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I have been saying for some time now that the Flying Imam rage incident was staged to help garner support for anti-profiling legislation. Just before the Flying Imams incident happened I noted that Nancy Pelosi had come out in favor of such legislation, and suggested here and here in late November that a push for such legislation was what was behind the incident. I also spoke about this on the Hannity radio show, where it was hotly denied by the truth-challenged Edina Lekovic, on December 4.
And then two days ago Katherine Kersten posited the same hypothesis in the Star Tribune, leading Allahpundit to post some pointed questions at Hot Air:
Piece this out for me: CAIR allegedly wants to engineer an incident it can sell to the public as evidence of discrimination and get the End Racial Profiling Act pushed through — and for the task it chooses a guy who admits that his mosque used to help out Osama Bin Laden, who’s been accused of raising money for Hamas, and who doubts that 9/11 was carried out by Muslims? And instead of just praying, he and the other five imams resort to hijack-type behavior that’s suspicious enough to spook multiple air marshals and pilots?Doesn’t that actually make things more difficult for their Democratic allies in Congress? I can buy that CAIR would do this to raise their own profile; they probably are that stupid and it’s not like they have anything to lose in terms of reputation at this point. But they’ve got to know that this makes things considerably harder for Pelosi, Conyers, and Feingold in getting the bill passed. Not to mention the fact that grassroots pressure on Bush to veto the bill if it ever comes before him will be tremendous now, thanks in great part to this very incident.
Good questions. However, these facts about Omar Shahin and the other imams have not penetrated the mainstream media -- witness this Washington Post article from a few days ago that quotes indignant Muslims complaining that nobody minds when Christians pray in public, dismisses the questions about the imams' seat assignments and seatbelt extenders, and says nothing at all about the unsavory connections of Omar Shahin. CAIR probably calculated that the media reaction would mostly run along the lines' of MSNBC's Contessa Brewer's comparing the imams to Rosa Parks. Some rightwing bloggers make a fuss? Well, what do you expect from hatemongering Islamophobes?
No one in the mainstream media, after all, has ever -- ever -- asked CAIR about its derivation from the Islamic Association for Palestine, a Hamas group, or about the CAIR officials who have been arrested and convicted on various terror charges. (Why were they hired, if their Islam differed so markedly from that of "moderate" CAIR?) No one in the mainstream media has ever asked Ibrahim Hooper hard questions about his statements about wanting to see the U.S. become an Islamic state sometime in the future. CAIR enjoys a free pass from media, government, and law enforcement. Why would Hooper and Co. think the Flying Imams incident would be any different?
And so far, for the most part it hasn't been. Watch for anti-profiling legislation to pass. Then we can all count how many airplanes will have to come down before it will be repealed.
Posted by Robert at December 16, 2006 2:16 AM
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Allahpundit's questions point to an answer as clear as the nose on his face which he evidently cannot see: the obviousness of the behavior staged in the incident could have been conceivably, and cleverly, calculated precisely to raise the kinds of questions Allahpundit raises -- thereby making it easier to dismiss the theory that the incident was staged.
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at December 16, 2006 3:08 AM
No. Anti profiling legislation will not pass. The Democrats will bloviate about it but won't even make a serious attempt to pass it. The USA has many deficiencies in combating Islamic jihad but this type bill will not get out of Congress
Posted by: dennisw at December 16, 2006 3:10 AM
well at least Glenn Beck on CNN is questioning the reason behind the flying imam incident, and given how CAIR as shown in the past is willing to manufacture incidents for political reasons and given the ties it is alleged that it has to terrorist groups is not surprising that they would wish for legislation that would make it easier for their terrorist buddies to hijack and use aircraft as flying bombs
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 16, 2006 3:18 AM
No one in the mainstream media, after all, has ever -- ever -- asked CAIR about its derivation from the Islamic Association for Palestine, a Hamas group, or about the CAIR officials who have been arrested and convicted on various terror charges
mainstream media fortunately is playing lesser a role as well as print media, notice their decline
the Internet will be increasesingly under attack by those who wish to control information to the masses.
For instance many like myself have sent links, as well as the youtube incident of the flying immans to many others, it does spread like wild fire, even my stupid libeal brother and sister will have new questions in their minds about why these immans behaved the way they did. many people fly do not want to have to face these incidents, and airlines want to have more secure environment. so l am positive that these planned incidents will come out to the public and make it difficult for pro islamist politicians to pass laws that prevent airlines to do their duty to protect their passengers and property.
at December 16, 2006 3:42 AM
I generally like Glenn Beck, but even he has fallen for the "tiny minority of extremists" and "Islam is at heart peaceful" memes. If somebody as dedicated as Beck to getting the truth out can be snookered like that I am truly worried about our chances of defeating the jihadists.
Posted by: aynrandgirl at December 16, 2006 3:48 AM
Glen Beck knows what the deal is with Jihad, with Iran, with Iran's threats to make a nuclear holocaust on Israeli Jews. Glen Beck will be booted off CNN if lays it out the same as Robert Spencer and Hugh do.
No matter, Glen is very useful to the anti Jihad effort
Posted by: dennisw at December 16, 2006 3:59 AM
Of course it was staged in order to get anti-profiling legislation. Isn't that extremely obvious?
Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 16, 2006 4:47 AM
Yet another example of how adroitly our enemies have learned to use our better natures against us. Perhaps this time, given the intense publicity being focused on the incident, it will fail, but the assaults will continue.
There is no way out of this war except to go on the offensive: to officially define Islam as a political ideology hostile to America. Islam must be made unwelcome in these United States, and Muslims already within our borders must be put under the same sort of scrutiny we once applied to suspected Communist agents. Nothing else will suffice.
at December 16, 2006 5:46 AM
I wouldnt be suprised at all if anti profiling legislation were to be passed.
For five years people have been screaming to secure our southern border. What has the Gov. done? Proposed legislation that would guarantee our country is flooded with immigrants. And instead of putting a fence up they are now talking about security cameras instead. And the fact of the matter is this whole idea about securing our southern border was about national security and terrorism not illegal immigration.
Our Gov. seems to be avoiding everything possible to secure our nation. And it would be so easy to do. With the right thinking people in office it would take a couple of weeks and then we could work to put more permanent programs in place.
During WW11 these items woudnt even be a issue.
It would be matter of fact. Could you see during the second world war our Gov. allowing German and Japanese propaganda in this country (CAIR)
And then allowing tens of thousands of Germans and Japanese to immigrate here?
Whats worse yet is the American people going about their lives like nothing is happening. As long as their lives arent disturbed it seems like ordinary citizens are ignoring the problems.
And when things are bad enough to take notice it will probably be to late.
And these do gooder polititions who are so worried about offending (Muslims) arent afraid of offending the rest of us. In order to win any war you have to be totally ruthless. Which our enemy has shown it can do much better than us.
In the second world war we lost two thousand soldiers a week a total of five hundred thousand to win the war and we didnt care about world public opinion or what our enemy said. And we were totaly ruthless against our enemies. If we were to treat this war the same it would be over very quickly with less lose of life in the long run.
Seems like the New World Order is forging ahead as planned.
Posted by: frodnum at December 16, 2006 7:01 AM
I just watched some idiot lawyer on fox news this morning saying the 6 imams need to file a suit against the airlines. He said americans need to understand the muslims religion.
I say bull, im under no obligation to learn anything about muslims or their satanic cult religion, i learned enough on 9/11/2001!
If the muslims make americans nervous screaming allahu akbar in public like the muslim murderers do, then they need to stop doing it! or go the hell back where they come from and they can scream allahu akbar all the hell they want!
at December 16, 2006 8:23 AM
Re: Was the Flying Imam incident staged in order to get anti-profiling legislation passed?
People despise deception because they instinctively know a civil society cannot exist with deception. Deception can only evoke flight or fight and what cannot be trusted can never evoke a warm response from folks. No trust means fear and flight or fight.
Islam is the only religion with a doctorine that endorses deception. "War is deception" is recommended because of a presumed war against Unbelievers. The Flying Phonies are part of that war. The totalitarian conditions that exist at our airports (which were free places not long ago) exist because of Muslim deception and violence and are the result of war.
The hassle conditions we all must patiently deal with at airports and elsewhere are all the result of Muslim deception and violence. That's reality-that's the consequences and the meaning of the belief-system.
at December 16, 2006 8:52 AM
Islam is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION and we better designate them a such.
These Imams should be thrown out of the country as they are Donkey thugs.
Posted by: paulc37 at December 16, 2006 9:04 AM
Jesus said that all deception-hypocrisy are from "the evil one". If Jesus is correct we must draw our conclusions re the source of deception in this matter. The more I contemplate Jesus' constant condemnation of deception (as reported in the Gospels) the more I'm impressed by the truth that deception is the basis of violence.
Posted by: Frank at December 16, 2006 9:08 AM
The staged incident was blatantly obvious. As Robert said, they seized upon the stupidity of Nancy Pelosi and are attempting to run with it to get anti-profiling legislation passed. I have never been more afraid of a politician, before actually being sworn in, than Fancy Nancy.
I generally like Glenn Beck, but even he has fallen for the "tiny minority of extremists" and "Islam is at heart peaceful" memes. If somebody as dedicated as Beck to getting the truth out can be snookered like that I am truly worried about our chances of defeating the jihadists.
Posted by: aynrandgirl at December 16, 2006 03:48 AM
Agreed on all counts.
Glen Beck knows what the deal is with Jihad, with Iran, with Iran's threats to make a nuclear holocaust on Israeli Jews. Glen Beck will be booted off CNN if lays it out the same as Robert Spencer and Hugh do.
Posted by: dennisw at December 16, 2006 03:59 AM
He knows, but his waffle on the subject last week undermines all that he is attempting to do. Sounds like the PC police on CNN did exercise some infulence over his opinion.
I already sent numerous e-mails to US Air threatening to boycott them forever if they capitulate and decide to settle with the Imams.
Posted by: awake at December 16, 2006 9:17 AM
I predict that anti-profiling legislation will be enacted and that the President will sign it. But that's not all. Look also for "hate speech" laws that will criminalize any critism of Islam. These laws will also make internet service providers responsible for the content of web sites and blogs and CAIR and the ACLU will procede to shut down sites like Jihad Watch. Finally, the return of "equal time" regulations will shut down "right wing" talk radio. Finally, open borders (unhindered immigration) legislation will be enacted.
Don't worry, be happy.
Islam is a religion of peace.
Viva El Presidente Jorge bin Jorge al-Bush.
Allahu akbar!
Posted by: Norseman at December 16, 2006 9:34 AM
Off topic:
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 16, 2006 9:43 AM
This was a staged event.
IIRC,At the time this incident became 'news' I recall one of the televised reports stating that one of the imams tried to upgrade his (or his companions) seat attempting to take advantage of his frequent flyer points.
As a 'frequent flyer', why is there no compelling evidence that this imam (or any of the other imams) was persecuted for prayer while flying previously? Because the imams didn't make it an issue until this event. Prayer alone would accomplish extra scrutiny but not the 'victim' status they desperately seek.
Posted by: justamomof4 at December 16, 2006 10:01 AM
Thndrbang,
Lawyers, lieyers, what’s the difference? We can see what kind of filthy rats these lieyers represent and in doing so they show themselves to be just as filthy as the rat clientele they represent. I would like to see all the rodents rounded up and shipped of to jihadiland, forced to become human shields for their masters. Jihadists are a gold mine for the lieyers, who cares if little infidels die, as long as it gets its fee it is happy. They are one small step above the scum they represent.
The plan IMO was, at best they could maybe get anti profiling passed, at worst they could cost us a lot of cash and man hours fooling around with this obviously staged event.
The truth… they have opened the eyes of millions of Americans to their agenda; we know a rattlesnake when we see or hear one. It is a fact, if there are muslims around there is going to be misery close at hand, they can’t help themselves, it is written in their book.
at December 16, 2006 10:51 AM
I also sent an email to US Air. After talking it over with a group of friends, we decided that if the company stands firm and exposes this hoax, we will make US Air our first choice when seeking a flight.
On the other hand, if thay capitulate in any form and pay these shysters as much as a penny, we will permanently eliminate them from any consideration.
Posted by: Bob B at December 16, 2006 11:10 AM
norseman said--->>>Finally, the return of "equal time" regulations will shut down "right wing" talk radio.
That is a real threat especially if a Donk president gets elected. They are salivating at the prospect of shutting down Limbaugh, Glen Beck and all the others. Liberals are an abject failure at talk radio. They flame out every time so they will try to shut down the competition via some kind of economically ruinous "equal time"
Posted by: dennisw at December 16, 2006 11:12 AM
Why is nobody sueing the imams? I really don't get that.
They clearly disturbed public law and order.
Inside the aircraft and at the airport(=public property). Normally muslims should be transported in cages and under veterinarian control.
Do they have monkey-freedom? Beware the dangerous breed of monkeys they are.
These errorist will never give in by themselves and rather become t-errorists.
Posted by: Arnie at December 16, 2006 11:37 AM
Yep, they are all about free speech, the free exchange of ideas and so on. I am noticing many similarities between the jihadists and the donks. The enemies of us all vote donk, there is no other way to describe it. In the future I see a retreat from the disastrous policies/idiotic ideas of the last 3 or 4 decades. We have had to put up with the constant crybaby, victim, blame the USA mentality for years on TV, now we have the net and talk radio. They cannot stand it, they must keep the voting pool as dumbed down as possible, any slight hint of rational cognizant intelligence is dangerous to them and their ideas. Why do you think many schools today won’t even teach kids to read, let alone think! How sad and pathetic is that? Let them try their brown shirt tactics of silencing Americans and watch the firestorm commence. As a matter of fact let them try to enact any of these lunatic ideas that so many are afraid will be implemented, just sit back and observe the reaction.
Posted by: tgusa at December 16, 2006 11:42 AM
I think all of this discussion re the flying phonies is going to become moot soon because we are going to be hit 911 style again in the not too distant future. I would not be surprised if intelligence already has indicated that. We are headed into a very bad time. Just a hunch...
Posted by: Frank at December 16, 2006 11:44 AM
Someone needs to check out if the Minneapolis Six has or had a connection with the esteemed Jesse Jackson. This fraud smells a lot like one of the rev's classic shakedown schemes. If he is connected to this he's outdone himself with this one.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 16, 2006 11:55 AM
With incidents like the 6 Imans the new congress bare watching
After the first of the year when the congress reconvenes the 110th Congress January 4th 2007 will certainly bare close watching as the House reps.position themselves for powerful chairmanships as majority leaders now have around 233 seats to the republicans 202 seats, a difference of 7.2 Pct.
The senate comes into the 110th with a 49 to 49 split on republicans/democrats with 2 independents of which one ( Joe Leiberman) will most often vote democratic on most issues. Leiberman now defines himself as independent democrat and says he will be apart of the democratic caucus
Hopefully Bills like Rep. John Conyers HR 288 will not be resurrected to accommodate CAIR who wants to suppress what they call profiling at airports or at anything else for that matter. HR 288 that was written and introduced by Conyers had a provocative focus on the Islamic religion over others.
Just some of the people who bare watching in the House chamber who will work to reduce Americas security measures like the patriot act, and similar bills like HR 288 are of course John Conyers, John Dingel, and Nancy Pelosi who will be the house speaker ,Keith Ellison,Dianne Watson,Maxine Waters,Henry Waxman, Alcee Hastings, Jerrold Nadler,Dennis Kucinich,Marcy Kaptur,Sylvester Reyes.
On the Senate side will be Harry Reid who will be the majority leader and Dick Durbin,who will be the majority whip in the senate, chief deputy whip Barbara Boxer,and deputy whip Russ Feingold.
One can't help but be seriously concerned about the influences that CAIR may have on these congressman and others in the 110th congress. We of course know well of the influences that are reaped on Rep. John Conyers and now we have Keith Ellison to watch and see who he hooks up with.
CAIR for me represents a continuing threat to Americas security and they are growing stronger and stronger every day in influence especially with the Minnesota seat won by Keith Ellison.
See a little history of this group here -- http://anti-cair-net.org/
Posted by: Mackie at December 16, 2006 12:09 PM
Why can't there just be an airline just for those holier than everyone else, where there's no female flight attendants to take instructions from?
at December 16, 2006 12:14 PM
Don't they have flying carpets?
Why do they have to use Western invented aircrafts?
Posted by: Arnie at December 16, 2006 12:25 PM
You think so Frank? If you are right I am sad to say, it would probably be better than what I worry about, the death by a thousand cuts through incidents like the lyinflyin 6. Look what has occurred since 9-11 in America, the lone jihadist has been busy, threats and attempted intimidation are at an all time high. The jihad is proceeding as we are chasing our tails.
Much too much concern over a 49 49 split in the Senate, 51 gets you nothing there. 49 49? Seems like an even split to me, not a majority. Who cares how the Ind’s will vote on issues they are registered Ind. and that does not translate into a donk majority. In the House many donks who won election ran on a platform that was to the right of their opponent. Does anyone think that the people that voted for these reps are going to allow them to completely abandon the things they sent them to Washington to accomplish?
Here’s some info on a split Senate but it may be even more complicated than this,
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york110502.asp
at December 16, 2006 12:47 PM
I would like to say a word here. Since our inception 3 years ago, the Christian American Middle Eastern Council(CMAC)** (htp://islamthreat.blogspot.com) has been acting under the radar. We have families and relatives and friends living in the Middle East which we don't want to endanger. We believe though that if Congress moves to legislate any laws against the profiling of Muslims we need to move against it in a big way. The voices of the Christian Middle Easterners need to be heard and lawmakers need to know that Christians and non-Christians from the Middle East oppose such legislation.
We propose a rally against such legislation in DC. CMAC will organize such a rally. If you'd like to participate just send an email to stevdecatur(at)gmail.com. Since there is no set date for such legislation the situation will be fluid and will require fast preparation. Democratic lawmakers might even try to sign it at a time when they think nobody is watching. I also advise that we start a watch group to monitor the proposed time for such legislation and anything that has to do with it. We will keep you posted.
**CMAC is a non-profit organization consisting of Arab Christians, Zoroastrians and Mandaeans working together against the spread of Islamic radicalism in America.
Posted by: stevedecatur at December 16, 2006 1:12 PM
"indignant Muslims complaining that nobody minds when Christians pray in public"
Christians don't blow plane loads of passengers up, Muslims do.
Besides, Christians are mostly likely praying for peace on earth, not for the death and destruction of other nations and people.
Finally, Killing innocent people is a sin to Christians and could land one up in hell. Muslims call such murderous acts good and pleasing to God, and are rewarded with eternal Paradise. Period.
Get the picture!!!
at December 16, 2006 1:30 PM
Francis Poretto
"to officially define Islam as a political ideology hostile to America. Islam must be made unwelcome in these United States, and Muslims already within our borders must be put under the same sort of scrutiny we once applied to suspected Communist agents."
That will never happen, not even if a catastrophe of huge proportions takes place, like a nuclear attack. To declare Islam as inimical to the U.S. would mean to have to outlaw it. There are millions of Muslims in the U.S. There were only a few thousand Communists and Communist sympathizers back in the 50s.
How do you outlaw a religion under the U.S. Constitution--"Congress shall make no law pertaining to religion..."?
You say: redefine it as a political ideology.
I say: It would amount to the same thing: making a law pertaining to religion. Our Constitution was established precisely, among other things, in order to prevent the state/government to decide what is a "true," legitimate, official/state religion over "illegitimate" others.
Maybe we should revisit the Oath of Allegiance that the Puritans would not take under Eliza I in the 1500s, one of the reasons for their coming to America? And with what results? The Oath is still in place in Great Britain, I believe, at least for naturalized citizens. And yet, G.B. has a large population of muslims that openly admit their allegiance is first to Islam.
And then what? Intern all those who would not take the oath?? That would not pass muster either. The Oath was debated by brilliant lawyers, with solid arguments, back in Eliza's time, and after (along with the Oath of Supremacy.) That's when the ancestor of the modern concept of "freedom of conscience" was introduced in common law jurisprudence. It's the building block of the First Amendment. And the First Amendment is our "religion," our absolute truth, our "nec plus ultra."
at December 16, 2006 1:35 PM
I have never been more afraid of a politician, before actually being sworn in, than Fancy Nancy.
Me too. I find myself thinking about her several time a day. Mix in Fancy Nancy with Carl Levin, John Conyers, Rep. Keith Ellison D-Minn. (Moslem), Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry (war coward & turncoat), Russ Feingold, and similar ilk...
... and I fully expect the anti-Moslem profiling legislation to pass.
There is no end to irony, much as there is no end to Marxism and Islam, at least until Islam subsumes Marxism in 30 yrs or so.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
Unless, in the meantime, Vegas or LA is flattened by a thermonuclear detonation and twerps like Nancy are ruled out.
Could happen. I mean, the detonation will happen, but a common sensical response could happen.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 16, 2006 1:45 PM
Off topic:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Why they deny the Holocaust
Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 16, 2006 2:04 PM
The lying Imams incident has gotten a lot of play on
FOX news. Including exposure of the Imams background and real motives. This stunt was a transparent attempt by the Imams to undermine airline security and create special rights for Muslims. The sister of one of the pilots of one of the 9/11 hijacked planes was interviewed on FOX about the lying Imams and exposed many of their lies. A website has been setup by some 9/11 family members about the Imams and this threat to our security. Who do you think has more influence in America a lying Imam or a family member of someone killed by Muslims on 9/11?People don't like or trust Muslims so I would forget about anti-Muslim profiling legislation passing anytime soon. Here's 9/11 family the website.
http://www.911familiesforamerica.org/
at December 16, 2006 2:25 PM
Not to blow my own horn, but my post (the first one on this thread) is the only one apparently understanding the fine point of this article, and directly commenting on it.
at December 16, 2006 2:29 PM
ovidius_naso & Francis W. Porretto
Our solution is within the constitution itself:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"
It is a war between a Islamic Government vs. a Bill of Rights style Democracy with a secular nature. When I use the word secular I don't mean you can't pray in school but I mean we don't have established state religions or laws. Islamic Law and Government go counter to that. Thus when Mr. Hooper and CAIR make statements about wanting a Islamic government that means they are attacking the most important thing we have...
the 1st.
That is a no go-zone for me. If we don't have that we don't have the USA. It is treason.
Same would go for anyone who wants a Christian, Atheist or Jewish state religion also. No way in hell am I going to be told by a baptist what I can do nor should they be told what they should do. Islam has to play by the same rules and if they can't which it appears to be the case...
Goodbye!
at December 16, 2006 2:59 PM
I told you if we played games at the airport after 9-11 we would regret it. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you…
http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-33/1166279742186820.xml&coll=6
“The 30-year-old Grand Rapids resident hopes by coming forward she will raise awareness that public agencies and private businesses should be sensitive to religious dress.”
They want to hide in plain sight among us, make no mistake they will destroy our economy if given the opportunity.
at December 16, 2006 3:26 PM
There should indeed be a profiling bill introduced in Congress. The bill should specify that "all persons or groups of persons, regardless of race, color, national orgin or religion, that act in a suspecious or threatening manner that causes other travelers to be anxious or fearful, should be detained and questioned by security personnel. Failure by security personnel to detain and question such persons shall make said personnel liable for criminal prosecution".
What constitutes "suspecious or threatening behavior" shall be determined entirely by security personnel.
No discrimination here, except by behavior.
at December 16, 2006 3:49 PM
Noresman ...
I predict that anti-profiling legislation will be enacted and that the President will sign it. But that's not all. Look also for "hate speech" laws that will criminalize any critism of Islam. These laws will also make internet service providers responsible for the content of web sites and blogs and CAIR and the ACLU will procede to shut down sites like Jihad Watch.
Hate speech laws ?
I can`t wait to see what that one consists of
considering the Qu`ran and it`s violent and
misogynistic tenets.
If any "religion" wants to avoid scrutiny it would
be Islam.
at December 16, 2006 4:26 PM
Ofcourse the flying amams was a staged event, its not like it was the first.
Last year 3 muslims were removed from a football stadium for the same actions, they are also seeking to file a law suit and force all stadiums to set aside special places for muslims to pray( at football games)
The muslims also staged an event at a race track seeking the very same actions!
How much is the american public willing to take? Are americans willing to sacrifice their lives for the freedoms and rights of muslims to murder innocent unarmed american men women and children ( again)?
at December 16, 2006 4:50 PM
Yes, it's almost a sure bet that it was deliberate...but it was not the ONLY reason by a long shot.
No, such legislation will not pass, even with W's opponents in power now...only 1/3 of the Dems are hard leftist and pro-islamist, 1/3 are "blue dogs", aka conservative Dems closer to the JFK & Truman types. Couplethat withthe fact they cannot override a filibuster by the Republicans in congress, such a plan is most likely for naught.
Not gonna happen...
Posted by: jcom972 at December 16, 2006 5:47 PM
Isn't it interesting that our bold and courageous U.S. Congress deprived Bob Jones university in North Carolina of it's tax-exempt status because it wouldn't allow interracial dating on it's campus, but can't find any reason to do the same to a so-called religion that has nothing but contempt for our constitution and way of life -- not to mention women, non-Muslims, and the most basic human rights?
Instead, thay want to pass laws extending rights and privliges to this murdeous ideology, suggesting that Islam is a respectable, main-stream religion, with perfectly normal, highly moral doctrinal foundations, while Bob Jones University deserved special Congressional action because of its immoral beliefs about interracial dating.
Bob Jones University was never any threat to me or the American people. It taught the ideals and principles of the American revolution, believed in freedom of speech and religion, showed no tendency to violence towards others.
If Congress has the Constitutional right to act against a University for its benign beliefs, it certainly has the right to act against a political and moral ideology that has proven itself to be a true threat to civilized people everywhere.
Think those pin-heads in Congress will recognize the truth in this? Don't hold your breath. They'ed extend special privileges and protections to the Devil himself if they thought he'ed deliver a bloc of votes to their campaigns.
at December 16, 2006 7:00 PM
I have noticed your problem with the flying imams and there has been a bit of an anti-profiling campaign over here in the UK. It's difficult to say whether it's been successful or not because the only thing in Parliament that can be relied on to tell the truth at the moment it is the clock on Big Ben.
But as to your problem it's a question of law, and the law can do anything you want it to if you get the words right.
For example about 400 years ago there was a rebellion of Catholics in the North of England and it was so extensive that the government had no option but to grant concessions and free pardons to the leaders. When there was a second smaller rebellion a few years later to leaders of the first rebellion knew that you didn't push your luck with King Henry VIII. So they took no part in the new outbreak and advised the people to do the same.
Nevertheless than they were arrested for high treason and executed. Why? The government lawyer's argued that had they been truly loyal subjects of the King they would have organised resistance to the rebellion. Therefore by not fighting the rebels they were aiding them and that was treason.
Using the same logic,
In times of danger it is the duty of ALL citizens regardless of their race or creed to give all possible moral and physical assistance to the legally constituted government regardless of the cost to themselves.
In Britain and Europe up to the 20th century it was the practice of any group whose loyalty might be suspect to make positive declarations of support and patriotism to the government.
By accepting profiling as a reasonable precaution not only are American Muslims greatly assisting the work of the security services they are demonstrating their patriotism and commitment to their country and their concern for the lives and anxieties of their fellow citizens.
Young Americans are being killed every day in the Middle East and American Muslims are refusing them this simple gesture of support. One could go further and say and that by refusing to accept profiling they are hindering the work of the security services and therefore giving active assistance to the enemy.
And that it is treason.
Just a thought.
Posted by: Fred at December 16, 2006 7:23 PM
I hope that sooner rather than later that our politicians and the media will wake up to the fact that Islam is just a war cult...it is a dangerious political religion which wants all our heads on a stick.
Posted by: Gaye at December 17, 2006 8:32 AM
The answer is obvious and the solution is brutally simple...the 6 imams need to be tried for impersonating terrorists, CAIR needs to be disbanded and those who protest need to be placed in internment camps! We are in a modern-day period similar to the autumn of 1941, just a few months away from another Pearl Harbor, 9/11 or some other similar catastrophe!
Posted by: verballistic at December 17, 2006 7:25 PM
FOX NEWS- stop misleading your viewers!!!!!
FOX NEWS has covered the FLYING IMAMS story numerous times, including segments on Hannity and Colmes and O'Reilly, and as the spoken commentary is running, in the background, over and over again, video footage is shown of groups of Muslims praying. What is remarkable about this footage is that one can see NUMEROUS (at least four) TV News cameras recording the action, some even down on the floor where the Muslims are.
Here's my question: Is this video footage of the actual Minneapolis FLYING IMAM 'incident' OR is it file footage that doesn't relate to the 'incident'?
Either way FOX NEWS has a responsibility to its viewers: If the footage is NOT related to the 'incident', FOX needs to stop misleading people to think it is, while on the other hand, if it IS footage of the actual FLYING IMAM 'incident', it PROVES the whole thing is a set-up and that the TV News people had advance notice in order to be there.
FOX NEWS- which is it????
(PS: And if US Airways knuckles under to the CAIR extortion artists, US Air goes IMMEDIATELY to the top of my personal 'no-fly' list.)
at December 19, 2006 2:06 PM
Oh, excuse me- I almost forgot.
Thank you, Mr Spencer, for one of the most important web sites online and for your most enlightening and important book.
at December 19, 2006 2:09 PM
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