"an Ivy League-educated doctor..."
-- from the article above

Why is that worth mentioning?

Posted by: Hugh at January 31, 2007 10:16 AM

"Dr. Rafiq Abdus Sabir, an Ivy League-educated doctor...."

Once again, medicine is learned in the West in order to help its enemies. Don't they have medical colleges in cesspoolia (ones that treat sick people that is, not ones that work on biological weapons)? Probably not-there's not enough room for such colleges with all those madrassas being built to spew forth more jihadist crap. The West just never learns-it lets all these "students" come in to learn Western techniques, then gets shocked and appalled when these techniques are used against it. The West just keeps right on enabling Islamania to kill it.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 10:19 AM

A western education for a true believer only makes him a more efficient and capable jihadi. Western education will not convert or moderate a true believer. It's a mistake to think that people will be able to connect the good things and bounty of the western free world to the principles at the foundation of those nations.

You can't have all the goodies & destructive power of the western nations without the principles which guide western nations.

It's not an accident that the western-style representative republics with their guaranteed protection of minority and individual rights ONLY developed in the West. It's not by chance that ONLY in the western-style representative gov'ts that rule of law is the norm, with due process, an independent judiciary and application of impartial law to enforce contracts and protect property rights has come into being.

Just as it's no accident that the nations under sharia have ended up the way they are.

The performance of nations in any objective measurement is due to systems: the local government and what guides people through life ( aka the thought systems they live by )

Disparity in Results.

Case in Point: Haiti and the Dominican Republic occupy different sides of the same island. Haiti is a denuded garbage dump and is hell on earth to live in while the Dominican Republic has forest reserves and exports cigars and world-class baseball players. Another example: genetically, the people of India and Pakistan are very similar if not directly related. The reason for the growing success of India and the growing balkanization of Pakistan is the difference in belief systems. Islamic beliefs regress, bankrupt and fragment Pakistan while India grows stronger in trading and exchanging knowledge with the free world.

What causes huge disparity in results worldwide? Governance and belief systems. The world will continue to experience cholera, genocide, child starvation, oppression of women and minorities and the rest of the preventable tragedies associated with The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse until the world as a whole demands more from local governments. The scourge that comes out of places like Darfur, Sudan, Tehran, Iran and Pyongyong, North Korea will continue as it always has until leaders and belief systems used to control people are held accountable as the root cause of death and destruction.

If the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, a founding document of the United Nations, were to be honored by every regime on Earth we'd have something to be proud of as members of the Human Race.

The UN needs to start enforcing its own standards and removing members not meeting them. Having a seat at the UN should not be a 'right'. A seat and a voice need to be earned through measurable, objective results.

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 31, 2007 10:35 AM

Hmmmm, injured fighters. No doubt they will still go to heaven, since they fought for Allah, but will they receive the full complement of 72 virgins (and the "boys like pearls"), or is there some sliding scale of numbers of virgins vs. severity of injuries? Maybe the loss of both legs might entitle one to a 1/2 share -- 36; but the loss of one little finger would only rate 2 or 3? Assuming for the sake of argument that Viet Nam was a jihad, how many virgins would Senator Kerry's Purple Heart wounds earn him in paradise?

Posted by: ebonystone at January 31, 2007 10:42 AM

This is highly disconcerting. How many others like this doctor are out there? With academe's push for a diverse population with no regard for what these peoples' beliefs are, (remember the Yale student who has ties to some terror organization that was in the news last year?) we are penalizing students who one would suspect/hope are at least a little patriotic and harming our nation in the process. I'd be curious to have some info on some students who were not admitted to this Ivy League school because of this traitor.

Another problem is the incessant drumbeat in our schools that America and its ideals are not only no better but generally worse than those of every other type of government/belief system.

It is worrisome that, unlike when my parents, children of immigrants who were taught at home and through the school system and prevailing societal attitudes that America was worth fighting for and believing in, today's children of immigrants are only hearing how awful and hypocritical America is and has been from its founding.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at January 31, 2007 10:42 AM

I think we should go into Mecca and split the Kaaba in half. Take one half to Disneyland and the other to Euro-Disney.

Not only will they be unable to direct their prayers, we can set those things up as scenery on stage and do Mickey Mouse hajjis. And Muslims can still do the real hajj, well, half a hajj, but they'd have to pay the 100 bucks to get in. Well, we can give them a little deal if they buy 100,000,000 tickets as a package.

Posted by: Beauty is manifest at January 31, 2007 10:47 AM

"an Ivy League-educated doctor..."

Why is that worth mentioning?

I’m sure you know that Ivy League schools and their counterparts outside the northeast — Georgetown, Duke, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, Stanford — and MIT in the northeast, supposedly render a superior product. Of course this is no longer true, if it ever was.

In fact, my theory is that finishing schools turn out an inferior product, for these reasons:

* A finishing school degree confers automatic success in almost all fields, so the alumnus is a pompous head case who demands being treated as an elite from the outset, even if basically a good person. For example, I have an ex-brother law who actually travels the globe with the Stanford Registry in his suitcase. He prefers to consort with his own kind.

* Finishing schools have gone off the deep end, effectively leaving reality behind in their arrogant pursuit of post-modern Marxist deconstructionism. In other words, those of us who actually do see reality do so cuz we aren’t smart enough to understand the pretzel logic nonsense peddled by finishing school alumni.

* Much as the urge for sex spreads syphillis, being dazzled by an actual finishing school diploma causes innocent folk to allow themselves to misled into nonsensical catastrophes. As evidence of this I submit to you the work product of the State Dept and the CIA.

610 * 623 * 732 * 1066 * 1215 * 1453 * 1492 * 1683 * 1928 * 1938 * 1948 * 1996 * 2001

My theory is of course a generalization with exceptions, but generalization is the basis of human language, which in turn is the basis of logic.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at January 31, 2007 10:53 AM

Hugh posted:

"an Ivy League-educated doctor..."
-- from the article above

Why is that worth mentioning?"

An Ivy league doctor rounded up 'along with a New York jazz musician, a Brooklyn bookstore owner and a former Washington, D.C., cabdriver.'

If the article had been slanted toward sympathy for the doctor, then we should have been appalled at how the wrong fish wound up in the net.

It wasn't slanted that way though (and Larry Neumeister gets a pat on the back)

I come away from the article with the conclusion that collaborators cut through all levels of society, and feel the same outrage expressed by posters above that an vaunted Ivy League education got wasted on the likes of this guy, and how terrorism and sympathy for it aren't only confined to the disadvantaged.

Posted by: freedomschool at January 31, 2007 10:58 AM

Hugh! I was about to comment on precisely that phrase. "An Ivy League-educated doctor" is worth knowing because it tells us (again) that those who believe in the divinity of the Koran (and the protection and license it gives the believer) is not restricted to the socially marginal.

It is interesting that you objected to the phrase, as if you were saying, "Why are we giving credence to an Al Quaeda symphathesizer, why are we suggesting that Al Quaeda-ism has a respectable pedigree?" In a way, your objection is frightening.

Posted by: StillBreathing at January 31, 2007 11:07 AM

Dr. Rafiq Abdus Sabir..... This clown is a native born Black Muslim of some kind. One must always specify if native born because the UK is lousy with Jamaican converts to Islam. The universal faith for the wacko-lumpen. We have some here (USA) too. The gift from Allah that keeps on giving, like the clap

Posted by: dennisw at January 31, 2007 11:24 AM

"Our nations really need to think about the word 'traitor' again and start giving them military trials, and let the military deal with them as traitors".

s_sgt7 at January 31, 2007 10:44 AM

This would be a welcome development. Treason has gone from being a crime to being a badge of honor for dishonorable losers. No wonder Islamaniacs do what they feel like, as do their lapdogs-if it's not a crime, they can't be punished.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 11:25 AM

I wonder , if he is at or near the actual fighting, how long would it be before he is handed an AK-47, or asked to help assemble explosives for bombs, or asked to do some reconnaisance, or to drive a car used in kidnapping some poor soon to be dead soul..

Would he pass information on the fighters locations and identities to the coalition forces?

If he were in a position to warn the coalition forces of a pending ambush, would he do so?

I think I would consider him an enemy combatant...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 31, 2007 11:29 AM

By the way. The wounded enemy combatants have the option of surrendering and being well treated in a MASH unit of the US ARMY....This doctors services are not really needed...

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 31, 2007 11:31 AM

Cesspoolia? Shouldn't that be cesspoolistan ;-)

Posted by: aynrandgirl at January 31, 2007 11:36 AM

When a man has violated the laws in a foreign country (outside of the western world), he must pay for it regardless, sometimes with his life. Considering how frivolous the violation was, Fay, an America youth could not escape the punishment, though he received a much lighter punishment than what the laws would have administered to him, see http://www.corpun.com/awfay9405.htm

The following shows how the two Australians pay with their life, caught in transit, while Singapore was not even their point of destination, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4487366.stm

In the case of Fay, had he been an Asian, he would have an indelible pain the rest of his life. What would have been administered to him is, the flaying with acid soaked canes. When a stripe is applied, the wound will be allowed to burn, fester, and slowly heal, for inflicting a lasting pain as long as six months, during which time the law violator will not be able to sleep on his back, due to pain. Where in the subsequent six months he will be allowed to recover strength, only to get ready for the next striping. Looking at how foreign governments punish their citizens, you should be able to see that our justice system is a total mockery.

Posted by: ssa at January 31, 2007 11:46 AM

Cesspoolia? Shouldn't that be cesspoolistan ;-)

Posted by: aynrandgirl at January 31, 2007 11:36 AM

Hmm, that's a good point. The problem is calling the inhabitants "cesspoolistanis"-so awkward and easy to misspell!

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 11:47 AM

"Hugh! I was about to comment on precisely that phrase. "An Ivy League-educated doctor" is worth knowing because it tells us (again) that those who believe in the divinity of the Koran (and the protection and license it gives the believer) is not restricted to the socially marginal.

It is interesting that you objected to the phrase, as if you were saying, "Why are we giving credence to an Al Quaeda symphathesizer, why are we suggesting that Al Quaeda-ism has a respectable pedigree?" In a way, your objection is frightening."
-- from a posting above

You misunderstood my laconic point. It had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda or a thousand other similar groups and groupuscules. It had to do with the worshipful phrase "Ivy-League-educated."
This kind of thing promotes the silly and hollow hierarchies that have now become the stuff of U.S. News and World Report legend (the "Best" Colleges, the "Best" Graduate Schools, the "Best" of this and that), but the legend, alas, is devoutly believed in by many, and that is one reason that the high school semi-farce becomes so worrisome, what with all that planning, and scheming, and the summer "visiting colleges" ("Dick is going to take Kimberley to visit colleges in California while I stay home with Josh"), and the SSATs, and the SATs, and how many Advanced-Placement Tests did you take, and what were your scores, and what are your "reach" schools, and what are your "safeties, and do they force Early-Admission on you or can you wait and so on and so hysterically and maddeningly forth.

It's all part of marketing. It's all part of getting people -- students and parents -- to be so grateful for getting in to this or that place, that they will ignore the outrageous cost of attendance, ignore the crappiness of so many of the course and so many of the faculty members, as they proudly tell their friends about the college their child attends, and even put a sticker on the car, to proclaim urbi et orbi this marvellous event.

Meanwhile, somewhere, and somehow, a few people do still manage to give themselves, sometimes with a little help from some inspired faculty members, a real education.

That was what my comment was about.

That, and nothing else.

Posted by: Hugh at January 31, 2007 12:22 PM

When I was a freshman, my professor complained about his difficulties in getting a job with an Ivy League PhD in Math. Many years later, I came to understand it, only after I could not land a job for the level of training I had received. I wasn’t a quick learner, too bad; fortunately, I still can work in the field where it requires the knowledge of math, and I can use my book learning to help many people; unfortunately, helping people does not augment my income. Besides, we all speak with tongues, not with math, Ivy League or not.

I wish I could have your tongue, and will be ready to trade with you at anytime, considering a good tongue can melt a woman’s heart like a hot knife can easily cut through butter.

Posted by: ssa at January 31, 2007 12:55 PM

So, this despicable, filthy "doctor" is in our country, taking our money, and offering support to our enemies. How many of these types of stories are we going to hear? Is there a publicly available list on the internet, or even a cable TV show that provides names, addresses and photos of these types of vermin so that others can boycott their businesses, if that is even legal to do? Such a thing should be compiled and aggressively marketed if legal.

Posted by: JBarsimson at January 31, 2007 1:31 PM

Hugh

Proof: Bush went and graduated from Yale with a B.A. in history. Kerry also graduated from Yale with a B.A. in political science...

They both also kissed the skull of Geronimo...and call themselves "Bonesmen".

Of course all this has made them so much smarter then us simple folk who went to state universities etc!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 1:37 PM

Andover and Yale.
St. Paul's and Yale.

Posted by: Hugh at January 31, 2007 2:27 PM

Anyone I know who patronizes muslim doctors just gush with admiration for them. It's always, "they are so kind and caring", I can't get through to them that they might not be who they seem to be.
They may not all be sleepers, but the al qaeda manual specifically mentions doctors in it's text, so we know some are. Wakey wakey America!

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 31, 2007 2:52 PM

I heard the exact opposite of muslim "doctors."
AKA...people who flunked out of cabdriver school in Pakistan.
My mom had a muslim on a shortlist for a surgical procedure last year and was in the office for a checkup with him.
Thankfully, she was sitting next to an old man who was there again for a followup who complained this "doctor" had left a surgical tool inside him after a surgery.
Needless to say, my parents told the nurse to cancel their appointment and ran as the wind out the door.
Doctors.....I dont think so.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 3:24 PM

hummm, boy, would I love to be a doctor to attend to their wounds. They'd have lousy odds for recovery. Everyone would have to under-go castration first. "Jone's send him to ureology first and then give me a call !"

Posted by: Jeff at February 2, 2007 7:53 AM