Suspect arrested!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6283477.stm

Posted by: george_rem at January 20, 2007 5:01 PM

I shot the non-Muslim...
But I did not shoot the Infidel.

Posted by: remote_control at January 20, 2007 5:13 PM

Good one Remote. I also tried to think of a good phrase to complete the Clapton / Marley lyric line, but was unable to think of anything good.

Posted by: awake at January 20, 2007 5:21 PM

I don't think the turks lied in the article - it's more likely the murderer in the heat of the moment, shouted:

"I killed the kaffir!"

Posted by: allat at January 20, 2007 5:32 PM

remote-
Sorry to mess up your lyrics, but LGF has linked the Telegraph's article on this with the translation "Witnesses said the assailant was a teenager wearing a white cap and jeans. "He shouted 'I shot the infidel' as he ran away," said Muharrem Gozutok, a restaurant owner."

Absolutely unbelievable that this deliberately inaccurate reporting goes on all the time!

What really is behind this, besides the fear to be labeled not PC? I wish I knew........

It sure is comforting to see the hitcounter on JW growing nicely, however.

Posted by: JBarsimson at January 20, 2007 5:35 PM

Are neglecting to mention he said, I shot the non muslim cause he really said, I shot the infidel?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/20/wturkey20.xml
“Witnesses said the assailant was a teenager wearing a white cap and jeans. "He shouted 'I shot the infidel' as he ran away," said Muharrem Gozutok, a restaurant owner”.

Posted by: tgusa at January 20, 2007 5:35 PM

oops, forgot the link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/20/wturkey20.xml

hey, maybe I should say that was as it was displayed at 5:30 EST anyway

Posted by: JBarsimson at January 20, 2007 5:37 PM

"That little detail appeared in a Reuters report, but now, Paul points out, it is gone."

Suprising?....hardly. It should work to our collective advantage eventually. Capturing the truth on paper, and through audio and/or video is nearly irrefutable.

Let these guys continue to speak. They usually say what they mean AND mean what they say. At least up until the point where others attempt to lie about it and obfuscate the truth.

Capturing malevolent statements by Islamists is important. More important, will be capturing the responses by other Islamists to attempt to minimize the damage. A statement by one person can be relegated to the "tiny minority" group as is often done. Defensive lying, contrary to the concrete written or A/V proof otherwise, is a much louder statement.

Unfortunately, the continued silence from the "majority of moderate Muslims" speaks volumes.

Posted by: awake at January 20, 2007 5:39 PM

"I shot the infidel."

Definitely the more likely statement.

Posted by: Foehammer at January 20, 2007 5:46 PM

What *exactly* did he say? Presumably he spoke in Turkish. Has any source reported his exact words?

Posted by: Dane at January 20, 2007 6:06 PM

I shot the non muslim? Who would say such a strange thing? Surely not an islamist nationalist. The non muslim, as if at the finish of his bloodthirsty act, after pumping three rounds into a man he didn’t know he decided to become compassionate, unoffending, somewhat respectful to his victim. C’mon, how ridiculous, who makes this stuff up?

Posted by: tgusa at January 20, 2007 6:28 PM

The witnesses that I saw interviewed on TV said the kid shouted, "I shot the Armenian." By the way, the 17 year-old shooter is caught, turned in by his dad. Hrant Dink's lawyer said that Dink told him he received numerous threats from Veli Kucuk, a retired general, who was photographed on occasion Kerincsiz, the nationalist lawyer who prosecuted Dink for 'insulting Turkishness.'

Posted by: aegeand at January 20, 2007 7:02 PM

Hrant (pronounced "Ervant") Dink was shot because he was an Armenian citizen of Turkey, who thought that the government and people of Turkey should own up to the mass-murder (genocide) of the Armenians. He was not a true "Turk" according to the definition supplied by Turkish nationalists.

The violence and aggression of Islam, the inability to conceive of non-Muslims as fully equal legally and socially to Muslims, have carried over into the Kemalist substitute for Islam -- the cult of "the Turk" by which the past civilizations of Anatolia, its entire history, back to the Hittites, is ascribed to "the Turks." This is another variant on the Muslim desire to ignore everything that happened before Islam arrived as merely the time of "Jahiliyya." That cannot be done in the case of Turkey -- just too many impressive remnants of classical antiquity, and of Byzantium remain and must (if only for the Western tourists). the solution of the Kemalist-nationalists was to take that pre-Islamic past, and enroll it in a counter-myth, the myth of the Turk to whom all this somehow belongs, and for which he, the glorious Turk, is somehow responsible. The educated elite realize this is absurd, but as in any country, and especially in such a country as Turkey, how few those members of the educated elite, immune to both Islam and to the Myth of the Turk, must be.

Posted by: Hugh at January 20, 2007 7:43 PM

Come on, song-writers. Join in.

I shot the infidel … but I swear it was in self-defense … the infidels always hated me … for what, I don’t know …

Posted by: LoneRanger at January 20, 2007 8:44 PM

6th Pillar of Islam. That's what is at work here. As to the journalists from America, we're talking disloyalty here. Sen. Carl Levin-style disloyalty. Pelosi-style. This is everyday news to us.

We are all Moslems now. Maybe not you, but I'm from Minnesota and Michigan. I am Sharia now.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 20, 2007 11:23 PM

OT, Rep. Tom Tancredo has formed an exploratory committee to run for President in 2008. All of you who want to show him your interest, here is the link to his site:

http://teamtancredo.com/petition.php

AIG, I hope you're here to see this. I know he is your candidate of choice and mine too, actually anyone who wants our borders controlled and stand strong against terrorism...Tancredo is our man in 2008.

Posted by: Bonniea at January 20, 2007 11:26 PM

ok LoneRanger here goes:

PC correctness got the better of me
And Sharia must definitely not be
Every day they push me to a wall
one day my patience will run out
yes one day my patience will run out....

Posted by: xena at January 21, 2007 1:31 AM

allat said

it's more likely the murderer in the heat of the moment, shouted: "I killed the kaffir!"

I'm with allat. I'd bet my lunch money that the word was "kaffir", or however you say "kaffir" in Turkish. That would explain the widely divergent euphemisms given ("non-Muslim", "infidel", "Armenian"). I would love to see our media give an accurate translation for "kaffir", one that fully described all the shadings of the term, one that showed where we kaffirs rate in comparison to feces, for example.

Posted by: special_guest at January 21, 2007 2:47 AM

'insulting Turkishness.'

Posted by: aegeand

As if it is possible to add to the mountain of monstrosities committed against both mankind and God by Turkish Muslims.

Here's another link to that Aristakes fellow, about the doings of those Saljuqs, seemingly never tiring of slaughtering Armenian Christians.
This an account of an entirely other slaughter of Armenians in an entirely other age.
Identical in meme.

http://rbedrosian.com/a6.htm

An excerpt :
Who can record the evils which [the Saljuqs] then visited upon the land? Whose mind is able to enumerate them? The entire land was full of corpses--cultivated and uncultivated places, roads and desolate places, caves, craggy spots, pine groves and steep places--and [the Saljuqs] set on fire and polluted all the cultivated places, homes and churches. And the flame of that fire rose higher than [the flame of] the furnace of Babylon. In this way [94] they ruined the entire land, not once but three times, one after the other, until the country was totally devoid of inhabitants and the bellowing of animals ceased.

Another excerpt:

[126] The infidels came to the Karin district, to a village called Blurs, Since the residents of that place had enclosed the hill with a wall whose foundations they had laid on the soil (as in the Lord's proverb), when the infidels came like a raging torrent and struck against that wall, it did not withstand even for a moment, but quickly collapsed. Its collapse was heard throughout the world, and shall be remembered for all time. For those who thought [the city] would be a place of salvation and refuge, it became a pit of ruin. For all the villages and religious establishments [g108] on this side of the Euphrates, as well as many people from the Arcn awan had assembled there. As soon as the enemy attacked, [the city's] fortifications collapsed, and they rushed in. The flashing of swords and the whizzing of bowstrings made everyone tremble with dread as if bound with chains. Since there was no prince nor leader there who, by threats and encouragement, might urge them to resist the enemy, urging them to be brave martyrs, as is meet for all warriors, the lordless citizens became horror-stricken at the mere sight [of the Saljuqs]. They lost their senses, they gave up hope and went crazy. And they commenced hiding from one another. Some descended the walls at nighttime and fled, others voluntarily surrendered. Those who remained inside, abandoning all thought of resistance, dug caverns and hid underground. [127] When the enemy attacked, they cut [the citizens] down, not after the fashion of a war, but as though they were slaughtering sheep penned up in a yard. Some [the Saljuqs] seized, brought forward and beheaded with the sword. They died a double death. More bitter than death was the scintillating of swords above them, then the death verdict. Swords in hand they came upon some, fell upon them like beasts, pierced their hearts and killed them instantly. As for the stout and corpulent, they were made to go down on their knees, and their hands were secured down by stakes. Then the skin together with the nails was pulled up on both sides over the forearm and shoulder as far as the tips of the second hand, forcibly removed, and [the Saljuqs] fashioned bowstrings out of them. Oh how bitter this narration is!
As for the presbyters and clerics, what ear could bear the unique tortures to which they were subjected? Their skin was flayed from the breast upward, over the face, and [g109] then twisted around the head. And only after so torturing them did [the Saljuqs] kill them. Who has heard of more bitter, unbelievable tortures? We have not encountered any in the martyrdoms of the saints.
[128] By such deeds did they kill everyone. They even hunted after those survivors who were buried [in hidden chambers], killing them after wickedly stabbing them through. The mountains all resounded with the screams of the tortured. When [most] of the people had been executed, [the Saljuqs] then split open the sides of the slain, drained the bile into pans, and made the slave women take that along. So ended that bad fortune. So were we betrayed into the hands of wicked, merciless men. Nor did the Lord visit us, since we did not heed him when we dwelled in peace. He beseeched us through His prophets, saying: "Come, heed Me, and you shall dwell in goodness, and if you hear Me with joy, you shall enjoy the good things of the land [Isaiah 1.18-19]." We neglected His words. Consequently He did not hear us in our time of need. No, He turned His face away from us. And we were betrayed into the hand of our enemies, and straitened by those who hated us. Their arrows drank our blood, and their swords ate the flesh of our fallen wounded fighting men. In such triumph they went off to their own land. It is said that seven thousand [men and women] were killed or captured, and sixty clerics. [129]……
Now when evening fell, they took their loot, captives, and the booty from the slain, and departed. But they left behind them a scene more pitiful and lamentable than it had been before. The death-agonies were of many types: for some who had fallen [75] [fatally wounded] were still alive. From thirst their tongues had dried up, and with weak and soft voices they sought to quench their thirst, but there was no one to give them drink. Others who were terribly wounded, and could not make sounds, were breathing violently. Others whose throats had been slit but were still alive were emitting gurgling sounds in pain. Yet others, who had been badly wounded, were scraping the ground with their feet and clawing at it with their fingernails. There were others whose appearance was so frightful that the very rocks and other inanimate objects were moved to lamentation and sighing. For when the infidels were removing captives from the mountain, they took the children from their parents' embrace, and threw them to the ground, and [the Saljuqs'] place of encampment was swarming with them. Some [of the children] had died when they fell against rocks. The sides of some of them had torn open and their intestines poured out onto the ground. As for those remaining alive, what ear could bear their crying? Those [children] capable of walking were moving about here and there looking for their mothers, and the mountains reverberated with the loudness of their crying. Those who [76] were [to young to be] steady on their feet, were crying as they crawled along on their knees. Those who were even younger than they, thumped the ground with their feet, and, weakened through crawling they could scarcely breath. With their piteous sounds and unceasing cries they resembled lambs newly separated from their mothers, who, being impatient by nature, angrily struck out this way and that, offending the very air with their bleating and weighing heavily upon the listeners' ears.
….The year after this [devastation] occurred was [the year] 503 of our [Armenian] era [1054]. Now the [93] same month, and the same date of the month as [the previous year] when [the Saljuqs] took the land captive, and burned Arcn and other cities and awans, that death-breathing, bloodthirsty and murderous beast, the Sultan, advanced [toward us] with countless troops, elephants, carts, horses, women, children, and much preparation. Skipping over Archesh and Berkri, they came and camped near the city called Manazkert in the Apahunik' district, seizing all the extensive places in the fields [i.e., the pasturelands]. [The Sultan] dispatched marauding parties across the face of the land: north as far as the stronghold of the Abkhaz and to the [g84] mountain called Parxar to the base of the Caucasus; west as far as the forests of Chanet'ia; and south as far as the place called Sim mountain. And they seized the entire land as [easily as] reapers working a field.
…..Who can record the evils which [the Saljuqs] then visited upon the land? Whose mind is able to enumerate them? The entire land was full of corpses--cultivated and uncultivated places, roads and desolate places, caves, craggy spots, pine groves and steep places--and [the Saljuqs] set on fire and polluted all the cultivated places, homes and churches. And the flame of that fire rose higher than [the flame of] the furnace of Babylon. In this way [94] they ruined the entire land, not once but three times, one after the other, until the country was totally devoid of inhabitants and the bellowing of animals ceased.
Bearing such misfortunes, the country donned mourning garb. It was ruined because its inhabitants were destroyed. The entire country ceased rejoicing. Everywhere lamentations and sighs were heard, everywhere there was weeping and sobbing. Nowhere were the songs of the priests heard, nor the glorification of God. Nowhere were books [read] to advise and comfort listeners, for the readers lay stabbed to death in the squares, while the books themselves had been burned and turned to ashes. Nowhere were the sounds of weddings and the glad tidings of newly-born children. The elderly did not sit in chairs in the squares, nor did the children play before them. Herds did not flock together to pasture, nor did lambs frolic about in the meadows. No more did the reaper fill his embrace with sheaves, no more was the praise of passersby heard, no longer were the threshing-floors filled with grain, nor the cisterns full of wine. [g85] Sounds of joy were not heard when the vineyards were harvested, nor were the pantries overladen with vessels. All of this vanished and is no more. Where is the Jeremiah to mourn our destruction, prolonging the lament on the roads and the [95] mountains? What Isaiah would disobey the comforters, to saturate [them] with lamentations? Woe is me that I [must] relate such things. I am as the Himen youth, a bringer of bad news, but not to one village or to one city, but to the entire world, from generation to generation until the end of time. For there is neither time nor deed which can mitigate our [suffering], except for the Evil of the desert [the Antichrist], which the Bible prophesies. Now what shall I do? Shall I leave off narrating the incredible evils which befell the Christians, sparing you, or shall I stir up the laments and sighs of all who are participants in this hellish history? Yet I know that you want to hear it. Therefore I shall stop wavering and shall write one after the next about those unbelievable disasters visited upon the major places.
When I recall Xorjean and Hanjet' [districts], and what transpired in them, my breathing becomes choked off by tears, my heart is moved to pity, my mind is dazed, trembling seizes my hands, and I am unable to continue writing. Because of the security of those places, many people, a countless number, had assembled there from the upper districts. But the infidels speedily swooped down upon them like birds, as mercilessly as wild beasts, glowering with rage like avengers, [96] and, searching through caves and the thick pine forests, they insatiably killed whomever they found. Just as in springtime, from the warmth of the air, the water starts to flow and rise, causing streams to form in the snow, innundating the land behind it, so it was [when the Saljuqs attacked]; streams of blood flowed down from the corpses of the fallen, [g86] and from its coursing, the ground was innundated.
Recall what took place then [to] the class of clerics and priests who happened to be there, or [to] the elderly, or [to] the multitude of youths, whose newly-grown beards adorned their cheeks like a beautiful picture, whose ringlets of hair gleamed upon their brows resembling the glowing hues of roses, making their faces shine, [recall] how suddenly they fell to the ground and tumbled over, struck by the enemies' swords, as if struck by hail. Add to this the number of children who were taken from their mothers' embraces and hurled to the ground, who sought their mothers with their baby sighs. But the parents, cudgled, were quickly separated from them. What heart of stone would not be straitened by tears, hearing these numerous and varied [recitations] of evil? Virgins fell dishonored, newly-married women were separated from their men and led into slavery. In one single moment the country, which had been crowded with [97] people, like a densely populated city, became an uninhabited wasteland. [As for the people], they were either killed by the sword, or taken captive. Oh Christ, for your forgiveness at that time; Oh the wickedness that befell us! How bitter was the death we died!
Who is capable of describing the destruction visited upon [the districts of] Derjan and Ekegheac', and upon the area between them? Judge that one by my recitations. Now [those Saljuqs] who had entered Tayk' took the country and reached as far as the great river called Chorox….

Posted by: Mike_W at January 21, 2007 4:22 AM

Just finished your book, Robert. What on earth would the difference be in translation, considering the source? Non-muslim, infidel...same difference. The point of it is that no one outside of our little academic-ish circles knows that it was Muslim vs. non-Muslim because no one dares speak the words. Ask anyone what a Chechyn separatist is. You'll be waiting a while...

Posted by: winoceros at January 21, 2007 8:10 AM

Why discredit Utopia with the whole truth. Multiculturalism Is not willing to confront the ultimate end result of it's own Tennents.

It is a hard sell for a multiculturalist to openly say one needs to accept someone who wishes you harm. Europe is a perfect example of doing so. Sence when is seperate bur equal ever equal?

Ideology ovet truth.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at January 21, 2007 8:50 AM

the media covers it up that the turkish murderer cried i shot a non muslim because the people who own the mainstream media is the goverment and the goverments support turkey its there allie just like when the armenian genocide history page was removed from encarta becasue the turks threatened to take action against encarta

Posted by: Greek Gurl at January 21, 2007 11:41 AM

xena,

Bravo!

(I was sarcastically parroting the standard muslim response for yet another atrocity.)

Posted by: LoneRanger at January 22, 2007 12:50 AM