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Abu Usamah is from New Jersey and preached at the Islamic Center of Peoria. Did anyone there agree with him? What are those who heard him doing now? Does anyone know? Does anyone care? No worries: his teachings there were "moderate."
A report by George Kindel for FoxNews, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
NEW YORK — A New Jersey-born Muslim cleric with links to a suspected Al Qaeda operative who surfaced at a college not far from the cleric's Peoria, Ill., mosque the day before the Sept. 11 attacks has found a new home.The imam now is spewing his message of hate to a growing group of followers at a mosque in Birmingham, England.
His target: the United States, the United Kingdom, Christians and Jews.
Abu Usamah at-Thahabi, who preached at the Islamic Center of Peoria in 2001, is the subject of a British news documentary that revealed Monday how he regularly exhorts worshippers at the Green Lane Masjid, or mosque, in Birmingham to hate Westerners, whom he calls "pathological liars" and "kuffar," a derogatory term for non-Muslims.
Click here to view the British news documentary.
Abu Usamah also calls for the public crucifixion of all "kuffar" and says they should be "left there to bleed to death for three days."
Crucifixion of those who cause fitnah, or trouble in the land, is in accord with Qur'an 5:33: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom."
Abu Usamah, who was born in New Jersey and is 42 or 43 years old, was the imam in Peoria when federal agents swooped down in December 2001 and arrested Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a Qatari student at Bradley University, on charges that he used false documents to open bank accounts and was in possession of a telephone credit card used to call a number in Dubai that federal agents said was linked to reputed Al Qaeda financier and Sept. 11 organizer Mustafa al-Hawsawi.Sources tell FOX News that Abu Usamah is a mysterious character — no one, including federal agents and fellow imams, seems to know what his name was prior to his conversion to Islam.
But sources in Peoria say that though his public teachings there were moderate, he occasionally stepped over the line into anti-Semitic rhetoric.
Just prior to the invasion of Iraq in 2003, he called President Bush a "pathological liar" and constantly argued to his followers that "Jews controlled the media."...
Abu Usamah, in the days immediately after Sept. 11, asked Peoria residents not to judge the Muslim community by the actions of the terrorists who carried out the attack and thanked the local Christian community for its support.
"More faiths, different groups reached out to us," he told the Peoria Journal Star newspaper a year after the attacks.
He went on to thank "those open-minded people who judge everyone individually."
The New Jersey-born imam, who claims to have studied a strict version of Islam at the Islamic University of Medina in Saudi Arabia, has since changed his tune.
"Lying is part of their religion," Abu Usamah is heard telling his followers in the special report produced by the British news show "Dispatches" on Channel 4.
"They do whatever they want to do. They are liars, they are terrorists themselves. They are lying, you can't believe them.
"They are pathological liars," he rants.
Ironic in light of, for example, Ibn Kathir's commentary on Qur'an 3:28: "...'unless you indeed fear a danger from them' meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, 'The Tuqyah [taqiyyah] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'"
He also is heard ticking off an enemies list that includes mainstream British culture."America, the U.K., Germany and France, they have come against the religion of Islam," he declares.
"Popular culture … if you're a person who gives yourself to that, your mind is going to be controlled by the so-called powers to be, who make these manmade laws."
The mosque's official Web site says its purpose is to counter Muslim stereotyping, but the Channel 4 report found there is a secret chat room area of the site that only mosque members know about, where At-Thahabi's lectures are broadcast.
It is in this chat room, the report says, that Abu Usamah preaches the creation of a "total Islamic state" that advocates harsh punishments for non-believers.
"Whoever changes his religion from Islam," he declares, "kill him, in the Islamic state."
This is a quote from Muhammad, who said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him" (من بدل دينه فاقتلوه).
Posted by Robert at January 18, 2007 3:08 PM
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"They are pathological liars," he rants.
He's projecting. (The deception that is permitted in Islam is its most loathsome feature.) This clown belongs in a mental hospital. He should be put in a straight jacket and hospitalized.
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at January 18, 2007 3:33 PM
There's not just him, there are quite a few black American muslims like him here in the UK.
Strange though, on that documentary, they all sound like Baptist ministers from the American deep south!
But when you listen a bit more carefully, the messages are quite the opposite. Hate and kill as opposed to love and cherish!
Hmm!
Posted by: Hermit at January 18, 2007 3:42 PM
I want to thank JW for the disclaimer, “American born” there is a difference between American and American born. I sometimes wonder, have we been too kind by allowing just about anyone to live here in America in spite of what they think about it?
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 3:42 PM
"Popular culture … if you're a person who gives yourself to that, your mind is going to be controlled by the so-called powers to be, who make these manmade laws."
Looks like Abu Usamah and Dinesh D'Souza should do lunch. Perhaps they could hammer out a bridge-building inter-faith way to save the West from its immorality.
at January 18, 2007 3:42 PM
This moron's (and Islam's) vision for humanity's future is now showing on the wide screen for all to see. It is titled "CHILDREN of MEN."
Frank: we disagree with you about Islam's "most loathesome feature."
Islam's most loathesome feature to us is that it teaches AND institutionalizes first-degree murder on a virtually unlimited scale.
At least a lie in and of itself won't prove lethal.
Posted by: pythagoras at January 18, 2007 3:44 PM
Yes, first degree murder perpetrated on our most vulnerable always pisses me off. So, what is to be said of those whom have imported this monstrous ideology into our haven of freedom? Don’t answer that, you might get in to hot water for… well, Racism, Nazism, Islamophobeism, any number of isms. I watched a movie recently with one of my favorite actors, ya’ll probably never heard of him because he is such a great pro American actor, Lionel Barrymore. He says, roughly, if you have a problem, go out and get yourself an ism, that is what all the malcontents are doing nowadays,
The movie? “You cant take it with you”. 1938 no less, rent or buy it, you wont be sorry.
http://www.tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=4336
at January 18, 2007 4:00 PM
tgusa - I agree 100%. Same dodge with "British", "French", "German" jihadists. As another poster pointed out a while back - a cat who moves into a dog house is not a dog.
Posted by: MP at January 18, 2007 4:23 PM
i cant see the problem and what all the fuss is about. I totally inline with Quaranic teaching.
Posted by: gingerbeer at January 18, 2007 4:31 PM
'Abu Usamah also calls for the public crucifixion of all "kuffar" and says they should be "left there to bleed to death for three days."
'Crucifixion of those who cause fitnah, or trouble in the land, is in accord with Qur'an 5:33:'
It may well be in accord with Qur'an but crucifixion is, as far as I am aware, illegal in the United Kingdom.
The Qur'an may be viewed by Muslims as the immutable word of Allah and all that jazz, and while many people might warm to the idea of crucifying those whom they to be unsavoury (e.g. people like 'Abu Usamah'), there are laws against that sort of thing. One would assume that this pea-brained fool would be aware of that.
Anyhoo, this sounds like a pretty nailed-on case of incitement to murder. I hope the police and Crown Prosecution Service nail this vile little bigot.
Posted by: A Nonny Nonny at January 18, 2007 4:37 PM
I want to thank JW for the disclaimer, “American born” there is a difference between American and American born. I sometimes wonder, have we been too kind by allowing just about anyone to live here in America in spite of what they think about it?
Posted by: tgusa
The Americans are the American Indians, the descendants of the Mongolians who cross the isthmus through Alaska, Canada, then rest permanently between Canada and Mexico. Yes, American Indians are very kind people; that is why they get to stay in the reservation, while the foreign born gets the larger plot of the land, which is another reason there is a Thanksgiving at your home every year, so that you can get ready for the Black Friday, to shop till you drop dead. Now, we, the foreign born are taking turn to be kind to the descendants of Mohammed; we say, “Welcome in! Help yourself to anything you want. In protest of the British, we don’t drink tea here, but would like to have a cup of coffee, or if you prefer a camel, we have that too” –Oh, you--dirty mind--I mean the cigarette.
Posted by: ssa at January 18, 2007 4:43 PM
TGUSA sez: "The movie? “You cant take it with you”. 1938 no less, rent or buy it, you wont be sorry."
1938. Relevant. Telling.
Western World, Wake the F#%* Up. IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN.
at January 18, 2007 4:45 PM
So the video's were pulled, already? Incredible!
Did anybody save it so we can host it ourselves or get it on DVD so we can distribute it?
How did our 'free' society maneuver itself into such a mess?
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 18, 2007 4:50 PM
Really?
Then where did the White guy they discovered under the 12000 year old ice in North America come from? Yeah, we explored the world 1000’s of years before you decided to make up an ideology. So you are mad, I don’t blame you. If I came from a group that was that stupid I would be angry as well.
http://www.mummytombs.com/mummylocator/featured/naiceman.discovery.htm
I always knew you were a stinking islamist.
BTW…I can read and comprehend as well, so don’t come here unless you have your stuff in one sock!
at January 18, 2007 4:56 PM
Yep, another video -- this time of Abu responding to the firestorm he's caught in. And hosted by yours truly:
New Jersey-born Abu Usamah responds to video footage
Posted by: Foehammer at January 18, 2007 4:57 PM
England, btw, has entirely ignored this scandal.
Or deliberately stirred away from it: TV channels in England since yesterday focussed on almost nothing other than this fakey 'racism' claim from the 'big brother' show, which I commented on here:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/01/17/england-obsessed-with-bs/
Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 18, 2007 4:58 PM
I'm all out of tolerance for these vicious little men and their dreams of world domination.
They won't be content with joining the civilized world and contributing to the welfare of all mankind. No, they must subjugate the entire planet to the misogynistic ideology.
Posted by: BurkasforHitlery at January 18, 2007 5:09 PM
Listen to them the 6.5 year old immigrants, ranting about change, what change? More like which islamic country? No, they have, and always have known that they will meet their match and then some with us Americans. They are the ones on the run, and we haven’t yet decided to pursue them at full speed. The Bible says that the world will conflagrate at some time. Some wonder why America is not mentioned… I contend that America is Gods secret weapon! But in the end we will, as Jesus says, have mercy on them all. Unlike and very much contrary to the enemy we face.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 5:21 PM
thanks for the link to the whole documentary, i am watching it now.
the guy who filmed this is an extremely brave man who deserves our respect and thanks.
at January 18, 2007 5:25 PM
Tgusa,
You are using James M. Deem as your source; unfortunately, he is a childrens book writer with no reputation in the scientic world.
I sure believe you come from a super race, who bred Jimmy Carter and Nancy Pelosi.
Well, old man, though you don't strike me as brighter than Jimmuh; I still love you.
I care very much about your race, and I definitely love your race, especially if they love Jews and the God of Isreal.
Brother, you said you tried very hard to like me, which I realy appreciate very much, but in case if you still hate me, I still can love you for your lunacy. Well, no offense; for the love of Jesus, I want to lighten you heart.
What do you say old man?
Posted by: ssa at January 18, 2007 5:34 PM
"Islam's most loathesome feature to us is that it teaches AND institutionalizes first-degree murder on a virtually unlimited scale".
"At least a lie in and of itself won't prove lethal".-pythagoras
I see your point py, but I think the deception is the root of Islamic violence. War is deception. Deception is war.
Physical violence is not far behind with a Muslim person who dehumanizes others so that deception is permitted re the non-Muslim. CAIR (e.g.) practices the violence of deception. CAIR is more loathsome than the openly violent Jihadist because of their cowardly deception-hypocrisy, the saying of one thing in public and another thing in private, etc. Muslim hypocrisy is the foundation of Muslim violence.
I will stick with my judgement. The permissions to deception are the most loathsome aspect of Islam.
at January 18, 2007 5:35 PM
Anyone notice that since these imams have been caught out spewing hate....muslims claim that they do not represent the muslim community?
I only have ONE question!
WHY didn't any of those 'so-called' 'moderate' muslims report the Imams when the speeches were made?
Their excuses sound like a load of crap to me.
Posted by: The Goobs at January 18, 2007 5:36 PM
How old do you think I am? C'mon surely you can do better than try to hurt my feelings? How old must you be to discharge a 12 guage magnum slug from a gas operated shotgun into an assailant? Ok, diaper boy what do I have to fear from you? Are you good with a knife? I grew up hunting rattlesnakes, Diamondbacks, really fat, really big nasty snakes. The trick is getting really close, too close for comfort. But alas, we all must do what we must do to clear our area of snakes.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 5:45 PM
Some wonder why America is not mentioned… I contend that America is Gods secret weapon! But in the end we will, as Jesus says, have mercy on them all. Unlike and very much contrary to the enemy we face.--Posted by tgusa
Well, America is not mentioned because God fore-seen that it be turned to Ameri-bia as compared to the Eurabia. When that happens, Ameri-bia will go against the Jews and Christians all over the world. As the bible says, "There will be no Christians left by then, and only 144,000 jews will be spared."
God has fore-seen that the Qur'an will says, "When that day comes, Muslims will be everywhere; even the tree will say, 'there is Jew hiding behind me; come kill him." Check this out: it's in the Hamas organizational handbook.
Posted by: ssa at January 18, 2007 5:45 PM
Bla,bla,bla; who cares what a psychopathic liar has to say; all of Islam is a lie ! Virgins after death; who needs sex in heaven, you get enough of it here ? I'd rather eat pork then to spend one day with Islam !
Posted by: Jeff at January 18, 2007 5:47 PM
"WHY didn't any of those 'so-called' 'moderate' muslims report the Imams when the speeches were made"?-Goobs
Because deception is war. It's all one piece: the deception and the open violence are one. Of the two, I find the hypocrisy-deception (CAIR, e.g.)more loathsome than the open violence. The violence of Islam will not end until the Muslim deception ends. It is the hypocrite Muslim, the Muslim Pharisee, the passive jihadist, who is the real evil one.
Posted by: Frank at January 18, 2007 5:48 PM
Frank said: "WHY didn't any of those 'so-called' 'moderate' muslims report the Imams when the speeches were made?"
I'm not sure there is such a thing as a "moderate" muslim, but if there were, I'm sure they'd know enough to keep quiet lest they be declared an apostate and murdered.
Posted by: walterc at January 18, 2007 5:55 PM
Pathetic and predictable , here we go...
Muslim preacher defends TV commentsJan 18 2007
By Jasbir Authi, Birmingham Mail
THE hardline preacher at the centre of an explosive TV documentary into extremist lectures delivered at a Birmingham Mosque today insisted: "I have nothing to hide."
Blah , Blah , Blah...
But today he described the Channel 4 Dispatches programme as "a poor attempt at fair journalism because every one of my statements were taken out of context - without any explanation."
Blah , Blah , Blah...
He was filmed saying: "If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered, that's my freedom of speech, isn't it?"
However Abu Usamah AtThahabi claimed the programme makers had cut the sentences he said before and after this comment in which he said it was not correct.
Blah , Blah , Blah...
The cleric then went on to say that his comments that Muslims shouldn't be happy living in anything other than an Islamic state, were again taken out of context
Blah , Blah , Blah...
Abu Usamah At-Thahabi said: "Kuffaar is a generic term, it is not a derogatory term and my comments were taken out of context.
Blah , Blah , Blah...
"Let the authorities get involved in the investigation and get to the bottom of this matter in which I was quoted out of context," he said.
Four times he was taken "out of context" , has anyone got a code book to decipher what these
medieval cretins are really saying.
at January 18, 2007 5:59 PM
Good grieve, tgusa,
Well, I am sorry to hurt your feelings, but didn't you say that you can turn it on and off, and that you said, "It was never turned on?"
You taught me to admid my mistakes; well preacher, are you showing me a good example?
Posted by: ssa at January 18, 2007 6:06 PM
Well, lets review---- crucifixion, slowly bleeding to death, chop a hand and foot off.
Hmmmmmm, well, im VERY sure they will do this in a VERY respectful, religious, and VERY, VERY, VEERRRRRY peaceful way!!!
at January 18, 2007 6:07 PM
tgusa --
I'm stunned by your comment, and it isn't spelled joo's -- meathead -- but J E W S.
If you call yourself a Christian, then you must know Jesus as your Savior -- right? Jesus was a Jew, so what are you thinking by saying that!
I would really like an apology.
Posted by: champ at January 18, 2007 6:11 PM
I’m no preacher bonehead,
I follow the one true God… so there.
In the past I found you amusing, now you are tiresome. So don't look for me to chat with your islamist *** unless it is to my benefit.
at January 18, 2007 6:11 PM
walterc-
I didn't say that. I was quoting Goobs. However, i do not think you are deceptive in this, just human. I f-up sometimes too.
Deliberate deception-hypocrisy by Muslims is the foundation of all Muslim violence. I am beginning to realize that Jesus was right about hypocrisy-deception. It's the Pharisees that are the root of the violence.
Posted by: Frank at January 18, 2007 6:12 PM
ssa --
tgusa couldn't POSSIBLY be a preacher -- or were you just kidding?
Posted by: champ at January 18, 2007 6:14 PM
That was sarcasm directed at the enemy goobs. Don’t you know me better than that?
Never apologise, it is a sign of weakness...John Wayne.
at January 18, 2007 6:15 PM
Sorry champ I mistook you for the goobs. Goobs. my apologies. This fellow has me irritated.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 6:22 PM
If ole Abu is deported by the British, guess where he will wind up. Back here in the USA. The British let him in; they can keep him.
Fortunately, for us, the Brits seem to like these little feep shuckers.
Posted by: Pelayo at January 18, 2007 6:33 PM
QUOTE from muslim text (article):
'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'
Turns out that Byzantine Emperor who Pope Benedict quoted was right after all who would have thunk' it?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
These psychotics are running around in the world while the West sleeps saying 'problem what problem?'
The useful idiots of the Islamic western supporters and the Islamists hatemongers themselves are heads of the same animal. The Nazis were animals like these. Except the Nazis forced many of their countrymen to be 'nazis' while these animals are happily evil in keeping with their disgusting "religion" (and I use the term loosely).
Keep the pressure up I say --keep exposing them. Even the smell of dung is banished when the exposed to the light of the noonday sun.
ISLAM = NAZISM
Posted by: THE ALLIES SHALL WIN
at January 18, 2007 6:36 PM
I am glad this retarded piece of muslim slime is no longer in our country and I sincerely hope our government never allows him to return. Just remember though my fellow Americans, there are hundreds of thousands exactly like him in the hell houses called "mosques" all across America. Until the last muslim is forced out, always be on your guard against them. Every single one of them must be regarded as an enemy because of what they believe. Never trust them and never turn your back on them.
Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 18, 2007 6:38 PM
It seems so bizarre to me, that a black Muslim can be of a "religion" that practices chattel slavery to this day.
And speaking of lying: how about the Islamic practice of al-takeyya - Koran sanctioned lying to and deceiving of non-believers and those considered apostate. So when Keith Ellison, for example, swears his Congressioanl oath on a Koran - that oath is meaningless!
Posted by: vorsensrak at January 18, 2007 6:43 PM
SSA? Surely you will not renounce the teachings of your book? Speak up, or I will consider you an apostate.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 6:50 PM
It seems so bizarre to me, that a black Muslim can be of a "religion" that practices chattel slavery to this day.
Posted by: vorsensrak at January 18, 2007 06:43 PM
I know. For reasons which defy logic and understanding, blacks today seem to be in a mass Stockholm syndrome of some kind.
at January 18, 2007 6:52 PM
But sources in Peoria say that though his public teachings there were moderate, he occasionally stepped over the line into anti-Semitic rhetoric.
This reporter's flight-of-fancy is typical of what I've been saying about how the Islam Fictive Reality operates.
How in the world could Imam Abu's teachings in Peoria have been moderate when he was preaching from the Koran and Sunnah, both of which call repeatedly in no uncertain terms that Jews are to be despised, hated, reviled, and if possible murdered? How?
Oh, I see, Imam Abu preached as follows, "When Umayr the Companion skewered the Jewess Asma Marwan as she suckled her babe, Mohammed, who ordered the murder, set a great example for all Moslems to revere and follow. But, when you as an observant Moslem murder a Jew, you must speak to kindly him and also be reasonable to any Jews who witness the murder. By showing respect in this way, your Jew murder will be a moderate event that everybody can respect, especially the rat Jew bastard pigs who witness the Jew murder and run for their lives like mangey dogs."
Is that what Imam Abu preached in the Perioa mosque?
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 18, 2007 6:56 PM
Ok, now I’m mad. As a matter of fact I’m sueing! I am not getting the fair representation I deserve. This muslim is deliberately excluding me from a chance at paradise, that is not fair and I demand my rights as an American.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 7:04 PM
That’s right sir.
And my personal favorite… Judge not lest ye shall be judged! Beware, those that attempt to be Gods themselves. The wrath of God shall destroy you.
at January 18, 2007 7:22 PM
“You taught me to admid my mistakes; well preacher, are you showing me a good example”?
I am so sorry, you can join with me if you are true anytime. I don’t care what your color or nationality is, as long as you don’t believe I am a preacher or a guvment spokesmouth. I am my own person now and always. Join me ssa and we can defeat anyone, anywhere, anyplace.
at January 18, 2007 7:37 PM
My amazement is seeing the comments by some British Muslims who want to kill the messenger.
The fact that this beast was allowed to spread his supremist, Islamic hatred in so called "moderate" religious settings seems to be saying that they know nothing of the religion they share with this demon. He does nothing more than amplify the texts of the Koran and the example set forth by Mohammed. Many of Muslims who commented on the C4 presentation bear the view that "this was such a bad depiction of Islam by the Kuffars that I can't wait until Islam takes over the world." With one tongue they deny they are in the same flock yet in another tongue they are flapping their wings with this bigot wishing for the same thing he wishes.
at January 18, 2007 7:39 PM
MEMO to SSA:
The "native Americans" actually came from Siberia to North America. They crossed the Bering Strait at the end of the ice Age when a land bridge existed linking the continents of Asia and North America.
"NATIVE AMERICAN" is a misnomer. The so-called "native Americans" were NOT native to this continent!!! They were Asiatics!!!
Amd by the way, many of these Siberian ("native American") tribespeople were practicing CANNIBALS...they ate human flesh (like some of the Muslims who have been seen eating the entrails of Jews at Palestinian "car swarms" of which I have seen film footage of). And they had no problems raiding each other's territories (and stealing them), massacring each other, torturing each other, raping each other's women, and enslaving each other. The native Americans practiced slavery apparently as an ongoing tradition for thousands of years.
So if their traibes are mostly gone, no loss.
Most of us WOULD rather shop til we drop or whatever is currently the rage. It beats tomahawks...
Human life actually means something in modern America. If you only knew how rare and fortunate an occurrence that really was...
Posted by: pythagoras at January 18, 2007 7:54 PM
Well? What do you say SSA?
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 7:55 PM
Memo to Frank from py: Not so!!
Islam's institutionalized practice of murder is derived from ancient Babylonian human sacrifice practices which are the actual source of Islamic religious theology and ideology( NOT Muhammad)---the Muslims and the Babylonians both worshiped the moon-god of the Mesopotamian region;the Muslims call the moon-god 'al-lah' along with 99 other names, the Mesopotamians called the moon-god "Marduk" or "Baal").
The deception "religiously" practiced by Muslims is a cover-up; they lie to hide their religion's homicidal propensities. They plain don't want you to know what they're up to. If you did, you'd stop them!
Posted by: pythagoras at January 18, 2007 8:02 PM
Hey Pythagoras,
I am working this guy, so give me a break! He is close to joining us. Now that he has seen the truth.
at January 18, 2007 8:03 PM
Several months ago, I saw an American-born Iman (whose name I can't recall) on one of BBC World's
appalling Doha Debates hosted by Tim Sebastian. This clerical clown clearly had some very large chips on his shoulder, and recieved uproarious applause for denouncing the United States in front of the mainly Arab audience ("Americans are the biggest terrorists, responsible for this and that problem in the Middle East, blah, blah, blah".) I wonder if this was the same American iman?
It is indeed an ill bird that fouls his own nest.
at January 18, 2007 8:07 PM
Yes I know they are mostly full of **** but there is the occasional man among women that will stand with us.
Posted by: tgusa at January 18, 2007 8:11 PM
If we all know that Islam is a lie and is bad news, if we all do our best to inform our friends and relatives, maybe people will do more to stand up against it both politically and spiritually.
Although it is not politically correct to speak it....this clearly is a spiritual war. The muslim imams clearly believe this, although our politicians and some in the church continue to deny the truth.
Maybe the reason the identity and role of the US isn't clear in the NT is that Christians will already be removed - leaving behind the politically correct, the corrupt, the easily swayed, the murderers, the thiefs, the liars, the greedy, the barbaric, the selfish, the cruel, the immoral, those who think anything and everything is okay - so long as someone doesn't get hurt.....and the false religions.
The demons will really be partying at that point!
With the Christians gone, there would be nothing to persuade our beloved nation and false religions from siding with the rest of the secular, anti-Semitic, oil-loving world against Israel.
The only reason this hasn't happened yet is that the time is not yet.
Posted by: The Goobs at January 18, 2007 8:34 PM
Goobs,
You are so right. Yes, I am speechless after your commentary. For the first time in my life, I don’t know what to say…. You said it!
at January 18, 2007 9:07 PM
I saved the downloads and have it on CD now. Drop me a line here if you want it.
Posted by: payingattention at January 18, 2007 9:13 PM
Yes, American Indians are very kind people; that is why they get to stay in the reservation,
BS. People are people.
Some tribes were cannibals, nearly all raided other tribes and carried off slaves.
The idea that American Indians are somehow God-like is just romantic silliness. People are people.
If you had the chance to put people under your thumb, would you? Sure you would....the evil white man.
/retch
at January 18, 2007 9:24 PM
This loser is causing trouble in the land-give him what the Koran calls for as punishment for this infraction. Say yes to sharia-to be applied to Muslim riffraff that is. Then we'll see how how many of these "holies" will still demand sharia when they're finally held accountable for their despicable words and actions with their own "holy" book.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 18, 2007 9:25 PM
I went back to read and I see pythagoras beat me to it. :)
Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 18, 2007 9:26 PM
"The deception "religiously" practiced by Muslims is a cover-up; they lie to hide their religion's homicidal propensities".- pythagoras
That's true. If CAIR etc. would stop being Muslim-Pharisees then violent Jihad would loose its foundation. Islamic permissions to deception by such Pharisees sustain the violence.
Imagine Jesus or Buddha telling their followers its OK to lie to unbelievers. Imagine Jesus teaching that all his followers should be like the Pharisees, that his followers should deceive people in the name of God. It's laughable. However, the sad truth is that with Mohammad it's not a joke, it's reality. No universal golden rule for Muslims on this matter, only mandates to deception with Kaffirs.
We need a Borat character playing Mohammad, preaching truthfulness, plain speaking, no deception, non-violence. Borat can play Mohammad in Make Benefit Great Religion of Peace and Non-violence and Golden Rule. It would be hilarious to watch Mohammad condemn hypocrisy and violence.
Posted by: Frank at January 18, 2007 9:33 PM
When do you think Britain deports him...and guess where he lands...
Sort of like a bad version of plymouth rock and pilgrims.
Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 18, 2007 9:45 PM
Frank
"We need a Borat character playing Mohammad, preaching truthfulness, plain speaking, no deception, non-violence. Borat can play Mohammad in Make Benefit Great Religion of Peace and Non-violence and Golden Rule. It would be hilarious to watch Mohammad condemn hypocrisy and violence."
Hahahahaha..
Or remember Robin Hood: Men in Tights...
Muhammad: Lord of the Dance!
Dance numbers and all!
No matter the name it screams....Mel Brooks.
at January 18, 2007 9:52 PM
This is the third time i have tried to post so if it works....AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH.
I live in Peoria,il and had some comments on this particular subject but i am not going to type it all out for the third time.
Maybe i am being stopped from posting,no matter though.Most everyone in here should know the truth about islam by now.
I will save it for another day.
I will say though keep watching,listening and waiting.Vipers nests have been known to have vipers in them.
To the heroes of islam another day has passed,the clock has ticked and tocked.
the crusaders are aware.The difference between the crusaders of the past and the now is we know exactly what islam is.
May the "heroes" and "lions" find warmth and safety under thier womens skirts and bravery from behind thier childrens backs.
Standing in the light till the day of days.
Dar al-harb.From Peoria,il.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at January 18, 2007 10:03 PM
On the one hand you have channel four in the UK risking their lives going undercover to expose the hatred being preached in mosques while over here in the US you have NBC(I think ) going undercover at the car races to see if they could catch anyone being mean to muslims. Go figure.
Posted by: dms at January 18, 2007 10:07 PM
Welcome,
Dar al Harb from Peoria Il.
No you are not being blocked, and yes we know all about it. I don’t get you, are you pro or anti jihad?
at January 19, 2007 12:17 AM
Goobs, show me where in the Bible it talks about a pre-tribulation rapture, because as far as I know from reading it, Christians are not going anywhere when the troubles begin. They too will be here on earth enduring it until the good Lord comes. God loves us, but he purposely does not save us from trouble sometimes to build us up and to trust in Him.
Posted by: wrathofasma at January 19, 2007 1:31 AM
Hi Guys,
can we send this piece of crap back to the USA?
better still can we just send him straight to Guantanamo Bay for you, where he can hopefully stay and rot.
We had all better wise up to the truth about Islam. Or we WILL have to fight a real war against it one day. Hopefully we can start by nuking the main Islamic countries first, then we will have to root every single bastard one of them out of our own countries.
To prevent this wise up now, show them for what they are, murdering lying filth, Islam = Nazi. Wise up to the fact there is no such thing as a "peaceful moderate Muslim". They only claim to be this when it suits them. Did any of them report this man to the authorities? No, they happily listened to him, applauded him, and probably funded him. They only pretended to object when caught. Stop this religion of hate and evil now, call me a racist, call me whatever you want, I am a patriotic Englishman who wants this crap out of MY country for good.
Posted by: bob_bournemouth at January 19, 2007 10:49 AM
tgusa, I AM FOR JIHAD.....ON JIHAD!!!
I think we should pull out of the middle east and let the zombie fight the zombie and bomb the tar out of both of them for good measure.
If i have to hear the words "heroes","martyr","lions","freedom fighters" (hah nothing more laughable than slave masters saying that phrase) one more time im going to puke my socks off.
the words mentioned above are for real men.Real men do not ask thier children to be bred to kill themselves.They do not hide behind thier women.
Why should i have to even say anything,islam says it all itself.
The ignorance fountain of islam seems to never run dry.allah truly blessed the zombie horde,he blessed them with the ability not to think and not to care.
Anyone with the brains to follow islam is into it 8 feet deep.
Sell your souls to the devil fools and fear not martyrdom is just around the corner,just do not be surprised at your rewards you have been warned.
The crusaders live,history repeats itself in more ways than one and i am not a fan of politics.
Back to your castles in the sky and dream on because quite obviously another day has passed and the harvest for the horde is soon to be up.
Does that answer your question tsuga? Do you need more clarification?
I suppose video of me holding a severed head of a zombie would be more forward,but i guess i am not as brave as islams "heroes".What a joke religion,what rediculous followers.The only thing i find more repulsive is that the more inteligent people think all they need is a hug and allow thier wretched voices to be heard.
Freedom has it's limits and islam is the limit.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at January 19, 2007 7:09 PM
wratofasma
I'm hopefull that you already realize that there is no mention in the Bible of "rapture" pre trib or no and that theology would have Christ returning 3 times and not just "again". This post violates my own belief that this site is not a Bible study class but I cannot resist a hanging curve ball.
at January 19, 2007 9:05 PM
Bob Bournemouth: We don't want him any more than you do.
You have our permission to use the creep for, well, here are some suggestions as to what you are welcome to do with this ugly thug: 1-)stick him on a fishing-hook and use him as shark bait or 2-)use him as cannon fodder or 3-)use him for repeating animal testing in some laboratory somewhere.
Returning him here would be cruel and unusual punishment.
at January 20, 2007 3:45 PM
tsuga?
You talking to me harb al dar? Ok, then tell me something I don’t know, and that don’t include the simple principles of the islamists. I asked you a simple question, where do you stand, but angry as you seem to be, you want to know, do I need more clarification? I asked for a simple clarification and I get smart ass remarks. You what to win, then get control of yourself.
at January 21, 2007 11:10 AM
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