Ashqar attorney William Moffitt likened Hamas to movements around the world led by such champions of human rights as Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela.

Yeah, and Jack Bauer is Gandhi.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop at January 13, 2007 7:43 AM

More like movements led by H. Rap Brown, Stokeley Carmichael, and Angela Davis.

Posted by: Kepha at January 13, 2007 7:55 AM

All just part of the long-term jihad strategy -- dull our senses to the point that we ignore our own common sense.

Just more reason to get up and blog the truth in the morning, that's how I look at it.

Posted by: Foehammer at January 13, 2007 8:30 AM

Why insult Martin Luther King, a godly, respectful honorable, peaceful man - by equating him with a terrorist - Mandella? Martin Luther King LIVED by the scriptures and did not encourage violence. Big difference. A freedom fighter that murders innocents is A TERRORIST.

I suppose the next step can then be to equate Hamas with Mandella. Sick.

Equating Mandella to King was as sick as giving the Nobel peace prize to Arafat.

The PC idiots in this world will always cuddle up to violent fools.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 13, 2007 8:46 AM

We (Americans) are already so stupid that no doubt these Islamaniacs will we found not quilty.

When we give 11 and 12 year prison sentences to our border guards for doing their job; what other outcome can we expect from the OJ generation?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 13, 2007 8:53 AM

Anyone remember Mandelela's involvement in this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/20/newsid_4326000/4326975.stm

Horrific and - very similar to the acts of Al Qaeda.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 13, 2007 8:53 AM

"Islamaniacs will be found not quilty."

I'm so fedup I can't spell.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 13, 2007 8:55 AM

"Yeah, and Jack Bauer is Gandhi.

Posted by: Jesus Christ Supercop"

Exactly!! These creeps are just like Ghandi, and maybe even the Dalai Llama???

What an insult to all peaceful protestors who wouldn't dream of killing a fly!

Hamas loves death: simple as that!

Posted by: Gramfan at January 13, 2007 9:12 AM

Pretty soon juries in Detroit (Arabs) or Minneapolis (Somalis) will start giving 'not guilty' verdicts in terrorism trials. Remember OJ.

Posted by: george_rem at January 13, 2007 9:16 AM

Well, sitting here at my computer this morning, reading yet more disgusting items of interest, I have found it necessary to send several items of interest from this site to the Whitehouse. I know, before you scoff, consider this, at the very least, I will be annoying. At best, perhaps someone with a little curiosity will read them, and who knows from there. I have also sent them to my Congressman. I am in NY, though, so I don't hold out much hope there. All Senators and Representatives listed on the Google search page in NY, were Democrats, but, hey, at least I'm trying . . .

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 9:39 AM

If the islamists can entice enough lawyers on their side, they will have successfully co opted professional victim status and will become untouchable.

Once spineless feds realize they will be sued by feckless lawyers for even looking at islamists, the battle is over.

Getting up and loading guns is a step in the right direction - just don't forget the enablers...

Posted by: infidel! at January 13, 2007 9:40 AM

Googling one William B. Moffitt uncovers more perversion:
[..]
"Moffitt pointed out that those uprooted at the birth of Israel and still living in squalid, poverty-wracked camps on the West Bank resemble victims of Hurricane Katrina."
[..]
"Moffitt scored a major victory in a similar trial in Florida a year ago, securing the acquittal of professor Sami al-Arian on a number of charges regarding the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist group. The Florida jury deadlocked on other federal charges against al-Arian.
Ashqar signed Moffitt as his attorney after the Florida trial."
[..]
"Moffitt brushed off testimony that Ashqar had convened a convention of Hamas-related groups in Philadelphia in 1993, saying the former professor was merely exercising his freedom of speech and never proposed violence.

Moffitt began by recalling how proud he felt that his father had thrown rocks at hooded Ku Klux Klan members in the streets of Atlanta. He quoted from the Declaration of Independence and told jurors that the British had denounced its author, Thomas Jefferson, as a terrorist.

"Its really easy to call someone a terrorist when you haven't walked in his shoes," Moffitt said. He flashed a wanted poster on the screen on the courtroom wall. The picture on the poster was of George Washington."

Posted by: Malinois at January 13, 2007 9:40 AM

Pretty soon normal American men and women are just going to get up in the morning and fill their guns with bullets.

That's just how revolutions begin...

People get so fedup.

Mother Ecclesiatica

Posted by: Mother Ecclesiastica at January 13, 2007 09:25 AM

It might just come down to that. Sounds good to me.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 13, 2007 9:43 AM

Yeah, but in NY, we can't get licenses to carry anymore. I guess I can always say I was going target shooting . . . and not be lying.

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 9:45 AM

"Its really easy to call someone a terrorist when you haven't walked in his shoes," Moffitt said. He flashed a wanted poster on the screen on the courtroom wall. The picture on the poster was of George Washington." (from above)

Moffit is a maggot, too stupid to understand that the jihadists will not repay his treachery aginst America with anything but a forced conversion or death.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 13, 2007 9:46 AM

Yeah, but in NY, we can't get licenses to carry anymore. I guess I can always say I was going target shooting . . . and not be lying.

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 09:45 AM

I've got an idea. Why don't you use a second address, perhaps that of a close relative living in another state with better gun rights, as your own? That isn't exactly lying. It is possible for a man to have two addresses. You could then apply for a license through that state.

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 13, 2007 9:51 AM

Well, there is that reciprocal thing among some states, you know, where you can get a license in, say, Florida and it is good in the other states. Alas, NY doesn't participate in that either. Told you were were Democratic. I have property in a different county, but, when I finally got an address for it (there is no house on it, so it took a while), they stopped issuing them in that county too. Most of my relatives live in NY state (yeah, we're dumb), and those that don't, I wouldn't classify as "close". So, it's back to plan A. I'll always be target shooting . . .

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 9:54 AM

Oops, meant "we" were Democratic. (By that, I mean, NYS is Democratic. Not ME)

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 9:55 AM

Well after watching MLK's infamous speech with post 9/11 eyes I have to wonder about those people with muslim skullcaps standing around him.

I have never been able to find out who they were. Anyone know?

Would he have been linking up with muslims to get political power?

Posted by: Borg at January 13, 2007 10:06 AM

Did Martin Luther King Jr. subscribe to a document similar to this one?

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/isreport/hamas.html

Posted by: Mackie at January 13, 2007 10:12 AM

Good grief, now the Islamofacists are comparing themselves to a true Christian martyr! And I have a bridge in Broklyn to see to you.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at January 13, 2007 10:15 AM

Hi igetit!

I live in NY (upstate, yeah!) as well. Schumer and staff would probably be most receptive to the articles you send. Forget Clinton and any rep. from downstate.

Posted by: Arden at January 13, 2007 10:35 AM

Gosh, how annoying, I keep getting signed out.

Thanks, Arden. I'll send them to Schumer as well. Gotta love NY, eh?

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 10:40 AM

Between the civil-rights movement of the 60's and the current islamicist movement there are perhaps more similarities than one comfortably likes to admit. But there are also notable differences. The civil-rights movement began as a peaceful campaign, led by such individuals as MLK and groups such as the "freedom-riders", to guarantee a racial minority the same legal rights as those enjoyed by the majority, and to end the state-sanctioned segregation found in many states. However the movement quickly threw off a radical wing that aimed not at equality but at special privileges. The radicals, too, were often willing to work peacefully, thru legislation and the courts, to achieve their goals, but in the background there was always violence and the threat of more violence. Hence the riots of the 60's and the cries of "burn, baby, burn". Both wings of the movement, the equality-seeking one and the privilege-seeking one, were largely successful.
Now, as to the islamicist movement. Here there is no equal-rights phase. Moslems in the U.S. already enjoy all the legal rights of the majority, and even some of the privileges of other minority groups. No, the islamicists are aiming at acquiring even more special privileges, to the point that they take over rule as an islamic gov't. But, as in the civil-rights movement, there are less- and more-violent advocates. The less violent ones are willing to work thru elections, legislation, and court decisions. But if the pace of gaining power is too slow, then the violent ones are always on call, with bombings and death threats.
So in the islamicist movement there is no one equivalent to MLK, who sought equality; CAIR is the equivalent of the moderate privilege-seekers, and the jihadists the equivalent of the the "burn, baby, burn" gang. And their goal is much more ambitious, nothing less than the take-over of the gov't and the replacement of the Constitution by the Sharia.
Well, there's much more that could be said, but my little rant has gone on long enough.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 13, 2007 11:01 AM

" I have a dream!!....Allahu Ackbar! "

BOOOM!!!!

That's about the sum of it.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 13, 2007 11:24 AM

Ashqar attorney William Moffitt likened Hamas to movements around the world led by such champions of human rights as Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mandela.

Yes! A Thomas Jefferson was also a muslim! Wait a minute, didn't Jefferson have a quaran?

Ah, there you see -- I'll bet you didn't know that Washington was a Palastinian and Abe Lincoln also was an immam when he wasn't practicing law, did you?

Moffitt's fantasy and Ellison's delusions are being trotted out as if the average American is stupid enough to believe them.

Okay, most Americans these days are pretty dumb I hate to say -- (what? well then why did all the smart Americans allow us to be facing these problems in the first place?) -- but it is the trators that make the laws that have the means to distort, no, lie, about history.

That fact that William Moffitt has no shame in presenting this bold face lie in a court in the first place -- and gets away with it -- is telling!

No, disturbing!

Posted by: witness at January 13, 2007 11:41 AM

To igetit, Arden or anyone else planning to do this:

When you send the White House, Congressman or anybody these news reports, don't send them from the JihadWatch link - that they'll dismiss immediately. Instead, copy the link that is cited in each article, like for instance, this one, and then send it. It will take somewhat longer, but appearing to them as it does as disparate pieces of a larger jigsaw puzzle, it's more likely to be taken seriously by them than a host of news collections and essays here, however accurate they may be.

You need to get their attention, not just be annoying. Otherwise, they can block your e-mail address, and you will have to keep creating new ones.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 13, 2007 11:59 AM

Oh yes I do remember MLK and Mandela blowing up innocent folks in pizza joints and night clubs, mothers and babies on buses etc. and of course their groups lobbed bombs and used suicide bombers.

Posted by: TheRegulator at January 13, 2007 12:10 PM

On Sunday night,the night before not Christmas but Martin Luther King Day, I intend to have a dream.

Not a dream in which visions of sugarplums dance in my head. No, I intend to dream that somewhere in this great land of ours, some defender of terrorists will stop trying to defend the indefensible by monstrously invoking, some supposed likeness of his client toh Martin Luther King or, for that matter, to any other perfectly respectable figure.

That's my dream. And I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Hugh at January 13, 2007 12:24 PM

What do you call 100,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.

Tha lawyers I know through business circles like their happy hour martini's very much. The idiots are cutting off their own noses.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at January 13, 2007 12:48 PM

"Chicago lawyer likens Hamas to movements led by Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela"

Why invoke the names of kafurs?

Haven't muslims got any role models of their own?

Posted by: Hermit at January 13, 2007 1:00 PM

Hi Mother E
Did you notice this article on your link?
http://www.thelocal.se/6070/
10 year olds threaten to kill one another.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 13, 2007 1:01 PM

Lawyers are known to say anything to defend their Clients. Especially those who's Religious Beliefs say it is OK to lie anyway.

Liars defending lies before Jurors who want to believe the lies they tell. Kinda hard for Prosecutors required to present facts, derived by restricted investigation procedures, to a jury who is accustomed to avoiding Truth and Responsibility as a part of their daily life.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 13, 2007 1:16 PM

A news item today showed a salt packing factory
in Afghanistan opened by Oxfam or Unicef.
The purpose of the factory was to put iodine in
this salt as the local salt has none.
This lack of iodine produce mental problems in the
young.
That`s 1% of muslim stupidity explained , the other 99% must be Muhammad`s fault.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 13, 2007 1:26 PM

Why not make the comparison to the Perfect Man, Muhammad? Why not say, truthfully, that one's client was attempting to conduct Jhad fi sabil Allah, Jihad in the way or path of Allah, just like the expemplary model, Muhammad? Why attempt to compare him to a Christian minister like Martin Luther King, given what is said about Christians in the Qur'an, in the Hadith?

A little pretend consistency. A little pretense of something with a semidemihemiquaver of plausibility.

Posted by: Hugh at January 13, 2007 1:29 PM

If MLK were alive to day I am sure he'd see how evil Islam is.

Posted by: JohnnyPissoff at January 13, 2007 1:39 PM

I hope that some of our black leaders will openly take offence to such outragous comparisons between Hamas supporters and Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.in the next 24 hours.

This should be an issue that should also be brought up on talk shows whether liberal, or conservative in their format.

This is an insult to an American Christian leader who believed in peaceful demonstrations to achieve his goals; where is the comparison as we celebrate MLK's Birthday this Monday?

Posted by: Mackie at January 13, 2007 1:40 PM

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/columns/column011705.shtml

thought this might be of interest

Posted by: hierophant at January 13, 2007 2:13 PM

Markie posted;
I hope that some of our black leaders,,,

And they would be?

I heard a very smart black man who was filling in for Rush L. over Christmas say that it offends him that people still think that blacks need to be led after all this time.

According to Barbara Boxer Condi Rice can't be a leader cuse she don't got no chillins.

Posted by: auntbea at January 13, 2007 2:36 PM

Off topic:

Terror and Extortion Master Wants Money, Lockerbie Attacker for Nurses' Release

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 13, 2007 2:36 PM

Malinois quoted an article

"Its really easy to call someone a terrorist when you haven't walked in his shoes," Moffitt said. He flashed a wanted poster on the screen on the courtroom wall. The picture on the poster was of George Washington."

Yeah. If I were on that jury, I would immediately vote for the death penalty. I don't care if it was for a parking ticket. Calling George Washington a terrorist is beyond the pale, even most lawyers don't sink that low.

Posted by: special_guest at January 13, 2007 2:42 PM

I MLK has no comparison to the Hamas terrorist movement. That is an insult to him. Same tactic used in CAIR hijacking Rosa Parks for their cause. If you want a good comparison to the Hamas movement I would nominate Malcolm X, a black Muslim leader who preached violence in his cause for civil rights. MLK's peaceful protests did give the cause for civil rights a huge boost that eventually outlawed segregation in America. Islam a fascist ideology disguised as a religion should be outlawed...

Posted by: JohnnyPissoff at January 13, 2007 2:54 PM

Oops, drop the "I" in the first sentence...

Posted by: JohnnyPissoff at January 13, 2007 2:57 PM

Those Chicago lawyer that represent these islamists are nothimg more than paid whores. if those jurors use their gut instincts, they will find those monsters guilty.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 13, 2007 2:58 PM

To Infidel Pride: Yes, I have been, actually, typing in the entire thing (I like to type LOL). Anyway, I have not been linking to Jihadwatch, as I thought they might catch on to that. I haven't found a way yet, though, to copy and paste that obscene flag, so I had to link it (albeit at the end of another letter - as an, oh by the way, check this out kinda thing). Thanks for the info, though, cause I really don't know how to create multiple e-mails. I'm sure the Whitehouse has blocked me by now though. I'll start on Schumer.

Posted by: igetit at January 13, 2007 3:06 PM

Witness: Ah, there you see -- I'll bet you didn't know that Washington was a Palastinian and Abe Lincoln also was an immam when he wasn't practicing law, did you?

Abe Lincoln a muslim? Shhh...dont tell that to Naseem. We will never hear the end of it.

King had his faults, but he was head and shoulders above Hamas.

Posted by: duh_swami at January 13, 2007 3:08 PM

This lawyer sounds like he is either on crack or trying his hand at taqiyya.

Either way he is to be avoided like the plague that he is.

One benefit: as a result of high-profile (no pun intended) penetration into the US establishment, the American public is being exposed to the lunacy that is Islam, little by little. This may (we hope)help wake Americans up in time to the dangers and horrors that lurk within Islam.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 13, 2007 3:33 PM

OT but serious,

SHOCKED parents have staged a sit-in at the Ridgeway School (UK) in a bid to get their fears of bullying and racist gangs heard following a hammer attack on a student.

The group of about 20 parents crammed the school's reception area today refusing to leave until they were heard by school headteacher Steve Colledge.

They have called for security guards to be employed at the Wroughton school, where a boy, believed to be Henry Webster, was set upon with a hammer yesterday afternoon.

The 15-year-old boy is currently in a stable condition after being transferred from Great Western Hospital in Swindon to Bristol's Frenchay Hospital.

The parents, who asked not to be named for fear of retribution against their children, said they would not be sending their youngsters to Ridgeway until they were convinced it was safe.

They said a group calling themselves the "Asian Invasion" had been behind a campaign of bullying at the school.

Mr Colledge said a letter would be sent to all parents inviting them to a meeting next Friday to discuss any issues.

Members of the parent group said they wanted better security at the school for all students, as well as for staff.

Mr Colledge said there was no proof the attack was racially motivated.

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/display.var.1120720.0.parents_stage_protest_after_hammer_attack.php

Posted by: Mert at January 13, 2007 3:41 PM

Another battle between Swedes and "immigrants"
http://www.thelocal.se/5223/20061015/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 13, 2007 4:03 PM

Moffitt's fantasy and Ellison's delusions are being trotted out as if the average American is stupid enough to believe them.

Witness is too close to the truth.

Just who is on this jury? Were they taught that the US was founded by slave-holding imperialists who murdered the noble Amerasian (once known as the American Indian) and that George Washington was, first and foremost, a terrorist? Were they filled with the idea that Jews are the source of all misery in the world? Is this their chance to stick it to the world?

These are the people entrusted with our future.
They'll actually believe that "easing the suffering of the Palestinians" is done by buying and assembling suicide vests and raining rockets down on civilian neighborhoods. They see no difference between a man who led a declared army and people flying airplanes into buildings. They see no difference between an imam teaching that the non-believers should be killed and a man who practiced and preached non-violent resistance to injustice.

An NG verdict is more likely than not with the PC crowd and juries wanting to stick it to their fellow citizens and judges giving crazy instruction. How can they vote against MLK?

Posted by: PMK at January 13, 2007 4:09 PM

"Okay, most Americans these days are pretty dumb I hate to say -- (what? well then why did all the smart Americans allow us to be facing these problems in the first place?) -- but it is the trators that make the laws that have the means to distort, no, lie, about history."

Posted by: witness at January 13, 2007 11:41 AM

It's not that they're dumb, it's that they're ignorant. What can we expect when there are public schools in ths country that tell students that this is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian-Islamic moral principles.
Who's going to tell them the truth? Not their patents! Thay're perfectly content to be ignorant and lazy.

Posted by: rational at January 13, 2007 4:21 PM

My money’s on a rupture of the social safety net ending the game, but if the right case comes along, the Justice system may beat it to the punch. Maybe OJ-style, like George_REM mentioned. Or maybe Duke University-style.

OJ style will come first, as only one juror is needed. Freeing an innocent man would get a lot of attention but probably won’t that big of a deal on a societal basis. It may happen in this case.

Muslim populations tend to concentrate themselves. District Attorneys are democratically elected and oversee the jury selection processes. Nyfong has shown the power of a DA, and he had no religious conviction in the case. The Duke players are still facing charges and could very well be convicted by a Durham jury.

As social stratification continues, how will a Jewish activist fare before a jury of his Muslim 'peers', when charged of inciting violence in a future no-go zone?

Posted by: pez at January 13, 2007 4:23 PM

Correction: Freeing a 'guilty' man...

Posted by: pez at January 13, 2007 4:39 PM

Pay 'em to leave?
http://www.thelocal.se/5595/20061123/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 13, 2007 5:10 PM

The American justice system is filled with this type, from judges all the way down to the cops. Lawyers and whores? At least whores provide a service that isn’t about destroying the country. It is time for peaceful rebellion, refuse to serve on jury’s, and refuse to be a witness, if you are forced to go to court, sit with your back to the judge. Never acknowledge an attorneys existence, if they ask you questions, direct your response to someone in the background. Make a stand every one of us, it will make them go bonkers. They think we are their little helpers, they believe they have the right to use us as they please. They can’t stand it when the unwashed masses show them no respect. They represent baby killers so that makes then accessories to baby murder. There was a time in this country when lawyers were respected, those days are gone. Would you serve as a juror for the Nazis? The top law firms are tripping over themselves to defend Gitmo inmates, pro bono no less. They are the lowest life forms on the planet. Tell your reps, I am not happy with the current goings on in the courts. I am disengaging from the bastardized process until it is repaired and the rats removed. And how about a nice 3 by 5 color photo of these rats? We need to know what they look like, as a matter of personal safety. I hope the day comes soon where they are given a choice, life in Pakistan or a sturdy rope, which one will it be?

Posted by: tgusa at January 13, 2007 5:30 PM

Re: Chicago lawyer likens Hamas to movements led by Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela

Deception, deception. deception. It never stops with these creeps. A Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandella are needed in Saudi Arabia and in the Sudan. Stunts, saying one thing in public and another in private, genocide, Jew-hating, etc and these demented clowns compare themselves to defenders of civil rights. Islam is a mental illness.

Posted by: Frank at January 13, 2007 5:47 PM

Pretty soon juries in Detroit (Arabs) or Minneapolis (Somalis) will start giving 'not guilty' verdicts in terrorism trials. Remember OJ.

And the Infidel judges presiding over these trials will be heavily disincented from vacating the verdicts for fear of their lives and those of their families (6th Pillar of Islam in action).

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 13, 2007 7:22 PM

s/o Like Martin Luther King? Pro Hamas?
s/off

Most people including Black Moslems have no clue who wrote the following:

". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's own truth.
"Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be so. "Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them. "The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our own country.

"How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of God's promise, that his People should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is antisemitism.

"The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'! "My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled--as others have beenóinto thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it."
Martin Luther King

Posted by: David England at January 13, 2007 7:38 PM

Goobs

Whats your problem with Mandela?

Atrocities were committed on both sides then. South Africa's transition could have been a disaster for the white minority.

Thanks to Nelson Mandela (even after 27 years in jail)it didn't happen. He and FW de Klerk deserved the peace prize, unlike Arafat, whom you also mention, who did not.

How can you compare his behaviour to that of Al Quaeda, the "Palestinians" and the "Religion of Peace" cult?

Mandela's Children's Fund raises millions to educate and improve the lives of children in South Africa, not to abuse and brainwash them, and turn them into exploding devices for the ROP. That is horrific.

Posted by: Dsinc at January 13, 2007 8:10 PM

The attorney for the defendant Salah is Michael Deutsch. His law practice is "The People's Law Office", self described as: "The PLO was formed in 1969 to represent groups and individuals organizing for social change." And, no, I did not abbreviate the law firm's initials. They actually refer to themselves as the PLO. Their claim to fame is defending Black Panthers. Check their web site:

http://www.peopleslawoffice.com/

The most interesting portion of this trial was the appearance of and testimony by current Israeli Shin Bet officers, whose identities were masked in court to protect them.

Posted by: dm60462 at January 13, 2007 8:58 PM

I completely agree Hamas is just like Nelson Mandela in he is a terrorist of the same communist ilk who has installed a government which is now committing genocide on white people in South Africa.
South African billions are now in the hands of enemies of the United States while Oprah cheers Mandela along with other ignorant people.
As far as Mr. King, I adored his wife as the true hero in putting up with his weaknesses as "his means do not justify the ends". When Mr. King decided to use black children in Alabama to be beaten and chewed on by police dogs and white cops to further his agenda that crossed a line no different than the suicide bomber.
Black kids have no idea who Mr. King even is today and could care less. One can only hope Muslim kids in a few years become just as disillusioned when the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton hucksters of Hamas and Islam bring to ruin Islam the same way black communists are bringing Africa to utter ruin from Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) to South Africa.
Yes South Africa matters as it supplies key metals for United States defense.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at January 13, 2007 9:01 PM

Carolyn2 - At last a crack in the Swedish ice.

Dsinc - South Africa is a disaster. There's plenty of propoganda that says it isn't but talk to anyone who has escaped.

http://www.africancrisis.org/Photos45.asp

Posted by: Borg at January 13, 2007 10:32 PM

Don't scroll down on that link unless you want to see the truth of what is happening to the old farmers who PURCHASED and worked the land. Mostly old people, some babies.

Posted by: Borg at January 13, 2007 10:34 PM

Lame Cherry:

Nelson Mandela was, and is, a Christian (a very devout one at that), as were most of the ANC leadership of his generation. If some of the left-leaning cohort among them later developed a Marxist and Communist bent that is now the source of problems for the whites in South Africa, I blame this on the intransigence of the white ruling class of South Africa, who made it clear for so many years that they were not going to be persuaded by Mandela's Christian social principles (which, being the good Dutch Reformed that they were, they ought to have been). It should be manifestly clear to anyone with a conscience that its wrong to inflict a monstrosity like apartheid on people based on the colour of their skin.

As for King the same is true of him and his followers, and the black children whose suffering you lament King also suffered and for that matter Gandhi used the same tactics in India. Was Gandhi also a "communist"?

I am not some left-winger who sides with communists and reflexively blames whites, the West, America, capitalism and so on, for everything that's wrong with the world but to me it seems self-evident that if a population is persistently brutalized such as the black people in the U.S. (the South especially) were for so long (I readily admit that in my country we've done similar things so don't think I'm on about some anti-American thing) they will become vulnerable to the manipulation of ideologies like Islam that purport to be about social justice and try very deliberately to appeal to their grievances.

Neither the government nor the MSM in my country (Canada) or yours have done a good job of responding to the threat posed by Islam and these forces all have to do a lot more about it than they have, but I see absolutely no point in turning on people like Dr. King or trying to blame them for this problem. If anything, if King et al had had more influence over subsequent developments in the world, the black population in North America might not be the ripe pickings that it is for Islam these days. Hope you'll give this some thought.

Posted by: templar at January 13, 2007 10:39 PM

So in the islamicist movement there is no one equivalent to MLK, who sought equality; CAIR is the equivalent of the moderate privilege-seekers, and the jihadists the equivalent of the the "burn, baby, burn" gang. And their goal is much more ambitious, nothing less than the take-over of the gov't and the replacement of the Constitution by the Sharia.
Well, there's much more that could be said, but my little rant has gone on long enough.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 13, 2007 11:01 AM

CAIR made its agenda quite clear when its chairman, Omar Ahmad, said almost ten years ago:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, Islam the only acceptable religion on earth."

For CAIR to call itself a civil rights group is ludicrous. It is an islamic supremacist organization and an advocate for terrorist groups that seeks to empower muslims by claiming "minority" status and demanding the unfair, unconstitutional perks and privileges that minority groups in America enjoy. Equality in America disappeared when the bleeding heart liberals began over-compensating for past discrimination against blacks. Now every "minority", non-white citizen enjoys special privileges and the muslims want double rewards: their "minority" share plus some more to compensate for being the victims of American "racism" and bigotry. They have taken litigation to a new level in America; look at a muslim the wrong way and expect a lawsuit.

Imagine how humiliating it must be for "the best of people" to live in a place that isn't dominated by islam and muslims, where Christians and Jews vastly outnumber them; where they are forced to conduct their seditious hate rallies in secret; where their strange clothing and weird behavior elicit stares and contempt; where they and their evil religion are hated more every day by the majority population. We might not succeed in getting rid of them, but we can certainly make them as uncomfortable and queasy as they make us.

America is a nation of immigrants but muslims are the first ones to demand that Americans become "educated" about their alien belief system; that we defer to their culture and religion; that we change our ways to accomodate them. They isolate themselves from mainstream America except to exploit the opportunities, resources, and wealth that were created by generations of hard working Americans. Screw muslims; what are they good for except jihad, lawsuits, fraud, terrorism, hate, and incessant whining?

Posted by: Susanp at January 14, 2007 12:05 AM

Lame Cherry

Whatever you are smoking, it's strong stuff.

Communists? Genocide? Enemies of the USA? Ruining Africa? South African billions in enemy hands? Equating the Hamas movement to Nelson Mandela?

Give us some links to the crap you are typing. You obviously don't live in South Africa.

Borg

South Africa is not a disaster. South Africa has a high crime rate. Farmers have been soft targets. Cash in transit heists are a problem.
High unemployment causes crime. Big problems for SA but SA will work to solve these problems, unlike the Hamas, Fatah "Palestinian" - Israeli problem. That is the unsolvable disaster to worry about.
Mandela liberated his people. The "Palestinians" have vowed to obliterate a people. No comparison.

Posted by: Dsinc at January 14, 2007 1:46 AM

For the millionth time, Islam is a religion, not a race.
Martin Luther King preached non-violence, not jihad. Desegregation, not dhimmitude. Brotherhood, not a Caliphate. Civil rights and freedom, not sharia law.

Posted by: Kevin Weakley at January 14, 2007 6:57 AM

If MLK and his followers advocated, blowing up buses, or blowing up hotels, or blowing up airplanes, or blowing up movie theaters, or blowing up restaurants, there probably never would have been a series of law that forced desegregation of public accommodations mixing murdered with murderer.

Perhaps these extremist Moslems are projecting that infidels will now begin segregation which they want to avoid at all cost. Perhaps extremists are correctly projecting infidels will demand that Moslems be segregated. Only a fool or a corrupt politician will allow a mass murderer access to public accomodation. Who would facilitate a mass murderer to commit mass murder? The facilitator at some point becomes an accessory to the crime.

The reality is if these atrocities continue, infidels will shortly call and demand for a security barrier that puts extremist Moslems on separate buses, on separate planes, in separate restaurants and in separate hotels. Unless we start profiling right now, my guess is after the next series of additional murders, the demand for segregation will be so overwhelming that it will probably apply to all Moslems. If the last batch of the faithful in England had succeeded in blowing up simultaneously 13 aircraft, the immams on the recent Yank plane would probably have been lynched instead of nicely asked to deboard.

Many criticize Israel today for constructing the "apartheid" or separation wall, but it seems to be working and it seems to be the better modern trend! Maybe the West needs a King Kong wall from this pestilence.

Criminal, corrupt politicians, segregate terrorists now!

Posted by: David England at January 14, 2007 8:38 AM

if a population is persistently brutalized such as the black people in the U.S. (the South especially) were for so long Posted by Templar

The idea that blacks were 'brutalized' in the South is for the most part a Hollywood myth. I grew up in the South, in a very small town. When the Feds made the black kids come to the white school, they were very angry.

I remember the drumming I got from a girl who should have gone to the Olympics. She was complaining about the change and I tried to convince her that Uncle Sam was doing her a favor. She didn't agree, violently. She was about a foot taller than me and later she did a standing broad jump of almost 11 feet!

Point is, they were happy with the culture they had in their own school and all of this they need help attitude which continues today does nothing to allow self esteem.

Yes, they were denied opportunites, as were women in Amaerica back then. First job I had, the boss told me I would "go in the back room with him or go home", I went home.

The liberals have us all convinced that the only way that change can come about is with legislation. Not.

If blacks are succumbing to the myth of Islam it's because the media has kept them thinking that they are not getting their fair shake. Even Oprah and Bill Cosby are speaking out about this.

The one thing we all have to do in this fight (against Islam)is to examine everything we have been fed for the last 30 years and make sure we can tell the fairy tales from reality.

Aunt Bea

Posted by: auntbea at January 14, 2007 8:52 AM

Dsinc - you obviously didn't look at those photos. Many of those people were killed in their beds. Poverty doesn't cause murder.

I am not saying it is the same kind of problem in any way. But it is a serious problem. When the majority government looks the other way while the productive workers are murdered that is a serious problem. It doesn't get any international attention because they are white.

I have no respect for Mandela. As the leader of a country he should take care of ALL the people in the country not just the people of his race. Shame on anyone who thinks otherwise. Some day you or your children will end up the minority under the thumb of another race and you better hope the results will be better. But don't hold your breath.

But
ISLAM
is
the
worlds
biggest
problem.

Nothing compares.

Posted by: Borg at January 14, 2007 5:59 PM

auntbea- Agreed. We have been feed a false reality for so long we don't know how to find the truth anymore.

Posted by: Borg at January 14, 2007 6:00 PM

Dsinc

I'm only comparing acts of violence. Martin Luther King did not blow people up or condone such actions. He preached peace and hope and believed that by protesting in a godly manner, that minds could be changed.

ANY person or group, no matter how just the cause, that uses violence against people who are not soldiers, is in my opinion a terrorist.

The PC folks insist on calling terrorists 'freedom fighters'. They insist on calling homicide bombers 'suicide bombers'.

Look at how stupid society went when they chose to ignore all the terrorism of Arafat's past and pretend that he was suddenly a peaceful person.

If the Palestinians were prepared to have civil discussions and REALLY wanted peace, they would TALK instead of threatening and blowing up innocents.

Martin Luther King should not be put in the same category as Mandela or Arafat, who did not consider their VICTIMS innocent.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 17, 2007 1:28 PM