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A wider war on the Horn of Africa appears to be imminent. It seems apparent to Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf that "peace talks" would, at this point, amount to negotiations with al Qaeda and its foreign fighters rather than fellow Somalis. Also, while those talks would provide a public-relations outlet for the jihadists to feign an interest in peace and mutual respect, the substance of the meetings would ultimately involve their dictating terms of surrender to the Baidoa government.
"Somali leader: Door to peace talks shut," by Anthony Mitchell for Associated Press:
BAIDOA, Somalia - Somalia's president said Friday that peace talks with the country's Islamic movement are no longer an option because the group's leaders have declared war on his government.
"They are the ones who effectively closed the door to peace talks and they are the ones who are waging the war," Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf told The Associated Press from his office in Baidoa.
Tension has been mounting in recent weeks between Somalia's government, which has Western and U.N. recognition but little authority on the ground, and the Council of Islamic Courts, which controls most of southern Somalia. The Islamists have vowed to launch a holy war starting Tuesday unless Ethiopian troops supporting the government leave Somalia.
"The fighting can happen at any time now," Yusuf said, adding that his administration will not be the first to attack.
The Islamic courts have been steadily gaining power since June, raising concerns about an emerging Taliban-style regime. The United States accuses the group of having ties to al-Qaida, which it denies.
"Al-Qaida is opening up shop in Somalia," Yusuf warned. "This is a new chapter and part of the terror group's plan to wage war against the West."
Earlier Friday, Islamic leaders in the capital, Mogadishu, distributed sermons about holy war to be read at the city's mosques during prayers — the latest attempt to galvanize the nation as it slides toward war.
"The sermon concerns the holy war on Ethiopian troops inside Somalia," Islamic official Sheik Hussein Abdullahi Barre told the AP. He added, "What we want is that Friday's sermon should be concerned about jihad."
Posted by Marisol at December 15, 2006 2:10 PM
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I feel for the Somalis. We should not stand by and allow this to happen.
If the West lets that region fall to Islamisation then we will lose face .
It's called Naked Agression and there was a time when that was unacceptable.
We can't allow them to take over Somalia. The message it will send will be far more damaging. It will embolden Jihadis all over the world.
Are you listening UK and France?
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at December 15, 2006 2:20 PM
Anyone who is interested in why the Jihadis chose Somalia in which to assert themselves should look into Naji's Management of Barbarism, a strategy document from one of the leading lights of Jihad. You can get the PDF here:
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/Management_of_Savagery.pdf
Synopsis is here:
http://jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=100
I hope the leaders of western nations know to support Ethiopia and the non-kook Somali gonvernment against these Jihadists. If not, Somalia will fall under the black flag of Sharia, and the rest of the horn of Africa will be threatened.
Posted by: Quijybo at December 15, 2006 2:20 PM
"A wider war on the Horn of Africa appears to be imminent."
If so, I hope its effects will help to wake up my Leftist friend who is currently ministering, as a Greek Orthodox, to a children's school in nearby Uganda. He thinks there is no problem of Islam, and that most world problems are caused by the evil USA. He is an American citizen, of mostly Anglo-Saxon heritage, born in Utah of Catholic parents, converted to Greek Orthodoxy in his 20s, and an inveterate Leftist who, for example, thinks the horrors in the Sudan are mostly caused by Western ineptness and evil.
That said, a wider war on the Horn of Africa will likely do nothing to disturb the paradigm of his Leftist brain -- even if a Muslim army raids his Christian school in Uganda and mass-murders blacks left and right with cries of "Allahu Akbar!" before his eyes, my friend will probably continue to blame the West and think Islam itself and the vast majority of Muslims are harmless.
at December 15, 2006 2:21 PM
"Earlier Friday, Islamic leaders in the capital, Mogadishu, distributed sermons about holy war to be read at the city's mosques during prayers — the latest attempt to galvanize the nation as it slides toward war".
Naturally-can't have a Friday sermon without talk of war and violence and bloodshed and how wonderful these things are. After all, Illah requires regular meals of blood to keep on living.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 15, 2006 2:22 PM
Somalia is just another islamofascist dunghole. Al Queda has always been there. The people want al queda there. You would think that with all the famines, persecutions and barbarity that is there that the people would want change. They prefer the status quo of misery.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 15, 2006 2:30 PM
Another sign that world war is on the near horizon. And again, the so called leaders of Europe and the U.S. keep hoping that appeasment will quell the violence.
It's the 1930's all over again.
Posted by: walterc at December 15, 2006 2:30 PM
this is a great Liberal Hollywood cause, where are the actors? l mean liberals are supposed to want to help oopressed people? oh l forgot, only help oppressed people when they think the oppressors are Western counries ie, US.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 15, 2006 2:33 PM
ROT IN HELL WITH MOHAMMAD!
Nope, you can't reason with people that WANT TO BE MARTYRS.
Nope, you just have to let them have their way!
GOOD RIDDANCE TO ALL THE MUJAHADEEN. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL IN MOHAMMAD!
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Another sign that world war is on the near horizon. And again, the so called leaders of Europe and the U.S. keep hoping that appeasment will quell the violence.
It's the 1930's all over again.
Posted by: walterc
Hmmm, what would unite the American people against this clear and present danger, hmmm.
I don't know, I'm JustaDhimmi... right HUGH
Posted by: JustaDhimmi at December 15, 2006 2:35 PM
That said, a wider war on the Horn of Africa will likely do nothing to disturb the paradigm of his Leftist brain -- even if a Muslim army raids his Christian school in Uganda and mass-murders blacks left and right with cries of "Allahu Akbar!" before his eyes, my friend will probably continue to blame the West and think Islam itself and the vast majority of Muslims are harmless.
Posted by: remote_control at December 15, 2006 02:21 PM
This sounds true only to a point. Once the children are dead, the large knife the Muslims use to saw your friend's head off will most certainly disturb the paradigm of his Leftist brain.
He sounds like a lost cause to me Remote_control, and I mean that figuratively and literally.
at December 15, 2006 2:39 PM
Holy War. Place: Horn of Africa. Time: Starts next Tuesday. Be there or be square.
Posted by: Hugh at December 15, 2006 2:42 PM
I don't know, I'm JustaDhimmi... right HUGH
Posted by: JustaDhimmi at December 15, 2006 02:35 PM
Stop baiting Hugh, JustaDhimmi. He correctly adjusted your obfuscating conspiricist thinking this morning.
Don't let your self-embarrasment of voting for Bush twice adversely affect your ideological contribution to The Watch. I personally know you are not a Dhimmi. Just let it go.
Memo to Hugh,
Ignore JustaDhimmi, he's having a rough day. I should know. I'm sitting 12-feet from him IRL.
Posted by: awake at December 15, 2006 2:49 PM
awake, I agree my friend is a lost cause.
Posted by: remote_control at December 15, 2006 3:02 PM
awake, I agree my friend is a lost cause.
Posted by: remote_control at December 15, 2006 03:02 PM
Then, I offer my condolences, in advance. I mean that sincerely. We who are aware of the truth of Islam are a minority in the non-Muslim world.
Call it opportunity, luck or whatever. I wasn't always awake, and was asleep just a short time ago. I consider myself blessed now, but I realize that not everyone is as fortunate as I am.
at December 15, 2006 3:09 PM
Islamic leaders in the capital, Mogadishu, distributed sermons about holy war to be read at the city's mosques during prayers
Christian leaders distributed sermons about peace and salvation.
I think I see a difference.
Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 15, 2006 3:14 PM
A Friday sermon without blood and gore is like a Friday without sunshine.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 15, 2006 3:23 PM
of course peace is not an option...
he a freakin'murderous fool.
these Muslims have a tendency to want to brain wash you...there frightening in that sense but i wont shiver in my boots...and what the H*** is up with Abraham Hooper (i know it is Ibrahim so that is why i purposely spelt it abraham)...why is it that all these americans who revert/convert start to act like Arabs...? I was a convert to islam until it started getting too weird like muslim business men offering me jobs or wives....too strange for this los angeleno...
at December 15, 2006 3:27 PM
"No longer an option?"
How about, "was never an option."
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 15, 2006 3:34 PM
I was a convert to islam until it started getting too weird like muslim business men offering me jobs or wives....too strange for this los angeleno...
Posted by: jihadlove at December 15, 2006 03:27 PM
Just curious. No need to respond if you feel embarassed, but might I ask what ethnic background you are?
The question has nothing to do with you, but everything to do with these Muslim businessmen.
at December 15, 2006 3:39 PM
Stop baiting Hugh, JustaDhimmi. He correctly adjusted your obfuscating conspiricist thinking this morning.
Posted by: awake
Now you know thats not true! Ironic was more like it!
Don't let your self-embarrasment of voting for Bush twice adversely affect your ideological contribution to The Watch.
Posted by: awake
Bush was the better candidate BOTH times BECAUSE of how I felt about 9/11! You voted for Gore and Kerry... ROFL
Posted by: JustaDhimmi at December 15, 2006 4:00 PM
jihadlove
please tell us more! What were the jobs like, and what were the wives like? Sounds fascinating!
Hopi Indian? Thought you guys would see through it(Islam) for what it is.
Genuinely interested to know what happened - could turn into a great thread!
Regards
P
at December 15, 2006 4:48 PM
Bush was the better candidate BOTH times BECAUSE of how I felt about 9/11! You voted for Gore and Kerry... ROFL
Posted by: JustaDhimmi at December 15, 2006 04:00 PM
That's a damn lie and you know it. I voted for Bush in 2000. And like I told you many times in 2004, I did not vote FOR Kerry, I voted Against Bush.
There's a difference. God bless our two-party system.......NOT!!
at December 15, 2006 4:54 PM
@hierophant...
i would like to indulge your request but i fear they might identify me if i did...not that i am certain that they are reading these posts but you never know...
But simply, the jobs were pretty decent paying and were related to lucrative markets...
and as far as a wife i actually never got very far on that aspect as i already have a female in my life...
i thought it was pretty strange overall and i was tempted with the jobs but than i realized that they would be watching me pretty much 24/7 and I and my fiance both did not like that idea especially since i did not really feel qualified for the positions but they seemed to think otherwise...
Posted by: jihadlove at December 15, 2006 5:01 PM
jihadlove
thank you for your comments. I'm an Englishman that was brought up an Anglican - we are a bit like your Episcopalians only we don't condone homosexuality!
Only joking
What interests me is a Hopi being seduced by the Ramadamadingdongs! Call me naive I thought you guys were spiritual like the Sikhs and the Hindus
I don't think they are reading these posts!
Come on spill the beans!
at December 15, 2006 6:15 PM
A few questions...
1. Does the Somali government have the strength to repel the terrorists and effectively fight back?
2. Why hasn't the UN intervened?
3. Has anyone taken CAIR to task for calling this a positive change?
Posted by: eclectic infidel at December 15, 2006 7:55 PM
Posted by: eclectic infidel
Why hasn't the UN intervened ?
U.N. seeks $237 mln for Somali flood, conflict victims
Thu 14 Dec 2006 15:41:54 GMT
NAIROBI, Dec 14 (Reuters) - The United Nations appealed on Thursday for $237 million to help hundreds of thousands of Somalis, including victims of recent floods and a looming war between the government and an Islamist movement.
Already one of the world's poorest nations, the Horn of Africa country has been further buffeted this year by fighting after Islamists took over Mogadishu and then by heavy rainfall that has killed scores in floods.
An estimated 1.4 million people lack proper food, while another 400,000 have been displaced, U.N. officials said.
Posted by: shiva at December 15, 2006 9:28 PM
An estimated 1.4 million people lack proper food, while another 400,000 have been displaced, U.N.
And the muslims go to war
Posted by: shiva at December 15, 2006 9:33 PM
remote_control said
I agree my friend is a lost cause
It's not necessary that every single person realize the danger of jihad. Just a majority, or even a well-organized minority, is all that is needed. We can afford a few lost causes, and it's no reason to end an otherwise good friendship.
Posted by: special_guest at December 15, 2006 9:50 PM
From the article
Somalia's president said Friday that peace talks with the country's Islamic movement are no longer an option because the group's leaders have declared war on his government.
I pray for the day a U.S. President makes the same statement.
Posted by: special_guest at December 15, 2006 9:56 PM
from the article:
Somalia's president said Friday that peace talks with the country's Islamic movement are no longer an option because the group's leaders have declared war on his government.
If somolias' president had been reading "jw" he would have known peace negotians were never an option. the islamist use peace talks only as a tool to put off the jihad long enough for the jihadis to build their strength.
The time to hit the terrorist scum is when they come offering you a chance to convert or pay jizya!
Dhimmicrats are you listening?
at December 15, 2006 11:35 PM
That said, a wider war on the Horn of Africa will likely do nothing to disturb the paradigm of his Leftist brain -- even if a Muslim army raids his Christian school in Uganda and mass-murders blacks left and right with cries of "Allahu Akbar!" before his eyes, my friend will probably continue to blame the West and think Islam itself and the vast majority of Muslims are harmless.
Posted by: remote_control at December 15, 2006 02:21 PM
Actually, the left sees the march of Islam as a potential means of cleansing the world of Christianity which it sees (wrongfully) as a greater threat to human liberty and secular values than Islam due to the wealth and demographic numbers of Christianity. They (many at least) would rather see Islam violently sweep Africa than see Christianity established on the continent. As an unrepentant secularist (though libertarian not leftist type), I once saw Islam as a potential counter weight to Christianity on the global theater. Even after 9-11 I was ready to see extremism as an outlier of Islam; a fringe belief that bears no resemblance to Islam.
It is only after years of watching the current events in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, and seeing how the majority of Islam, the Muslim leaders and the increasingly far-left media have behaved over the years and after learning some history, listening to former Muslims, seeing how the UN and the world has treated Israel and anyone who is pro-American or critical of Islam... only after all of this have I come to see that secular libertarian values are far safer in a nation that is "overly Christian" than one that is Islamic.
That being said I think that the power of Islam has been overstated. That does not mean that I think it should not be confronted, but that I believe that it CAN be confronted. Just because the west is dieing in the face of global civilization does not mean that Islam is not dieing faster. A little well placed effort will bring it down faster than the USSR. I prescribe music videos, pornography, broadband, anti-censorship software, science textbooks, Bibles, Buddhists and burritos. Declining fertility rates caused by urbanization and prosperity will do the rest.
Posted by: Chuck the Lucky at December 16, 2006 12:02 AM
Oh, and the judicious application for force. I forgot that.
Posted by: Chuck the Lucky at December 16, 2006 12:02 AM
Hollywood actors have been on T.V. spots, asking for aid and money to help those in need, and the U.N. is also having a funding drive. All talk of the people in need, and the "conflicts".
But never, is islam even mentioned. Heard two spots just this afternoon, without a mention of islam. The left leaning media, (and people) should harness the truth about this, and use it to build the rage against islam's jahad , for it will bring more to their cause.
But islam is given a status, privage, and a hidden agenda, never to be raised for the public to see.
And the conflict will continue.
Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at December 16, 2006 12:53 AM
@heirophant...
I unfortunatly was not brought up/raised on the res...as far as observing traditional Hopi/native spirituality and culture, other than traditional corn and squash dishes, my family never was realy much into the traditional aspects. We were all Christians, assembly of god church so i really was not versed in the religion of my ansectors..oh well...
Posted by: jihadlove at December 16, 2006 9:43 AM
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