Ah Islam! So peaceful, so wonderful. Who wouldn't want more of it in their own country?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 11:40 AM

This kind of thing will encourage mohammedans to find a line of work in something other than the armed services.

Many may feel quite relieved at the thought

Posted by: Sebastien at January 31, 2007 11:45 AM

No help again from the local muslims as they would all claim...."WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PLOT."

This is strange as recently British police have been ordered to inform muslim reps in the communities of upcoming raids on suspected militant hideouts. Now I know for sure the British govt is led by all islamic traitors. They need to elect the BNP quickly to avoid dhimmi status. Why would the govt inform muslims they were about to be raided?
Have they all lost their minds?
What about muslims informing the western nations they are about to be attacked?
This was all a British operation, but eventually something big will happen and an attack will happen.
NO MUSLIM HELP!!
There is no reciprocity as we are kafirs and have no life value or right to live according to the koran.

They should not had bothered this muslim soldier as he would had refused service if told to go to a muslim nation. He was probably in Germany.

My guess it was a sunni trying to kill a shite or something in that area.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 11:47 AM

If this doesn't wake up our comatosed Liberal establishment then its life support should be switched off.

'...and to reassure the local communities.'
I'm still shaking my head. Reassure them of what? It is the indigenous and integrated law abiding citizens of this country who need to be reassured that they have not been taken over by the enemy within.

Posted by: western infidel at January 31, 2007 11:56 AM

I wonder if those arrested went to that Green Lane mosque which that TV program "Undercover Mosque" on Dispatches on Channel 4 covered very well. If so, the mosque should be raided and shut down.

Posted by: Iceberg at January 31, 2007 11:58 AM

TALLEY HO!!!!

Put the dogs on the foxes trail!!!

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 31, 2007 11:58 AM

Another day, another plot.

It's time to tackle the cause, not the symptoms.

Vote BNP.

Posted by: watling at January 31, 2007 12:02 PM

When will the deportations begin of all muslims from the western world?

I dont mind paying a 1-time FINAL ticket to the islamic nation of their choice.

ISLIME AND DEMOCRACY ARE INCOMPATABLE AS WATER AND ELECTRICITY.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 12:10 PM

Scotsguy

"Just to let you know,just over 300 muslims serve in the uk armned forces.
The fifth column,they have no place in any democratic countrys forces.Spies the whole lot of them."

Just to let 'you' know that you need to get your head screwed on. The poppy I wear on Remembrance Day is also for Jabron Hashmi, the British Muslim soldier killed fighting the Taliban. He took his oath to the Crown and took the Queen's shilling just like all our other lads and lasses in the forces. He gave his life in service of our nation and you would do well to remember that.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 12:17 PM

Precisely why I left the UK. You can't speak up or you risk losing your job or being arrested.

What the UK needs is a march....a HUGE MARCH in London, Birmingham and Manchester AGAINST TERRORISM.

The BNP is looking less and less radical. Much of what they say makes perfect sense.

Act quickly, before the UK is the first Muslim European Nation.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:19 PM

Just to let 'you' know that you need to get your head screwed on. The poppy I wear on Remembrance Day is also for Jabron Hashmi, the British Muslim soldier killed fighting the Taliban. He took his oath to the Crown and took the Queen's shilling just like all our other lads and lasses in the forces. He gave his life in service of our nation and you would do well to remember that......
I too served in the uk armed forces,15 years,dosent this latest plot tell you that most islamists are devious,lying scum,that are not to be trusted??.
Id rather not serve with a fifth columnist muslim!we dont need the sneaky dogs in our midst.
Another uk soldier (muslim)currently on remand for giving iranians uk army secrets,...cpl daniel james!
You just cant trust them....

Posted by: scotsguy at January 31, 2007 12:23 PM

BTW, if there is a HUGE march, the Muslims that call themselves 'moderate' will be forced to step up to the plate or be exposed publically for the liars they are.

The march should include burning effagies of Bin Laden and public outcrys and FATWAS made against Bin Laden and other well-known terrorists. Also, let the muslims that attend hold up signs saying 'TERRORISM and Islam'...NOT IN MY NAME!

Let's see how many 'moderate' muslims step up to the plate when they have thousands of supporters beside them.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:23 PM

'Act quickly, before the UK is the first Muslim European Nation.'

France at last has won something.

Posted by: western infidel at January 31, 2007 12:24 PM

'Act quickly, before the UK is the first Muslim European Nation.'

France at last has won something.

Posted by: western infidel

Mostly in Paris. Travel to the South of France and you don't see it. What concerns me is that you see Islam spreading like a disease all across the UK....probably mostly because of the english language and the great handouts - You might escape to the Isle of Skye!

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:27 PM

More concerning the UK:

Samir: Islamic finance and sharia, Europe’s suicide

Ummah News Links

Posted by: ummahnewslinks at January 31, 2007 12:43 PM

this site offers training on surviving beheadings, among other great info:
http://www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org/

The UK has to inform certain muslim contacts before an arrest is made, how long will the loyalty last?

Posted by: sectionOne at January 31, 2007 1:14 PM

I really can't believe how many people I read here calling for people to vote BNP. I don't know if it is being said as a joke or not, but the thought is disgusting. It's like saying "Vote KKK" in the US.

Back in 2003 I was at the infamous Al-Muhajiroun rally in Trafalgar square. The place was packed, but only about 1/3 with Mohammedan supporters. The rest were a mix of Evangelical Christians, Iranian Workers' Party (Commies, but they had the best looking women amongst them), other smaller delegatons, and of course BNP. The groups were separated into pro-Muslims and anti-Muslims by police barrier with the sole exception of the BNP, who had their own police barrier around them. There was an obvious reason why: they were the most repugnant, uneducated, drunken, vulgar and violent group at the rally. They were throwing bottles, shouting obscene chants, and grabbing at ANYONE who came too near them to start a fight (even the Evangelicals).

The BNP is NO SOLUTION to the Mohammedan problem in the UK. A pox on both their houses.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 1:20 PM

Wishbone

I accept your comments about Jabron Hashmi; the British Muslim soldier killed fighting the Taliban. But did you not feel the coverage of his funeral by the MSM was less than might have been expected? The Independent gave his picture the whole front page and then everything seemed to go quiet. I do not know, I am just asking.

Off thread - Jabron Hashmi was in the Intelligence Corps and was killed with a member of the Royal Signals. Most reports just said they were killed in a random rocket attack, but one TV report said they were working in a signals tower at the time. Question – Was this just chance or were they specifically targeted? If so the Taliban are into signals intercepts and analysis, which means they a good deal more sophisticated than we are being lead to believe.

Posted by: Fred at January 31, 2007 1:26 PM

If there is a march against terrorism by muslims living in Britain they could meet in a phone booth just in case it rains that day.

Posted by: pismopal at January 31, 2007 1:27 PM

Another day, another plot.

It's time to tackle the cause, not the symptoms.

Vote BNP.

Posted by: watling

Be thankful you have a party to turn to. You could be living in the US whose politics is 99% Dhimmi.

Qualis Rex:
Your football clubs have been known for producing the worse hooligans in the world. Is that the purpose of the Futbol club.

As the Muslims tip the balance, so too will extremists arise on the other side. The BNP have presented some very right on idealogical answers to the Islamists and they speak to more than just the hoodlums. With a real press they might have more support.

Who are your political saviors? Blair? Cameron? Brown?

Posted by: Briars at January 31, 2007 1:31 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=432818&in_page_id=1770

Passer-by Sohel Aslam had also visited the shop to buy story books for his five children.

The 37-year-old, from Leicester, told reporters: "There are a few places around which are quite extreme, but not this place.

[-]

Do you think Aslam might disclose the places that he knows about?

Posted by: Borg at January 31, 2007 1:32 PM

Briar wrote: "Your football clubs have been known for producing the worse hooligans in the world"

I'm not English or even British. "MY" football clubs don't cause any problems, and "MY" football team kicks ass on a semi-regular basis during world-cup.

As far as British political leaders, I can't say there are any that I truly respect. None that come to mind anyway. Nor do I really respect British society anymore, as they have gone off the deep-end in the name of political correctness (luckily someone finally stood up to them last year and demanded they not take down anymore "offensive" crosses from hospitals). But the BNP is NOT an answer. I don't make up my mind lightly or easily. I listen, check facts and talk to people in order to inform myself. And what the BNP says on camera is much different than what their members say off.

The solution for Britain is a return to Christian morality and values. The BNP will not bring this, so they are not part of the equation. And neither is the "High Druid" Rowen.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 1:59 PM

"I have been listening to this on Fox news and those so called 'moderate' muslims are all saying that this is a much ado about nothing. hhmmm, 'moderate' muslims not thinking that what these 9 people are doing is serious."

You're right, kill an Infidel and it's much to do about nothing.

Step on a Muslims toe and you're making war on Islam. It's Jihad time!.

Posted by: rational at January 31, 2007 2:02 PM

I have had enough of this. This will stop when we start putting heads on spikes again.

Either these ones, or the July or the Transatlantic plane plotters - severed heads, on spikes, preferably at Heathrow Terminal 2.

Posted by: thomas ato at January 31, 2007 2:07 PM

Sky news reporting on this today by reading extremely violent quotes from books taken from a bookshop.
These sounded like re-arranged texts from the
Koran , therefor if these books are banned shouldn`t the Koran also be banned ?
Apparently the inhabitants of this area are
"annoyed" about the police raids...TOUGH!
Politicians keeps saying moderate muslims must this , moderate muslims must that.
Sorry but moderate muslims should really have
something to whine about...do more or your mosques
will be closed and your Koran will be banned.
The sooner the better.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 2:14 PM

Scotsguy-

A fair point, regarding that little scumbag James. But when it comes to our soldiers, this leaves me between a rock and a hard place where distinction of loyalties are concerned. I'd prefer to err on the side of caution, "in this instance only", on the part of people I see as serving members of our forces. I'd hate to repay genuine loyalty to the crown and our nation (and to the notion that they may be protecting my sorry arse) by making them outcasts within their own regiments.

Fred-

Hashmi isn't the only one of our lads to die over there mate, so even though he was a muslim, it wouldn't have been right to portray him as any more deserving of notice than any of the rest merely for purposes of hammering home the point of "Integration". Besides that, I'm happy in that they let his family be. They wouldn't have deserved it.

As to what nous the Taliban have about them and their reasons for targeting whoever, I'd think that it would be suicidal to assume that they were little more than smelly goatherds causing trouble for something to do. I also firmly believe that those little shits in Pakistan are making things as hard for us as they can without blatantly broadcasting it.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 2:19 PM

Briars-

"Your football clubs have been known for producing the worse hooligans in the world. Is that the purpose of the Futbol club."

I hear that a lot and have to wonder. Our clubs and supporters have spent a long time getting rid of the unwanted elements in our game, even though there still is a presence.

Yet to say we have the worst hooligans in the world?. You need to take a look at some of the organised football gangs in French, Turkish or Italian football.

We couldn't hold a candle to that lot, but the "British Football Hooligan" is a rather fashionable notion isn't it?.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 2:25 PM

British Muslim soldier 'was target of terror plot'

Maybe they will do something like this to Ibrahim Hopeer after he becomes an apostate. Reality TV-Muslim style. (Of course, this is an example of superior morality on the part of Muslims who also have great "family values".)

Posted by: Frank at January 31, 2007 2:26 PM

"Your football clubs have been known for producing the worse hooligans in the world. Is that the purpose of the Futbol club."

Well said Briars.

The BNP do attract unsavoury characters but at its core it cares about the people of this country. They are the only group that tells the truth and they have reformed a lot in recent years.

Qualis rex, you just dont get it do you. You think you are on a higher moral plain than us considering voting bnp, you think voting is like a competition where whoever votes for the most 'rightous' party is the winner.

Well some of us vote because we care about the future, about our children and grand children.
This is my ancestral homeland and I will not have my children out-bred and forced into a minority.

"the BNP is NOT an answer"

Then WHO is, please tell me of another major party that states it will cease all mosque building and cancel all public funding for islamic schools?

These are Ideas routinely posted on this site and are completely logical.

So to repeat the earlier post - VOTE BNP

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 2:26 PM

Qualis Rex >>>>>

I really can't believe how many people I read here calling for people to vote BNP. I don't know if it is being said as a joke or not, but the thought is disgusting. It's like saying "Vote KKK" in the US.
The BNP is NO SOLUTION to the Mohammedan problem in the UK. A pox on both their houses.

Wrong , the BNP are the only party who will do
something about this...they don`t need the muslim vote!
They are also the only party who will do anything
about the tidal wave of crime drowning this country.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 2:27 PM

Qualis Rex wrote:
"I really can't believe how many people I read here calling for people to vote BNP. I don't know if it is being said as a joke or not, but the thought is disgusting. It's like saying "Vote KKK" in the US. "

Absolutely right. And it's not being said as a joke, these people are serious. This site has been swarmed by BNP supporting die-hard Nazis. They completely debase the anti-jihad cause, and are a genuine menace to it.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 2:37 PM

"The solution for Britain is a return to Christian morality and values."
Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 01:59 PM

Now THAT sounds like D'Souza, UK version.

Why must Britain adapt its moral culture to avoid the outright assault on it by Islam?

Posted by: awake at January 31, 2007 2:38 PM

Wow, wishbone is a BONER along with some other 5th columnists.

Sorry, in America I wish we had a version of the BNP who would really call out islam as the main threat to the free world. My republican party has disappointed me and seems to be in bed with the islamists. So far the BNP do have the answers and it does not include coddling muslims or blaming ethnic Brits for being bombed.
Somebody said 1 muslim soldier was killed fighting the Taliban....so what?
How many British have been killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now in their own land??
Does 1 muslim equal the value of some 200 dead British soldiers and civilians you sicko?
YOU should read the manifesto of the BNP and it does include making Christianity the declared and official religion of Britain so do yourself a favor and read it.
I subscribe to their daily e-mail updates and you need to do the same rather than verbally attack the ONLY political party in London willing to defend the nation.
You should be THIS vocal against the muslims as you are against the BNP.
Like it or not, the reality is the BNP represents everything from the old days of the empire.
A strong economy, strong justice system, death penalty for traitors and murderers, and a powerful military.
The days of using RACISM as words to intimidate other conservatives are over.
It is a useless tactic that has been overused.
How many people have the BNP killed and how many are still being killed by the muslims?
If I were a British citizen, my dues would be paid up in full for a lifetime membership.
Wake up to reality and stop the childish namecalling.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 2:41 PM

I think that would take massive amounts of money which I dont have yet.

If I hit the lottery, than it is possible.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 2:50 PM

Absolutely right. And it's not being said as a joke, these people are serious. This site has been swarmed by BNP supporting die-hard Nazis. They completely debase the anti-jihad cause, and are a genuine menace to it.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 02:37 PM

So what , ever heard of "lesser of two evils" or
"fight fire with fire"?
Nazis ? , interesting as there is a letter on the
Faith Freedom site from an ex-muslim who states
that Islam is 100 times more pernicious as the
Third Reich.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 2:51 PM

Wishbone

I don’t want to be boring but they're not all Afghans. Quite apart from those poor lads from Tipton who just went to Pakistan for a wedding and wandered a few hundred miles over the border to help out with relief work, there are the euphemistically named “foreign fighters” there.

An example of the expertise I mean came from an American special forces man bankrolling the “Anti-Taliban fighters”. He had found that “normal” Afghans just pointed their AK- 47’s in the general direction of the enemy and left it to Allah to guide the bullets. But he always knew when they were fighting Arabs because they began to get people shot through the head at long range and then it was difficult to get the rest to advance.

You will agree it is important not to underestimate your enemy.

Posted by: Fred at January 31, 2007 3:02 PM

A link on the BNP and anti-semitism:

http://www.s-light.demon.co.uk/presspack/bnp4.html

Contains interesting quotes from Nick Griffin, the current leader of the BNP.

' When the former MP Alex Carlisle reported Griffin for inciting racial hatred and Holocaust denial, Griffin commented: "This bloody Jew, our local MP who organised the raid whose only claim to fame is that two of his parents died in the Holocaust".

Griffin wrote in Spearhead: "Some 'anti-semitism' may be provoked by the actions of certain Jews themselves and thereby have a rational basis". '

Let's be under no delusions about who these people are.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 3:02 PM

Hungarian Crusader-

I wonder if you could be any more stupid without special training?.

Why don't 'you' do yourself a favour and read this thread and point out where I mentioned the BNP at all, never mind verbally attack them?. Indeed, most of your rant directed at me in that respect is invalid, to say nothing of naive if you believe that the BNP are in any way conservative.

With regards to fair mention of all our forces who have died in service to our nation, I believe that I addressed that in an earlier post. You chose not to read that either.

That "One Muslim soldier that was killed fighting the Taleban" died serving this country and regardless of your opinion of his 'worth', he will be remembered as such and with all due honour. A notion that you don't seem to be able to understand, it would seem.

If you believe that this makes me a 'sicko' then that says more about you than it does about me.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 3:04 PM

Fred-

Absolutely agree Fred, I wouldn't be surprised if they found martians fighting for that lot.

Underestimating anything over there would be suicidal.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 3:10 PM

When push comes to shove the majority of muslims will always back there own there loyality is to religion not country they are one bad investment.

Posted by: stevenz at January 31, 2007 3:20 PM

How am I racist for not wanting to be in a minority in the lands of my Ancestors.

Do you think race plays no part in the political thinking of countries like japan or china?

Do you really think arab muslims hold non-arab muslims in the same regard?

The idea of a melting pot is largely an american idea that for some reason has been exported to Europe.

Europe is NOT part of the USA, stop comparing the BNP to the KKK you are just ignorant.

Rougie I suspect you are a liar and that you are far from colour blind. In the same way that closet homosexuals can be very homophobic, It is people like you who are so insecure about your own views that you desperately proclaim your phoney moral stance.
Every culture has an ethnic origin. Race and culture are too closely tied to be seperated.
Multiculturalism is a totalitarian ideoligy that leads to social stagnation and intercommunity violence and resentment.

Race or culture face it ITS NEVER GOING TO WORK.

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 3:20 PM

BlowHammed wrote:
"stop comparing the BNP to the KKK you are just ignorant."

Another interesting link here about Nick Griffin (BNP leader) and his KKK connections (and other Nazi groups.)

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg06.htm

"David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux, is very close to Nick Griffin and the BNP. Griffin has regularly shared platforms with Duke and the American’s antisemitic and Holocaust denial material is sold through the BNP."

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 3:32 PM

Schmegel is very confused with these comparisons.
The KKK has no power whatsoever in the USA unlike the muslims do in England.
You must be a muslim!

What you should remember is that Cameron, Blair, and that TRAITOR MAYOR OF LONDON LIVINGSTON are in bed with the Saudi monarchy selling out the nation to dhimmi status.

Why dont you complain about anti-western and anti-Christian rhetoric and foreign policy being used by the entire middle east against the west??

Did you know now British police must inform muslim leaders before a raid is to take place on suspected islamic suspects? Why dont you complain on that issue schmegel?? I bet it makes you happy.

Did you know now in London the police CAN NOT use dogs as that is viewed as offensive and unclean to muslims?

How are police supposed to find bomb equipment or drugs or anything without the dogsnose which is far more reliable than any other machine?

Talk about surrendering to the muslims.

The BNP have no power in comparison to the islamic influence being wielded daily in England and France.

I wish the BNP had a quarter of the muslim sway in British politics.

Schmegel you are a traitor if you claim to be a westerner or anyone who is not a muslim.

You are a DHIMMI!!

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 3:40 PM

The highly respected documentary series, Channel 4's 'Dispatches', which exposed the preachers of hate in Mosques recently, had also earlier exposed the BNP for what they are.

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg01.htm

' Recently Mark Collett, leader of the young BNP was shown by channel 4’s Despatches to be an out and out Nazi sympathiser: “National Socialism was the best solution for the German people in the 1930s”, he told the cameras. “I honestly cant understand how a man who’s seen the inner city hell of Britain today cant look back on that era [Hitler’s Germany] with a certain nostalgia”. Despite the BNP’s public denunciation of Collett, he remains a full-time party worker and Yorkshire Regional Organiser. '

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 3:44 PM

That crusader fellow wrote:
"Schmegel you are a traitor if you claim to be a westerner or anyone who is not a muslim. "

By your criteria anyone who is a westerner and a non-muslim is a Nazi. I, for one, might just disagree with that.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 3:51 PM

Fascists and Islamo-Fascists have a lot in common, as Nick Griffin, BNP leader, once recognised.

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg09.htm

"Griffin’s anti-Muslim stance is hypocrisy. In the mid-1980s when he was a leading officer in the National Front he openly cavorted with Islamic extremists. He supported the Ayatollah Khomeini’s fundamentalist regime in Iran, and sought backing from Libya’s Colonel Gaddafi "

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 3:55 PM

Disagree all you want, this is freedom, that is an item that is repressed by your friends in the muslim world.

Now how did Nazis come into the picture?

That is pathetic and I see your comprehension skills are very low, but I am not insulting someone who is lacking as you.

My suggestion is just to maybe avoid debating when it is an obvious weak point in your abilities.

Your definition of a Nazi again shows your comprehension skills are weak.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 3:59 PM

When the Labour traitors instructed the CPS to
prosecute the BNP for a second time last year
having lost the first time , alarm bells should have rang in any rational persons head.
Something rotten was going on here , for a start
criticizing Islam has nothing to do with race.
The government lost twice because the BNP were right , Islam is wicked and evil and Blair and Brown are cockroaches.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 4:01 PM

Okay so ultimatley these nazi supporters have been there before it got big but as time goes on they will recruit average and balanced people.

People who supported the nazis only had the bnp to turn to but in these times decent fair normal people ONLY have the BNP to turn to.

It is unfortunate that they have said these things but I am FORCED to vote BNP they are the only people who make ANY sense.

But to emphasize what hungarian crusader was saying,
there are over a billion muslims in the world and over 2 million in my country.

How many kkk/nazi supporters are there?

The 2 things dont compare. If you had any sort of spine shmegel you would stop attacking the BNP and open your eyes to the REAL threat.

You would make a great dhimmi but I imagine you'd be the first to convert to islam instead

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 4:02 PM

http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg03.htm

"Griffin’s BNP may hate Islamic fundamentalists now. But this has not always been the case. After his faction took control of the NF, they began to make some strange alliances. They met with representatives of Colonel Gaddafi’s regime through the Libyan People’s Bureau in London, and expressed support for Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini.

Rank and File members of the NF were not too pleased when Griffin, in 1985, praised the black separatist Louis Farrakhan: “White nationalists everywhere wish (Farrakhan) well, for we share a common struggle for the same ends: Racial Separation and Racial Freedom”.

Nick Griffin (left) in Libya

During this period, Griffin and other NF leaders took an all-expenses paid trip to Libya, as guests of the Gaddafi regime to obtain funding.

National Front News wrote at the time: “Common interest must be turned into practical cooperation. Those involved must work to nail the media lies which are used by our enemies to try and divide us and make us afraid to be seen standing side by side with Third Way nations such as Libya and Iran”. "

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 4:02 PM

Crusader guy whined:
"Now how did Nazis come into the picture?"

You support the BNP. The BNP are Nazis. If you're not sure about the latter statement scroll up and read my posts, quotes and links, if indeed you can read. Then come back and tell me the BNP have nothing to do with Nazism.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 4:08 PM

Hungarian Crusader-

Politically correct feelings about Muslims?. Your assumptions are breathtaking in their ignorance.

Don't presume to affect sympathy for our fallen when you feel qualified to judge their worth by your own narrow standards. All you do is sully the act of their remembrance and they deserve better than your thinly veiled contempt.

"Try reading their book called the koran and than you will see who is stupid and uninformed about the real threat that is growing worldwide."

So who made you the font of all knowledge?. How arrogant and presumptuous could any one person get?. If I were you, bollocks, I'd check your face every morning from now on. It seems that your arse and your mouth have swapped vocations.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 4:16 PM

On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the 'positive discrimination' schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of 'asylum seekers', all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

BNP immigration policy , a vote winner as will be
evident come next May.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 4:20 PM

Schmegel snorted today that......

"You support the BNP. The BNP are nazis."

How and why are they nazis??

You want me to believe some leftist newsource and islamic supporting newspaper as valid and fair coverage? No thanks.

I have seen myself, read, and heard that whenever islam is criticized in England that the accusation of "nazis" and "racist" are spouted.
That is what YOU have done here very predictable.
You have done it just perfectly which gives great credibility to my European sources.
If we go by your philosophy than guess what?
The entire USA is run by nazis because we used hundreds of their scientists after 1945 to build our CIA, NASA, our ballistic missile program, our jet fighter programs, our submarines, etc, etc.

You are making a very simple mistake of confusing English patriotism as nazism and that is grossly irresponsible.
It is foolish to twist some public statements for your own political agenda against the BNP.
If you wanted to a person could call everyone who is against their political beliefs a NAZI, but nobody would take you seriously as here on this site.
Schmegel, you are just wrong and ran out of fuel a loooooong time ago.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 4:20 PM

BlowHammed wrote:
"If you had any sort of spine shmegel you would stop attacking the BNP and open your eyes to the REAL threat."

The biggest obstacle to the jihad threat finally being recognised by the majority of western people is the association of anti-jihad opinions with far-right Nazi lunatics, an association perpetrated by the BNP faction of JW commenters.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 4:21 PM

Hhhhmmm you can still make jokes about the Scots
the Irish and Italians , but say poppadom princess
and the nation are up in arms about it.
Over 6,000 phone calls complaining about racism =
6,000 MORONS !

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 4:37 PM

Crusader goosestepped forth and grunted:
"You want me to believe some leftist newsource and islamic supporting newspaper as valid and fair coverage? No thanks."

Are you saying the quotes from Nick Griffin and other BNP members are not true? (and 'leftist' means 'anti-fascist', eh?)

However, you try to verbally squirm out of it (rather inadequately I might say), you are a Nazi, a supporter of racism.

A Christian one at that. Go read the Gospels, you'll hate them. You can't be both Christian and Fascist. Schizoid.

Posted by: schmegel at January 31, 2007 4:38 PM

I know your not my enemy rougie these subjects just get me a bit 'hot and bothered'.

I respect and understand your views but think about when the government decides to put quotas on asian police officers or asian school children.

Is that multiculturalism? The very fact that they recognize race shows its more than that.

If we have to make laws against racism. What happens when law and order brakes down.

Think about what is happening in Iraq. Different cultures of the same race were suddenly formed into a single country and populations moved around. Then once the law and order was taken away from them, tensions that had layed dormant for years were unleashed.

Imagine what would happen if the sunnis and shiites were different races, it would be 10 times as worse.

I know what kind of society you want, it is a noble idea, but so was communism it just doesnt work.

I just think the biological forces are too strong, the physical/sexual attractions that we get from our parents(freud) and the tribal/clan instincts that we all have arent going to go away any time soon.
Your probably aware of the phenomenon of "White flight' in america and elsewhere.
An american once told me:
"If your not your race your just some schmuck for the economy."

That is my view entirely. I believe I will be proved right in the future but I hope you will study the effects of enforced multiracialism in britain and around the world especially on the poor and come to share my opinion.

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 4:45 PM

Rougie posted:

"- I personally don't agree with the anti-Semitism and holocaust denial (Along with the racial-purity ideology or the return to a 'Christian' Britain).

But what choice do I have?? There are issues which need to be resolved, and the only party willing to resolve them, is the BNP.

So regardless of their drawbacks, I have no choice but to vote for them. And until you can show me a viable alternative, then I shall 'continue' to vote for them, until the problems are no more."

Let me get this straight. You are a moderate forced to side with extremists by a perceived threat to your culture.

Where have I heard this before?

Posted by: freedomschool at January 31, 2007 4:50 PM

Freedom school this percieved threat is talked about all over the internet, many books are written on it.

The threat to our culture is very real and though you have given up I shall not.

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 5:01 PM

getting back to the topic, i agree with Wishbone's first comment.
if the MSM is correct, the intended victim was a Muslim who has served in the British Army in Afghanistan.
that he has done so would suggest that he deserves our respect, and that we should be very grateful that he has been saved from a slow and wretched death at the hands of bunch of (as i expect they will turn out to be) worthless, sadistic, morons.
a small victory, but one worth celebrating, i would say.

Posted by: M Al-Content at January 31, 2007 5:07 PM

More muslim indignation about the police raids
trying to prevent the murder of a ...MUSLIM.
It could only happen in Blairs Britanistan.

Posted by: aladdinsane57 at January 31, 2007 5:13 PM

BlowHammed wrote:Qualis rex, you just dont get it do you. You think you are on a higher moral plain than us considering voting bnp, you think voting is like a competition where whoever votes for the most 'rightous' party is the winner.

Actually, I "do get it", but just haven't come to the same conclusions as you. Lame catch phrases like "you don't get it" are kind of childish as they cannot be substantiated at any level. But regardless, I don't feel voting is a competition. But it is absolutely a question of morality, which is something you either have, or you don't. Moral relativism to which you seem tp subscribe is a very slippery slope. When you begin saying, "I don't like the BNP's anti-Jewish, anti-black, anti-Southern/Eastern European rhetoric, but I DO like their anti-Muslim rhetoric...so I'll vote for them" you put yourself among the same masses who either tacitly or actively supported the Nazi party in WW II.

Awake wrote: "Why must Britain adapt its moral culture to avoid the outright assault on it by Islam?"

Because the societies of Britain AND Europe as a whole have been based on the values and morality of Chrisitanity for over 1000 years. Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain to such a point that it is EASY for another culture to fill that vacuum with their OWN morality. Islam brings it's own morality and values to societies which have long forgotten or repressed the Christian values whcih preceded them. So, Britain would not be adapting it's morality, so much as regaining it.

schmegel wrote: "This site has been swarmed by BNP supporting die-hard Nazis."

I'm begining to see that now unfortunately.

Hungarian wrote: "The days of using RACISM as words to intimidate other conservatives are over."

Well, since Hungary was one of the most treacherous and brutal regimes which willingly bent over, supported and welcomed the Nazis, I can see why you think the way you do. If you are indeed a native of Hungary, the fact is the BNP would have nothing to do with you, and most likely deport you as an Eastern European if they had the chance. I guess you're not to bright to see the irony in all that, are you?

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 6:05 PM

Qualis rex:

Comparing supporting the BNP, to supporting Nazis in world war 2 is 'childish'.

The Nazis whipped people up into a frenzy using lies and propaganda during a period of economic decline.

Becoming a minority by the end of the century is not a lie but a very real possibility.

I know you desperately want me to feel bad, you want me to feel like a villain and believe me, you and your type have done an excellent job in villifying anyone who even mentions race.

You do not intimidate me, I know im not a nazi and i suspect you know it aswell. You just want to go on your morale crusade but you are actually very much like a fascist yourself.

I am not afraid of you because I believe the truth will win in the end it always does.

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 6:33 PM

"- I personally don't agree with the anti-Semitism and holocaust denial (Along with the racial-purity ideology or the return to a 'Christian' Britain).

But what choice do I have??"

A question that was asked, with disastrous consequences, by many a good German burgher in the 1930s (for "Christian Britain" read "Aryan Germany"). My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Posted by: JFGR at January 31, 2007 6:43 PM

Well, after taking a good look at the BNP, I actually tend to side more with schmegel than BlowHammed. There definately seem to be some BNP groupies here. I'm not one of them.

On the other hand, and perhaps unfortunately, the BNP looks to be the only political hope for Britain.

Posted by: Apache at January 31, 2007 6:55 PM

Qualis Rex

I do not want to get involved in your spat with Hungarian as I do not know much Hungarian history. But ref "brutal Hungarians" and in the interest of detail, Google "Hungarian Jews Admiral Horthy" and you can find,

"The last group of Jews to be deported to the death factory at Auschwitz-Birkenau were the Hungarians. Both Hungary and Bulgaria were allies of Germany in World War II. On April 17, 1943, after Bulgaria had refused to allow their Jews to be deported, Hitler met with Admiral Nicholas Horthy, the Hungarian leader, in Salzburg and tried to persuade him to allow the Jews of Hungary to be "resettled" in Poland, Admiral Horthy rejected Hitler's arguments and refused to deport the Hungarian Jews".

"In mid March 1944, Germany occupied Hungary, and the deportation of the Jews began a few weeks later".

You can take it things went downhill from there.

I do not know enough to defend the Hungarians but just asking if they are due any points for being last?

Posted by: Fred at January 31, 2007 6:57 PM

Damnit people, the BNP are a bunch of facists. You don't need the brains of an archbishop to work that out.

We need people to vote for them to get certain of their policies taken up by the mainstream, but you'd have to be off your head to want them elected to national government. Get a grip, ffs. We may be facing a threat but what's needed is a Churchill and measured tones, not some ranting lunatics who aren't much more appetising than shariah.

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 7:02 PM

JFGR wrote: "My enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend."

ABSOLUTELY!!! A case in point is when the US supported the Mohammedan Muhadadeen in Afghanistan against the Communist Soviet Union. And come 9/11/2001 look what the US got in return.

Blowhammad wrote: "You do not intimidate me, I know im not a nazi and i suspect you know it aswell. You just want to go on your morale crusade but you are actually very much like a fascist yourself."

My good poster, I can assure you I have NO INTENTION of trying to intimidate you, and I am sorry you feel that way. This is a commentary forum where EVERYONE is allowed to express their ideas and opinions. As a Christian, I am stating my views from a stand-point of Christianity and can not impose them on you nor can I silence your own opinion. I really can't see how feel I'm trying to intimidate you, as I have said nothing to threaten you with bodily harm in any way. Believe me, you'd know it : )

No, I don't think you are a Nazi, nor did I ever say you were. I simply drew an accurate comparison between the rhetoric of the BNP today and the Nazi party of the 20's. And I am not the only one, as you well know. If you can't see the parallels here, then that's your own problem, and all I can say is may God help you and give you strength and enlightenment.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 7:03 PM

Bert Preast wrote: "Get a grip, ffs. We may be facing a threat but what's needed is a Churchill and measured tones, not some ranting lunatics who aren't much more appetising than shariah.

You win the grand prize: civilization.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 7:06 PM

Awake wrote: "Why must Britain adapt its moral culture to avoid the outright assault on it by Islam?"

Qualis wrote: "Because the societies of Britain AND Europe as a whole have been based on the values and morality of Chrisitanity for over 1000 years. Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain to such a point that it is EASY for another culture to fill that vacuum with their OWN morality. Islam brings it's own morality and values to societies which have long forgotten or repressed the Christian values whcih preceded them. So, Britain would not be adapting it's morality, so much as regaining it."

So you fully support the Dinesh D'Souza theory that what collectively ails us and makes us a target for Islamofascism is our own decent into cultural and moral depravity.

You are one sick puppy. What, pray tell, was Islam's excuse the last 1400 years or so, well before "Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain"?

You have every right to an opinion on the BNP, but your argument as a whole is dangerously flawed.

Posted by: awake at January 31, 2007 7:12 PM

Awake wrote: "Why must Britain adapt its moral culture to avoid the outright assault on it by Islam?"

Qualis wrote: "Because the societies of Britain AND Europe as a whole have been based on the values and morality of Chrisitanity for over 1000 years. Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain to such a point that it is EASY for another culture to fill that vacuum with their OWN morality. Islam brings it's own morality and values to societies which have long forgotten or repressed the Christian values whcih preceded them. So, Britain would not be adapting it's morality, so much as regaining it."

So you fully support the Dinesh D'Souza theory that what collectively ails us and makes us a target for Islamofascism is our own decent into cultural and moral depravity.

You are one sick puppy. What, pray tell, was Islam's excuse the last 1400 years or so, well before "Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain"?

You have every right to an opinion on the BNP, but your argument as a whole is dangerously flawed.

Posted by: awake at January 31, 2007 7:13 PM

Qualis Rex wrote: "You win the grand prize: civilization."

I wish I was so optimistic.

And we spell it "civilisation", thankyou. See what I mean?

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 7:15 PM

Bert Preast wrote: "And we spell it "civilisation", thankyou. See what I mean?"

Thanks for that! I'm literally laughing my tuckus off right now. Yes, I spell it that way as well, but since I'm typing this from across the pond, I try and make it a point to assimilate gramatically and orthographically whenever possible. But thanks for the laugh, mate.

Awake wrote: "So you fully support the Dinesh D'Souza theory that what collectively ails us and makes us a target for Islamofascism is our own decent into cultural and moral depravity.

I think that is half of the equation. Islam (not "Islamofascism"; this is a made-up word from the Bush administration...Islam is Islam) has always been militant and agressive from the hijrah on. We know this fact, and it is not a secret. What is also a HISTORICAL FACT is that when Christian countries have gone into moral decline and war amongst themselves, Islam takes advantage of this and seeks to grab power. It was not until Spain united under Ferdinand and Isabella that the Moor was driven out. And Islam was only able to get a foot-hold in Europe while unorganized feudal fiefdoms were not powerful enough to stop them. You cannot simply blame an enemy for your own shortcomings.

You are one sick puppy. What, pray tell, was Islam's excuse the last 1400 years or so, well before "Secular Humanism, Communism, Consumerism etc have warped and eroded the morality of Britain"?

See my comments above. Islam's agressive nature against a strong, moral, united Christian society is no match. Islam against a splintered, secular, morally relativistic wimpy former Christian society will gain a foot-hold in no time.

Incidently, if you want to be taken seriously from hereon out, you should probably refrain from calling people "one sick puppy" etc. Name-calling is the final refuge of the dim-witted in debates. Just an FYI there.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 7:34 PM

Qualis - I can only salute your impressive efforts at integration. Carry on. And it's good to find one's sense of humour can be recognised, even in the furthest of colonies.

*scarpers*

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 7:41 PM

Yes, that subtle, sophisticated English wit. The US could never even hope to approach the likes of Benny Hill.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 7:47 PM

Oh, if only Americans understood irony.

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 7:49 PM

I know you think its funny rex but I do feel intimidated and bullied by sucidal left-wing nutcases like your self.

BNP members are often attacked physically but what you do is psychologically intimidate people.

I hate people calling the BNP nazis its such a personal attack it goes right to the soul because I know so many decent hard workin people who support it.

There are poor pensioners who donate what little they have to the BNP. It has such a small budget and its inspiring to see the poorest of people willing to chip in.

I know you are set in your ways and already you think this is a competition between 'us and them'
but I ask you to just open your eyes and think about the possibility that you may be wrong, and that it may be you who is in the minority of political opinion. Please ask people why they vote BNP and think about the reasons they give you.

Posted by: BlowHammed at January 31, 2007 7:53 PM

"I hate people calling the BNP nazis its such a personal attack it goes right to the soul because I know so many decent hard workin people who support it"

Yeah, referring to mere facists as nazis really gets on my wick, too.

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 7:55 PM

I am surprised the BNP did not target the soldier or had plans to complain that the UK let a Muslim become a soldier during a sensitive period of war. They could have plotted to cut his head off and demand him leave the nation. Or they could have attacked the army base or made protests saying 'I AM A NAZI LET ME JOIN THE ARMY TOO,
But I guess people from the army thought, he was born in the UK speaks well, wants to fit in so why not? They could have thought well now is not the right time you are suspended for not being able trustworthy right now you are in sensitive time of war.

I Hate BNP the violence they could bring; lucky they are not millions of them.

Anyway you know what I mean irony. ----)
T

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 31, 2007 8:05 PM

I have to admit that was the real deal.

Posted by: Bert Preast at January 31, 2007 8:07 PM

I am no BNP fan but a bit of truth does not hurt, more of a Christian democrat if one could choose.
It's better than what the rest of leaders do which is deny where the core stem of the problem is, the police say it for them so they don't look politically incorrect and lose lots of building contracts that the UK and America help build those skyscrapers that are appearing in the Middle East over night. Yes they are bombing buildings too in the Middle East, the war is not on Islam remember they never said it was.

Posted by: jesusisthelamb at January 31, 2007 8:31 PM

BlowHammed-

I hate to say this, but you're not being intimidated in any way whatsoever. You are, however, being vehemently disagreed with. Now, to be fair, I have looked objectively at the BNP and its' manifesto and policy articles. I've also listened to what the likes of Griffin and his supporters have to say in the media.

Try as I might to be objective, I can't get past the fact that their essential mandate screams racial purity and national socialism. I honestly pity the person who feels that they have no other voice but the BNP to speak for them in this nation, but as I've pointed out before today: You don't keep a ferret in the henhouse just to discourage the fox; Either way, the chickens are screwed, mate.

One example: I am acquainted with a huge and jolly black gentleman who hails from St Lucia, many years back. When I say jolly, I mean he exudes life. It's a joke between us that he is the black answer to Brian Blessed.

Now, when I call this man a gentleman, I mean the very essence of the word. His manners are exquisite and it's impossible not to feel happy around the man, his joyous outlook being as infectious as it is. If anyone were to ask the question, as it is indeed asked a lot these days, just what it is to be British exactly, then I could hardly do worse then to exemplify my St Lucian friend. To me, this lad is so British, he's cricket. He's Earl Grey tea. In fact, he's a lot of the things that we mourn the loss of in much of our British youth these days.

Yet the BNP, in their haste to preserve their brand of purity, would treat him as no better than, at best, a second class citizen. At worst, they would seek by any means to repatriate him, even after forty years of living in this nation, working his arse off to raise his family and paying his taxes like any good and decent citizen.

I for one won't stand for that kind of Britain. I want the islamists out as much as any patriotic Briton who sees the threat to his nation. I'm not going to sacrifice the good and decent people of colour (or of other religions) I know just so I can say "I'm alright Jack".

Because sooner or later, when they're done with the Black people, the Jewish people, the Hindus, the Chinese, the hard working Indians and just about everybody else that isn't a "White British born Christian", then people will start to look "Not White Enough", "Not British Enough", "Not Christian Enough". Then it starts all over again.

And people are right; We have been there before.

We said "Never Again".

Just because people disagree with you BlowHammed, doesn't mean they're trying to intimidate you or any such thing. It's because they simply disagree and you have to respect that they may have good, valid, objective reasons for doing so.

If you happen to disagree in turn, don't cry that you're being picked on. Argue your point, just don't treat people as if they're somehow mentally deficient or attempt to marginalise them because you happen to have an opposing perspective.

Posted by: Wishbone at January 31, 2007 8:44 PM

Oh, I see in my absence here a great many ignorant things have been said about me and Hungary.
You freaking WANKERS and LIMEYS dont know anything about Hungarian history and its place in European history.
You said "Hungary bent over for the Nazis."
You incompetent, unread, INBRED, uneducated, take it in the bum wanker.
Hungary was an ally of Germany while you skanks allied yourself with Communist Russia!!
What was Hungary to do against Germany?
Can you skanks even point it out on a map?
What does Hungary have in common with Bolshevik Russia....nothing.
Hungary was allied with Germany since the times of the ISLAMIC-OTTOMAN MARCH THROUGH S.E. EUROPE SINCE THE 1500's so it would be natural to work together against the Communist march through Europe at the time of 1940 and beyond.
Let me educate you dropouts at that time Russia had occupied Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, Poland, and had taken large chunks of Rumania...Stalin was eyeballing Hungary next and only Germany was willing to protect Hungary from the growing superpower.
Did you expect Budapest to call London for help when the British had been chased from the continent?
NO HELP THERE DUMMIES!!
Also, I never said or expected the BNP to take Hungarians into Britain....I JUST SAID I LIKE THEIR POLICIES AND THEIR DEFENSE OF THE NATION!
Hungarians are not like your muslim buttbuddies who force their ways on people.
They assimilate as here in America AND WORK!!
Guess who invented the Hydrogen bomb for America and the allies in 1953...Dr. Edward Teller...a Hungarian professor.
Did you know that dhimmi slaves?
What did your islamic friends do for Britain???
They blew up trains on the tubes!
Great accomplishments for western civilization.
I have to work that is why I have not been here for a while so watch your mouths.
Talk more crap about Hungarians and see what happens LADIES!!

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 9:22 PM

Another thing for the 3 dhimmis STROKING THEMSELVES INSULTING AMERICANS!!

Benny Hill was great BUT he studied the likes of Bob Hope and Red Skeleton....2 great AMERICAN comedians!!

Sorry you halfwits DONT SEE THE IRONY IN THAT FACT!!

Idiots.

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at January 31, 2007 9:35 PM

Wishbone....Well, I see we're back to the same argument. Given your vehement antipathy to the BNP, then one must ask, just who or what knight in shinning armour do you expect to come riding up to the rescue.?

Nigel Farage, well, he is focused on one aspect of danger to our long lost (as far as Britain is concerned) free societies. For yes, the EUropean Union is a totalitarian state in the building and nothing will divert the party faithful from their labours. And given that the Muslims are a favoured group within the substructure of the multiculturalist agenda, essential to its goals in so much as it would appear that they are to be the shock troops with which the party will bring about that most cherished goal of all...the destruction of Western Capitalist society So in that sense, at least he is on the same side, but our saviour...maybe: but an awfully long shot to take a chance on.

Fabulous Dave, the champion of all things green. Will he come galloping up on his trusty steed "Watermelon", that moral high horse of impeccable blood lines: sired by "Higher Moral Authority", bred from that high spirited mare, "Most Noble of Intentions" out of the well known stable "Anti Fascist League", not of course that either of these two fine pedigrees have ever won anything of mention in the last 50 years, no matter. Personally I think he will be a trifle distracted from the matter in hand, after all he will be too busy developing his 'fat taxes', then of course there are all those fair penguins in distress to go rescue. Maybe on one of his forays he can get close to a Polar Bear, just to give us a taste of his superior courageous compassion, if we're really lucky, maybe he'll get really close, after all, "Watermelon" being such a fearless steed and all. No, somehow I don't think so. He's not the champion we are all looking for.

T.B'liar, well looks like he's headed for the witness box at the Old Bailey. So, given that he will be otherwise occupied, I think we’d better not wait up for him. Besides which, I can’t see a damned thing he has accomplished in the 9 years he has held office so far; other than trashing everything he has touched. Talk about the Midas touch in reverse.

Gordo, good old Gordo. Now don't sneer, but I think maybe we've got something here. The putrescent Prime Minister in waiting. He may yet ride up to the rescue, though it must be admitted, if he does, it will by the greatest accident in recorded history. Our dour Scot, so profligate with other peoples money, whose steady hand upon the Exchequer, skillfully navigating between highway robbery and fiscal improvidence, has held a course right on the edge of the abyss. Could it be that our Gordon will at the right time, cast about the helm and plunge us over the precipice of economic ruin. Could fortune favour the foolish. For that could just be our salvation, for then the Muslim masses, unable to feed off the infidel Jizyya, would be forced either to tip their hand and become active radicals to a man overnight, or else wander off to greener pastures, or at least one not so cold and inhospitable as Britain with no means of financial support. It could also have an added benefit in that it would ONCE AGAIN, demonstrate that Marxist philosophy and all its offspring are not only morally bankrupt but fiscally ruinous, every damn time, no matter how fervently the party faithful pray; and stop the whole project right in its tracks. Maybe one day people will learn from history, though I think that that may be optimistic thinking upon my part, as so far, few have taken heed of any of the lessons to date.

So come on guys, who’s it going to be? Place yer bets, the odds are getting longer by the day . Or are we all wishing upon a dark horse, as yet unseen?

So come on Wishbone, whose your choice?

Schmegel’s money is on his precious. I think that means he’s banking on The 2nd Coming. Funny that, isn’t that fruit loop in Teheran, the Madnutjob with his head stuck down a well, also looking for his messiah. Anyway, wont we all be chipper if that one comes off. (No, not Nutjob’s). Though maybe not the Marxists, Atheists , Paganists, and the Arch Druid of Canterbury. Come to think of it, bonnie Prince Charlie might be a bit peeved too. And schmegel, if all your prayers can pull that one off, just to see the look on professor Dawkins and/or Ken Livingstone’s face will be worth all the sneers, smears and endless demonization which you have consistently indulged in through this and countless other discussions. Don’t you ever answer anybody’s questions without resorting to playground epithets? By the way wasn’t Tolkien’s character whose moniker you have chosen, the master of sly deception, and devious wiles, a wizened old. prune as I recall? Anyway, nice thought schmegel, but aren’t you leaving an awful lot to chance.

To all the other sneerers, answer this question; just who do you see out there that even shows a tiny degree of fortitude in the face of a very real danger. Or would you all rather go down to the slashing swords of Islam with your moral pieties unblemished. I doubt very much that your descendants will forgive you, though I guess in a few generations they will thankfully have forgotten all about you and your superior virtue.

People, we don’t need bunny huggers in this fight, we need stout bulldogs and strong independent frontiersmen, that some of those men may be rough and ready, may not sit well with your sensibilities, but you’d best get over it, because our options are running out, our adversary is very focused and totally committed to their cause, while we are in disarray. They are not swayed by argument, no combination of words, no matter how sweetly reasoned will divert their course. So while they advance, we stagnate. I am reminded of the ancient Greeks as the argued and bickered endlessly in the face of the advancing menace from the East, I just hope and pray that we will be so fortunate.

And no schmegel, as I have already told Wishbone, I am not a BNP supporter, they are after all socialists, not my favoured political philosophy; but our options are limited and given that pertinent fact, I would rather see decent and righteous people who do have legitimate concerns, involve themselves in real debate with the BNP and thereby moderate the tendencies of the extremists. Because truth be told, with this bunch of clowns in control, it will be but one disaster or maybe two, and the whole rotten mess will fall to the BNP to resolve, by default; because as I have said, who is out there….anybody?

Posted by: Just Another Richard at January 31, 2007 9:42 PM

"Schmegel's money is on his precious. I think that means he's banking on The 2nd Coming."

Assuming Schmegel is Jewish, I doubt he would be "banking on The 2nd Coming."

Politically speaking, the BNP is the only real party standing up to Islam right now. But tell me, 'Just Another Richard', this doesn't have anything to do with the "Bell Curve" does it?

You seem to have the way I write and even the exact phrases I use down pat. But it ain't me folks.

Posted by: Apache at January 31, 2007 10:07 PM

The Nazi-sympathizing "Ranting Nagy" slobbered:What was Hungary to do against Germany?

Um...fight like men?

The Wimpy Blowhammed simpered: "I know you think its funny rex but I do feel intimidated and bullied by sucidal left-wing nutcases like your self."

I guess the only group I could possibly be compared as "left-wing" against would be the BNP. But then you'd have to call the entire Catholic and Orthodox churches "left-wing" as well, since I echo their sentiments completely on the matter of Islam. And while I'm not suicidal, I guess deep down I'm a masochist for continuing a conversation with a nit-wite like yourself. But seriously, if you are going to feel "intimidated" anytime someone disagrees with you, maybe you should double-up on your meds there and stay off the internet.

And with that boys and girls, I'm outta hear for the night.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 10:24 PM

Me too.

Posted by: Apache at January 31, 2007 10:44 PM

Assuming Schmegel is Jewish, I doubt he would be "banking on The 2nd Coming." - Apache

Assuming your supposition is correct then that would be The 1st Coming then.

And I did note that the spelling of his screen name differs from Tolkien's character, so my assumption there may indeed be in error, if so, apologies.

But essentially the point is still the same.

I repeat the question, if you all wish for anybody but the BNP, then who or what will come ridding to the rescue? Answers please, 'cause it doesn't look like there is much activity out there. Yes, a Churchill would be nice, but I don't see one, and even if there was one, can you see the powers that be doing anything other than sabotaging his chances the moment he stood up.

Lets face it people, what will have to be done to resolve this problem, is not going to be nice, no matter which way we cut it. The soft approach won't work this time around. If things stay on this course we are headed to civil war, across much of Europe. Why do you think the authorities are suppressing all dissenting opinion...they might be morons, but they are not brain dead morons.

Apache, as to your last comment huh?

Posted by: Just Another Richard at January 31, 2007 11:33 PM

Hungarian Nazi wrote:
"Why would Hungarians fight against Germany...THEY WERE ALLIES FIGHTING THE SAME ENEMY IN THE FORM OF THE USSR...DO YOU COMPREHEND? They were right to be allies against the communist menace SO THERE WAS NO REASON TO FIGHT THEM! "

So, our friend, 'Hungarian Crusader', not only supports the Nazi's present-day ideological brethren (the BNP), but also supports the historical Nazis themselves.

I rest my case.

Posted by: schmegel at February 1, 2007 3:32 AM

To compare the BNP now to the German Nazi party in the 1920s and 1930s is just a cheap, point-scoring tactic.

They are both nationalistic parties, and the BNP indeed believes that there is a link between race and nation.

The multicultural doctrine sold to us by the liberal leftists tells us that race is independent of nation. If that is the case, why do the British-born descendants of immigrants have an affinity for their parents'/grandparents' countries and religions of origin? In the UK, we have the ridiculous situation where the children of immigrants are being taught their parents' languages at tax-payers' expense.

Being from a country does not mean that you are of it.

The reason that race and nation are linked (ok, there are exceptions - a notable one being the present-day USA, which is a nation of immigrants where white Europeans and Hispanics have displaced the original indigenous population) is because modern nations have evolved from small, racially-pure tribes. Traditions, culture and language in the nation are naturally those of the tribes from which it evolved. It may be a cliché, but "birds of a feather flock together".

This is human geography, not Nazism.

But the race/nation link does not preclude the possibility of immigration - nor should it. Immigrants who respect the nation's values are welcome - subject to there being sufficient land and resources to accommodate them. The UK has reached saturation point. The same is true of the Netherlands.

Anyway ...

The BNP does not have a private army of boot-boys who go around beating up opponents. The UK's media tries to suggest otherwise by linking it to violent, extremist groups (e.g. the National Front, Combat 18 and the White Nationalist Alliance). Violent suppression of the opposition was a key feature of the Nazi party. (Suicide bombings and fatal stabbings are the hallmark of radical Islam).

The BNP's chairman - Nick Griffin - is a married law graduate with four children who upholds traditional Christian values. Hitler was a childless loner who was awkward with women. (There are many Muslim leaders - the most violent being Bin Laden. He has over 50 children and several wives. And he upholds traditional Islamic murdering values).

The BNP - a legal political party - protests peacefully within the law. Hitler led a violent coup attempt in the 1923 Munich putsch. (Muslims call for those who insult Islam to be beheaded or annihilated. And they also like murdering the odd nun and burning down embassies).

The BNP does not seek world domination or Lebensraum or the extermination of particular races or groups. The Nazis are infamous for all of these. (Radical Muslims have similar ambitions to Hitler, although they are spreading insidiously in non-Muslim lands because we have let them in without even a fight).

FYI: before he died, John Tyndall was proscribed by the BNP.

Oh, and several BNP members are Jewish.

Posted by: watling at February 1, 2007 7:39 AM

Schmegel,

YOU HAVE NO CASE AND NO ARGUMENT!

You need to rest your brain and get some tutoring on comprehension improvement.

I see Schemgel is A COMMUNIST, an enemy the USA fought against nearly 55 years and we spent several trillion dollars for massive military budgets in rasising a defense.

Schemegel, the COMMUNIST, COMMISAR, AND POLITBURO MEMBER, thinks Europe has common cause with muslims, but you are not taking all of us down with you in your cause of jihadism.

Why do choose to be a COMMUNIST the ideology responsible for 22 million deaths under Stalin, roughly 36 million dead in China under your comrade Mas-Tse Tung, and another 2 million in Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge?

If you can not seperate politics from individuals than you are more immoral than the Taliban friends you keep.

General Patton weeks after WW 2 ended requested to use German units to start a war against the USSR while it was weak. General Patton KNEW the COMMUNISTS at that time were the real enemy, but he did not have enough support in Congress so he was quietly retired.

I guess SCHMEGEL still knows more than General Patton who had 4 years experience of global warfare and more knowledge of foreign affairs.

Hey TALIBAN LOVER, why dont you go sign up at your local madrassas and join the fight.

You obviously are more moral than anyone else here on the site.

FORGET THE NAZIS...THEY HAVE BEEN GONE FOR DECADES NOW. THE MUSLIMS ARE HERE AND NOW THE NEW THREAT TO WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

YOU POLITICALLY CORRECT IDEOLOGY PUSHING IDIOT!!

Posted by: Hungarian Crusader at February 1, 2007 9:38 AM

Wishbone this is the typical middle class reaction.

You meet one nice person and you think that represents an entire people.

You can go back to your middle class suburbs and meet other middle class people of any race and they will most likely be polite law abiding educated people.

Try walking through the virtual slums of bradford or oldham or the poorer parts of london.

You will see ethnic gangs who despise you and hurl insults at you. These gangs feel no loyalty to the country, state etc. And why would they? Our history is not there history. They are going to stick together in a sort of clan tribal mentality. Its what most of us did at some stage in our youth.

And when a global social movement calls to them thats linked to there own heritage, promising them status who do you think they will side with?

As usual it is the poorest people who have to bear the brunt of the middle class follies. We are guinea pigs in there grand social experiment so they can feel good about themselves.

Posted by: BlowHammed at February 1, 2007 9:56 AM

Richard-

Apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Late night, early start and all that.

Indeed, it does seem as if we've come full circle on this issue. Let me first address your question as to which "Knight in Shining Armour" could come riding to the rescue in our political situation.

I do admit to enjoying a chuckle at your assessment of Messrs Cameron, Blair and Brown, yet not with any sense of condescending disagreement; Rather, I believe that you have the measure of them and I treated myself to a little 'fix' of irony for that.

As to Farage and UKIP?. Well, the "European Union" question is indeed one of great importance, given that our complete lack of control over our borders, government and legislation within our own nation contributes in no small part to this mess we currently find ourselves in. I would agree that, in it's past, the party has done itself scant favour by its' seeming obsession over that single issue. Yet I do believe that they have made good progress with broadening their political scope. Their main problem in this area would seem that they have no national apparatus to disseminate their broader policies and, to my view, don't seem too interested in moving beyond their established seats to do so.

In short, if they don't promote themselves as a party that has an electable perspective on the broader issues beyond the "European Question", to a wider ranging prospective electorate, as it were, then they can't complain if people perceive them as merely a single issue party. Who's to know otherwise?.

I myself personally believe that withdrawal from the EU would be the first major step towards regaining our self governance and then restoring sanity to our nation by will of the home electorate. Yet as you know, it takes more than simply getting it right one one single issue to run a country and I do believe that they're getting there.

You say that UKIP are an "Awfully long shot to take a chance on". Even having said what I have, I couldn't agree more. Regardless of the fact that UKIP seem lately to be swelling their ranks with more and more of the Tory disaffected, not to say some notably prominent heavy hitters, UKIP still lacks that political provenance that is much needed to stand with credibility in the face of a national election and time is indeed running out.

As to the BNP question, I fully understand your point that "bunny huggers" need not apply when it eventually comes to the crunch. Yet it isn't only white, Christian Britons that will be in that particular blender when it does come and, my personal distaste for their stance on race aside, I don't think it will be helpful to dismiss the part that British, non-white non-Muslims will have to play in the events to come. As has been laboriously repeated here and elsewhere, Islam and Muslims do not constitute a race; It is a religion with a murderous ideology and its' followers that we have to face. When that battle comes, it would be sheer, practical idiocy to dismiss and marginalise a whole section of people, who have just as much at stake as we do, merely based on race as opposed to their ideology.

I understand that our options are indeed limited. Yet I would rather put my faith in the people of our nation, not a political party that seeks to distinguish the worth of one over another according to their philosophy and, therefore, create divisions amongst us that we can sorely do without in a crisis.

If the BNP are to swing the popular vote towards themselves on anything like the scale required to contest an election then they are going to have to drastically raise their credibility with the electorate. You are indeed correct that, to do so, decent and righteous people with legitimate concerns will have to engage them and reshape them to a much different standard than that which they presently offer. Given the work that will take, I'd give UKIP better odds all day long to that end, but the fact remains in either case: Time is running out.

I truly believe, Richard, that this country is heading for a veritable shitstorm and no matter what brand of politics professes to hold the solution, I'd much rather that the battle come down to one of ideology and not race. Until such time, if it ever does, that the BNP is completely revolutionised in its attitudes towards this issue are overhauled, then I don't believe that they hold the answer and I'll stand by that view.

Finally, as to which horse my money is on to save us from this mess?. In practical terms, whoever is carrying the can when this storm hits is going to find themselves in a world of trouble. The British people when faced with mass civil unrest may just make whoever that may be realise that they either have to "Get with the Programme" or move aside and let someone who 'can' do the job take over and get on with it and I'd much rather it not be socialists of any flavour.

What a whole, rotten mess this is.

Posted by: Wishbone at February 1, 2007 1:18 PM

BlowHammed-

I'm not entirely sure just what it is about me that gives you the impression that I am "Middle Class" and live in a "Middle Class Suburb" and am only privy to the acquaintance of "one, single, nice person of colour" with which to base my life experiences upon.

In my younger days I would have been insulted to be arbitrarily labelled as such, having always preferred to break my back and earn my crust with my social equals; Every one of us, to a man, "Base, common and popular!".

If you think I haven't seen muck and toil, my friend, then you didn't see the shithole that Liverpool was during the seventies and eighties. Thankfully we're regenerating at a damn good pace now, but that doesn't mean for one minute that we don't remember where we came from to get where we are today.

Remember: Scousers have 'very' long memories.

Posted by: Wishbone at February 1, 2007 1:41 PM

THE need of the time is an USA-Europe-Israeli-Indian axis to battle the cancer of Jihad becasue if not controlled now it will spread and spread and one day it may be too late.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 1, 2007 6:26 PM

THE need of the time is an USA-Europe-Israeli-Indian axis to battle the cancer of Jihad becasue if not controlled now it will spread and spread and one day it may be too late.

Posted by: Indiana_jones at February 1, 2007 6:29 PM

Wishbone

First of all, to Robert, Hugh and Marisol. I realize that once again we are veering off subject somewhat. My position is that whilst the Islamic threat is real, it is made manifestly more dangerous by our own incompetent political institutions in the West. As previously stated, I am not per say a BNP supporter, but I view their marginalisation as a folly too far. They have many legitimate positions, which the prevailing order, not only will not address, but are actively brushing under the carpet, thereby playing a very dangerous game. This political dysfunctionality has potential catastrophic consequences for us all. We must put our own house in order, lest we fall prey to our petty bickering and grant Islam a wholly unearned victory. Therefore, I beg your indulgence in the continuation of this dialogue. Thank you.

Hi Wishbone

Thanks for a well reasoned reply to my post. It seems so rare these days to get an honest debate on the net, as everyone seems to be shouting across each other. Though I must be honest and say, that we appear to agree on far more than at first meets the eye, which of course is always helpful, as that in itself tends to keep the tone civil. It is obvious that one of our main points of agreement is the EU and its dead hand of inertia, to take the least damning view, for we will not truly be free to act in our own best interests until that grand social experiment lays rotting in the dusts of rejection.

Wishbone, I don't disagree with your contention that to make the whole issue about whiteness, to the exclusion of all others is not only wrong, but extremely short sighted. There are indeed many useful allies in this fight who don't fit the preconceived mold of the BNP, but I do wonder just how much of that view is perception and how much is based on actual facts. I have seen several indicators that the BNP are talking with other groups. Now if this is true, then that would indicate a possible trend away from the party's more radical roots, and one which is conducive to the active participation of the more general population. The evolution of the BNP is a work in progress, far better to be an active force in that evolution than a passive spectator, or worse a venomous spur, goading intolerant reaction. No party is free of its oddballs, hell, look what managed to get itself elevated to the position of deputy Prime Minister for NuLabour, hardly the knight in shinning armour we've all cast our eyes to the horizons for.

I think what enervates me in the defense of the BNP, is not so much that I could support them, though if push comes to shove that may not be a matter of choice, but it is the way that the party is demonized in the media, and in general discussions, where they are beyond the pale; where facts and reality are points of no bearing, but presumed intention is everything, and the more that presumption can be stirred to appear to have two horns and a spiked tail, the better. It is the overwhelming need to get rid of those forces which are driving this demonization for their own ends, for they are the ones who will gladly sell us into bondage, and are in fact , actively doing so as we speak, though I doubt that they would view themselves in that light. They are after all virtuous and good people. So long as political correctness holds sway, we are in danger.

There will come a time when events and the consequent emotions that flow from them, will force things to a head. That is the greatest danger I see, for then people will, in desperation turn to whoever holds out the best hope to deal with the bloody mess, and from my perspective, that will not be one of the main political parties, for they are all as useless as each other, and what's more, in denial as to the present danger. What happens when the people turn and say, this lot are no good, lets vote for the only ones who have consistently talked about this very issue. If the powers that be, having invested so much in their efforts to demonize the BNP, and then themselves are found to be not only lacking in the required fortitude department, but complicit in much of the coming chaos, then the people will turn to extremes. Hence the reason for my posting that long quote from Hannah Arendt the other day. It really doesn't take much to swing the whole political apparatus into a stampede to the extremes.

Now consider, if the BNP have been marginalized by endless sneers and innuendos, ignored by much of the mainstream, what do you think are the chances of them being totally radical and bitterly intolerant by the time fate and events turn to them for an answer, pretty high I would guess. That is why I think it better to brush aside this PC nonsense and engage the arguments, and so bring a degree of moderation to the debate, for this endless demonization, together with the obvious failings of the ruling elite are driving this whole issue to the extremes, which is not good for the nation as a whole, nor people as individuals and communities, no matter which extreme gains ascendancy. Convince the people by their reason, and they will follow from the only logical reason that rational people will allow themselves to be led, that their own best interests are the subject of those who govern them, and NOT party ideology as the motivating factor behind all party actions, as with our nearest and dearest weasels now in control of NuLabour, with their obvious latent agenda. Indeed, it is party factionalism which has undermined the democratic process in the West. Already the political elite fool themselves that they are riding on a mandate, when in reality, their voter base is not only small, but not even very stable, for more people did not vote at all than voted for Saint Tone and his merry men. Great events awake slumbering giants. Our friends from the religion of peace, in their totally predictable reckless manner are likely to disturb those slumbering, and we will then see a stampede to the extremes, just who do we wish to see standing there waiting, a Winston or an Adolph? Or even worse, a TB clone.

Wishbone I do understand your reservations regarding the BNP, I just don’t think that you have the time or the necessary institutions available to you to grant you the luxury of being all that choosey right now.

From the Islamic perspective the beauty of the prevailing Western philosophy is that the left has effectively knocked down almost all the old order which formed the backbone and culture of the West. In case anybody has failed to see the obvious, we are alone, we are individuals who have been totally atomized. Where before we had our associations and in