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Why is the State Department participating in conferences like this? Why is the State Department participating in conferences with people like Nihad Awad and Mahdi Bray? And why is the State Department spending any time at all discussing "Islamophobia" in the U.S., when, if it exists at all, its cause is clear?
Just in case you're coming in late, Americans are an extraordinarily tolerant people. There are large numbers of immigrants in the U.S. right now, legal and illegal, and apart from some isolated incidents they are not being victimized. The age of "Dogs and Irish Not Allowed" is long gone. Muslims in America are not suffering from any large-scale discrimination or hatred, and much of CAIR's vaunted hate crimes report is trumped-up. "Islamophobia" is a political tool invented by people like the speakers at this conference, for the purposes of providing protected victim status for American Muslims. The primary cause of "Islamophobia," insofar as it exists at all, is precisely the disingenuousness of those same American Muslim leaders when confronted with acts of violence committed by their coreligionists, in the name of the religion. Americans aren't stupid. They can see through the shiftily-worded and inadequate condemnation of terrorism issued by the Fiqh Council of North America.
If anything fuels "Islamophobia," it is this constant jockeying for protected victim status, rather than an honest grappling with what in Islam gives rise to violence and fanaticism, and a rejection of those elements of the religion. But I'm sure that was one hypothesis that went undiscussed at this conference.
"US Govt and American Muslims Engage to Define Islamophobia," by M. A. Muqtedar Khan in Arab News, with thanks to Marshall:
On Dec. 4, 2006, the national leadership of American Muslims met with key senior US government officials to discuss the state of Islamophobia in America and US-Muslim relations. The conference was organized by the Bridging the Divide Initiative of the Saban Center at the Brookings Institution. It was co-sponsored by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding and the Association of Muslim Social Scientists.As the conference chair of the program, the most extraordinary challenge that I faced was to bring together two parties that did not see eye to eye on this issue. While American Muslim leaders and participants were arguing that Islamophobia was not only a reality but rapidly increasing phenomenon in America, the government’s position was that while there have been increased incidences of anti-Muslim episodes in the US, the word Islamophobia deepens the divide between the US and the Muslim world. Other representatives of the government also suggested that the fear that Muslims were referring to was not the fear of Islam but the fear of Muslim terrorism as manifest on Sept. 11, 2001.
Stephen Grand, the director of the US-Islamic World program welcomed the forty plus participants from the US government and the Muslim community and launched the conference. The government was represented by several participants from the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security and associated agencies. The morning keynote address was delivered by Alina Romanowski, the deputy assistant secretary of state for professional and cultural affairs. She was introduced by Ambassador Martin Indyk, director of the Saban Center. He argued the importance of such dialogues at a time when the gap between America and the Muslim world appeared to be widening.
Romanowski reiterated the vision and objectives that Ambassador Karen Hughes seeks to advance at the State Department on public diplomacy. She talked about the three key public diplomacy objectives — offering a positive vision of hope and opportunity around the world that is rooted in America’s belief in freedom, justice, opportunity and respect for all; and fostering a sense of the common values and common interests between Americans and peoples of different countries, cultures and faiths around the world.
But of course, the people she was talking to are not making any significant effort at "isolating and marginalizing the violent extremists and confronting their ideology of hate and tyranny."
The question and answer session was remarkably open and candid. Romanowski agreed to relay the issues raised by the group during her session to others in the State Department. Listening and creating opportunities for people-to-people exchanges and dialogue, she said, was a key component of the work of the Education and Cultural Affairs Bureau at the Department of State.Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations, argued that Islamophobia was a new word but not a new phenomenon. He presented data to indicate that hate crimes against Muslims had risen by 29 percent in the last one year, and in the ten years since 1995 that his organization had collected data on Islamophobic episodes, it has shown nothing but a steady increase. He concluded that being critical of Islam and Muslims is not Islamophobia, but to ridicule the faith and the faithful, certainly is.
Aside from the twaddle about hate crimes (see the link above), what Awad says about criticism versus ridicule is fair enough. But Awad does not behave this way in practice. Speaking personally, I have never ridiculed the faith or the faithful (with the possible exception of the murderous mujahid Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and his Santa hat), and have asked numerous serious questions about Islam and Muslims. All I have received in response from Awad and his colleagues has been abuse. I'd like to know, in light of my own experience, what kind of material "critical of Islam and Muslims" Awad would deem acceptable.
Louay Safi, the executive director of the ISNA leadership Development Center, insisted that Islamophobia deepens the divide between the US and the Islamic world. He argued that increasingly Islam is being presented as a violent and intolerant religion and this message is spreading from the margins to the mainstream. A report entitled “Blaming Islam” authored by Dr. Safi and published by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding was released at the event.
You can find that paper here. It ends with a series of recommendations for the U.S. government, and with none at all for any Muslim body. The implication, once again, is that Muslims have done nothing at all to cause anyone to dislike them; the fault lies entirely with U.S. government policy toward Muslims and Islamic countries.
This displacement of responsibility is pandemic among Muslim leaders worldwide. It never, ever occurs to them, at least publicly, that Islamic supremacism and violence might lead non-Muslims to regard them with suspicion and even distaste. It is always the non-Muslim's fault.
Imam Mahdi Bray, the executive director of MAS Freedom Foundation, expressed concern that in spite of the fact that most Muslims cherish American values, they are portrayed as seditious. He lamented the ignorance of Islam that underpins Islamophobia and suggested that occasionally some measures of the government, when in its overzealous endeavor to prosecute the war on terror it overplays its hand and undercuts Muslim civil rights, may also be contributing to the growing instances of Islamophobia.
Here again: if Mahdi Bray is worried that American Muslims are seen as seditious, instead of complaining about victimization he should be working within the American Muslim community to promote activities that are not seditious. Let American Muslims form their own brigade in Iraq, as Japanese Americans did during World War II. Let them engage in regular, public, and large-scale efforts to educate not non-Muslims (who are once again, as Bray reminds the State Department, "ignorant" of Islam), but Muslims -- about why they should reject the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism. Let them adopt a policy of full transparency about what goes on in the mosques, and encourage cooperation with the police and FBI against jihadists.
Anyway, it sounds as if the keynote speaker tried to inject a bit of rationality into the proceedings:
The afternoon keynote address was delivered by Dan Sutherland, the officer for civil rights at the Department of Homeland Security. Sutherland started by observing that there is “a lot of heat but very little light” on the subject of Islamophobia. He addressed the issue of Islamophobia and the rising hate crimes and anti-Muslim discourse in America head-on. He argued, based on fifty years of statistical data, that America has progressively become less and less racist.Sutherland then spoke at length about the stunning achievements of American Muslims in every sphere of American life asserting that the degree to which American Muslims are integrated and successful belies any claims of systematic Islamophobia in America. He did however concede that there have been several incidences of Islamophobic episodes, but he also claimed that there were many which were resolved in the favor of Muslims and discussed a few cases where the government has interfered effectively on the behalf of Muslims.
The government’s case was very clear; yes there are disturbingly large numbers of incidences that suggest that prejudice is at work, however the overall picture indicates that things are not as bad as some Muslim leaders were claiming them to be.
The final panel of the day included, Ahmed Younis, the national director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad of the Association of Muslim Social Scientists and myself. This panel sought to balance the debate by arguing that while there are disturbing indications of the growth of anti-Muslim prejudice in America, there are several surveys which speak to this reality and that American Muslims must be careful how they talk about Islamophobia.
The panelists also argued that American Muslims must work with the government to not only challenge the anti-Islamic discourse that is spreading in the US, but also work to correct some of the misunderstandings that the government itself maybe harboring about Islam and American Muslims. An additional theme that was explored was the need to challenge anti-Americanism that was spreading within the Muslim community. Recognizing that anti-Americanism and Islamophobia feed each other, the panelists called for simultaneously addressing both prejudices.
Expect CAIR to launch a full-scale nationwide program to combat anti-Americanism among Muslims in the United States. I won't be holding my breath, Ibrahim.
While this was the first US government and American Muslim conference on Islamophobia, there is need for several more such interactions in order to help define the term and come to a common understanding about the extent of anti-Muslim prejudice in America and how the government and the community can jointly address it.
Oh, I'm sure there will be many more, Dr. Khan.
Incidentally, I was recently on a Jamaican radio station with the author of this article, M. A. Muqtedar Khan, to discuss Islam and democracy. Khan and the host insisted that the stunted growth of democracy in the Islamic world was entirely the fault of Western colonialism. When I pointed out that there were no functioning democracies in the Islamic world even before the colonial period, both denied the fact, but offered no evidence for their point of view. It was an exchange that was in many ways typical: the displacement of responsibility for the failures of the Islamic world on the West, the substanceless insistence that Islam can become or already is what it never has been, and indignation at any suggestion that reform might be needed. It doesn't bode well for any genuine resolution of the problem of "Islamophobia," if such a problem really exists at all, in the United States.
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to discuss the state of Islamophobia in America
Is this our 51st State? Where is it located?
The muslims just don't get it. The freedom of speech thing is not something Americans will part with easily. Remember the constitution doesn't give us this right, it guarantees it.
It is so much a part of us that we will never be able to shut up and the more they try to force us the louder we will get.
It illegal to do a lot of things that still get done every day in this country. And personally, since we have trouble making criminals die as "uncomfortably" as their victims died, I don't see the beheadings or stonings getting much play here.
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at December 23, 2006 6:12 PM
Wow...discussing "islamophobia"? lol...may as well discuss why flies cause garbage- a truly absurd waste of time.
Man, now that's money well spent.
sheesh
Posted by: jcom972 at December 23, 2006 6:15 PM
"but to ridicule the faith"
out of the entire article, i find the above comment to be the most troubling and i pray that our elected officials read and/or understand the above comment as such.
but to ridicule the faith is Islamophobic?
i for one am becoming very tired of the Totalitarian Islamic Imperialism i read about happening across the globe every day, and i prey that our elected officials put a stop to it here and now.
but to ridicule the faith is Islamophobic?
I DON'T THINK SO!!
Posted by: samUwell at December 23, 2006 6:21 PM
The only reason that these "Islamic Leaders" are talking in a forum like this; is because they understand that we mean what we say. They also get a little recognition among their peers. I have come to the conclusion that there is no real leader of Islam today. There are influential leaders, however the followers only follow those that are the most persuasive. That persuasion only lasts for a very short bit of time. I was led to this conclusion from an interview of an Imam. Someone asked how he became an Imam. He replied that he was the most persuasive.
Please remember Islamophobia will keep you alive.
Posted by: credit man at December 23, 2006 6:33 PM
"Islamophobia" an irrational fear of Islam, exists.
It is very real.
It doesn't only exist, it grows like a cancer.
Not among us, who are coming to this website (and others) which educate and raise awareness about this absurd totalitarian belief-system called Islam, but amongst our politicians and our pathetic MSM, which results in attacks against Daniel Pipes and Robert Spencer and anyone who tells the truth about this cult.
Those traitors among us who are infected with the virus of 'Islamophobia' are subverting our political and judicial system, they pervert our concept of right and wrong by turning this into a 'racial discrimination'-thing (which 'race' is Islam again?)
The Irrational fear of these fools of being called 'Islamophobic' or 'racist' is the reason why the cult of Islam is not being exposed and ridiculed: These halfwits cause the misunderstanding of Islam to continue, which results in the spread of the cult and the building of more mosques & unhindered da'awa. Instead of attacking Islam, these fools attack US for bringing unpalatable facts out in the open.
Islam has no place in the western world. Unless Mohammedans sign up to the principles of democracy and equal rights we have every right to call for internment and mass-deportations.
The spread of Islam in the western world is destroying everything we hold dear, from freedom of speech to our personal security and the safety of our children.
'ISLAM-AWARENESS'- that is what they fear most. But since turnspeak is an artform for the Mohammedans they call it 'Islamophobia'. How much longer will they get away with it?
Check out 'Zarqawi' on mey new blog:
http://sheikyermami.com/2006/12/19/zarqawi/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at December 23, 2006 6:34 PM
Just more in roads for Muslims to convince, practice taquiya,and kitman on our Government dhimmis that they are being victimized by us non-Muslim Americans.
Yeah us non-Muslims where a terrible lot committing terrorist acts all over the world in Spain, Britain,Bali Indonesia,Darfur and Sudan,Ethiopia, Somalia,Phillipines, Russia,Israel,Afghanistan,Iraq,and trying to undermine the Lebanese democratic government. I certainly can understand why those poor muslims feel like they are victims of American hegemony.
I wonder if there is any evidence that Muslims are Christainophobic, or Jewishophobic? No that cannot be because then they would have to demonstrate antisemitism at least toward the Jews. Has anybody ever seen any evidence of that? You jnow like countries such as Saudia Arabia, and Egypt, Pakistan,Iran,Iraq, Turkey, Syria,have you heard about any Christanophobia, or Jewishophobia in those countries.
More Sensitivity training for the entire Cleveland Police department by Saudi Muslims here, God Help us!
http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Saudi_Arabia/10091547.html
at December 23, 2006 6:39 PM
Learn more about CAIR here:
Posted by: Mackie at December 23, 2006 6:44 PM
We here in the US (who have ANY fear at all) do NOT have an "IRrational fear of islam", but a RATIONAL fear of islam.
Nothing irrational tosurmise logically that if they become the most numerous or most powerful, you are in deep trouble.
Nothing irrational to surmise that anyone who screams "we're a religion of peace! believeit or we'll kill you!" are a threat to life and liberty, not to mention the very existence of humankind.
"islamophobia" is non-sequitur here.
We've reached the logical conclusion, based on accurate info, and careful scrutiny, that we have a problem...and face death if we don't stop this insanity of theirs.
at December 23, 2006 6:44 PM
Our tax dollars hard at work trying to dress up and put perfume on the islamonazifeces.
at December 23, 2006 6:47 PM
Ok, for all those Americans who have trouble understanding the difference between elected and un elected officials, The State dept, is not elected, and the fact that they meet with people who subjugate women means they have sold 50% of the country out. They are employees and not very good ones at that. I am really fed up with guvment officials meeting with the new Nazis. I have a real problem with that. Scum comes to mind but even scum has a few attributes so I guess that is unfair to scum everywhere. I can only hope that these sellouts are all wiped off the face of the earth by their friends the jihadists. I will serve cake and ice cream when that happens. Too mean you say? No way these people deserve to live among us helping others to murder us.
Posted by: tgusa at December 23, 2006 6:49 PM
There is a wonderful illogic at the heart of so much of the nonsense written about "islamopobia." It is this: "islamophobia" is the fault of those who hold these beliefs... they are supposedly wrong-headed, bad or malevolent people. On the other hand, those who hold vehement anti-American beliefs are of course merely reacting to US foreign policies (insert usual list of suspects here). In both cases, clearly, muslim fanatics are responsible for nothing.
Posted by: Obelisk1 at December 23, 2006 6:57 PM
The only way I'd like to see the government meet with CAIR is by showing up at their headquarters with a bunch of paddy wagons and hauling off these idiots to jail. Then it can board up the place and put a nice big "Vacant" sign on the door. CAIR has no business operating and the government has even less business chatting with them unless it brings some search warrants along.
Neither party gets it. If the Light Democrats (i.e. Republicans) are handling CAIR like this I'd be deathly concerned about what the Anarchists
(i.e. Democrats) do regarding CAIR. Hitler probably is cursing his luck at coming along too soon in hell at this very moment.
at December 23, 2006 6:58 PM
Hitler was a camp fire girl compared to the jihadists and he had no where near the following.
Posted by: tgusa at December 23, 2006 7:02 PM
Probe of Islamic ties
'obstructed' by feds
Congressman who chaired panel says public
'would be outraged if they knew the extent'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53485
at December 23, 2006 7:06 PM
Imam Mahdi Bray, the executive director of MAS Freedom Foundation, expressed concern that in spite of the fact that most Muslims cherish American values, they are portrayed as seditious.
Here are two cherished American values that Muslims can never accept without repudiating their own canon (Koran, Hadiths and Sira):
1. Sovereignty of the people, the cornerstone of democratic rule. It not only includes the democratic electoral process, but more importantly, the right of the people to govern themselves with laws that they themselves legislate. Democratic legislation, i.e., parliamentary law, is utterly condemned explicitly by the Koran, Hadiths, Sira and centuries of Islamic jurisprudence.
2. The allocation of human rights without regard to gender or belief. Under shari'a law, men have twice the value of women in the eyes of the law and non-believers in Islam are not entitled to the same treatment under the law as a Muslim. The misogyny and oppression of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim societies cannot be explained away nor sufficiently apologized, for they are both integral components of the immutable Islamic scriptures.
These two values alone represent a fundamental disconnect between the Islamic ideology and the foundation of the American Republic. It is a chasm that can never be closed. It is as fundamental as that which existed between the American ideals and the ideologies of Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, and Communism. They cannot coexist. Period.
If Muslims want to live in America, welcome. But you must leave the features of your political, economic, social and personal belief system that are incompatible with the American value system, at the border. If you do not, then we will find you to be seditious and eventually you will be driven out at the mouths of cannons as our ancestors did with yours.
Posted by: Hulegu Khan at December 23, 2006 7:07 PM
This is the unfortunate tactic the UK government adopted some years ago, that is to negotiate with unelected and unappointed Muslim "representatives".
This has the effect of forcing moderate Muslims to interact with the governement through these self-appointed groups as opposed to through regular channels (ie, Congressman or Senator).
And, as we know, these are radical front groups, this whole process tends to marginalize and silence the quiet Muslim moderate.
Posted by: sonomaca at December 23, 2006 7:15 PM
Might as well call it "naziphobia".
It will soon be against the law to have a negative opinion about islam.
I would have never believed we would have "hate crime" legislation in the United States of America, but the left got it done. It's all about being a protected class, and muslims are going to try for it.
I am so sick of all protected classes, better watch what you say, the secret police will come knocking...
/nazis maybe?
at December 23, 2006 7:16 PM
"Louay Safi, the executive director of the ISNA leadership Development Center, insisted that Islamophobia deepens the divide between the US and the Islamic world."
-- from the article above
He has it wrong. He has it wrong first becuase such a divide exists but is not between the US "and the Islamic world" but between the Islamic world and all Infidels, including not only Americans, and not only the Christians and Jews and the "post-Christian" un-religious of the Western world, but also Christians in sub-Saharan Africa, in Western Europe, in Latin America, and Buddhists in Thailand, nd Hindus in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia, and animists and agnostics and atheists wherever they might be found. That is what has to be constantly said, constantly brought up, whenever this business of the "US" along being on one side of a supposed "divide" with Islam on the other.
And the second thing that is wrong with Louay Safi's remark is that he would have us believe, and has implied, that the cause of such a divide rests with the Americans, with those who permit themselves to indulge, as a few letters attacking Rep. Goode in The New Duranty Times insisted, in "un-American" attitudes toward Muslims -- daring to question their fitness for fitting in to American life, as if that was not the very heart of the matter, and which could only be answered by those who actually knew what was contained in the canonical texts of Islam, and knew the 1350-year history of Jihad-conquest and of subsequent subjugation of non-Muslims, but simply by some pious holier-than-thou belief that "of course Muslims fit in" and "of course" Representative Goode was merely demonstrating his supposed crude jingoism and small-mindedness -- or was it his "racism" (god, anything is possible with these people making their absurd charges) -- when in fact Goode had made an important point and taken an important stand.
The reason for a divide between the world's Muslims (and not only those in the Muslim world, that is in the lands already controlled by Musliims) is that Islam itself is based on a division of the universe between Believer and Infidel. Everywhere in the Qur'an, everywhere in the Hadith, an attitude of violence and aggression and hatred toward Infidels is constantly harped upon, and it is unsurprising, is it not, that if the central duty of Muslims (beyond those five pillars of ritual worship -- shahada, salat, zakat, Ramadan, hajj)-- to participate, singly or collectively, through combat (qitaal) or through the use of other means (financial support, propaganda, Da'wa, demographic conquest)that further the same goal -- and if they are told "do not take Christians and Jews as friends for they are friends only with each other" and if they are told never to recognize or dignifyu the religious holidays of non-Muslims (except in case of outward show, undertaken to promote the cause of Islam), and when the Sira or biography of Muhammad is full of his wars against non-Muslims and his uncomrpomising, often merciless treatment of them (the captured prisoners of the Banu Qurayza, decapitated with his approval; the innofensive Jewish farmers of the Qaybar Oasis, attacked only becasue they could be attacked, and Muhammad wanted to grab their property as booty for himsself and his men), and of course the Qur'an, where not only 9.5 and 9.29 with their insistence on "slaying the unbelievers wherever you find them" and of course all the rest of Sura 9, and then so much of the rest of the Qur'an, is simply a manual of War and hatred directed at all Infidels.
And what does Louay Safi make of the Muslim division of the world not only between Believer and Infidel, which lies at the very heart of Qur'an and Hadith, but also of the division not only between people, the Muslims and all the others, but the equally important division that Muslims see in the world's lands, between Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb, that is between the lands where Islam doominates, and Muslims rule, and those lands, the Lands of the Infidels, the Bilad al=-kufr, where as yet Islam does not dominate and Muslims do not, as yet, rule.
But they are trying. Trying not becausee the doctrine of Jihad suddenly appeared. And not because, as the phony apologist-"experts" on Islam in the West, such as Olivier Roy, would have us believe, because Muslims in the West are disturbed because they are "struggling with how to reconcile their Muslim identity with the Western world" (that's silly, because they are not struggling enough, they are happy to bring Islam and impose it in the Western world, or for that matter in the non-Western lands of the Infidels, and for that matter in the countries where Islam already dominates they are happy to continue persecuting, harassing, driving out, and murdering, all kinds of non-Muslims, Christians, Jews (hardly any left in Muslim-ruled lands by now), Hindus, Buddhists, and all others.
That is the problem that everyone should raise with the likes of Louay Safi, and with CAIR. What about this divide, what about this hatred, what about this aggression, what about this worldview of Islam whose adherents do not for one minute believe in permanent and genuie pluralism, based on the equality of different belief-systems called religions, even if for now they can pretend, in the West, for their purposes, to accept it, but nowhere practice it themselves, and never have done so during the 1360-year history of Islam.
That is what one must never allow to be forgotten, must always and everywhere raise as the central question, and the reason -- the only reason, for Infidels merely are reacting to the Muslim teachings, and to Muslim behavior based on those teachings and that Muslim worldview -- for the divide, not between "the US and the Muslim world" but between Muslims and all the rest.
Posted by: Hugh at December 23, 2006 7:17 PM
I don't have any problem with the State Department meeting with CAIR to discuss Islamophobia in the United States.
Now I think it's about time that the State Department organizes a conference on christianphobia and Jewishphobia in the Islamic world. And since CAIR is so concerned about "Phobias", they should be invited to provide the keynote speaker at the conference.
It would be interesting to hear CAIR delegates explain away the Nazi inspired anti-semitic cartoons that appear daily in newspapers throughout the Muslimn world, and the soap operas that appear regularly on Arab television depecting Jewish Doctors removing the eyes of Palestinian children for transplant to Jewish children, or the graphic scenes of Jewish men draining the blood from innocent Christian children for use in Jewish religions services.
It would be even more interesting to hear CAIR officials deny that ISLAMIC teaching approves of, or encourage, such incredible evil.
I think we desperately need such a confedence in the interest of combating religious phobias, And I think we need concerned organizations like CAIR to lead the charge.
at December 23, 2006 7:31 PM
The guvment silenced Mcviegh and that should tell you where many guvment employees stand. They wanted him dead(quiet) fast and they got their wish. A bunch of babykillers, there is no other way to describe it.
“the secret police will come knocking...”
I’m right here, waiting, better bring some qualified idiots though, I’m not a product of the wimpified state.
at December 23, 2006 7:41 PM
With "Islamophobia" they want to howl "victim!" but at the same time make us afraid.
Are Moslems afraid of Islamophobia?
The term Islamophobia was coined in an attempt to give a name for what Moslems perceived as an antipathy towards their ideology. Observing that the term antisemitism used to describe an unreasonable hatred for Jews, Moslems wanted to come up with a similar catch-phrase to embody the dislike for their actions and ideology rising in the non-Moslem world.
The most natural designation for the antipathy they perceived would have been anti-Islamism or anti-Moslemism, but that did not contain what Msolems wanted to get across. It made them into victims, which was okay with them for their purposes, but it also made them appear as weak victims. And this they did not want. They did not want to appear as the beaten-down Islamic equivalent of the spat-upon Jews that were the target of antisemitism.
Whether this was done consciously or unconsciously does not matter, Moslems came up with the word Islamophobia.
This served their purpose well. A phobia is a fear: Acrophobia--fear of heights, Arachnophobia-fear of spiders, Claustrophobia--fear of enclosed spaces, etc. Ergo: Islamophobia--fear of Islam.
They threw this at us as if shouting, "You are afraid of Islam!" this serves a dual purpose, it makes us ponder whether we are or not (weakness) and it makes us feel guity that we are anti-Moslem, a religion, the Arab race, the whole package.
Turning the Tables
"How to Strike Fear into the Hearts of Your Enemies"
Apparently an Islamic dictum is make your enemy tremble with fear and then to strike him.
But Fear is but a weapon, a tool, like a gun, It can be used against us and by us. Moslems fear us. No matter how they boast, strut about and brag. Using poetic hyperbole (Saddam Husssainl "The Mother of All Battles") they try to strike fear into our hearts.
When we tell the Islamic world that we will destroy them were they to attack us --the type of attack that would trigger swift and terrible retribution, where the type of response is left open (it is our choice) , they should be concerned. We are not as "nice" and soft as some of our more public faces and voices make us appear to be.
When it comes, it will be brutal. (Nagasaki, Hiroshima were but rehearsals for what is awaiting the Islamic world were it to strike the "trigger blow.")
Our leaders will not always be close with Islamic houses. It will not always have such idiots a Jimmy Carter speaking for us. The Kosovo Moslem trickery played on Bill Clinton (and us gullible ninnies) was a good one. But, we will have the leaders we need when we go to war. When the war comes, the real war, it will be the jihadists who will soil their bloomers.
from
http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com
at December 23, 2006 7:41 PM
We must admit we are on the right track. It is becoming harder to hide their jihadist agenda thanks to JW and others. Some people have already made their choice on who they want to live with. Good, I’m glad that it is out in the open for all to see. They have become frantic in their attempts to silence the truth. They cant stand the light and eventually it will destroy them.
Merry Christmas everyone, I feel great!
at December 23, 2006 8:15 PM
I’m of the opinion that Islam presents a greater threat to democracy than it does to our culture; this pandering reinforces my worry. The jury’s out as to whether or not our fractured democracy can say no to anybody.
I though this link was interesting, especially the references to Plato and Aristotle (you thought Buchanan was tough?). It is a research proposal by a group of guys looking to be funded by the government for $490k. It argues that a return to Totalitarianism is possible in the foreseeable future and that we need to pay them to save us.
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Projects/Total/Totalfundproposal.htm
at December 23, 2006 8:23 PM
OT Sorry,
There is a contract going for mechanics in Afghanistan. Can anybody tell me if the bases out there are coming under more fire than the big Iraqi bases like Balad? (Which isn't a great amount).
My bro was at Camp Stryker and my dad is at Balad. But me and my bro are going to apply for Afghanistan if its not mortarhitaville.
at December 23, 2006 8:33 PM
The freedom of speech which is from the US constitution will be the stumbling block for muslim appologists and need to be protected at all costs. Lets hope more conservative judges get into courts. one good thing Bush has done.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 23, 2006 8:33 PM
Way to go Mert! If you need anything just leave a post here and I will do what I can.
Posted by: tgusa at December 23, 2006 8:39 PM
True, butold news...
Latest poll indicates dislike for such islamics as saudi arabia (among others) remain in the 80 percentile. Man, that's a lot of "-phobes".
That should serve as a really big clue to CAIR.
at December 23, 2006 8:45 PM
I suffer from encephalophilia.
Posted by: Beagle at December 23, 2006 8:47 PM
"The government’s case was very clear; yes there are disturbingly large numbers of incidences that suggest that prejudice is at work, however the overall picture indicates that things are not as bad as some Muslim leaders were claiming them to be."
This is what we've been saying for quite a while...Trumped up reporting of Anti-Muslim "Hate Crimes"....And now, it looks like the government is seeing right through this crap being thrown up against the wall by CAIR, Bray, the MPAC, and the rest of their little buddies.
Posted by: DCWatson at December 23, 2006 8:52 PM
Far be it from me to point some obscure historical fact out....but at the height of the colonial period, there WEREN'T ANY DEMOCRACIES.
There were many, many monarchies and oligarchies.
at December 23, 2006 8:54 PM
"Matoko":
With respect, you miss the point. I said nothing above about the prevalence of democracies in the world at any point. Muqtedar Khan and his ally were asserting that democracy in the Islamic world had been forestalled by colonialism, and that Islam contained within it elements that naturally tended toward the establishment of democracies. If that were true, one would expect to find evidence of it somewhere in the world at some point. Alas, we do not.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at December 23, 2006 9:00 PM
“Anti-Muslim "Hate Crimes” DCWatson
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006585.htm
What unmitigated nerve!
at December 23, 2006 9:01 PM
I recall that couple of weeks backs I had posted a message "I don't have hope. non muslims will fall into dhimmitude in the name of democracy in India and USA". Someone had responded saying that do not compare USA with India, In USA there are people willing to fight Dhimmitude and submission.
But looking at all this sensitivity etc... I am positive that we are falling into dhimmitude. I am glad that atleast we have good number of people from mexico immigrating. If not there will be a demographic problem like the one Eurabia faces. Almost 30% of people below 25 are childrens of muslim immigrants in France.
Does anyone want to bet that USA won't be in similar boat?
By the way if America is so bad and discrimination against muslims is rampant, why are so many muslims immigrating?
Posted by: Desi at December 23, 2006 9:04 PM
Done 1st ID in Wurzburg mate but obviously the Germans weren’t shooting rounds onto the base. Are kid was at Balad for nearly a year from February 2005 and they had more incoming then, so he's better prepared. He was at Camp Stryker when the ammo dump got it.
I did my bit for the 1st ID at Wurzburg, but I would like some warning about what I should expect if I get the job. (That’s not guaranteed from the company.)
Monies good though and it’s the usual 12 months contract. A guy I know flew out to Kuwait and got laid off after five days. There’s little work that i know of for Brits in Iraq at the mo but my dad has six months on his contract
Posted by: Mert at December 23, 2006 9:10 PM
Discourse is spreading? Thanks to the help of: the flying Imams for their setup; that threatening idiot in Iran; the other idiot Zawahri; 19 muslims on 911; CAIR using and abusing our free society values against our own people; Ellison intending to bring the koran to the capitol.............
Meanwhile you hear no condemnation by muslims en masse against Al queda, Hamas, Hezbullah, the idiot in Iran, no effort to fight extremism. Have they offered up any help on the international front against terror? No, and they won't. Too busy subjugating American society....the real agenda.
Yep, discourse is spreading!
Posted by: sounder at December 23, 2006 9:16 PM
Desi,
I will take that bet and raise it with the Constitution and the American people. Get out, look around the country and then tell me you still want to make that bet.
at December 23, 2006 9:25 PM
Don't worry guys, the Muslims in the West by not accepting democracy in toto are digging their own tomb.
A democracy cannot accommodate a group who demands the freedom to be critical against others (what would be islam without its hackneyed diatribes against israel?), while at the same time shouting outrage when other members of the democracy exercise the same right against islam.
There is no Islamophobia, there is just phobia against any open and frank discussion of islam.
at December 23, 2006 9:30 PM
Mert, my son has been there for about six months now at three different bases -- from very small (company-size with SF) to medium size. He hasn't been mortared yet there, although he was in Iraq. In fact, up until the arrival of winter the hunting has been quite good!
As for this topic, those of you unfamiliar with US State Department should know that is chock full of Arabists and is a bureaucracy that is not controlled by the administration or even the Secretary of State. Those people live in their own ivory tower world to the detriment of us all.
at December 23, 2006 9:49 PM
If the Muslims really believe that they are suffering under almost unbearable "Islamophobia" in the United States, would it not follow that they strongly DISCOURAGE any further Muslim immigration to the US? Perhaps Mr.Spencer could ask that question the next time he is a discussing the issue of Islamophobia with a Muslim.
Posted by: maryrose at December 23, 2006 9:50 PM
Islamophobia is not real. It doesn't exist. A phobia is an obsessive or irrational fear or anxiety. There is nothing obsessive or irrational in our anxiety about the threat posed by Islam. Maybe we should stop using the word, unless it's to describe what the other side is saying. If we describe our own reaction to the threat we face as "Islamophobia", we say our fears are unreasonable, and they aren't.
Posted by: PMK at December 23, 2006 9:55 PM
Somebody here a while back came up with the word ‘Islamosavvy’. That seems to be a more appropriate word.
Posted by: limes at December 23, 2006 10:01 PM
Mahdi Bray, the executive director of MAS Freedom Foundation, lamented the ignorance of Islam that underpins Islamophobia.
One thing he doesn't understand is that ignorance is bliss. Personally, the more I learn about Islam, the more I realize the threat it poses to free people everywhere.
Posted by: PMK at December 23, 2006 10:02 PM
Why is the State Department participating in conferences with people like Nihad Awad and Mahdi Bray?
Did Condi throwing another Eid-al-Fatr State dinner this year to toast leaders of the Moslem community in America? I remember last year's, it was awesome.
610 * 623 * 732 * 1066 * 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001
If you leave here tonight with one message let it be this, because I think this misconception is at the heart of the problems between America and the Islamic world. We can differ over whether a specific decision or act was wise, or even whether it was respectful or disrespectful of Islam, but I assure you that the U.S. Government and the vast majority of its citizens have great respect for Islam and for Muslims.
--- Stephen Schwartz Chargé d'Affaires, Nov. 9 2005
Vast majority. What was Schwartz's research on this I wonder.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at December 23, 2006 10:03 PM
How is any 'dialogue' with Muslims possible? Even the best of them can brook no alternative world-view.
Better to discuss the weather, or the rising price of eggs.
Posted by: Dane at December 23, 2006 10:05 PM
"what Awad says about criticism versus ridicule is fair enough."
Actually, ridicule should flow just as freely as criticism; and there is much about Islam that deserves to be ridiculed by intelligent and mature Infidels.
at December 23, 2006 10:08 PM
"By the way if America is so bad and discrimination against muslims is rampant, why are so many muslims immigrating?"
Desi,
It's simple. We are Dar-al-Harb (house of war). Muslims go where they must in order to enlarge Dar-al-Islam and then let demographics do the rest. They may take a few generations to make their presence felt, but they don't see that as a problem. Patience is a virtue.
Posted by: PMK at December 23, 2006 10:15 PM
Am I Islamophobic if I should ask the question of how does Allah allow sex in heaven, if in heaven it's not needed ? Since you change your body from mortality to immortality, wouldn't everyone entering the gates of heaven be "virgins" ?
I sense, Islam's heaven must be a great big Orgy !
Posted by: Jeff at December 23, 2006 10:16 PM
tgusa,
I wish and pray in my heart that USA doesn't fall into Dhimmitude. I have glimmer of hope. If at all there is one country in this world that can turn the tide against dhimmitude, it is USA. But sometimes looking at dhimmi politics, it is disappointing.
God bless USA.
Posted by: Desi at December 23, 2006 10:20 PM
After 9/11, has the Slave Department called muslims to put them on notice? NO! Reason? Dubya is corrupterd by wahhhabbi wealth from the start.. with Bin LAdens and BAndars funding Arbosto and other failed busineesses.. b ut enough to corrupt USA's highest office. Needless to add Condi, the herad of the Slave Department is serving her wahhabbi masters by catering to CAIR. It is as simple as that.
Posted by: Alert at December 23, 2006 10:22 PM
Patience is a virtue; -PMK
Yes, and its also in the playbook:
8:66 For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand, they shall overcome two thousand by Allah’s permission; and Allah is with the patient.
Mohammed puts the ‘critical percentage’ at 33% believer. I’d have to give him credit for being about right on the math.
at December 23, 2006 10:24 PM
Until a year ago I knew nothing about Islam. I was an easy going person minding my own business until one day news, images from the middle east raised my interest. Now I see it all in a very different light. The threat is unrelenting and it is real, proven by the hatred and vile being spewed by muslims all around the world. This is not a threat from some obscure minorty. The so called moderate muslims will someday have to make a choice and I now know what side they will surely take. Immigration will see to it. Call it Islamofobia? or reality"?
Posted by: sounder at December 23, 2006 10:28 PM
We have islamophobia because they have islamomania.
Posted by: tgusa at December 23, 2006 10:45 PM
It is pointless to discuss "islamophobia" with CAIR.
CAIR's position is rational to the islamist mind. The islamist premise is that islam is the only true ideology. It follows that only muslims are innocent and any attack on islam is phobic. To the islamist this logic is entirely rational.
This same position is irrational to non-muslims because we do not accept their premise. We see islam as one of a set of competing ideologies, and therefore, fear of islam cannot be phobic.
As long as the two sides cannot agree on the premise of this argument, debate or discussion is pointless.
Posted by: WillPower at December 23, 2006 10:48 PM
From the article:
Islamophobia was not only a reality but rapidly increasing phenomenon in America
I'm not sure about that, but I'm sure I suffer from beheadophobia, blownupophobia, flyingplanesintobuildingsophobia, and drivingSUVsintopedestriansophobia. And to the group of people doing the beheading and the rest, I can only offer my sincere apologies. I am so ashamed.
He presented data to indicate that hate crimes against Muslims had risen by 29 percent in the last one year
Data points from 2005:
Case #1: An infidel gave a True Believer a dirty look at the Hoboken, NJ Wash-n-Wait laundromat.
Case #2: An infidel cashier refused to accept the simultaneous use of 4 welfare cards under 4 different names at the Cub Foods Warehouse in St. Paul, MN by a True Believer's wife.
Case #3: An infidel walking a dog in Boise, ID allowed the dog to walk in the grass in front of a True Believer's house, causing humiliation.
Case #4: An infidel at the Denver, CO airport got into a cab driven by a Somali True Believer while wearing perfume (which contained a percentage of alcohol).
In the following year 2006, there were an unbelievable FIVE cases of such outrageous behaviour, meaning a 25% increase. Things are obviously spiraling dangerously out of control, and in response to CAIR's pressure, the Administration has created a new Department of Homeland Islamophobia, tasked with prosecuting infidels anywhere they dare speak of Islam with anything but pure reverence.
at December 23, 2006 10:54 PM
I would like to sincerely thank Robert, Hugh and all involved in this site for their efforts to get the truth out. This thread and the post that inspired it are perfect examples of the excellence in information dissemination and analysis. I very much appreciate the expertise required to bring us the facts. Specifically, the decoding of Islam and all of its insanity. Sometimes when I am stunned by the arrogance, innacuracies and blatant Islamic propoganda, I can come to this site and read others who feel like I do. Our fate is in our hands and good will triumph over the evil that is Islam. Merry Christmas!
Posted by: CarpeDiem at December 23, 2006 10:58 PM
"All I have received in response from Awad and his colleagues has been abuse." -- Robert
Robert, there is a name for what afflicts them. It's an irrational fear of free debate and honest dialogue:
SPENCERPHOBIA!
Posted by: alexon at December 23, 2006 11:11 PM
Excellent post Special_Guest; Funny, and True!
Posted by: alexon at December 23, 2006 11:14 PM
Somebody high up in a position of authority and power needs to send a Message to Western Muslims crying ISLAMIPHOBIA!...
SHUT UP ALREADY!!!
go back to the lands of opportunity and Peace and tolerance that you crawled out of if you feel persecuted here!
Oh the Humanity!
at December 23, 2006 11:47 PM
Special_Guest, I share all your phobias, but have cultivated a few of my own, thanks to JihadWatch:
dependence-on-petroleophobia, and can't-call-it-BSophobia.
at December 23, 2006 11:56 PM
"The reason for a divide between the world's Muslims (and not only those in the Muslim world, that is in the lands already controlled by Musliims) is that Islam itself is based on a division of the universe between Believer and Infidel." Posted By Hugh..
A simple statement, but it is soaked in truth. Islam is "racist" to the core, and in conflict with the laws that are the foundation of this great land.
Wait until islam starts to scream for muslum only blood at the red cross, ours is not acceptable for them. This request will be a demand soon. Who really has a "phobia" ?
Perhaps those on the planes on 9/11 had a rational fear of islam, and this has just been spreading to all from then on.
at December 23, 2006 11:59 PM
If only Hitler had such a propaganda machine at work in the States during W.W.II. Thank God He didn't! It bodes ill for us that CAIR though is alive and well and acts with the blessings of our own government.
Posted by: Monkeywho at December 24, 2006 12:11 AM
Robert posted:
"...that Islam contained within it elements that naturally tended toward the establishment of democracies. If that were true, one would expect to find evidence of it somewhere in the world at some point. Alas, we do not."
That is perfectly true.
Allow me to wear my professional hat for a moment, please. As many of you will already know I am an Archaeologist and, by necessity, an Historian. Let me say that, in either discipline, there is absolutely no evidence - archaeologic or historic - that any moslem society ever contemplated moving towards any form of democracy at any time in history. None what-so-ever. Anywhere at all. Ever.
Indeed, there is a plethora of evidence from both disciplines that quite the reverse is true. All moslem societies, everywhere and in all ages and in every case, have moved towards, and - in many cases - achieved, the totalitarian and theocratic version of government. Abundant evidence exists that this movement (towards theocratic totalitarianism) has almost invariably led to stagnation, within moslem societies, in every field of human endeavour - without exception.
If anyone is interested I will provide citations - use Google and you can get them for yourselves.
Dominic.
at December 24, 2006 12:16 AM
As Barbara Smoker, President of the National
Secular Society in London said:
"...Mohammed (570-632) laid it down that, to avoid the sort of corruption that had beset Judaism and Christianity, his new religion must never accept any change of any kind. And to this day, the true Moslem continues to obey this injunction and resist anything new in social mores."
Well. She's correct, isn't she?
BTW, read at
http://www.crise.ox.ac.uk/pubs/workingpaper3.pdf
and then tell me just what they missed out and how stupid this so-called paper actually is. Pay special attention to page 22 and those surrounding it. What a load of balderdash! Basic Human Brain Activity 101 should suffice as a qualification for ridiculing this PDF.
Dominic.
Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at December 24, 2006 12:32 AM
Couldn't we as a group do something to go after CAIR, you know, turn the tables on them? The best defense is a good offense and if we were to shine the light on what they are doing by telling everyone we know about them, starting with the infamous flying Imam debacle, (to which I haven't heard a single person in my sphere of influence defend that behavior,) we could hammer them relentlessly, countering every lie and calculated media set up. Honestly, they don't seem to be very bright. They depend on the self imposed stupidity and lack of reality that is the hallmark of our news media, in order to further their cause. If they really had to go up against the intellectuals who post here, I don't believe they would last very long, or would have to change their tactics to keep the fight going. But since we have superior education and technology we could out fox them. If you don't believe me, just listen to Ibrahim Hooper when he's whining. How embarassing, (for him.)
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 24, 2006 1:00 AM
Dear Necessitas,
Simply knowing what the acronym CRISE (Center for Research on Inequality, Human Security and Ethnicity) stands for is enough to determine the level of idiocy represented by this PDF. I could barely read one page of this garbage before my brain went into a defensive shut-down mode.
Posted by: WillPower at December 24, 2006 1:06 AM
There used to be just the race card and now we have the Islamophobic card. Who they gonna blame when there is no more white folk to kick around? To paraphrase Nixon. Without "Western colonialism" everyone would be living in a pile of s*#t! It's the third world gonna drag us down man. Sorry I am just sick of this.
Long live the Anglosphere.
Merry Christmas to all!
Posted by: pigtails not veils at December 24, 2006 1:16 AM
shunned as i am now by neighbors and almost my wife i tell you the problem is this,,they say
allah is the same as the judeo christian God..
..everyone worships the same god they say..
i try to tell them of the conflicts therein..
they say.. matters not what's in the quran ..muslims worship same god as us.,i am trying to communicate this weird notion to you.(the reader). allah is the same as God..i would appreciate(references to)
what i know are arguements to the contrary at this site referenced..thank you..
at December 24, 2006 1:52 AM
in other words ..christians think everyone is like them..
Posted by: Madduck at December 24, 2006 2:08 AM
An Islamophobe is one that the Muslims hate.
Posted by: george_rem at December 24, 2006 2:18 AM
All you ignorant Americans are just too stupid to understand the true path of knowledge as revealed to Muhammad. Let us show you how to control your whole life through a system of rituals and regimens as described in our rambling, collection of epileptic musings by a deranged pedofile, warlord. Never mind the violent parts, we don't take their meaning literal...after all...Islam is the Religion of Peace.
Posted by: Xero G at December 24, 2006 2:32 AM
CAIR and "Islamophobia"
All CAIR cares about is using American laws to prevent Americans from speaking out against radical, militant jihad. Instead of crying victum and useing our laws against us, CAIR should do something to stop the radical Muslims all around the world that are giving Islam a bad name. If CAIR cares that Radical Muslims are causing Islam to be seen as a violent and dangerous religion, they need to address the cause for the disease, not try to treat the symptoms. Our government needs to instruct CAIR to stop the cause of Islamophobia or to shut up, or better yet, leave!
Posted by: Joe61 at December 24, 2006 2:55 AM
Is it to make the American people so angry that they rebel.. I feel so sorry for you America, your leadership seems to be devoid of any intellect..
You would have thought that by now that they would have been looking as to why millions of Muslims are terrorists, is in really because they are in fact waging war against us and our leaders are toooo stupid to see. our leaders and the media keep telling us it is a few terrorists hmmmmm over one million of them...sure sounds pretty harmless to me eh...
at December 24, 2006 2:57 AM
We have to realise that because CAIR is doing nothing to stop the cancer, and in fact are putting the restrictions on us that they are one of the main causes of these horrors.. isnt that obvious to any normal person.. I have never heard CAIR say anything against their terrorists, but we sure hear continuious talk about how we are terrible to them....... once again, hmmmmm
Posted by: Gaye at December 24, 2006 3:01 AM
Oh great! I get a break from making Christmas cookies, (from frosting the same cookie tree green then sprinkle little dots, over and over...) and this, THIS, is what I get to read? That our government is going to have a conference on Islamophobia? Aagghh! I'm lucky I have a TV, I almost threw my remote at Anderson Cooper when he was calling Virgil Goode a bigot, a racist, and all kinds of other nasty names - bringing on "experts" to agree with him! The world has run mad! 9-11 was a lifetime ago for these folks, I suppose, or maybe they think it was an inside job... false flag they call it now! Bah!
Anyhow, Madduck what you need to remind people is that, to a Christian, Jesus Christ is the personification of God, the Word of God, the Word become flesh. He is the reflection of all that God is, in a human form. So, when we think of God, or when there is a visitation from God in a human likeness, it is the person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. To a Muslim, this is unthinkable, it is blasphemy! In fact, a Muslim prays 5 times a day a specific prayer, called the salat. Twice during this prayer, (yes, it is the one with the bottom in the air) two times, they deny Jesus Christ (the begotten). So, that means that it is so important to a Muslim, to distinguish between their god and the Christian God, that over a billion Muslims declare it so ten times a day. That is simply obsessive in my opinion. Tell them that, it should get them thinking.
Posted by: Kay at December 24, 2006 3:40 AM
cair keep trying to make us to believe that the United States is a hotbed of Islam phobia as a human rights organization. The only human rights. They seem to recognize our their idea of right and it appears. They believe Islamic terrorists should not be bothered by any laws and rejections on there movements a six. Muslim leaders. They are crying about profiling about overthese people did everything they could to get arrested and thrown off the airplane in what seemed to be a publicly spunt Manufacturing a so-called Islama phobia incident
Posted by: islamakapigeaters at December 24, 2006 4:12 AM
I believe that US Citizens are beginning to actually hate Muslims, and that it is just a matter of time, until hate crimes against Muslims begin to become commonplace in the USA.
The awareness of US Citizens, to the extreme hatred that Islam has for all Infidels, and the Insane Final Solution that Islam has for all Infidels, is just now beginning to percolate up into their consciousness.
Hate begets Hate times two.
It alway has, and it always will.
Islam had damn well better win its sick War against Humanity, because if it does not, the world is going to remain a very unhealthy place for Muslims, for the next few centuries.
Muslims have been cultivating their hatred for the entinre human race (Muslims think that they are Homo Superior, and not merely Homo Sapiens, like the rest of us) for over 1,000 years, so US Citizens have a lot of catching up to do, in the Hate department.
They are quick learners, though, and have the power to vote, so instituting Reverse Sharia... where Muslims are treated the way Jews and Infidels are treated in Saudi Arabia... will probably not take longer than a few election cycles.
Posted by: cheese_burger at December 24, 2006 7:15 AM
"Islamophobia" is a political tool invented by people like the speakers at this conference, for the purposes of providing protected victim status for American Muslims".-Robert
That is exactly the truth. The CAIR deceivers even copy the "sexual orientation" mantra of "homophobia". However, it is not going to work because people in the US realize that the protected class in America must be non-Muslims. Non-Muslims in the US and elsewhere are potential victims of oppression, exploitation and violence similar to what the Filipino and other foreign "guests" suffer in Saudi Arabia. The more non-Muslims know about Islam, the more non-Muslims know that non-Muslims must be given protected class status in America and elsewhere. People are not buying CAIR's deception.
Posted by: Frank at December 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Islam is the Cancer that infests all of us. I will fight it with all of my strength and my dying breath of Jesus rules. OH I forgot that we can no longer support our own religion. It must be Allahs. Stand up you sorry sack of shitssss. You have been robbed of all of your freedoms, Islam is coming for you, phobia, or not.
Posted by: taowarrior at December 24, 2006 8:11 AM
"The awareness of US Citizens, to the extreme hatred that Islam has for all Infidels, and the Insane Final Solution that Islam has for all Infidels, is just now beginning to percolate up into their consciousness".-Cheese Burger
You nailed it. As Tariq Ramadan has pointed out, Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth." The perception that Kafirs do not recognize truth creates a whole array of rationalizations and perceptions re Kafirs that result in conscious and unconscious supremacist attitudes and behavior.
It never occurs to these belief-system adherents (some call them Nazi-style-supremacist-pigs) that their belief-system may be false. They treat the belief-system as a fact and bow to a place where Kafirs and non-Arabs generally are abused and exploited. Its supremacist attitude ultimately rationalizes a Final Solution of the Kafir problem since Kafirs do "not recognise the last message as the truth."
at December 24, 2006 8:22 AM
Kay, this is very interesting, I have never heard that before, and if so then once again Muslims are plicating us by telling us that we have the same God.. The God of Christians is not a moon god so I dont know how they can say that, but can you help us out here Kay and tell us where we can find this as it is important to show the rest of the sleeping west...
I dont know how we can wake your government up as if they dont have the brains to read for themselves what is in the Muslim holy books then they dont deserve to be there, they listen to Muslims themselves while Muslims are allowed to lie for the cause of Allah,,, they should be listening to ex clerics and people who have extensively studied islam like Hugh and Robert... Surely the non-stop world wide Muslim violence should be enough to stop and wonder why... Oh I guess not, they are too stupid... and I believe that your left are even worse...
at December 24, 2006 8:22 AM
Since Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth" it makes sense to decieve, exploit and even kill them. People who are so wrong headed deserve the Final Solution. The belief-system rationalizes a whole array of suppremisist attitudes because Kafirs are people who do "not recognise the last message as the truth".
It's sick.
Posted by: Frank at December 24, 2006 8:31 AM
Kay-
Islam is the only major belief-system that permits any deception at all. Jesus (e.g.)continuously condemns all deception-hypocrisy as coming from the "evil one". Though I have great reservations about belief-systems generally, Jesus is as far from Mohammad as the command to always tell the truth is from the permission to deceive. The theme of hypocrisy-deception as being the emptiness of evil caused Christ to be gentle with admitted sinners but express great anger at deceiver-hypocrites. The difference is deception. To be a true follower of Jesus means one must never deceive anyone.
Posted by: Frank at December 24, 2006 8:52 AM
More proof positive that our government has learned nothing since 9/11. To this very day, they still don't understand what Islam really is. Instead, in the usual liberal masochism and stupidity, they are now turning on us, their own American people, for having the sheer audacity to actually think for ourselves and to say what we think. They are, in effect, blaming us for the crimes of the muslims against us. Do they honestly believe the muslime invaders are going to love them in return? They must be drunk or high or both............
Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 24, 2006 10:27 AM
Call me Islamophobic.
I am a proud Islamophobic.
I am for expelling all Muslims and their evil cult called "Islam" from the West and especially from America.
Yes, Islamophobia should not be something to be ashamed of, we shouldn't be afraid to express exactly what we feel about Islam and the Muslims.
Honestly, don't you want the Muslims out of America? I certainly do, this minutes before the next one.
Be proud of being Islamophobic. Face your enemies, call them by what they are: Islamofascists.
Do not being afraid of the Muslims, they are hiding and shielding themselves by your own laws.
Do not let them use your Constitution against you.
They will rob you from your land and culture.
Do not be politically coward.
Let's work on kicking the Muslims out of America once and for all.
Not a single Muslim should be allowed to enter our land again. And Mosques must be demolished.
Let's take America back.
Posted by: Independent Conservative at December 24, 2006 12:53 PM
People and groups who cry "discrimination against Muslims" need to be shown that "Islamophobia" is totally bogus. If they want to know what is real racial hatred and irrational fear, have them see how their Muslim brothers daily engage in baseless discrimination and hatred against Jews.
Ask them, "Do you hear groups of Westerners chanting, "Death to Muslims?"
"Do you see Westerners burning the flags of Muslim countries?"
"Do you see Westerners boycotting the goods from Muslim countries?
"Do you see Westerners demanding that Muslims return all the land they captured from Europeans, Africans, and Asians?"
"Do you see any Anti-Muslim curriculum in grade schools like they have anti-Jeish currioculum in Muslim countries?"
"Do you hear or see any anti-Muslim broadcasts that compare Mulims to apes and pigs?"
"Do you hear any Western priests or rabbis calling for fatwas against Mislims?"
THere is no such thing as Islamophobia -- it is another Muslim myth like the one about how Jews use the blood of Muslim children for making bread.
Posted by: DrRJP at December 24, 2006 4:32 PM
Independent Conservative you say...Call me Islamophobic.
Well Independent Consservative, I am also murderophobic, rapeophobic, terrorophobic, criminalophobic, etc,,, I am ophobic against anything that is going to hurt other humans, and it doesnt make me a naughty girl...
at December 25, 2006 1:50 AM
hey DrRJP that is a jolly good idea, lets start
chanting "Death to Muslims?"
lets burning the flags of Muslim countries?"
lets boycote the goods from Muslim countries?
lets demanding that Muslims return all the land they captured from Europeans, Africans, and Asians?" it will save billions of lives, they didnt have it before mohammad started his murderious rampage.. they demand Israel gives land back so we want this land back...
Lets see any Anti-Muslim curriculum in grade schools like they have anti-Jewish and non Muslim currioculum in Muslim countries?" Lets warn our children of the hell that they are up against, could save billions of lives...
Lets have anti-Muslim broadcasts that compare Mulims to apes and pigs?"
Lets hear our leaders and Western priests or rabbis calling for fatwas against Muslims?"
THere is no such thing as Islamophobia -- they cant expect to torture, rape, slaughter etc tens of thousands of people every year and expect us to say what a good people they are, especially when we dont see any of their leaders or clerics stopping it,, the odd one talks about it but does nothing as we knew they wouldnt..
Posted by: Gaye at December 25, 2006 2:00 AM
Mackie, you are so right, Muslims are Jewophobic, Christianophobic and infidelophobic here is the proof...and this is just the Jews..
Statistics of Jews in Arab Countries: Shocking - These stats were taken from "Myths and Facts" - a great book by Mitchell B. Bard. You can go to the internet link for this book at: http://standwithus.com/links.asp
First number is from the year 1948, the second number is taken from the year 2000:
Algeria 140,000...........Less than 100
Egypt 75000,....................... 200
Iran 100,000,..........12,000 to 40,000
Iraq 150,000,.......................100
Lebanon 20,000,.................... 100
Libya 38,000,........................ 0
Morocco 265,000,..................5,800
Syria 30,000,.......... ............200
Tunisia 105,000,.. ...............1,500
Yemen 55,000,........ ..............200
Do we need to say more.. and christians fair no better...
at December 25, 2006 8:01 AM
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