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This particularly brazen attack resulted in five U.S. casualties on Saturday, targeting troops meeting with Shi'ite authorities to discuss security for the upcoming Ashura pilgrimage. But it differs from the Sunni-Shi'ite violence the world is accustomed to seeing in that there were no Shi'ite casualties, and, while an intense investigation is ongoing, several events surrounding the case seem strange and somewhat improbable. From CNN:
KARBALA, Iraq (CNN) -- Attackers who killed five U.S. troops at a government building in Karbala posed as U.S. military officials to get past Iraqi guards, a Karbala police spokesman said.
The attack happened Saturday as the U.S. military convened a meeting to discuss security for Ashura, the upcoming Shiite pilgrimage to Karbala.
According to police spokesman Abdul Rahman al-Mishawi, about 30 gunmen traveling in a convoy of at least seven SUVs with tinted windows -- similar to the vehicles used by top U.S. military officials -- drove up to the Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center wearing uniforms similar to those worn by the U.S. military.
About a dozen U.S. troops were inside the compound at the time, al-Mishawi said.
Around 5:45 p.m., the gunmen cleared an Iraqi police checkpoint outside the center by flashing fake identification badges and speaking some English, al-Mishawi said.
Al-Mishawi said it is standard procedure for U.S. troops not to jointly man the checkpoint. He said U.S. personnel insist on passing without going through a security screening.
The attackers went through three checkpoints to enter the center, he said.
The first U.S. casualty in the attack was a soldier sitting in a Humvee outside a meeting of U.S. and Iraqi security officials.
The assailants targeted only U.S. soldiers, al-Mishawi said, adding that not a single Iraqi soldier or police officer was killed.
Several of the SUVs used in the attack were found late Saturday in neighboring Babil province, along with two of the suspected gunmen, an official in Baghdad said. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the gunmen were wounded and detained by the Americans, but the U.S. military said the two were found dead.
When asked why Iraqi police did not intervene to stop the gunmen from fleeing, al-Mishawi said "they assumed it was American-on-American violence and wanted to stay out of it."
This detail seems odd, coupled with the fact that the attackers cleared three checkpoints.
Al-Mishawi said Monday that "the Americans have shut down the provincial government compound and everyone is being interrogated from the police chief, officers, down to the average policemen."
Posted by Marisol at January 23, 2007 12:04 AM
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Also, the check point fellows (Iraqis) said that the people, whom they waved through the check-points, were dressed up in U.S. military uniforms, and they spoke English. (is this the truth, or are they lying or bribed?)
Were these legitimate uniforms? How did the murderers escape?
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at January 23, 2007 12:28 AM
American soldiers were attempting to make plans for the protection of Shi'a visitors from abroad during Ashoura. They ended up being massacred in an ambush, in which a very large number of locals must have been involved. They may not have done the actual killing, but they allowed that suspect convoy to go through three checkpoints. One must assume that there was collusion. And why not? The Shi'a, like the Sunnis, are delighted when Americans die, or at the very least, are completely indifferent. In four years of fighting for a "decent Iraq" that does not exist, will not exist, and never did exist, American soldiers are being sacrificed -- killed while handing out candy, killed while attending meetings, killed while attempting to build or rebuild this country of treacherous and primitive ingrates, and now killed, by Shi'a, as they, those American soldiers, lulled no doubt into a feeling of false secuirty, were not there to fight but only to make plans to assure the safety and wellbeing of Shi'a pilgrims -- and were nonetheless essentially massacred by other Shi'a. And not a single Iraqi Shi'a at that meeting, and not a single Iraqi Shi'a soldier outside, apparently fired a shot against those who murdered the Americans.
Why?
Here's why:
"When asked why Iraqi police did not intervene to stop the gunmen from fleeing, al-Mishawi said 'they assumed it was American-on-American violence and wanted to stay out of it.'"
Does that make sense? Has there been, anywhere in Iraq, at any time, any "American-on-American violence" that any Iraqi has observed or has any reason to think would ever go on? Could any Iraqi in Karbala really think that a convoy of thirty Americans would drive up to that meeting and enter it, and attempt to kill every American soldier there in cold blood? Where has anything like that ever occurred in Iraq? Is the reason given by that Iraqi for the failure of any of the Iraqis to fire a shot as the murderers left, at all believeable?
Does your blood boil? Do you want to see more Americans killed making plans to protect those Shi'a during Ashoura, or killed protecting Sunnis from Shi'a militia, and Shi'a from Sunni terrorists? Do you no longer give a damn, do you in fact welcome the spectacle or prospect of those Shi'a being killed by and killing Sunnis, and vice-versa? Do you at long last want to have those American troops removed, so tjat instead of Iraqis explaiining that they wished "to stay out of it" and so did nothing to attack those who left, completely unscathed by any counter-attack coming from any Iraqi, after murdering Americans, -- that is, let the Americans stay out of this place where some primitives capture others, while still other primitives, indifferent to the fate of Americans, nonetheless expect those Americans to protect them, to do what they should be doing if in fact, the non-existent state and people of Iraq are ever to exist. The militias, the bombers, the bodies left here and there and everywhere with the marks of fiendish torture -- not by the Marquess-of-Queensberry Geneva-Conventioned Americans, but by the Muslims, Shi'a or Sunni, it hardly matters, who should be done with, done with as people whose every failure can properly be ascribed to the teachings, the attitudes, the atmospherics of Islam, the very subject which the Bush Administration cannot bring itself to discuss or even to hint at. The failures of the people in Iraq, as of so many Muslim Arabs, are are the result of Islam and nothing but Islam.
These people should all be made, along with the others who will be drawn into, or affected by, Sunni-Shi'a hostilities in Iraq, to suffer for their Islam, and the American soldiers permitted, by this quasi-demented Bush Administration, to go home, not to risk their own lives to save Muslims from the consequences of the teachings, attitudes, and atmospherics of Islam, but to watch from afar, intervening only to keep those Muslim states and peoples from acquiring major weaponry that could harm Infidels. But otherwise this or the next Administration must end, and nevder again repeat, the squandering of American lives, American money, American war materiel, American morale civilian and military, in a futile and misguided effort to prevent the Camp of Islam from descending into its natural state. Stop. Full stop.
Posted by: Hugh at January 23, 2007 12:29 AM
Smells of al Sadr, with the active help of Iran, and the silent complicity of Maliki.
Posted by: LoneRanger at January 23, 2007 12:35 AM
"Does your blood boil? Do you want to see those Shi'a killed and killing Sunnis, and vice-versa? Do you want to have those American troops removed, so as to "stay out of it" -- that is, stay out of those primitives capturing each other"
YES! And I do keep saying we should get out of there - let them kill each other. WHy should our best and brightest suffer?
And now the slime Bush is throwing 20,000 more of our beautiful kid soldiers. Bush said he "committed" more troops...as if he were a monarch in the days of Charles II...playing chess.
Posted by: allat at January 23, 2007 12:35 AM
American on American violence.
I hope and pray that the President is briefed on this and it moves him to re-write the State of the Union address.
We need to deploy to Kurdistan, maintain a strategic ground and air presence in the Middle East, and keep our brave troops away from the Arab street until such time as they are allowed to do the work that they are trained to do.
If the goal is to maintain stability in Iraq, send the State Department.
at January 23, 2007 12:36 AM
Take out Sadr City (totally) while leaving.
Posted by: LoneRanger at January 23, 2007 12:49 AM
I'm sick of this crap. Bring our guys home. They are not being allowed to fight a real war anyway. What an excercise in futility!
Posted by: dms at January 23, 2007 1:12 AM
Who cares if the Sunnis and Shia kill each other and take themselves out of the gene pool. I never did believe that nonsense anyway that we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here. Hell, we are already fighting them here and it's going to get a lot worse regardless of whether we are in Iraq or not.
Posted by: dms at January 23, 2007 1:23 AM
That ought to get your blood boiling
Yeah it does. Either our guys go balls to the walls and destroy the bastards of either stripe, or get out and face the consequences of a temporary defeat. Under the current R.O.E., it ain't working. An increase in troop strength will do nothing if they do not change what they are doing. I would like to see most of these hot spots leveled and let those bastards rebuild it themselves. Then we can get out and let them take a couple hundred years to get back "up" to the seventh century. Maybe somebody then can invent a new religion for them that is truly a "religion of peace" instead of one that blows everyone to pieces. But unless our troops are ruthless and crushing, it ain't going to happen. If that be the case, we might as well leave now but not leave any war materials in their filthy hands that will eventually used against us.
Posted by: TexasInfidel at January 23, 2007 1:23 AM
My blood boils, but at the US not levelling Iraq when it first invaded - and everybody - Shia, Sunni and Kurd. They should have levelled Baghdad, Basra, Samara, Ramadi, Karbala, Najaf, Nassariya,... and taken out the entire Iraqi army. Once that was done, they should have simply left.
Mission accomplished!
Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 23, 2007 1:31 AM
When are our leaders going to realize that you can't reason with savages who are stuck in the seventh century? Are all of our leaders that stupid? Don't they understand that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink the waters of democracy?
Posted by: dms at January 23, 2007 1:33 AM
From the article
Al-Mishawi said Monday that "the Americans have shut down the provincial government compound and everyone is being interrogated from the police chief, officers, down to the average policemen."
This does make my blood boil. That even at this late date, after so many of these treacherous acts, we are still "investigating" to discover "who was involved". When will the picture become clear to Those In Charge? What will it take for them to realize the futility of cooperating with or trusting these people? How many lives must be spent paying for their stubborn refusal to admit that their dreams of democracy and freedom and peace in Iraq existed only in their own minds, never in the Iraqis'?
But, sure, get back to us in a few months with the results of the "investigation". In the meantime, keep sharing the operational plans with our Iraqi "fellow soldiers", tell them exactly where we'll be and when. And surge. Augment. Whatever.
Posted by: special_guest at January 23, 2007 2:01 AM
I'm not for pulling out. We NEED to root out at the very least the armies causing the chaos. We need to pull the gloves off and for pete's sake...wth are our guys not atleast at the final checkpoint to check these tards out? That is absurd to rely just on the iraqis at these check points. I am not even in the military and would have made sure our guys were doublechecking the closest checkpoint in atleast. Generals, we are fighting a war..stop thinking the iraqi's got our backs. We still need to be vigilant over there!
Posted by: Highrise at January 23, 2007 2:06 AM
Smells of al Sadr, with the active help of Iran, and the silent complicity of Maliki.
Posted by: LoneRanger
Yes indeed it DOES!! We should take VENGEANCE!!
VENDETTA!!! RACHE!!!
Redeploy to the oil fields. Extract REPARATIONS.
Posted by: MeanieMo at January 23, 2007 2:15 AM
Sometimes I have to resort to watching our boys on you tube to make myself feel better after reading stuff like this article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV7JX5f2tRM
at January 23, 2007 2:20 AM
Even a hundred billion "Iraqis" are not worth . . .
. . . one US soldier, sailor, or Marine
I know, I know--even Michelle Malkin came back from Iraq praising what our service personnel is doing there, how some "Iraqi" troop units are reliable and dependable.
But do I care whether they "Iraqis" have sufficient schools, hospitals, electricity, Baghdad security . . . etc.?
Not really. If "Iraqis" can't--or are unwilling--to take care of themselves--after FIVE years since they were "freed" from the evil dictator--keeping them from killing each other, they can go to the devil--all of them.
Mind you, taking out Saddam was a "good thing."
But, bleeding us of troops, money, and the national will to survive to put that grotesque Humpty Dumpty ("Iraq") together again is not working--and will never work.
This effort, upon which President George W. Bush
is fixated, as if he were being hypnotized by a faulty 78 rpm record that keeps playing the same tired old tune from the early 'Nineties when Iraq was his father's (and the Saudis')nemesis, is as stale as a 5-year-old pretzel to be chomped on while listening.
I am not simply venting, nor taking a swipe at our President, who is beleaguered by his political opposition as well as members of his party. The point is that we have been split by the Iraq re-construction effort--polarized.
What bothers me is that I see young service personnel every day, I talk to them, and I do not want to see them die or come back maimed to mend the rift between Sunni and Shi'ites nor to give "Iraqi" children new schools nor healthcare--no matter how cute or lovable they might be.
I want our troops to defend this country so that it is not as vulnerable as it appears from every aspect. I want them to be fighters, not sacrificing their lives to give "Iraqis" a better life or a country.
If this is wrong, then I am wrong. If I am uncaring about the welfare of "Iraqis," then call me uncaring. If I care more about our troops than about building up an Islamic military, under an untrustworthy government, then you are catching my drift.
Posted by: unicorns62000
at January 23, 2007 3:12 AM
"I hope and pray that the President is briefed on this and it moves him to re-write the State of the Union address."
I doubt that Jorge El Presidente is briefed on anything that could potentially upset his tender little head.
The only thing Jorge can write is his signature.
at January 23, 2007 3:13 AM
No retreat or "deployment" (rapid pull-out), but at least realize that we are in an enemy country, not one filled with loving, reliable allies.
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 23, 2007 3:17 AM
How would you like to have your son, brother, or father die to make Karbala safe for the Ashura pilgrimage cum chain-swinging festivities?
Posted by: unicorns62000 at January 23, 2007 3:20 AM
Has anyone had any luck getting opinion pieces published in papers drawing attention to the underlying problem here, which is Islam? If anyone has any tips I am interested in hearing them. I have written and submitted numerous responses to articles and opinion pieces that draw attention to Islam but have had no luck getting them published. I assume people responsible for publishing these letters think that questioning what Islam is is tantamount to racism.
There seems to be something very Orwellian about the news coverage of Islam. If an Imam makes a speech that calls for followers to attack Jews, he can just say that the quote was taken out of context or was mistranslated. But the Koran is replete with teachings to do this exact thing. People lose their whole careers for dropping the "N" bomb but all of Islam is off limits even though its hate is spelled out in writing. It reminds me of the old joke of an army invading a country while walking backwards but telling the citizens of the invaded country that they are leaving.
at January 23, 2007 4:54 AM
Has there been, anywhere in Iraq, at any time, any "American-on-American violence" that any Iraqi has observed or has any reason to think would ever go on?
There was that time when a Muslim American sergeant murdered two fellow American officers with a grenade and then tried to murder others...
Posted by: remote_control at January 23, 2007 5:08 AM
These Moslems we're hoping will police themselves are the same ones who sit and watch as the Moslem activists they support spend a couple of minutes setting up IEDs... and don't report the bomb to the Americans.
The Iraqui Moslems don't want peace and freedom, they want Islam, which hates peace and freedom, and loves a good IED troop maiming in the morning for all to chuckle at. And a welfare check to boot.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2007 6:17 AM
There was that time when a Muslim American sergeant murdered two fellow American officers with a grenade and then tried to murder others...
Sergeant Hasan Akbar of the 101st Airborne. He was enraged at seeing the Army preparing to kill Moslem activists. The Sergeant committed his Jihad war murder in northern Kuwait, just before the invasion, by tossing a grenade "with a cool mind" and to "achieve maximum carnage into a command tent.
* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *
On the other hand, Hugh Hewitt offers the presence of Moslems in the US armed forces as ironclad proof that Moslems can be loyal Americans and moderate people.
Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 23, 2007 6:30 AM
""they assumed it was American-on-American violence and wanted to stay out of it."
......hmmmmm Just another way of saying "We ain't gonna help." Whenever there is a mass kidnapping, the kidnappers appear in police uniforms driving police vehicles...many times when there is a massacre (aka the Valentines Day Massacre) where the victims are lined up and shot, the killers are wearing police uniforms...many times a car carrying men wearing police uniforms gets close to an American vehicle and then it explodes...
If I am an American, I do not want to be within a mile of any Iraqi Police...I do not want to see them, I do not want to talk to them, and I do not want them guarding me....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 23, 2007 7:06 AM
""they assumed it was American-on-American violence and wanted to stay out of it."
......hmmmmm Just another way of saying "We ain't gonna help." Whenever there is a mass kidnapping, the kidnappers appear in police uniforms driving police vehicles...many times when there is a massacre (aka the Valentines Day Massacre) where the victims are lined up and shot, the killers are wearing police uniforms...many times a car carrying men wearing police uniforms gets close to an American vehicle and then it explodes...
If I am an American, I do not want to be within a mile of any Iraqi Police...I do not want to see them, I do not want to talk to them, and I do not want them guarding me....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 23, 2007 7:12 AM
Those responsible for this should be found and given a summary execution away from media scrutiny. No Gitmo, no publicity-just a quick execution.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 23, 2007 7:42 AM
Ring fence the entire country and let them fight it out between themselves - democracy my arse - these Iraqis are just taking the piss
Posted by: johnmac at January 23, 2007 8:31 AM
Assalamau Laikum all,
If this story is true then this is more worrying for the Amerike than you think.
I personally don't belive aspects of this story...you peoples need to calm down.....boiling blood can lead to rash decisions...and heart attacks and strokes. Jesus PBUH only knows that there are enough obese Amerike dying anyway...no need to add to it is there?
I mean think about it...American military uniforms maybe you can get ...but what about the Humvees....It's not as if they can be got hold of easily...is it?
Unless ofcourse you have Amerike Humvee drivers who are traitors to your flag.
So yes 5 soldiers may well have been killed but I think these peoples who killed them were not Iraqi...their english accents would have been spotted a mile away....I mean how easilay do you think an Iraqi could speak American English with a southern state twang....think about it!
No I think this was an American operation upon an American installation and American soldiers.
The likely hood is that these traitors are still mingling around...sorry to say this but ....now you need to find these traitors ASAP....or risk another lot being killed here and there.
Best of British as they say!!!
Posted by: Naseem at January 23, 2007 10:25 AM
I continue to ask myself "Why should I care how many Iraqis Saddam killed"? Obviously the "brave" Iraqis now killing their liberators did not care.
It does not matter if we (USA) kill a million or zero, we will still be hated by our "brave" Iraqi people.
at January 23, 2007 10:41 AM
I think this article illustrates that the ROP is, in fact, a cult, a demonic, unprincipled, death worshipping cult. And cultists murdering other cultists (as in Shiites vs Sunnis) should be no one's concern -- especially not Americans. Let them kill each other -- it's what they do and know best. It is an exercise in futility for the Americans or British to attempt to civilize this cult of savages.
Posted by: J.S. at January 23, 2007 11:03 AM
This is what happens when we take the best-trained soldiers in the world and turn them into rookie policemen.
Let the Iraqis be policemen and be responsible for their own "security," as they only need to be protected from each other.
Let the American and British soldiers be soldiers. Their job is to kill people and break things.
In more professional terms, the objective of police is to locate and arrest. The objective of the military is to close with and destroy the enemy. Let the soldiers be soldiers.
Posted by: texan at January 23, 2007 11:08 AM
"I hope and pray that the President is briefed on this and it moves him to re-write the State of the Union address."
More likely he will have Iraqi citizens and military in the audience and Bush will tell their stories of how they are working to bring freedom to their home country and the people in Congress will give them a standing ovation.
My question is: why is a single solitary Muslim even allowed INTO the US at this point in time?
"Fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" is hogwash.
You don't have to fight them over here if YOU DON"T LET THEM COME HERE.
Maybe some peace-loving Muslims will be unfairly denied access to the US, but over 3,000 people were unfairly denied access to life by Muslims on a beautiful September day over five years ago. Those Muslims were helped along by innumerable other Muslims who knew what they were planning and kept their mouths shut.
Iraqis have been keeping their mouths shut about the insurgent groups since the day we entered. We've cut them slack because of the tyranny they lived under, how they got along by keeping quiet, etc. When do we say enough is enough?
Who cares if we created that mess? (Not that we did, Iraq was pretty peaceful the day that statue was brought down by SUNNIs.) If our leaving is the price they pay then they're getting off easy. And besides, life isn't always fair. Get used to it.
at January 23, 2007 11:20 AM
When will we learn?? This isn't about nationality. "Iraqi" police or security or armed forces will NEVER be loyal to the kaffir. How stupid do we have to be to grab these savages off the street, put 'em in a uniform and stick an M16 in their excited little hands, and then expect them to watch our backs? Do we really think that a sense of honor or nationalistic pride will make these assholes act contrary to their islamic teachings?
Sheer ignorance!
Posted by: Know Your Enemy at January 23, 2007 11:44 AM
"I mean how easilay do you think an Iraqi could speak American English with a southern state twang....think about it!"
Language and the acting arts are a learned thing...it is entirely possible....I may be able to speak a few lines in Farsi and with the proper costume I could pass as Iranian...
MR Chavez of Venezuela is training Iranians to speak Spanish and to cross the US borders while appearing to be latinos..The skin color is about the same and our border security is a joke..
...Islam is all about deceit, It has been deceiving people for 1400 years , especially its own people, Why has every Muslim led country been a poverty stricken failure....think about it!!!..
Posted by: exsgtbrown
at January 23, 2007 11:49 AM
"that there are enough obese Amerike dying anyway"
well, that is true...but may be because many Americans are lazy, don't exercise, and have plenty of food grown by the farmers of the country. In Islamic lands, Muslims have systematically destroyed their farms, devasted their forests, ruined irrigation canals, failed to provide for their people (demanding , demanding , demanding they support the Islamic government--kinda like the Democrats telling the people they need to follow the dictates of the government and let the government take care of you.) Muslims are starving in Muslim lands because of Islam...so Islam is reaching out to conquer that lands and civilizations that were smart enough to conserve the land and practice great agricultural practices...
...Americans are fat, because they want to be...
at January 23, 2007 12:14 PM
They destroy Gods green Earth, they take over the job of God and make their own judgments on everyone else. And then they think that praying five times a day will make it all ok. The only thing that surprises me is that they don’t pray six times a day. 666. No problem, the fact that they destroy everything they touch only shows that when the real battle starts and the food shipments stop, we do after all have many fat Americans to feed, they will implode. Just think how they will slaughter each other when they are fighting over bread crumbs, not land.
Posted by: tgusa at January 23, 2007 12:53 PM
How would you like to have your son, brother, or father die to make Karbala safe for the Ashura pilgrimage cum chain-swinging festivities?
Posted by: unicorns62000
I think that is the sort of PC mission that we are insane enough to conduct. Let's get out now and let them kill each other. Why do we care to make the world safe for islam?!
what is WRONG with George Bush?
islam and democracy don't mix.
It's the koran, stupid. Hang 'em high!
Posted by: MeanieMo at January 23, 2007 1:15 PM
Why does Nazeem keep posting here? S/he is not going to change anyone's mind about how we think of pigslam. S/he only serves to deepen our convictions. That's why I don't go on islamist websites to post. Maybe a little mahomet = terrorism dig here or there but nothing longer than that. They're so brainwashed so why bother reasoning with these Mo-clones.
And I'd HATE to see any American die over there for any reason other than having them in this or other Western countries.
Posted by: MeanieMo at January 23, 2007 1:21 PM
PMK said
You don't have to fight them over here if YOU DON"T LET THEM COME HERE.
Truer words were never spoken.
Posted by: special_guest at January 23, 2007 1:33 PM
what is WRONG with George Bush?
Posted by: MeanieMo at January 23, 2007 01:15 PM
He hasn't read that lovely Koran yet. Or any of Robert Spencer's easy to understand books. Or visited this site. Until these things come to pass
he simply won't get it.
at January 23, 2007 1:35 PM
MeanieMo
Morale buster, that’s what they think at least. They come here trying to sow discord. They try to scare any that they can or say something outrageous trying to provoke a response. Forget about them, pay them the attention they deserve which is none. They wouldn’t even be posting here unless they were living free or had their gubments/mullahs approval.
at January 23, 2007 1:40 PM
Mitch - yes, I've been published in the metropolitian paper and the three-time-a-week local suburban paper many times.
What I do is this: keep it between 250 and 300 words (hard) and back-door into statements about Islam through some issue: the Moussaoui trial, the Supreme Court decision on enemy combatants, Darfur and Kofi Annan... et cetera.
I start with these issues, then move into Islam.
I did send in an editorial directly lambasting Mohammed and calling Islam evil, but I decided not to have it published when the editor called to verify my identity. My concern for the well being of my two daughters made me stop short. Maybe I will have one like it published sometime, but I failed to meet the challenge the first time ...
I write them all the time and have had five or six published in the last one and a half years. I've been writing one a week and sending to the 'big' daily here, but now I'm not getting the response on each one like I used to. Too many....
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 23, 2007 2:05 PM
Meanie Mo,
Tgusa is right. I see no reason to respond to or waste time with the Hanoi Hannah/Tokyo Rose-type trolls on this site. I agree with you. I can't imagine who they think they will win over. Just ignore their BS and keep talking and making good points. We all know who the real enemy is or none of us would be here in the first place.
Posted by: A.I. Steamroller at January 23, 2007 6:41 PM
Ok, ok, I advocate that during our outreach for the democratic diplomacy initiative, that we build a green zone for the green zone.
Get-em outta there and drop the bomb !
Posted by: Jeff at January 23, 2007 10:14 PM
In response to MITCH_B and his post.
First of all LOL ... i love that joke.Maybe that should be the PLAN....LOL.
Bush should have just marched all our soldiers backwards into iraq and afgahanastan waving and then give the speach that our military was now leaving thier lands.......LOL.
As far as your question of how to get your say on islam printed in the local paper,im guessing.The ways to do so must include (1. Reporting the numbers killed in a day by the cretens.
2) Write an opinion about your personal plumber "butt crack ahchmed" and how he is a really nice muslim.
3)Write an article saying how islam has been hijacked and not all muslims are terrorists.
4)Write an article condemning the profiling of muslims.
5)write an article condemning the racism affecting the muslims.
6)Write an article condemning israel for attacking the religion of peace and not giving back the land they stole.
7) write an article that tells of all the innocent people the U.S. and the coalition armies have purposely killed.
8)write an article Blaming the U.S. and israel for all the worlds woes.
9)Write an article of how wicked the west is and how moral the middle east is.
10) write an article stating that what islam is doing today is just thier culture.
There are many more ways but if you plan to tell the truth about islam.Start a newspaper and be the owner/editer and write on....just do not forget to insure it......heavily.
Why insure it heavily? Because the horde hates to hear the truth.The truth of what they have become and they will kill all that exposes the truth about islam.Islam is just dragging it's feet down the green mile.If you don't know what the green mile is....well it's the end.Dead men walking.
Posted by: Dar al-harb at January 23, 2007 11:25 PM
'they assumed it was American-on-American violence and wanted to stay out of it.'"
Yeah, just like America should assume the situation in Iraq is Iraqi on Iraqi violence and should also stay out of it.
at January 24, 2007 12:43 AM
Hugh, you perfectly sum up my disgust and intense disappointment in this Administration. I still cannot believe that ALL of the voices Bush is listens to, not one has given him a halfway truthful summary of Islam. Can they ALL be braindead. It is not that hard to figure out even if you are surrounded by squawking hens like Lewis and Esposito and their ilk. Surely someone at the Pentagon can see the real picture about Islam. They cannot all be fools. It is jsut not possible. Lesson one. Know your enemy. Lesson two. Divide your enemy. What about Islam, do you know Mo's simple command to his followers - it's fine to pillage and murder the others, and to take everything of theirs as the Muslim's rightful booty. it's blessed. That's it. Islam summed up in 1 sentence for those who have no attention span. Lesson two, work FOR intramuslim strife, stir it up and make it waste it $, tongue, deception and lives killing each other. Bush, let the Muslims kill each other. Why are you so determined to have Muslims kill infidels? You, Bush, are a fool. Five frigging years, and still has not cracked open a Spencer book, a Bat Ye'or, a Andrew Bostom. You should be ashamed to call yourself our President.
Posted by: John Sobieski at January 24, 2007 1:47 AM
"I mean how easilay do you think an Iraqi could speak American English with a southern state twang....think about it!"
...Just for the record Muslims recruit foreigners to participate in "jihad". It is quite possible there were worthless converts in the group....
at January 24, 2007 10:33 AM
The silence about this story in most U.S. news sources is profound.
Posted by: MP at January 24, 2007 12:30 PM
This paper exposes Iran’s influence in Iraq.
http://www.jamestown.org/docs/Jamestown-IranContributionIraq.pdf
Source: The Jamestown Foundation
Some other links, which help illuminate the ongoing agenda:
http://jihadwatch.org/
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
http://www.frontpagemag.com
http://www.debka.com/
http://www.debka-net-weekly.com/
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/
www.ict.org.il
www.martinkramer.org
www.meria.idc.ac.il
www.memri.org
http://www.globalterroralert.com/
http://www.lauramansfield.com/cc.htm
http://www.labat.co.il/
http://www.e-prism.org/
http://www.jamestown.org/
at January 25, 2007 7:50 AM
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