation, out of charity, able to restrain himself, then that shall be an expiation for him, of what he has done [of other sins]. Whoever does not judges according to what God has revealed, in the matter of retaliation and otherwise, those are the evildoers.

>>> Muslims, if you dont want your innocent muslim men women and children killed, dont kill those of the nonmuslims!
It is really quite simple in its simplicity!

Allah commands the nonmuslim to retaliate in like kind with an equal and proportionate injury for whatever crime you commit against the nonmuslims! Why allah even states we would be the "wrongdoers" if we failed to act by allahs laws!

Are you reading Mr Hooper?
Are you learning Mr. Hooper?

Posted by: Thndrbang at December 13, 2006 11:00 PM

Thndrbang--great post. Keep this point out front--because it is the first time I've seen it and you make a great point.

Now--as for CAIR--I say to us JWers

KNOW THY ENEMY!!!
Read (or save for reference)--Pipes archive on these scums.

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394

These guys need to be shut down.

Posted by: BB at December 13, 2006 11:23 PM

Ralph127

Excellent post. Your grandfather demonstrated the utmost example of contributing to mankind. I have the utmost respect and admiration for him. Also, Ralph127, be proud of your heritage.

Posted by: THSIMJ at December 14, 2006 12:17 AM

A story that happened 8 years ago:

A friend of mine working for an international airline told us whenever they took pilgrims to Mekka, the toilets in the aircraft were full with stones. Why is that?

I haven't met him for years but it's probably still the same.

Posted by: Arnie at December 14, 2006 12:22 AM

Thndrbang--great post. Keep this point out front--because it is the first time I've seen it and you make a great point.
Posted by: BB

Thankyou BB

You are correct, ive never seen this posted anywhere before by anyone especially by ibrahim hooper of C.A.I.R or any of the so called moderate muslim organizations around the world.

Nor have i seen it from any of the muslim terrorist clerics calling for muslims to attack rob, rape, terrorize, subdue, enslave, and slaughter the nonmuslims.

What i do see is muslims upset that the Christians dont follow the teachings of Jesus and "turn the other cheek" when the muslims attack and slaughter the christians.However; the muslims are quick to inform the christians that through muhammad, allah "abrogated" all the teachings of Jesus, that muhammad was the final prophet and all of his allah inspired instructions are for "all" men! According to the muslim this makes Jesus' teaching of "turn the other cheek" obsolete!

Now the fact that we know allah is an imposter and muhammad is the messenger of satan is irrelevant.The fact that these ayats are in the qu'ran and "all" men are to judge by the laws of allah. according to muhammad and allah "we" would be wrongdoers if we "failed" to repay an injury inflicted upon us by muslims with an equal and proportionate injury!
So then, why is it we have never seen these ayats posted anywhere in the past? Could it be the fear the terrorist muslim clerics have that if their followers, the jihadis knew that allah prescribes an equal and proportionate injury inflicted on them and their families they may think 5 or 9 times before committing such terrorist acts against the nonmuslims?

I do believe you are correct, these ayahs should be kept out in the front where every muslim can read them! They should be printed out and dropped off at every mosque in america. They should be printed out and dropped by planes and left to cover the sands of the middle east.
There should be no place a muslim can walk without walking on these holy words of their allah and his messenger muhammad!

Our politicians should broadcast throughout the international news media, "muslims,from this time forward we will repay any injury inflicted upon the nonmuslim by the muslim ummah with an eqaul and proportionate injury as commanded by allah!"

I suggest you and everyone that reads these ayahs print them out and drop them at your nearest mosque. post them at every shopping center and hospital and airport etc.etc.

>>>Allah states in the qu'ran the recompense for an injury is an equal and proportionate injury.
Allah also states those who refuse to judge by allahs laws are the wrongdoers!
According to allah the recompense for muslims attacking and murdering innocent unarmed american men women and children is for america to retaliate and kill innocent unarmed muslim men women and children!
An equal and proportionate injury!

>>>SURAH {42}_40-41,,,The recompense for an injury is an injury proportionate to it; but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation he shall be rewarded by Allah; He does not like the wrongdoers.[40] """Those who avenge themselves when wronged cannot be blamed."""[41]

>>>Tafsir al-Jalalayn: surah 42}_40-41

For the requital of an evil deed is an evil deed like it: the latter is [also] referred to as 'an evil deed' because in [outward] form it resembles the former; this is evident in what concerns retaliation for wounds. Some [scholars] say that even if another were to say, 'May God disgrace you!', then one should respond [equally] with, 'May God disgrace you!'. But whoever pardons, his wrongdoer, and reconciles, the amity between himself and the one pardoned, his reward will be with God, that is to say, God will give him his reward without doubt. Truly He does not like wrongdoers, that is, those who initiate acts of wrongdoing and so merit His punishment.

>>>SURAH {5}_45,,We ordained in Torah for them: "A life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth and for a wound an equal retaliation." But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity it will be an act of atonement for him; """Those who do not judge by the Law which Allah has revealed, they are the wrongdoers."""[45]

>>>Tafsir al-Jalalayn : surah {5}_45

And therein, in the Torah, We prescribed, We made obligatory, for them that a life, be slain in return, for a life, if it has slain one; and an eye, should be gouged out, for an eye, and a nose, is to be cut off, for a nose, and an ear, is to be amputated, for an ear, and a tooth, should be pulled out, for a tooth (a variant reading has the last four [nouns] in the nominative); and for wounds (read wa'l-jurūhu or wa'l-jurūha) retaliation', that is, the person is entitled to retaliate if this is feasible, as in the case of a hand or a leg; but in cases where one is not able to [retaliate], this is left to arbitration. Although this stipulation was prescribed for them, it is established in our Law; but whoever forgoes it, that is, retaliation, out of charity, able to restrain himself, then that shall be an expiation for him, of what he has done [of other sins]. Whoever does not judges according to what God has revealed, in the matter of retaliation and otherwise, those are the evildoers.

>>> Muslims, if you dont want your innocent muslim men women and children killed, dont kill those of the nonmuslims!
It is really quite simple in its simplicity!

allah commands the nonmuslim to retaliate in like kind with an equal and proportionate injury for whatever crime you commit against the nonmuslims!
allah even states we would be the "wrongdoers" if we failed to act by allahs laws!

Posted by: Thndrbang at December 14, 2006 4:09 AM

Hi American,

I don't know if you can go back and listen to any shows from archives. They don't post them on the website. But I bet you could e-mail these guys and maybe they could send you a link.

http://www.wmal.com/home.asp

You are right about Ibrahim. He always sounds kind of stupid and bitches and moans a lot whenver he's talking. And then when the host makes a point he reverts to calling everyone who doesn't agree with him a racist. Repeat after me: ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 14, 2006 9:16 PM