Great for Goode. I hope he never apologizes (he has no reason to-if the truth is painful then that's too bad) no matter how much pressure is applied to him. And I'm sure a great deal of pressure WILL be applied. Let common sense prevail once in a long while.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 21, 2006 7:42 AM

BRAVO!!!....Stick to your guns, baby, and keep the Quran out of my country's laws!...And as for immigration, reforms are desperately needed, otherwise, not only with Shira law prevail, but so will an influx of illegals coming up from Mexico....This has to stop!....Build the friggen wall!!!!!.....

Posted by: Oiznop at December 21, 2006 7:51 AM

To swear by the koran, while the koran gives leave to lie, vitiates the central purpose of the oath and makes a mockery of it.

To hell with these liars dissemblers and deceivers, also known as jihadis and followers of that child rapist Mohammad.

Talking to, or worse, being advised by an islamist, is an exercise in stupidity.

God bless America and give her victory.

Posted by: dgene at December 21, 2006 7:55 AM

One of four hundred and thirty five. Now we're even.

Posted by: limes at December 21, 2006 7:57 AM

Uh!Oh!- I think I hear Katie, Rosie, (and all of the other MSM whack jobs)!! That evil republican. It is funny to see CNN written on top of this story. They'll be all over this, while Al-Q smuggles some nukes under our noses. Its funny how all these MSM, yuppie p.c.types have a billion 911/Busch conspiracy theories. The real conspiracy is the MSM aiding and abbetting(sp?) our enemy. I applaude Rep.Goode for keeping his backbone.

Posted by: americanmadestrat at December 21, 2006 8:00 AM

The congessman's choosing as a defense the lying verse from the Quran is what I call softball.

The Quran in effect calls for the overthrow of our Constitution.

Ellison should be tried for treason.

Posted by: paulc37 at December 21, 2006 8:00 AM

109 AL-KAFIRUN(jew and christian)- THE INFIDELS

In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

Say: O infidels![1] I worship not that which you worship,[the G*d of abraham][2] nor will you worship that which I worship
[the pagan moon god allah].[3] I shall never worship those gods whom you worship,[4] nor it
appears will you ever worship Allah, whom I worship.[5] to you be your religion, and
to me mine.[6] 109:[1-6]

Though muslims recite this surah over and over to show the tolerance of islam, what it actually shows is that allah is not the G*d of Abraham!

surah 9}_29,Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) ""WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH"" and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Messenger and do not embrace the religion of truth (Al-Islam), until they pay Jizya (protection tax) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.[29]

In the above ayah allah admits that he(allah) is not the G*d of Abraham, the Jew and Christian worship! If as we believe there is but one G*d, then allah is an imposter, allah is satan!
To permit the qu'ran to be showcased in the whitehouse and government ofices would be the equivilance of showcasing a satanic manual or hitlers mein kamfh!

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 8:03 AM

"Rep. Goode's Islamophobic remarks send a message of intolerance that is unworthy of anyone elected to public office," the council's Corey Saylor said in a statement. "There can be no reasonable defense for such bigotry."

Muslims are totally unapologetic defenders of their societies and values (not allowing Christian proselytization, the Saudi's confiscating Bibles etc etc). How DARE Muslims suggest that we infidels have no right to defend our own societies and values against their stated intentions of using the demographic weapon to eventually conquer us and subjugate us under Sharia law! We have EVERY moral right to defend ourselves, starting first and foremost by democratically deciding on who has the right to come here and live! If CAIR is so damned concerned about bigotry then they ought to first address the intolerance that is rampant in Muslim societies where infidels live as second-class dhimmies.

"Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye." --Luke 6:42

Posted by: Caroline at December 21, 2006 8:07 AM

It's funny how that poor, oppressed muslim 'student' was humiliated that a congressman did not have anything on the wall from the koran. I'd like to ask the student: If islam is supposedly the third Abrahamic faith, then why aren't the 10 Commandments part of islam as they are the other two Abrahamic faiths? I would also have said that our currency has 'In God We Trust', not 'In Allah We Trust', because we don't trust allah.

Posted by: Rick at December 21, 2006 8:09 AM

Ellison should be tried for treason.

Can he be impeached before he takes office?

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 8:20 AM

The Council on American-Islamic Relations asked Goode to apologize.

His reply could be to lift his leg and PTHTHTHTh

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 8:21 AM

Caroline-

The theme in all the gospels re hypocrisy-deception being from "the evil one" is much of the message of Jesus. Again and again he comes back to that theme, as he greets Nathaniel ("an Israelite in whom there is no guile"), his condemnation of deceit-hypocrisy with the Pharisees, when he wrote in the sand the secret sins of the men who said the woman caught in adultery must be stoned as per "the law', in his command to "let your Yes be Yes and your No be No-all else comes from the evil one". The quote of Jesus by Luke is part of the theme.

Though I have great reservations re organized religion, the message of Jesus is powerful re deception. Again and again his anger is directed at deception and hypocrisy, as he gently understands (but does not condone) the sinful nature of humans.

Unfortunately, many of the preachers who pretend they are "Christians" are precisely the frauds he condemned and he said he would not recognize them. Jesus saw through the deceivers and shouted from the roof tops re their deception and was murdered by deceivers and "useful idiots" for that. Deception stinks.

Posted by: Frank at December 21, 2006 8:29 AM

O/T but great news:
Court orders vilification retrial
Barney Zwartz, Religion Editor
December 14, 2006


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Two Christian pastors found to have vilified Muslims under Victoria's religious hatred law won their appeal and hailed the decision as a victory for free speech.

The Court of Appeal ordered the case to be reheard at the original tribunal, before a different judge and with no further evidence. It set aside the orders for public apologies in newspaper advertisements and for the pastors not to repeat their remarks.

Last year Judge Michael Higgins found that Pastors Danny Nalliah and Daniel Scot and Catch the Fire Ministries vilified Muslims at a seminar on jihad in Melbourne in March 2002, in a newsletter and a website article.

He said these suggested that the Koran promoted killing and looting, that Muslims wanted to take over Australia and terrorists were true Muslims.

Justices Geoffrey Nettle, David Ashley and Marcia Neave overturned that finding but rejected the appeal that the Racial and Religious Vilification Act was unconstitutional.

They ordered the Islamic Council of Victoria, which brought the original complaint, to pay half the appellants' appeal costs but left the costs of the original hearing to be decided by the judge who rehears the case.

After the hearing, Pastor Nalliah said: "I'm really thankful to the Lord. I would be pleased to see it completed and not go back to the tribunal, but what we got was more than a blessing."

He said it was a great day for free speech. He added that all laws needed to be tested, and this now had now been tested and found to be a bad piece of legislation.

Pastor Scot thanked his supporters and vowed to continue conducting seminars on the Koran and Hadiths (Islam's sacred texts). "Some Muslims have got the idea they have to hide the truth, and that's very sad," he said.

"People should know it from the primary sources and not be misled by politically correct teachers who don't know the reality of Islam and want to glorify it with false pretensions and assumptions, " he said.

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 8:35 AM

These new Pharisees stink. To pray for "deliverance from evil" is to ask God to let us escape all deception, including our own, as per Jesus. It's a real challenge. Jesus said prostitutes and gangsters would be with God before decievers. It's food for thought.

Posted by: Frank at December 21, 2006 8:36 AM

Frank - more proof that Muhammad was a false prophet, recognizable by his fruits. The utter hypocricy of Muslims accusing infidels of being "bigots" is laughable but they appear to be completely incapable of grasping that.

Posted by: Caroline at December 21, 2006 8:38 AM

What neither Dennis Prager nor anyone else has addressed is the fact that the Qur'an is unsuitable for oath-taking in the United States because it allows Muslims to lie to unbelievers (3:28, 16:106).

Taking the oath of office - actually it starts on the campaign trail - is the license to lie.

They don't need the koran for that one.

Posted by: infidel! at December 21, 2006 8:39 AM

Goode saying no to muslim integration is GOOD. Newt saying that the flying imams should have been arrested is good.

We need to better press this with the pols--wise ones tell us how. How do we stand up en masse to the PC tide of the day?
I read that Goode has gotten lots of email on this topic. You have to know the CAIR idiots are calling Goode bad.

If accurate, this linked article shows email to Goode had some factor in his taking a stand.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149192272498

"Duncan said Goode wrote the letter earlier this month in response to HUNDREDS of e-mails he had received from constituents concerned about Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison's decision to use the Koran in his swearing-in ceremony"

Do we have email links to Congress for any issue on JW? It might be a Goode thing too.

Posted by: BB at December 21, 2006 8:45 AM

It's funny how that poor, oppressed muslim 'student' was humiliated that a congressman did not have anything on the wall from the koran. I'd like to ask the student: If islam is supposedly the third Abrahamic faith, then why aren't the 10 Commandments part of islam as they are the other two Abrahamic faiths? I would also have said that our currency has 'In God We Trust', not 'In Allah We Trust', because we don't trust allah.

Posted by: Rick

>>> oh my goodness, you want to bring fire to the muslims eyes, point out the Israeli
"Star Of David" on the back side of the american one dollar bill, on the right hand side right above the american eagle!
then be sure and tell them they carry the Israeli symbol around in their pockets all day long!
See it, take out a one dollar bill, turn the backside face up, look right above the american eagle, see the "Star Of David" how it just seems to burst through the sky above the american eagle!
Revelations 12_14, And to the woman(Israel) were given two wings of a great"eagle"that she might fly into the wilderness to ""her place"" where she is nourished for a time, a times and half a time! from the face of the serpent.

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 8:49 AM

Caroline-

Even the "judge not, lest you be judged, for what standard you judge by you will be judged" (my quote is from memory) is a command against hypocrisy-deception. It's not a command against making judgements. Again, it's a command re hypocrisy-deception. He definitely roots evil in deception. We cannot love that which we cannot trust.

Posted by: Frank at December 21, 2006 8:51 AM

The Council on American-Islamic Relations asked Goode to apologize.

His reply could be to lift his leg and PTHTHTHTh

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 08:21 AM

What a waste of perfectly good urine. Better to throw pig poop at them!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 21, 2006 8:55 AM

C-

If trust and respect are the basis of a warm regard and love, then Muslims are cold bagels. No grown-up person can be loved unless they are trustworthy and deserving of respect. Otherwise they are infantile and stunted in their nature.

It's OK to be a infant or child when an actual infant-child, but when a man or woman grows up, the requirement is trust and respect, or else there cannot be love. Deception is emptiness that produces fear and violence. It cannot be otherwise.

Posted by: Frank at December 21, 2006 9:03 AM

"In 1993, before CAIR existed, Ibrahim Hooper told a reporter: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."[106] On the Michael Medved radio show in 2003, Hooper made the same point more positively: if Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, it would be safe to assume that they would want to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law, as most Muslims believe that God's law is superior to man-made law."
http://www.meforum.org/article/916

I see. So its OK to deprive us of our freedoms and make us second-class citizens in our own countries as long as you accomplish it demographically? And anyone who objects to this scenario is a bigot? They must take us for utter fools.

How about Muslims first demonstrate that they are capable of treating infidels as complete equals in their own countries first. Then, when they've demonstrated that they are all grown up and ready to join the community of man, they will be welcome everywhere.

Posted by: Caroline at December 21, 2006 9:08 AM

"if Muslims ever become a majority in the United States, it would be safe to assume that they would want to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic law"

The enemy within, sleep on America.

Posted by: sounder at December 21, 2006 9:17 AM

I wish Canada had someone like Virgil Goode -- someone who would stand up for a *sane* immigration policy and stop the number of illegals flocking here!

We can't even deport terrorists -- supporters, MEMBERS of the PFLP -- who enter Canada!! or make that Cana-duh!! (I suspect that a large number of illegal Muslims entering the U.S., enter via Canada).

This has to stop. Canada needs laws which go beyond the "Security Certificate" (which currently is virtually unenforceable).

Posted by: J.S. at December 21, 2006 9:20 AM

Another thing, forgot to mention. About HYPOCRISY. It's almost funny. Canada (duh), has a so-called refugee board (appointed members of you know what religion) who have NO qualms about deporting Coptic Christians back to Egypt -- since, after all, Egypt is SUCH a wonderful, tolerant Country!! BUT, if the Canadian government wants to deport a Muslim back to Egypt, then the lawyers start screaming that that simply can't be done!! Egypt is just not good enough in terms of "civil rights!" The different standards applied (whether you happen to be a Muslim terrorist or a Christian Copt) is outrageous -- and, no this is not "islamaphobia" -- in fact, it's the opposite. There are far, far too many rights for terrorists here in Canada, and not enough rights for non-terrorists! That's the reality.

Posted by: J.S. at December 21, 2006 9:29 AM

No Moslem is qualified to hold any American office on the grounds that our government is based on an established social contract, an understanding between the governing and the governed. This is what our Bill of Rights and our Constitutional framework of government is based upon. Since Moslems do not recognize any authority other than their devil Allah and his perverted, pedophile "prophet," they cannot be expected to uphold, let alone be loyal to, the constitutional democracy we have established. As such, they cannot be trusted to defend the rights of the governed. As such, they are disqualified and must never be allowed office of any kind. They would only use whatever power they were given to destroy liberty in the United States.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 21, 2006 9:31 AM

BB asked: "How do we stand up en masse to the PC tide of the day? "

The futurist Buckminster Fuller used the concept of a "trim tab" to describe how change occurs. A trim tab is the small rudder on the rudder of a capital ship. Although the trim tab's mass is a tiny fraction of the ship's mass, movement of the trim tab determines the ship's course.

And Bucky applied this concept to himself: “I'm just an individual, I don't have any capital to start things with, but I can learn how to throw those low pressures to one side or the other, and this should make things go in preferred directions, and, while I can't reform man, I just may be able to improve his environment a little."

With what we know today about the dynamics of tipping points, it is easy to see how the intentional application of trim tab sensibility can affect change in even the most intractable problems.

And seeing that Goode's letter was a response to hundreds of emails, it's not a stretch to see that each of us is a potential trim tab in correcting our Ship of State.

O Ship Of State

Thou, too, sail on, O Ship of State!
Sail on, O Union, strong and great!
Humanity with all its fears,
With all the hopes of future years,
Is hanging breathless on thy fate!
We know what Master laid thy keel,
What Workmen wrought thy ribs of steel,
Who made each mast, and sail, and rope,
What anvils rang, what hammers beat,
In what a forge and what a heat
Were shaped the anchors of thy hope!
Fear not each sudden sound and shock,
’Tis of the wave and not the rock;
’Tis but the flapping of the sail,
And not a rent made by the gale!
In spite of rock and tempest’s roar,
In spite of false lights on the shore,
Sail on, nor fear to breast the sea!
Our hearts, our hopes, are all with thee.
Our hearts, our hopes, our prayers, our tears,
Our faith triumphant o’er our fears,
Are all with thee,—are all with thee!

~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Posted by: Malinois at December 21, 2006 9:40 AM

Virgil Goode is the Representative from Virginia's 5th District though I think it fair to say he is a representative of many citizens in the USA. I think most elected officials in this counrty lack political courage. Mr. Goode will be counted among political officials that do have courage.

A message of support from those who believe Mr. Goode did the right thing is in order.

His office is not accepting emails until January 4, 2007.

A written note of support might take 5 minutes of your time plus the cost of a stamp.

Virgil Goode
70 East Court Street
Suite 215
Rocky Mount, VA 24151

Posted by: omvi at December 21, 2006 9:44 AM

Thank you for posting Rep. Goode's address. I will be sending him a letter of thanks, and will also be sending notes to other members of congress and the Senate asking them to take notice of Rep. Goode's words and actions.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 21, 2006 9:47 AM

Everyday the anti-jihad forces grow stronger. Somedays it doesn't seem that way, but people in the free world will eventually come to their collective senses. The true believers will see to that, I'm sure.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at December 21, 2006 9:51 AM

This is Goode news indeed!

I've been wondering where the heck our elected leaders have been on this subject. Not every congressman can have their head in the sand, can they? And I would fully expect a gentleman from the South to hold Congressman Goode's sentiments. These guys aren't pushovers and they generally do things the way they see fit, hence the term, Good Ole' Boy Network.

They also know when a dog won't hunt, and Congressman Goode seems to clearly get that many of these folks DON'T work in Europe and doesn't want to repeat that scenario in the U.S.

It is very heartening to know that there is a supporter of our best interests on the subject of Islam in Congress and that he is committed to standing up and clearly stating that the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. We here need to let everyone know and there needs to be such a fit pitched by the people of America that CAIR shut's it's mouth and backs down. Then we need to get Congressman Goode to start the process to dismantle CAIR by investigating what Andrew Whitehead over at Anti-CAIR already knows, and get it out of America for good.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2006 9:57 AM

CAIR doesn't miss a beat, do they?

Does anyone doubt my statements earlier this year -- that CAIR and the Islamic lobbyists around VA and MD have one simple strategy in mind?: to promote Islam further into our legal system and Congress, at any cost?

Goode is now in my "Friends and Commonsense Folks" folder in my bookmarks.

Bravo, Virgil.

To CAIR: Get the Hell out of my country. How's that for Islamophobia?

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 10:04 AM

Here's some information on how to contact Congressman Goode. Everyone here needs to send a letter of support to him so he knows we are behind him and ready to stand with him, because the whining backlash against him from CAIR in the coming days will surely be cacophonous. This is our chance to ride the coat tails of the Flying Imam debacle and use it to expose CAIR's true agenda and turn the tables on them. American's hate to have to put up with incessant whining, because we've heard it from other groups for decades and, quite frankly, we are sick to death of it. Isn't it ironic that these Islamic folks always seem to get the timing wrong?

Let's send a HUGE message to CAIR that they will not be running or Legislature, they will not be running our lives and that Islamic intolerance will NOT be tolerated in the U.S.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2006 10:11 AM

Oops, forgot the link.
http://www.house.gov/goode/

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2006 10:11 AM

I'd like to ask Rep. Ellison if his oath on the Koran will include a duty to uphold Art. IV s. 4 of the United States Constitution:

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Full text of Article IV is available here.

I do not believe that a shari'a state can in any way be construed as a "republican form of government." So, does Rep. Ellison believe that the Koranic injunction to apply shari'a law is wrong, or does he believe that his oath does not apply to upholding Art. IV, s. 4? If it is the latter, he should not assume his Congressional seat. If it is the former, then he had better tell the people who elected him.

I'd like to know where the idiots in the MSM are on this issue. Personally I think it is rather important. Our representatives are supposed to uphold and defend the whole Constitution, and if they are not willing to do so, they should resign so the people can elect a person who will.

Posted by: Darius LaMonica at December 21, 2006 10:15 AM

the dhimmis in america at present are but a few.
we the people must ensure we never permit them to achieve postions of power in america ,especially in government!
we should be vocal and visual in our support of representatives like Virgil Goode and let those dhimmis know they will not be invited to return to office next term!

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 10:15 AM

Bravo for Rep. Goode! He better watch out, as I'm sure CAIR and their willing MSM stooges will bring the mother of all PR wars against him.

I'm sending him an e-mail of support.

Posted by: Proud Infidel at December 21, 2006 10:18 AM

We live in America. In America there is a constitution and elected officials are sworn in with the bible. If you choose to be an elected official, you must submit to the customs and laws of your country - not the other way around. If you move to this, or any other country, you must submit to the laws and customs of that country - not the other way around. How hard is this to understand, really?

I don't agree with Goode on limiting immigration. By and large, Muslims (indeed, everybody who moves to America) assimilates rather well. Much better than Europe. First of all, the US doesn't allow new legal immigrants to go on the dole except for the very small percentage who have refugee status. That would not include most Muslims. Second, most of the immigrants who come here are very attracted to the inalienable rights, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In addition, people in the US - as apposed to Europe - are very open and inviting. They want to know everything about you and happily invite you to participate in every block party, parade and what have you. This refers to immigrants of all brands and stripes - not just Muslims. Third, the opportunities of an free market economy (in the US, unfortunately not in Europe) are rather more appealing than bloody Jihad. That all aids in assimilation.

Immigration (legal) is good for the economy and we are already having problems filling skilled labour jobs because, while illegals flood the borders, legal immigration is too restrictive. Immigration provides younger workers, which helps alleviate the inverted pyramid population problem we have due to declining birth rates. Having said that, people from key areas (like Russia and Muslim countries) need to be checked extra carefully. There is a difference between racism and xenaphobia and national security.

Finally, despite the fact that I disagree with Goode and Robert Spencer about further limiting immigration from a purely economic standpoint, I believe they have the right to say what they wishe. For Goode in particular, a large part of his job is public debate and forced silence or watering down of opinion in public debate is counterproductive. He has the constitutional right to free speach. Of course, CAIR also has its right demand a an apology. And Goode is under no obligation to apologize for his opinions, full stop.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:18 AM

I WOULD HAVE TO STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THIS.

First of all,

"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."

Resources swamped? Thats not what it's about. It's about being swamped by psychotic muslims that want to subjugate everyone not like them. It's about stopping the muslims from imposing sharia law everywhere. It's not about resources. Resources? What like, money? food? services?
So what he's saying is that immigration needs to be limited to save resources. That applies to everyone, not just muslims. Does he think about that for starving non-muslim africans in southren Africa? Resources? What about non-muslim indians? You wouldnt want to help them?

You want to halt muslim immmigration BECAUSE OF RESOURCES???????????????? That is the dumbest reason ive ever heard. And it's disgusting. You want to throw them out becuase you want to keep your ritches for yourself, is that it????? The way he says it he makes it clear that he only cares about resources. Thats ridiculous. He obviously has no clue about anything because there is a much better way he could have said it. I mean, doesnt it sound a little greedy this way? Shouldnt there be a smarter reason? Perhaps the fact that most of the muslims who would come to america want to destroy it???? Maybe thats a better reason?? No? Resources?

Resources....

Oh, and who cares if they use a koran to swear in to congress? What difference does it make? The muslim is going to behave either way whether he swears in with a bible or a koran. This is a stupid issue to raize. Why care about something so stupid and insignificant when there are millions of muslims that need to be deported from america immediately before they turn into 20 million-strong. Ridiculous. How stupid. It's INSIGNIFICANT. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW HE SWEARS IN TO CONGRESS IT'S ABOUT HIM BEING ALLOWED TO SWEAR IN AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!! COMPLAIN ABOUT A MUSLIM ___BEING___ IN CONGRESS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!! FOR FUCK SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bff at December 21, 2006 10:19 AM

oh i just cant wait til congressman elect keith ellison aka muhammad elison aka keith hakim muhammad aka keith x muhammad begins demanding a special private room for his 5 daily prayers and a bidet be installed in every wash room so he can wash not wipe after every use!
let the fun begin!
Does anyone beside me find it rather strange keith ellison gave up his american birth name for a muslim name but then used his american birth name to run for office?
Is this taqqiya?

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 10:22 AM

Congressman Goode's Washington DC office has a live and polite person who is answering phone calls (on the first ring even).

I just expressed my sincere expression of support and gratitude for his courage. I also let him know that if he ever decides to run for office in the state of Mississippi--he has my vote.

Posted by: ReformedPresbyterian at December 21, 2006 10:22 AM

Just another thought...

What I don't get is why the MSM is so willing to bend to the will of terrorist front groups like CAIR and IMPAC? Why?

In the 1980's I couldn't understand why they were so happy to exhalt the likes of Gorbochev. He was not a nice guy - he was a guy driven to perestroika because Reagan drove him into bankruptcy, not out of some benevolent realization that communism is bad. Then there was Crazy Carter's dictator appeasement campaign - again exhalted by the media. But Reagan, who made the most positive changes in this country probably in the entire 20th century, they paint him a communicative idiot. Bush won't negotiate with terrorists and he's painted as a bumbbling moron. CAIR and MPAC whine about non-existant mistreatment of Muslims, deny Muslims had anything to do with terrorism (despite overwhelming evidence), impinge on everyone else's rights and get painted by the media as angels.

What's the matter with people?

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:31 AM

perhaps what america needs today instead of a military draft as congressman rangel suggest is a political draft. get rid of these life time politicians who think politics is a way of fleecing the american tax payer. and giving them a nice comfy life with benifits and pensions that would make many kings jealous!
start having politicians selected randomly through a draft, serve an obligatory 4 year term and be gone.
ofcourse the president and vice could still be elected by the majority of the electoral college!

americas politicians serving a life time in politics get way to cozy with the enemies of america and the cash they are willing to shower on politicians of america willing to do their bidding!

Posted by: thndrbang1 at December 21, 2006 10:40 AM

http://www.foehammer.net/2006/12/virgil-goode-is-no-dhimmi.html

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 10:41 AM

Bff,

with regard to resources, Goode simply has a poor grip on economics. He is guilty of the same mistake that socialists make all the time - the lump of wealth fallacy. In case you're unfamiliar with it - it is the fallacy that wealth exists in a large lump which is distributed among the population. The economic reality is that wealth is created through entreprenuership in a free market economy. The free market economy is why the US has created so much wealth in the world.

Europe is largely socialist by comparison. Entreprenuership is stifled and wealth creation by extension. Largely socialist European countries are basically zero-sum societies existing on accumulated capital (an artificially created, diminishing lump of wealth). New immigrants, unable to create wealth in as stagnant economy, must then suck off the same teet and there's less resources to go around with every new body.

Goode's understanding is very European. He doesn't seem to understand the economy of the country in which he lives.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:42 AM

citycat wrote:

"CAIR and MPAC whine about non-existant mistreatment of Muslims, deny Muslims had anything to do with terrorism (despite overwhelming evidence), impinge on everyone else's rights and get painted by the media as angels.

What's the matter with people?"
--

Don't forget that more than a few CAIR talking-heads, past and present, have documented connections to Islamic terrorist groups.

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 10:45 AM

Foehammer,

IMPAC and CAIR are just terrorist front groups.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:51 AM

I THINK HE WOULD MAKE A GOODE PRESIDENT!

Way to go Rep. Goode! I wish we had more congressmen w/ the gonads to stand up and speak the hard truth about our disastrous immigration trends, in spite of the charges they will undoubtedly face of being "racist" or "bigoted".

There is nothing racist about defending yourself against muslim jihad. Keep the white psychos out too! Let them have Paris, but it ain't gonna happen in the USA!

Posted by: Tookson at December 21, 2006 10:55 AM

Muslim immigration to non-muslim nations needs to stop. The war that it will cause will destroy any short term economic benefit (if there is any).

Is this the attitude that we want to import?

Beheading for trespassing in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/003490.html

Posted by: Borg at December 21, 2006 10:58 AM

Saudi Arabia: "Trespasser" Sentenced By Islamic Court To Beheading
Saudi Arabia, purported ally of the West, is as far from the West as a country can be. A story from New India Press demonstrates how alien the country is. An Indian national, 31-year old Jojo Joseph, wanted to see his wife, who worked as a nurse near Medina. She had just given birth to their son.

Mr Joseph, who was based in Jeddah, where he was an employee of an electronics company, traveled towards where he thought his wife was based, and lost his way. He found himself on the road to Medina.

Unbeknownst to Mr Joseph, during the pilgrimage season, this road was forbidden to non-Muslims. He was arrested by police at Al-Azeez, and was hauled before a religious court on Monday. Full of that Islamic tolerance which the Saudis like to promote in the West, the religious court ordered that Mr Joseph should have his head sliced off on Tuesday, merely for "trespassing into a Muslim-only area".

Mr Joseph told his relatives back home in Mariyapuram, India, who contacted Oommen Chandy, leader of the opposition and former chief minister of Kerala state. Chandy contacted the Indian Embassy in Saudi Arabia and various ministers.

As a result, the External Affairs secretary managed to convince the Saudi Government that Mr Joseph had merely become lost and had no malicious intent.

When the Saudis insist on promoting their religion in the West, and fund groups like CAIR to change the legislation in Muslims' favor, one wonders how they would feel if Muslims were ordered to be decapitated for trespassing on kaffir territory.....

UPDATE: The same story as above is carried by The Hindu, but the Arab News tells a different tale entirely. There are still elements which disturb.

The Arab News states that he was a passenger in a taxi, and therefore the taxi-driver should have been blamed for taking "Jojo" into a forbidden area. It reads:

There is no recorded incident where a non-Muslim was executed for entering restricted space in Madinah or Makkah. Authorities generally treat these violations in much the same way trespassing is dealt with. In cases where the violation seems accidental, authorities will simply escort the trespasser out of the prohibited zone.

Joseph was arrested and detained for three days after the taxi apparently took the wrong route and strayed into the prohibited zone of the city. The man was rushing to a hospital where his wife had given birth. Persons volunteering as morality enforcers spotted the man's maroon work/residency visa (denoting the carrier is non-Muslim) and called police.

Posted by: Borg at December 21, 2006 10:58 AM

There is scarcely a single non-Muslim inhabitant of England, France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, or any other country in Western Europe who, knowing what he now knows, or perceives, would not, if he could rewind the clock, undo the policy of permitting large-scale -- or even small-scale -- immigration by Muslims, and almost all, if not all, of such inhabitants would gladly, if they could, have halted all Muslim immigration altogether. It has become a permanent security nightmare, and a permanent threat to the legal and political institutions, and social arrangements, everywhere accepted in the Western world. That large-scale Muslim presence has required tens of billions of dollars to be spent, now and forevermore, on monitoring of Muslim populations and guarding airports, train stations, subway stations, bus terminals, airplanes and trains and busses, ports, government buildings, churches and synagogues, all identifiably Jewish institutions including day-schools, all the most important Christian sites (such as the Vatican), museums (whose contents offend Muslim sensibilities) and much more. Every country in the West has developed institutions, laws, has permitted the free inquiry that permits the enterprisee of science, has created conditions for the creation of works of art, none of which, and not for one minute, could have been created by Muslims or under Islamic rule.

And everywhere in the Lands of the Infidels the large-scale presence of Muslims has created a situation of much greater unpleasantness, expense, and physical insecurity than would exist without such a presence. That no one in Western Europe now denies; the quarrel is over what can or should be done about that.

Posted by: Hugh at December 21, 2006 10:59 AM

"There is scarcely a single non-Muslim inhabitant of England, France, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Spain, or any other country in Western Europe who, knowing what he now knows, or perceives, would not, if he could rewind the clock, undo the policy of permitting large-scale "

Did you count all the socialists and other pro-muslim leftists with that? They dont even see that there is a problem here. With everything that they now know, I dont think that they would make any changes.

These people arent as good as you might think, they are evil, vile scum that want these muslims in their lands all over the place. They will never recognize that there is a problem, not even when they are set on fire and while they are on fire they will still say "It's not really that hot, quite nice actually".

Posted by: bff at December 21, 2006 11:08 AM

ps: i meant "set on fire by the muslims themselves"

Posted by: bff at December 21, 2006 11:10 AM

Thanks Isabella.
My congression rep just got an email on this topic:

To the Honorable Joseph Knollenberg,
I want you to speak up and support legislation regarding the need to BLOCK both ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AMNESTY and also the LEGAL IMMIGRATION OF MUSLIMS to our country.

The trends in Europe and in our own country show that we will lose our way of life within one generation if we do not stem these tides for obvious reasons. Congressman Virgil Goode of VA has recently done this nation a great service with his recent taking a stand and not backing down to the PC crowd. What say you?

Posted by: BB at December 21, 2006 11:11 AM

Off topic:

Schools' Islamic lessons inaccurate, group says

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at December 21, 2006 11:12 AM

Hugh wrote:
"It has become a permanent security nightmare, and a permanent threat to the legal and political institutions, and social arrangements, everywhere accepted in the Western world. That large-scale Muslim presence has required tens of billions of dollars to be spent, now and forevermore, on monitoring of Muslim populations and guarding airports, train stations, subway stations, bus terminals, airplanes and trains and busses, ports, government buildings, churches and synagogues...."

--
But Hugh, President Bush has called Islam the Religion of Peace. Didn't you get the memo?

I wonder if Americans were to better understand the economics of Islamic immigration, if we would have such a hard time convincing people of the danger?

Hmmm....

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 11:12 AM

Oh, and who cares if they use a koran to swear in to congress?

I DO. I think it is disgraceful and disrespectful to our heritage and our country.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 11:12 AM

What I don't get is why the MSM is so willing to bend to the will of terrorist front groups like CAIR and IMPAC? Why?

The MSM is anti-government and is generally to scared to broadcast the truth. Can't offend the Muslims, now can we? The truth just might scare the citizens into Islamaphobia. (and the citizens should be concerned and should know the truth).

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 11:17 AM

It's a much bigger disgrace that there is even a muslim IN congress at all. That alone makes the swearing-in issue insignificant. It's almost like getting hit by a car and then complaining about the fact that the car was not a BMW but a ford. I mean who the fuck cares thats not the point!

Posted by: bff at December 21, 2006 11:17 AM

Just guessing, but I think the writer that Robert is referring to may be Lawrence Auster, and I have just a few comments about the ongoing ad hominem attacks Auster has levelled at so many people. It just seems off the wall to me that Auster sometimes seems so determined to try to wipe every potential "competitor" off the boards -- many good people who have solidly proved their worth in the War against militant Islamism. Victims of this scathing execretion have ranged from the finest Middle East experts to the best of the progressive Muslim theorists in whose hands much of the future peace of the world may rest.

In Robert's case, there are some rather spectacular specific examples of Auster's modus operandi -- which is basically to say the opposite of what's true and to do it in print. Those examples (to name a few) include:

(1) saying that Robert has no objection to Muslim immigration if Robert advocates a questionnaire on shari'a -- a suggestion made by everyone from Daniel Pipes to the European Union. Suggested quesionnaires vary in complexity, but the one thing they all do is provide grounds for deporation and explusion if lies are found.

(2) Auster's criticism of such questionnaires seem to paint a false image of those suggesting them as dolts who can't figure out that some will lie. Of course they know that! Don't be ridiculous. But what such questionnaires are meant to be adjuncts to efforts to criminalize some elements of shari'a law and to sound an overt warning that attempts to implement elements of shari'a law contrary to and abrogative of constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms of the host country will be met with decisive action. Basically it says: Openly and overtly disavow odious elements of shari'a law or stay the hell out -- and if you play a game with us about it, you're outta here.

(3) Auster's normal modus operadum is indicative of a kind of severe projection -- and and manipulation. It usually goes this way: Auster says something outrageously false (see above) and demands a response. The object of the attack gives a reasoned response. Auster claims they are now being defensive (but demanded they defend themselves). But what I've noticed is that those responding to Auster's ad hominem attacks (Robert among them) have given substantive, thoroughly annotated factual responses. When it's pointed out to Auster that he is scathing people who don't deserve it, he claims he's being viciously attacked. In other words, he projects onto others what he does constantly himself -- without the least substantiation whatsoever.

(4) And he peppers these assaults with a kind of adolescent attack on the masculinity of his objects of derision, using terms like "unmanly". I have to repress the urge to laugh at this, because every time he says that about people who get overtly threatened by Al Qaeda -- threatened with brutal death, torture, and attacks on members of their families, even their children -- and they still keep publishing books that get banned by the worst regimes in the world and still appear as public speakers ... well, I dunno about you, but I wouldn't call such people unmanly. Sorry, but that just doesn't come to mind for me. And I can't help laughing, because every time Auster does this, Irish Spring commercials pop into my mind. And then on a very sad level, I also wind up thinking that it's embarrassingly transparent when people try to make careers out of attacks on people who are making serious efforts -- people on both the Western and Islamic side of the problem -- to solve it. I get embarrased for them. And I feel like writing them little notes congratulating them for siding with Al Qaeda. Must make Bin Laden's day to read this crap.

(5) And finally, Auster's take on Robert's recent article on Blair, multiculturalism, Judeo-Christian values, etc., seems totally off the wall. There's nothing in it that Robert hasn't said before. Before writing a critique of someone's total orientation to fighting the war on terror -- or commenting on their worldview about such things -- it's really good just to read all their books and as many of their articles as one can. I know it's a tall order when there are so out there, but if you have a question, you can always JUST ASK. You can JUST ASK and with regard to people who are functioning fairly, they will answer you.

And, in fact, Robert's answered Auster on many occasions. I think the projective terms here with which Auster accuses those whom he may see as rivals are ones he might want to take to heart as elements of his own character that need work. Frankly, it's a spiritual issue, and it doesn't appear that it's being dealth with.

I'm a great believer in open discussion. Certainly I have disagreed with Robert about important things, and he's certainly not agreed with me about a great many things. But disagreements on issues can be made without this kind of invective, which is actually a form of disinformative personal attack. And the victims of it are NOT just those being personally attacked, but also the American public that is being mindfucked (sorry, but that's what it is) when they have to be subjected to adolescent games in print while they're trying to fight the war on terror. I will be less furious about these "Pundit Turf Wars" when I'm able to take that service flag sticker off the window of my car.

I hope Robert will forgive me is this just makes matters worse, but I think it just needed to be said. It seems as if there isn't anything the objects of Auster's disaffection can say that isn't turned against them. So perhaps it'll help if one of the rest of us says it occasionally so these dishonorable attacks on Auster's part don't just pass without comment forever.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at December 21, 2006 11:17 AM

as a matter of fact, I think the MSM should start reporting the writings in the Qur'as, starting with 9:29

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 11:19 AM

A comment I made on another blog from ummahnewslinks article:

"We always say 'Prophet Muhammad,' " Pharoan said. "Omitting the word 'prophet' is disrespectful."

. . .

"Teachers should ask themselves, 'Am I teaching fact or opinion?' " Pharoan said.

So, Pharoan, having us call Ol' Moe a 'prophet' in our curriculum is a fact or an opinion?

We all know muslims lie, so what else is new?

Posted by: Rick at December 21, 2006 11:20 AM

Suggested quesionnaires vary in complexity, but the one thing they all do is provide grounds for deporation and explusion if lies are found.

........Far easier to just ban Muslim immigration

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 11:26 AM

THing is that every invention and discovery beneficial to mankind has been inventied by people that have put ANY religion to one side. THese inventors and scientists and physics have FLOWN TO LOFTY PLANES...OF EXISTENCE. THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THEIR THINKING - THEIR DREAMS.

While the islamics strive to keep people grounded and chained to the earth.

In the past:

potable water - purifying water - ancient Rome

- aqueducts - ancient Persians - developed further by the Pagan Romans.

-gardens -from ancient Egypt and Babylon

- wheat - as far as I can trace it - came from Sumeria - NON-MOSLIMS.

(cous-cous is a form of pasta)

-millet - originated from China - & is also grown in Pagan Black Africa

rice from China - Taoists- Buddhists - Confucians - & other non- Moslims

- tea - came from China.

- sugar - from Pagan Black Africa

- olives & its products - discovered & developed in Pre-islamic times by ancient peoples of the Mediterranean basin.

coffee - from Pagan Black Africa

dates, figs - Pre-islamic Mediterranean basin

grapes - see above

melons, etc. - same as above

rice - fr China

chickens - fr. China -

pigeons as food - pre-Islamic times

puff pastry for pies- ancient Egypt

- tobacco - Pagan Black Africa

- Poppy - medicinal - Pagan Asia Minor

-mint - from Europe

- onions discovered in Pre-islamic times millennia ago

- tomatoes - corn - from Pagan Americas

- chilis - from Pagan Americas

-papyrus and all papers- Ancient Egypt - even before China

Islamic script - from Syrian and Aramaic ( researched)

- minarets - from Persian architecture
(researched)

- Moorish architecture in Spain - La Alhambra - is actually Byzantine architecture - as the arches show

- the domes - are actually Ancient Roman architecture - as you can see from the example of the Pantheon in Rome

- The Baths - are fr. ancient Rome & Greece- the Hammams in Turkey are simply the old Byzantine structures

soap - Sumeria & ancient Egypt

- roses - from China and ancient Persia

- perfumes - ancient Egypt, etc.

- horses - domesticated - ancient Hittites

- glassware - is from ancient Egypt - Greece-Rome

- chemicals used to color are from modern science labs.

the autos - fr. the American Ford - non-moslims

- electricity - discovered in ancient Greece - re-discovered starting from Amer. Ben Franklin - fully by Nicola Tesla http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/tesla.html

(Tesla was born a christian in Croatia. It occurs to me, there must have always been some trouble with the islamics there. )

and also the Amer. Edison- a non-moslim

- pillows and cushions are from ancient Greece and Rome

- the Taj Mahal is actually a Hindu temple

- all good things - invented - developed by Non-moslims. Pre-islamic times were NOT a time of chaos - but organized, fluorishing cultures.

EVERY single thing...used in the past and today.

And btw, I want you to know that the prostrating and touching your foreheads to the Earth - is an ancient - Pre-Islamic form of worshiping the Earth. ANcient Peoples knew that every time you touched your forehead to the Earth - you were absorbing energy into the brain. Science has validated this - not for worship - not in a cold, analytical study - there is an energy grid surrounding the Earth - that waves of energy come from the ground. So every time one takes off the shoes "on sacred ground" and touches the Earth in any way - one is absorbing these energy waves. THAT is why muddy children have so much energy...and adults don't. Because we instantly wash off the mud.

All the inventions and discoveries used by islamics. This includes the world wide web- to the microphones used for the call to prayers. And the clocks to keep time.

My God! What would the moslems do without us!

WHAT would they do without us!

Ye, Islamics - what are you going to do if you conquer and take over the entire world? Like a wound clock, it may run a little while, but eventually it will run down and then stop completely.

Without the imagination, and dreams of reaching to the Highest - to the Highest God - reaching for the Gold ring in the carousel - there will be nothing - by stagnation and decay.

The only thing allowing any blossoming is constant ACTION- and CHANGE. This is the basis of Life - down to the subatomics.

islam does not allow this.

islamics can always say, they will conquer and use the "zinnis" ( is that what slaves are called?) - but sooner or later, the philosophy of the conquered will bleed into the islamic thinking.

And I want to say, for the islamic men - looking forward to 72 virgins.

Is THAT all you look forward to? Is that all your hopes and aspirations? Is that all all your yearnings?

What about love? Every human being of any religion or not, yearns for love- a sublime love of your heart. Of the Soul.

Islamics, with all your talk of allah, allah this - allah that - allah says this - allah says that.

And all your phrases begin with " IN the name of Allah the merciful"

I have NOT once - heard any moslem state that he wants to be with allah - or meet allah, or be with allah. NOT ONCE!

ANd I haven't heard any islamic man say that he wants to be with his loved ones that have died - his granddad, or even his son, never mind about the womenfold.

Isn't that strange? It's strange to me - because I do want to meet my Creator - and worship Him - and then met those of my beloved ones that have gone before me.

How come you - Islamics - don't mention this?
Don't you want to meet your Creator face to face - and worship Him - face to face?

72 virgins just couldn't cut it for me! They'd be blah and boring - compared to being in the constant presence of God!

Allat

Posted by: allat at December 21, 2006 11:31 AM

Morgaan Sinclair wrote:
"Frankly, it's a spiritual issue, and it doesn't appear that it's being dealth with."

--

Where Islam is concerned nothing is ever just a spiritual issue: no separation of church (mosque) and state in Islam/Shari'a Law. Dhimmis and fools like Auster would like to think and say otherwise, but nobody should be fooled or cowed into submission.

It's Islam.

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 11:33 AM

Ummahnewslinks, Rick,

Yep. One man's "prophet" is another man's "mohamed". I don't get how Pharaon doesn't understand that.

Also, if the dean of the cathedrals wants to read parts of the Koran to muslims about how there's no compulsion in religion and how Christians and Jews are their people too and must be protected and "kaffir, you have your religion and I have mine..," (I forget the citation but the rest of the surah is about living together in peace with each other) FINE BY ME. They need to hear it. Mass conversion out of Islam is a pipe dream. Might as well convert them into the first half of the Koran - that's were the teachings are more passifist.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 11:36 AM

"The Qur'an is unsuitable for oath-taking in the United States because it allows Muslims to lie to unbelievers (3:28, 16:106)."

THAT is all we should need to know - WHY? There is no way to know whom among Muslims takes a literalist point of view regarding their faith or inherent hatreds towards those who reject their sky god.

Posted by: Quantum Infidel at December 21, 2006 11:38 AM

"And btw, I want you to know that the prostrating and touching your foreheads to the Earth - is an ancient - Pre-Islamic form of worshiping the Earth. ANcient Peoples knew that every time you touched your forehead to the Earth - you were absorbing energy into the brain".

Posted by: allat at December 21, 2006 11:31 AM

After 14 centuries of doing this one would think Muslims have developed superior mental powers and might actually be correct in their belief that they are indeed the master race. However, all we have seen and heard from them prove otherwise. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that Muslims have brain damage since they obviously have not absorbed any energy into their brains with all that prostrating. Poor devils-no wonder they're always so angry.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at December 21, 2006 11:56 AM

I hope this gets lots and lots of press and controversy. The more the better. More people would become aware of the content of islam's "holy" texts
and the intent of islam to overthrow our way of life.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 21, 2006 12:13 PM

citycat,
Are you beginning to see that allah isn't who you thought he was?
I hope and pray that you will find the truth.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 21, 2006 12:17 PM

I don't agree with Goode on limiting immigration. By and large, Muslims (indeed, everybody who moves to America) assimilates rather well.
Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:18 AM

Hmmmmm.

IMPAC and CAIR are just terrorist front groups.
Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 10:51 AM

So which is it citycat? They assimilate well into American society like Mohammed Atta, or their just terrorist front groups? If Cair exists in the US and is a terrorist front group, what is the percentage breakdown of the terrorists in CAIR as opposed to those Muslims who desire assimilation.

Better yet, while your at it, why don't you enlighten us to an effective way to determine the private mindset of each and every Islamic immigrant during the screening process of them attempting to gain entrance to this country.

What would be an acceptable ratio, in your mind, of peaceful Muslim assimilators compared to potential terrorists to allow further immigration of Islamists into this country.

The current US fertility rate, around 2.0, is an acceptable replacement rate and does not support your statements that additional immigration is required.

Your logic is flawed and I see little to no difference from what you say, and what organizations like CAIR seek to exploit in this country to further their cause of domination of the US by Islam.

It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, but since the terrorists don't have big red horns on their head, it is difficult to discern the two based solely on their mutual embrace of I-S-L-A-M to some degree.

Get with the program sister, will ya?

Posted by: awake at December 21, 2006 12:24 PM

Look at Zawahiri's hematoma, a real sign of piety
http://www.indepundit.com/archive2/zawahiri.jpg

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 21, 2006 12:31 PM

If you support Congressman Goode for having the courage to push for immigration reforms and highlight the efforts to erode America's foundations, let him know and let your own representatives know as well. He is going to get BLASTED hard. I contacted his office today and gave left my thanks and support. The number is 540-484-1254 but likely busy. I also reviewed his activity in the house and very much wish I could support him more from Florida.

Posted by: Tracy K at December 21, 2006 12:46 PM

citycat,
Are you beginning to see that allah isn't who you thought he was?
I hope and pray that you will find the truth.
Posted by: Carolyn2

Carolyn,

You are a dear woman and I remember talking to you a couple of months ago. I really appreciate that you're coming from a good and kind place in asking me that question. However, I'm a strong, opinionated, highly educated, successful, well read, middle-aged woman - and come from a long line of such women. Moreover, you may remember that I come from a close-knit family which includes Muslims, Jews and Christians and have made myself intimately familiar with all of them. I'm not a young thing lost in the darkness searching for the truth about God on an internet board. In light of this (although I know you didn't mean it that way), your comments/questions in your post are condescending. My spirituality is mine and would likely not be considered part of any religion (we already got to that in the last discussion). The beliefs I held before are the beliefs I hold now and you don't know them all because - well, I don't think I owe complete strangers a full explaination on a message board.

Suffice to say that I believe in the entire US constitution and hold it as a model for all governments. I particularly believe in inalienable rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, freedom of speach and information and I believe in protecting those things. I believe in a merciful God who created and loves all his creatures. I don't believe the Koran is the word of God and I don't believe the bible is the word of God either. But I believe that they both contain Godly things (also, ungodly things). In short, I think that if you take just the 10 commandments, Corinthians I chapter 13 (sorry, I can't cite worth a damn), and the aya from the Koran "if it contradicts itself, it is not from God", you really can't stray too far from the right path. What religion would that be? I don't know and I don't care. That has been the case before I started posting here and is still the case. I'm not lost, my dear Carolyn. But I still appreciate your concern.

What's more relevant to the board is that I'm as terrified of the Islamic political ideology as anyone else. And I don't care if it's real Islam or misunderstood Islam or whatever. It must be fought and I'm afraid the lefties don't understand the threat as much as they didn't understand the communist threat.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 12:49 PM

The depth of their attack is because Goode told the truth.

After WTC 93 attack they should have stopped immigration. Buchanan said to and they called him a racist bigot. The 19 hijackers came in "legally" after WTC 93. The MSM, Democrats, even Republicans had to lie on 9-11 and call restrictionists bigots to cover up their own complicity.

Mineta was covering up the next day. He said no profiling. The truth was he already had specific warnings. On 9-12, Mineta, was covering up the warnings.

Bush gave his religion of peace speech to cover up the August 6, 2001 PDB he got saying "bin Laden determined to attack in the United States".
Bush had to have a reason to ignore the warning. His reason was that Islam is a religion of peace. That was his cover story for not responding to the warnings.

Bush killed the 3000 people by negligence. If Bush was commander of a ship he would have been court martialed and judged guilty and relieved.
Bush's face on 9-11 was an, "I should be court martialed look".

Congress should have impeached him for ignoring those warnings. Bush was covering up and obstructing Congress's power of impeachment. He still is.

The attack on Virgil Goode, and on Tom Tancredo, etc. are all part of this cover up for the 9-11 guilt.

As much web presence on liberal blogs for this as possible is needed. Putting up basic information in a neutral way will help. What is "obvious" on Jihad Watch is totally unknown to many people.

Just cut and paste snippets with attribution from the many articles is enough to totally turn around and stop the liberal propaganda machine. This is vital. If your local newsaper allows comments, paste there. E-mail your rep or Senator. They are attacking Goode deliberately. They have had him in their sights and been planning this. Its not just spontaneous.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 12:51 PM

Awake,

As I've said before, in a previous discussion, you are rude and nasty and have never said a civilized word to me - ever. Thus, I don't wish to speak to you directly. You are, of course, free to challenge me in that vicious little way that you have any time you want but don't expect a response.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 1:00 PM

While Congressman's remarks have been (correctly) construed as “intolerant” by at least one US-based Muslim organization, it is absolutely the apex of hypocrisy for anyone to level such a claim in view of the overwhelming prevalence of intolerance throughout the Muslim world and even in non-Muslim lands where there is a critical mass off Muslim expatriates.

What we cannot forget are simple political truths which the Islamic challenge should have reinforced. Among these truths is that the principles of a free society require toleration of the tolerant, but demand that intolerance be shown towards those who not only reject such free society's values but look forward to the day when they are brought down.

Congressman Goode, stick to your guns!

ohara

Posted by: OHara at December 21, 2006 1:05 PM

Congressman Virgil Goode has been attacked by Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr. of the 8th District for New Jersey. The attack was in writing and a copy of same is posted at Pascrell's website. Pascrell is the NJ Rep for the 8th District.

CAIR's website is crowing about it now even as I write these words.

Pascrell's attack on Goode could have been written by CAIR itself. For all I know it was. Or maybe it was written by Naseem.

Want to give Bill Pascrell, Jr. a piece of your mind?

Take the time to write him a letter in support of Goode:

Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr.
Robert A. Roe Bldg.
200 Federal Plaza
Suite 500
Patterson, NJ 07505

Posted by: omvi at December 21, 2006 1:10 PM

I just talked to the very polite young lady who answers the phones at Congressman Goode's Washington, D.C. office and she said he is getting tons of calls of support from people all over the country. She also said the best way to show support is to e-mail him and write him at his Rocky Mount address because he will get it faster than sending it to D.C.

Write him here:

70 East Court St., Suite 215
Rocky Mount, VA 24151
Phone: (540)484-1254
Fax: (540)484-1459

Call him here:

Phone: (202)225-4711

I'm off to write him a letter right now.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2006 1:10 PM

Omvi posted Goode’s address above but it’s worth repeating:

Virgil Goode
70 East Court Street
Suite 215
Rocky Mount, VA 24151

In my letter of thanks, a copy of the 28th Amendment was included. He might be in a fighting mood when the smoke clears.

Posted by: limes at December 21, 2006 1:12 PM

The e-mail for Congressman Goode will be down until January 4th, I'm sure for the holidays. But you can fax him here: (540) 484-1459.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 21, 2006 1:13 PM

"While Congressman's remarks have been (correctly) construed as “intolerant” by at least one US-based Muslim organization, it is absolutely the apex of hypocrisy for anyone to level such a claim in view of the overwhelming prevalence of intolerance throughout the Muslim world and even in non-Muslim lands where there is a critical mass off Muslim expatriates.

What we cannot forget are simple political truths which the Islamic challenge should have reinforced. Among these truths is that the principles of a free society require toleration of the tolerant, but demand that intolerance be shown towards those who not only reject such free society's values but look forward to the day when they are brought down."

Posted by: OHara

WOW! So well put that I thought your post bears reprinting. Thanks.

Posted by: citycat at December 21, 2006 1:29 PM

I just left a message with Goodes' secretary at(540)484-1254, voiced my firm approval of his stance and his actions, told her to tell him I hope he spreads that philosophy throughout the Congress and wished them all a Merry Christmas.

Got through on the first call, too.

Posted by: Foehammer at December 21, 2006 1:31 PM

While sending comments to the Congressmen above, and stay very very polite, also send a copy to one of your Senators or your Congressman. Its better to do one than none.

Senate.gov

You can look up your Senator. Be polite and short and quote a snippet from Jihad Watch that makes them look at it.

House.gov

We want to build mind share with Congress for Jihad Watch. You can't use html, but just use

www.jihadwatch.org.

We were attacked:

WTC 1993

East African embassies August 1998

USS Cole October 2000

WTC and Pentagon 2001.

Not until after the 4th attack did we do anything.

Bin Laden declared war in 1998.

Complete 9-11 Timeline

Can quote from above as well, short with the link as text.

bin Laden's 1998 Fatwa with bold on quotables

"Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life.” On that basis, and in compliance with Allah’s order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. "

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 1:37 PM

Carolyn writes:

"Look at Zawahiri's hematoma, a real sign of piety"

Actually, it's a SIGN OF THE BEAST

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666)

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 21, 2006 1:39 PM

We were attacked, we are at war. Congress is supposed to protect us. That's in the Constitution. Part of protecting us is stopping immigration by those who already attacked us from the inside. They have to do that, its in the Constitution.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 1:40 PM

Talk about a pipe dream!

Citycat writes

"Mass conversion out of Islam is a pipe dream. Might as well convert them into the first half of the Koran - that's were the teachings are more passifist."

I don't know what "passifist" means, but Islam moved PAST the pacifist stage to the homocidal stage and there it will remain until the beast is slain and the false prophet's name obliterated from the earth.

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at December 21, 2006 1:44 PM

Oath of Office

Source: Congressional Record (House) - Updated March 10, 2005

OATH OF OFFICE MEMBERS, RESIDENT COMMISSIONER, AND DELEGATES

The oath of office required by the sixth article of the Constitution of the United States, and as provided by section 2 of the act of May 13, 1884 (23 Stat. 22), to be administered to members, Resident Commissioner, and Delegates of the House of Representatives, the text of which is carried in 5 U.S.C. 3331:

"I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

has been subscribed to in person and filed in duplicate with the Clerk of the House of Representatives by the following Members of the 109th Congress, pursuant to the provisions of 2 U.S.C. 25

After Pearl Harbor they fulfilled their oath by stopping immigration from Japan and Germany until after World War II was over, and our armies occupied all enemy homelands. They have to stop Muslim immigration until all enemy homelands in the 100 year war the Pentagon has said we are in are occupied or at real peace with us.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 1:46 PM

From the sewer:

VA Rep Asked to Apologize for Anti-Muslim Remarks

In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

VA REP ASKED TO APOLOGIZE FOR ANTI-MUSLIM REMARKS
Rep. Goode slams Quran, election of Muslims, growth of U.S. Islamic community

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 12/19/06) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) tonight called on Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) to apologize for anti-Muslim remarks he made in a recent letter to a constituent.

Goode's letter to the head of the local Sierra Club chapter slammed the planned use of a Quran for the ceremonial swearing-in of Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress. (No religious texts of any kind are used for the official swearing-in ceremony.)

"I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way," wrote Goode. "The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

Goode also decried the growth of the American Muslim community. He wrote, "I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America." (Keith Ellison has traced his family's roots in America to the year 1742.)

SEE: Anti-Muslim Letter Goes Out to Hundreds - Not All are Amused

"Representative Goode's Islamophobic remarks send a message of intolerance that is unworthy of anyone elected to public office," said CAIR National Legislative Director Corey Saylor. "There can be no reasonable defense for such bigotry."

Saylor said Goode should apologize for his remarks and offered to arrange a meeting between the congressman and members of the Muslim community in his district.

The controversy over Representative-elect Ellison's use of the Quran for the ceremonial oath began with a recent commentary by Dennis Prager, a member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, in which he wrote that swearing an oath on the Quran "undermines American civilization." CAIR has asked that Prager be removed from the taxpayer-supported council.

__________________________________________________
NO APOLOGY NECESSARY- CAIR is also attempting to shut down a video game called "Left Behind-Eternal Forces", being sold at Wal-Mart. CAIR says that it promotes religious violence(against Muslims)and that it should be pulled from the shelves......

CAIR should run their mouths in the direction of their beloved co-religionists who are in reality committing religious violence all over the world instead of once again attempting to tell Americans what to buy their children for Christmas....

According to Wal-Mart.....They are not pulling this game.

Posted by: DCWatson at December 21, 2006 1:50 PM

My God! What would the moslems do without us!

Same thing they do now, kill each other and make suvivors suffer.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at December 21, 2006 1:51 PM

Surely it is not a sheer accident -- as Hugh Fitzgerald would have us believe -- that Congressman Goode is a Republican and Congressman Bill Pascrell, Jr., who attacked Goode is a Democrat.

Posted by: remote_control at December 21, 2006 1:53 PM

Americans, check out www.numbersusa.com to get involved with this immigration issue. They make it very easy to get involved sending faxes to all of your particular public officials from your districts, and phone calls, etc. Check them out! Get involved! This site DOES WORK! Hundreds of thousands of faxes are hard for our politicians to ignore.

Posted by: fedupinamerica at December 21, 2006 1:55 PM

Oath for Senators

Oath of Office

History

oath site:senate.gov

Oath info at Wiki

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 1:59 PM

Here is a site for the video game that CAIR has their granny panties twisted over:

http://www.eternalforces.com/

Posted by: DCWatson at December 21, 2006 2:00 PM

He's going to have to kowtow after awhile- it will become a legal battle that will sink him.

DC Watson- you make a good point- Kids playing a religious game are seen as 'intolorant' BUT Muslims murdering Americans and Jews all over hte world aren't? I call bull crap on the game issue! http://sacredscoop.com

Posted by: CottShop at December 21, 2006 2:02 PM

Preamble Constitution

Preamble
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Posted by: Old Atlantic at December 21, 2006 2:03 PM

immigration controls on Muslim countries are supposedly racist, even though Muslims are not members of any single race or ethnic group

It's interesting to note that while Islam is not a race, it's certainly a political, as well as religious ideology. And countries all over have and do impose immigration controls on countries with whom they have political differences (e.g. communist countries vs. non-communist countries, India vs. Pakistan, China vs. Taiwan, North Korea vs. everybody, etc.).

Saudi Arabia has pretty strict immigration rules re: tourist visas...is that racist?

Muslim countries' restrictions on travel to/from Israel....is that racist?

Countries charging different visa fees to residents of different countries....is that racist?

The U.N. imposing sanctions on entire countries....is that racist?

The Arab oil embargo against the USA....was that racist?