It's just a question of time when he will be a puppet for the extremists. It will happen sooner or later, one way or the other.

Posted by: Arnie at January 14, 2007 9:28 AM

It is obvious just reading the most basic texts of Islam that this man is heterodox and corrupted. He quite clearly refuses the Muslim's highest duty of Jihad, of establishing the rule of Allah over all mankind.
It frightens me to think how many youths he has corrupted with this 'vague, soft-soap, touchy-feely' version of Islam.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at January 14, 2007 9:43 AM

When a muslim kills someone and says, "You're next," either shoot first or get outta Dodge.

I agree with Poetcomic1, Imam Shaheed Satardien is swimming against the current. He may pay dearly for his efforts.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 14, 2007 9:57 AM

Beneath a basketball net in a freezing sports hall, a Muslim cleric is waging war on Islamic extremism.

Then he's waging war on Islam itself.

If you wonder why I say this, revering when Mohammed had a Companion build a camp fire on a man's chest to get him to reveal the location of a safe full of treasure is extreme.

Both the act itself and the act of having reverence for chest camp fire are extreme. No two ways about it.

* 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21*

Perhaps the good Imam Shaheed Satardien should convert to Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, some other real religion.

Cuz Islam ain't a religion; it's an ideology of violence. You'd think he'd a figured that out by now...

Maybe he's a dumbass. Keeps mouthing off in front of Moslems and he'll soon be a dead dumbass.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 14, 2007 10:08 AM

Beneath a basketball net in a freezing sports hall, a Muslim cleric is waging war on Islamic extremism.

Then he's waging war on Islam itself.

If you wonder why I say this, revering when Mohammed had a Companion build a camp fire on a man's chest to get him to reveal the location of a safe full of treasure is extreme.

Both the act itself and the act of having reverence for chest camp fire are extreme. No two ways about it.

* 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21** 33:21*

Perhaps the good Imam Shaheed Satardien should convert to Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, some other real religion.

Cuz Islam ain't a religion; it's an ideology of violence. You'd think he'd a figured that out by now...

Maybe he's a dumbass. Keeps mouthing off in front of Moslems and he'll soon be a dead dumbass.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 14, 2007 10:08 AM

Published by the PC Multiculturalist left-wing media in a last ditch attempt to promote the lost cause of integration. The "Moderates" have lost, Jihadists are the true Muslims.

It's abit too late to raise the banner of tolerant Islam when the global Jihad is all around us.

Posted by: raz at January 14, 2007 10:23 AM

New to this fine website. It seems mere criticism of Islam from anyone is punishable with death.How fair is that?

Posted by: Oyobear at January 14, 2007 10:41 AM

Posted by: henry at January 14, 2007 10:35 AM

There's something true about your comment.
When you approach them straight forward, without talking any bla,bla,bla, they respect you the more and/or are more careful and try to ignore you away.

They sense that they have no way to go any further with you. As soon as you show up with any crack in your attitude they will fill it with their ideolgy whenever, where-ever, whoever it is.

http://civoc.com/society/?p=141

Posted by: Arnie at January 14, 2007 10:56 AM

He didn't need to plead for asylum.

As some-one who has citizenship from a commonwealth country, such as South Africa, he has the right to live in Ireland if he has either Irish parents or grandparents.

So I don't understand why he had to plead for asylum.

Posted by: Voltaire at January 14, 2007 11:02 AM

Imam Shaheed Satardien needs to realize that the extremists are just doing what koran and hadiths say
you must do. all this peace and luv does not belong to islam. if he were smart, he should just leave islam. l use to think reform was best within islam, but this evil ideology has a system that prevents any true reformer, and being dead ends that reform.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 14, 2007 11:04 AM

henry, car bumpers are fine if you dont drive and park where muslims can do harm to your car. my vehicle is too expensive and insurance to take a chance let alone my safety. l can usually watch out for myself, but l ussually carry my dogs (crated) and would be enraged to see harm come to them. although getting a bumper sticker with jihaad watch website address might be better. l now have a support the troops on my van, and that can bring stares by a few.. lol

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 14, 2007 11:08 AM

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 14, 2007 11:04 AM

True to the heart of the matter, but I do believe that Muslims long for peace because the quran doesn't provide it and keeps them in a constant struggle or Jihad against anybody, anything, anywhere at any time.

Every Muslim is an errorist and many become t(errible)-errorists.

Posted by: Arnie at January 14, 2007 11:09 AM

ps.. in a rush..as usual.. " can do no harm" lol

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 14, 2007 11:09 AM

Actually I prefer a stamp. You know, the ones that you can set up with a particular message. I carry it everywhere. Going out to dinner, leave your mark on the napkins when you leave…www.jihadwatch.org. The possibilities are endless. And it’s all completely anonymous. http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/splash/stampsmulti.aspx?mk=Custom+Rubber+Stamps&GP=1%2F14%2F2007+11%3A03%3A48+AM
Here is another… The Free World is in the Balance…www.jihadwatch.org.

Posted by: tgusa at January 14, 2007 11:16 AM

Bumper stickers yes, but win over don't alienate. Mine says "I'm Islamophobic - and so are you" which forces EVERYONE to confront their REAL feelings.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at January 14, 2007 11:17 AM

What about hand finished greeting cards, something with a personal touch?
Let me know if you're interested in it. Good for fundraising too.
I've good resources for that kind of project.

Anyone need more info?

Posted by: Arnie at January 14, 2007 11:34 AM

"THE KORAN IS AN EVIL BIBLE THAT FEED AN EVIL RELIGION THAT LOVES MURDER" EVERYONE LOVES MY BUMPER STICKER - I'VE NEVER HAD ANY TROUBLE.
Posted by Henry

LOL
If you did that in the UK if the moes didn't torch the vehicle first, you would be arrested by the police and be had up for inciting racial hatred.

I would suggest puting stickers discreetly on lamposts etc. late at night while walking the dog to advertise our cause. Much safer that way!

Posted by: hierophant at January 14, 2007 11:48 AM

Mr. Martyr (Shaheed) seems to be a white muslim. In that case, his opinion holds no weight, no value.

Posted by: loler at January 14, 2007 11:49 AM

OT update,
Criminal lawyers and Gitmo,
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006688.htm
Doesn’t take much to send them scurrying for cover. Keep after them, dog them wherever they rear their ugly heads. Never let up.

Posted by: tgusa at January 14, 2007 12:11 PM

OT update on our friend Naseem.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/World/Pakistan/In_the_name_of_honour_Pak_couple_burnt_alive/articleshow/1041392.cms

Posted by: JadeDragoness at January 14, 2007 12:21 PM

Now this puzzles me. All the mainstream sources of government or media keep on telling us that the majority of Muslims are peaceloving and wonderful people. But this one man has been virtually thrown out of South Africa, his younger brother has been shot dead and he is now threatened and shunned by his fellow believers in Northern Ireland. All this for daring to plead for Muslims to be peaceful? I thought they were already peaceful, or are the government and media lying to us?
Now, if we are being lied to, this would mean that the majority of Muslims are not peaceloving. If this is the case why are our governments allowing, nay pleading, with Muslims to come and live among us in their millions? Won't this eventually mean we will, at some time in the future, have to all become Muslim or Dhimmi or take on the Muslim hordes in physical combat in order to reclaim what was ours in the first place? Please, anyone, help me to understand what is going on here.

Posted by: Alan(UK) at January 14, 2007 12:22 PM

hierophant said:

"I would suggest puting stickers discreetly on lamposts etc. late at night while walking the dog to advertise our cause. Much safer that way!"

Great suggestion! And if you visit neighborhoods with lots of trees, post with a small staple gun --very efficient.
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www.JihadWatch.org
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tgusa/

Thanks for the link to Michelle's post!

--quote: The full list of law firms involved was made public through a FOIA request by Monica Crowley, who doesn't have it up on her site yet--but we'll be watching.--/quote.

Indeed we will!!

Posted by: Malinois at January 14, 2007 12:28 PM

The same thing happened here in Canada. There was a Muslim here -- he wasn't an imam, but he was outspoken against the cult of death and the jihadists. I believe he was also a member of the NDP (an ultra-left party), along with being a communications director for a Muslim group. Well, since he didn't endorse jihad and suicide bombings -- he got -- you guesed it -- death threats from the radicals. He eventually had to resign, step out of public life, etc. So, it does make one wonder about the number of "radicals" to "moderates." It appears that the radicals have the upper-hand.

Posted by: J.S. at January 14, 2007 12:47 PM

Give the imam a gun and a 007 license to kill and he will be the law east to the Pecos and in the majority leading the Islamic sheep in Dublin. Until the peacemakers in Islam learn they have to kill the murderers and do it Muslims will have no peace.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at January 14, 2007 12:55 PM

I toured the Islamic Cultural Center of Ireland in Dublin while I lived in Ireland in hte late 1990's.

Here is some history of Islam in Ireland:

Muslims began arriving in Ireland in the early 1950s, mainly as students; some of them later settled in Ireland and married Irish nationals. The first Muslim organisation in Ireland, the Dublin Islamic Society, was formed in 1959 by a group of Muslim students. Premises at 7 Harrington Street were bought to be used as a mosque. In 1983 larger premises for a mosque at 163 South Circular Road, were acquired.

In 1992 Sheikh Hamdan Al Maktoum (deputy ruler of Dubai) agreed to fund new facilities for the Dublin Muslim community. A 4-acre site was purchased including a training-centre; which had previously been a school. In 1993 this became the location of the Muslim National School. Construction of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland (ICCI) then began. On November 16th 1996 the ICCI was officially opened by President Mary Robinson and Sheikh Hamdan Al Maktoum. Sheikh Hamdan covers the running costs of the ICCI. The ICCI was designed by the Irish architect firm, Michael Collins & Associates who in 1997 won an award for their design from the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland.

Read it all here:
http://iccislam.dyndns.org/enter-the-icci/about-us.html

Posted by: Johnathan at January 14, 2007 12:59 PM

'I never, ever, expected that Muslims would come under the influence of extremists in Ireland when I arrived here with my family. So I was shocked to find support for Osama bin Laden, to discover the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood and even al-Qaeda here in Dublin.'

It took so long to get the British out of Ireland, now the Irish have to deal with these oppressors? Islam is a mental illness. Get them out of Ireland.

Posted by: Frank at January 14, 2007 1:07 PM

An Irish muslim? Ha! Ha! Ha! That's pretty funny! You'd think leprecauns would be more common! Maybe the Irish muslims are like the evil leprecaun from those movies Leprecaun 1,2, and 3. Instead of banging you on the shin demanding their gold back, they demand you convert to Islam... :)

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 14, 2007 1:34 PM

From the iccislam web site:

"By and large the Muslim existence in Eire is facilitated by the fact that there are huge amount of historical and traditional commonalities between the Muslim immigrants and the Irish natives."

Rubbish! I'd like to see the specifics on the huge amount of historical and traditional commonalities between the muslims and the Irish.

Posted by: the poetess at January 14, 2007 1:43 PM

A.I. Steamroller-

That is really funny-LOL

Posted by: Frank at January 14, 2007 1:46 PM

A.I. Steamroller-

That is really funny-LOL

Posted by: Frank at January 14, 2007 01:46 PM

Thanks! That being the case, maybe we don't need guns, bats, or special security troops to deal with the muslim leprecauns of Ireland. Maybe all we need are some big trash bags. Like on the Simpsons, the muslim leprecauns will be inside going "Let us out! Let us out! We'll give you gold!" LOL!

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 14, 2007 2:08 PM

Off topic from Kosovo:

Muslim Albanians rob, desecrate church in Kosovo

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 14, 2007 2:50 PM

After telling is repeatedly how his efforts at conducting a peaceful "spiritual" type of Islam have been resisted by the majority of his fellow Muslims, Imam Shaheed Satardien at the end of the article then goes on to say: 'I want to tell the kids from all faiths about true Islam, not the radicalised, false version they hear about in the media.'

His statement here implies that "the media" has got the actual Islam wrong -- yet his personal experience with the majority of Muslims around him according to his own testimony contradicts this. Which is it? Surely, the majority of Muslims around him are not putting the Media's version of Islam above Mohammed's version, are they?

Posted by: remote_control at January 14, 2007 3:01 PM

I don't think Ireland either will stand up to the muslim onslaught. Popular opinion seems to be that Islam is like Irish Catholicism of the 1950s' (which it ain't) so there is a certain amount of 'understanding' shown towards it.

Also there is a feeling that because Irish emigrants settled in so many other countries over the decades that the Irish should now welcome all immigrants into Ireland, a generous sentiment no doubt, but it runs into trouble when it comes to the religion of peace.

There numbers have doubled in 4 years, from 20000 to 40000.

I read awhile ago there was trouble in a muslim school in Dublin, where visiting imams and such wouldn't share the staffroom with female teachers.

Here's a nice little story from the Celtic Tiger:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014657.php

Posted by: Silvester at January 14, 2007 3:08 PM

PS Scroll down to my entry.

Posted by: Silvester at January 14, 2007 3:08 PM

Please, anyone, help me to understand what is going on here.
Posted by: Alan(UK) at January 14, 2007 12:22 PM

Search me buddy. Your posting makes a lotto sense to me. We are being lied to that is the reason why everyone here is screaming up loud from top of their head. I believe that all of us are going to face a very difficult future with the Muselimbs unless we ship'em back today.

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at January 14, 2007 4:44 PM

St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland. Now the Irish have let them back in.

Posted by: USBeast at January 14, 2007 6:04 PM

Robert Briscoe was one thing. So was Chaim Herzog and his more intelligent brother, children of the Grand Rabbi of Ireland. And so was Leopold Bloom. The Muslims now in Ireland, with the exception of this exceptional man and a few others, are quite another. And the Irish press, that has been so consistently vicious in its presentation of the Lesser Jihad against Israel, so devoid of the facts, so indifferent to the context in time and space, has also prevented, by its monomaniacal attacks on Israel, a sensible understanding, or glimmer of one, about the tenets, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam.

Posted by: Hugh at January 14, 2007 7:04 PM

This man's denial is breath-taking but, sadly, it comes as no surprise since the tiny minority that make up the mythical "vast majority of moderate and peace loving muslims" are all in the same degree of denial.

This guy gets kicked out of one country by extremists and then claims that he would have never dreamed that Ireland would become extremist by majority as well. He gets the boot from the majority again and he still insists that islam is not represented by these types.

It never and most likely will never occur to him to ask why islam is so uniquely susceptible to take-over by extremists or why it has been completely unable to overcome the backward elements of Arabic or whatever other primative culture happens to be blamed for the state of muslim cultures not even with 1400 years to do so. (ask this question the next time someone blames muslim backwardness on pre-islamic tribal culture)

Noone seems to ever ask this question. If it was such a great religion how come it was taken over so easily by extremists? Why has it been taken over so easily by extremists every where in the world? Why are so-called moderate bastions of islam like Malaysia and Indonesia getting more radical by the day? Why is it alone among the worlds religions a complete push over for extremism and monstrous violence and oppression???

Posted by: peggy32 at January 14, 2007 7:42 PM

From the iccislam web site:

"By and large the Muslim existence in Eire is facilitated by the fact that there are huge amount of historical and traditional commonalities between the Muslim immigrants and the Irish natives."

The above is typical Islamist code-speech. When they speak of commonalities, it refers to the British occupiers and oppressors of the Irish -- that's the "commonality."

Ironically, of course, the greatest imperialists in the world have been Muslim -- along with their conquests of vast land masses throughout world history. I once read a macro-historical text which looked at the history of mankind -- the entire world's history, east and west -- the author compiled an overview in terms of time, location, and duration of "free" or "liberal" societies vs brutal, autocratic, dictatorships -- and, the "free" societies comprise only a tiny, tiny fraction of the history of mankind -- the great bulk of time and location for humankind has been suffering under the yoke of brutal, vicious tyrannical regimes (many of them Muslim).

Western-style democracies are a freakish exception to the "norm" -- our democracies with their rights and freedoms are a fragile flower.

But the Islamists like to whine and claim that they are "oppressed" -- like the Irish were "oppressed" by the Brits. That's their continual lie -- the lie that Islamist organizations such as CAIR exploit. Remember, the Islamists wish to see themselves as Jews -- as an oppressed, beleaguered minority facing daily discrimination -- the reality, of course, is the mirror opposite. Rather than being "oppressed", they make insistent demands on their host nations, and they expect the Dhimmis, the "inferiors," to comply and happily acquiesce.

Posted by: J.S. at January 14, 2007 9:25 PM

Talk about "don't belong".
Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Switzerland....
not the desert of the middle east.
Colonists.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 14, 2007 10:40 PM

Ahhh. The religion of peace at work again. Now watch for his obituary.

Posted by: sounder at January 15, 2007 9:22 AM

" I know for a fact that when the Americans killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi there were prayers for him in this city. This was for a man who slaughtered other Muslims."

In this quote by this forward-thinking imam, which can be read toward the end of the complete article, the imam points out that Zarqawi killed fellow Muslims, something that is unIslamic. Hmmm. As a non-Muslim, I find this objection particularly uninspiring. Just remember, even moderate Islam is immoderate as far as non-Muslims are concerned.

Posted by: former liberal WF at January 15, 2007 11:57 AM

The minority of Muslim moderates need to be supported and encouraged, not derided and labelled as idiots as so many have done here. Remember that Christians happily slaughtered infidels (Jews, "witches", etc) and treated women as chattel for a good chunk of the last 2000 years before finally coming to their senses. Hopefully, for all our sakes, Muslims will do the same soon. But Islam needs more people like Shaheed Satardien for that to ever happen. And those people could use some encouragement from the rest of us rather than knee-jerk disdain for their belief system. Islam isn't going to just fade away, folks - it's here to stay just as much as Christianity or Buddhism.

Posted by: mattbert at January 15, 2007 3:47 PM

Jade: Are you sure the Naseem in the article you linked was the one who posted here? If so, I feel very sorry for her.

Posted by: Kepha at January 15, 2007 5:53 PM

Truthfully, everyone in Islam is behind the times; by at least 600 years. I just saw a documentary of an idiot eating a live snake before the camera. He wasn't hungry, he did it out of spite....I can only hope a snake catches up to him and eats him alive.

It appears we're only trying to convince Islam to switch to Christianity.

Posted by: Jeff at January 15, 2007 8:35 PM

Ok mattbert,
Tell me how many moderates there are? Then, tell me what a moderate racist, sexist looks like/ acts like. Do I really want to embrace moderation just because it doesn’t go as far as the extremists? I disagree that as you say islam is here to stay, at least not in its present cannibalistic form. Also I searched this post for references to idiots and found none, so my question to you is what do you know about islam or moderation? Frankly I’m wondering what you know about anything. They don’t want anything to do with you or yours except to “use” as they see fit. Why are you telling us that islam is here to stay, I’ll tell you why, you are (my guess) a leftard or ( not likely) a muslim in disguise. You aren’t arrogant or vindictive enough to be the latter. Go about your hopeful road alone, when we see a minority of muslims standing up we will acknowledge it. When they are coming for you try that last post on them, see how far it gets you. Wake up before you lose everything.

Posted by: tgusa at January 15, 2007 9:30 PM

tgusa,

Currently there are more extremists than moderates, as we both know and as I stated in my original post. The exact numbers are irrelevant, so why do you ask?

I happen live next-door to a nice moderate Muslim couple. He is originally from Bosnia, she is from Turkey. They are not racist or sexist, they enjoy drinking wine (just as moderate Catholics use contraceptives regardless of what the Pope says), and they're obviously far less prejudiced than you. When my wife and I go on vacation they take care of our cat (we give them our house keys). They even put up a Christmas tree every year. How many Muslims do you know personally? I know what moderate intolerance sounds like - it sounds alot like you.

I saw at least one post calling the imam a dumbass for his efforts at moderation. Someone else said he should convert to a "real religion". Yeah, that's constructive encouragement for the moderates.

When I said Islam is here to stay, of course I did not mean in it's currently prevalent violent form, so what are you disagreeing with? As I already stated, Christianity is here to stay as well, but thankfully it's former propensity for violence (Crusades, Inquisitions, etc) is gone and it's remaining extremist absurdities (such as creationism) will soon follow.

I'm sure I sound like a leftist compared to some of the far-right viewpoints expressed here but I generally lean libertarian. You're the one who needs to wake up, there is a minority of Muslims trying to spur change and all you care to do is write them all off as lightweight extremists. The real extremists should be shown no mercy or leeway, but the moderates need all the help and encouragement they can get to spur Islam out of the Dark Ages as quickly as possible.

Posted by: mattbert at January 16, 2007 10:56 AM

Mattbert,

The arguments about the extent of the extremism in Muslim communities is worthy of attention. There are indicators (some obvious, some less obvious) that many, many in the Muslim community are being radicalized. But, you know, I don't think non-Muslims can stop it (by "it" I mean the radicalizing).

Of course, as you've stated, "Islam needs more people like Shaheed Satardien." But whether these few are going to be successful or not depends on the MUSLIM community -- not on us.

Again, here in Canada, there was a muslimm moderate -- he had his own tv program, etc. he was very, very popular (very liberal, very likable) -- the Islamists despised him and went after him, calling him names -- as if he were an apostate Muslim (implying he wasn't *really* a Muslim). He was hounded -- NOT BY non-Muslims -- but by members of his OWN community. Ok? That's a problem. And no matter what we say, it doesn't change what's happening here.

(parenthetically, the name calling is another problem, probably should be avoided!)

Posted by: J.S. at January 16, 2007 11:40 AM