Islam is a usurper of souls, cultures, and civilizations.

Posted by: mtriviso at December 19, 2006 2:15 PM

I can't believe what I am reading, the leaders of Islamic nations are fighting out fictions in real! They are a bunch of crazies. They are going to destroy all of us. Lets get them before they destroy everything that we bulilt.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at December 19, 2006 2:19 PM

"My one question from the Christians is: What would Jesus do if he were present in the world today? What would he do before some of the oppressive powers of the world who are in fact residing in Christian countries? Which powers would he revive and which of them would he destroy?" the Iranian president asked"

Jesus wouldn't Destroy anyone. That's allah and Muslim work . Jesus would lead by example and give people a CHOICE.

"If Jesus were present today, who would be facing him and who would be following him?"

Westerners and Decent peace loving people would be facing Jesus and follow him, and Muslims would reject him because Jesus WOULD reject hate , Islam , and Jihad.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 2:26 PM

The only Cure for Ahmadinejoke is a Bullet.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 2:27 PM

" ... He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. "

which cause?

the shi-ites ahainst the sunnis
or
the sunnis against the shi'ites

maybe Ahmadinijad should try to tell the sunnis about this ;-)

exdemexlib

Posted by: exdemexlib at December 19, 2006 2:30 PM

I think the lesson for Ahmadinejad is simple:

KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE!!!!

Posted by: RerumNovarum at December 19, 2006 2:39 PM

Jesus would return to the world along with the emergence of the descendant of the Islam's Holy Prophet, Imam Mahdi and wipe away every tinge of oppression, pain and agony from the face of the world," Ahmadinejad said.

After Jesus takes care of the Mahdi and the human monkey man ahmadenijad he would finish the job with the rest of satans followers.

Posted by: gaelen at December 19, 2006 2:40 PM

DinnerJacket is a sneaky, lying so-and-so. He's got some nerve.

Someone should tell him he's not qualified to talk about Jesus since he's not a Christian scholar.

Posted by: Josephine at December 19, 2006 2:45 PM

----Iranian president in New Year's message to Christians: "God willing, Jesus will return with Imam Mahdi and wipe away oppression"----

Sounds good to me when held up, out of context.

Other out of context things I have on my wish list:

G-d willing, Jesus will return with Imam Mahdi, Buddha, Abraham, King Tut, Huitzilopochtli, the Tooth Fairy, Aegir and Hermes and wipe away stupidity.

Posted by: Malinois at December 19, 2006 2:52 PM

Sahih Muslim, Bukhari and Abu Dawud are solidly in the Sunni tradition, so this mytholatrociny of Jesus is not merely a Shia thing, but a Muslim thing. Having Jesus return to fight for Muslims and against Christians has got to be the most brazen act of chutzpah in all of history!

Posted by: remote_control at December 19, 2006 2:52 PM

I haven't decided what I'm going to do.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at December 19, 2006 2:55 PM

If President Ahmadinejad *really* wants to know what Jesus would do, then he should read the Book of Revelation, particularly these passages:

19: 11-21: "I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great." Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

(Perhaps the "false prophet" is the Mahdi?)

20: 4-6: I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

20: 11-15: Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Translation: Ahmadinejad, your ass is God's. You and your fellow Muslim idolaters are going to spend eternity with your so-called prophet -- in a place where air conditioning does not exist.

Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito at December 19, 2006 2:57 PM

All kingdoms and dominions on earth belong the the Devil. That includes our own. Scripture is very clear about that, and on that all informed Christians agree.

Posted by: pneumatikon at December 19, 2006 3:08 PM

The only Cure for Ahmadinejoke is a Bullet.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian

OR A BIG DOSE OF RADIATION FLASH BANG.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 19, 2006 3:19 PM

Thug-in-Chief asks: What would Jesus do?

lol, he sure wouldn't wipe Israel off the map, that's for sure.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 19, 2006 3:28 PM

Joseph D'Hippolito

When I read this article I was going to post what you did but you beat me to it! one thing I would add though.

Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army.

Who are these armies?

Ezekiel 38

3. And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4. And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5. Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6. Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
7. Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Persia is Iran, Gog is Russia, Gomer is Germany,
Togarmah is Turkey. At least according to some Bible scholars.

Ezekiel 38

13. Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

These nations are thought to be the western powers. Note the Lion nations. Britian and the other English speaking nations. And it looks like they are powerless to stop this?

Ezekiel 38

16. And thou shalt come up against My people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
22. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.

All these nations are Muslim, turning Muslim or support the Muslim nations.
Notice also the verses say that this will happen in the latter days. I think we are well along on this point.
So Ahmadamadingdong you cant fool me with your Muslim perversion of Christian scriptures!

Posted by: frodnum at December 19, 2006 3:32 PM

I'll be the first to admit I don't know as much as I should about the Religion of Peace(TM). At first, I thought many commenters here were just teasing and making fun. But the more I read this site the more I understand what a perverse belief system this is. This article is a case in point. Clearly, they truly are clueless about Christ. If this had not been written in their "holy" texts I would have just brushed it off as Ahmadinejad trying to divide Christians and Jews (which somebody here warned about).

But I'm beginning to understand how depraved various teachings from the Religion of Peace(TM) is.

The Jews didn't kill Jesus -- He laid down his life willingly. There was a reason for that. Gentiles had to be brought into the fold, grafted into the root of His people. Jesus was a Jew and yet He is going to kill the "pigs?"

Not only is this perverse and sickening, it's also very dangerous. Dangerous not only for us infidel westerners but also for those who hold such hideous beliefs.

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 3:35 PM

Ugh--"Isa" is not Jesus--at least, not a Jesus that many Christians would recognize.

The virgin birth *is* alluded to in passing, and Isa is refered to as the Messiah--but this just seems to be an honorific. There doesn't seem to be any real understanding of what "messiah" means.

Isa spends most of his time in the Qu'ran castigating Christians for their error in believing in the trinity, and denying that he is the son of God, or anything more than an apostle. The oddly koan-like phrase "God forbid that He (God) should have a son!" is sprinkled throughout the text.

The shortest chapter in the Qu'ran hammers home this point. The entire chapter, "Oneness", reads, "Say: God is One, the Eternal God. He begot none, nor was he begotten. None is equal to Him." When Ahmadinijad and people like him talk about "monotheism"--even to the Pope--they mean Islam alone. They do not consider Christianity to ba a monotheistic religion.

Isa is also a "prefiguring" figure, who announces the coming of Mohammed. He says, "I am sent forth to you from God to confirm the Torah and to give news of an apostle that will come after me whose name is Ahmed (Mohammed)".

Isa is *not* a redemptive figure. Not only does he not die on the cross, he tricks a follower into dying in his place. In some traditions this seems to be Judas, in some it is some poor unknown schmo.

Isa's main purpose (besides correcting erring Christians) seems to be as an apocalyptic figure in the last days, where he is a "killer of swine" and a "breaker of the cross and spiller of wine"--basically, he is going to kill a lot of Christians.

And on that note, President Ahmadinajad wishes all Christians a Happy New Year!

Posted by: gravenimage at December 19, 2006 3:37 PM

pneumatikon, when you refer to scripture, are you refering to:

American Revised Version,
American Standard Version - a revised version of the King James Version
Revised Standard Version
Authorized Version,
King James Bible,
King James Version
Douay Bible,
Douay Version,
Douay-Rheims Bible,
Douay-Rheims Version,
Revised Version - a British revision of the Authorized Version or the
New English Bible

Posted by: rudekid at December 19, 2006 3:39 PM

----Iranian president in New Year's message to Christians: "God willing, Jesus will return with Imam Mahdi and wipe away oppression"----

"Wipe away oppression" means you, Mr. President -- along with Islam and all of those deceived young men who are prepared to murder themselves and countless others in its name.
At least you'll have the comfort of being with your beloved Muhammad. That should make for interesting conversation.

Posted by: rational at December 19, 2006 3:43 PM

Typical...so typical...so classic of malignant narcissistic projectionists.

What the usurpers of such positon conveniently omit...the ol' JC had beenknown to kick some ass, especially in the Temple...or did he forget that part?

lol...pathetic.

Posted by: jcom972 at December 19, 2006 3:56 PM

I'm more interested in 'what would Churchill, Washington, Ben-Gurion, or Patton do?' This runt lunatic wouldn't like the answer.

Posted by: Infidel33 at December 19, 2006 4:06 PM

This man is clearly off his rockers, does he even know the meaning of 'oppression'? What's happening to the people of Iran if not oppression, and its he who is doing it, what's happening in Saudi Arabia and the majority of the gulf states if not oppression? Are a few insane religious nutjobs who only care about themselves, their opinions and ego going to hijack the lack of freedom and suffering of millions of people?
They are trying desperately by reducing everything to religion but the only place oppression doesn't exist is in democratic societies, sure they have their problems but these in no way justify self styled despots on a ego trip that reduces 99% their populations to miserable existance.

Why isn't there an uprising against the royal family in Saudi arabia, or the crazed fundamentalists in Iran, or Saddam in pre war Iraq, not a single bomb then so what right do any of these jihadists and mass murderers have to talk about oppression, humanity ,right, wrong or freedom. The only thing they care about is imposing their caveman ideals on others and blood lust, a life civilization left behind centuries ago.

They have nothing to contribute and hence they want to destroy all the progress that has been made because its not theirs and their supersized muslims egos can't accept this, their inferiority and the failure of their societies. For us its 'human' progress, for them it's muslim failure hence the rejection of civilzation itself and the throwback to barbarity.

Posted by: raulb at December 19, 2006 4:07 PM

that is the most outrageous thing i heard today how about this :

Haniyeh Urges Factions to Stop Fighting
blames US for gov't failure; six killed, dozens wounded in clashes Tuesday.

Posted by: Cyberray at December 19, 2006 4:09 PM

Dear Glorious Leader of Islamic Republic of Iran (and megalomanical, genocidal, malignant-narcisstic midget),
Who would Jesus behead?

Posted by: Xero G at December 19, 2006 4:14 PM

When the president of iran sees jesus, he is gonna be shaking in his sneakers

Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 19, 2006 4:23 PM

And by "grafting in" I mean a spiritual grafting in. For man is a triune being, composed of a physical body, a living soul, and a spirit. Man is much more than an intelligent animal. The stumbling block for many is that they focus entirely on the flesh. The Religion of Peace(TM) seems to be obsessed with the flesh. But G-d is a spirit being...

And Jesus was no pacifist, turning the other cheek in meekness. His sinless example teaches us how futile it is to rely on the flesh. For the multitude of teachings governing the flesh, as found in The Religion of Peace(TM), will not save a man's soul. All men are imperfect because the flesh is imperfect. It has a fallen nature. If we try to rely on the works of the flesh then one must turn the other cheek as a truly sinless man would. Relying solely on the flesh is futile...

But does that mean that we should not even try to emulate the good works of Jesus, the sinless sacrifice, whose ways were faultless? Since we aren't good enough to do it? No, we must try and keep trying to do good. And it isn't easy, as Paul of Tarsus noted, "Oh wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from this body of death?"

Do I sound like a Christian? Sorry, if I've offended anyone... I'm certainly not perfect. Indeed, I am a western infidel too.

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 4:27 PM

Speaking of what Jesus would do...I wonder what he would have to say about the three ring circus that Moamar Qaddafi runs over in Libya. Several Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor were sentenced to death (but not before the requisite torture in prison) because about 400 kids turned up with HIV in Libya. The doctors and nurses were part of a big CIA/Israeli plot, don't you know. Now, I've seen the medical practices in that part of the world and I have to tell you that the HIV infections were undoubtedly a result of rank negligence which is an overriding characteristic.

here's the link to the story.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/06/INGUQ6VPD91.DTL

Posted by: citycat at December 19, 2006 4:31 PM

Do I sound like a Christian? Sorry, if I've offended anyone... I'm certainly not perfect. Indeed, I am a western infidel too. ~Sasha

"I'm certainly not perfect" is a good phrase for Any person, Christian, Hindu, Sihk, Bhuddist, Secular, everyone. You simply spoke Truth.

Posted by: Gary at December 19, 2006 4:33 PM

Assalamau Alaikum all,

If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed with the way his name and life history has been distorted. He would weed out the wicked and once again write his life history of 2007 years ago….here it is again for those in the dark…I’m sure Jesus would put the finer points to it…but it’s a starter for 10…please put on your hard-disks for safe-keeping..

The mother of Prophet Isa (pbuh) was called Maryam. Some peoples also call her Mary . She was a very pious woman and once, an angel of Allah (SWT) Allah (SWT) came to her and said:

”Soon you will have a son”. “But how can I have a son?” Maryam asked. “I have no husband”. The angel replied: “Allah (SWT) is almighty, when He wishes something, then it will happen. You will have a son, and his name shall be Isa (pbuh), and he will be a great prophet of Allah (SWT) (SWT)”.

Later Maryam returned to her family. They were very curious about the child and asked: “How did you get him?”

But Maryam did not answer. Instead, she just pointed to the child. Don’t be silly, Maryam! the peoples admonished her. “How can we ask a child, who is still in the cradle?”

But just then, to their amazement, they heard the child say: I am the servant of Allah (SWT). He has given me the scripture and made me His prophet. We, mankind, should worship only Allah (SWT) and help the poor and give them some of our money. (in the form of Jizah)..

Years passed and Isa (pbuh) grew to be a man. Often, he spoke to the peoples and told them what Allah (SWT) had revealed to him. He told them too of the earlier prophets of Allah (SWT). He told them: I am also a prophet of Allah (SWT) and I am also a man like all the other prophets of Allah (SWT). You should believe in Allah (SWT) and worship no-one apart from Allah (SWT). You should be good to one another and help each other.

Some peoples have given Isa (pbuh) the name Jesus. They say that Allah (SWT) is the father of Jesus. We don’t know if this is true. Allah (SWT) has no sons. Only human beings have sons and daughters.

Isa (pbuh) brought a book to mankind. This book is called Injil, and Allah (SWT) gave this book to Isa (pbuh). In it there are many stories and it is also stated there that mankind should worship only Allah (SWT).

Prophet Isa (pbuh) had many blessings from Allah (SWT). He was able to perform many miracles with Allah (SWT)’s help. He could cure the sick so that they would be grateful to Allah (SWT) and obey and pray to Allah (SWT) alone.

Prophet Isa (pbuh) told the peoples of another prophet who was going to come later, whose name would be Prophet Ahmad. It was Allah (SWT) who had sent Prophet Isa (pbuh) to the peoples to tell them that Prophet Muhammad would come.

There were many peoples who listened to Prophet Isa (pbuh) and worshipped Allah (SWT), but here were some who refused to listen and wanted to kill him. Evil peoples have always tried to persecute and kill Allah (SWT)’s prophets.

But when the evil peoples were just about to kill Isa (pbuh) Allah (SWT) came to his rescue. Some peopless say that Prophet Isa (pbuh) was nailed onto a cross by his enemies and that he died in this way. But we don’t know if this is true? Allah (SWT) protected Prophet Isa (pbuh) so that the peoples could not carry out their evil intentions. Allah (SWT) said to Isa (pbuh):

Go to Kashmir I will let you die in peace after the age of 128 and then you will come to Me and be with Me. Those who had been following you and prayed to Me and did good will be brought to Me. They will receive the best rewards, because they have been very obedient.

Now you know...please spread your good knowledge of this....Allah be with... humashan (always).

Your trusted friend....Naseem.

Posted by: Naseem at December 19, 2006 4:35 PM

Ahmadinejad you are a funny fellow!

I might not be the most Christian man but for some reason if Jesus were alive I don't he would care much for hanging little girls for getting raped.

In fact I don't think he would have much use for Islam.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at December 19, 2006 4:37 PM

Not to offend any Religious People here , Cause i think Christians are generally Peaceful and tolerant , and Muslims generally , NOT. ( not that i mind offending Muslims )

But does anyone think that Religion itself might be the problem here? All this in the Name of God?It's all pretty Perverse if you ask me.

How proud a God would be to see us Murdering each other in the Billions over the centuries in his name. Everybody thinks their God is the one.

It just seems like Madness to me.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 4:41 PM

Naseem

Muslims worship a different god then Christians.

That much is clear even from a secular man like me.

Facts are Facts...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at December 19, 2006 4:41 PM

Naseem......

Don't kid yourself, you are not a friend, and you will never be trusted.

Posted by: gaelen at December 19, 2006 4:42 PM

Ahmadinejad's friends didn't do all that well in Friday's election which saw an unusually high turn-out of 60%. Perhaps we won't be subjected to his ramblings much longer.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at December 19, 2006 4:43 PM

Naseem

"Prophet Isa (pbuh) told the peoples of another prophet who was going to come later, whose name would be Prophet Ahmad."

Wait the Prophet Ahmad??? Does this make sense to anyone.

Perhaps she means..

http://www.nba.com/tv_programs/IS_ahmad_bio.html

Dam you an NBA fan also!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at December 19, 2006 4:47 PM

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the annointed, only begotten son of God and the Saviour of mankind through His redemptive work of suffering on the cross for all sin, once and for all, Who is God of very God:

Kinda funny the story old Mo made up about Jesus. Obviously he was an ignorant, illiterate, uncultured guy, since he didn't get much right about the scriptures that the Jews already had possessed for centuries.

Hey, did old Mo know that JESUS IS A JEW????????

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at December 19, 2006 4:58 PM

When the Mahdi appears, Commissioner Gordon will send up the signal and Batman will come to our rescue.

Posted by: Jan III Sobieski at December 19, 2006 5:00 PM

Naseem...

Oh wait you are right Muhammed did not have one name...

lots of aka's!

Sort of like prostitutes have aka's like Mary Baker aka Sweet Mary aka Mary Me aka Liza love etc.

So Muhammed's were aka Ahmad aka Little Mo (explains the forced marriges) aka Lord of the Flies aka Lucifer.

etc.

So hard to remember all these names of these petty low lifes. I guess when you don't want people to know who you are (like local law enforcement at the time) you needed names like this.

How come Jesus did not have aka's????

Oh thats right he was not a gangsta.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at December 19, 2006 5:01 PM

Concerned Canadian,

The problem here is not religion - it's political ideology. While Christianity is a religion, Islam is more of a political ideology and a fascist one at that. They fight in the name of God because...well...who hasn't. But fighting is ordered by the religion.

There are individual Muslims who reject that part of the doctrine, but in doing so are no longer considered Muslim by their fellow Muslims and their lives are in grave danger.

Nasseem,

For God's sake, man, you don't even know the Islamic story of Isa properly! What the hell are you talking about - Kashmir, indeed.

Posted by: citycat at December 19, 2006 5:01 PM

I'll be the first to admit I don't know as much as I should about the Religion of Peace(TM). At first, I thought many commenters here were just teasing and making fun. But the more I read this site the more I understand what a perverse belief system this is.
Posted by: Sasha
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Welcome to the club.

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 19, 2006 5:07 PM

If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed with the way his name and life history has been distorted.
Posted by: Naseem at December 19, 2006 04:35 PM

What a load of crap. Christ's existence 500 years before the birth of that plagarizing dog Muhammad(pbuh)is proof enough of Christ's superiority. Christ layed down his life for all. Muhammad raped, pillaged and just got old and went out with a whimper.

It's akin to me taking credit for the discovery of electricity and that Ben Franklin was really working for me a hundred or so years before I was born. Utter nonsense, Like most of the rationale of Islam.

IF Christ had to know what we know today, which is speculative because how can you anticipate a threat that does not yet exist, He should pray behind the Imam Madhi. Thats the best location to stab someone in the back from. Forget WWJD. It really would be WSJD (what should Jesus do).

Maybe I should start a religion. Then I could say that (insert God name here) elected me the Prophet and that Christ and Muhammad were merely lesser prophets who existed well before me.

Wait a minute, that sounds exactly like what Muhammad did and exactly what Islam is. Bad plagarism from an angry, disillusioned shell of a man.

Posted by: awake at December 19, 2006 5:11 PM

Stand fast,

Mohamed WAS illiterate. This is part of Islamic doctrine. This is why the early Arabs were so amazed that Mo came out of the cave speaking in poetry (the Quran is basically bad poetry). The stupid thing is that you can verbalize poetry without being able to read and write a damned thing. So, how this poetry was a miracle is a mystery to me.

However, Mo was a trader and, thus, had a lot of contact with both Christians and Jews and he obviously started out bringing Christianity to the Arabs. However, by this time, all Christians believed that Christ is the son of God (and is God himself God - which is something not all early Christians believed). How could Mo compete with that? So, he had to de-deify Christ and foretell of his own coming. As Mo got more powerful, he also became more corrupt and blood-thirsty.

And, yes, he always knew that Christ was Jewish. When the Jews refused to accept him as a prophet, Mo started receiving all these messages from God about how evil the Jews were (convenient, no?). The fact that Christ himself was a Jew is not worked out in Islam - as logic itself is not present in the religion/political ideology.

Posted by: citycat at December 19, 2006 5:12 PM

If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed with the way his name and life history has been distorted.
Posted by: Naseem at December 19, 2006 04:35 PM

OOOh! Missed that bit.

Let's see now...the documents upon which we rely for Jesus' life story were written by his own apostles. And the determination of the verasity of stories included cross checking those documents.

The documents upon which the Islamic account relies is....well, there aren't any. In fact, Islam relies on no documentation at all. Not one word of the Koran was written down until 65 years after Mohamed's death. Not one word of the Hadith was written down until 250 years after Mohamed's death. In addition, Mohamed couldn't have read any Jewish or Christian texts (and, thus, got the story wrong) because he was completely illiterate.

So, you now come around telling us that Jesus' life story is all messed up based on the unsubstantiated accounts of an ancient Arab trader?

Posted by: citycat at December 19, 2006 5:23 PM

When the Mahdi appears, Commissioner Gordon will send up the signal and Batman will come to our rescue.

Posted by: Jan III Sobieski

*This post made me laugh all over myself, and then to decide to chime in.
On this topic overall, it is patently absurd to think that the Son of God incarnate, Jesus, would have brought a description of a loving and forgiving Father God to us all, only to then say essentially, "But just wait for the last Prophet to come, who will advocate intolerance, murder and intimidation in the name of God, to attain peace."

The account of Jesus (Isa in the Koran) fails completely to mention His resurrection, His appearance to many of His followers, and His ascention into Heaven...a Divine example of how we all should live our lives.
Rather, the world should be driven by Threat and Insinuation, promoted by Mo(the)Ped.
Yeah, if I were illiterate, and Dumb Like Stump, I'd prefer thinking that I could kill indiscrimantly and receive praise for it from my god, too.

Ahmadinejad is a wily, calculating leader, no doubt about it. Associating Jesus and the 12th imam, their return, with world-wide peace...but only after Israel's annihilation.
Not a chance.
What would Jesus do? Now? He'd forgive Muslims for their blindness and ignorance, their error in adhering to Islam.

Posted by: localmalcontent at December 19, 2006 5:25 PM

And one parting thought~
Jesus would remind us all about the false prophets and false religions which would arise in the latter of days.
Sort of a "See, I told you so," remark, though offered gently, lovingly.

Posted by: localmalcontent at December 19, 2006 5:32 PM

When the Mahdi appears, Commissioner Gordon will send up the signal and Batman will come to our rescue.
Posted by: Jan III Sobieski
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LOL!

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 19, 2006 5:33 PM

"The fact that Christ himself was a Jew is not worked out in Islam - as logic itself is not present in the religion/political ideology."

Boy, you can say that again, citycat. Not much is logical in Islam, whereas, "Come let us reason together, saith the Lord, though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as wool."

The Bible foretells many prophesies concerning the Messiah, and Jesus fulfilled them all. Kinda hard to figure out how Jesus did that if He was just another guy like us.

Also, the Bible accurately describes the human condition. We are all sinners in need of redemption.

Lastly, Islam is just another of those religions that believes a man can pray enough, do enough and perform enough rituals to make himself acceptable to a holy God. Only Christianity teaches that God had to come down in the form of Jesus to pay for all of our wrongdoing. It's a gift from God,, done by God and human beings certainly can do nothing to raise ourselves up on the purity scale.

It seems so much more logical and reasonable than Islam, a hodge-podge of platitudes and blithering effusiveness.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at December 19, 2006 5:33 PM

>>Muhammad raped, pillaged and just got old and went out with a whimper.>>

From what I hear, Mohammed died screaming, swearing and sniveling from a poisoned meal one of his rape victims -- a Jewish woman -- prepared.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at December 19, 2006 5:35 PM

'Hey, did old Mo know that JESUS IS A JEW????????'

'Old Mo' was not above taking a Jewish woman as his 'wife' (i.e raping the women he took as slaves after murdering their husbands), and this seems to have been a fairly common practice amongst his followers.

So what happened to the children of these slaves? How many were then brought up as Mohammedans, despite their Jewish ancestry?

And how much Jewish blood is there now in the descendants of these barbarians?

Could it be that these people who never tire of spouting hatred for Jews are in fact part Jewish themselves?

Posted by: Aardvark at December 19, 2006 5:36 PM

Yeah, good one, aardvark! :)

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at December 19, 2006 5:37 PM

Islamism is a form of the anti-Christ.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 19, 2006 5:39 PM

Islam is a usurper of souls, cultures, and civilizations.

This is the exciting thing about Islam. Like a boa constrictor, it can unhook its jaws to swallow and dissolve anything, even other boas.

This all goes back to when Mohammed-the-gigolo in his leisure time apparently engaged a rabbi to expose him to the Old Testament, and then another consultant to bring him the New Testament.

When Mohammed started weaving his ridiculously fractured admixture of Judeo-Christianity (in some cases placing Jewish prophets out of sequence and a thousand years out of place), some of the local Yathribian Jews started making wise cracks about what a dumbass Mohammed was.

And the Jews were right: Mohammed was indeed a dumbass. But their mistake came out when Mohammed emerged from the mosque with the revelation that God was pissed at the Jews and Christians for corrupting Islam, the true source of divinity.

And thus followed a 10-yr string of God commandments to slaughter Jews and Christians and pagans and anybody else who got in the way of Global Sharia.

* 2:216 * 4:74 * 9:111 * 8:12 * 4:96 * 56:22 * 38:51 * 55:56 * 55:76 * 56:22 * 8:74 * 9:2 *

And here we are, nearly 1,400 yrs later getting consumed or, better put, subsumed, by the Mohammedans. Kiss your soul, culture, and civilization goodbye. Or fight.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 19, 2006 5:40 PM

From what I hear, Mohammed died screaming, swearing and sniveling from a poisoned meal one of his rape victims -- a Jewish woman -- prepared.
Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter
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Actually, mohammed died of fever. So yeah, mohammed went out with a whimper indeed.

Death
In 632 Muhammad fell ill and suffered for several days with head pain and weakness. He succumbed on Monday, 0632-06-08, in the city of Medina, at the age of sixty-three. He is buried in the Muhammad's tomb in the Mosque of the Prophet in Medina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed#Death

Posted by: EliasAlucard at December 19, 2006 5:40 PM

Islam came several hundred years after Christianity. Quuran is simply a bad cut, paste and edit of Old Jews scripts and Christian Bible. If you don't believe that you deserve to be a Muslim, otherwise, you will determine by yourself that QuuRan has nothing new to offer to humanity. Nearly forgot, Mo introduced Jihad, for which the Moslims worship him to eternity.

This Paki guy Naseem is a clown. If I hadn’t known he was a Paki, I would have betted hundred bucks that he is from Pakistan, because his posts are so out of whack and so laughable. Btw..Naseem is a Muslim therefore he enjoys deceiving us by make believe that he is a women. Moslims don’t let their women discuss in the forums, if found out they are dead meat.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at December 19, 2006 5:42 PM

Just found this poem:

Islam is a Peaceful Religion
http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/JoeIslamPeace.htm

Al

Posted by: allat at December 19, 2006 5:57 PM

I think everybody should send Mahmoud a nice Christmas Present, a Copy of the Bible in Farsi, or Persian containing the new Testament of Jesus in any bible version they prefer.

Make sure to address it to President Mahmoud Amadinejad Teheran, Iran

Posted by: Mackie at December 19, 2006 6:00 PM

And how about a copy of his favorite movie to go with the Bibles

http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/12min.htm

Posted by: Mackie at December 19, 2006 6:05 PM

'I think everybody should send Mahmoud a nice Christmas Present, a Copy of the Bible in Farsi, or Persian ...

Make sure to address it to President Mahmoud Amadinejad Teheran, Iran'

Posted by: Mackie

I've a better present in mind, preemptive and proactive in nature.

Posted by: localmalcontent at December 19, 2006 6:08 PM

Aardvark, i have wondered about the DNA thing.

Here is something i found from wiki, know it aint 100% reliable but still, take a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi#DNA_clues

Posted by: MrTommyAtkins at December 19, 2006 6:20 PM

OT: I like the way Jewish organizations are responding to the weird "Jewish" guys who attended the recent Holocaust denial conference in Iran. Too bad the "moderate" Muslim organizations of the world don't act so swiftly and decisively against "Muslim extremists".

http://jewishworldreview.com/jonathan/rosenblum_impostors.php3
Jewish World Review Dec. 19, 2006
Impostors in Chassidic garb
By Jonathan Rosenblum

Posted by: Josephine at December 19, 2006 6:31 PM

Here's what the SAUDIS do to Jesus

*Stewardess 'banned from taking bible on plane'*
By Laura Clout
Last Updated: 12:51pm GMT 19/12/2006

An air stewardess is claiming religious discrimination against an airline which she says banned her from taking the Bible to Saudi Arabia.
The stewardess has been told by BMI that it is against the law of the insular Middle Eastern country to bring in religious books other than the Koran.
The woman, who is understood to be a committed Christian, takes her bible everywhere she goes and is now set to take the airline to an industrial tribunal claiming discrimination on religious grounds.
AdvertisementBMI, formerly British Midland Airways, said today it was merely following the Foreign Office advice that no non-Islamic materials or artefacts are allowed into the country. A spokesman from the airline said: "We issue advice to all our staff and passengers that these are the guidelines.
"She is saying she wants to carry her bible with her. We are saying we can't start designing rules around individuals when we've got several hundred members of staff. To take every personal preference into account would be impossible."
On its web site the Foreign Office says of Saudi Arabia: "The importation and use of narcotics, alcohol, pork products and religious books, apart from the Koran, and artefacts are forbidden."
BMI said it offered the stewardess the opportunity to transfer from long-haul duties to short-haul, but she refused.

The case follows that of British Airways worker Nadia Eweida, also committed Christian, whose objection to BA rules which forbade her visibly wearing a cross led to a review by BA of its uniform policy.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/12/19/ubible119.xml

SO LETS WAIT TO HEAR WHAT CAIR AND MR.HOOPER HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS BIGOTRY TO CHRISTIANS,

Posted by: ala-sux at December 19, 2006 6:32 PM

The funniest bumper sticker I ever saw said:

JESUS I COMING SOON AND IS HE PISSED!!!

Hey- Read your Bible- He aint no little milk-toast. HE comes back this time on his White Horse with judgement for the Nations!! After that, read about the Peace that consumes all the Earth.

Yes Sir- The B-I-B-L-E thats the book for me!

Posted by: guide inside at December 19, 2006 6:35 PM

Left out the "S" in "IS".

Should be- Jesus "IS" coming soon.

Posted by: guide inside at December 19, 2006 6:39 PM

If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed with the way his name and life history has been distorted

On the other hand, if Muhammad were alive today, would he be pleased with the way present-day radical Muslims claim to pattern their lives after him?

Posted by: yadayada at December 19, 2006 6:43 PM

Not to offend any Religious People here , Cause i think Christians are generally Peaceful and tolerant , and Muslims generally , NOT. ( not that i mind offending Muslims )

Concerned Canadian,

I totally understand where you are coming from. Indeed, much evil has been done in the name of religion. The early Crusaders, for example, had a very imperfect understanding of Christianity. By misinterpreting scripture, based on the limited knowledge they had at the time, they killed out of the name of religion. As has every other major religion that I'm aware of.

However, awhile back here at JW, someone mentioned something about a "3rd extreme position" i.e. assuming that all religions are evil and form the basis of human suffering. Communism seemed to thrive on this belief but we see where that lead. In fact, more people have been murdered under atheistic belief systems than any organized religion. I take it The Religion of Peace(TM) might seek to break those records?

Religion is intertwined with culture and not all done in the name of religion is evil. Far from it. Children have been fed, the naked clothed, and the suffering administered to in the name of religion. And while we don't want a theocratic government in the western world, we can recognize that many of our formal western laws were based on religious beliefs as is our culture to some degree (much less now than in the past).

Someone once said, "Yes, but you can't legislate morality." Contrare, we do it every day with, for example, the 10 commandments -- "Thou shalt not murder" "Thou shalt not steal" etc. etc.

And no, that doesn't and shouldn't have to threaten non-religious folks.

Anyway, I got your point. Any "religion" that commands its followers to go out and murder infidels, to me, is a cult. And I don't mind offending them either. ;)

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 6:45 PM

There has got to be JUST ONE person in Iran who has the balls and the brains to wipe this dangerous moron off the face of the earth!

I simply cannot bear these islamidiots comparing their piece of S*** koran with any single parts of the Bible - Judaism or Christianity.

I consider it one of the most offensive things I have come across,,,on top of all their murders, terrorim, threats,,,,,,well,you all know what I mean.

Posted by: Gramfan at December 19, 2006 6:48 PM

The problem here is not religion - it's political ideology. While Christianity is a religion, Islam is more of a political ideology and a fascist one at that. They fight in the name of God because...well...who hasn't. But fighting is ordered by the religion.

There are individual Muslims who reject that part of the doctrine, but in doing so are no longer considered Muslim by their fellow Muslims and their lives are in grave danger.

Posted by: citycat

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Well put Citycat , i do agree that Islam is a Fascist Ideology . It is not just a Religion , But a HOW TO manual to Live by...or else!

I also did not want to Imply Christians were in any way similar to Islamists in ideology or actions . I have many many Christian Friends and i know the score and it's no contest as to which side i stand with. The point i guess i was trying to make is how much each side puts their Faith into this fight.
I read Chapter and Verse quoted by both Sides so much it's kinda freaky.
I just see the Religious Aspects as fueling the Fires.

Separation of church and state was implemented in the West for Good reason.that is why
Islam should and MUST be brought Down because it will never live peacefully with anyone with a different ideology . It's been proven time and again.

Anyway Christianity is a beautiful way for those who accept Peace and tolerance and love their fellow man. I give respect for that. Islam ? , well what can i say?

Not a lot.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 6:55 PM

There is also a reply on the topic of "tolerance" elsewhere.

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 7:02 PM

My one question from the Christians is: What would Jesus do if he were present in the world today? What would he do before some of the oppressive powers of the world who are in fact residing in Christian countries? Which powers would he revive and which of them would he destroy?" the Iranian president asked.

Christians already know what Jesus did before the oppressive powers under which He was born, i.e. the Roman empire....

• He healed their servants.


• He loved, blessed, and did good to those who persecuted, hated, struck, and cursed Him.


• He rendered unto Caesar what was Caesar's.


• He spoke civilly with the Herods, Pilates, Roman centurions and soldiers, not to mention the Pharisees, allowing Himself to be crucified by them.

But as a Muslim, Ahmadinejad doesn't believe in any of this anyway, so what's the point of him asking Christians "what would Jesus do"?

Posted by: yadayada at December 19, 2006 7:02 PM

What would Jesus do ,he asks? Read the Bible and see for yourself lunatic.

No matter what kind of twist or slant these people put on islam or christianity it comes out the same to me.

In my opinion i guess you could say i do believe in thier 12th imam story,after all all the devil did was take the true words of God dictated to the world by his son,Jesus and spin it into the koran and mightyly twisted i might add.

i suppose it's safe to say that if Jesus says he will return to bring right the world,well then the devil would want his minions in thier deep illusions of grandier to know he will be there too.

All one has to do is read both books to see just which is the real mccoy.On one hand you have a savior telling his followers to sheath the sword and spread the good words by mouth and example.On the other hand you have a book that tells it's followers to kill all those who choose not to believe in thier God or enslave them and make them lesser people,in other words spread the koran by the sword and use the horrific example of muhammad as the words to do so.

I don't care if i offend islam over my comments for the very reason they put fear in the devil and his zombies that the fires they will one day feel because of the fact that thier deeds and tactics will never weaken the faith and justice doled out by the one true God.

I fail to see how islam raving about how they uphold Jesus is supposed to gladen my heart when how they do it makes it sound like Jesus is just another obeying infedel falling to the heels of muhammad.

The fools that run around telling the rest to behave and get along because islam and christianity believe and worship the same God are just that,fools and more than likely only have faith in the almighty dollar.Anyone with inteligence can read the Bible from start to finish,or just anyone who can read.Those who try to read the koran may as well cut the whole thing up into a jigsaw puzzle and read it that way.

So far i guess it's safe to say the true God and his son Jesus used inteligent people and delivered devine inteligence in order to make the Bible understandable.Too bad the same couldn't be said for the koran and islam.

Yes God and his son Jesus Christ did some terrible things in Jesus's time here on earth but have any considered the reasons for this action?Does any remember the promise that he made after he destroyed all the unholy or unworthy with the great flood?

I like science myself.I find it interesting and it contributes to humanity ( even with the thread of destroying humanity) but one of satans greatest tools and weopons is to make man believe that there is no God.And we are all cursed from the days of adam and eve with the thirst for knowledge.What does this mean? Is it the thirst for knowledge of the realism of God,or the thirst of knowledge to be like God?There also could be a category of those who wish to have knowledge over God,this brings us to the devil the hater of Gods creation.

One must really sit back and think about these words here..."there was a war in heaven,satan and his angels rose up against God and his angels." This sentence brings infinite wonder to my mind of just what is heaven like,how will heaven be,what will we do in heaven?Fall to the other side now and ask what would it be like if you were not to go to heaven,what awaits a soul there?

Sorry imanutajoba ( iranian nut case)but what would jesus do? He would tell you that you are headed for the wrong place my friend and that there is only one way to change that path but he won't see it in your future or the zombie horde for that matter because you have no reguard for his creations much like the god allah has taught you to have none for because he hates them far more than you,because he is not the God that created them.he is the one that relishes and revels in the joy everytime he collects a zombie soul at the gate.

What would jesus do? You ask this of imperfect people who live by perfect words.What would allah do? We see it everyday still ,from the time of the twisted words sent to muhammad.We ask this of imperfect people with illusions of devine inteligence and guidence.Too bad allah had no time for the creation of compassion or a concience in the islamic mind.

Standing in the light waiting for the day of days

Dar al-harb

Posted by: Dar al-harb at December 19, 2006 7:05 PM

The Shia also belive that Baghdad will be destroyed by a bolt from the sky...Mahmoud is building that bolt!...That should serve as a warning about our troops in Iraq!

Posted by: storagemanager at December 19, 2006 7:10 PM

citycat,

Have you left Islam?

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 19, 2006 7:10 PM

Naseem,

Nice attempt at a Christmas story. Good to see you getting into the spirit.

Have you read Athanasius, On the Incarnation, yet? You still need some help understanding the Trinity.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 19, 2006 7:14 PM

Dear Sasha:

You and Concerned Canadian and others (primarily Muslims who use it as a badge of honor) need to read up on the crusades.

First, they didn't occur out of the blue. They were preceded by two-plus centuries of Muslim invasion, conquest and killing. Muslims were denying Christians access to the holy places of Jerusalem. (Sound familiar?)

Second, the crusades were not an attempt to wipe out Islam in the holy land. They were an attempt to free the Holy Sepulchre and the other historic areas of Jerusalem and prevent their destruction by Islamists.

Third, even then Muslims preferred to live under Christian rule. What does that say about Islam in its "golden age"?

Lastly, the crusades were just another of many skirmishes that were occurring between the Byzantine and Islamic empires. They affected only a fraction of the Middle East and actually fragmented Muslims, rather than uniting them. At their height they meant nothing to Iraq and the caliphate, or to Iran and central Asia.

Unlike the Islamic conquests, the crusades were not a drive to control the world, but a limited endeavor with specific goals. Today they make great propaganda for Islamists, to the point that the very word "crusade" is offensive, but then again Muslims have a deep persecution complex. It's what keeps them going.

The words of a Spanish scholar of the time are revealing and should be presented to any Muslim living in the West:

"There can be no excuse in the eyes of God for a Muslim to stay in any infidel country, except when passing through it."

Sounds like they prefer apartheid.

Posted by: PMK at December 19, 2006 7:26 PM

Dar al-harb

I appreciate your honesty.

Jesus said he first came with love but they do not welcome HIm, but the next time He comes, He will come with a whip.

In the book of revelations says He will pour the cup of wrath.

"Fear not those who can kill you, but fear He who can kill your soul" He said.

I escaped from the Islamic persecutions. I am a living testimony.

Posted by: ssa at December 19, 2006 7:34 PM

What would Jesus do if he were present in the world today?

Jesus never left us - he is always with us.

Posted by: DP111 at December 19, 2006 7:34 PM

What would Jesus DO?

He would condemn Islam for teaching first-degree murder!

And he would (we think) condemn creeps like Ahmadinejad for being mass murderers.

Posted by: pythagoras at December 19, 2006 7:35 PM

You and Concerned Canadian and others (primarily Muslims who use it as a badge of honor) need to read up on the crusades.

Posted by: PMK

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I don't see how the Crusades are relevant to my question about Religion getting in the way of peace. and it feels weird being lumped with Muslims as far as your point goes. really weird. So stop!.lol

I come here because i do Get what Islam is and the threat it faces. I'm no Dummie, er i mean Dhimmi! LOL.

i READ Roberts book the " P.I.G guide to Islam and the Crusades " and his other books too. I get it . i know that the Crusades were not an offensive act , but defensive.

I just asked a simple Question. Being that i don't follow any Religion myself ,so from my POV it gets a bit strange and scarey to see chapter and verse Quoted back and Forth. I see it more as Islam as a Violent Runaway Cult that is against all things pure, good and Right in the World. NOT just other Religions like Christianity. We are all in this fight, not just your people.

So no offence but don't assume i'm uneducated about Islam. i am not.

peace

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 7:37 PM

Sudanese Islamists have a problem with Iran too:

SUDAN: ISLAMISTS ACCUSE IRAN OF PROMOTING SHIITISM

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 19, 2006 7:41 PM

Concerned --

"Nice attempt at a Christmas story" LOL!!

Naseem --

Not only do you need to educate yourself on who Jesus is to the Christian, but you also need to study up on what being a 'friend' is as well.

Posted by: champ at December 19, 2006 7:43 PM

Hey common guys, don't take life so seriously ,
You will never get out of it alive!

this ought to make you lighten up

http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/12/from-funny-to-obnoxious.html#links

Posted by: Cyberray at December 19, 2006 7:50 PM

Thanks for that information PMK. My point was actually that people have been killed in the name of religion. That was all. And I did think that was relevant to your question about Religion getting in the way of peace Concerned Canadian.

But I could have misunderstood you. I'll pay more attention in the future. Bad analogy? Perhaps but I'm no dummie either.

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 8:00 PM

Lighten up people. We're all on the same side. I know what you meant Sash.

"don't assume i'm uneducated about Islam. i am not."

Nobody is assuming that CC. You said:

"But does anyone think that Religion itself might be the problem here? All this in the Name of God?It's all pretty Perverse if you ask me."

Remember that? whatever. peace.

Posted by: Infidelus Maximus at December 19, 2006 8:13 PM

HAIR-RAISING SIMILARITIES BETWEEN CHRISTIAN AND ISLAMIC END-TIME'S BELIEFS:

p.s. sorry about the long post
p.s.s. all this and much more is available from the brilliant and FREE book "Will Islam Be Our Future?" Downloadable at...

http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm

· Bible: The Antichrist is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will that emerge in the last-days.
· Islam: The Mahdi is an unparalleled political, military and religious leader that will emerge in the last-days.

· Bible: the False Prophet is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days who will support the Antichrist.
· Islam: the Muslim Jesus is a secondary prominent figure that will emerge in the last-days to support the Mahdi.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet together will have a powerful army that will do great damage to the earth in an effort to subdue every nation and dominate the World.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will have a powerful army that will attempt to control every nation of the earth and dominate the World.

· Bible: The False Prophet is described essentially as a dragon in lamb’s clothing.
· Islam: The Muslim Jesus literally comes bearing the name of the one that the world knows as “The Lamb of God: Jesus Christ.” Yet the Muslim Jesus comes to murder all those who do not submit to Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet establish a New World Order.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus establish a New World Order.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet institute new laws for the whole earth.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus institute Islamic law all over the earth.

· Bible: The Antichrist is said to “change the times.”
· Islam: It is quite certain that if the Mahdi established Islam all over the earth, he would discontinue the use of Saturday and Sunday as the weekend or days of rest but rather Friday, the holy day of Islam. Also, he would most certainly eliminate the Gregorian calendar (A.D.), and replace it with the Islamic calendar (A. H.) as is used in every Islamic country.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will both be powerful religious leaders who will attempt to institute a universal world religion.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will institute Islam as the only religion in the earth.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will execute anyone who does not submit to their world religion.
· Islam: Likewise, the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will execute anyone who does not submit to Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will specifically use beheading as the primary means of execution for non-conformists.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will use the Islamic practice of beheading for executions.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will have a specific agenda to kill as many Jews as possible.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will kill as many Jews as is possible until only a few are left hiding behind rocks and trees.

· Bible: The Antichrist and the False Prophet will attack to conquer and seize Jerusalem.
· Islam: The Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus will attack to re-conquer and seize Jerusalem for Islam.

· Bible: The Antichrist will set himself up in the Jewish temple as his seat of authority.
· Islam: The Mahdi will establish the Islamic Caliphate from Jerusalem.

· Bible: The False Prophet is said to do many miracles to deceive as many as possible into supporting the Antichrist.
· Islam: The Mahdi himself is said to control the weather and the crops. His face is said to glow. We can also assume that since Jesus is viewed as having been empowered by Allah to work miracles when he was here on earth the first time, he will most likely be expected to continue to do so when he returns.

· Bible: The Antichrist is described as riding on a white horse in the Book of Revelation
· Islam: The Mahdi is described as riding on a white horse (ironically from the same verse).

· Bible: The Antichrist is said to make a peace treaty with Israel for seven years.
· Islam: The Mahdi is said to make a peace treaty through a Jew (specifically a Levite) for exactly seven years.

· Bible: Jesus the Jewish Messiah will return to defend the Jews in Israel from a military attack from a vast coalition of nations led by the Antichrist and the False Prophet.
· Islam: The Dajjal, the Islamic Antichrist will gain a great Jewish following and claim to be Jesus Christ and fight against the Mahdi and the Muslim Jesus.

· Bible: The antichrist spirit specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.
· Islam: Islam doctrinally and spiritually specifically denies the most unique and central doctrines of Christianity, namely the trinity, the incarnation and the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross.

· Bible: The primary warning of Jesus and the Apostle Paul was to warn Christians of the abundance of deceit and deception in the last-days.
· Islam: Islam is perhaps the only religion in the earth that practices deceit as one of its tools to assist its own ascendancy. It actually has a specific doctrine which allows and even calls for deception to be used to achieve its desired end.

· Bible: The specific nations pictured in the Bible as being part of the final empire of the Antichrist are all Islamic nations.
· Islam: All Muslims are commanded to give their allegiance to The Mahdi as the final Caliph and Imam (leader) of Islam.

· Bible: From the Bible and History we learn that the final Antichrist empire will be a revived version of the Empire that succeeds the Roman Empire
· Islam: The Empire that succeeded the Roman/Byzantine Empire was the Islamic Ottoman Empire

· Bible: When Antichrist emerges, there will already be some form of system in place that will be poised to receive him as a Savior and to give allegiance to him.
· Islam is already the second largest religion and will at present growth rates become the largest religion within a few decades. Islam is awaiting the coming of the Mahdi with a universal anticipation.

Posted by: DiscipleofJesusChrist at December 19, 2006 8:14 PM

Well i certainly was not looking to offend Christians, Hence my saying " No offence "

Also i don't think all religions are Evil, I'm certainly not one of those people either.

The point i was making is that i don't see it helpful to throw Religious Doctrine back and Forth. Will that really help? That's what i meant by " Fueling the Fire "

But Islam IS considered a Mainstream Religion, like Christianity and i was making a point about that. I personally Think Islam is a Violent Dominating Cult, Unlike peaceful Religions.

I guess i don't see the Crusades thing as relevant cause i was in no way implying that Christians were aggressive or that Muslims are Victims . Cause they are Both , not

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 8:15 PM

Did anyone fail to point out to the little iranian with the Napolian Syndrome that Jesus was a Jew?

Even if they argue that point they say he was only a prophet and not the Son of God, so....a mere man....but again, born of a Jew.

And the opression that Jesus will be 'wiping out'could be viewed in Ahmadinejad's mirror. I would be happy if Jesus would wait a while and let the U.S. Marines take care of the problem.

Although there are a couple of chapters in the Bible that talk about Israel wiping out Persia, destroying all buildings and killing all plants, and flocks will not be able to graze in Persia. It sounds to me that Israel may be taking care of Persia with a little glow in the dark method.

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at December 19, 2006 8:16 PM

Nobody is assuming that CC. You said:

"But does anyone think that Religion itself might be the problem here? All this in the Name of God?It's all pretty Perverse if you ask me."

Remember that? whatever. peace.

Posted by: Infidelus Maximus

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Not a fair Question?

And saying i need to learn about the Crusades implies i am Ignorant about Islams History.

anyway , let's all be friends.

We are on the same team at JW.

At least i feel we are.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 8:17 PM

Someone point out that Jesus is present in our world today. Unlike Allah or Mohammod. Allah was created in the imagination of a pedophile (Mohammod)that was a man and died with no powers or authority.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at December 19, 2006 8:21 PM

Naseem,
Thank-you for enlightening me to the truth about Jesus. However, I now feel sorry for the 2.1 billion people (one-third population of Earth) who are still being fooled by that ancient crucifixion nonsense. Why won't those foolish billions acknowledge that the truth was finally revealed 600+ years later in the Qur'an which is the perfect, unquestionable truth for all mankind for all time?

Perhaps when the muddy spring is located where the sun sets (Surah 18:86 of the "perfect" Qur'an) those billions of fools will finally recognize truth.

Posted by: Xero G at December 19, 2006 8:32 PM

I agree CC. Sash was trying to give an answer. Maybe she should have used Northern Ireland--Protestants against Catholics as an example of bad things done in the name of Religion. I dont know. but I think her heart was in the right place and I got the point.

Posted by: Infidelus Maximus at December 19, 2006 8:32 PM

It's all good Sasha . I know nobody meant to offend. Least of all me.

Let's move on.

Back to Ahmadinejerk and his insanity! , lol

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 8:35 PM

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God Who was slain before the foundation of the world:

DiscipleofJesusChrist, that is a fascinating comparison. Thanks for that study.

It provides clear evidence that Mohammed's "visions" were not just mental illness or epilepsy, but structured revelations from the enemy of men's souls, Satan.

A very merry Christmas to all of you, and may we all be given abundant discernment to sift through the enormous amount of information we all have access to through the internet. Truth is truth, no matter how often people say it is not.

Posted by: Stand fast in the liberty at December 19, 2006 8:37 PM

To Concerned and Sasha:

My apologies. I meant no offense.
Sasha, you brought up the crusades in your post and Concerned started with talking about the bad things that have been done in the name of religion. That is usually code for the Crusades whenever the Middle East comes up.
Sorry if I offended you. It wasn't intended.

Posted by: PMK at December 19, 2006 8:43 PM

Thanx PMK. I shouldn't have used that as an example [hitting self in the head with a hammer]! You're exactly correct.

Posted by: Sasha at December 19, 2006 8:56 PM

It's cool PMK / Sasha. ( Smile )

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 8:57 PM

Thats right SSA. There is no amount of torture,no amount of pain one could recieve from this world delivered by a mere man that should make you rebuke the true God and his Son.

Why? Because the father punishes even after death and for eternity with a far harsher punishment.

SSA,May i ask you a question? you say you survived the scourage of islam? If by that you mean you converted from islam let me ask you this.

Do muslim husbands and wives tell eachother they love one another? Do the parents tell thier kids they love them?

You see love is very powerful,it could bring down the fireiest jihad.It could even silence the most powerful mullah.If allah isn't loving his children,maybe his children should start loving eachother.

NASEEM,this comment is for you.It must be hard to be muslim but a non muslim.Oh how you must long for a country,a soul without a country.How goes the plans to islamize the west? Decided yet which sect will be the big boss? will there be any of us infedels to witness the religions of peace fighting one another to see who is the most peaceful and deserves to rule the world.

You make me laugh naseem,but you make me sad too.You see i know you are lost so lost you search for a way to make your existance when you have been given one.You have been given an existance and a purpose.What purpose naseem? That depends on which existance you decide to reside in.

But enough on naseem,i feel he /she just comes for the attention but is surely and tremendously lost.

Posted by: Dar al-harb at December 19, 2006 8:59 PM

City cat Didn't muhammad pay writers or poets and didn't he have the verses of the torrah brought to him?

I was under the impression that he even killed one or two because he either wasn't satisfied with thier work or just didn't want to pay. (probably the latter)

Also people keep saying how iliterate muhammad was,yet they make him out to be so briliant as to be able to create the sytems in islam.Perhaps this is proof that he was visited by an inteligent being,JUST NOT THE GOOD ONE THEY ALL THINK!!!!!

Posted by: Dar al-harb at December 19, 2006 9:10 PM

Since we're quoting the Scriptures here, I like to provide the quote that I'm reminded of when Muslims talk:

"Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me, but in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'
"Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." Mark 7:6-8

Posted by: ofcourse at December 19, 2006 9:21 PM

#1 rule is never ask a question that you don't want an answer to- Mahmoud- Jesus would annihilate you and anyone else that have oppressed his people and murdered them and been hostile to God's word. Bible lesson over! http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop at December 19, 2006 9:23 PM

OT (just a little)
Here is a good metal band that is on the right track.
Hope you jihadis enjoy...
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Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 19, 2006 9:26 PM

So Jesus will return with this Mahdi character, break the cross and kill all non Muslims? Call me stupid but I don't buy this at all. I didn't when I read the Koran and I don't buy it now. Leave it to Islamania to take anything and everything in order to defile it and advance their warped causes.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 19, 2006 9:45 PM

I can tell you what Jesus would'nt do, and maybe a little of what he would do:

He wouldn't relegate females to the status of goats and camels, and, at best, a piece of property.

He wouldn't put females at the mercy and disposal of Males for purely sexual gratification.

He wouldn't permit frightened 9 year girls to be given in marriage to men 50 yrs their senior.

He wouldn't permit decapitation of those who reject him for whatever reason.

He wouldn't allow for Women to be buried up to their necks and stoned for sexual indiscretions.

He wouldn't allow for the cutting off of arms and legs because he felt insulted by someone.

He wouldn't call Jews and Christians pigs and Apes.

He wouldn't promise young men a place in his Kingdom if they kill themselves and others in his name.

He wouldn't permit forced conversion of those who reject him.

He wouldn't glorify violence against anyone.

He wouldn't allow lieing and deception to promote his cause.

He wouldn't take second place to any false Prophets.

He would free Any Muslim from spiritual bondage if asked.

Posted by: rational at December 19, 2006 9:48 PM

Allah's Apostle said ... He (Jesus) ... will ... abolish the Jizya tax.

Yes, He certainly will; however, it won't go down quite the way the "apostle" predicted.

muhammad will confess, his knee will bow, and then he will be cast into the lake of fire.

And , maybe, if Gabriel's in a good mood, he will reveal to muhammad the fallen angel who masqueraded as him in that Arabian cave so long ago.

Posted by: senatortombstone at December 19, 2006 9:51 PM

What would Jesus do?
Just stand back, you are about to find out.
Read the Revelation of Jesus Christ. He is no suffering sacrifice this time.
The lake of fire is prepared for the devil and his associates. allah and his murdering hordes will find themselves on the wrong side of God.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 19, 2006 9:52 PM

What would Jesus do? Jesus would clearly and plainly tell us that Mahdi is the anti-Christ his prophets have warned the world about. Then, Jesus would ask us Christians use patience and gentile persuasion to convent the deceived Muslims to Christianity.

On the other hand, what would Mahdi do? He would denounce Jesus, and tell Christians to convert to Islam or die by the sword. I expect the jizya tax would no longer be an option.

Posted by: Bad_Attitude_Infidel at December 19, 2006 10:15 PM

"Perhaps this is proof that he was visited by an inteligent being,JUST NOT THE GOOD ONE THEY ALL THINK!!!!!"

Dare I ask ? Like the Enlil/Jehovah?

The more I read this site and hear and read of islam and the koran, the more the hair in my back of my neck stand up. This "angel" that gave the "message" to mo' - may be no angel after all. IF we read this right, some beings out there hate us to death.

Allat

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Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 19, 2006 10:20 PM

Proverbs 8:13
To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech-

Mr. Nut Job--you will find out what he WILL do.

Gal 1:7-9 but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Rev 19:20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur...Rev 20:10 and the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Posted by: BB at December 19, 2006 10:20 PM

This "angel" that gave the "message" to mo' - may be no angel after all.

Allat

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Well according to the Satanic Versus , it may have been Satan who was talking through Muhammad all along. not Gabriel

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 19, 2006 10:24 PM

I want to thank MusHuntCowboy for making sense of Naseem. I couldn't quite believe that the posts were from a woman. Naseem did say he was from LaWhore(spelling correction needed?) but I had a lot of problems with the postings and subject matters that Naseem posted on.

Posted by: credit man at December 19, 2006 10:38 PM