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It's All About Israel Update. By Kim Barker in the Chicago Tribune, with thanks to Twostellas:
OUTSIDE NARATHIWAT, Thailand - Once they were friends, the chiefs of neighboring Buddhist and Muslim villages, separated by less than a mile of rice paddies and rubber-tree plantations.Violence drove them apart. And when Muhammad Dunai Tanyeeno, the chief of the Muslim village of Jaroh, was gunned down Oct. 20, the chief of the Buddhist village of Saikaew was not even sad. None of the Buddhists of Saikaew went to Dunai's funeral.
"He was a good friend," said Yoon Yencheun, 51, the chief of Saikaew, who carries two guns with him whenever he leaves his village. "But when any Muslim dies, I'm happy. So many Buddhists have been killed by the Muslims."
Oh, will the Islamophobia never end? It is chilling to hear any human being rejoice in the death of another. It is all the more chilling when one reflects that over the months we have published here at Jihad Watch story after story of Muslims killing Buddhists: monks, old men, schoolteachers. In light of all that, Yoon Yencheun's boiling anger is understandable. And this is what never enters into discussions of the trumped-up notion of "Islamophobia": the fact that jihadists are Islam's worst public relations agents. Efforts by Muslim spokesmen to blame the "Islamophobia" that results from Muslim violence (which the perpetrators justify by reference to the Qur'an and Muhammad) on "bigotry" or "hatred" on the part of non-Muslims only increases the sense that many people have that those Muslim spokesmen are being disingenuous, and not only not confronting but trying to deflect attention away from the real roots of the problem within their own theological traditions.
The history of violence in Thailand's Muslim-majority South, where a low-level Islamic insurgency has claimed nearly 1,700 lives since 2004, can be traced through these two villages, just southeast of the provincial capital of Narathiwat. In these villages, it's clear just how murky this insurgency is. It's also clear that violence is growing worse since the Sept. 19 coup, despite the new prime minister's apology to Muslims for past harsh treatment.Most government schools were shut down recently in the three southern provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani, a reaction to an insurgent campaign of school burnings and attacks on teachers. A mysterious group recently put up fliers announcing an Islamic state and warning Muslims not to work, open their shops or go to the bank or hospital for 10 days. "Otherwise we can't guarantee your safety," the fliers said.
People listened. Shops were closed. People stayed away from restaurants, from karaoke bars. The local hospital in Rangae district had one-third fewer patients than usual. The streets at 7 p.m. in Narathiwat felt as empty as they do at 1 a.m.
You want to go out past 7 and not feel as if you're taking your life into your hands? What are you, some kind of Islamophobe?
Posted by Robert at December 17, 2006 4:32 PM
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"He was a good friend," said Yoon Yencheun, 51, the chief of Saikaew, who carries two guns with him whenever he leaves his village. "But when any Muslim dies, I'm happy. So many Buddhists have been killed by the Muslims."One might be forgiven for not thinking much of Yoon Yenchuen's judgement when he considered Muhammad Dunai Tanyeeno as a friend. However, his above quote - When any Muslim dies, I'm happy - is just what I suspect most of us think, but are too scared to say, lest we get banned.
I envy Yoon. He can speak his mind out loud to the media, instead of coming here
Posted by: Infidel Pride![[TypeKey Profile Page]](http://www.jihadwatch.org/nav-commenters.gif)
at December 17, 2006 4:48 PM
buddists like everyone else need to defend themselves against the islamonazis.
Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 17, 2006 4:54 PM
"But when any Muslim dies, I'm happy. So many Buddhists have been killed by the Muslims."
Are these saying really true? And is the killing of Buddhists and Muslims really happening? I think they are just as human as anybody else. Why would the go and kill?
I never understand. I and most others I know are not like this, and I am sure the majority isn't like this. (In case the news here is true)
Posted by: Muslim Unity at December 17, 2006 4:58 PM
Firtly let us try to not use abusive words and become personal. If their is something we can discuss it as mature people.
You think all the places you cited, agreed they have violence. But is it going on because people have interptreted the Quran? Or have the WRONGLY interpreted the Quran?
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth doesn't speak for all of Christ and Christianity. It is the same with Islam.
Posted by: Muslim Unity at December 17, 2006 5:09 PM
"...violence between Muslims, Buddhists"
Gotta love that phraseology.
It's just this...thing...that occurs between Muslims and the Buddhists, like an electrical spark between a negative and a positive charge.
Posted by: Snippet at December 17, 2006 5:19 PM
Muslimunity, why would you question the authenticity of any article posted at this site? The sources are always cited and put in red letters; that means it is a link to the source. Since you appear to be Muslim, I suggest you find a willing dhimmi to tell you how to follow these links.
If you doubt this particular story, call the Chicago Tribune.
Posted by: Pelayo at December 17, 2006 6:21 PM
When Buddhists strike out violently, you know they've taken about all they can take. This isn't a war between Buddhists and Muslims, it's a war by Muslims against Buddhists. The Buddhists are only defending themselves.
Posted by: rational at December 17, 2006 6:47 PM
I don't to what to say to apologists in media.
Robert:
Why don't you pose a challenge ot CAIR or MCB? Only action they seem to take against Islamofascists is to issue condemntation. However when they defend imams and their likes they go the whole nine yard: explore legal options, reach out to media and do propaganda, issue guidebooks to hajis etc...
Why can't they show concrete actions against jihadists in addition to issuing condemnation alone??????????
Posted by: Desi at December 17, 2006 7:07 PM
By the way if you had noticed one of the newest congressman from minnesota used election placard in green. Why not red or blue?
Posted by: Desi at December 17, 2006 7:10 PM
URL that might be of interest
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-605
Posted by: Desi at December 17, 2006 7:34 PM
Once the programing of violence is turned on there's just no stopping those Islamaniac killer robots from carrying out the prime directive. Then they wonder why they are not the most loved or respected people in the world.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 17, 2006 7:46 PM
Come forward, Dalai Lama,
defend your Way, defend your Dharma.
What is your karma that you call
murderers michievous?
You say they are a religion of peace,
and our brothers, but behind our back,
they contemptuously call us the Others
and despise us as pagans and black magicians,
torture and kill us and rape our women
Why do you submit to their lies?
I thought you were loving
I thought you were wise
but your idiot compassion
has fashioned a knot round your neck
that will strangle the Sangha
and break the transmission . . .
Where is your passion for the Buddhist people,
where is your statement denouncing this evil,
Where has your vow as Bodhisattva gone?
Step forward and speak,
Dalai Lama,
Buddhists are dying,
don't keep lying to yourself,
it is time for the Truth,
you can't save your people
by dhimmitude. Have you forgotten
one manifestation of Padmasambhava,
is that of Gesar of Ling. Have you forgotten?
at December 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Someone said something that quite sums it up: Fear of radicals makes the radicals more radical. That person asked how many Muslims would throw off the shroud of their violent religion if they knew they wouldn't be murdered for doing so.
We're seeing an unprecedented number of former muslims turning to Christianity, but they are having to do so under the threat of death- however, Turning to Christ they are indeed doing. The simple fact is that radicals within Islam are doing their religion more harm than good- but shhhh don't let them know that- http://sacredscoop.com
Posted by: CottShop at December 17, 2006 8:50 PM
Muslim Unity -- I have never in my life heard a Buddhist talk that way or write anything like that. To read a quote like that coming from one floors me.
Posted by: pneumatikon at December 17, 2006 9:16 PM
Of course, rat-bastards like the New York Times will tell us all that "these are just local conflicts which have nothing to do with 9/11, where local bigots are just trying to piggyback off 9/11 and the war on terror"
I'm telling you that the New York Times is an EU embassy on US soil. The Atlanticists are disingenuously trying to concoct all sorts of false assertions in order to slander and discredit any critic of Islamic militancy.
Eventually, when parts of Europe become as strife-torn as Southern Thailand, then the Atlanticists will learn their lesson, but it will be too late.
Posted by: sanman at December 17, 2006 9:20 PM
We're seeing an unprecedented number of former muslims turning to Christianity, but they are having to do so under the threat of death- however, Turning to Christ they are indeed doing.
So what have I been sayin'? Muhammad's religion can't stand up to scrutiny, which is why the Mullahs are freaking out. I have a lot of respect for Sufi mystics (seriously -- those guy are very good), but mysticism had to be grafted to Muhammad's religion after his death. We Gnostics, however, have a pedigree stretching back to Jesus himself; as witnessed by the Gospel of Thomas. There's not a smidgen of difference between the writings of Valentinus on the one hand (Gnostic) and Symeon the New Theologian/Theresa of Avila (Orthodox/Catholic) on the other.
My brothers have done well leading Muslims to Christ (who is the ulimate source of all divine experience), but now it's time to let that body hit the floor and accept the unvarnished real deal.
Posted by: pneumatikon at December 17, 2006 9:24 PM
the poetess,
I wouldn't count on the Dali Lama coming to his senses. I refer to this dhimmi watch thread.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013574.php
Posted by: non-redneck at December 17, 2006 9:52 PM
Islamophobia???
phobia - an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation
How is fear of Islam exaggerated, inexplicable or illogical given the violent actions and hateful rhetoric of muslims all over the world??
Islamophobia my a$$!!
Posted by: WillPower at December 17, 2006 10:22 PM
Muslim Unity, you said this:
***
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth doesn't speak for all of Christ and Christianity. It is the same with Islam.
***
Sir, Christianity has nothing to do with 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.' That scripture comes from Jewish text. Jesus said this:
"you have heard, an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, but I tell you: Instead, do not resist an evil person, do good to those who would abuse you, love your enemy ..." Christianity contradicts the Jewish 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth' concept, and says, "if someone asks you for your shirt, give him your coat as well, if someone asks you to walk one mile, walk two, if someone strike you on one cheek, give him the other..."
These exhortations make confronting jihad very difficult for a Christian. Pulling oneself away from these concepts and concentrating on repelling attacks from those who are intent to kill us, well, it is hard for some to reconcile. In the end, the justification for fighting back is the command to provide for our family. We cannot sit and watch our children's lives destroyed and their religion banished. That would be unthinkable!
Posted by: Kay at December 17, 2006 11:00 PM
Registration is open at LGF for a few minutes...
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
(some have asked about this)
at December 17, 2006 11:31 PM
The actual number of causulities may be much higher. Some of them never got reported during special celebrations.
Another thing to mention is:
Why is it possible that the moderate Muslims in this country don't observerve their neighbourhoods? Talking about insurgency is a bit cheap when in fact the problems are within the Muslim communities there.
One would think that in villages, people know each other well and are aware of movements and activities.
Strange blindness
at December 18, 2006 12:25 AM
they kill!
we discuss it!
they kill some more!
we discuss it some more!
they kill again!
we discuss it again!
we send them a message!
they got the message!
they kill!
we discuss it!
at December 18, 2006 12:52 AM
You think all the places you cited, agreed they have violence. But is it going on because people have interptreted the Quran? Or have the WRONGLY interpreted the Quran?MUAn eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth doesn't speak for all of Christ and Christianity. It is the same with Islam.
Posted by: Muslim Unity
What exactly gives you the idea that your interpretation of the Quran is correct, while that of everyone else - from Osama right down to Ibrahim Hooper - is incorrect? Moreover, as Hugh pointed out the other day, at this site, we directly confront and condemn all the misdeeds done by Muslims right from Mian Uswa Hasana himself, and everyone who followed him - Abu Baqr, Ali, Hussein, Umar II, Mahmoud of Ghazni, Saladin, Mehmet the conqueror (who captured Constantinople), Tamerlane, Babur, Hasan al Bana, Sayed Qutb, Ibn Saud, Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Mahathir Mohammed, Walid of Indonesia, Osama, Ismail Haniyey, Musharraf, Mullah Omar, Karzai, Saddam, Maliki, Jaffari, Zarqawi, Arafat, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Hasan Turabi, and a whole lot more. It's not a particular subset of Islam that we condemn; we condemn 'Prophet' Mohammed, and all the evil that he invented, and his followers perpetuated over 13 centuries. Also, reading and figuring out the Quran isn't a monopoly of Muslims alone: we've nailed it, since all these myriad Jihadi campaigns - in Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkistan, Pakistan, India (Kashmir and beyond), Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia - are too much of a co-incidence. So we look at what Islam really advocates. I could throw at you ~500 verses that advocate cruelty to disbelievers alone, but I don't want to flood this site with Quranic junk, so I selected just 4 verses below. Read them, and explain to us Infidels why we shouldn't be wary of you people based on those:
2:191 And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.And please spare us the translation issues. Reason I didn't pick Pickthall was the use of 16th century English, which makes it hard to follow, while Yusuf Ali makes up his own stuff (like adding the word 'lightly' to beat in Surah 4:34). Hilali-Khan is what I'm going to use. Take the above 4 examples, and demonstrate to us why we should take your claims about Islam's benign character at face value.
2:193 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
5:33 The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
9:111 Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success.
You are technically correct that Muslims are human. So were people like Attila, Nebuchadnezzar, Herod, Cortez, Pizzaro, the implementors of the Spanish Inquisition, Ivan the Terrible, and a whole lot of tyrants right down to Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Stalin, Mao, Brezhnev, Pol Pot, ad nauseum. However, when we use the term 'human', we are also thinking humane, which implies the enforcement of standards of morality so that the misdeeds of the above characters aren't perpetuated. That is an adjective that never did, still doesn't, and very likely never will apply to Mohammedans.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 18, 2006 12:57 AM
The terrorist amongst us:
Our friendly wonderful tolerant peace loving allah worshipping muslims would have us believe they dont know who among them are the terrorist!
After all the terrorist dont live in their homes eat at their table attend their masjids, and discuss their plans with them!
Ofcourse it is the jew and christians who harbor and support the muslim terrorist amongst us!
The muslim terrorist live in the homes of the jew and christians, they sit at the table of the jew and christian they eat dinner with the jew and christians they attend jew and christians religious service at their church and synogogues.They discuss their terroist plots with the jew and christian, They recieve aid and support from the jew and christians.
Knowing this "fact" how dare you expect the wonderful friendly innocent tolerant peace loving allah worshipping muslims to know who the muslim terrorist are amongst us!
Go ask the jew and christians!
at December 18, 2006 1:02 AM
Infidel Pride,
MU is a soother and apologist.
What you think he has to say about democracy?
See what happens to democrat activists in Iran.
http://civoc.com/society/?p=26
Posted by: Arnie at December 18, 2006 1:40 AM
Arnie
He claims he wants to discuss. So I've thrown him the gauntlet. Let's see whether he uses a technique any different from past taqiyya masters.
Posted by: Infidel Pride at December 18, 2006 1:44 AM
amazing Buddhist are normally pacifist to read they are taking up arms even to defend themselves the big step for them unfortunately for Muslims take up arms in cowardly attacking people that is a good chance they will not bite back is normal after all their pedophile pervert man, Mohammed did then when he attacked a Jewish city for daring to mock him the only difference is the Muslims and not taken and raped and enslaved Buddhist women and children yet.
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 18, 2006 2:01 AM
I don't know what techniques you are talking about; a lot of questions have been raised. But a common theme is there. I will try to address the main question being raised.
What makes me think Osama and terror is wrong? Well because I have common sense, and anybody else with little bit of common sense will tell you it is wrong. Anybody with commons sense will tell you, going and killing Jews or Christians or Buddhists is a sick thing to do without reason. And most of us as Muslims understand that. The people who talk about, by the acts they do, are they even human? When I say we are all humans, I don’t refer to murderers and killers of innocents. They are barbaric animals.
If we want a better world, we can’t decide to kill all Muslims or Jews or Christians or Buddhists, we need to eliminate all forms of extremist hate directed against any of them.
Love conquers hate.
at December 18, 2006 2:43 AM
Muslim Unity:
'Love conquers hate.'
I've taken the time to read your blog pages. If I hadn't have read it all I would have thought that I was reading a parody from an enlightened muslima using excessive irony to highlight the absurdity of her former beliefs. I can recommend February's archives for starters.
KILL THEM NOW!
'Today is Valentine’s Day. And on this day here are the people I would love to see killed/wiped out/ beaten to death/ crushed alive/ burnt alive/ chopped into tiny pieces/ fed to live hungry lions.'
1. George Bush
My question to you M.U.
What type of damage do YOU imagine can be caused by 10,000 'martyrs' sent to America and the United Kingdom? Do you think that 'innocents' dying as a consequence is acceptable?
Still ready to discuss.
Posted by: western infidel at December 18, 2006 5:37 AM
"But when any Muslim dies, I'm happy. So many Buddhists have been killed by the Muslims."
my parents always told me "God helps those who help
themselves" this is a golden rule in my household.
you dont wait for the government to come to save you. The Buddists have learned to defend themsevles, and have stopped making themselves easy targets.
Muslim terrorist are cowards and try to bring their terror by ambush. That is why you will not see a muslim country actually attack a non muslim country because of the humilating defeat by the very small country of Israel. Iran and Syria use surrogates for the means of terror. The words need to be spread attack your attackers, and when you have had enough, go on the offensive and take down those regimes that promote terrorists.
at December 18, 2006 7:27 AM
Comments on this thread and others have led me to some observations:
Perhaps the problem with American foreign policy at this stage is that it is governed by a mindset that thinks nobody has a history until "We" get involved.
Poetess, forget about the Dalai Lama in this southern Thailand conflict. To the Theravada (I was about to say Torawadee, since I lived and worked in Thailand for a couple of years) of Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Burma, and Sri Langka, all Mahayanists (including Lamaists like the Dalai Lama) are heretics; for it is the Hinayana Theravada who represent the "Tradition of the Elders". As for the Dalai Lama himself, the need for allies against a bullying Communist Party and govrnment ill make him pleasant towards the Muslims of Eastern Turkistan and NW China for a long time to come. After all, when the Hui Muslims went on a rampage in Qinghai back in the 1990's, they pointedly stayed away from the ethnic Tibetans (their hereditary enemies) and marched straight to the Party Headquarters and police station. It seems that they recognize a potential ally, too.
I weep for Thailand. They had a pleasant, hospitable, exquisitely mannerly country. True, the southern Changwat (provinces) were conquered by Buddhist archers on elephant back way back in the days of Sukhothai and Ayuthaya; but Thailand was usually pretty generous to its minorities.
But I am not surprised that Thai Buddhist patience has worn thin. Anyone, when pressed hard enough, will defend himself and develop a burning hatred against those who wrong them.
Posted by: Kepha at December 18, 2006 7:33 AM
What type of damage do YOU imagine can be caused by 10,000 'martyrs' sent to America and the United Kingdom? Do you think that 'innocents' dying as a consequence is acceptable?
western infidel,
Watch that one, the answers of Muslim is this ...
http://civoc.com/society/?p=36
Posted by: Arnie at December 18, 2006 7:59 AM
What type of damage do YOU imagine can be caused by 10,000 'martyrs' sent to America and the United Kingdom? Do you think that 'innocents' dying as a consequence is acceptable?
western infidel,
Watch that one, the answers of Muslim are this ...
http://civoc.com/society/?p=36
Posted by: Arnie at December 18, 2006 7:59 AM
Muslim Unity Posted:
"What makes me think Osama and terror is wrong? Well because I have common sense, and anybody else with little bit of common sense will tell you it is wrong. Anybody with commons sense will tell you, going and killing Jews or Christians or Buddhists is a sick thing to do without reason. And most of us as Muslims understand that. The people who talk about, by the acts they do, are they even human? When I say we are all humans, I don’t refer to murderers and killers of innocents. They are barbaric animals."
You've hit upon one of the main differences between you and a jihadi: You hold common sense as the standard to judge your holy books by, and jihadis hold the books as the standard and judge their common sense by that.
Something I've learned recently by coming here is to ask all Muslims who use the word innocent to define it. Some Muslims hold believers to be "more innocent" than non-believers.
Posted by: freedomschool at December 18, 2006 10:18 AM
To the poster above:
No you are mistaken, M.U is a jihadi but she may not know it. Her understanding of the word 'innocent' refers to a person who has no tenious association with a person or organisation she finds abhorrent.
Just by voting for your president or prime minister makes you culpable and duly punishable by a slow and painful death. Her debate lies in the ratio of Muslim bystanders that can be justifiably sacrificed in a jihadi terrorist attack.
at December 18, 2006 11:07 AM
or even tenuous
Posted by: western infidel at December 18, 2006 11:12 AM
Of course I don't expect the dalai lama to come forth and defend Buddhism. First of all, Thailand is Theravadan Buddhist, not his brand of Vajrayana and Buddhist sects are not all that friendly to each other. Secondly, certainly he won't speak in public against islam, not with the trash he's been spewing lately and his ingratiating dhimmitude. But my poem challenges him according to his belief system to examine these beliefs and see he faces a moral and ethical conundrum.
The reason Tibet was closed to foreigners for hundreds of years was due to the amazing military feats of Gesar of Ling who fought and defeated the arabs, the turks and the chinese. He is considered a historical, mythical and religious hero to Tibetans and a reincarnation of Padmasambhava who brought Buddhism to Tibet. This is the dirty little secret Tibetan Buddhists keep from their western converts as his story is not a sutra of pacifism by a long shot.
Posted by: the poetess at December 18, 2006 12:46 PM
Anybody with commons sense will tell you, going and killing Jews or Christians or Buddhists is a sick thing to do without reason.
posted by muslim unity
>>> thats just it, muslims dont go out and attack rob rape terrorize torture torment enslave and slaughter nonmuslims for "no reason"!
muslims attack rob rape terrorize torture torment enslave and slaughter nonmuslims because allah commands muslims to do just that!
Salih Bin ‘Abdul ‘Aziz Al al-Sheikh-hadith # 816
Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Banu Al-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women. We were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we refrained from copulation with our female captives lest should we lose the right of asking ransom for them (in case they bear children for us). So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is among us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter whether you perform `azl or not, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
Hadith number in Sahih Muslim [Arabic only]: 2599
i wonder mu, can you see in the above hadith muhammad not only condones the rape of the women he and his thugs had captured but he also condones the muslims committing adultery!
>>>SURAH 9-29,,Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.[29]
Tafsir al-Jalalayn: surah 9}_29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the one that abrogated other religions, namely, the religion of Islam - from among of those who (min, 'from', explains [the previous] alladhīna, 'those who') have been given the Scripture, namely, the Jews and the Christians, until they pay the jizya tribute, the annual tax imposed them, readily ('an yadin is a circumstantial qualifier, meaning, 'compliantly', or 'by their own hands', not delegating it [to others to pay]), being subdued, [being made] submissive and compliant to the authority of Islam.
>>>SURAH 8-67,,It is not fit for a Prophet that he should take prisoners of war until he has thoroughly subdued the land. Do you, O followers of Muhammad, desire the temporal goods of this world, while Allah desires for you the hereafter? Allah is Mighty, Wise.[67]
Tafsir al-Jalalayn : surah 8}_67
The following was revealed when they ransomed those taken captive at Badr: It is not for any Prophet to have (read as an takūna lahu or an yakūna lahu) prisoners until he has made slaughter in the land, going all the way in fighting disbelievers. You, O believers, desire the transient things of this world, its ephemeral gains, by ransoming, while God desires, for you, the Hereafter, that is, its reward, through your killing them; and God is Mighty, Wise: this was abrogated by His words [and set them free] afterward either with grace or by ransom [Q. 47:4].
i wonder mu, in the ayahs above can you see muhammad commanding muslims to attack rob rape terrorize torture torment enslave and slaughter the jew and christians whose only crimes are they "do not believe in allah" and they refuse to submit to muhammad!
Posted by: Thndrbang at December 18, 2006 1:18 PM
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