>Defying curfews, hundreds took to the streets vowing revenge in Samarra, north of Baghdad, and gunmen paraded and fired into the air in support of Saddam in Tikrit, his hometown.

I just can't help it, but- these brave warriors had the chance to support and rally around Saddam
when he was on the run before he was captured.
Where were they? Hiding thats where.

What did they think was going to happen? How brave they are now after its too late.

Go figure.

Posted by: havekoranwilltravel at December 31, 2006 9:04 AM

Outside the Sunni insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, west of the capital, loyalists marched with Saddam pictures and waved Iraqi flags.

Seems like a chance to zap a few thousand terrorists was missed here. A couple of daisycutters would have done the trick.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 31, 2006 9:08 AM

Defying curfews, hundreds took to the streets vowing revenge in Samarra, north of Baghdad, and gunmen paraded and fired into the air in support of Saddam in Tikrit, his hometown.

Where were the Spectre gunships when you needed them? The Gatlings should have been rattling merrily away.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 31, 2006 9:10 AM

It only took until last night for a reporter
to claim that Saddam's look-alike was hanged and not the actual Saddam, in fact the conspiracy
seems to now reach back to the spider hole and how the USA planted the look-alike to appease
Voters in the USA and help Bush appear to be winning the War.

Where the hell are all these reporters as the conspiracy unfolds , or is this another example of the MSM tripe to create a crisis so they can investigate it ad nauseum to track down the real Saddam.
Maybe he's on a golf course in Florida with OJ and they're looking for the real killers that they are taking the blame for by the media lies.
Saddams new book...If I had gased the Kurds this is how I would have done it, if I did gas them that is, not that I did you know, but if I had of this is how it would be done.

Posted by: ala-sux at December 31, 2006 10:12 AM

The CBC -- the cabal of liars -- was making false claims regarding Saddam's last words. It's actually amusing how quickly the CBC repeats liars' propaganda. And, no, the word "Palestine" was not the last word of Saddam -- contrary to the liars at the CBC.

Posted by: J.S. at December 31, 2006 10:38 AM

This actually managed to get posted on the BBC`s
Have Your Say >>>>>

Added: Saturday, 30 December, 2006, 19:16 GMT 19:16 UK

Its not a wish but its a longtime comming prediction. This year the anti islamic feeling will grow and
movments will start to spring up and give the muslims living in the west the war they wanted as
everbodys had enough of our goverment pandering to everything the islamics protest about they
walked with banners in our capital saying behead anyone who dose not like their god do you really
think this did not start people wanting to fight back

mason sinclair, United Kingdom

Unbelievable , as is this >>>>>

Added: Saturday, 30 December, 2006, 15:32 GMT 15:32 UK

I wish for a Muslim Europe for 2007. The most used new name in Europe today for babies is Mohammed.
God is really Great when Europe has a Muslim majority.
Muslims will make Europe the best place on earth.

Billy, Colorado, USA

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at December 31, 2006 11:25 AM

The Americans. The Persians.

Two kinds of Infidels.

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 11:25 AM

So the Islamic factions in Iraq are ripe for a bloodbath. As long as U.S. and coalition forces stay out of the way, I don't see the problem.

Posted by: s at December 31, 2006 11:46 AM

It only took until last night for a reporter
to claim that Saddam's look-alike was hanged and not the actual Saddam,

Why on earth would we hang a fake Saddam, when we had the real one and could kill him in any manner we saw fit at any time?

When Saddam does not resurface, this punk will tell us that the US had him secretly killed to cover up the fact that the public execution was fake.

Posted by: Greek Fire at December 31, 2006 12:19 PM

They are ALL insane and they all look for excuses for violence and to murder in their causes. the whole lot of em!
Persians, Arabs, Sunni, Shiite , Islamists and Muslims alike. none is better than the other and they all follow Muhammads warped teachings.

Saddams death is an excuse , nothing more. if he was kept alive they would just find another Martyr(excuse) . put Saddam out of power and you would eventually see all the exact same things happening anyway. The problem is Islam and Dictators, not whether the IRAQ gov't should have hanged a murderer of many many thousands.

our concern and compassion is misplaced.

big suprise!

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 31, 2006 12:45 PM

Assalamau Laikum all,

Saddam certainly had such an eventful life, I guess not many peoples can say that. Not only in his own life but his affecting others too...peoples would/will kill for him and others will be killed for him too.

He has now passed from life into the annals of history...however no lineage for him....the Amerike and the Kaffur made sure of that...and certainly hee has left a millstone around his daughters necks.

Today on new year's day some misguided muslim will drive his explosive laden car for some divine mission.....on this day many will die too, in Kaffur land some peoples will see the end of a life of an ill family member in hospital ...while others may also see a rare event in the west....an addition to their family.

Today I went and visited Anwer, I spoke to him, put flowers on his Kabar, and wished he was with me...he is... at least in spirit. I took my son and daughter too and each of us said our separate things, I told Anwer of our son's wish to marry a kaffur from the UK...but with no answers I guess I am none the wiser...perhaps I'll just leave all that to Allah SWT and my son and his love.

For me global domination by Islam is inevitable.

But in this somewhat unreal yet serene mood, for today I will put aside my dawa. The future maybe different, but today, the Kaffur is still here, and jousting can wait, for now please raise your glasses of bubbly and let us wish peace and happiness to one and all into the coming new year allowed by our Lord Almighty Allah SWT.

So come on....for tonite ditch the veils, raise the glasses...salute...bottoms up, Chucka-daay-Fatay...sound the horns... wherever you are

Happy New Year

Posted by: Naseem at December 31, 2006 12:56 PM

Wa Alaikum As-Salaam, Naseem

I told Anwer of our son's wish to marry a kaffur from the UK...but with no answers I guess I am none the wiser...perhaps I'll just leave all that to Allah SWT and my son and his love.

The blessings of God are upon you. Your granddaughters may yet bear the cross and learn to call Him Abba and Yahweh. Perhaps they may be the instruments of evangelism to beging the cleansing of all of Pakistan, even to reach into your heart.

This is a Happy New Year!

Really, you'll like Christianity. A lot of the prophets have similar names and stories. And it is the "same God", is it not (not really, but that's for another discussion)? There are a lot more food choices, too. Plus, you don't have to squat and hover over a toilet seat which is facing the "wrong" direction. You'll have to give up Mohammad, but no great loss. Imagine how good the sun will feel on your legs and arms as you walk in the light of a new day.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 31, 2006 1:19 PM

For me global domination by Islam is inevitable.

But in this somewhat unreal yet serene mood, for today I will put aside my dawa. The future maybe different, but today, the Kaffur is still here, and jousting can wait, for now please raise your glasses of bubbly and let us wish peace and happiness to one and all into the coming new year allowed by our Lord Almighty Allah SWT.

So come on....for tonite ditch the veils, raise the glasses...salute...bottoms up, Chucka-daay-Fatay...sound the horns... wherever you are

Happy New Year

-------------------------------------------------

Go to HELL!

The only thing that IS inevitable is that your sick twisted Cult will FORCE us to wipe it out.

Your overconfidence in your False Prophet is your weakness!

The world is divided, and don't think for an instant that just becuase you live safely in some Western country that you may not someday have a Bullseye on your forehead just as we do from Islam. The West won't go down without a fight, and we are the better fighters and have the better Weapons. think about that this new years .

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 31, 2006 1:20 PM

They are ALL insane and they all look for excuses for violence and to murder in their causes. the whole lot of em!
Persians, Arabs, Sunni, Shiite , Islamists and Muslims alike. none is better than the other and they all follow Muhammads warped teachings.......
Posted by: Concerned Canadian at December 31, 2006 12:45 PM

I'm with you, Concerned Canadian. As I've said before, there are no good muslims. There never have been and there never will be. Saddam meeting the hangman's noose (which he deserves anyway) will change nothing. The cancer of Islam will continue to spread and plague our world until we finally admit to ourselves what it really is and forcefully stamp it out forever. Anything less is just a waste of time, treasure, and our people's lives......

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at December 31, 2006 1:32 PM

For me global domination by Islam is inevitable.

For me global domination by the West and its allies is inevitable, because our society is more efficient and better adapted to the world of modern technology.

Think of it this way. Islam, right now, is fighting this war against the West with nearly 100% of its real capabilities (I know you think you have Allah on your side, but that's pure nonsense, so I'm not going to count it as a capability). The West is fighting with about 1% and has taken out dictatorships in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you push us to use the other 99% of our capabilities, the outcome will not be in your favor. It's technically, economically and logistically not possible for you to defeat us, once we get you in our sights as a target.

I don't think Muslims really understand the extent to which the Western mind is driven by taking in information from the outside world and analyzing it. We can change our minds very, very rapidly, if necessary. Our current attitude toward Islam is extremely benign, given what I think should be the attitude of extreme prejudice toward Islam. Muslims seem to believe that Westerners will maintain this benign attitude indefinitely, but that is a very dubious assumption. Eventually, the West will get tired of tolerating Islam.

Six months ago, I didn't know much about Islamic doctrine and assumed, like many Westerners now assume, that it couldn't be all bad. Now, I know differently, although I know I have to let my society catch up to me in its level of knowledge. See, when all of your actions and reactions to external events aren't codified into a single book, your behavior is not constrained in the way that Muslims' behavior is constrained to the "same old, same old" in response to everything. That's called "learning".

Posted by: venividivici at December 31, 2006 1:35 PM

Watch US troops getting shot or killed . On Demand.

Chase Bank is sponsoring this special on video CNN obtained from the Islamic Army of Iraq
it shows US troops getting shot at, or killed, on demand !

Under the category "Family", this should make great watching for the kids, who need a break from the video games, especially if you have a relative or friend killed in Iraq you just might watch him shot by insurgents, courtesy of Chase Bank and CNN

http://cyberray-rays.blogspot.com/2006/12/watch-us-troops-getting-shot-or-killed.html#links

Posted by: Cyberray at December 31, 2006 1:39 PM

Thank you Naseem for reminding us that we have another full year ahead of us for fighting the jihadists! What would we do without you. Happy New Year! Or, as Mother E. might say, "Happy New Year, possums!"

Posted by: Taylor at December 31, 2006 1:40 PM

The Sunni-Shiite rift as predicted by Hugh Fitzgerald? Too funny! Hugh correctly predicted a rift that has been openly festering for more than 1000 years. Nothing like being ahead of the curve.

Well, not to be outdone, I will now top that prediction. Are you ready? Okay... "Tomorrow the sun will rise in the east." Yes.. that's right! You heard it first right here on JW. And I don't want anybody else taking credit for this!

Oh.. and Naseem? May unforeseen events this coming year finally tip the scales and be the beginning of the end for the islamic deathcult.

Mahdi

Posted by: Mahdi Al-Dajjal at December 31, 2006 1:42 PM

"rift laid bare..."
-- from the title of the piece above

Not to be read, as I first did, as "midriff laid bare," which would only lead one to wonder what Britney Spears is doing yet again at JW, after her celebrated previous appearance as the head of the "What-Our-Generation-Needs Foundation," recommending some feelgood book on Islam.

Such misreading is an inherited illness. In Florence, in 1966, my father saw a sign for the "Medici Galleries" and read it as "Medical Allergies." There is no known cure.

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 1:44 PM

Here is that previous appearance by Britney Spears, who needs no.

"This version of the Quran was printed before the Sept. 11 attacks, when jihad did not have the same holy war connotations as today, Nelson said." -- from this article
It was an earlier version, an uncorrected version, of the Qur'an that was distributed in Oregon. Please ignore all previous versions. They are full of typos. Read only the new edition, the one that has on the cover the special "For Americans Only" lettering across the top, and the CAIR Seal-of-approval ("Tells you all you really need to know about Islam") and a scholarly introduction by Professor Michael Sells.

Or, if you wish, you can get the even more thoroughly abridged version, from the same company that, for last-minute and lazy students, offers a version of Anna Karenina in eleven pages and King Lear in three. And that 8-page version of the Qur'an will naturally carry blurbs:

"This is certain to be, for Infidels, the most painless way to learn about the Qur'an. This book should be -- no, this book definitely is -- required reading for today's crop of Infidels. And if its lessons are understood, then the whole family may be ready for the full text. Why make life even more difficult for your children than it would be otherwise? Read this book now. Read it as if your life depends on it." -- Douglas Hooper, Washington, D.C.

"In the breathtaking poetry of its misty vistas, from the highest hill of humanity where nightingales and roses bloom along the verdant slopes of the high uplands of justice which has always been the voice of the oppressed speaking truth to power, even when that power has gone out, but if one knows where to find the light-switch of the human heart, this is the book which can turn that light-switch of that human heart, not to mention the sometimes also necessary lungs, spleen and pancreas, on again, so that not only mere man but Man is made whole, the earth is made whole, the whole universe is made whole, and made whole in the best and only possible way -- holistically. Read it, again and again and again. The purest poetry that like a tree only God could have made, only God, or quite possibly Edward Said, had one of his admirers only been able to have been there for him, when he needed me, to take dictation." -- Hamid Dabashi, New York City

"If we are to avoid a conflict of civilizations, we will need to replace conflict with dialogue, attachment to our old ways of thinking with a willingness to accept entirely new ways, and to give up those silly concepts of 'Us' and 'Them' for a much broader 'They Are We' and 'We Are They.' Since it is 'they' who are now among 'us' and not 'we' who are among 'them,' surely the most sensible and painless solution is for 'us' to give up our shopworn and outworn and useless categories, and to try to do whatever 'they' require of 'us' so as to 'reassure' them.

"And just as they -- Muslims -- need reassurance that we are not out to get them, after the Crusades, after colonialism, after Israel's brutal oppression of unarmed Palestinians, after the cruel way that Saddam Hussein, that brave Arab leader, was removed, after the neo-colonialism and then the post-neocolonialism which has no sell-by date and therefore goes on forever as long as Infidels continue to exist, not only do 'they' (the 'Muslims') need some sign from us (the so-called 'non-Muslims') that 'we' are not out to get 'them,' but just as important, we need to study the Qur'an, and much more than the Qur'an, in order to reassure ourselves. We need to reassure ourselves that we have not lost our moral bearings, not retreated into some cruel dungeon or Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib of our own narrow mindedness, need to make sure that we have not lost our moral bearings, lost all of our own habit of, or habitat for, humanity.

"And there is no better indication of our own willingness to listen to others with compassion and understanding and acceptance as they tell us what they think or what they think we should think they think, and also tell us what to think, saving us the trouble, which given all of our advantages and our privileges and our narrow-minded indifference to all those who are different from us is the least of what we should be prepared to do in this diverse world of diversity that we live in.

"When the oppressed people of this earth, in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates and in so many other places, want so clearly to reach out to us, to affect us, to help us see things as they see them, what better way to engage in that dialogue than to read, study, read again, study again, the book that means so much to them, means -- everything to them. Personally, I've read the Qur'an from cover to cover, and I've come to love it more every time." -- James Earl Carter, Georgia

"If you can only read one book in your life, let this one be it. Sometimes, you come across one book that makes all the difference. This is that book." -- Statement of the Joint Committee on Civilizational Literacy, a cooperative effort of the Modern Language Association, the American Historical Association, the American Association of University Presidents, the American Association of University Professors, and MESA Nostra

"The book our generation needs." -- Britney Spears, Honorary President of the What-Our-Generation-Needs Foundation (a 501 (c)(3) organization)

[Posted by Robert, for Hugh, at October 17, 2005 10:00 AM]

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 1:47 PM

It only took until last night for a reporter
to claim that Saddam's look-alike was hanged and not the actual Saddam, in fact the conspiracy
seems to now reach back to the spider hole and how the USA planted the look-alike to appease
Voters in the USA and help Bush appear to be winning the War

Seems as if I'll have to keep a sharp eye, just in case he's serving behind the bar in our local ;)

/sarc

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at December 31, 2006 1:47 PM

What strikes me most about Saddam's end was how he chose to be blind and take no responsibility for his past behaviors. Very much kike Hitler, he blamed everyone else for his fate. It was an end with resentment against everyone. He called for resistance against Americans ans Persians. He made no distinction between the Psychotic-in-Iran and the people who want to see the Wacko removed from an already too dangerous world. This guy Saddam hated everybody.

Saddam lived by the sword and died by the sword. No Kaddish for Saddam.

Posted by: Frank at December 31, 2006 1:48 PM

I finally figured it out! The Iraqi’s can't rebuild their country without our help and dollars.

Why? They are constantly celebrating some High Holiday day or feast day or celebrating the birth or death of some martyr. No wonder nothing gets done, their economy is in the crapper, and the country is nothing more than one big welfare state.

Ali Boss: Malmoud, you need to go fix the wires by Sadyr Street today. Their power has been out for a week.
Malmoud: Sorry, no can do, it is the feast of Eid al-Adha, I need to walk in the parade and beat myself with chains.
Ali: OK, how about tomorrow?
Malmoud: Sorry got to go to Mecca and throw rocks at a bigger rock. Be back next week.
Ali: How about next week?
Malmoud: Sorry, I will be fasting and I will be too weak to work.
Ali: How about in two weeks?
Malmoud: Sorry, it is celebration of one of Mohamed's victories over the infidels. I am sure it is, let me check my religious calendar I got from the Mosque.
Ali: Ok, forget it! I'll just call the Halliburton guys, then I know it will get done.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at December 31, 2006 1:50 PM

"Saddam certainly had such an eventful life,"

Thats a polite of putting mass murder, rape and genocide.

"For me global domination by Islam is inevitable."

If Muslims can stop fighting each other like mongerel dogs while we laugh and take bets. If Muslims do take over the world how long 'till your little sect is wiped out?

OT: Speaking of dogs I realized why Muslims hate them so much. Dogs are mankinds best friends right? Well that makes them a natural enemy of Islam!

Posted by: JadeDragoness at December 31, 2006 1:55 PM

As grotesquely brutal and remorselessly bloodthirsty as Saddam was, we all know that that is what it took to hold the local Sunni-Shiite internecine "rift" in check.

Ah, the peace of Dar al-Islam.

Now with the "rift laid bare", they can get back what they do best: Muslims killing Muslims. Mission accomplished, time to pack up and go home.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 31, 2006 1:59 PM

I welcome a rift between the different sects of the cult of Islam but then I also realize they will hold hands, kiss and make up to attack us. Granted, after we are all dead and gone they will turn on each other like a pack of crazed dogs but that doesn’t help us. So sit back, pop a brew and watch them fight, it thins the pack and in the long run weakens their propaganda machine. They are having an increasing harder time of hiding their agenda and covering up their atrocities.

Posted by: Ronin at December 31, 2006 2:37 PM

"I welcome a rift between the different sects of the cult of Islam but then I also realize they will hold hands, kiss and make up to attack us."
-- from a posting above

Only if the Americans or other Infidels are there to be attacked. If they are not immediately present, and if the war is one over the country, and the spoils of that country -- that is, the oil wealth -- the sides are too evenly matched, taking into account not only population, where the Shi'a clearly lead, but also military training and aggressiveness, where the Sunnis have a lead, one that has been whittled away, inadvertently no doubt, by the Americans training all those Shi'a volunteers for the police and army, and also the availability of outside help. The Saudis and other Gulf Arabs cannot stand the idea that the "Persians" -- used loosely to include even Arab Shi'a, seen as potential handmaids of the Islamic Republic of Iran -- might control the Land of the Two Rivers, and Baghdad, fabled city, madinat al-salam, of the Caliph Haroun al-Raschid, and essential to the mythology of Muslims about their glorious past. The Sunni Arabs will never acquiesce. The Shi'a Arabs will never surrender, after enduring so much from the Sunnis, the power they now possess. This has no end.

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 3:02 PM

This has no end.

May it be as you say.

Amen.

Posted by: Concerned Citizen at December 31, 2006 3:05 PM

The effect of Saddam Hussein's trial has been discussed in passing more than once at JW. See, e.g., the fourth paragraph of the following posting from Dec. 15, 2005:

"Not a word here at JW about the Iraqi elections."
--- from a posting above

There was a comment, deliberately posted the day before the election [on Dec. 15, 2005], so that whatever predictive value it has would be stronger by being made before, and not after, the event.

That comment was as follows: that the Sunnis who participated in the elections were not doing so as an alternative, but rather as a supplementary way to, express their intention to oppose the transfer of power and wealth to the Shi'a who make up 60% of the population in Iraq.

The comment went on to note that when the returns are in, no matter what they turn out to be, they cannot possibly satisfy the Sunnis who are convinced that they constitute 42% of the population (and that's not counting the Kurds), that if they receive, after their "heroic" efforts at voting, less than that amount of power, if they are forced to permanently surrender their dreams of domination, things will continue exactly as before. The great "achievement" of the election -- where a lot less is there than meets the Administration's eye -- is merely to insure what was already insured by the American invasion which toppled Saddam Hussein's regime: to wit, the end of Sunni Arab rule in Iraq.

And there was another thing noted. And that was that the trial of Saddam Hussein, like the Constitution which the Sunnis wish to have reopened, is not likely to "bring Iraqis together" as the Americans, so naive about Iraq and about Islam, hoped. Rather, that trial, exposing the very different attitudes toward Saddam Hussein (the Americans actually believed that the Sunnis would see him as a monster, whereas many see him, now, as their perhaps-not-entirely-pleasant strongman, protector, and defender of Sunni interests), will exacerbate the Sunni-Shi'a fissures.

That is a good thing. What is not a good thing is that the American administration, getting everything upside-down, thnks that those fissures are a bad thing.

A topsy-turvy analysis, where one mistake engenders another.

And yet, in the end, if the Americans withdraw within the next few months, leaving no important equipment behind, and simply allow things to take their natural course, all the while keeping up a steady patter of rhetoric about how "now it's time for the Iraqis to decide what they want in Iraq for themselves," this will in the end lead to the very "victory" of which Bush prates -- exactly by his failing to do what he wishes to do, and by letting Muslim nature take its course.

[Posted by: Hugh at December 16, 2005 04:21 PM]

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 3:15 PM

In scrolling down, I've just noticed a comment, an unsurprising one given its source, about just how "obvious" has been my discussion, nearly obsessive discussion, of the sectarian and other fissures in Iraq, a discussion that has been engaged in without stop for the past three years, and which, had it had an effect, might have saved a few hundred billion dollars, and I might have claimed a million of that, in order to keep going, and we would all have been very happy.

The poster, who has a long history of animus toward everything I write -- he calls me a "lefty" who finally "revealed" my true nature, or perhaps had some sudden conversion (I can't remember which), thinks that the Sunni-Shi'a dispute was so obvious that it is silly for Robert to link it to my postings.

I agree. I agree that the Sunni-Shi'a split was just as obvious as was the malevolence and menace of Adolf Hitler in 1933, or even in 1930. I think the Sunni-Shi'a split was just as obvious as was the course to be taken by the Japanese militarists, the adherents of Kodo, in 1930.

So the question is: why did so few people see what was so "obvious" -- and continue not to see what was so "obvious" -- about Adolf Hitler, right up until his invasion of Poland in 1939, after which everybody and his brother was proudly proclaiming that he had seen it all along.

Why has this Sunni-Shi'a rift not been discussed endlessly for the past four years, since late 2002 when the plans were being made for the invasion? Why didn't Charles Krauthammer, Norman Podhoretz, or other cheerleaders for "the Bush Doctrine" tell us about this "obvious" split, about its origins, its depth, its duration, the likelihood of its working out in this way or in that, and how that sectarian split would likely have spillover effects, and where those effects would be seen, and what kind of effects these would be. In other words, all the things that I have sent out here, in a thousand posts, in great detail -- all "obvious" except to everyone else.

And that "everyone else" includes the poster, one "Mahdi al-Dajjal," whose previous postings were stout defenses of Bush (the man who when told that there were Sunnis and Shi'a in Iraq, replied "But I thought the Iraqis were Muslims"), denunciations of me for my criticism of Bush, and suchlike.

Here are a few examples of Mahdi al-Dajjal's past percipience. I see no hint of recognition of the Sunni-Shi'a split and of how it undoes the entire Bush undertaking, and instead of being recognized and exploited, is dimly recognized, and instead of being exploited is regarded as a Bad Thing which gets in the way of the Bush plan for bringing "democracy" and "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads in the Middle East" which is merely the latest, slightly-stripped-down version, a Grand Hope still but not quite the Grand Hope of creating an Iraq that will be a Light Unto the Muslim Nations (the very idea that an Iraq in which the Sunnis had lost their dominance and the Shi'a had claimed it, could ever be a model for all the Sunni Arab states, is one more indication of just how "un-obvious" the "obvious" has been for so many).

I'll offer up a sample of "Mahdi al-Dajjal"'s previous postings, especially his stout defense of Bush, and his fury at my criticism of Bush. But if the Sunni-Shi'a sp[lit was so "obvious" it must also have been "obvious" to Mahdi al-Dajjal, and if it was "obvious" to him as well, then one wonders how he could possibly ever have endorsed the mad dreams and schemes of Bush in Iraq, which were based on an obliviousness to that Sunni-Shi'a split that Mahdi al-Dajjal finds so "obvious."

Here are those postings:

1.

Hugh's inability to control his anti-Bush rage makes him sound like one of the Krazy KOS Kidz when he gets on his soapbox to bash Bush. Now he's actually pushing Democrats? Didn't Robert say this site was apolitical? What gives?
(06-14-2006)
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2.

Hugh,

... the atmospherics of islam?

Why the allegorically subliminalizational metaphorics and not the crisp acyclicity of the predominantly consonantal alliteration? Just wondering..

Mahdi (06-06-2006)
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3.

Robert,

Now that you've lost the mule team, have you take the time to see if the bit will fit, at least temporarily, in Hugh's mouth?

Mahdi (04-03-2006)
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Hugh,

And in typical Leftist fashion you seek to take control of the debate by dictating the terms and conditions by which you'll deign to particpate and over which you alone will sit in judgment. Sorry but I don't dance. Why don't you get one of your minions here who fawningly worship at your "Church of the Longest Contiguous Sentence" to jump through the hoops or play roll-over for your amusement instead. My point stands.

(03-17-06)
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NoMo,

It's not that I haven't been here long enough to have yet read enough of Hugh to know the difference. It's that I have! I've been here as long if not longer than Hugh has. I've probably read too much. I've witness his metamorphisis.

Although the mantra here is that the war on islam isn't a Left/Right issue (and I agree it shouldn't be), there's an ever increasingly noticeable leftwing slant to Hugh's writing to the point that he's now appears unable or unwilling to even try to hide it. He makes it a Left/Right issue then complains when people call him on it. If I wanted to see a leftist spin on the War on Islam then I'd watch the news on TV and not be visiting sites like this.

And with Robert's recent ban on the use of the "M" word (rhymes with 'fuzzy') for fear of offending muslims, after returning from the Pim Fortuyn conference on free speech no less, then you can't help but wonder what's going on here.

Btw, I've already got my bunker dug and stocked. Perhaps you should consider doing the same.

Mahdi (03-17-06)
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No.. certainly got your message loud and clear Hugh. Things can't and won't get any better until a Democrat is in the White House. Then, all we'll hear on the news 24/7 is how well everything is going. And, you'll of course be writing all about how we're winning the war on terror. Loud and clear, Hugh. Loud and clear. (03-17-06)

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Robert,

During the recent cartoon imbroglio, we saw our mainstream media argue that, in order not to offend muslims and to maintain harmony with them and to not be provocative, they refrained from using certain cartoons in their 'speech'. In doing so, they tacitly acknowledged that the cartoons were indeed offensive.

You resoundingly derided such a tact and rightfully claimed that we should ALL stand up for the right to say what it is that we want to say. Free speech included the right to offend. You recently returned for a conference in support of this right.

Today I visit this site to learn that the term 'Muzzie' has been banned for fear of offending muslims. How soon we forget..

In the name of not being offensive, you've backhandedly empowered muslims from this point forward because when they encounter the term 'muzzie', they'll claim to be offended. God knows how they over-react. And how are the infidels going to say that the term is NOT offensive when the muslims will argue that even the noted islamophobe, Robert Spencer, has banned it's use from his own website!

I won't thank you for empowering the islamists that much further; ableit one word at a time. Nor for agreeing with the proposition that free speech does not mean the right to offend muslims.

Good day..

Mahdi. (03-05-2006)
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Hugh,

You noted: "..happens in Iraq will not have the slightest beneficent effect.."

Having huge military bases deep in the heart of islamic lands is worth the price of admission alone. No longer do we have to spends months and months gearing up for any kind of forward military action in the Middle East. We're already there. We've got supplies, landing strips, barracks, depots, etc., all ready to serve our future needs. US bases in other countries after WWII cost us billions per year in lease fees; many of which we've since abandoned but for decades they provided staging areas for America to exert it's power in those regions.

Your inability to think long term military benefits in this instance betrays your political allegiances to those whose anti-military short-sightedness is more driven by angst, hand-wringing, irrational fear of Republicans, and Bush hatred than logic and foresight in terms of preparedness for what we will almost inevitably face down the road.

As for your catharsis, it may take awhile before the sheets are dry in the morning but have the nightmares stopped?

Mahdi (02-07-2006)
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Hugh,

The only thing that is too obvious to be grasped is that positive things are indeed happening in Iraq despite the dismal picture you repeatedly paint. I suspect your failure in this regard is due in large part to the total blackout of good news from the Major Media outlets. But be that as it may. If the war on terror is neither a left nor right issue as has been asserted herein then isn't some measure of balance from the authors on this website in order? Instead, we must endure not only the Media's constant one-sided negativisms but also the same from you now virtually every time we visit JihadWatch. The next thing we'll be seeing is you dedicating your posts to Cindy Sheehan. The increasingly left tilt you've given Robert's website has got me expecting Code Pink banner-ads to start showing up here on the main page any day now.

The odd thing about your near-daily diatribes against the war in Iraq, Bush, and as Howard Dean would say, everything else the Republican Party stands for, is that you would be spinning the events in Iraq completely differently if another political party was in the Oval Office overseeing our defeat and retreat in the face of the global jihad (preferably led by someone who had been less-than-honorably discharged with known sympathies for a certain North Vietnamese Communist Regime).

Hugh, you need to come clean with everybody here by first admitting that you really are a leftist partisan hack and motivated by paranoia of the evil quartet of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove. From there, we can work our way toward eventually figuring out why you lurk the forums at moveon.org. The upside potential to this type catharsis is that it has been known to put a permanent halt to constant hand-wringing, nightmares of jack-booted Republicans, and chronic adult bedwetting. (02-06-2006)
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And one last, my favorite, about my boring and unconvincing prose:

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Hugh,

Yet another of your long-winded run-on sentences constructed more to razzle-dazzle than tailored to inform. You lack brevity, Hugh. And brevity is the soul of wit. Frankly, witless people are bores and boring people aren't paid much attention to no matter how brilliant they may be.

With all due respect, people will likely pay more attention to what you have to say if you focus more on your point than on the long-winded journey you force your reader to take getting to it. And after a tiresome journey down the yellow brick road, the reader is still unsure what your point was exactly because they've now lost interest from wading through all the obfuscation along the way.

Mahdi

These posts (and many others like them) tell you all you need to know about the quallity of Mahdi al-Dajjal's mind, and about the "obvious" nature of the Sunni-Shi'a split that apparently for so long eluded him, for he could not possibly have been such a defender of Bush if that split, and a right understanding of it, had been, to him, so very "obvious."

Posted by: Hugh at December 31, 2006 3:49 PM

We cannot take advantage of the rift between Sunni and Shi'ite as long as we (Bush) are trying to heal it: One people, one country, one "unifying" government.

Where are we? Look! Look! Alice under moving skies? We're not in Kansas any more! Is this all a dream?

We're not in a dream, on a yellow submarine, you think we're on a ship of war? Think again: we're on a ship of fools.

http://islamic-danger.blogspot.com/2006/12/ships-of-war-two-ships-are-heading.html

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 31, 2006 3:51 PM

OT---->>>
Animal Sacrifices Maim 1,400 in Turkey
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061231/D8MBUVG80.html

Posted by: dennisw at December 31, 2006 3:57 PM

Hugh,

re the two kinds of infidels: Americans and PERSIANS

Wish that the Iranians would revert to PERSIANS. Jettison Mohammedanism in favor of a religion--not a political ideology as is Islam--an ancient PERSIAN religion as spoken by

Zarashushtra

(sp ?)

OK, my Persian ain't too good

Zoroaster

Posted by: unicorns62000 at December 31, 2006 4:01 PM

Good riddance to Saddam Hussein and his cohorts. There are more hangings to come in Iraq. Chemical Ali will swing from the noose. The loss of innocent kurdish children will not be forgotten.

There are alot of islamic thugs in other countries and other dictators who need to be at the end of the noose. Justice will come to all.
Some sooner and others later.

Posted by: callmeinfidel at December 31, 2006 4:34 PM

"For me global domination by Islam is inevitable."

-naseem, are you prepared to really die for such a cause? A cause that shall be polarized long after you go the way of the DoDo?

Remember amigo, numbers don't always equate to "quality", now there's a concept: "quality."

Gee, more rock throwing "youths", what will my descendants and the arsenal I leave them do?

We'll be sure to send your descendants a postcard from humanities next world, only because you people are incapable of living ALONG-SIDE other people whom you never knew from Adam.

And that, is the ultimate tragedy.

Posted by: kafir world at December 31, 2006 5:54 PM