The Bush Plan:

"The idea is to build the legitimate security forces, to help provide law and order in Gaza and the West Bank, fight terror, and to facilitate movement and access especially in Gaza," said national security spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

The Outcome:

Posted by: Ynkedoodl2 at January 31, 2007 12:36 PM

Okay...now I am completely convinced that George is not simply lacking enough intelligence to run this country....he is becoming a complete dunce. What on earth is he thinking? Maybe he's not doing the thinking. WHO is pulling the strings here? WHO stands to gain something here?

Someone help me make sense of this. Remember, EVERYTHING that happens politically, if you uncover it and get to the naked truth....it's ALWAYS about money.

With that in mind.....any theories?

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:38 PM

Okay...now I am completely convinced that George is not simply lacking enough intelligence to run this country....he is becoming a complete dunce. What on earth is he thinking? Maybe he's not doing the thinking. WHO is pulling the strings here? WHO stands to gain something here?

Someone help me make sense of this. Remember, EVERYTHING that happens politically, if you uncover it and get to the naked truth....it's ALWAYS about money.

With that in mind.....any theories?

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:38 PM

Now Goobs, let's not venture into conspiracyville New World Order bulls*** here. That's Alex Jones' territory. Gaza and the West Bank does not have any oil (in fact it has nothing, it's a bloody wasteland) so what good is it to say this is for 'money'. No, Bush is just an utter idiot and believes Mahmoud to be a moderate muslim, unlike Hamas. I know it's scary to think we have a complete incompetent Administration in the White House but the alternative explanation is pretty close to conspiracyville.

Only God knows what goes on inside that man's head.

Posted by: wrathofasma at January 31, 2007 12:43 PM

The Goobs

The Arabians...??? perhaps??? and their evil sellouts who have snuck into the Republican party like "Grover the Good" and "Shotgun boy".

OR

G.W. read the Quran that CAIR gave him.

He feels subdued and is paying the Jizya with willing submission!

:)

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 12:46 PM

wrathofasma

You are right about Georgie but can you say the same about Cheney and his "group". They influence Georgie and we all know Georgie will eat anything they tell him...

Dance Dhimmi! Dance Dhimmi!

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 12:49 PM

Someone help me make sense of this. Remember, EVERYTHING that happens politically, if you uncover it and get to the naked truth....it's ALWAYS about money.

With that in mind.....any theories?

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:38 PM

I think Washington's filled with so many Israel bashers that they probably hope the palestinians will simply overrun Israel and get rid of a headache for them, bringing "peace in our time". The fact that a lot of people in Washington take oil money helps the process along nicely-most politicians will sell out their own mothers if it meant keeping power. Other than this I can't think of any reason why the US constantly stabs its ally in the back like this-it reminds me of how Pakistan treats its US ally. The US sure has a rotten record lately for picking "allies"-palestinians,Pakistanis,Saudis-none of whom are worth two cents as far as I'm concerned. The US will rue the day it helped bury Israel if Israel does indeed go under.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 12:50 PM

I think the best way of putting it is, the world has been turned upside down. Has the Pres ever seen the palestinian police training videos? Militants er police jumping through rings of fire, police with pieces of brush stuck in their uniforms among other bizarre and very un police like behavior. This is blood money, nothing more. Bush once said, roughly, remember when we were kids during the 50s and 60s, we felt safe, we had the oceans to protect us from our enemies. I always thought, WTF was he living, did he not know about the intercontinental ballistic missiles of the USSR?
Meanwhile we may need our police to clean up the fbi [.?.]
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/01/religion_of_pea_1.html

Posted by: tgusa at January 31, 2007 12:51 PM

wrathofasma, I'm not talking NWO here. What has become more clear over the years is that political aims are generally motivated by money.

The sudan is ignored because China and Pakistan have huge oil deals there and since China is on the security council, sanctions won't happen. This is just one example of how politics can cover the real motivation of money and power.

Since I continue to believe that political measures have an underlying motivation....then since Gaza has no oil....there must be something much more important strategically.

Perhaps the goal is to settle the area in order to secure bigger gains in the region.

It's also apparent that Russia is building a base on a Syrian port and that Russia supplies Syria and Iran with weapons. Then you have Iran...which has huge investments of Russia and China. China just signed a MEGA deal for oil and gas with Iran.

Should we ignore these things and blindly believe that our idiot politicians are acting merely on beliefs? I don't believe that they are THAT stupid and I don't believe that they are making the decisions on their own.

Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Seems people only respond this way and poo poo something more sinister when they are happy to only look at the surface of issues.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:51 PM

The US sure has a rotten record lately for picking "allies"-palestinians,Pakistanis,Saudis-none of whom are worth two cents as far as I'm concerned. The US will rue the day it helped bury Israel if Israel does indeed go under.

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS

Yeah. Ever notice that our allies are the enemies of Russian and Chinese allies? A major war by proxy I think and all for the sake of money and power.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:54 PM

"US officials said the aid, described as non-lethal assistance including training, vehicles and uniforms"

.....A recent raid into the compound in Iraq during which 4 American soldiers were kidnapped and subsequently executed was carried out by terrorists wearing "American style uniforms, driving American like vehicles, and obviously had the coordination of a well trained unit!"

hmmmmmmmm....

"The Bush Plan:

"The idea is to build the legitimate security forces, to help provide law and order in Gaza and the West Bank, fight terror, and to facilitate movement and access especially in Gaza," said national security spokesman Gordon Johndroe.

......How about the idea of not funding or arming the terrorists and actively seeking ways to destroy and eliminate the various terrorist groups that continue to fire bullets, place mines, and to continue to fire rockets into Israel.....OH, and Israel is just as stupid, Israel, too, gave millions to the Palistinians...

Just who sides with whom?

Islam is a mental disorder..

Failure to fight Islam is a mental disorder...

JEEEEZZz.

Posted by: exsgtbrown at January 31, 2007 12:54 PM

"The idea is to build the legitimate security forces"

There are no legitimate security forces!
Another Bush surge?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 31, 2007 12:54 PM

"The idea is to build the legitimate security forces"

Start with a security FENCE around Israel AND on our borders!

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:59 PM

Hey guys after seeing this ridiculous statement and event that follows, we can surely say the world has indeed gone insane.

Simply amazing, now you guys can finally see what it looks like to Greeks like myself, that every time we look around the US is sinking a shit load of money into Turkey to bolster her military might. Or makes a public statement wanting Turkey's admission into the EU, makes no sense there either, but it happens all the time.

The west is full of stupidity, and unfortunately its over loaded with it at the top echelon. Good luck to all of us, this is a long slow and painful death we are experiencing.

Niv

Posted by: The fanatic at January 31, 2007 12:59 PM

Give them money so they can save their own money for weapons.

There goes our social security fund. An even bigger hole.

I guess they'll have to bring in MORE immigrants to try to fill it up.

Posted by: Borg at January 31, 2007 1:01 PM

Oh bloody hell, why didn't he just skip the middle man and send the money directly to Islamic Jihad and the personal Swiss bank accounts of Fatah leaders? It's where the money goes anyways.

What fantasy world is Bush and his State Department living in that he believes that Fatah is going to cease it's terror attacks via Islamic Jihad or agree to a permanent truce in exchange for any or all of the West Bank?

Fatah is more "moderate" than Hamas only in the sense that they have better PR. Both share the same goals and use the same means to try and achieve them, yet we give money and weapons to Fatah simply because they're better liars.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2007 1:01 PM

"The idea is to build the legitimate security forces, to help provide law and order in Gaza and the West Bank...."

Does the US really believe that putting murderers
in uniforms is going to bring about law and order?
One might as well appoint Charlie Manson as head of the FBI to control crime in the US!

All this faith being placed in Abbas and his fellow criminals is beyond absurd-it's criminally irresponsible. Criminals do not stop fellow criminals from committing crimes-they just make it easier for them to do so and will often join in. How difficult is that to comprehend?

Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS at January 31, 2007 1:03 PM

Posted by: tgusa

"Bush once said, roughly, remember when we were kids during the 50s and 60s, we felt safe, we had the oceans to protect us from our enemies. I always thought, WTF was he living, did he not know about the intercontinental ballistic missiles of the USSR?"

Those were "weed" years. G.W. is a great example of why you should not use drugs. Important life lessons are forgotten in a haze...

Not to worry he found "faith" and wants to love all men of "faith"....

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 1:03 PM

Perhaps in their mind, getting control of Gaza would further isolate Syria (Russia). It seems that our plan was to gain control of Afghanistan and then Iraq....next would be Iran. Perhaps this was a favor to Saudi Arabia - who are probably pretty worried about their 'kingdom'. We supplied Bin Laden against Russia in Afghanistan. Russia is probably only too happy to return the favor to Iran and Syria.

I think the powers that be stired a hornet's nest when they decided to re-invent the ME. Let's be real. If there was not oil to be had...we would not bother with that armpit of the world.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 1:06 PM

Posted by: Hollowpoint

"Fatah is more "moderate" than Hamas only in the sense that they have better PR."

See what a suit and tie can do for you.

:)

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 1:08 PM

Not to worry he found "faith" and wants to love all men of "faith"....

Posted by: greatcometof1577

Yeah...seems to be a recurrent theme of those in power today. Like Prince Charles who, upon becoming the King and head of the Church of England, vows to "defend FAITH".......rather than "defend THE Faith".

Not everyone that smoked weed lived in a haze. Maybe it depends on how many brain cells you have to begin with...........

.....or whether you inhale.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 1:09 PM

I don't see why all the surprise. The US has been supporting Saudi Arabia economically and militarily for over a decade since the first Gulf War. Is Saudi Arabia a "friend of Israel"? Not quite. Up till very recently the Saudi's would not allow you in their country if you had an Israeli entrance visa stamped in your passport.

At the end of the day, Israel is only an ally insofar as it benefits Israel. It is not in the interest to the US the let Israel dictate US middle East policy anymore.

Posted by: Qualis Rex at January 31, 2007 1:10 PM

you people do understand - that the Govs have gone out of control don't ya!?

The govs are NOT operating under the "for the people" any more.

The U.S. troops have been in Israel for a couple of years - very quietly, very sneakily - few Americans know this. Our U.S. troops are fighting the Palestinians - and if any of our kids are dying there - it's being kept quiet - even by the general news media.

SO! Then. Is the U.S. government working with the Jews in Israel?

Or is the U.S. gov. working with the islamics?

It's both ends against the middle.

Posted by: allat at January 31, 2007 1:11 PM

I think there are about 3-4 million Pals. Of those, 3-3 1/2 million work in the security forces. There are from 500-50000 different security forces (Ahmeds Peoples Patrol and Daycare, Muhammeds Marauders, Allahs Assasins, Islamic Army of Darkness, etc, etc, etc...).

So with this many security folks, apparatuses, etc, just who the hell are they securing?

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at January 31, 2007 1:12 PM

It is not in the interest to the US the let Israel dictate US middle East policy anymore.

Posted by: Qualis Rex

It's not in the interest of WHO in the US? Big oil? Corporations? Lobbyists? Who please.

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 1:12 PM

tgusa - You and I are thinking alike. When you say:
Has the Pres ever seen the palestinian police training videos? Militants er police jumping through rings of fire, police with pieces of brush stuck in their uniforms among other bizarre and very un police like behavior.

It reminds me of the Iranian Policewomen graduation ceremony:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOBLSmiSDFQ

I showed that clip to my wife. She said, "That's just stupid."
I said, "They're serious."

Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses at January 31, 2007 1:12 PM

The govs are NOT operating under the "for the people" any more. posted by Allat

Agreed....and if you're sick of it....check this out.

http://www.aipca.org/platform.html

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 1:16 PM

"Not everyone that smoked weed lived in a haze. Maybe it depends on how many brain cells you have to begin with................or whether you inhale."

Posted by: The Goobs

How true...maybe Barbara drop him on his head when he was little..

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at January 31, 2007 1:19 PM

Yeah, Thanks.

And may I remind you that, it's come to the point that now it's become US GOV w/all their high tech vs. THE PEOPLE

We've become to informed - too uppity, so in order to keep the upper hand - the control over us - i.e. the control over our energy output (across the board - ) the u.s. gov - initiated this - it's been ongoing for a couple of yrs now -

WE'VE BEEN WARNED! :

Bloggers Beware (be aware)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm

Posted by: allat at January 31, 2007 1:48 PM

Bush's execution of the war on jihad has been doomed from the beginning. He can't even name the enemy. What do you expect from a simple man who does not read books? The taxpayers and our children will suffer for his stupidity.

Posted by: John Sobieski at January 31, 2007 1:51 PM

The absolutely best line is:
"US officials said the aid . . . would help Abbas counter militant attacks on Israel like Monday's suicide bombing in the Red Sea resort of Eilat which killed three Israelis plus the bomber."

The attack in Eilat was executed by the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade - Fatah's militia/terrorist wing. So by training Fatah, we'll be helping Fatah be strong enough to stop Fatah from attacking Israel???

Posted by: Ansar Al-Kuffir at January 31, 2007 1:55 PM

The attack in Eilat was executed by the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade - Fatah's militia/terrorist wing. So by training Fatah, we'll be helping Fatah be strong enough to stop Fatah from attacking Israel???

Posted by: Ansar Al-Kuffir

Sickening isn't it. The hypocrisy. I hope people are pulling their heads out of the sand.

Something IS up and as Allat said....Bloggers Beware (be aware)

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 2:04 PM

This is a product of our arabist-infested State Dept. However, it doesn't help that the Israelis themselves treat abbas as if he were, what's that catch phrase?, their "partner in peace."

This is exactly why I enjoy watching the far more savage (and more honest) hamas 'true-believers' anhiliate the pedestrian fatah liars, thieves, and bullies. Because, ultimately, it is to Israel's advantage, whether they want to believe it or not. Both the Israelis and the U S State Dept arabist whores have a more difficult time rationalizing playing let's-make-a-deal with hamas.

Posted by: Infidel33 at January 31, 2007 2:11 PM

and if you can believe the government accounting office, tens of millions of american tax dollars pouring into iraq have disappeared into thin air; as well as large amounts of advanced weapons.

also, according to the gao, several of the highest ranking members of the iraq government who were appointed to their offices by the us government, are also on the iranian payroll.

clearly, someone should call for an investigation and find out if these gao allegations are true.

if there is some substance, there should be an impeachment!

Posted by: witness at January 31, 2007 2:17 PM

I am not really familiar with conspiracy theories, but is "The New World Order" just a dream?
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/war/bushsr.htm

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 31, 2007 2:42 PM

And before anyone comments....
No, I do not think 9-11 was an inside job.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at January 31, 2007 2:44 PM

There's nothing new in Bush's outreach to Abbas. It's the same policy we've had for decades with the Middle East. The fact that it produces only disaster is lost on our leadership. They continue to do the same things over and over again, always expecting a different result. Diagnosis: insanity.

We've been picking sides between Muslim groups since FDR. We had Iran and Saudi Arabia, the Russians had Iraq, Syria and Egypt. Of course after the Iranian revolution we were told the Shiites were the extremists while our friends, the Saudis, were the moderates. THEN we got 9/11.

We think our leaders have gone crazy, but maybe the Palestinians are just better at pulling our strings than we give them credit for.

Look at Bush's history. After Arafat rejected the Israeli peace overtures, Bush took the US out of the "peace process". We saw Palestinians in the West Bank cheer the 9/11 attacks. You'd think the Hamas victory would prove to Bush that the US has no partners in Palestine, but all it did was make Abbas look moderate. Suddenly, Abbas and the PA are the lesser of two evils and they become our "ally". Despite all our bluster and the "hard sanctions" against Hamas, we are all ready to shower money on the PA yet again. It's almost like the Hamas victory gave Abbas a credibility he wouldn't have had otherwise. Now he's a statesman. And we all know how American leaders love statesmen. We say that the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity and the Hamas victory seemed to continue the pattern, but the result has been beneficial to Palestine. All they had to do was bite their tongue while the US made a show of refusing to deal with terrorism and "punishing" the people who voted in terrorists.
Bush's original stance on Palestine was the anomaly. Now he's just brought US policy back to business as usual.

Posted by: PMK at January 31, 2007 2:46 PM

I MUST tell you to be very, very careful - because they - "they" have ways of sending viruses - I'm very convinced "they" are the ones originating and proliferating these viruses. - JUST like they do in biological labs (such as the unearthing (literally) & re-introduction of the Spanish Flu in the 21st Cent.

TO KEEP THE GREAT UNWASHED under control! And that is exactly the way "they" - think of us: "Peasants and nobility.

Of course, ALL world govs are in cahoots with the religious clerics - that every time the populace of any culture settle down and live side by side - the clerics stir them up like a stick stirring up the hornet's nest.

Posted by: allat at January 31, 2007 4:03 PM

The road to Hell is paved with wishful thinking.

Posted by: scaramouoche at January 31, 2007 4:34 PM

I have thought about what they are doing for a long time. The fact that some are wondering if they are working with the Israelis the islamists, both? That says to me that many of them(the pols) are, to be extremely kind, simply not very bright. But, people voted for these reps somewhere, inexplicably. Think of what you must do to be in politics, you have to have a relatively clean background or hide what you don’t want people to know. No one goes through life w/o making mistakes, so it is likely that they have made mistakes but others have been held accountable for their mistakes. The end result is you get a number of people who are experts at passing the buck, always looking for someone else to take the blame for anything they do. Years ago they called that flawed character but I’m sure they have a new more inclusive description for it now.

Bloggers beware,
I wouldn’t worry too much about that, I trust our military more than these pols and I agree that they should be fighting on the net, the enemy is online. If you are concerned about free speech, we Americans think of that as one of our fundamental rights, ask any American and they will tell you no one tells me what to say or when to say it. We may censor ourselves occasionally (wrongly) but don’t anyone try and censor us themselves.

Posted by: tgusa at January 31, 2007 5:45 PM

The US State Department is out of control!!!!!!

And (good grief!) are these people working over there uninformed. And, so for that matter must Bush be,too if he lets THIS go on.

The personnel at the US State Department probably STILL believe that appeasing Muslims will produce results including peace. Boy, do they need an updating of their educations (which probably date mostly from before 1980).

We all know at this blog appeasing Muslim blackmailers does nothing but result in accelerating violence and more blackmail. It really is too bad the Leaders of the Free World STILL have this lethal blind spot...

Posted by: pythagoras at January 31, 2007 7:04 PM

A lot of the 'troops' at the State Dept. come out of liberal institutes like GWU's foreign service factory. That's the same university that hosts that uberdhimmi and treasonous John Esposito at his madrassa whorehouse also known as one of those Muslim-Christian 'dialogue' and 'understanding' institutes. The Arabs they have been real smart. The very institutes that produce the elite state dept. troops have been poisoned. Everybody coming out of there has been brainwashed - America evil, Muslim good. Shake your head indeed. Those Muslims, with all their oil money, have been buying up politicians, companies and institutes that are important to educating our society for this long war. Blend that with political correctness and multiculturalism, and you have a deadly brew. Smart, huh?

Posted by: John Sobieski at January 31, 2007 9:19 PM

I sometimes wonder , infact wonder a lot why American are so eager to spend their money for the betterment of their enemies

Posted by: Birbhadra at January 31, 2007 9:51 PM

Let's see, is this extortion or blackmail ? Where's the roadmap to peace ? Next year, it'll be another threat for more money, what a living ?

Posted by: Jeff at January 31, 2007 10:04 PM

The ideal of the U.N. is what may be driving this. It fits with their charter, and we must understand how much the U.N. plays in the actions taken, or what action are not taken in these issues. The U.N. pressure can halt actions, stop wars (such as Israel last summer), as well as halt our attack on Iran in the future.

This new world of the 21st century is not as simple as it used to be.

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at February 1, 2007 1:07 AM

Okay...now I am completely convinced that George is not simply lacking enough intelligence to run this country....he is becoming a complete dunce. What on earth is he thinking? Maybe he's not doing the thinking. WHO is pulling the strings here? WHO stands to gain something here?

Someone help me make sense of this. Remember, EVERYTHING that happens politically, if you uncover it and get to the naked truth....it's ALWAYS about money.

With that in mind.....any theories?

Posted by: The Goobs at January 31, 2007 12:38 PM

Goobs:

Isn't this pretty much what James Baker III has been advocating as US ME policy... ...fixing Israel/Palestine by supporting Abbas?

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 1, 2007 7:59 AM

and, of course the pot of gold at the end of Baker III's rainbow is Saudi.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at February 1, 2007 8:00 AM

A lot of the 'troops' at the State Dept. come out of liberal institutes like GWU's foreign service factory. That's the same university that hosts that uberdhimmi and treasonous John Esposito at his madrassa whorehouse...

Actually, John Sobieski, the egregious Prof. Esposito is at Georgetown, the disloyal Jesuit school with the basketball team, not George Washington University, of which I know little but would imagine is a similarly awful institution.

Posted by: Alarmed Pig Farmer at February 1, 2007 11:10 AM

Everyone here needs to call the White House and their representatives in the Senate and Congress and urge them to pass legislation blocking US colleges, universities and all other learning institutions from receiving ANY more funding from nations that are known to be hostile to the US and the western democracies.

That should stop most of this, although much damage has been done already as we can see!

Posted by: pythagoras at February 1, 2007 3:20 PM

That arming the "Palestinians" to police themselves has been tried over and offer again. The arms have always been used against Israel.

The inability to be flexible, to adapt as the situation requires, is a sign of lack of intelligence. Bush has been stuck in the same two ruts as regards Iraq and the "two-state solution" for Israel and the Arabs on its territories.

Condoleeza Rice, despite her much-vaunted intelligence, exhibits the same characteristics as her boss. Both appear bewildered, unable to comprehend what is happening. Doesn't make for much confidence in our leadership.

Unfortunately, the other party doesn't have much to offer in that department either.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 3, 2007 6:48 PM