"This rhetoric provokes trouble," said Abdul-Hussein,"

You should see what bullets and car bombs do....One sect ambushes the other, retaliation is quick. Next day..repeat the process..

Muslim upon Muslim violence...Islam the Religion of Peace....

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 30, 2007 12:45 PM

Hye, all they need is a "race relations act" like they have in England now. oh silly me, islam is not a race it's a cult.. errrr.. religion?

LET THEM WAGE WAR AMONGST THEMSELVES!!!!!

Just keep them far away from US!!

Any of them who are in our lands and get violent should be THROWN OUT and barred from coming back forever!!

We should in fact remove rturkey from teh European part it occupies and restore the rightful owners to the land.. Greece and Bulgaria. Konstantinopoulos should be RETAKEN and handed to Greece!!

We feel humiliated and put down. Can the multiKKKulturalists please feel the pain of us humiliated EuropeONS and help us restore our dignity?

We are the underdogs. So act accordingly you leftists!!

After we retake Europe.. LET US BUILD FORTRESSES and WALLS!!! Take China's Wall as an example. Israel should make their wall much higher. They need to double it and have dog patrols in the center strip. They also need to have an underground shield running underneath their wall.

Sorry, MoFoes.. if you weren't so damn violent noone would even THINK of this stuff!!

All you have to lose is the KKKoran and signal that you are ready to live in peace with the Rest of the World.

For that you will need to apologize to the many nations and peoples whom you have massacred and defiled... and whose hospitality you have so cynically abused.

Until then!!!

We need walls and arms to KEEP THEM OUT!!!!!

Posted by: MeanieMo at January 30, 2007 12:59 PM

QATIF, Saudi Arabia -- "Like many Saudi Shi'ites, Abdullah Abdul-Hussein is worried that if the government does not end anti-Shi'ite tirades by influential Sunni clerics, the sectarian conflict ravaging Iraq and threatening Lebanon could spread to his country."

Fingers crossed, hoping to God that this actually happens. There cannot be enough Muslim on Muslim violence to sate me.

That is the main, if only, reason to allow Shia dominated Iran to stand and exist. There is no logical or strategical reason for the West to want to see Saudi Arabia, the greatest Islamic enemy of all, left unopposed.

Long live the Sunni, Shia rift!!

Posted by: awake at January 30, 2007 1:05 PM

What the heck? You mean the Saudi sunnis ain't killed off the Saudi shiites yet? What's stopping them?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 30, 2007 1:16 PM

We are all citizens of the same country. The government should not allow such excess.

I disagree. The Moslems, well into the process of reducing our free speech, must themselves therefore enjoy totally unfettered speech. Otherwise, how can we enjoy our recent diminution?

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 30, 2007 1:44 PM

World-wide Sunni-Shi'ite violence would be the best Channukah present we could get. The Ka'ba in Mecca was occupied and nearly destroyed back in the 80's when Shi'ites occupied it and the Sunni's went in to "secure it". Would be great if that could happen on a yearly basis.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 30, 2007 2:21 PM

Really, they could slaughter eachother day and night and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at January 30, 2007 2:23 PM

"The Ka'ba in Mecca was occupied and nearly destroyed back in the 80's..."
-- from a posting above

No. You are confusing the Ka'aba -- the black cube within which lies the Holy Stone, a meteorite -- one of many in Arabia that Arabs of the Jahaliya worshipped -- with the Grand Mosque.

And that Mosque was seized, and not "nearly destroyed," not in the 1980s but in late November 1979, and it took several weeks, and finally a detachment of hastily-"reverted" French soldiers, to finally recapture the Mosque from the determined group that seized it.

Posted by: Hugh at January 30, 2007 2:36 PM

S_sgt7, you have exposed the elephant in the living room. There was a spate of Sunni/Shiite vandalism in the US after Saddam's necktie party.
There is a very strong possibility that Sunnis and Shiites will go after each other here. Mulsims in the US and Europe have strong ties to their home country. When someone's uncle or grandfather is slaughtered back in Moronica, there will be retaliation in this country or Europe. Our police will be forced into the middle of a worldwide violent domestic dispute. Local politicians will wring their hands because they have been conned into believing the Religion of Peace crap and will not understand that there is no stopping it. Some idiot city council member, somewhere, will most likely propose midnight basketball as a diversion to stop what cannot be stopped.

Posted by: Pelayo at January 30, 2007 2:37 PM

Hugh wrote: No. You are confusing the Ka'aba -- the black cube within which lies the Holy Stone, a meteorite -- one of many in Arabia that Arabs of the Jahaliya worshipped -- with the Grand Mosque.

No, I'm not. I speak Arabic and know that Ka'ba (or kaaba) means = cube and that contains the al-hajarul Aswad (the meteorite worshiped by the Muslims). But you are correct, I was getting the two events confused; the 1979 takeover by Sunni militants (which was before my time) and the 1986 violence against the Shi'ites (which I vaguely remember).

Either way, thanks for the update and correction on the events.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 30, 2007 2:53 PM

"This rhetoric provokes trouble," said Abdul-Hussein, referring to recent statements from key members in Saudi Arabia's clerical establishment that have urged Sunnis around the world to expel Shi'ites from their lands.

Obviously they are worried.
Obviously so ,becasue they know their religion Islam well and know how violent it is.
Obviously they are worried now that the jihad or violence they financed to cause trouble to other religion now may suddenly become their problem ,simply becasue they know how fanatical their own religion is .

Posted by: Indiana_jones at January 30, 2007 3:27 PM

Seymour Paine posted: Really, they could slaughter each other day and night and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep.

I would be watching it on TV, and would lose a lot of sleep as a result.

Posted by: DP111 at January 30, 2007 5:08 PM

Hmmmm Muslim outrage at Dutch cartoons. Muslim outrage over jokes about pedophile Muhammed, but only "troubled" about murderous Islamic religious war.

Perfect description of the bassackwards mentality of all in Islam. 9 11 brings cheers, beheading is great tv, outrage over nonsense and only troubled about Islamic religiouscide.

Posted by: Lame Cherry

Makes perfect sense. They've told us they crave death. The most important thing is the faith. Human life is way down there, maybe one step above eating pork. Their priorities are perfectly reflected in the things that make them mad. You know, it's hard to believe that they're at all "troubled" about religious violence. It's just more deception.

Posted by: PMK at January 30, 2007 6:07 PM

Remember they are so backward they can't even begin to see the future, its not going to be pretty because our patience does have a limit , then they get what they get!!!

Posted by: OLD SARGE at January 30, 2007 7:30 PM

What is especially bothersome is that the majority of Saudi Arabia's Shiite population lives in the Eastern Province. Now why is the Eastern Province so important? well that's where Saudi Aramco is headquartered and where all the oil lies under the ground. The main shipping terminal is Ras Tanura just up the coast from Qatif.

I've worked in the area. The local Shiites are suppressed by the Sunnis and the Sunnis are worried that the Saudi Shiites would unite with their brethren

so if the troubles start in the Eastern Province you will have real problems in the oil fields

Posted by: pak152 at January 30, 2007 8:44 PM

Hate seeks to extinguish itself
The Islamic created hell generates more hate
Like a fireball rolling over a sea of gasoline
Creating a bonfire for the purpose
Of extigushing this evil mutation
From our human experience.

Posted by: Briars at January 30, 2007 10:15 PM

QATIF, Saudi Arabia -- Like many Saudi Shi'ites, Abdullah Abdul-Hussein is worried that if the government does not end anti-Shi'ite tirades by influential Sunni clerics, the sectarian conflict ravaging Iraq and threatening Lebanon could spread to his country.
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our prayers are working.............

Posted by: Texican at January 31, 2007 12:07 AM

All of it -- inevitable.

All of it -- predictable.

All of it -- predicted.

Posted by: Hugh at January 31, 2007 12:26 AM

"Saudi Shi'ites troubled by Sunni rhetoric"

So long as Sunni rhetoric lambasted Christians and Jews, one was hard pressed to find any "troubled" Shi'ites.

Posted by: rational at January 31, 2007 12:47 AM

Subject: Fw: Description of War (what main-stream media is not getting right)

We can't form "informed" opinions without accurate information. This medic is articulate, smart, and insightful.

From a medic in Iraq.

Following the article I sent about Bush's national address and troop increase, I thought it was a good idea to let you all know what the perspective is over here. I'm tired of hearing the media's skewed version, the politicians squabbling over what they read in a report, and the average ill-informed American ranting about things he knows NOTHING about.

I've been over here a couple of months now, and I've learned more about this country than a year's worth of watching CNN. I've sat in mission briefs with Colonels, talked with village elders, had tea with Sheiks, played with the kids. And I agree with the President. We need more troops and we need to take greater action.

There are 3 major factions here. The Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds. The Shiites are in the majority, but Saddam was a Sunni, so he kept the Shiites in check. Everyone hates the Kurds, who are Christian and in the vast minority. The Kurds received the brunt of Saddam's murderoustyranny. Now that Saddam is gone, the Shiites have taken control of Baghdad. The largely peaceful Sunnis are now the victims of radical Shiite terrorism. So the young Sunni men, who can no longer go to workand support their families, do what all young men would do. They join
the Sunni militia and battle the Shiites. And thus the country sits on the brink of civil war.

But this war is between them. They largely do not concern themselves with the U.S. troops. The insurgents who battle the Coalition Forces are from outside the country. And the biggest problem down here isn't the insurgents. Its the politicians. The local politicians. Even though the country is controlled by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, downtown Baghdad is controlled by radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The Shiites follow al-Sadr and thus the Prime Minister does what al-Sadr says. Think of it as if a warlord controlled New York and blackmailed
the President into diplomatic immunity.

When 1st Cav (mainly 2/5 Cav) came here in 2004, they took downtown Baghdad (known as Sadr City) by force. It cost many lives, but after a year, we held an iron grip on the largest insurgent breeding ground in Iraq. The insurgents were afraid of the Horse People, and rightfully so.
But when 1st Cav left, al-Sadr influenced the Prime Minister to kick out the Coalition forces from that area of Baghdad. He said the Iraqi military forces could hold the city. But all that happened was al-Sadr regained control of his city, and it is now a heavily guarded fortress.
A place where insurgents and terrorists can train and stockpile arms.
And we cannot go back in because the Prime Minister won't let us. Our hands are tied.

So where does al-Sadr get his backing? From Iran and Syria. Iran
supplies him with money and Syria supplies the terrorists. The
insurgents that battle the Coalition Forces are from Syria, Somalia and dozens of other places outside of Iraq. Iraq is literally a terrorist breeding ground. They have terrorist and sniper schools here. Why not?
They train by teaching them to attack the military forces here. And they have an endless supply of these training tools. They have factoriessetup in Sadr City to build bombs. Both Iran and Syria have openly proclaimed their number one goal in life is to destroy the great Western Devil and the little Western Devil (America and Britain). Iran wants to control Iraq to further this purpose. Al-Sadr will get to "run" the country and live like a king, but in reality, iran will pull the puppet strings. Iran will have access to thousands of radical Shiites who will do whatever al-Sadr tells them to. And Iraq will be used as a breeding ground for terrorism. Terrorism that will be targeted directly
at America and Britain. The Iraq Study Group advised we should let Iran and Syria help with rebuilding? Bravo to President Bush for striking that idea down and vowing to keep those two countries out of Iraq.

So how do the Iraqi people feel about everything? Of course they don't want the Americans here. But they would far rather have us here than the Iranians. My platoon visited an average Sunni village on a patrol a few
days ago. Their only source of income was to farm, as they could not go to the city to work for fear of violence. Many of the young men had already run off to join the militia for no other reason than to feed their families. They had no school or hospital near them and the community was dying. The village elder's granddaughter was very sick and I was able to treat her. Afterwards he invited me and my Platoon Leader to sit in his house and have tea with him, and we talked about the situation. The people want peace. The Shiites kill the Sunnis because al-Sadr tells them to do so. The Sunnis fight back because they have no choice.
They are glad Saddam is dead (Sunni or not), but do not want to replace him with another dictator in a politician's clothes (which is what al-Sadr will become). And they especially don't want Iran in charge.Many innocent Iraqis will die if this happens. These are the words that came out of the elder's mouth:

"We do not want America here, and America does not want to be here. But you cannot leave because the militias control the country. America must use the might of its giant army and sweep through, root out and destroy the militias. Then Iraq can be free and you can leave."

What appears to have happened within our diplomatic community, is that Prime Minister finally realizes that his days are numbered. If al-Sadr remains, he will be kicked to the curb. So hopefully he is about to allow us to reenter Sadr City, root out and destroy the enemy. A dramatic troop increase will allow us to do this. And the Horse People are back and ready to finish what they started over 2 years ago.

If leave now, it will be a failure for democracy. Iran will con toll
Iraq and the end result will be more terrorist attacks on America. The American people don't want soldiers dying over here, but its better than
American civilians dying over there. Do NOT forget 9/11. They will do it again. The moment we loosen our grip on the noose, they will do it again. And the only way to root out the evil here is to stop beating around the bush, increase troops and destroy the insurgents once and for
all. The Iraqi government cannot do this on their own. The Iraqi
security forces are inadequate for this task. We are the only ones who can stop al-Sadr.

Feel free to share this with whomever wants a real soldier's opinion about the war.

SPC "Doc" 2/5 Cav, 1st CB

Posted by: freetoBEfree at January 31, 2007 2:17 AM

freetoBEfree,

Thank you for posting this, very interesting. It looks very much to me as stated, and Iran is really in control of much of Iraq at this time. This must be corrected, and then we can see where to go from there.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at January 31, 2007 3:43 AM

Why do I feel like we're just pulling Islam into the 21st century ? Maybe some kind of border control to keep Islam isolated from the rest of the world would be better ? It's obvious they don't like us or our way of living....that would be a hell of a thing to enforce, we can't even keep the Mexicans from infiltrating the U.S. ?

Posted by: Jeff at January 31, 2007 6:43 AM

"Why do I feel like we're just pulling Islam into the 21st century "

.....I think Islam is pulling us into the 7th century...I am beginning to believe their saying "kill them where you find them."

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 31, 2007 7:48 AM

All of it -- inevitable.

All of it -- predictable.

All of it -- predicted.

Posted by: Hugh at January 31, 2007 12:26 AM
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Hugh said volumes in just 12 words............

Posted by: Texican at January 31, 2007 9:50 AM