Yes Mr. bush has probably figured out a better way of doing it. After all everyone and their cousin knows about it. Go Bush, you savage savage neo neo con!

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 5:37 PM

So why is not signing this going to make us safer and stronger? What is he giving up presidential power.. Seems he is tacking left...what a danger for us!

Posted by: lonewolf at January 17, 2007 5:42 PM

It only makes a terror attack more probable, sorry, but that is what needs to occur. Otherwise we will be left wide open ignoring the true danger and the silent jihad will proceed unhindered. I prefer direct confrontation, not pussy footing around.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 5:47 PM

sort of gun-shy, isn't he? (after realizing that "democracy" isn't what he thought it would be in the "new" Iraq he saved from Saddam.)

Why did he (Bush) attack Iraq (after Afghanistan), when the financing and most of the murderers came from Saudi Arabia?

(rhetorical question)

for more about this, click on "unicorns62000" below.

Oh, and why the 2000 after unicorns? that's when the warning about the danger posed by Islam was first broached by us (at AOL, then Yahoo, and MSN--on message boards and in "Groups." Been shouting about this for so long that we're hoarse.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 5:51 PM

I have to feel sympathy for the President on this one. I don't think this decision was his own. After all, the Patriot Act and wiretapping was his idea. This smells of the Dhimmicrats. I think they simply pounded on the poor guy for so long over this, trying to make it look like he was out to get ordinary Americans, that he simply hasn't got any fight left in him over the issue. If we are hit again, it will be the Dhimmicrats' fault. They are so full of hate for George Bush and so desperate to get their power back, they will say and do anything they think makes him look bad, even if it means placing all our lives in jeopardy. True traitors and power-mad leftist fools to the bitter end they are....

Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 17, 2007 5:52 PM

President Bush has decided not to renew a program of domestic spying on ism suspects

Why spy? Arrest them and deport them; or make sure they NEVER come back!

Posted by: witness at January 17, 2007 5:52 PM

Nothing more than an attempt at scoring some meaningless political points with the other side of the aisle. If anyone honestly believes this will bring domestic surveillance to a halt, that bridge in Brooklyn is long overdue for a sale. What this will ultimately due,however, is further polarize the legislative branch.

Posted by: We need G.C. Scott at January 17, 2007 5:57 PM

Well why re authorize when the New York Times and those comrades in CIA who leaked the story have alerted Muslims to what is going on. It is like these leftists want an attack now to happen so they can blame Bush.
Granted Bush already has found a way around this in the most likely policy of before of the Canadians spying on Americans and NSA "accidentally" seeing the information they collect on Canucks spying on Americans.
For those who think America should deport Muslims, please include the Times and all these aiding terrorists. A Man without a Country was a good book that American policy should implement as terrorists can not pull off half of what they do without western sponsors.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at January 17, 2007 6:03 PM

Is there a reason why we should trust George who allows border agents to go to jail for doing their job? Or Congress which is attempting to do this?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53813

In what sounds like a comedy sketch from Jon Stewart's Daily Show, but isn't, the U. S. Senate would impose criminal penalties, even jail time, on grassroots causes and citizens who criticize Congress," says Richard A. Viguerie, chairman of GrassrootsFreedom.com

Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress, as lobbyists are required.

So who is the enemy? The average American citizen seems to be the "enemy" with the Washington elites.

If this is "freedom;" keep it! I don't want it or need it! And it is NOT worth saving!

Posted by: witness at January 17, 2007 6:06 PM

Slightly OT, but I caught part of the Bush interview on 60 Minutes last Sunday. (I don't normally watch the show, but just tuned in to see how badly the talking heads would attack Bush.) In the part I watched, some pompous self-impressed 'journalist' was suggesting to Bush that he apologize to the Iraqi people for all the mistakes he's made. Bush' response floored me. He said we liberated them from a tyrant, for which the Iraqis owed the American people a big debt of gratitude. I mean, here is Bush, a guy who is giving up, what, at least 30 IQ points to this pompous ass from the MSM, yet he completely shut him up with that response. Almost made me respect Bush. Almost.

Posted by: Infidel33 at January 17, 2007 6:09 PM

You all elected this guvment over time, not only the Pres. get over it. Do any of you really believe the Pres. runs it all? Cmon, use your brain if you have one, read the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and on and on, then come here scared and afraid of the big bad islamists and their apologists. You asked for it you got it…enjoy. Things will sort themselves out in the future no doubt.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 6:30 PM

Giving in to pressure...

That's our George, giving in to pressure. Gave in to it when he pronounced Islam to be a religion of peace even before the dust settled on 9/11.

Resolute, stiff upper lip George. Now he's giving in to pressure and according Moslem foreigner Jihad war terrorists the full benefit of their rights under the U.S. Constitution.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 17, 2007 6:32 PM

witness,

It has begun--the abrogation of the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment appears to be going first.

Keep our mouths shut and take it. "Washington" knows best (DC that is).

What comes next? You guessed it! Amendment No. 2. So, who's in cahoots (knowingly or unintentionally) with our enemy which is Islam? Those that we allow to govern us.

Answer to the above paragraph Bill of Rights abrogation: "from my dead hands." sounds grim? It may come to that, if we allow it.

The Government forbids criticism of itself.

The people in power line their pockets. Screw the "people"--those who go to work every day to earn money to pay taxes that pay those we pay to govern us.

While we allow our system to implode, the Islamic enemy gloats, rubs his hands (prayer-beads a-swinging) and only has to wait.

More cannot be said--the dossiers are being prepared, "law-enforcement" (laws against the people--us) will come to make arrests.

Once the Bill of Rights goes out the window, can the Constitution be far behind?

We are playing into the hands of our sworn enemy. CAIR has indicated that it is not an American organization--it would like to see the Constitution supplanted by the koran and its disgusting sharia law.

Its wish could be coming to pass. First Congress (Senate) shuts up the Grassroots movements. Next we find that "camps" are being prepared--not for enemy Moslems as they (Moslems) are leading us to believe--but for "dissidents"--Americans that do not agree with the people we let govern us.

Dark picture? You bet what-your-sitting-on it is!

What to do?

Pray.

And if that doesn't work right away. Give it some thought.

Now, I ain't saying nothing, see. I mean, I am loyal to the Government. everyone here can vouch for that can't they? Well, can't they? Can I count on you?

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 6:32 PM

Oh come on APF,
What do you know about anti subversive warfare? As far as my plan goes, they are following it to a tee. What plan is that you say? Never mind, I don’t want it spread around for some to attack. I have to thank them for it, it is after all quite sly. I read more insanity here than I do at the leftard sites sometimes. But tell me, what is your workable plan?

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 6:40 PM

postscript, to what I said above:

A bunch of hippies, draft resisters (and dodgers) cum Communist sympathizers (fellow travellers) made us lose a war--in Vietnam*.

If these "peaceful"--well some of them weren't all that (Weathermen, panthers, berets, whatever), if these "peaceful" resisters and demonstrators were able to stop us from fighting a war then, the less peaceful of us now should be able to make the Government stop turning the country over to Islam.

___________________
*and are trying today to make us lose what we have gained by deposing Saddam in Iraq with a willy-nilly retreat, leaving our arms behind.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 6:41 PM

It only makes a terror attack more probable, sorry, but that is what needs to occur. Otherwise we will be left wide open ignoring the true danger and the silent jihad will proceed unhindered. I prefer direct confrontation, not pussy footing around.
Posted by: tgusa

Unfortunately you are right about everything you say here.

Unfortunately I still have to be in New York for another year or so.

If I had my druthers this city would be very well-protected..

Unfortunately I am not in charge of the Laws and their implementation.

So I will just have to hope that I'll get out in one piece because I agree with TG. The shyte will hit the fan. The politicians will sit pretty and protected while we, the people pay the price for their seditious decisions against us.

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 17, 2007 6:42 PM

Don’t worry MeanieMo, consider yourself a patriot behind enemy lines, I do. If in the future you need to get out, drop me a post, I will do what I can unless they get me first.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 6:47 PM

*and are trying today to make us lose what we have gained by deposing Saddam in Iraq with a willy-nilly retreat, leaving our arms behind.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 06:41 PM

Just a moment ago, I heard on the radio the talking amongst the think-tanks about the estimated of one million Iraqis, whom America will be obliged to bring to the USA as refugees, in case of the military defeat.

They are coming--soon.

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2007 7:00 PM

is this "COMMENTS" section here atJihad Watch the "Voice of the people"--at least of some of the people? Or is it space given to a handful of unhinged "nuts"--out of touch with public sentiment (if there is such a thing)?

Remember, there are people who read these COMMENTS but never comment themselves. Are they with us--or against us?

I mean not right vs left but Americans versus jihadist Moslems.

We (with the leadership of the Jihad Watch Board--Director & co.) are making headway, slowly, laboriously. There has been a change though, since 9-11, when government did everything to protect the Moslems in this country whom they considered in grave danger(not so much--some idiot shot and killed a Sikh--of all the people NOT to shoot at that time).

The MSM are no longer mouthing the word "terrorists" as much as "Islamists" (after the abandoning of "Islamofascists.")

But, after all, what's in a name? An Islamic by any other name would give off as offensive an odor (figuratively--only, we hope).

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 7:05 PM

ssa,

Let's hope the millions of Iraqis coming to the USA are Christians--Chaldeans, Assyrians--not sht-eatin'shi'ites or any other kind of critters of the mohammedan persuasion.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 7:07 PM

ssa,
Back for more huh? You sound happy about these infiltrators coming aboard. Are you or are you not? Its easy yes or no will do.
BTW, in the future when you use my words show some consideration and name me as your villian.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 7:08 PM

Now, I ain't saying nothing, see. I mean, I am loyal to the Government. everyone here can vouch for that can't they? Well, can't they? Can I count on you?

Sure.

If this passes (I think it will eventually)then when the bloggers of this site are required to account to Congress, I will put in a good word for you.

Remember, keep your papers in order; und you will like it; or you may be shot?

"Alles gut?" Heil!

Posted by: witness at January 17, 2007 7:16 PM

I thought that was Seig Heil und fatherland!
Naw, I pass on the Islamonazi Germanic rhetoric.
How bout seig heil pinc puto!

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 7:27 PM

Let's hope the millions of Iraqis coming to the USA are Christians--Chaldeans, Assyrians--not sht-eatin'shi'ites or any other kind of critters of the mohammedan persuasion.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 17, 2007 07:07 PM

I am with you, and also with Mr. Witness, but I have found only a very small number are like us. I have prayed at least two times a day for America for many, many years; but what I see, is what you see.

unicorns62000, the Christians have already fled Iraq by great numbers, these are industrious people like the Christians everywhere in Islamic world; e.g. a Lebanese Christian, Bridget Gabriel. Check her website; however you wish, please keep in mind that more than 90% Iraqis are Mulsims.

There is atalking in Washington in the last few days about the US's contempeting of handing Iraq to the UN. When that come through, the UN will make sure the US absorb a lion share of them.

Sorry to make sad, but I the cloud is gathering, I can't help to think that the storm approaching.

I am sure tgusa will be offended, but I couldn't care less.

Posted by: ssa at January 17, 2007 7:35 PM

I have to feel sympathy for the President on this one. I don't think this decision was his own. After all, the Patriot Act and wiretapping was his idea. This smells of the Dhimmicrats. I think they simply pounded on the poor guy for so long over this, trying to make it look like he was out to get ordinary Americans, that he simply hasn't got any fight left in him over the issue. If we are hit again, it will be the Dhimmicrats' fault. They are so full of hate for George Bush and so desperate to get their power back, they will say and do anything they think makes him look bad, even if it means placing all our lives in jeopardy. True traitors and power-mad leftist fools to the bitter end they are....
Posted by: A.I. Steamroller

None of which stops Mr. Bush from using the "bully pulpit" and start sounding the alarm! If I were he I'd say loud and clear that those who deny the CIA these powers of terrorist surveillance are taking the lives of our citizens in their hands.

He needs to SPEAK UP if he's really serious about something. My hunch is he knows this will be a bad thing to allow to expire but he can't afford to upset his SOWdi sponsors too much.

He's doing what he can to appease "the right" but if he gets too proactive the SOWdis will think he may actually mean business.

George Mushy Raff playing both ends against the middle.

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 17, 2007 7:37 PM

Look ssa,
I’m a nice guy, much nicer and compassionate than most. I want to like you but you are making it hard. I think you are an islamist fermenting bad news and other things here. Scaring people into believing that the muslim hordes are just over the hill and about to be all over us, am I wrong? No I’m not, you couldn’t care less. That’s right it is Bull**** , stop using my words twisted to suit your cause, please. You know how I know? Ok one tidbit, don’t forget it, you hate me so you must hate my country. Do you think we are all idiots or sexfeinds as you have been brainwashed to believe? I wait for your response.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 7:53 PM

Oh come on APF, What do you know about anti subversive warfare?

You talking to me, tgusa? I haven't said anything about a plan. Somebody else musta made that statement and you were reading fast and mistook me for that person.

However, I do have a workable plan. If you're interested, lemme know.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 17, 2007 8:04 PM

Is your name APF?
If so I am, let me have it. If I was wrong I apologize.

Posted by: tgusa at January 17, 2007 8:09 PM

I mean, here is Bush, a guy who is giving up, what, at least 30 IQ points to this pompous ass from the MSM, yet he completely shut him up with that response. Almost made me respect Bush. Almost.

Posted by: Infidel33

This is a fine example of the way the leftwing media sets the terms of debate. Bush is a dummy, no matter that he graduated from Yale, and from Harvard Business School. Well, Billy and Hillary also graduated from Yale (Law). But somehow in their cases this was an intellectual accomplishment; in Bush's case, he was a mere "legacy".

Much the same strategy was used in regard to military service. In '88, Dan Quayle was preseented as a shirker and coward because he'd served in the national guard during the Vietnam era -- the little rich boy whose daddy had got him into the guard while boys from working-class families were sent to 'Nam. In '92 that line was quickly dropped when it turned out that Billy the Kid had wangled his way into the Reserves (and then out of them when he got his Rhodes) during the same timeframe. It was "old news", "we've moved on." But then in 2000 and '04, it was suddenly important again, with Dubya's national guard service. Funny how that works. It's a good thing we have the MSM to keep us informed on what's important.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 17, 2007 8:24 PM

Is your name APF? If so I am, let me have it. If I was wrong I apologize.

Well, some call me that. If some cretin is running around in here violating my tradeark on that acronym I'll sue his ass into Arabia.

My Plan

A) Form a not-for-profit corp.

B) Raise $50 million

C) Start a website called EducateYourselfAboutIslam.com

D) Shoot a series of 60 second video spots that dramatize key scenes taken from Islamic scripture:

* The killing of Abu Afak.

* The killing of Asma Marwan.

* Attack upon the Banu Qaynuqa Jews.

* The killing of Kab Ashraf.

* The killing of Ibn Sunayna.

* Attack against the Banu Nadir Jews.

* The killing of the Shepherd.

* Massacre of the Qurayza Jews.

* The torture killing of Kinana.

* The killing of a slave Wife and Mother.

* The slaying of an old woman from Fazara.

* The killing of Abdullah Khatal and his Daughter.

* The attack upon Tabuk.

End each ad with a reference to Islamic scripture and other Moslem sources that corroborate the scene, and an invitation to go to the website to educate yourself about Islam.

E) Attempt to place the spots as commericials on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, and Fox. When the networks decline the ads as too controversial, have Alan Dershowitz file a lawsuit asking for billions in damages, with the proviso that the damages will be used by a foundation to assist recently fallen Infidels in south Thai, south Phillipines, north Kenya, west Ossetia, and so on.

F) Have a terminally ill but articulate person with nothing to lose to become the front man for the TV ad/lawsuit effort.

G) When he's murdered by a humiliated Moslem activist, trot out another spokesperson in the same situation. Repeat as necessary. The publicity would skyrocket with each new slaying.

H) As the lawsuit stalls, advertise cheap 15-second commercials all over inviting people to the website to sign up for a free DVD containing all 13 spots.

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

The world is on thin ice. Billions of Infidels are skating just above the Koran and the Sunnah and the upturned faces of Spencer and Fitzgerald and others trying to get the message out before it's too late.

The TV spots, lawsuit, ensuing publicity, and website would change world history. People don't read books; but they watch TV.

What would happen to public opinion after watching a TV projecting the images of Mohammed slipping between the sheets with his 6-yr old wife, beheading Jewish fathers and adolescent sons before weeping wives, sisters, and small sons. Skewering Asma Marwan as she suckled a babe. The selling of kidnap victims as sex slaves.

Images like that. Truthful images hidden just beneath those two inches of ice.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 17, 2007 8:51 PM

Bush has reauthorized the program every 45 days, and the current authorization is mid-cycle, a senior Justice Department official said.

Well, if President Bush has determined not to reauthorize the program at mid-cycle - what's to stop him from re-authorizing it when deemed appropriate?

Keep 'em guessing.

Posted by: justamomof4 at January 17, 2007 8:58 PM

Alarmed Pig Farmer -

SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN . . .WHERE DO WE SIGN UP?

Posted by: justamomof4 at January 17, 2007 9:02 PM

Got $50 million? I could muster a cast and arrange to shoot the spots secretly.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 17, 2007 9:15 PM

No more surveillance. No profiling. No more screening of Muslims at airports. Borders wide open. It must be 1999 all over again. Or did we win "the war on terror" and somebody forgot to tell us?

I earlier called for Jimmy Carter to undergo exams to see what's wrong with his head. Bush needs to go in right after him because something is shrinking his brain at an alarming rate.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 17, 2007 9:41 PM

I think the real problem we are facing besides the idiots in the democratic party sticking PC lunacy in our faces at the worst time on earth for it is that the US Constitution does NOT provide us with a real means of dealing with jihadist infiltration on our country and witht hte long term struggle against Islam's campaign to obliterate us. And many, many politicians on both the right AND left either do not see this or else are in denial about this.

Americans cannot look to the Constitution in dealing with this. So we have a double challenge: emerging victorious from the jihad war being lobbed at us by the Middle East AND salvaging our constitution in the process.

Neither is going to be easy. But may the REAL God---

Deliver us from Islam!!!

...and THAT will make it all worthwhile.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 17, 2007 10:05 PM

... the US Constitution does NOT provide us with a real means of dealing with jihadist infiltration on our country and witht hte long term struggle against Islam's campaign to obliterate us.

Yes it does. Article III, Section 2. Never been used, though.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 17, 2007 10:28 PM

The Administration no longer needs the "program".
The Court has no reason to deny the President the ability to track the enemy. Considering the Goverment has retrieved thousands and thousands of phone numbers from captured Cel phones and computers. It would be Criminal not to track those calls. The Demoncrats know that but what the heak. Lets beat up the President cause it makes him look bad.

The Islamists have moved to the internet. So guess what the next Court Battle will be over.

What a mix that is. Preaching death and destruction while watching Porn. Is it really a Sin or just prepping for Heaven?

The enemy is being forced to use snail mail. Guess the postal service will need to read Arabic.
Just another way for CAIR to care.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 17, 2007 10:41 PM

For those of you who do not value checks and balances in our government: I will be laughing when the next president(democrat) will abuse his/her power and you will all be screaming bloody murder cause he isn't enacting policies you agree with.

Posted by: Skeptic at January 17, 2007 10:43 PM

skeptic: we will be "screaming bloody murder" because the Demos will be vastly increasing the likelihood of our people getting murdered by Islam on US territory. Nancy Pelosi's CAIR-friendly push to block profiling of Muslims at US airports was a tip-off. Can you imagine what an opportunity for terrorists to kill on US this would be if this was actually done?????

I have no idea what you are so "skeptical" about. When one reviews the historical accounts over the past 13 centuries of the Balkan Peninsula, Greece, Asia Minor, Egypt, the Indian subcontinent and other regions that fell to the sword of the "prophet" it immediately becomes CLEAR that Islam has slaughtered human lives on a scale unmatched by any other organized force in history (even the Communists have a hard tome matching Islam). You seem to think that this is a joke or somthing. Islam teaches first-degree MURDER, pal!!!

Muslims were allowed to migrate in to America. And they have brought jihad warfare with them. This indicates thatthe US system of checks and balances has already been on the scrap heap of history for quite some time now. Otherwise they wld have never been permitted to come here. Murder, which Islam teaches as we mentioned earlier, is or was a capital crime in this country.

Posted by: pythagoras at January 17, 2007 11:09 PM

Alarmed Pig farmer:

If this Constitutional Article III was so helpful in combating Islamic invaders on US soil, why did you not mention it until now.

I have a feeling this article still won't be nearly sufficient to resolve this crisis. If it was, there would have been motions made to implement it before now. I doubt the Founding Fathers could have foreseen the threats we now face with, say, dirty bombs or hard nukes going off in mega-cities, or mega-corporations openly giving millions to organizations like CAIR which aim to destroy the US and its Constitution. Or entire universities that have been subverted by foreign nations that are enemy states (like Saudi Arabia).

Posted by: pythagoras at January 17, 2007 11:19 PM

This is what comes of the nonsense in Iraq. Weakened, Bush throws to the wolves the very things that should be preserved, in order to save or buy time for a policy, in Iraq, that makes no sense, is directed at a goal that is the opposite of what he should be wishing to obtain.

Posted by: Hugh at January 17, 2007 11:32 PM

Don’t worry MeanieMo, consider yourself a patriot behind enemy lines, I do. If in the future you need to get out, drop me a post, I will do what I can unless they get me first.
Posted by: tgusa

Hey Thanks, TG. Good to know I have another friend in Florida. I lived there for about three years so I know my way around. Shame to hear about all the mosks and imams especially at FAU and in Tampa. :-(

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 18, 2007 12:01 AM

This is what comes of the nonsense in Iraq. Weakened, Bush throws to the wolves the very things that should be preserved, in order to save or buy time for a policy, in Iraq, that makes no sense, is directed at a goal that is the opposite of what he should be wishing to obtain.
Posted by: Hugh

He stays in Iraq at the behest of his SOWdi paymasters. There is truly no reason to stay there. islam and democracy are like oil and water.

let's face it, democracy is hard enough for US to handle.. how do you expect a bunch of raggedy-men to handle it?

On the other hand.. Bush may be weakened.. but is he really too weak to sign an autograph?

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 18, 2007 12:09 AM

What?

You mean, Bush will now be forced to act according to the rule of law??

Won't that seriously impede his ability to defend the core values of Western Civilization?

(Hyuk, hyuk).

Posted by: Card-carrying Buddhist at January 18, 2007 12:09 AM

Well, MeanieMo, you must admit that at least Bush has been successful in his ongoing War On Democracy, here at home, has he not?

Posted by: Card-carrying Buddhist at January 18, 2007 12:11 AM

From the article

The program, adopted after the September 11 attacks, allowed the government to eavesdrop on the international phone calls and e-mails of U.S. citizens without a warrant

Aww c'mon now, nobody ever said there cannot be eavesdropping. This is about the ability of the President to eavesdrop with no oversight. This is about the balance of power between the Executive Branch (the President) and the Legislative Branch (Congress). The President is claiming the power to decide, on his own with no oversight by anyone, who he can decide to spy on. Conservatives are supposed to be against a central government with unlimited powers.

Patrick Leahy said today

As I pointed out for some time, and as other senators on both sides of the aisle pointed out, that was, at the very best, of doubtful legality. Surveillance is needed to prevent terrorist attacks but we can and we should do it in ways that protect the basic rights of all Americans.

I don't buy the argument that we need to turn the U.S. into a police-state to protect ourselves from terrorists. Our Founding Fathers didn't turn to fascism when they faced Islamic violence. We don't need to give a bunch of new unlimited power to the government, when they are not even using the power they already have to face the jihad. They don't need a new unregulated and unlimited power, they just need to stop telling us that Islam is the Religion of Peace, they need to stop naming those calling for our destruction our "staunch allies". They need to be honest with us.

The FISA court was set up to monitor and oversee domestic wiretapping. It doesn't mean the end of the nation if the President has to talk things over with a few more people before spying on its own citizens. FISA has approved 18,761 out of 18,765 requests. They don't have any love for the jihadists.

We shouldn't be spying on the people who are trying to attack our country, we should be deporting them (or not letting them in in the first place). (And no, we don't need to spy on them to know that Islam has a problem with anti-infidel violence. We can get that from the nightly news).

Posted by: special_guest at January 18, 2007 1:03 AM

Clicking on the AOL poll, Obama is leading Hillary by sixteen points. Political contests today are becoming the equivalent of the cola wars. To see how dumbed down we have become in 150 years, read the text of the 1858 Lincoln-Douglas debate in Ottawa. I just did and some of it stunned me. Lincoln couldn’t be elected as dog-catcher in 2007. But he’d do a lot more than eavesdrop on Muslims.

http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.2181:2.lincoln

APF; like your plan.

Posted by: pez at January 18, 2007 1:11 AM

" Bush won't reauthorize domestic surveillance program "

Five years of NO Terror attacks on American soil will have this effect. the time WILL come when Americans and Westerners will DEMAND it, for their safety and security.

Posted by: Concerned Canadian at January 18, 2007 1:50 AM

I don't know if this quote is apt for this situation.

Full Text

A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means. -- Thomas Jefferson to John Colvin, 1810

Posted by: Webler at January 18, 2007 4:33 AM

Another feather in the cap of Pelosi and company:

"President Bush has decided not to renew a program of domestic spying on terrorism suspects, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said on Wednesday, ending an law-enforcement tactic criticized for infringing on civil liberties."

And just who has been critizing a valiant effort to locate the terrorists who will attack America? ....The Dhimmicrats and the MSM...

Bush has appeased them and Americans will die because the enemy could not be found in time....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 18, 2007 6:28 AM

Wake up and smell the coffee.
The real story here is that they are not stoppping survielance. They are simply going to do it through the FISA warrant program.

A secret panel of Federal judges will issue warrants to do the evesdropping. Supposedly they can do this really quickly. Just as soon as they get off the phone with CAIR, et all.

Remember the Michigan Judge who ruled that what they were doing was illegal last summer?

Posted by: auntbea at January 18, 2007 8:05 AM

Clicking on the AOL poll, Obama is leading Hillary by sixteen points Posted by: pez

OT I read yeasterday that Obama was born a muslim.
In muslim eyes that makes him still one. He attended an Islamic school in Indonesia. Why is there no Fatwaw against him for aposty (sp?)?

Am I the only person who when I see him on TV that hears the song by the Rolling Stones 'Nature Of My Game" being played loudly in my head?

Can't you guess my name,,,woo woo

Posted by: auntbea at January 18, 2007 8:15 AM

auntbea said:

"the song by the Rolling Stones 'Nature Of My Game" being played loudly in my head?"

I thought that the title of that song was "Sympathy for the Devil."

Anyway, can there be any doubt that the constant dissimination about this being a spy program to be used against American citizens, that it is unprecedented (when Bill Clinton ordered the same measures during his administration), and that there was a motive involved, other than wanting to keep the nation secure from jihadi scum is the reason why he has given up on it? After so many years of listening to the constant harping from the media and democrats in Washington, it's bound to wear anyone down.

And let's not conclude that Bush and his admininstration hasn't tried to communicate clearly about what this surveillance program is about. They've done that more times than I can count. What it means to democrats is that they've won a political round with the "evil, fascist republicans," and have scored points with their rabid constituents." What it means to the country is that we've lost another measure of security, and we are less safe.

Posted by: yohannbiimu at January 18, 2007 8:56 AM

"GOD IS ALSO WATCHING"

All the more reason to avoid killing in God's name. To do so is really the equivalent to ones own suicide. All men are brothers. Differences are only ideological.

Posted by: kafir world at January 18, 2007 10:44 AM

Sorry about the song title. You're right.

Posted by: auntbea at January 18, 2007 11:20 AM

Alarmed Pig Farmer,
That is a grand plan, can you imagine the fits it would cause the islamocrats? I think they already got wind of it, they are trying to destroy the underpinnings of our constitution by silencing exactly what you propose. In their world you would also have to have a counter view of everything you show. Yes, the islamists have a lot in common with the crats, for now. They figure they can knock them off after they knock us off. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that jazz. Temporarily of course.

Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 11:45 AM

special_guest:

The only way we can identify and intercept the people plotting to destroy our nation is to employ the practice of spying. In many cases there is no record at all of these people being in our country. We also do not know the identities of all the jihadists on our soil, to say the least (there could be more than 600,000 jiadhists in the US and I assure you they do not all appear on government no-fly lists--the government doesn't even know all 600,000 or so of their names let alone their identities). Spying will help us identify who they are and intercept them before they hatch their deadly plots.

That does NOT mean the US is being turned into a police state as you have stated. As you see,

Domestic espionage was heavily (and successfully)practiced during WW2 and the US constitution and human rights record remained in tact despite it all.

But I maintain that for us to be able to identify islamic jihadists bent on causing havoc using wmds this is a necessary evil.

Loss of privacy is a small price to pay stay live and free (I have so far, despite a few inconveniences at the airports).

Posted by: pythagoras at January 18, 2007 4:09 PM