It pales by comparison to the PLO Charter, The Qur'an, and the Al-Qaeda Manuel...

The only films the Muslims have put out have been films of things blowing up, or heads being lopped off, or just the good ole boy radical clerics shaking a crooked finger and threatening the world.....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 22, 2007 4:21 PM

I think of Bogarts character in Treasure of the Sierra Madre as the one resembling an islamist of the three. Oh he doesn’t have any of the religious baggage but in all other ways he fits the bill. First he’s out there looking for handouts, then he’s complaining about his share of the loot. Next thing you know he thinks everyone is out to get him and finally he resorts to attempted murder to get what is rightly his. Oh and did I mention in the end he ends up dead, killed by a similar yet different gang of bandits.

Posted by: tgusa at January 22, 2007 4:31 PM

Some imbecile sent this into the BNP , so there
u should all get ur facts right !
HaHaHa HeeHeeHee , i`m a laughing gnome...

I think that your party is sick and not sick in the slang of today, sick meaning disgusting. Do not insult our prophet by saying he is a sex offender, maybe its time u get ur facts straight and then write the stupid articles and then make the sickening videos and songs, and just for the record i doubt that if the ideas that you are putting forward were true, Islam would not be the fastest growing religion today, i am no fundamentalist nor 'extremist' just someone who is laying out the facts, remember that there is a high number of white British women converting to Islam, ONE main example being yvonne ridley, dont forget, people wouldn’t convert if Islams Prophet was, as you say a 'child molester' 'prophet pretender', you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. plain and simply its disgusting.

(Ed replies - Let no one ever say we are not the party of free speech! )

Isma Qureshi,

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 22, 2007 4:45 PM

Don't forget Ginger Rogers.

She did everything Fred did, but backwards... and in high heels."

Posted by: Malinois at January 22, 2007 4:48 PM

Spectacularly funny, Anne! I'm laughing so hard the cats are starting at me.

Thank you. I needed that.

Qubt, like many jihadists, had deep sexual perversion. If you can find it, I would suggest that you read a treatise by Georgetown University professor of Forensic Psychiatry Dr. Jerrold Post called "Bred in the Bone" about the psychiatric results of deep programming in childhood in madrassahs that so sexually messes up guys that suicide bombing, etc. is possible. Absolutely chilling, because once they've got into these kids, it would take years of the best Freudian psychiatry to get them out of it.

Thanks for your wonderful, continued good works.

Posted by: Morgaan Sinclair at January 22, 2007 4:51 PM

I am very suspicious of folks who express their indignation re the "moral depravity" of others. People who are really concerned about morality (Gandhi, e.g.) are concerned about their own moral perfection and are very self-critical.

People like Bin Laden, Jim Baker, Hitler, Muslims and others who condemn "moral depravity" are not mavens of moral behavior, but usually hypocrite-deceivers. Further, they often reduce morals to an infantile denominator of sex and sexuality.

Hitler often condemned the "moral depravity" of America, condemned Hollywood, extolled Nazi family values, condemned the influence of Jews in America, as Nazis burned books and people. Muslims and Nazis are moral lunatics. Jesus was right, the prostitutes and the tax collectors are closer to the kingdom of God than these Pharisees.

Posted by: Frank at January 22, 2007 4:55 PM

Yep, Irving Berlin's Easter Parade, with that vixen Judy Garland--pure evil, I tell you!

Same goes for Walter Winchell, Abbott & Costello, the Hit Parade, Ed Sullivan, Milton Berle, oh--and the Marshall Plan.

Posted by: RememberPimFortuyn at January 22, 2007 4:55 PM

Hey, not 1948, but dont forget those other vile Hollywood offerings such as "THE SOUND OF MUSIC", "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS", "THE ROBE", and "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"!!! ( and, of course, many others)

Why dont all of the rest of us just admit that the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, then they will stop all the pillage, plunder, rape, and murder!! Wont they--huh-wont they??

(not)

Posted by: guide inside at January 22, 2007 5:12 PM

I'm really disappointed in D'Souza. He's normally so insightful. How he can fail to grasp the real problem here is beyond me.
It's really very simple: Islam has turned morality up-side-down: Moral is immoral and right is wrong. immoral is moral and wrong is right.

Yes, Holywood movies might show a little too much flesh, even by Western moral standards. But consider that one could very easily forfeit an arm or leg in Saudi Arabia for stealing a pack of chewing gum, or their head for professing a God other than Allah. This is crime and punishment based on Islamic moral standards.

For Denesh to suggest that a bare-breasted Woman in a western movie warrants a terrorist response by some indignant, morally outraged Muslim concedes to Muslims some heightened awareness of what's morally offensive in the sight of God.

If moral indignation is any justification for commiting acts of terror against other peoples and nations, we should have nuked Saudi Arabia, Iran, and a number of other Islamic nations long ago.

If you want peace with Muslims, Denesh, You'll have to abolish Democracy, renounce everything you believe about what constitutes justice and human rights, convert to Islam, and join other Muslims in their holy war against decency and enlightment.

Nothing less will be acceptable by their moral standards.

Posted by: rational at January 22, 2007 5:15 PM

I read somewhere - sorry, no link - that a drunken American woman tried to seduce Qutb on board ship en route to the US. A lethal combination - alcohol and sexual self-determination!

Posted by: Silvester at January 22, 2007 5:27 PM

Frank have you ever seen the movie The Mortal Storm ? It’s right up your alley, Nazi morality run amuck.

Posted by: tgusa at January 22, 2007 5:28 PM

The really good people, the really moral people in history, are often like Saint Francis and Gandhi. They are very human, flawed men. They are hardest on themselves as they desperately struggle to practice the Golden Rule.

Only the phonies rant about the "moral depravity" of others. The phonies often demonstrate their hidden desires and hidden fears as they point their fingers at others re "moral depravity". The saints are very aware of their own "moral depravity" and are very brave in their candor about themselves and others. That's why they are saints.

Posted by: Frank at January 22, 2007 5:29 PM

Re: The Mortal Storm - (Original Trailer)
The Third Reich's rise tears apart a German family in The Mortal Storm (1940), starring Margaret Sullavan & James Stewart.

No. I have never seen nor heard about it till now.

I live near NYC in area that had a lot of Germans prior to WW2. I know a Real Estate lady whose father (Irish guy) was a US Marine in WW2. She told me that her father said many German families were torn apart because of the Nazis, some of the men returned to Germany to serve in the German army but most remained in America and served in the US Army.

I once went to the Lutheran Cemetery and viewed the WW2 US GI names. Almost all of them were German names. I took my late dog "Garbo" for a walk up there. I looked at the graves (I was alone) and said, "thank you, gentlemen". A breeze came up out of the stillness and all the US flags snapped in the wind. It was eerie. I felt they knew I was thanking them.

Posted by: Frank at January 22, 2007 5:48 PM

"The Treasure of the Sierra Madre," a John-Houston-directed film based on the story by "B. Traven" (definitely "Left"), puts the lie to D'Souza's as well as to Sayyid Qutb's claim of "American Depravity."

The moral of the story and film, as well as choices of its characters and the portrayal of the wages of avarice are superior to the "accumulation of wealth and females through robbery and murder" condoned as moral by the ideology followed by Sayyid Qutb.

Depravity is not only in the eyes of the beholder, it also depends on where one chooses to look. Goodness and mercy can be found all around us, more so than amongst those that labour beneath a a yoke demanding obedience to the confused dictates of a man who, based on his life and deeds, is in our eyes a prime example of immorality.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 22, 2007 5:52 PM

1948 - ???

You mean the Naqba?

Posted by: Hugo Schmidt-Fischer at January 22, 2007 6:05 PM

re "ISlam being the fastest-growing religion . . . "
as posted above (citing an e-mail to the BNP site):

You hear little about the ones leaking out of Islam. As for "leaving Islam,"

Ibn Warraq says, "There are all sorts of different reasons. I have tried to compile a taxonomy of the reasons for leaving Islam, but as you’ve just noted, one of the main reasons for many of them was that they read the Koran for the first time in translation. Of course, you must realise that the vast majority of Muslims are not Arabic-speaking, and the Koran is written in rather difficult classical Arabic. And it’s not even accessible to Muslims in Arabic countries, in fact, because of the difficulty of this classical language, and the colloquial language, the language of everyday life, is different."

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamapostasy.shtml

How many DO leave Islam every day?
It must be kept under wraps, 'cause standing order for the "faithful" is kill those who leave.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 22, 2007 6:05 PM

VMA 323 Marine Attack Squadron 323. Frederick M. Rauschenbach XO. A loving relative and a great man, GRHS. WWII, Korea, He fought at Okinawa for one, said it was hell on Earth.
Flags flapping in the wind... talkin to us. Yes, I know how you feel.

Posted by: tgusa at January 22, 2007 6:15 PM

Jewish Group Urged to Invite Muslim to Balance 'Islamophobe'

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 22, 2007 6:28 PM

In his interview with Glenn Beck, D'Souza already responded -- in his typically incoherent way -- to the point of this thread:

"Qutb was one of the thinkers of radical Islam. I`m talking about the radical Muslims moving from the theoretical phase to the phase of actually capturing a major state and making it a beachhead for launching the Khomeini revolution.

While I agree with one implication of D'Souza's answer -- that Islam's threat to us is not monolithic across time and space, but obviously has waxed and waned often due, superficially but nevertheless tactically important for us, to factors other than Islam's intrinsic ideological imperatives -- nothing else in D'Souza's articulation of the problem is of any value, and is actually harmful (most especially his apodictic cordonning-off of Islam from all causative blame).

Posted by: remote_control at January 22, 2007 6:30 PM

If Dinesh D'Souza is correct that American moral depravity causes Al Qaeda to attack, then why isn't Paris Hilton under Homeland Security protection?

Posted by: Xero G at January 22, 2007 6:41 PM

Oh no doubt, otherwise explain to me why the islamists layed low during the 20s and 30s. Hollywood was pushing the limits back then and they don’t call them the roaring 20s for machine gun use alone. Pornography was at that time shunned by many but I have seen a boatload of pornographic pictures(really bad most of them) from that time. As soon as the Women of America got their due, lets face it they and many men went wild. They were eventually reined in with the Hollywood censors. Yes where did you think they came from, outta the blue? Yet no islamist uprising, no islamophobia, what has changed? Their mullahs and whatnot have reverted to the 7th century, that’s what. How long to deprogram them when they start um so young, four years maybe less? 100 years, if we are lucky. Don’t be discouraged, everyone needs a hobby nowadays.

Posted by: tgusa at January 22, 2007 6:49 PM

Sure we are morally depraved. That is evidenced by "all the beheadings Bush, Blair and Howard have committed, which are then shown on the internet!!"

Gimme a break!

Somewhat OT:
Have anyone seen the movie "American Dreamz"?
It is a send up of all those "idol" shows where Hugh Grant is a "Simon Callow" type character.

He insists they get a muslim, an Jew and an all-American girl to be finalists in the show.

This is the only time I have laughed at a scene from an al queada training camp. Worth a look.

Posted by: Gramfan at January 22, 2007 6:54 PM

Never have so many owed so little to so many Muslims.

No apologies to Muslims for being the way we are...

No concessions are needed to them.

And never have so many Muslims owed so many others apologies -- apologies to the rest of us for all their bigotry, insolence, hatred, backwardness, violence, stupidity, corruption, hypocrisy, arrogance, and all-round insanity.

It's the Muslims who owe us BIG TIME.

BIG TIME.

Posted by: jsla at January 22, 2007 7:18 PM

I heard that Ellison (islamocrat) called Dobson (focus on the family) the anti Christ. If this is true the islamist is already attacking the American family from congress. Hey, maybe I should have no complaints, after all I can get into Heaven if I join up and he(Ellison) can’t( according to the muslim doctrine) plus I am pretty sure I can have up to four wives. Why I would want four wives is beyond me but who knows, maybe it could be cool. Of course I will have to change a couple of things like, starting to wish homosexuals a cruel death and if I see some uncovered meat in jeans I will have to go ballistic. I will also have to kill my dog and eat meat that has been firmly tortured when and if they allow me to, but that’s maybe not so bad either? The rules regarding our unmentionables, when, where, how, why, what, I will need some time to get up to speed on those. I don’t necessarily agree with Dobson but I don’t necessarily disagree with him either. It is the islamist intimidation/smearing from public office that I protest. Soon we are going to shove the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights down the throats of these islamists and they are going to have trouble swallowing it.

Posted by: tgusa at January 22, 2007 7:38 PM

I heard back from Mr. D`Souza. He says that he is scheduled to debate Robert CPAC in DC in early March.

Posted by: tokyobk at January 22, 2007 7:42 PM

Hey, not 1948, but dont forget those other vile Hollywood offerings such as "THE SOUND OF MUSIC", "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS", "THE ROBE", and "THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST"!!! ( and, of course, many others)

Posted by: guide inside

Was not the "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS'' banned in Egypt at one point and maybe still is?
It was only saying how Ismael was not the promised bloodline and his character was mocking as wriiten in the Bible and were him and his mother were sent away and God approved.
Apart rom that what's the big fuss?

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 22, 2007 7:48 PM

...Laurence Olivier’s Hamlet (Headpost by Anne).

"A hit, a very palpable hit" but "go, bid the soldiers shoot""and where the offence is let the great axe fall" in case "the rest is silence".

And let us say to islam: "Thou wretched, rash, intruding fool, farewell! I took thee for a better."

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 22, 2007 8:21 PM

I dunno. That "I Remember Mama" was pretty racy.

Posted by: scaramouoche at January 22, 2007 8:30 PM

The evil face of CAIR...Shut up a man who speaks the the truth about Islam and send him back to be killed....Islam means Submit...or DIE.......ONTARIO, Jan. 22 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- There is a growing and forceful campaign by CAIR and other Islamist organizations in Canada to silence the free speech of Zachariah Anani and undermine his legitimacy as a Canadian citizen, by calling for his arrest and deportation. Anani is a former terrorist-militant, a refugee from Lebanon and Muslim convert to Christianity. CAIR, an organization which claims to be the voice of moderation, should be embracing Anani's message against violence and the dangers of extremism instead of mounting a witch hunt against him.

It is no wonder that CAIR is attacking Anani, as it has been documented that many of the leaders of CAIR have openly supported the positions of Hamas, Hizballah and al-Queda -- all recognized terrorist organizations.

Recently, Anani spoke on the dangers of radical extremism at a church in Ontario. A backlash ensued, with CAIR and other Islamist groups pressuring political leaders to throw Anani and his family out of the country. Two members of Parliament, and one member of City Council joined the mayor of Windsor in denouncing Anani. None of these political officials, however, attended the lecture or even watched a video of it. The content of Anani's speech was almost exclusively from passages he read directly from the Koran.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Posted by: storagemanager at January 22, 2007 8:31 PM

Of course, we could always slightly rewrite the script for Key Largo. How about:

Frank McCloud: "Yes, I had hopes once, but I gave them up."
Johnny Rocco: "Hopes for what?"
Frank McCloud: "A world in which there's no place for islam."

Just a thought.

Dominic.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 22, 2007 8:35 PM

No one seems to care that CAIR is shouting down freedom of speech....Maybe we are not as awake as we think.

Posted by: storagemanager at January 22, 2007 8:36 PM

A pity the US in 1948 wasn't as decadent as it is now. The idiot might have been enraged enough to kill himself, sparing us a lot of headaches today.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 22, 2007 8:52 PM

Dominic - Good one - We think alike*. I found that quote and played with it too, then I got sidetracked with this:

I'm gobsmacked.

*Must be because we like the same ingredients in our margaritas.

Posted by: Malinois at January 22, 2007 8:58 PM

"I read somewhere - sorry, no link - that a drunken American woman tried to seduce Qutb on board ship en route to the US. A lethal combination - alcohol and sexual self-determination!"
Posted by: Silvester

Too bad for Qutb, that was probably his one and only chance for getting laid. No sober or sane American woman would want to be with a muslim. *shudders*

Posted by: JadeDragoness at January 22, 2007 9:02 PM

"Maybe we are not as awake as we think."

Ya think...!!!???

Posted by: remote_control at January 22, 2007 9:20 PM

Muslim apologists would simply claim that 1948,because of the Israel situation, was a year ripe with change and turmoil,especially for Egyptians,thus leading to a gross cultural misunderstanding and therefore an erroneously arrived out and forgivable bias on behalf of the observer, (in this cause Qutb) which accounts for his lack of conceptual understanding of post war American culture.

Sure, and he would have thought the roaring twenties were just bichin otherwise, huh?

Peddlers of such PC Newspeak mindset should be hung by thier own words.

Posted by: kafir world at January 22, 2007 9:36 PM

Maybe we are not as awake as we think."

Ya think...!!!???

Posted by: remote_control ......Only one thread on this that I know of....CAIR wants to deport a Christian from the WEST for speaking out against Islam...to a country that will kill him on sight...no outrage....AMAZING.

Posted by: storagemanager at January 22, 2007 9:54 PM

I heard back from Mr. D`Souza. He says that he is scheduled to debate Robert CPAC in DC in early March.

Posted by: tokyobk

Your kidding! This is going to be ass kicking that few will forget. It might do them (CPAC) some good to see Mr. Robert Spencer in action.

If true I am suprised. Most of the time they do a "Dougie" and scream "Islamophobe" and run.

Spencer is like the Roman Army in their prime when the simple appearence of their legions was enough to scatter an enemy. It appears D'Souza is not going to run but instead charge. Mr. Spencer have no mercy!!!!!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 22, 2007 9:57 PM

Malinois/

Gobsmacked indeed. So am I.

And don't you just know that her bum is going to look positively enormous in that outfit.

Colour and material - correct: cut and clinginess - wrong.

Dominic.

P.S. I'm on my third. Time for bed, I think, 'cos I'm getting bitchy.

D.

Posted by: necessitasnonhabetlegem at January 22, 2007 9:58 PM

"Don't forget Ginger Rogers.

She did everything Fred did, but backwards... and in high heels." "

Oh God! Yes! My favorite was ALWAYS Ginger Rogers. ANd I did notice the same thing. She was better..BETTER than Astaire, but never recognized. That's why we needed Feminism.

Posted by: allat at January 22, 2007 10:52 PM

"I read somewhere - sorry, no link - that a drunken American woman tried to seduce Qutb on board ship en route to the US. A lethal combination - alcohol and sexual self-determination!"
Posted by: Silvester

Too bad for Qutb, that was probably his one and only chance for getting laid. No sober or sane American woman would want to be with a muslim. *shudders*
Posted by: JadeDragoness

I heard that drunk American woman was Rosie O'Donnel's mother. And as one can see the apple doesn't roll far from the tree. Is there a "fat pun" that works with roll?

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 22, 2007 11:00 PM

I agree. My money is on Robert Spencer. D`Souza who I like but understand why he was called "Distort D`Newsa" at Dartmouth, is overly clever and has been known more than once to gloss. Spencer deals in specifcs and always has his backup facts.

Then their is the reality factor.

How will D`SOuza explain away quotes from every century of Islam and by those observing Islam.

That said, his book about the end of Racism was very good and important.

Posted by: tokyobk at January 22, 2007 11:06 PM

All I can see is the lack of wealth and prosperity. Islam suffers so bad, they resort to sex as being their only wealth they can have. If anyone told another Islamic to go and get a job, maybe they'd have some kind of decent government ? As long as they can only think about sex, they'll never get out of the caves.

Posted by: Jeff at January 22, 2007 11:08 PM

"The dance hall convulsed to the tunes on the gramophone and was full of bounding feet and seductive legs. Arms circles waists, lips met lips, chests met chests, and the atmosphere was full of passion.”

The real funny thing is the incident that pur Qutb over the top was a church dance he attended in Greeley Colorado, a city so conservatvie alcohol was banned until 1969.

Posted by: Blue State Conservative at January 23, 2007 12:35 AM

Actually, I think Robert's next book should to a compare-and-contrast between us and them in terms of morality:

*What constitutes immorality here vs. there
*How we, and they, respond to immorality
*Government involvement in issues of morality, in the civilized world and in dar-al-Islam

and so forth.

One particularly fascinating thing is how our immoral societies fare against their moral ones in other areas:

The United States, with its pornography, Hollywood films, sleazily-dressed women, alcohol, and a whole lot of other things, has a powerhouse economy and has contributed countless inventions and technological advancements to the world.

Similarily, Europe, though aged and declining, remains a fairly formidable economic and scientific power.

The Japanese, masters of all that is sexually depraved, are top of the line in advanced electronic devices and cars.

What exactly is it that the ultra-moral societies of the Islamic world have managed to produce in recent history?

Posted by: Audacity at January 23, 2007 2:36 AM

*to = do

Proof that you can't always rely on a spell checker to spot typos.

Posted by: Audacity at January 23, 2007 2:44 AM

To quote Erich Fromm, a German-American philosopher :

There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much destructive feeling as moral indignation, which permits envy or hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.

This about sums up the attitude of the people who call the West immoral whilst trying to impose a system of "morals" that enslaves and subjugates, not under the rule of God, but the rule of those men.

Posted by: DaveMate at January 23, 2007 10:26 AM

1948 what a year;

Bet your life
Blame it on the Samba
Bugs Bunny Rides Again
The Denver Kid
Fort Apache
G-men Never Forget
If you knew Susie
Jungle Jim
The Loves of Carmen
Muscle Beach
The Naked City
The Paleface
The Street with no name
Tarzan and the Mermaids
Walk a Crooked Mile..

......a lot of good enternment and no one is running around screaming "Death to America, Death to the Jews, Death to the Infidel, die, die, die!"

Has Islam ever produced even one film for entertainment?.......

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 23, 2007 10:44 AM

If Dinesh D'Souza wants to find huge numbers of drug addicts, and prostitutes, he has only to go to Teheran. And if that is not enough, he has only to somehow get into Saudi Arabia, and behind those palace walls of assorted rich Saudis. There is nothing in the West to rival such debauchery.

Posted by: Hugh at January 23, 2007 1:53 PM

YOU GUYS MAKE ME Laugh
SILLY SILLY SILLY

Posted by: holy warrior at January 23, 2007 6:29 PM

http://www.eisenhowerseries.com/pdfs/terrorism_06/final/final_2005-11-21.pdf

Here's a link to "Bred in the Bone" by Jerrold Post

Posted by: Rowane at January 24, 2007 5:45 PM

Audacity wrote:

...What exactly is it that the ultra-moral societies of the Islamic world have managed to produce in recent history?
..............................

Audacity, good post. But I would take issue with one claim--I do *not* consider Shari'ah run societies to be moral.

All the places you meantion--the US, Japan, the countries of Europe--despite their flaws--are much more moral than Islamic nations.

There are certainly aspects of modern culture that I consider ugly and even harmful. But nowhere do you find the hideous aspects of Islamic culture--forced marriages, prosecution of rape victims, "honor" killings, barbaric penalties such as amputation and stoning, the continued practice of slavery, open and savage violence against people of other religions or apostates.

These are not considered crimes or perversions in Islamic societies, but in many cases are either the law of the land, or practices broadly tolerated by authorities.

Posted by: gravenimage at January 25, 2007 4:16 PM